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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Rhode Island & South Carolina
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The tales told on this episode, from Rhode Island & South Carolina are as horrific as they come, and absolutely nightmare evoking
TRIGGER WARNING (3.31 - 7.36) Tonight's episode contains stories that involve children. Please listen with care, and take the time to listen to the entire trigger warning, time stamped above.
Rhode Island - Faith is telling two stories being told from this state.
(7.45 - 32.28) Christine Cole is a beautiful 10 year old little girl from Pawtucket and her short life is important, heartbreaking and told here.
(34.10 - 1.09.54) Michelle Norris from Central Falls is another beautiful little 7 year old we will be talking about and also semi-looking at her brave friend Tammy, whose life was equally as tragic
South Carolina (1.09.54 - 1.53.19) Lisa is taking us on a predator list recently released from this state and talking around that
BONUS! Real Life Story (1.53.20 - 2.13.10) Faith shares a real life story from when she was a child, just to show the inner mindset and conversations to have
Guys I know this was a horrific list, but we appreciate you taking the time. If you have any stories of your own, or just need someone to talk to, please reach out at twistedtalestruecrime@gmail.com
We will be posting photos, resources and articles throughout the week pertaining to these stories:
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Transcript
Introduction and Personal Updates
00:00:05
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Well hello and thank you for tuning in to another episode of Twisted Tales. This is Faith. This is Lisa. And we are coming to you with the um just winding down here in the
00:00:20
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summer road trip, which has lasted a lot longer than we thought it would through the United States of America. Yeah. Chaos Chronicles continue in my life. The Chaos Chronicles. That is 100%. They just kind of keep on keeping on. And it's been my fault. We've not been dropping the way that we should. Dude, it is both of our faults. Yeah. I mean, I'm texting you
Rhode Island Facts and Crime Cases
00:00:38
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today. Hey, you want to record tomorrow? Because my life sucks. Yeah. At work. All right. Well, you ready to rock, paper, scissor it? I mean, I guess. Yeah. All right. Rock, paper, scissor, shoot. Rock, paper, scissor, shoot.
00:00:50
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Rock, paper, scissors, shoot! Rock, paper, scissors, shoot! Dang it! Aha! Alright, well that's fine. That's fine. I don't think it is fine, but I won. For once. That's two weeks in a row. Faith's been mocking me since she got to my house. How much I'm gonna hate this. Oh yeah, this episode's cool. And so, you know, just little teasers to piss me off before I'm pissed off, so...
00:01:16
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I'm going to I'm just going to not speak tonight. I think just to prove her wrong that I can control my emotions. That's a lie. That can't happen. No, it's not. So this is Fay and I am in Rhode Island, which, you know, a lot of fun facts about Rhode Island. It's the smallest state in the United States of America. It was only started because some shmoo in Massachusetts wanted to do his own religion.
00:01:42
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Not his own religion, like it's a, it was, I believe it was the first Baptist church and he was told, no, they kicked him out of the state of Massachusetts. So he formed Rhode Island. It's crazy because I thought the only reason that we all left great, like Britain, that whole era was for freedom of religion. That's crazy. They left for freedom of religion that they chose at that time, not all right. The Salem witch trials. So I was just going to say, correct. Um, yes. Freedom of religion is very subjective, but.
00:02:10
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It was also the first state in the United States to abolish slavery. Lots of fun facts. I want to say, first of all, I did the wrong state research, so I had to go back to Rhode Island. Rhode Island, you are a tiny state. Man, do you have a big bang. They keep talking. Everything I listened to was like, oh, the crime rate's so much lower, blah, blah, blah.
00:02:36
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less people, less, it's less surface space. Good Lord. You know how usually I can find like one or two good cases. I have a hard time deciding between, there were 10 good, not, not just cases, good cases. And they all fell like they're all brutal murders and they all fell between 1977 to 1991. All that timeframe.
00:03:00
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Well, half of them were in 1988. Any relation to any of them at all? No, no. OK, so no, it was like a one off. It was crazy. Well, I don't know what they're feeding people in Rhode Island, but it was serious. So anyway, same thing. They've been feeding everybody else. That's why we can go on and find a crazy Florida man, crazy Louisiana people. Yeah, exactly. And then we get to certain states and they're like weirdest laws, which is still a joke to me.
00:03:27
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Yep. Anyways. All right. Go ahead. All right. So first of all, I want to say I typically do not do any type of trigger warning because this is a true crime podcast. Therefore, it's death, maiming, dismemberment, rape, any kind of true crime. It's here. You know what you're listening to. Do you want to give a caveat for tonight? I will have time stamps in the show notes.
00:03:54
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I will tell you before I start the true crime, the story of tonight, but if you'll listen to the whole of Trigger Warning, I'd appreciate it even if you decide to skip Rhode Island. So Trigger Warning. Tonight's episode involves children. And that is Lisa's. Lisa's already glaring at me. So Lisa does not do children. It's her least favorite.
00:04:19
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Let's just be frank, who likes to hear about a child being hurt, abused, physically, mentally, sexually, none of us. However, that being said, we don't talk about it because it makes us uncomfortable. So just going to say that it's just like our very first episode we did of Christian Newsome.
00:04:38
Speaker
Shannon Christensen and Nick Newsom. Chris Newsom. That's a Nick again. I always say Nick. So in that episode, you know, there was so much public publicizing of that, that murder here locally in Knoxville, Tennessee. And they went on and on about Shannon. And in that episode, Ivan said, like, it pissed me not not that she didn't deserve it. She did. But it pissed me off that Chris Newsom was treated like a footnote.
00:05:08
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Like it wasn't they didn't they didn't describe what happened. They did. OK, hold on.
00:05:13
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It was it was it was it was bypassed because of the extreme that happened to ship. He had extreme murders were extreme. Exactly. Both murders were extreme. But it's socially acceptable, quote unquote, socially acceptable. It's different listening to it happen to a woman than a man. And same thing is people do not like to hear about children. I'm I can just be honest. I don't like the research children. I dropped this several times. I actually had to
00:05:40
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Get a few names and dates like literally right before this. I have a child and I understand that children cases are triggering for a lot of people. But you know what though? The awareness needs to be out there too. Like you can't just hide under a rock like it's not happening.
00:05:55
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If you can't listen to it because it's too big of a trigger for you, I 100% understand. I 100% hate whatever happened to you or a loved one praying for you. I hope it gets better. Shoot us an email. Shoot us a whatever. We're here for you. We'll try to get you resources locally. If you can listen to a case about a child, I encourage you to listen to it.
00:06:19
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to Rhode Island, the stories I'm about to tell. And I encourage you even more so every time you're uncomfortable and for the next week or however long this case lingers in your mind. When you feel uncomfortable, look for ways to help locally. Look for petition your legislators, the people in your state's government that make the laws to change the laws to protect our kids. That's why I feel like even though this is horrific and I will have to take a lot of mental health days after this case,
00:06:49
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I will do children's cases because I want you to be uncomfortable and I want you to push for change. So that being said, I'm going to take my opportunity to go ahead and tell you I'm not going to listen tonight because after that spiel, I don't think I do. You're literally telling other people to walk away while you have to glue me to my chair. And I have to listen to this. I said, if they have passed, you don't have. I know your history, lady.
00:07:18
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You don't have, it's gonna upset you greatly. Oh my sweet, sweet friend. You're probably, I will be the next episode of The Truth when Lisa hits Tennessee. It's gonna be my murder. It won't be about me. I won't be telling the story anymore. It's going to be my murder. Yeah, it's gonna be Fox and NBC. Yeah, so anyway, let's get into it.
Christine Cole Case
00:07:36
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to actually have two cases for you to discuss tonight, both in Rhode Island. So let's just jump to it. First, I want to tell you about a little girl. Her name was Christine Cole. She was born in 1978 to Margie, who was only 17 years old when she gave birth to Christine. And her father was not in the picture. They never mentioned her father. I've got my own assumptions, but well, let's see what you think.
00:08:06
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Margie the mother had an extremely rough life. She was raised by her single father after her mother had left them years before. They were extremely poor. Her father actually placed Margie in an asylum for the mentally ill at one point. Even though he was more than likely the reason that she had emotional, not mental illness, but had emotional issues,
00:08:32
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because he repeatedly and continuously raped her throughout her entire childhood. Christine, what year was this? I'm sorry. This Christine was born in 1978. So this was prior. This was OK. Early to mid 70s. So before everything. Yeah. So Chris and that that's the story of this girl's mom.
00:08:55
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So we'll end it there. Christine carried on the generational poverty that she grew up in. She grew up in a project or slum of, and I'm gonna butcher some of these names, the cities, we all know it. Let's just grin and bear it. Pawtucket, Rhode Island. As Christine's mother was very young, the family did rally around to help her with the baby. Both her boyfriend and her father doted on the baby girl.
00:09:23
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And Margie's brother and his wife became almost like second parents to Christine. She'd literally spend like four nights a week with them while her mother was trying to work just to make ends meet. So she let her father stay in the picture. Yep. Okay. All right. Fine. I'm just going to, I saw the face. Yep.
00:09:43
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So at one point while Christine's growing up, her mother is, and there's not a lot of information that I could find on the mother in some of these situations, so I apologize, but it's not the main point of story. But at one point, Christine's mother, while they were growing up, escaped her relationship and moved into a shelter for like abused women, homeless women, and left Christine in the care of a friend.
00:10:07
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don't know what the situation is don't know what she was running from why she left Christine with whom she left Christine why she didn't leave the little girl with her brother and his wife who was helping raise that would seem like the most logical
00:10:20
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Well, you never know in that in that circumstance, whether or not they want it or not. Yeah, but they kept her four days a week. So at what point at what? I mean, it's three more days. You really, really never know. Yeah. But we're not sure what happened, but we do. What we do know is that the friend that took Christine in was unable to take care of the little girl as she needed. And the state eventually stepped in to do a wellness visit for whatever reason and took custody of the little girl and she became a ward of the state. So at some point somebody made a complaint.
00:10:48
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is the only way that you can logically- Against this caretaker. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Yes. So when Margie left the shelter, she wanted her daughter back. Obviously, she's trying to get her life together. Her father stepped in to help her regain custody of her child. Yes, the same father that raped Margie all growing up. Why? In God's name, you'd let that man near your daughter. I don't know. And quite frankly, my
00:11:16
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gut instinct is that is the biological father, but I do not know that that is, you know, I don't know. I don't know about that more or less pure desperation. It could be like, I mean, she literally could have thought in her mind at that point, like I can protect him or I can protect her from him. Yeah. And I have nowhere else to go. She's young. She doesn't have there were not the resources like there were today for single mothers. You were shunned.
00:11:41
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It was all on you unless your family helped you didn't have any help. And that's where this poor girl was. So I definitely be right. But my mind leads more toward she was desperate. Like I think she was desperate. I do think there was some emotional and maybe a little bit of mental issues from her traumatic childhood like that like Stockholm. Yeah. And I don't think that she was like
00:12:07
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quote unquote crazy or had any kind of like I think that her way she grew up in life and became and I'm sorry if he looks like she's just going through the motions and if you raped her continuously you don't know if he didn't beat her as well so you just don't know what this I mean you wouldn't even have to take a beating at that point like yeah just the sexual immorality of that
00:12:32
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going on and on over and over in a child's life, whether it's a girl or a boy is going to stick with you for the rest of your life.
00:12:37
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Correct. So Christine was a very shy and introverted girl, but was said to be extremely well behaved. Very sweet. She just kept to herself. She had a best friend at school named Virginia who lived in the same project as she did. So they were able to spend a lot of time together. Um, it was said that Christine was bullied multiple times in school for being awkward, for being shy, for being poor.
00:13:02
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But it was also said, Christine was nice to everyone, even in those that took delight in tormenting her and making fun of her. She never had a coursework, never lost her cool, just tried to kill him with kindness. Like she was just a good little girl. You know, it's funny about that. What is like, you know, always talk about the mind mentality and how far the mind will go. Yeah. And we always end up going to like that gruesome side of it. Like what is the human mind capable of? Yeah. But we never really talk about the enlightening side of that. Yeah.
00:13:30
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of what your human mind is actually capable of blocking out and realizing that it doesn't matter what labels people stick on you, like you're you. And it's what you believe in yourself and what you know to be true. And that's incredible. You get to choose how you react. Even if people don't treat you correctly, you get to choose your response. So don't give me that face. No, it had nothing to do with that.
00:13:58
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was like anyway. All right. Suddenly at age nine, Margie, Christine was nine, not the mom, obviously. Margie moved herself and Christina and with her boyfriend without any warning. No notice. Just pack of crap. We're leaving. Christine didn't even get to tell her friends and neighbors goodbye. Like one minute up and gone, up and gone. Peace out. And life was pretty standard with nothing out of the ordinary until everything changed on January 6th, 1988.
00:14:28
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Christine had just turned 10 two days before as anyone with kids or who's been around kids know double digits is a big deal like you're basically an adult yeah you've got you've got two numbers now it's a big deal one zero you can do anything you want to you're an adult basically right basically right and you're a freaking know-it-all okay
00:14:50
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When you, when you, when you get to that age, like you don't need Google anymore. Just ask your 10 year old because they know everything. Yeah. And that's where Christine was. Um, she wanted to show off her new adultness because she was in the double digits and she wanted her mom to give her more freedom. And this was the day she got it. So it's January 6th in Rhode Island.
00:15:15
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I don't have the exact temperature, but it was well below freezing, and it was- Well, anybody that lives up north knows exactly, like, don't cry outside, because your eyelids are gonna get freaked out. Yeah, it was fracking cold. And Margie, obviously, wanted to make a nice, wholesome, warm meal, and I wish I could have it. She was gonna make fresh, warm clam chowder, which- Again. That's all I've wanted for a week now, but that's okay.
00:15:45
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We get up into that area. It's like straight from the sea to a pot. That is wonderful. I even like Campbell's soup clam chowder. I love clam chowder. I could try to figure a recipe for you. We just turned into like super fat people. We need to go to fat camp or something. I don't know what just happened. I don't know. But anyway. Go. So she wanted to make clam chowder for lunch that day for the family. And she was out of a few items, mainly clams and milk, which is like the main ingredient.
00:16:13
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I was just going to say, you know, you need clams for a shower. And so she goes to the store and Christine begged Margie to let her walk to the store by herself and get the items. She's 10 now. She can do it. She's a big girl. Please let me go.
00:16:30
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So Margie said, okay. Now we discussed this last week, 1980s, completely different world than it is today. Your kids had a lot more freedom. And quite frankly, like me and my best friend, her mom was on bed rest when we were in middle school, now middle school. So like 14, 13, 14. We walked like down the street to a, to the, like a Weigels or a local gas stations. We used to go to the gas stations. We used to walk down to the, uh, exactly. So I'm first blush. That's fine. But.
00:16:59
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This is a little bit more than this. Number one, Christine's 10. 10. You're a baby. I'm sorry, I know double digits is super impressive. A baby. Number two, it's not just one store, but two stores that have to be traveled to. Number three, it's below freezing. It is January 6th. Below freezing. And...
00:17:28
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Margio case this and I feel like in that moment, I'd have been like, are you really want to do this? It's really like that. Go. But here's the deal. But I'm going to stalk you the entire. Oh, because one of the places she had to walk was over a mile walk. And there's where it gets me. It is below freezing. This is a poor family. You're going to let your 10 year old walk over a mile. It is a different time. It is a different time. And so I had my mind like.
00:17:57
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Like I used to walk in Boston. Our school was a block or two away. See, I've never lived in a big city. When we were kids, my mom would allow me and my brothers to walk to school and back from school. But you had your older brothers with you. That is true. And all the other kids. I mean, at the same time, you have to let kids experience things or
00:18:19
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They're not going to learn how to be cautious. That's fine. But I'm not letting a 10 year old walk over a mile and below freezing. I was going to say like my like I said, mine was like a block away. No, this is one was a block away. One was over a mile and she is 10. That's just but again, like I said a minute ago, you do not know the mental state this woman was in. She's young, right? She's 20. She's not even 30 yet. She's in her 20s.
00:18:47
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She's been horrifically abused. You just don't know like what human mind isn't fully developed until 25. Like, yeah. And I think she was probably around 26, 27, just math wise. She was 17 when she had her, the little girl just turned 10. So 27, 26, 27. But the deal is, is this girl had this, had Christine when she was 17. Basically, when her mom skipped town, when she was a little tiny girl, her dad treated her like woman of the house.
00:19:13
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He slept with her, probably beat her, probably made her do all the cooking, all the cleaning and whatever else. So you don't know what she was used to before you judge her harshly. Because let me tell you, first blush, I judged harshly and that was wrong with me because you just don't know what the normal was for this woman in that timeframe. You don't know what the normal is for a person in general. No. I can remember being in my early twenties, even in my late, later twenties.
00:19:40
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more than willing to get on the roof and hang Christmas lights. And it wasn't until I turned 30 that I realized I could actually die from this and you wouldn't catch me dead on a roof at this point. And if you ever did catch me dead on a roof, it was a murder because I wouldn't go up there voluntarily. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why I stress. Like you don't know what the, cause at first I judged this woman very harshly. How could you let your daughter who's 10 walk over a mile and freezing cold conditions.
00:20:06
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Just for I mean, and not with then you have to also wonder how many kids in that in that era, even today, walk the same route, doing the same thing, but she'd never done it before. Here's the deal. I go drop my son off at school every day. Yeah, I see kids leave my subdivision and it's not that it's maybe a mile away. Yeah, it's that kids walk by themselves to school. No way. But you just don't you don't. So I'm just saying grain of salt lightning strike. Yeah. The deal. You know what I mean? Like you're just.
00:20:36
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You know, my thing is, is Margie lived a horrific life and did make a bad decision here, but it does not. She does not deserve what comes next. So she'll leave it at that. All right. So the first store Christina walks to is Saints Market where she's going to get the milk. Can I say something super quick? I doubt it'll be super quick, but sure. It's just it's just a simple reference. Yeah. So you're a new mom.
00:21:07
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and you're pretty much with your newborn 24 hours a day, seven days a week. But you still have to get stuff done. You still have to get laundry done. You still have to get everything done. You gotta get food for the house. Even if you're a single mom, it's gonna make it worse. So you stop at the gas station to pump some gas. And your kid is finally sleeping.
00:21:32
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How many parents do we know? Just that we know. A lot that leave them in the car. Exactly. Just let them sleep. No. Because if they wake up... Now, here's the deal though, Faith. You and me say absolutely not. But how many people do we know? That's just my... Yes. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. Personally, absolutely not. It's not that I don't get it. And so I cannot... I'm not gonna sit here and say... And Marjorie... Marjorie? Margie. Margie. In her defense.
00:21:59
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you really don't know. And so that was just kind of an example. Like you said, we don't know where her friend of mine is, but so just, we do get it. Let's just be careful what we say online and everything else. Yeah. So first store that little, um, Christina went to was the saints Mark market. And that's where she's going to buy milk. And then she's going to walk over a mile and end up at red seafood to purchase the clams. So this is her plan.
00:22:25
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Christina Cole made it to Saints Market where she purchased the milk. The clerk remembered her because, number one, she was a little girl by herself. Number two, she was in a coat, but she had no mittens. Her little hands were red. She's shaking. I mean, it is below freezing.
00:22:42
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And the clerk said it just broke her heart. So she actually gave Christina her own gloves that she brought to work with her that day to keep her hands warm because while Christina is freezing. She's excited. Yeah, like This is it. She is she is entered womanhood and this walk and
00:22:59
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So, you know, she's excited and happy, but she's cold and probably rubbing her hands together. In her moment, in her moment, she was responsible and she was doing exactly what she was told. Exactly. You know what I mean? So she's aligning trust with her parents. Yeah. She doesn't know anything could possibly happen. And nothing like that is ever going to enter a child's mind because children trust adults innately. Yes. So this act of kindness by the clerk giving the gloves to Christina would
00:23:27
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would be the last act of kindness Christina would ever experience in her short life. And this clerk is more than likely the last person to see Christina alive. Okay. So what I just heard was the clerk gave her the gloves. She walked home and everything was good. Nope. But that's where it needs to end. Nope. So about three hours after Christina had left the house, it's starting to get dark. So Margie's boyfriend asks Margie, Hey,
00:23:56
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Where's Christina? And I guess at this point they realized, oh, it's dark outside. It's been three hours. She should be back. I don't know why it took this long. Again, I, I'm, I have trouble not judging, but it's only because I'm a hover parent. I'm fully aware. I'm a hover parent. We'll move on. Like just super anxiety up the wazoo. So they, we also live in a generation where this is talked about way more than it used to be. Correct.
00:24:21
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So they start calling friends and family. Nobody's seen her, nobody's heard of her. They form a small search party and go out retracing the path that she would have taken to the different, any path that could take her to the market. However, there's no sign of this little girl, so they call the police and report her missing.
00:24:41
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The next evening, the missing person bulletin starts circulating in the news and within 24 hours, the police are on the street, aiding in the search. The police are literally looking in dumpsters behind the apartment complex. They are looking in every trash bin, dumpster, garbage bag, the entire way to both markets, trying to find this little girl or her body.
00:25:08
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And there's nothing. She's just gone without without nothing to vanish. Eventually, the search slows to a halt officially, but her family keeps looking. Her uncle, her aunt, the boyfriend, the grandfather. They're also looking at the rapist. Yes, they're also looking for this little girl. And after 54 days,
00:25:35
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A man out walking his dog in Warwick, Rhode Island, which is about 15 miles from the apartment complex where Christine and her mother live, saw a doll floating in the shallow water down below. Yep. Obviously, it's not a doll because I'm telling you this story. And what he saw was actually the floating body of Christine.
00:25:58
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Her body was badly decomposed when they found it. Because it had been in the water so long, it was estimated that she was dumped in the water the day she went missing. There was no evidence to be found on the body for the most part. The only thing they were able to find was a very trace amount of blood in her panties, and that was it. And it's 1988, so there is no DNA evidence. There's no nothing, just a little bit of blood. Her mother, Margie was understandably distraught
00:26:29
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As soon as they found the little girl's body, she cleaned out everything, all the little girl's possessions. She couldn't look at them. She started to drift further and further away from her friends and family, and she started going more and more into drugs. Well, now, yeah, she's playing the blame game. To forget about pain, and she more than likely had a lot of guilt. That's what I'm just saying. That would have internalized that to hell in the back. And the case got colder and colder.
00:26:57
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and colder. This happened in January 1988 in 2018.
00:27:11
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over 30 years, 2008. Okay. Yep. A cold case unit reopened this case. And because it was 2018, because they had scientific information, they were able to take the small blood sample that was found in her pants and they ran it and pop. There's a match and codice. So the man who's DNA popped as a match was currently behind bars, long list of crimes.
00:27:42
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DUIs, drugs, assault, robbery, you name it, he probably did it. He was a bad guy. There was one problem though. He was only 25 years old, which meant he was born five years after Christina's death. Right. So in other words, it was a family member. So that's what the police did. They started looking and comparing all his male family members to the crime.
00:28:07
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And since they shared DNA with them, they found Jaul Montero, who was his father. Montero would have been 29 years old at the time of Christina's disappearance and murder. He was in America illegally from Africa. He was the father of four. And while he moved 30 different times in his life,
00:28:32
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the time at the time of Christina's death, he lived in an apartment directly above Saints Market. The last place this little girl seen alive in 2019. A search warrant was issued for his residence and he was actually arrested later that year. New problem.
00:28:53
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And this is where if you live in Rhode Island, you should petition for laws to change because Rhode Island only allows for six months after the arrest for charges to be brought against a perpetrator in front of the grand jury to see if it goes to trial, which I understand that we are, you know, we have the right to a speedy and blah, blah, blah. If it is a 30 plus year old cold case, do you think they're going to be able to get all their crap together in six months?
00:29:21
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No, honestly, I feel like I feel like in a case like that, he's never been tried. It's not double jeopardy. He was arrested for a crime. No, any crime in Rhode Island. I don't know if they've changed it now. I meant to look it up and I forgot I got too mad. But when you charge someone, when you arrest someone, you have six months to bring them before a grand jury to see if it goes to trial. Are you forfeit the case?
00:29:44
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And that is what happened. The investigators could not get enough evidence together in six months. They failed to meet the deadline. So Montero is not just evidence number one. Your DNA was found on this girl. Yeah. Okay. And and the rest of the trial should have consisted of
00:30:03
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How in the world is it humanly possible to take advantage of a child, okay? They're naive, they're gullible. They're gonna listen to adult because the only thing that they're ever taught in their entire effing life is to obey your elder, okay? Nowadays, nowadays, we have to be like, oh, well, don't trust strangers, but hey, listen, if something's happening, go to somebody, ask for help. We're not even faith.
00:30:33
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All right, just take a deep breath. All right. These people run rampant like like a bunch of and rats. OK, because OK. Deep breath here. We're not even halfway done, bro. At the end of the first story, I got one little sentence, then it goes to the next story. You're going to have to give me a minute to recuperate because things are starting to fly and I'm trying my best. OK. All right.
00:30:59
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Currently, Montero is still living free and he is suing the Department of Forensic Scientists, the Police Department and the City of Pawtucket for his own mental anguish, his legal troubles. It could be whatever. Sorry. His money troubles, including being homeless as well as harm to his reputation due to saying that he
00:31:21
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He raped this little girl and more than likely got away with it. He's probably going to get settled with. And up to this point, that is where this story ends. There is no additional information. There is no resolution. Here's the catch. Twenty two, though, Faith. People like that. It's not a one time offense. No, there are people surrounding this man and call who don't talk, call, talk.
00:31:48
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It is not okay, even if you weren't involved, holding your silence makes you guilty by association in my book. If you know a kid's getting hurt, open your mouth. It's amazing to me. It is amazing. It doesn't have to be a kid. If you know a man getting beat, a woman getting beat, anything. How fear can rule someone's life. Yeah, I understand that, but. Yeah, you go ahead. You get your little sweet tarts out of your back there. As a 30 plus year old woman, I can be afraid, but I'm gonna stand up for a nine year old little girl that needs help.
00:32:18
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every time I would agree every time I would agree. So let's let's leave that there. That is her case. Let's move on. I don't.
00:32:31
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How far into this are we because I'm getting to that point now where we're done with the first story. All right. First story is done. No resolution. Cool. Right. So now we're going to leave me hanging. We're going to tell me another story that's probably more than likely worse because you start from. Yeah. OK. Yeah. The face. You know what, guys, I'm going to start recording this like just garbage from faith right now. OK. Because she says she was like, gives it.
00:32:56
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And she knows when I'm about to get triggered, because she'll friggin' pause. And she gives me this look. And I know you can't see the look, but I know that my life right now, it's like, okay, she always talks about the Lisa Rants. You're halfway experiencing one right now. And it's only because I know that if I go off onto my tie-room right now, she's gonna sit here and be like, stop, I've got another story, I've got another story. It's all about me and what I have to say.
00:33:23
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It's about kids and perpetrators who need to be brought to justice and people yeah Because you know what though the more people like me and you that seek like just speak out against this shit. Yeah crap I'm sorry. It is what it is. It is what it is. All right? Jimmy Crockett, you know
00:33:44
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what I just and I'd like to say she said talks about my faces you should see the death glares I get through these stories I almost can't even look at her because I know that her look will kill me like I'll die and you know what guys you know what guys I just want you to go ahead and listen to the rest of this crap because it's probably gonna be like two hour episode it's not because you're gonna absolutely love where I go with my story
00:34:05
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And we're going to listen to Faith's crap. OK, so let's go. Bye. All right. Up next.
Michelle Norris Case
00:34:11
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So now I'm going to tell us the story of seven year old Michelle Norris from Central Falls, Rhode Island. She lived with her single mother and her two brothers. Her father was a severe alcoholic, not in the picture. He lived nearby, but he didn't have like regular contact with his daughter.
00:34:31
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Central Falls, Rhode Island is apparently like the smallest city in the smallest state. Like it's very little. It's 10 minutes to pretty much everything. There's this huge greenway green space and park like everybody in the city can get to it within a 10 minute walk type of deal.
00:34:50
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So May 28, 1988, again, I'm telling you this year for Rhode Island was really bad. It was a Saturday. It was Memorial Day weekend. And Michelle and her brothers were playing outside on the playground at Captain Norris Preschool. It was a little park.
00:35:09
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They were spending the day with their grandmother watching them because their mother had a headache. Was it feeling well? But the house was two doors down from the playground like the grandmother as she's cooking lunch talking to her son, their uncle can see the kids playing on the playground right there. Like it's there. I mean, it's, you know, you haven't not close enough to get there in time. Correct. But it's also 1988. So that's what you did. Then you stayed outside till the dinner bell rang.
00:35:34
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So that's everything's going fine a little bit later that day The two boys Billy Nathan returned to the grandmother's house, but Michelle's not there and When their uncle and their grandmother said where's your sister? They said well one of the boys had gone to the corner store with his friend to get candy Michelle wanted to go they wouldn't let her go
00:35:55
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Michelle's dad lived like one street over. So he pulled up and said, Hey, Michelle, do you want to, you want me to take you to the corner store? We'll get a treat. I'll bring you home afterwards. Your grandmother's no big deal. Um, yes, he was an alcoholic, but this was not an uncommon situation. The grandmother said when he saw the kids playing outside while he didn't have regular contact with him, if he saw him at the park, cause he lives so close, he'd often go grab one of them, bring him to get a treat, bring him back to the grandmother's house.
00:36:24
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There was no abuse allegations or anything. He was just a drunk. They divorced when he saw his kids. He always went and said hi like that type of deal. He just wasn't like an involved father. If that makes sense. I'm gonna buy you this Hershey bar. It makes.
00:36:36
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up for the fact that I wasn't at any major event this whole past year. So that's where we're at. However, today something just felt off. It had been too long. Michelle should have been back at this point. So the grandmother says, you know what? Screw it. And she goes out on foot to find the little girl. At the same time, the uncle calls the police to report Michelle missing.
00:37:02
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The next day, the search starts in earnest. Volunteers, fire departments, police officers, just the community is out searching all areas for this little girl. Two days later on Memorial Day the 30th, there was a gigantic fire at a local laundromat. And this pulled away many of the fire department and police obviously that were searching for Michelle.
00:37:27
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Due to dwindling numbers, the police that remained decided to do a grid search of the woods behind the grandmother's house to try to find this little girl. There was an 18-year-old cop brand new to the force there that day. And he's making his way down his grid line, doing his search, just ends up off the grid line, sees a little path, a little trail down to a pond and says, eh. So he follows it. He's not supposed to do this. You're supposed to stay on the grid.
00:37:56
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He goes down to this little path down to this pond and it was down by the pond underneath the tree that he found the naked decomposing body of Michelle Norris. Her clothes she was wearing the day she went missing were folded neatly and placed beside her on the ground and the body where the body was found it was near a former dump site but there was no residence near like no houses but it was only a quarter of a mile away from the playground.
00:38:24
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When the coroner examined the body, it was found that she had dirt and debris around her mouth in her upper airways and in her esophagus as if she had been held down in the dirt. Assuming they assumed that that was all done while she was being sexually assaulted at seven. If this isn't bad enough, it was also determined that this is not the first time the little girl had been raped.
00:38:51
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She had evidence of multiple sexual traumas and scarring showing years of abuse. This was not just a one-time situation. Her body was littered with bruises and cuts and abrasions throughout, and her death was ruled as a lack of oxygen. The police went first to question, obviously, Dad.
00:39:15
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Last person to see her alive, drove off with her. He was completely upfront with the cops, told him everything. They didn't even say, they just said, when's the last time you saw your daughter? And he said that she was playing outside with Billy Nathan. I asked her if she wanted to go to the corner store to get some candy.
00:39:31
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And that's what we did. Then I brought her back to her grandmother's house, parked in front of the house and told her, hey, hurry up, get inside, let your grandmother know you're home so she doesn't worry. And that was it. So he said, William Norris is the dad's name. He told the police that Michelle was not paying attention to him and he knew that.
00:39:52
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Um, when he said, when he told her by and said, go inside, tell your grandma, your home, because two doors down, there was a little girl standing on her porch with a man. And Michelle was obviously just focused in on this little girl. So he knew that she wasn't paying attention. He knew that she wasn't going to go inside. She saw this little girl, but he drove off because he's not an involved dad. Like he just went to buy her a candy bar to make up for the past, however long he hadn't seen her.
00:40:22
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The little girl on the porch was Michelle's very best friend in the whole wide world named Tammy. They lived together, they went to school together, they played together. Literally, it's like your best friend living two houses down. You're gonna play together all the time. You're seven. So Joe says he does not know who the man is that was with Tammy. But a lot of people think that he was not fully
00:40:48
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He wasn't telling the truth there. So situation we're in, excuse me, dad dropped, dad drops off the little girl. She's seven says, go and tell your grandma your home. So she doesn't worry. He sees her staring at the house, two doors down. He knows she's looking at her best friend. He knows she's about to take off and go play with her, but quite frankly, he doesn't care. Like, I mean, it's not his thing. He bought her a skinny bar. It's done. So, um, the man with Tammy on the front porch was actually her stepfather, Joe Pelham.
00:41:19
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Joe was not a good guy. He was actually just, he was a criminal and worse. Literally worse. I mean, scum of the earth deserves to be eaten alive by like maggots and snakes. Horrible man.
00:41:37
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So I just feel like disgusting. Be a slow torturous death. I don't know. He repeatedly beat his wife, Tammy's mother, Marie Thomas, and he made her do multiple sexual things against her will that she was not willing to do, but he forced her and then beat her. Marie Thomas, the mother worked full time and Joe, great guy that he was, is a stay at home stepdad. Perfect.
00:42:08
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doesn't have to pay for childcare. Um, there are numerous restraining orders out against former wives and or girlfriends against Joe Pelham, this peach of a guy, um, for beating and the same sexual forced sexual situations. He once threatened to bomb a building. No clue why. Um, can I, can I, can I, let me finish his list of charges. Then you can say he had multiple first and second degree assault charges.
00:42:39
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And also had a second degree child molestation charge. You can say what you need before I continue. You may want to wait until I finish this off, but you can, if you need a vent vent. Cause I had to put this one down several times. Okay. Cause I'm not like the part that's about to rip your soul out is coming.
00:43:04
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Well, I'm gonna get this out and I don't really care at this point if anybody thinks I'm a bad word. As a woman with a kid, your responsibility changes. Yeah. Who you let into that kid's life, what your kid develops into, you made a choice.
00:43:35
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You laid down. You had, you, you had options. Okay. You could have given that kid up to an adopted family who would have treated the kid with some kind of kindness. I understand that you're busy and you're overwhelmed, but overlooking what's going on in your child's night life is not acceptable. It's not, but not only that, that being said, before you continue on, could she had lied?
00:44:04
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He had lied to her. And she didn't have any elastic glue. She did not know he had all of these charges brought against like. Well, she was he was also beating her and raping her. So what is she going to do when you leave is when you die? Again, my point. Again, my point. This is already happening to you. What can you possibly be doing to your kids? I know, you know, no, I'm sorry, Faith, but I'm not going to accept
00:44:35
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Michelle's mom, our Tammy's mom is still alive. I don't want any hate going towards her because number one, we all make mistakes. We all do. She had to live through it. I'm not trying to say that. Yes. I understand what you're trying to say. But I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and try to pretend like this didn't happen. No, it is. You did have a choice. You did. You allowed it to happen. But you don't, when you start dating someone,
00:44:58
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You don't get like a list. I mean, you should. You should be able to run a criminal report and see everything they've done, especially in 88. You don't have access to that stuff. And it's not like they know you're right. I know you're right. But like the first time he put his hands on you. You should have. But the first time is always quote unquote, you're I don't. But you know, it's not. No, I don't know. I don't know. OK, but I'm arguing a point in simple fashion like any mom
00:45:29
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worth her grain of salt is going to throw herself in front of a bullet for her kid. And that's what I think. And you know what, even if you both die running, I think you're going to have to continue your story because right now I'm triggered. It's about the horse. I think this mom was doing everything she could to provide for her daughter. I think she thought she took the beating. She took the sexual abuse. He never showed Tammy any interest. Tammy was just in the way.
00:45:57
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Tammy. So I don't think she had a blast clue. She's working two jobs trying to provide for this family. And I would just I would have assumed I would have assumed based on the charges you just read that he was doing the same thing to that little girl. Yes. And. Yes, but the mom, I don't think the mom knew.
00:46:17
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So it did come to light that. But you know what, guys? OK, I'm going to backtrack some of that statement. I know exactly what it's like for a kid to be intimidated and scared because you don't know what that piece of crap garbage. Whatever we're saying to that little girl at that time, we do. It's a paragraph. Oh, so here here we are.
00:46:42
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And I'm going to shove my foot back into my mouth and let them talk. You're about to be super triggered. So warning you. It did come to light that this piece of crap was raping Tammy from the age of five to seven. But because Tammy's mom worked and was out of the house, she didn't know. Tammy later told police and pretty much anybody that would listen
00:47:10
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that Joe, her stepfather, would tell her they were going to play a game. And if she didn't like the game, if she wasn't having fun, they could stop it at any time. What's that game you're wondering? He would take off all her clothes and touch her inappropriately. Tammy did not like this game. She did not want to play this game, and she told Joe that. And every time she tried to stop the game, she said that he would hold her down, face smashed in the carpet as he raped her.
00:47:39
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And then when he was done raping her and threw her clothes at her, he said, if she told anyone, he'd kill her mom and take her with him forever. So this little girl kept her mouth shut. Her mom was the only loving, giving parent she had. She didn't want her mom to die and she didn't want to be alone with him forever because her mom took some of the abuse when she was around. If that's not heartbreaking enough, um,
00:48:05
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It came out later that, so here's what happened. Tammy and Michelle were best friends, neighbors. Michelle's obviously over at the house all the time. And Tammy said, if she'd go to the bathroom or she'd go to get something and she'd come back, she'd catch Joe staring at Michelle. She would catch Joe touching her hair or touching her shoulder. This little girl, this is between, while she's actively being raped by this monster between five and seven years old.
00:48:34
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Tammy would see this and she didn't want her friend to be hurt. So she'd go in between them and redirect Joe's attention to her to keep her friends safe. That's what she remembers of her friends. Um, so the day after Michelle went missing, literally next day, Joe picked up his family and moved them across town out of the blue. Nothing was planned. Nothing in the works. Just packed up the rest were gone.
00:49:04
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Since 1988, Joe Pelen has had 16 different homes throughout the state of Rhode Island. Police ended up talking to Joe's brother, who was currently in prison.
00:49:15
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Um, for a different, like very minor charge. Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, I guess. Yeah. His was like drug use, like nothing. And when they asked John, they didn't lead or anything. They said, tell us about your brother. And Sean said, Joe's always been messed up. Since he's a kid, he's been messed up. My mom put him in an insane asylum after she caught him raping our little sister, Heidi. He's always been bad.
00:49:42
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And he said right before I came to prison, Joe told his brother John that he had raped a little girl named Michelle, didn't give a last name, but he didn't mean to do, he didn't mean to, but got too excited and choked her while raping her out in the woods by the school, but never mentioned the school, never mentioned the last name.
00:50:06
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Tammy would later in all her testimony testimony to the police and investigators called was Tammy at this point in time when she was given all this test. I don't know the testimony. I just know that it happened when she was five to seven. I know you're saying that it happened. I don't know how seven, but I'm wondering. Is she still in a childlike mind when giving this like how many times this kid didn't have to relive this?
00:50:33
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more than she deserved. She didn't deserve to live at once. So she corroborated John's story saying that Joe would walk her into those same woods after school multiple times and force her face into the dirt as he raped her there as well. Despite all this, there was not enough information to arrest Joe Pelin. To this day, there's never been a charge for the murder of Michelle Norris.
00:51:02
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Joe currently works at a gas station in Rhode Island. Free as a bird, nothing, probably doing the same crap he's always done. In June 2019, Michelle Norris's case was reopened for forensic scientists to analyze the debris found in her lungs and in her airways. Along with the dirt and like leaf particles they found, they were able to find insulation
00:51:29
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Um, was mixed in leading detectives to know that she was more than likely murdered inside her house. They did test the only two suspects they ever had in this, this little girl's murder was her father, William Norris, who I do not believe did it. I think he was a crap dad, but I don't believe he hurt his little girl. There's never, he's never been anything but just a worthless drunk, if you will.
00:51:55
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Um, they did test it against the apartment he was living in at the time the installation was not a match. There is no word if, um,
00:52:06
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They ever tested the apartment or the house that the Pellons were living in at the time of her murder to see if it matched Joe's. In 2019, when the case was reopened, Julia Norris, Michelle's mother, told NBC that she was a sweetheart. Honestly, not because she was my daughter. She was just a sweet child.
00:52:31
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Norris also said that the last word she spoke to her daughter, because remember she was sick and had a headache, she told her daughter, her daughter asked her at seven, mommy, do you want some Tylenol? And she said, no, baby, I'm just gonna lay here. She said, all right, I love you, mommy. And she said, mommy loves you too. As the kids went to play at the playground, she said that she believes that the DNA is the way to find her. And ever since,
00:53:00
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Caroline, sorry I'm on Michelle now so I can't Christina, sorry. Ever since Christina Cole's murder and DNA was able to be used in 2018. She holds her breath every time the phone rings praying that they find her daughter's murder. Sorry, this really bothers me.
00:53:19
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The part that the little girl is playing at has been renamed the Michelle Norris Playground. And she says that Michelle's mother, Julia, said that she's moved away from Rhode Island and is now living in Massachusetts. She's the grandmother of seven. And as she watches her grandchildren play outside, fear rises up inside her every time despite their growing age. And she says, they tell me, me, Mom, I'm 15. I'm OK.
00:53:47
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And she says that she can't help it. It's a scary world out there knowing what happened to her daughter. There is a reward for any information given on Michelle Norris. There's a hotline for both of these cases. If you have any information, I'll post them in the show notes. The first look, sorry, I'm sorry. These cases are hard. Christina Cole's mother, that was her only child. She was a young mom.
00:54:17
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She killed herself with drugs due to the guilt of her daughter's murder and she doesn't have to live with that guilt anymore. Julia Norris does. I'm sure even though the dad was the piece of crap, I'm sure William Norris regrets it anytime he sees a little girl or anytime he thinks about his daughter because whether you're an active involved dad or not,
00:54:38
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You don't think no one thinks it's going to happen to them. That's the problem. No one thinks it's going to happen to them. Everyone thinks it's okay. We live in East Tennessee. I can read a book while I'm at splash country. I don't need to watch my kids that safe. You have to because in a split second, they're gone and you have to relive your trauma.
00:55:01
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and news and every holiday and every birthday. And that's what Julian Norris is doing, terrified when her grandkids go out because it was her mother that watched them from the porch window. And in a split second, her little girl was gone.
00:55:17
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That's Rhode Island. It's sucky. I'm sorry. I'm going to just interject again because, you know, that's my job. But instead of I am, I'm sorry, I'm trying to come down. No, you're fine. I'm upset for a couple of reasons. One, your stories, both of them. It's not even just that they suck. It's that in the moment.
00:55:43
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When I'm listening to all this, again, it's a person from the outside looking in. Yes. And it's easy to say what they should. I can absolutely exactly. And so I apologize for being. You know. Maybe hateful, I guess, for lack of a better word, very strongly opinioned when it comes to kids. But, you know, instead of being triggered and angry, I'm going to actually share with you guys just.
00:56:10
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an experience I've had recently where things are uncomfortable to talk about, but your children, whether you're a dad or you're a mom, when they get to a certain age where they're not hovering around you 24 seven, when they're not depending on you for, you know, basically life's breath, you've got to start preparing them for the real world. And there's,
00:56:40
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It is young now, it's very young. And I've had experiences in this last year and my child's only nine of situations where I don't know how to talk about, I don't know how to approach it. I don't wanna be offensive. I don't wanna make him feel uncomfortable. But then I realized like my comfort's not the problem.
00:57:08
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No. His safety is the problem. And as a parent, we've got to start, you know, single moms, you know, the comments I made earlier about, you know, looking into the guy that you're dating, blah, blah, blah. No. Talk to your kids. Yeah. Because you know what? If you need to reiterate to your child at any point that you have their back 110 percent and that there is not one person that's going to walk over your child without getting through me, things are going to change.
00:57:36
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Mm-hmm, and that's what I try to tell Caleb all the time. It's bro You tell me the truth in your hundred and ten percent not in trouble. Not one person is Going to stand in my way of having your back. Yeah, and You know what guys kids kids do dumb things a hundred percent adults do dumb things. Yeah kids say stupid things Yeah, but to imagine
00:58:04
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Sexual abuse, not normal. No, most kids aren't exposed to that at that point. So there's actually so my sister-in-law, I make fun of her and say she's granola root.
00:58:18
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very eaten because it's all organic all natural so freaking healthy and in shape it's disgusting but whatever yeah um she homeschools her kids we all need to be fat and happy yeah and she actually bought two books for her children she has a four-year-old and a two-year-old and uh i'm gonna be honest with you when i first read the book which i will get the books and the titles and i will post them to our socials
00:58:43
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because I was really like, wow, that is taking it too far. Because the whole book, it's a children's book. It has got pictures. It's talking about good pictures versus bad pictures.
00:58:56
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And it's literally teaching your child how not to be groomed. It's talking about how pictures at the beach when your swimsuit's okay, but if people try to get your swimsuit off, that's not okay. If people ask you to look, and it's a whole children's book off this, and she reads it to her children, and I was like, wowza. At first, it made me uncomfortable. That was inappropriate. Yeah.
00:59:20
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How is it inappropriate to teach your child when someone is not OK? It makes me uncomfortable because it's an uncomfortable topic. But just like you said, my comfort level is not what's important. The children's safety. If Tammy had been read that book since she was little and it goes into that, if they tell you they're going to hurt your family, they're not. Talk to mom, talk to dad, talk to grandma, talk to someone. And it goes to it all.
00:59:45
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Tell your kids. And last night, actually. OK. And we started getting into these conversations where, you know, we feel like we're describing things early. Right. Because Disney popped up a movie that was turning red and they started talking about a woman's period. Yeah. And so she said, I just went from like a scientific angle and she was like, Lisa.
01:00:08
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I'm not going to tell I'm going to be honest with you. I told them the scientific definition of what that is. They lost interest within the first five seconds. Not only that, let's be honest. If you've got a kid and you're a mom, have you ever been able to go to the bathroom without like a standing ovation because they're staring at you the whole time? Yeah. Yeah. Because banging at the door, wiggling their fingers. I don't know the gap in the door. Yeah. He just goes because when I had the miscarriage last year. Yes. Obviously, I'm hemorrhaging. So.
01:00:38
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My child associates that with mommy's losing a baby. So literally every time I have my period is art is another baby dead. And I'm like, no, but my soul is thanks for crushing it. She doesn't get it. But that's fine. But my point is she knew about periods before turning red because she's in the bathroom with me every time I go to the bathroom. Do you know what I mean? So you can be all anti. Oh, Disney shouldn't have done that.
01:01:05
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I wasn't like the biggest fan of the movie, but it showed. Having a boy and having a girl. True. Because when Caleb sees all my crap and then in the garbage bin. Yeah. He's like, Mom, did you get a nosebleed? Like Bella just calls him mommy diapers. Mommy diapers. You're in a mommy diaper. But your kids know like comfortable to talk about. Like there are certain things. OK, women's periods aside. Yeah, obviously. Like, I mean.
01:01:34
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it's sex is getting forced into their face as soon as they're on TV or on an app needs to know when they from the moment they look I'm not saying don't trust anyone but I'm saying make them earn your trust oh heck yeah okay because with the experience that I talked about today and what I called you and talked to you about because I was seething
01:01:56
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I need my son to know that if he is 110% honest with me, I am 110% on his side. And that, for me, is going to have a process that goes
01:02:12
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beyond the conversation in the car this morning. Yeah. But it's even like last week I told you, my, my daughter's in first grade and she comes home talking about how this kid. Tell them everyone that this other kid smells as peanuts and all his friends smell as peanuts, which was another word for testicles in her mind. Right. And I had to explain to her, we don't talk about that, but I also had explained to her, Hey, mom is going to go to your teacher.
01:02:35
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and tell your teacher what was said. You are not in trouble. You did nothing wrong. But if she asks you, you need to tell her what you told mom. But I'm not going to have my kid ambushed by the teacher either. Like the teacher was fantastic and handling it. The kid that ran his mouth. Mother is a teacher there, so he's got screwed. But you know what I mean? Like it's I tell my kid all the time, like it was after after we recorded last time I had to have the adult conversation with her.
01:03:02
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because they didn't obey, but like, I, like we don't, it's never, I hated when I was told, no, you can't because I say so. Now I do use it every once in a while, but I try to like, I don't lie to my child. She got her feelings hurt. We had a family member. Um, they had a birthday party. There's their little boy had a birthday party. We were not invited. We weren't.
01:03:24
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And when Bella got her feelings hurt because she was not, cause she asked, when's his birthday party? And I said, it was yesterday. So why didn't we go? I'm not going to lie to her because we weren't invited Bella. Yeah. And she cried and didn't understand why her aunt and uncle didn't want her to be there. It hurt her feelings, but I'm not going to lie. And I said, I said, it's not that they didn't want you there. It's that they're busy.
01:03:49
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They have lives and they didn't remember who they texted and who they didn't. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's what happened. Yeah. I forgot to go to my other niece's birthday party. Just complete. My mom calls me middle of the day, like a month ago on a Saturday and she goes, Hey, where are you at? And I was like, uh,
01:04:06
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I'm laying on the couch. I just finished mopping, trying to quit sweating for a second before I go clean the kids room. And she goes, are you not coming? I was like, what am I doing? Coming to what? Because I forgot the birthday party. And so when I went to my parents' house for lunch the next day, little girl, my little niece runs up to me and says, sissy.
01:04:24
Speaker
Why didn't you want to come to my party? Well, it's just like the story before. It's not that I didn't want to come. I forgot. Yeah. Like I legit and I missed her birthday party 100 percent. Bella was mad at me. Only her little heart was broken. But it's your adult. But you need to be able to have those. And I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And it's not about. It's about defense.
01:04:48
Speaker
OK, like, yes, I'm going to throw a football analogy. OK, you're going to have people charging at you your entire life. Yeah. OK. And you can either stand firm in what you know to be true. Yep. Or you can get knocked over and not fight.
01:05:05
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And as a parent, Michael, personally, and it's whatever it's, whatever you guys decide, because all of us, look, ladies, ladies, just for you, all of us have different parenting styles. Some of us, oh, a hundred percent, a hundred, you know, some of us breastfeed, some of us do formula, some of us do ABC. It doesn't matter. At the end of the day, we're moms and we're going to decide what's right for your kid.
01:05:31
Speaker
Your husbands as the man of the house are going to stand with that because it is the right decision. Yeah. I'm sorry, guys, but when it comes to stories like this, it's heartbreaking. And I am always going to go for the preventative action. This is what she could have done. This is what he could have done. This is it does not mean they did anything wrong. No, it's not that it's not that at all. It's that in the moment
01:06:01
Speaker
Like I let my son ride to his friend's house around the corner. And I was sitting out front today, like waiting for him to come home. It's literally like, literally surprised you're not in the bridge and like stalking. It's three houses down. But again, you have to give your kid. You have to be able to show them that they can be responsible.
01:06:23
Speaker
And in a day and age where parents especially have so much anxiety of what could possibly happen. Yeah. Your kids also have to learn how to be safe. Yeah. And so I'm sitting on the on the front porch and I'm waiting for my son to come home and a FedEx truck stop at the stop sign. That's literally like diagonal. Yeah. From my house. Diagonal from my house. And he's just sitting there.
01:06:50
Speaker
And I'm sitting here like, I know my son's got, he's coming home. Like, you know, my other parent called her texted and said, Hey, he's on his way. You know, two minutes go by three minutes go by five minutes. We're all in the back of that. Now here's the deal. I never stopped eye contact. And then I made the excuse of going to the mailbox to see if there was anything in the mail. Okay.
01:07:14
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I got a text message from the other parent saying, Hey, I'm sorry. He forgot some stuff. He's packing up his backpack. He's coming back. Okay. Again, this is communication between two adults. Yeah. I know where my son is. He's still at your house.
01:07:29
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But I cannot take my friggin eyes off the truck. Why is he sitting at that stop sign? He could have been doing anything. He could have literally been trying to fill out a piece of paper or Google his next address. Right. And again, we do a true crime podcast. We are hover parents. And if you are within a five mile radius of my kids, I am going to have
01:07:50
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your weight, high tear color, eye color and probably blood type stored in my brain somewhere. Because I expect you to try something and I am ready to ninja chop you in the throat. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I may not be the best fighter on the planet, but I promise you, I promise you, you're going to hurt by the time it's over. Oh, gosh, you're going to have some pain. Heal to the kidney.
01:08:15
Speaker
All right. Well, I went way over as usual. Yeah. But I did get two stories. Well, but here's the deal. Here's the deal. I know your stories were terrible, but at the same time, we got to have open communication about something that's real life. And and you know what? I know it is a horrible opinions or opinions. OK. And I'm going to tell you what. You can agree with my opinion. You can hate my opinion. But I was always taught that opinions are like buttholes. Everybody's got them. They all stink. Everybody's got one and they all stink. So, you know, maybe maybe.
01:08:45
Speaker
It was uncomfortable. It was horrible. It was horrible. Researching is horrible. Reading it, hearing it. Nobody ever wants to believe it. Nobody ever wants to get to that point in their in their thoughts that like somebody is capable of doing that to a child, which is like one of the biggest stances in a hill that I will friggin die on. You don't know what they know. No, no, no, no, no, no. That the penalties for what these people will do to a child who is vulnerable and gullible and trusting. Yep.
01:09:16
Speaker
The punishment for that is so minuscule compared to what I feel like it should be. Louisiana does it right. Automatic life. No. Yeah. Hang them. Hang them and hang them high. Like I just I don't even care. Throws you to the swamp and remembers you. No, ma. No, ma. No, ma. All right. All right. Give us a minute. We're going to take a short break and come back to Lisa in South Carolina, South Carolina.
01:09:45
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So I am, this is Lisa, sorry. I am in South Carolina tonight. And first couple of things that I wanted to say was me and Faith are super like, I don't know, linked somehow. And it's weird because my story actually kind of piggybacks on hers in
01:10:12
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It's too late in a row. Yeah, that's crazy. It is weird. I also want to state the record like I don't know how many of you ever go on to try to like do your own research just about like anything in any state at any point in time where you just Google like, you know, murders in Hawaii, murders in Louisiana, murders in New York.
Online Predators and Society's Response
01:10:40
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and just the pages upon pages of stuff that you get. And for me, and I don't know if faith feels the same, but I just sit here and I'm looking like, I didn't realize there were so many things to pick from. And it's horrifying. I mean, I did, but I didn't, if that makes sense. Well, I mean, we all expect it, but like at the same time, it's literally horrifying that you have so many
01:11:09
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options. Right. And so I'm going to dive a little deeper. Right. And so I searched my South Carolina story and I went on to Google, Google and different kinds of stuff like crazy things that happen, crazy crimes that happen, you know, murders in the last two years, you know, just whatever some trying to find a case to look at. And then
01:11:36
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I mean, there's so many options and every victim's story needs to be told. But, yo, like I would literally have to do a podcast every single night to accomplish the things that have happened in the 50 states that we're going through for a year, more than a year. I'm sorry, I just wanted to vent that only because
01:12:04
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it's really uncomfortable to think about. So I dove in and I decided to go to murderpedia, right? And I was like, you know what? We'll start with the ladies first.
01:12:23
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The majority of the things that I brought up for the ladies are all parasite. And I don't know if you understand the concept of what that is, Faye, do you? Where you kill your father or our family. Parasite is a family member, right? Yeah. So it was literally women killing their children and maybe a couple that killed like their husband and their children. And I just I sort of put my phone down and I took a step back and I was like, OK.
01:12:53
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because that's not the first time that I've looked a lady suspect up first aid. Yeah. And because I'm just curious, right? And so I went to the men and I'm looking through all this stuff, rape and this and that, and you know, they, you know, whatever. And I put my phone back down. I'm sitting here and I'm thinking like, there's too many to pick from.
01:13:24
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And so out of nowhere, I started just Googling like random crap. Okay. Just, you know, I went through stupid crimes in South Carolina. Crazy crimes in North Carolina or South Carolina. And I can't even remember the one
01:13:48
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that I sent out to get the story that I'm about to tell you guys today. But during the course of like pages upon pages of just murder and rape and all of this crap, I came up with a story that said 17 men arrested. 17. Yes. In Operation Targeting Online Predators.
01:14:18
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nope and i stopped again and i put my phone down and i'm like you know what you know what we people talk about it okay online predators blah blah blah okay and as i sat there and chewed on the idea of actually doing this podcast i started like kind of googling statistics and i started
01:14:47
Speaker
thinking about some of the things that I've watched like we all know um the show that they were doing on how to catch a predator how to catch a predator was it nbc i don't remember it was nbc honestly but i'm not 100 sure and i remember watching like all of these and i'm like these people were serious they're serious yeah okay literally could be talking to like a 45 year old man with a beard
01:15:14
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and they think it's a 13 year old girl and they're just gonna show up. And so before I get too far into this story, again, like I said, 17 men arrested in South Carolina. I was Columbia, South Carolina. According to the Lexington County Sheriff's Department, 17 men were arrested in a month long operation that targeted
01:15:45
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contact, I'm sorry, contacting children for sexual activity. So this was an abccolumbia.com reference, okay? So that's a direct quote. And I'm gonna skip over here and get to my next page because when I started reading into some more of the stuff, I was just kind of like, okay, like, okay. When you think about online predators, right?
01:16:14
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Like you don't think, you know what I mean? It's not like shooting fish in a barrel, right? You would think maybe they're few and far between, but according to the FBI, okay? And this is a fox19.com reference, okay?
01:16:34
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The FBI warns that there are about 500,000 predators active online every single day, kids aging between 12 and 15. 12 and 15. Okay. I like triggering you. I don't like being triggered. Let's just throw that out there. Well, I mean, you know, you're, you're punk and you don't listen to my words. I'm not going to listen to yours. So.
01:17:04
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This bust, right, for these general scroll back down here because again I'm literally kind of quoting. You know what this ABC Columbia calm has has written because.
01:17:21
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I'm more, more or less just kind of giving facts right now. And then we're going to have like a discussion about it. Good, good. But this all happened. And let me just go back to the top real quick. All right. This was September 10th, 2021. Wowza. So recent. Less than a year almost. Pretty freaking recent. Yeah. All right. So William Banks, 51.
01:17:44
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Liberty, South Carolina, attempted criminal sexual conduct with a minor, attempted sexual exploitation of a minor, and attempted to discem- Uh, no. Wait. That's a big word. That's a $5 word, Faith. Basically gave out photographs of obscene material to persons under 18 years old.
01:18:12
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StevenBradley42, West Columbia. Two counts of attempted criminal sexual conduct with a minor, criminal solicitation of a minor, and unlawful carry of a handgun. Which, you know what? He'll probably serve more time in jail for the handgun offense than he would doing whatever he did to a kid. You know he's using the handgun to scare the kids to do whatever. Yep. I'm done with tonight. Today sucked. Tonight's worse. I'm done.
01:18:41
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I can't even screw my drink lid on. I'm so mad. I've been over here screwing for like five minutes. Please keep going with that. I've been over here screwing. Keep going with that. I'm trying to screw the coke lid on and I'm so angry. All right. Darren Bray, 40 years old, Greenville, Illinois attempted dismembering. This
01:19:02
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Okay, literally a stupid word And he was still arrested in South Carolina stupid word because you cannot pronounce in a nutshell. Yes. Okay. Yes disseminating that's the word disseminate Obscene material to persons under the age of 18 attempted sexual exploitation of a mind but again captured in South Carolina Kevin Carpenter 26 same deal Scene materials
01:19:59
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Why are you- Is that Joffrey?
01:20:03
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That is Joffrey. It's got to be something in the name. It's probably pronounced Jeffrey, because who pronounces it Joffrey after Game of Thrones of that little punk. Yeah. But I hope he got the same ending. Dudding. Dudding. Yeah. Thirty six. Charlotte. I'm sorry. Can we pause it? No. Yes. You you pause with a minor. You pause like 52 times in mind to rant.
01:20:27
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What does it accomplish as a grown a person to show pornographic material to a child? Like they don't understand that the naked body is bad. Like what does that do anything for you to confuse and like
01:20:47
Speaker
Huh, a kid. OK, so here's the deal. This is what I was saying. Part of grooming, but still. But here's here's the point that I was trying to drive across. And the cases that you were talking about earlier is that they're innocent, right? Gullible. And they're just going to go along with it. Like literally, when you want to talk about a purified. Victim. A kid. And even not even just a kid, but a senior citizen.
01:21:16
Speaker
Yeah, suffering dementia, all these kind of sexual crimes that these people committed. What what is wrong with our government? Is what I want to know. That they're just like, well, OK, well, their lives, you know. Oh, I don't know. Continue. I'm going to turn myself back on because, you know, you're annoying. All right, so Joffrey Dudding, Mark Frick.
01:21:47
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He was 54. Attempted sexual criminal conduct with a minor. Criminal solicitation of a minor. So like guys, I could literally, I'm gonna see here and I'll just continue at this point reading off the names of these 17 men. Or not, because I can't pronounce that guy's name. Faith, what is this? Kiori. Kiar. Kiar.
01:22:13
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Spelling out so the people know what it is. It's K-E-I-R here. Fu-well. Landon Gibson, Kane Hicks, Walter Huggins, David Jones, Willie Manning, Joshua Pexowski, Miskell
01:22:41
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I suck at this. This is ridiculous. It just butcher it and move on. Eric Zuckerberg. One day when we have listeners, they're going to hit this episode and they're going to be like, uh, what is wrong with her mouth? Yeah. I'm going to stroke trying to pronounce apparently literally all 17 of these guys arrested for the same damn thing. Yeah. Okay. Coercion children.
01:23:09
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Now guys, I'm gonna say this bluntly and I'm gonna say it boldly. 18 and under is a child. Is a child.
01:23:20
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I don't care if there are 17 to 364 days. And don't ever sit here and don't ever sit here and try to convince me that some stupid 13 year old girl gets online, gets manipulated by a guy that she had it coming. OK, because you know what? They are children are naive. They're naive.
01:23:40
Speaker
They don't get it. Okay. Every, every frigging female or male teenager at any point in a given time thinks that their parents are out to get them. They're the worst. And they need to get away from this because now in this generation, it's all about depression. It's all about how I'm not getting what I want. Thus I'm not loved. And so I think that's the reason that the statistics that I've been reading have gone up so much.
01:24:08
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Okay, because it's thrown in their faces so much. I was gonna say we have started sexualizing children at such a young age. There have always been sick, sick pedophiles in this world that should be gunned down in the streets like the purge type situation. I purge all night long on a pedophile. The movie purge.
01:24:29
Speaker
where you get to kill people for free. People will sit here and try to convince me like it's a way of living. And I totally get that. I get that. It is your way of living. And you don't deserve to live. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about pedophiles. I'm talking about the sexualization of children. No. They don't need to know about trans. They don't need to know about gay. They don't need to know. OK, if that's the environment you're living in,
01:24:55
Speaker
Okay, when I was a kid, which was, you know, almost- It wasn't even a subject. No, but like, there are pictures lining my grandparents' walls of both of my little brothers in full dance costumes, with full faces and makeup, with hair accessories, and I even stuffed their boobs with toilet paper to give them ta-tas. And they are dancing their routines proudly with pom-poms and- And don't, please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Yeah. I'm not talking about the community. It's because they're a kid.
01:25:25
Speaker
The people that run around in like just their crap hanging out and their, their, you know, wonkeys hanging out. That's what I'm talking about. Sexualizing a new kid. Yes. And that's, I'm not saying in offense to anyone. Yeah. We're not saying being trans is wrong, but having to have a conversation with kindergarten, they're not mature enough for that conversation.
01:25:52
Speaker
I want to have a conversation with my kid. You want to have a conversation with my kid? I'll be there. No, I'm going to tell you something. That child can live his life the way that his parents and himself deem necessary. It is not your responsibility as my child to bully that kid. No. And if I find out you're bullying that kid, I'm going, you're done. Yeah. Bella, you can call her out right now and say, what will you get the most trouble for? And she'll tell you, number one, lying.
01:26:20
Speaker
because we do not tell lies. We always tell each other the truth, and we would never get in trouble for that. Number two, picking on someone. Even if you're honest that you picked on them, there will be a severe consequence because we do not make fun of anyone. And staying silent while someone's getting picked on is the same as picking. So as soon as she hits school, we drilled that into her head. Yes. If you stand there and don't say anything while someone is getting bullied, you are bullying. Everybody's different. Yeah, that's what makes us great. Exactly.
01:26:49
Speaker
It's boring. We are the human race. We are the human race. And it doesn't. OK, not it. OK. All right. I'm going to I'm going to jump back into this. And when I tell you when when Faith says grooming, I'm not talking about people that believe differently than me. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people who are overtly sexualizing themselves. And telling my child that that's OK. Yeah. OK. So.
01:27:18
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Maybe neither here nor there. All right. We had the subject. You, you started an entire just crapshoot of people that might hate me for what we said or whatnot. Well, I was clarifying what you said, because when you just said.
01:27:34
Speaker
Trans it was making it like you thought they were bad and I know that's not that's not what I meant No, I know that's not what you think and I know that's not what you meant guys But in the heat of the moment you shite your mouth off I do and they don't know you so I'm trying to clarify I have to backtrack after I say something to try to explain it because I do pop off Yeah pretty easily. Yeah, um but again Everybody has an opinion
01:28:03
Speaker
and opinions are like buttholes and you can hate the things that you say what you want. Just don't let it affect a child in a nutshell. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Like I said, that one you want to be a vampire, be a vampire. Just don't hurt people. Be a good one. So I came across just some of the.
01:28:23
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Recents of things after I I journeyed upon the 17 arrests on South Carolina, dude It's like every month. There's just a racket of them Tennessee had a bunch like it was just ago wasn't even that long because it was one of my clients Yeah busted in an undercover sting Thinking he was hooking up with like a 16 year old and as soon as it was brought to my attention I walked to my boss's office because he comes in my office. They're pictures of my child and I said this is
01:28:52
Speaker
Number one, he's canceling because he's in jail and he's not paying his insurance. But I said, here's what happened. He comes in the office. He is not allowed in my office. If you want to keep him as a client, that is fine. But I will no longer service him after he tried to set up a meeting with a child for sex. And my boss said, you know what? His policies reinstated. Tell him to transfer to another agent outside of our office because we will not
01:29:18
Speaker
Because hey, he's not gonna make me uncomfortable. My boss stands behind me 100% and I appreciate it. But I'm not gonna have him in there looking at pictures of my child. And while he is a registered sex offender now, uh-uh, uh-uh. I'm sorry, it's the hardest. It is the hill I will die on. There's no grace for pedophilia. None.
01:29:40
Speaker
Like none and you can at me all day long. I will not read it or delete it. I am sorry, but children I'm just gonna shoot you the middle finger emoji and tell you that I don't care about actually. No, I'm gonna post it all over every social media I know so everybody knows that you're okay. Yeah So again Wow, everyone is gonna hate us after this. We are being very strongly opinionate, but I don't care. No like dude
01:30:06
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This is what you're talking about on a regular night literally. Yeah, I'm gonna sit here. I'm gonna tell you these stories I'm gonna give you my heart to heart and You decided at some point that we both needed to share our opinions with the world. Okay now here's the deal guys Faith and I can sit back and have a conversation and the two of us Have very different opinions when it comes to certain things
01:30:30
Speaker
Bro, there is several podcasts where we have never aired them and I have changed the story or Lisa have changed the story because we got into such a heated debate for like three hours up until 11 o'clock at night. But you know what though? Screaming to each other. So the majority of some of that still airs. Yeah, there's been a few that I haven't because we've gotten.
01:30:49
Speaker
I'll sit there and tell me but this this and this and I'll sit here and I'll come back at her and I'm like, but this is literally literally gonna sit here and die on the hills of that we believe and you know what everybody has beliefs stand behind your beliefs as long as it's not harming a child again reiterate safe
01:31:08
Speaker
Safe, sane, and consensual. Consensual being the age of consent, in my definition, that both parties agree to just because they're already, he doesn't mean he can tell them what to do. Here's my deal, and this is what I've said from start to finish. What two consenting adults do is their business. Ain't my business. Buddy, I'm not, I'm not.
01:31:30
Speaker
Oh, do I want to hear about some of the stuff that people do? Not so much, but well, some of it's kind of funny, but hey, that's true. Truth is real. But you know what? We have different opinions and we're still friends because guess what? I don't want to eat vanilla ice cream every day for the rest of my life. I want some chocolate. I want some sprinkles. I want some caramel sauce. I want strawberry. I like sorbet.
01:31:52
Speaker
You have to change it up. That's people are the same thing. You don't want to associate with just people like you. You need people with different opinions, different strong opinions, because you know what? You can't just have a strong opinion and never have it tested and it be a truth. Like you need people that are going to buck that opinion to make you reevaluate your opinion to see if it is the hill you'll die on. Right. And guess what? I know the hills I'll die on. Yeah. Well, it's not even that. But how many times have we both spoken like
01:32:20
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Uh, this is what I believe. This is what I stand firm. And then we listened to each other speak and we're like, okay. Okay. Nevermind. I get that. You said it earlier. You're like, all right, nevermind. Nevermind. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, okay. Either way. Moving. Fox news came out with a, um, I'm sorry, guys. That's the program I heard or something. They published a, uh, doc, uh, not a documentary, a story.
01:32:49
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on January 4th, 2022. This year. This year. And it's investigations about like just the games, video games, websites that predators will use to lure children. Now, I'm not going to read you any SERPs from this. I will post a link to the article. Yeah, we can post on social. You guys got to start doing your own research. All right. As a parent,
01:33:20
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There was a phrase that we used to use when we were kids, younger, not children. We used to say cowboy up. Meaning like nobody wants to shoot the dying calf. OK, but sometimes you got to shoot the dying calf. I never said cowboy up for the reference. That's a weird old Bostonian, Lisa and her family thing. And I don't think Bostonian. I think just your weird family. Yeah.
01:33:48
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like you watched the movie old yeller like nobody wants the dog to die, but you know, it's better off for the kids just like recent. So what I'm saying is Ned Stark, he who gives the sentence gives the punishment when he got the beginning of the whole show, when he cut that guy's head off the rock and he made a son watch, he told him I gave the sentence. I do the deed. I do the deed.
01:34:11
Speaker
You take responsibility for your actions. What I'm trying to say is, when I tell people to cowboy up, I'm telling you, you got to start researching some of this stuff because it's literally everywhere. And you know what? Everybody thinks it will not happen to them and it can. Guys, how many of you can honestly raise your hand and say my kid doesn't have a tablet? Or access the one. Yep. How many kids can sit here and raise their hand and say, my parents don't want to play on their phone?
01:34:39
Speaker
Now, I'm going to give you personal experience wise where my son was on my phone on YouTube watching Dude Perfect. Okay. I've watched Dude Perfect a thousand times. Yeah. Didn't think it was a big deal. No. Okay. And, um, the advertising took a very different frigging turn.
01:35:03
Speaker
Yep. Because it's all forcing. It was going to say it's all forcing that sexual mentality onto a kid. And when I tell you furious, like if I could have ripped out the throat of someone at that moment, I probably could have maybe. But it is everywhere. And it's proven point in the fact that, like,
01:35:27
Speaker
Yeah, you got to check up. You got to do what you got to do. OK, and so when we're talking about these online things, when you're one of the articles that I read said that the biggest victims, the most victims are females between the ages. Of. 11 and 15 when they're going through awkward phases and they just want to be loved and feel worthy, so. Seventeen men.
01:35:59
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were arrested in South Carolina, pending charges. I remember watching a documentary-ish kind of, I don't know if there'll be another season. Let me bring this up real quick. It was on Disney Plus and it was called, hang on, this is being dumb.
01:36:31
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so it was basically this woman who is 38 years old who literally pretends to be oh you told me about her child yes and i'm trying to find the freaking
01:36:53
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TV series because I cannot for the life I remember it what what it was called but she pretended to be a child basically and was talking to these gentlemen online now she was a young female thus the target was men right and I can remember sitting here watching the series
01:37:20
Speaker
and watching her cry after she got off the phone or was done messaging these guys. And she would say things like. These children will never forget this. Now these kids are going to be scarred from this like. I know that the sexuality that that is out there now,
01:37:51
Speaker
It's apparent in everything that we do. I've seen commercials. That I'm like. I haven't even talked about that with my kid yet, and here's a commercial on a show that he's watching on like any major network like Nickelodeon and you have to sit there and have a conversation afterwards that you're not ready to have your first. You're forcing a subject that doesn't need to friggin be talked about right now. Yeah. And
01:38:22
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I can remember just going through this series and sitting here and I'm listening to this woman speak. And the work that she does is godsend for all. Because there are not many people out there right now that are adults that can portray something like that. Well, we'll have to find out and post who she is to our socials because you can donate to their organization
01:38:50
Speaker
You and I've talked about her before. Yes. Way back in the day. It wasn't even that long. I think it was 2021 when her special came out and I can't like I'm sorry guys. I'm I could just got completely engulfed in trying to find it. She's not going to find it. I'll find it. I've got it. News flash. Anyways, the. The point that I'm really trying to drive across is.
01:39:21
Speaker
This is definitely not the same world we grew up in. Well, I have a real life story when you're done, too. Yeah. Well, I'm not quite finished yet. That's why I said when you're done, I have a real life story. I actually found it because they told me I couldn't and I was hell bent and determined on finding it was called Undercover Underage. And
01:39:44
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like literally just go watch the season for yourself and and see and listen to uh what this woman is describing to you and this is the things that your children behind closed doors with their electronics are
Impact of Crimes on Families and Society
01:40:00
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seeing because they are out there and they 500 500 million was the statistic that i gave you earlier half a million people 500,000
01:40:14
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Definitely got it. You're good with numbers, too. Talking. Well, we already discussed this. I'm I'm crap with numbers and you don't know the alphabet. We've already discussed this. Do we need to go back to your pronunciation of names? I don't think you know the alphabet either. Thank you very much. You want to talk about the pronunciation of names in any. Let's just go back. We're both. But we suck. Borderline intelligence. I got it. Inadequate, inadequate to do a podcast.
01:40:43
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But we have fun. You don't have to listen. Nope, you know, it's your fault. So anyways, I after I researched into the podcast and I got the 17 names, 17 guys that were arrested. And again, I could have spent all night going through all the charges of all the crap that they were. And I do want to interrupt real quick.
01:41:06
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These 17 names that were issued that we did read aloud from a news article where they were released in the public is a recent thing that happened in South Carolina. And there's no, I want, no, it's my turn. I'm talking. If you know one of these names and you know a wife, a brother, a sister, a child, a parent of these people,
01:41:35
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does not give you license to harass those family members because I guarantee it came out as just a big of a shock to those family members as it did to acquaintances, our coworkers, our people that just barely knew them because nine times out of 10, these people, especially online are very good at hiding it and
01:42:03
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The people's lives are destroyed by the actions of of a loved one. You know, they don't know the monster. They know the loved one. So they're mourning the memory of their family member and everything else with the fact that of what they did. Yeah. So, you know, what you need to tell them how horrible that person is. They have gone again.
01:42:26
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We're talking about debates that her and I've had where we talk about red flags Sometimes there aren't but that's what I'm saying. Okay, how many times have me and you argued? Over red flags like how did nobody know how did nobody know? Right and that's one of the things that I say all but you know what guys are realistically They're good at what they do. Yeah, and the deal is is you know what? I
01:42:49
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I mean, do like Lisa said cowboy up or whatever she said, do your own research. Look at the families like look at the numbers of suicides of kids and spouses after these people are outed like this. It is traumatic. It is
01:43:05
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It is a sucker punch to the gut that they did not see coming. They are trying to move on with their lives and spewing hate at them does not help. It just increases their self-loathing of themselves because they blame themselves as much as you're throwing your hate at them. So encourage them, support them, love them, unless it's shown without a doubt that they knew.
01:43:28
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Because the deal is, is a lot of times they don't. They found out when you did at the front page of a newspaper or an online article or a TV show. And they're just trying to pick up their lives, especially these these sick people. I'm going to throw it out like how many people saw on TV. And that was the first time they realized. And then they sit there and they think about their own kids. Yeah. Yeah. Like compassion is not a bad thing.
01:43:55
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No, because it's, you know, perfect. Not the same thing, but we talked, we gave a shout out a couple weeks ago to Ophelia. Mama taught on TikTok where her son was killed, right? Yes. The day before his 18th birthday, they caught the young man that killed her son. Right.
01:44:17
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And it was everybody's sending her all these messages on TikTok and all her social media is an email. I bet you're so happy. I bet you're so happy. So relieved. And, you know, she came out and she, the phone was on the ground. She walked up and she sat in front of it because she always sits down while she talked to you most of the time. And she said, you know, I just want to say one, I just want to say one thing here. She said, you know, a lot of you are coming out saying, I bet you're so happy, you know,
01:44:46
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She said, I'm not, I'm not happy. And she said, I'm not, I'm not, I'm processing. I am relieved that he was caught. And she was like, but here's the deal. She said, I'm a mother who's heartbroken that my son's life is over. I'm not the only one. His mother is heartbroken that his life is over because of the decision she's made. She went on this huge thing and basically said, there are two families in my community, mine and this young man's family that are hurting.
01:45:14
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We're both hurting. We both lost the kid different ways, but we both lost our kids. We both lost their future. We both lost any grandkids. And she said, so I'm not happy by any stretch of the imagination and you don't. She was like, I'm disappointed in the things that are being said about my kid, by my friends and by people in my community. And she said,
01:45:32
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I don't want to hear you talking bad about his family because it is not his mama's fault. And she is hurting right now. So give her a look. And I thought, how amazing is that? Like, like all of us, especially at a certain point of our lives, it doesn't matter how you grew up. No, you are responsible for your reactions that you make. And as a human race, as the people's we're always so self-centered, though, how to know what I want to say is stay in your lane.
01:46:00
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Stay in the lane. OK, because while you sit here and tell me 110 different reasons why you disagree with the way that I parent, I could tell you 120 different ways that I disagree with the way it's all about your perception of you. Yeah. And and nobody has a good self. You don't know. No. And the simple fact is. You can condemn someone, you can hate on someone,
01:46:30
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OK. Let me let me retract. You can condemn a family. Yeah. And you can hate
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01:46:40
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on a family. For the actions of one person, they did not have control over. I was just going to say, because we all have our own choices to make. And it doesn't matter if you brought if you were brought up in like the most epic home ever.
01:46:56
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You are responsible for the choices that you make in your life. And those choices affect those around you. There is not one choice that you can make in your life that is not going to ripple onto someone else. Correct. So that being said, but you can also support someone in their time of need without hating on the person that caused them pain again. We we've sat here and talked about the differences in other people.
01:47:27
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and the part of being a human being is being sympathetic to things. There are definitely things that I'm not gonna tolerate. When it's 110%, you took somebody's life, bite me. I don't really care what happens to you in the end. Whether you die, whether you, yeah, it's not the family's fault, right? And so whether it's a kid or an adult or this, that, or the other, you made a choice.
01:47:56
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And you reap the consequences for the choice that you made. And I think that nowadays that those are not the lessons we learn. No. But that's irrelevant. And I'm going to continue on if you don't mind now to the point you were making earlier when you started asking me a whole bunch of questions. So I went online and started doing a research for my zip code
01:48:23
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It just to see how many sex offenders were on the registry. Um, there were quite a few actually in my zip code. A lot of them were deported. Some of them were violent. Some of them were just sexual. Just, sorry, that was stupid. And some of them were crimes against children.
01:48:50
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And so Faith started getting on to make sure you want to know what I was doing. And I just randomly asked what her zip code was. I don't want to know. And I'm already paranoid enough as it is. No, you have nine, nine men. In your surrounding area. I know the closest one is two streets over. Yep. So that one that's violent, two violent, three violent. One of them is.
01:49:18
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inactive because he's dead now. So that violence against children would be the first that, you know. But another guy that's just all easily accessible online, tailored to your area. Yep. There's even a woman on this that says that her her deal was sexual. And then the last guy was violence against children, so.
01:49:48
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I guess what I'm trying to bring home is, guys, it's so easy nowadays. We sit here and we talk about, we didn't have the resources that we have now in the 80s, the 70s, the 60s, where kids are able to run amok and do their thing and get abducted.
01:50:14
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But now I feel like it's tenfold because they have such an easy gateway to get to your kids. And while we can sit here and say, you know, this or that against Faith's story, what the parents were thinking, what they weren't thinking, whatever, in this day and age, you have the choice to think. And you gave your kid a cell phone.
01:50:42
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And by not checking up on what your kids reading and researching in my mind is irresponsible. And Faith is covering her face right now because she knows where I'm going. My son does have a phone. He cannot download an app on his cell phone without asking permission through my cell phone.
01:51:07
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Yeah, that was the same way. He can't he literally he can't FaceTime anybody. It's it's not an option. Now, am I sitting here saying that it is lock and key? Nobody ever is ever going to get to my kid. No, because there's always a way that's naive. That's a nice thought process. Correct. You can't protect them 100 percent, but you can go. You can be the first line of defense like 98. Yeah.
01:51:35
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And I need you as a parent. You as a parent. First line of defense. Second line of defense is what you instill in your kid. Yeah, it got deep tonight. And again, you can hate what I say. You can hate what Faith said. But we're right now two people having a conversation arguing. And basically telling each other our opinions on things and in trying to understand
01:52:07
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Not just each other's point of view, but the world's point of view. But. Are you done? Are you ready for my real life story? No, hold on. Parents, I worked at a daycare for a really long time and one of the first things that I ever saw. And recognized after I had my son and it was after I had my kid.
01:52:32
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was the amount of parents who talk on their cell phones when they're picking their kid up, the amount of parents who put a tablet in front of the kid's face and they don't really talk. Car time is the best time. It's a captive audience. They ain't going nowhere. Right. And like I get your alarm. So why? You need a break. I get it. But you have got to ask your kid how their day went.
01:53:02
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What happened today? I'm sorry, that was. Well. That was a burden right there that I just let out. And now I'm going to sit here and I'm going to listen to your real life story because I give you a life story. And I think I've told you this before. Probably around 100 percent. You're so unoriginal. So this is a true story that happened to me.
01:53:29
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Just to show you because I remember everything in vivid detail. So I've not heard this story. Basically, what you're telling me is I'm about to get triggered yet again. So. We I grew up in Louisiana, I had a fan and I still have a fantastic, amazing above par mother and father.
01:53:49
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They would die for me to this day and they would lay in traffic to keep my kid from getting a cut. And can I tell you something else guys? As the single mom that became friends with their family that she married, they'd do the same for me. Yeah. My mom was the one that showed up when he were giving vertical teeth and ice cream to say it was a party. You know, your mom was one of the only person when I graduated college that got me a cake and
01:54:14
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I was like one of the first people in my family to graduate. Literally, my mom is probably the best person I know. Literally the best mentor I could have ever asked. And my parents always, you know, talk to me about stuff. But again, I grew up, I'm mid to late 30s now. So I grew up in early 90s.
01:54:34
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I don't know if I'm thirty six or thirty seven. I'm thirty six. I don't I don't ever remember. Jen's not here to tell me how old I am. How old does that make you? Well, depending on what you're older than me. So thirty seven. I'm thirty seven. Yes. So I grew up early 90s. I grew up in Louisiana. It was a different time. We played outside. We rode our bicycles for a mile to go to Dr. Chris's house to go swim and talked about it before. But I was homeschooled in first grade. Um.
01:55:03
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And my mom homeschooled us, me and both of my younger brothers, and we were part of a homeschool co-op. And we lived in Jennings, Louisiana, and there is a park in Jennings, Louisiana. It's got a huge walking track around like this huge pond. It's got playgrounds. It's got an amphitheater. It's got a little alligator thing where you can go in and hold the babies. If there's a worker or you can see the big alligator behind the fence, hold mine yard. Big thing.
01:55:27
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Everybody loved it. So my mom goes to meet all the, um, the homeschool moms and all the kids are playing on the playground. No big deal. So it is probably me to the house across the street. Any, like if you're on a street, look at the house across the street from you about that distance more than likely. Not even like half a mile from where my mom is sitting with all the mothers, all the kids are in between on the playground. And then on the other side of the playground,
01:55:53
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is the bathroom. So I'm in first grade, I can walk to the bathrooms by myself. No big deal, right? And so I did. And I came out of the bathroom and there's a pavilion right there where it's got like two picnic tables and it had like a, it had a, a roof and there's a guy sitting on it. And I've, I've said before, my dad's a pastor. A lot of people know me that I don't know. It's been my whole life like that, right?
01:56:19
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So I am very acquainted from an early age. People come up to two in the gas station. People come up to us in the grocery store, restaurants, high, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Everybody knows me. I just accept it, especially in Jennings because it's a very small town and it was the largest church in the area at that time. So I come out of the bathroom. I'm in first grade and there is an older man sitting on, he's sitting on top of the picnic tables and his legs are on the bench.
01:56:44
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And he has on like cut off sweat pants that hit mid thigh. And he had on like a dirty white t-shirt that had some writings. Like it wasn't dirty, dirty, but you know, it was like he'd work construction all day type of dirty.
01:56:57
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And I walked out and he said, Hey, how are you doing? So me, obviously he knows me or my mom or dad. Hi, how are you doing? So I'm talking to him. And as I'm standing there talking to him, he's sitting on the picnic table. He pulled his penis out of his shorts and it is just sitting there. I am eye level to it. I can see it. I can detail it for you, but it's too disgusting to do so.
01:57:18
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And I remember in that moment being in first grade and not knowing what was going on, but knowing it was wrong and knowing I was scared. And he asked me if I wanted to come help him get some toys out of his vehicle to bring to the playground. And I'll tell you right now, it was a guardian angel because I am first grade. I am not that smart, but I not only that, but
01:57:43
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We're like trained as children to help adults. We talked about that last week. Yeah, we're trained as women to to. So he did not make the whole penis thing was not overtly like he's not helicopter in my face, but he I clearly watched him take his hand, pull it out and had it sitting down his leg stiffening in my face. So he asked me if I wanted to go to his van, help him pull out some toys. And I did not want to do that, but my mom is not like
01:58:12
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If I shouted, she might hear me, but there's a playground in between us. There's lots of kids. I don't know what to do, but I know that I'm scared. I know it's wrong. So I look over at the playground and I see my two little brothers and we had a probably two month old German shepherd puppy named Jojo. We called him Jojo's name was Josiah. So I said, sure. Can I bring my dog? Can I get my dog? Can I go get my dog and bring my dog? And he said, yeah, well, which one's your dog?
01:58:40
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So I point to this little tiny black fur ball and I said, that's him, Jojo. He's a baby. I don't want to leave him too long. He said, yeah, go get your dog and then we'll get all these toys. I probably have a ball for you to play with your dog. It's perfect. So I went, picked up my dog, got my brothers and went and sat at my mom's feet for the next hour while she did a homeschool while her and the other homes would not play again, was too terrified to leave her. And even though I did nothing wrong in that, and thank God,
01:59:09
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whatever whispered in my ear to how to get out of that situation. I got out of that situation. I was not harmed. But I am 37 as we just calculated a minute ago. And it wasn't until about a year or two ago that I told my mom like we're on vacation.
01:59:27
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And we were having a few drinks. Well, I was having a few drinks. My mom's just sitting there, staring at me, talking to my best friends there. And because she comes on our vacation and we're talking about how I was like a terrified child. Like I could not sleep alone. My mom said that she always thought like we moved around too much. And I said, you know, there were just I said, there are a few moments in my childhood where I had a close call.
01:59:50
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that made me scared and I was scared. Like I remember laying in bed that night thinking he was going to find my house somehow and hurt me. And of course, you know, I went and got in bed with my little brother. Like he could do anything because he wasn't gigantic at that stage.
02:00:04
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And then when that wasn't good enough, my brothers have always been gigantic. They were just little and fat then. So then I got both of my brothers, both them up, brought them into my parents room. We all slept in their floor, which is pretty much what I did every night. Cause I was, I was literally a terrified child, but it wasn't until I was 35 that I told my mom what happened that day. I never did anything wrong. I didn't do anything wrong, but I knew in my, like, I knew in my mind and my spirit and my gut that that was a bad situation and it wasn't normal. It wasn't right.
02:00:34
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And even though I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't want to tell my mom and get in trouble. And that's first grade. That's before the internet. That's before cell phones. That's before tablets. So my point is these people can find a way to get to your kid regardless. And here's the deal. My parents had a lot of hard talks to me when I was older. They had the sex talk and all this stuff.
02:00:55
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but we say prepare your child now because if my parents had talked to me about bad people and them trying to do things and it not be my fault to always tell them I would have known that day got my mom pointed them out. My mom being the redneck warrior. She is what a bodily harder herself thrown him in the alligator pit and beat the crap out of him because my mom, you do not mess with my mom's children, our grandchildren, but
02:01:22
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All I knew is that I felt it in myself that this was wrong and somehow it was my fault. No one said it was my fault. It was legitimately lucky. But in my first grade mind, all I knew was this is bad and it's my fault. I'm bad because this happened and I'm gonna get in trouble and I didn't wanna get in trouble disappointing my parents. I've said before, it's like number one, I hate disappointing my parents.
02:01:47
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So it literally, that's the confusion. That's what we're talking about. That's the confusion when it comes to a child being exposed to something like that. They don't, and that's my point. That's why I say it's a real life story. And I'm giving it from the child because I can detail, remember every single aspect of that day until once I got at my mom's feet and sat down on the ground on that concrete pavilion,
02:02:12
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and had my arm sitting, like I could feel her leg on my arm. I was safe and I couldn't tell you what happened the rest of the day until I was scared that night. But the entire encounter, I was in first grade. I remember every single detail. My daughter's in first grade. My daughter knows right now, if someone tries to talk to you, you don't know. If someone that is not a family member or even a family member makes you feel uncomfortable, these are the things you do. You tell mom and dad, it is not you, it is the adult.
02:02:41
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Like, and do I want to have those conversations with my kid? Heck no. But I know what I went through is at first grade. And that was when the world was not better, but more protective of children or less talked about. Yeah. So I just tell you that from a child's perspective, not that I'm a child, but I remember it so deep. Well, I remember you have to have those, you know, and you've heard.
02:03:08
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Uh, when we lived in Boston and I told you earlier, we used to walk to school. Yeah. And I was always with my brothers. Yeah. And, uh, at one point there was a pickup truck that used to follow us home. And this person never spoke or to any of us, but he was always there. Yeah. Just being a creep.
02:03:39
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And, uh, I can remember just like not, not saying anything as a child, like, like, yeah, it was weird. Right. But without being like spoken to about it, you know, we always had those like their programs and.
02:04:00
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don't do drugs and all that kind of stuff. But like you know, when it comes to like, they talk, they talk about strangers. But again, we have that that conversation about strangers. Don't talk to strangers. But if something's going on, go to a stranger. Right. And so I can remember walking home with my brothers and that pickup truck following us home.
02:04:26
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And it wasn't until my mom recognized that this guy has been following us for a day or two now. Right. Second day, third day. It's weird now. Right. Yeah. So mom told dad, dad took the day out of work and sat on the stoop waiting for us to walk home that day. And my dad approached this man.
02:04:57
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Violently, no, I'm sure you're dead dead and was like what like, you know, okay edit What what the edit do you think you're doing? Yeah? Guys like I'm just on my way home from work, right? Yeah, sure you are the middle of the day My wife is seeing you for the last three days following our children home from school. Oh It's not like that. I just wanted to make sure they were okay. They were walking by themselves not your responsibility. It's not your responsibility
02:05:27
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And I'm sorry, guys, look, there's one. It's one thing to stand up for somebody in the heat of the moment, which is another point that I was going to drive home to you earlier was all the stupid TikTok videos. And I don't know if you've seen them. It's a social experiment, right? Oh, yeah, we've talked about that to see how people react. Right. So you got these people coming up to kids, fake kids, not fake kids, their kids, but acting. Yeah.
02:05:56
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And the only thing I can say or think to myself is how many times have they had to edit a video because that guy lost all of his teeth? Right. Like I cannot be the only one. Well, that guy, all the guy that you're talking about, the one I watch, he always goes to the parent first and says, have you taught your kids about stranger danger? Yes. If I approach your kid and say I need help, that is so not even that's the one I watch because these are the ones I.
02:06:23
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And the kid walks off with him after the mom's like, absolutely. He would never. You can go try and every time the kid walks off hand in hand. Yep. But the ones that I'm talking about, like the TikTok videos where they just they place a kid in a scenario. Right. And they have a man
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or a woman walk up to them and give them like the stupid. Oh, I've got a dog in my car. Oh, I got candy. I find my little girl. Come help me. Right. And
02:06:53
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So the kid automatically says, I don't I don't know you. OK, and it's always close by. It's there's always somebody within hearing distance. The amount of people who ignore it is intense. It's intense. And then the amount of people that hear it and then block the kid is awesome. Oh, but what I want to know is how many times
02:07:23
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Somebody has ever walked up to one of those people and said, do you like your teeth? I wouldn't even ask. I just come through Holland. Yeah. I don't I don't know. I just I'm just saying, guys, like it's a hard subject. It's a horrific subject. Oh, sweet Mary, that is a gigantic bug. Oh, oh, oh.
02:07:46
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guys. I don't see it. The gigantic praying mantis. It's a praying mantis. Hold on. Get it. I'll get it. Don't fling it at me. I'm not aware. Really. We've been here before. All right. He's gone. He's not gone. He's behind the monitor. He can fly up at any time and eat my face. Anyway, it's a hard subject.
02:08:08
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It's a painful subject for a lot of people. It's a triggering subject, but it's a subject you need to not be comfortable with, but you need to be aware of and take precautions for your own kids. And I think that a lot of people have a lot of experiences where
02:08:24
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Maybe that's like at that point didn't realize that's what was happening. And people probably have a lot of close calls that they can just like we both had close call. I have at least five off top of my head close calls. I do not. The first grade one is the one that is like burned into my mind because that was the most like.
02:08:44
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Avert like he pulled it out and I could see it. It was right there I can remember moving from Boston to Tennessee. Okay now guys, I want you to understand something My mom is an incredible mother and She always knew what was what she was involved in
02:09:08
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And when I was, you know, in my teens, right, like 13, 14, everybody else goes to the mall by themselves. Everybody else can go do this, that and the other and my mom. And so I'd sit there and scream at her constantly. Like, well, they can do ABC and then like it didn't dawn on me until I was later on in life, like my mother grew up in hell.
02:09:39
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Okay. She grew up in the era that we talk about all the time with the serial killers running rampant. Right. Faith. Are you home? Are you in there? Yep. I'm still worried about the pregnant. I don't even see it anymore. And I'll get it. Okay. Just chill. Anyways, again.
02:10:07
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Last generation, 36, 37. Our parents grew up in a very different time. And so they have deemed people as helicopter moms for a reason. Right? I'm okay being a helicopter parent. Yeah, I don't even care. I'm perfectly fine with that. So let's just end on saying, guys, do some research. Talk to your kids. Talk to your kids.
02:10:37
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Got them. Ask them how their day went. Build up that that trust in saying. If something happened at school today, I want to know about it and then use your discretion. And your own wisdom to find out if it was a big deal or not, right? Because kids overreact all the time.
02:11:03
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Whatever. All right. I just went parent mode. I'm done. We can talk about this until we're blue in the face because we are both very passionate about this subject. Passion about a lot of things, but there's a killer bug on the loose. And I have to work in the morning and I got to go work here in a few minutes because my boss keeps texting me even though it's 10 o'clock at night. I got to, I got to edit this podcast and get it put out tonight.
02:11:27
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The bug is gone. It is not gone. You put it behind the monitor. I swear. No, it flew away. It flew away. It did not. I tried. And it took off. Not a way. I watched you. You just pushed it behind the monitor. OK. First line is against my arse. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to give a flashlight out.
02:11:49
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Anyway, you guys, there will be a lot of links, a lot of information. I'm going to try to find resources to help you talk to your parents, your kids about these situations out there. And I'm going to post them on our socials throughout the week just to try to help educate you, put things in your hands for you and talk about things to your kids. You can educate yourself. It's uncomfortable, but you know what? You got to do it as a parent. It's a job. We love you guys.
02:12:18
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We're here for you. You need to yell, scream, vent. We do all the time. Yeah. So we just do it publicly. Yep, exactly. And I hope you guys maybe not enjoyed the stories because there's no enjoying these stories. But I hope it prompts you to action, whether that is to start having conversations with your own child.
02:12:41
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are to start to help resources in your area, our lobby for stricter rules against set of files. I'm all for it. Absolutely. And we will have the next two states ready for you in a few days. So sleep tight. Don't let the killer praying mantis get you. This out for me. It's gone. Hope you have better friends than Lisa who lie about what they do with bugs. So bye bye.
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Bye.