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House of Usher
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Our review of The Fall of the House of Usher
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Introduction and Intentions
00:00:17
Speaker
All right. Welcome back to Bright Central. I'm Doc back here again, as always, with Keck. And we are going to talk about Fall of House of Usher. We are. The Netflix series came out probably like a month ago now. I know we're kind of like getting around to it.
00:00:35
Speaker
But, you know, we've been busy doing other things and life kind of gets in the way of shit. So yeah, it does. Yeah, it fucking does. Yeah. So why don't we dive right into it?
'Fall of House of Usher' as a Masterpiece
00:00:47
Speaker
Well, I think we both we discussed this a little bit last night when we were considering doing a cast of it then. We both had some thoughts about the show that were like kind of like
00:01:03
Speaker
like a foreword we both had like some opinions about like for example I had said that um I felt that this this show I mean just at first glance I want to say I think this was a masterpiece and because it was so well done
00:01:23
Speaker
I would like to basically take every single episode and go into like a very detailed like you know not frame by frame by any means but like I'd like to go into like a very detailed like comparison to like
Podcast Format and Analytical Approach
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Speaker
what references they were using of Edgar Allan Poe's like you know poems and short stories that he wrote and like talk about the integration and like all the references in each individual episode like because I sort of feel like pulling the show apart and would be like doing it justice but because there's so much
00:02:07
Speaker
It would take us hours to really go through and like analytically present to the audience like every reference, every theme. There would also be speculations because you know there's stuff we don't even know like I'm not like a master of Edgar Allan Poe's like literature.
00:02:27
Speaker
So we'd even have speculation we could go into. And if we really wanted to, in fairness, we could probably do a full one hour cast of each individual episode.
Edgar Allan Poe's Influence
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If we were going to dissect it and talk about everything that happens.
00:02:47
Speaker
how that relates to Poe's writings and like all that stuff it's just not feasible and nobody wants to hear us like you know for the few people that do occasionally listen to us nobody wants to hear a fucking 8-hour podcast of like us like you know like a very like introspective like detailed like you know I mean like and what they were referring to here was Poe but um
00:03:15
Speaker
I did find one thing interesting that I just wanted to point out the end. We were talking about how Edgar Allan Poe, you had said, you know, whether you, how are you like in the show? I was about halfway through it.
00:03:33
Speaker
And I said, I think it's been great so far. I was like, you know, I think of Edgar Allan Poe, like, you know, years later saw this and saw like how his works like, you know, were being adapted in this.
00:03:46
Speaker
particular presentation he would be like really delighted and proud but then I was like well actually no because at the end of his life like he was dying from like withdrawing from both alcohol and opium and they didn't have proper treatment to help the alcoholics because they didn't quite understand like alcoholism withdrawal so like when Adagirl and Poe was dying he was dying and having
00:04:16
Speaker
brutal, uncedatable, mind-bending hallucinations that simply could not be stopped. The medical staff were writing about the terrors of this man's death. They were able to document it.
00:04:34
Speaker
When you're having those kind of hallucinations from like acute alcoholism and opium withdrawal Like you could sedate a person you could give them pain medication to make their body Physically sedated, but you're not able to turn off their mind So they are just going through brutal non-stop psychological hell until they finally kick the bucket
Personal Experiences with Poe's Poetry
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Speaker
And I thought that was very interesting because at the end of this show, not to jump all the way to the end, but I have to say it's the same thing that happened to our main character.
00:05:15
Speaker
Bruce was, he played Roderick Usher, but Bruce Greenwood was the actor that played him. And that's basically what happened to him as he was experiencing the last moments of his life. So that is the one thing that I wanted, like for me, that was like the most profound thing that I was able to detect. Like, you know, when talking about like Edgar Allan Poe was like the way like,
00:05:43
Speaker
you know Bruce Greenwood's character died like he was experiencing that uncontrollable no matter what he did he even tried to kill himself and like you know he couldn't commit suicide he had to die with these horrible non-stop uncontrollable
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Speaker
mind-bending hallucinations that, you know, lead into the epic climax at the end. But I know I jumped like ridiculously ahead, but like, I just wanted to point that out that that was probably, aside from the Raven, that was my favorite part of the show where, you know, it, you know, compares to
00:06:24
Speaker
ground pose life it wasn't actually stuff that Poe wrote about although I'm sure his alcoholism did affect his work obviously but like it was what he didn't write what actually happened to him the way they showed it in the show not to over explain it but that was my favorite part about you know pose like you know his work being involved in this I thought it was amazing so
00:06:53
Speaker
after saying all that. What were your initial, uh, feelings? Yeah, I mean, uh, I was gonna say the only reason, other reason we're not gonna do a deep dive is because I haven't, like, read Poe since, like, high school. Well, yeah, that's obvious, like I said, you know, but there's a few poems that I'm sure that you'll remember, I mean, because they're very popular in, uh,
00:07:18
Speaker
just random, popular television, for example. Oh, yeah, like, yeah, when they would... The Simpsons Halloween episode, where Lisa has the telltale heart. Remember, she, like, sabotages the kids' science project, and she hides it underneath her house, and, like, she keeps hearing, like, his science project, and she's like, I can't stand the beating of that heart, you know what I mean? So, like, there's certain poems that you know, you know... Oh, yeah, I mean, I might...
00:07:47
Speaker
You know, you know the telltale heart, you know, those are just yeah, but obviously yeah That's another reason why we couldn't do it. I mean we're just not that dedicated this podcast is just me and Doc Bullshitting just talking about the stuff we would normally talk about to one another on a Friday or Saturday night if we happen to see each other and
00:08:10
Speaker
But like, you know what I mean? We're not so dedicated that we're gonna go back and become like po-experts. You know? Because personally, I'll know about you. I hate poetry.
00:08:22
Speaker
Yeah, I just want to point that out there. Poetry, like I love English lit class, like English lit journalism of all like the classes I took in high school. I love journalism. I really enjoyed writing papers and trying to like prove
00:08:40
Speaker
my point or you know argue a particular position like I love that but like part of like all that English Lit would be like the poetry section and I just want to stay home just like you know could you just dock me like 10 points and I'll just try to get a 90% so I can hold the A grade and you just like you know not have to make me sit for like the poetry section I hate poetry that I just want to put that I fucking hate poetry
00:09:10
Speaker
You know, I respect certain poets like Blake, like, you know, Poe and William Blake. I even like some of Jim Morrison's writing, even though he was not a very good poet. But like, you know, there's a lot of poets I have respect for, but I hate being produced. Yeah, I've always had a hard time like, you know, just reading or understanding a lot of poetry as well.
00:09:38
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I mean, the one that I, you know, did like was Poe, but like, yeah, any other stuff, I'd be like, yeah, I'm not really into this. But like, yeah, I mean, like you were saying, I definitely recognized a lot of the stories in there, even if I wasn't like,
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fully like remembering exactly what happened in the stories. I'd be like, oh, okay. I remember this story from Poe's work. Yeah. Yeah. You get like flashes like, oh, I remember. Oh yeah. Like in, you know, seventh grade and miss Carlton's class. I remember like somebody doing that. And I, um, another thing that just to quickly mention, if you remember, um,
00:10:16
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our friend Jamie and our friend John when Jamie was in college Jamie had to give a presentation I think he was doing a class where they were discussing the Canterbury Tales and before the class he had to read a poem just him up in front of the entire class he was nervous about it so to help Jamie we know him as minor he's been on the cast before our friend John
00:10:44
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read the poem and recorded himself reading it to the background of the intro music to the classic horror movie Ravenous. And Jamie listened to it over and over and over again
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and was able to recite it flawlessly due to that. There's been some cool moments in poetry for me, but in general, I just hate poetry. I was thinking, because of that, maybe I wasn't going to feel it that much, because there's a lot of
00:11:22
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particular parts where Bruce Greenwald's character will directly read poetry. In the narration, he just reads poetry. And when he started doing that, I was like, oh, so I'm going to have to deal with this throughout the course of this show.
00:11:43
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I gotta tell ya, I really didn't mind it. I mean, first off, Bruce Greenwald read it very well with conviction, yet he wasn't overly enthusiastic. So there was confidence.
00:11:59
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you know he was going through dread so he read the shit like very like you know on enthusiastically like he had a hint of misery in his voice he was feeling raspy and whatnot so like you know i was actually like whoa you know this is actually really fucking cool
00:12:23
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Yeah. Uh, so why don't we, uh, get into it, um, before it, uh, back me up there now. No, I gotta know. I like, I get it. Like, uh, yeah, felt that jam as well. Yeah. Yeah. Like I was like, Oh great. He's reading poetry. I don't understand what the fuck he's saying right now. Do you agree that it helped the show or could you have done without that part?
00:12:46
Speaker
Oh, I think you have to add it in when you're when the whole show is based around post work, you can't just not have, you know, direct quotes from it. I feel like it wouldn't make, you know, I think you could not have direct quotes from it. I disagree. I think they could have gone in a totally different direction.
Narrative and Themes of the Show
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But what I'm saying is, despite my hatred for poetry, I thought like hearing the poetry during the show,
00:13:15
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really added to it um i enjoyed that very very much and you know at first i was thinking like you know what the fuck but it really worked out in the end i was just curious if you felt the same way yeah i thought i think that worked for you or could you have been like eh i think they could have went in a different direction i mean i could always go without poetry but i think it definitely
00:13:40
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I think it definitely helped. I was just looking for like a response, but on we go. You want to like just kind of like introduce us to like the central theme and plot. Yeah. Well, if you're unfamiliar with the show, obviously it's based loosely based on Edgar Allen Poe's work and a lot of his not only the based on Fall of House of Usher, but also a lot of other stories.
00:14:09
Speaker
But this is Mike Flanagan's last Netflix series before he... Yeah, so we consider this a trilogy. This is the end of his trilogy with Hill House Blind Manor. I mean, did he call it a trilogy? Like, do you know how he felt about this? Or is this just like his third and final work for the company Netflix?
00:14:33
Speaker
Well, wouldn't this be his, like, fifth show? Because he did Bly Manor. These are the three I know. He did Midnight Mass. Honing in a Bly Manor. Honing of Hill House. And the Midnight Club. Yeah, I never saw Midnight Club, and I never saw Midnight Mass.
00:14:54
Speaker
I thought we talked about Midnight Mass. Have you not seen Midnight Mass? You need to watch Midnight Mass. No, I'm not saying we didn't discuss Midnight Mass. We very well could have. But it might have been a cast where you had seen it and I did not. And I was just asking you questions about it. So it was sort of like an interview where I was like,
00:15:20
Speaker
you know asking you your opinions and how you felt about it because we've done that before when you had something that you passionately want to discuss and I had not yet seen it sometimes you can actually you know get more information more coherent information because we have a tend to go a little incoherent at times especially myself
00:15:42
Speaker
you can actually sometimes get more substance when you have one person that you're, you know, another one that is simply asking you, like, you know, very, I don't know, like, like the questions that you would want to know before going into something like to determine whether or not you would like it.
00:16:07
Speaker
So, you know, I was just like kind of interviewing you. You are giving me your book report, basically. So that's what we may have done with Midnight Mask, but I have no recollection of
Real-life Parallels: Usher and Sackler Families
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ever seeing it. Maybe I thought you had seen it, but you should definitely watch that one. That one's really good. I thought Midnight Club was a little depressing and it was a little tough.
00:16:26
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to get through. I think all everything was a little depressing. I thought Hill House was a lot bit depressing. I thought Boy Manor was depressing. I certainly thought House of the Usher was depressing. Midnight Club's about a group of kids with terminal diseases that are like
00:16:47
Speaker
dying and they get together at midnight i have absolutely no recollection of that so if i'm telling you what it's about because i know you just said you hadn't seen it yeah you're interrupting me but uh i am
00:17:05
Speaker
trying to explain to you what it's about. You're like, all right, I've never seen it. It's like, yeah, I know. Well, I'm trying to think. Well, you're saying, like, you were pretty sure that I saw it. No, I thought he saw Midnight Mass. Yeah, I don't think so. Midnight Club is different. Anyway, regardless, this would be his fifth series, so it wouldn't be a trilogy at all. Anyway,
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But yeah, it would be five. What does that a true? No, what would be a five? Really related to each other except for like house a blind manner and a house of
00:17:43
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and Haunton of Hill House just because... Yeah, but when we used to look at a video store back in the day, we would label if some of our favorite actors weren't in there, we would put triple Carradine, doublegassed, something like that. We used to label stuff like that, so I was just wondering what a five piece would be. But yeah, they're not all directly related, so anyway.
00:18:09
Speaker
a collection of stories i don't know but anyway uh so yeah like i was saying they're all loosely based on various works obviously the most famous i'm not the most famous but the one that's based on the title but anyway it's uh it's a non-linear narrative set between like uh you know jumps back and forth between like 1953 and 2023 and it's uh the rise of power of the uh
00:18:38
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Bruce Greenwood's character, Roderick Usher, he's a powerful CEO and corrupt pharmaceutical company. And his sister, Madeleine Usher, the genius CEO of the pharmaceutical company and the events leading to the deaths of all his children and then him and his sister as well. And then it has like, you know, most of the people that you've seen in other
00:19:06
Speaker
Flanagan pieces, it's a lot of those recurring characters and like- Well, I have a question for you. I wanted to know what your opinion was about how they modeled the fall of the House of Usher around the Sackler family and the people that are responsible for, I mean, we don't,
00:19:34
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Well, I mean, Carla points out the end that we're not even ever really going to know how many people they're responsible for killing with the, if you want to call it inadvertent.
00:19:48
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But like, you know, she says I think in terms of body count, you know, you're up there and she goes through all that. What was your feeling about them using the Sackler family as like the representation of all this? I thought it was very interesting. Yeah, I thought it was a very well done. I mean, I don't know a whole lot about the Sackler family. I didn't watch any of those like documentaries, but I'm aware that they were like, you know,
00:20:16
Speaker
the, you know, directly involved with like the opioid crisis. Yeah, I mean, they're responsible for like, I mean, they are at least in part responsible for the deaths of like, a lot of my friends. So like, you know, I obviously have, yeah, I guess, for someone that's never like, you know, really had like a problem with opioids, or, you know, been involved in that, like, you've never had any trips to rehab or anything like that.
00:20:46
Speaker
So, you know, I guess in my you might not take it as personally as I do, but like, I mean, I definitely have Richard Sackler on the street. Have you ever seen any of the pieces about the sack? Like, for example, there was a recent show with Matthew Broderick. You know, like I said, I never watch any of the shows or documentaries. I know there's a couple I'm like, yeah, there was one with
00:21:15
Speaker
What's his name? Batman. First Batman. Yeah, Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton, called Dopes. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir. First Batman was Adam West.
00:21:26
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Yeah, you never saw Dopesick then either. So the Sackler family was like a real freshy to you. Well, I thought it was fucking awesome that they decided to do that. I'm like, I was kind of thinking like part of the way through, like are the Sacklers going to try to take legal action against them?
00:21:46
Speaker
And like you know I mean because I also thought it was interesting because they went with legadone I was thinking like they should have just straight-up said Oxycontin like I think they should have just went with it because you know It's an opioid derivative. It's you know one of the things that Poe was addicted to for most of his life so like you know is an Oxycontin like a name brand and
00:22:14
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Oxycontin is actually a formula for what they did. I mean, if I were to start going into it, like how they made this, we would, we would go into like a 15, 20 minute sidebar, but like,
00:22:30
Speaker
I was just wondering if it was like a name brand like Band Aid. OxyContin was the name but the brand was under their pharmaceutical company which was Purdue Pharma. In the show Purdue Pharma was called, what was the name of their company? Fortuna.
00:22:48
Speaker
Fortuna, so instead of Purdue Pharma they went with Fortuna and instead of Oxycontin they went with a drug called Ligadone, which is supposed to be its equivalent, but just very quickly Oxycontin was like basically they took oxycodone and they made like a much more powerful
00:23:11
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much more potent, much more addictive version of oxycodone that was not supposed to be used to treat minor or moderate pain, but the Sacklers marketed it as a non-addictive opioid when I can tell you from experience
00:23:33
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I've talked to people I never experienced OxyContin. By the time I started getting into that stuff and dabbling, OxyContin was pretty much off the market in its original form.
00:23:46
Speaker
I've talked to dozens of heroin addicts that told me that they preferred OxyContin over any heroin that they've ever tried before. In some areas it was called Hillbilly heroin, but everyone I know that was around during that time and was actively using OxyContin
00:24:26
Speaker
Like, you could become addicted to OxyContin or Ligodone, in this case, after only a few uses. Less than a week on the drug could get you addicted. And the literature that pharmaceutical reps for Purdue Pharma, or in this case Fortanda in the show, went out, they went out and said that only less than 1%
00:24:36
Speaker
or even mainlining Oxycontin.
00:24:51
Speaker
recipients they call them receptors people that take the drug less than 1% become addicted to it that's what they did in real life and obviously that's what they did in the show so I know you don't know that much about this but people need to put that into perspective like this shit that they did this happened in real life
Usher Family Dynamics
00:25:16
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Yeah, I'm fully aware of like what happened in real life. I just never took like a deep dive into it. I wasn't trying to go too deep but I mean when you think about it like this was the marketing research was faked and like they actually like described this as a totally not is the most addictive medication like that's ever been on the market really. I mean, yeah, yeah, well while watching the show like I was like, holy shit, like this is like
00:25:47
Speaker
what happened in real life, yeah. I can definitely get that.
00:25:50
Speaker
parallel without having to like deep dive into like any documentary or whatever I was like for me it just helped because of the rage because when I hear it like I was watching the show and I was really liking it but like whenever I think about the Sacklers like I get real angry so like I was watching this show like constantly mad like if you saw me there was a scowl on my face the entire time even though I was loving it
00:26:19
Speaker
Like I was angry as fucking hell every second. Yeah. Well, uh, why don't we, uh, do you want to kind of break it down a bit? Um, well, first I want to mention like the, uh, the way it's kind of presented. I really enjoyed where it's him, Bruce Greenwood and the, uh, his old time rival, the district attorney, uh, kind of sitting in his old childhood home, which was like, you know, decrepit and abandoned and it's him telling
00:26:50
Speaker
the story and, you know, releasing his burden about like how everything has happened over the years and how his six children have died, which like they think it's all just been like accidental and everything. And he's like, no, it's not accidental. This this all happened. They're all connected. I kind of like that aspect of it where they're they're having the conversation. It kind of reminded me like, you know,
00:27:14
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Tales from the Crypt a little bit where he would like, you know, introduce you to the story and then it would go back and tell you the story. And like, so like, I liked that, that kind of like, because they almost felt like individual, you know, um, it could have been like a anthology series in a way. And like, they were like the overarching thing, but at the same time they all connected because each episode kind of follows, like, it jumps between like him as a, you know,
00:27:42
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younger man coming up in this pharmaceutical company, you know and like he just had like a wife and kid and like and him and his like Sister trying to like, you know get through life and having to deal with this Also ideas had been also plagiarized. Yeah, I said stolen his idea Which is actually sort of something that happened in the early days when Sackler was but yeah So yeah, a lot of this was all based on shit that really happened
00:28:13
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And then it goes, and then it also jumps to, uh, and it shows each child and like how they like.
00:28:22
Speaker
kind of, you know, all their fucked up, you know, shit that was going on in their life and how they ended up dying. And like, yeah, we talked about that, but they were all an interesting thing. And I'm not really sure how this contributed to the story. I guess maybe they were trying to talk about Richard.
00:28:44
Speaker
Sorry, I'm calling him Richard Sackler now Yeah, I'm calling him Richard Sackler that might happen but um Which McCall I'm not sure what it was meant to represent Exactly like I have some theories but all of it well just about all of his kids had some weird sexual kink and
00:29:12
Speaker
You noticed that. Some of it was really extremely sexually kinky. They wanted to highlight it. I think only one of his children was actually a straight heterosexual male. Even though he was a straight heterosexual male, he was a fucking psychopath. He found out that his wife
00:29:42
Speaker
went to this orgy he didn't she didn't do anything he didn't know that she did anything i mean she may have done something she may not have but up until events that unfolded and acid dropping from the ceiling up until she was
00:30:04
Speaker
horribly injured she had not done anything unfaithful to him unless you consider her going to the party itself
00:30:14
Speaker
an act of unfaithfulness but like he was fucking psychotic like he was absolutely enthralled by the prospect that his wife could have been unfaithful to him so I would consider that some form of like sexual deviance in the aspect that he's like very self-conscious about like his
00:30:43
Speaker
ability to perform sexually and to sexually satisfy his wife so all of his kids had some sort of kink in the realm of like their sex life and so it went from like just you know sort of like low-key things people that like to be involved in threesome to full-on fucking constant orgy parties
00:31:10
Speaker
well lots of bisexuality with multiple partners and then there was the really weird thing um the husband and wife where they would hire a prostitute and the wife would uh one of ushers kids uh the character of uh tamarind
00:31:34
Speaker
Uh, she would actually hire a prostitute to fuck her husband while she watched, but the prostitute would always come in during dinner and play her part as a wife, and they would first have, like, just normal conversation. And then they would, like, you know, how was your day, hon? How was this? How was that? And then they would, like, go up to the bedroom where she'd be like, alright, now I want you to fuck her in the ass or something.
00:32:04
Speaker
So, you know, it went, I, I thought that was, I'm not exactly sure what that was supposed to represent. Well, we should mention that, like, uh, the, you know, the Roderick Usher, like all his children, only Henry Thomas was his, uh, son from his first wife. And then like, he had multiple like partners. So like all his kids.
00:32:31
Speaker
were you know from different mothers and like but he didn't want to be like because let's just start from the beginning where like his mom like had who was like a secretary for the guy at the company and like you know had cheated on or had sex with the boss and the boss wanted nothing to do with the family and like so yeah he didn't want that to
00:32:58
Speaker
become like his children's who he would welcome everyone into the family with all these different affairs. So he had all these different kids from different backgrounds and stuff. So I think that might have played a part on a lot of their upbringing with their
00:33:21
Speaker
promiscuity, or I'm not saying that right. Promiscuity. Promiscuity, yeah. It's a tongue twister. But yeah, that's a very good point. But he points out in the beginning, he tells the lawyer when he's going into the intro to the larger narration of the story, he says, you know,
00:33:40
Speaker
If they're mine, they're mine. If they have my blood, you know, they're welcome as, you know, regardless of who their mother was. But the children themselves, they did not feel this way. The children themselves, like they considered only his first wife to be his real wife,
00:34:03
Speaker
The children he had with his first wife to be the legitimate heirs of the Usher Empire The nicknames that they had for some of the others were like they call them the bastards I believe if you remember at that point they said, you know, they call us the bastards and like, you know, although
00:34:26
Speaker
although Roderick did not feel that way, the children, they judged themselves to different standards. They felt that some of them were superior than others. And a lot, well, not all of them. A lot of them got along and liked each other, but for some of them, they had terrible, malicious intent. Well, he also gave a lot of them a really hard time.
00:34:55
Speaker
Uh, and so kind of pit them against each other a lot of times too, you know, maybe offering $50 million to, yeah. Uh, do you want to talk a little bit about that? Oh, yeah. So yeah, it kind of opens up with the, uh, then taking court and, uh, the district attorney reveals that that like one of the children is a mole or whatever, and it's about to spill a bunch of information.
00:35:23
Speaker
And well, spoilers, there is no more. Spoilers, there is no more. Yeah, I kind of thought that the whole time. Did you thought that too you were able to? I was like, oh man, he's putting them against each other? Yeah. I was like, oh, let's fucking.
00:35:36
Speaker
Evil. Just wouldn't work. And one thing I just wanted to bring home because I'm afraid I'll forget it later because like I said like I don't even know where to go from here because I don't like you I just mentioned the mother who first off a great scene they bury the mother they think the mother's dead their original mother they bury her alive. She didn't want any.
00:36:04
Speaker
she didn't want any medical attention or ever anything so that would just not job she thought pain was being close to Jesus yeah like no she thought pain was like she was a religious fanatic told us that and they
00:36:23
Speaker
and she ends up ripping out. I didn't know. I thought she might have been a ghost or something like that, or like a zombie when she came out of the ground, but she then goes and kills what's-his-face.
The Supernatural Element: Verna
00:36:36
Speaker
But the one thing I wanted to point out is that Roderick Usher's character, his sister Madeline,
00:36:45
Speaker
seems to have a very vivid recollection of when they first met Karla Gugina's character who was Verna's name Verna, which I didn't know until looking in the credits for. She has a very vivid recollection of the talk they had in the bar, and I believe it was 1979 going into 1980.
00:37:13
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So it was right at the time of New Year's Eve. They sit down, they have a conversation with this woman at the bar. You're never really clear on what Carl is supposed to be. But the point I wanted to make is that Madeline Usher
00:37:29
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has a vivid recollection when she sees pictures of Carla later on who they think is like a stalker who might even be like on this some slick assassin trick that's like, you know individually assassinating each one of the kids or
00:37:48
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Roderick Usher claims that he does not remember her. He does not remember that conversation. And Madeline is very frustrated saying you must remember it.
00:38:01
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He was experiencing some form of denial. And denial was also a big factor in several of the characters' psyches in the haunting of Hill House. And it's just something that I made a note of. And I'm not sure if he really didn't remember that conversation in the bar because
00:38:25
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It was very brilliantly done. What is your opinion on what Verna was? Do you think she was a demon? Do you think she was an angel? Do you think she was a genie? Because that seemed like it was the closest to what she was a supernatural force. And she also... I wouldn't say genie, because gens are more evil, but not demon-like.
00:38:54
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and a genie is more like a, you know, kids' stories in a way. A powerless character allowed them to commit, I mean, first off, she goes way back. Like, she is like this, she manifests herself as the raven that certain parts that they see her as. She also is ageless and they show her in pictures dating back
00:39:23
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I think all the way to the early 1900s. I'm not sure if there was a picture of her in Hitler, but I know that there was a picture of her and leading Nazis around the time. And she talks about how she worked with many influential people over the years, but she says in sheer body count,
00:39:44
Speaker
Rodrik Usher and the Usher Empire are up in the top five in terms of, and she also says that they could actually become number one because of the ongoing opioid crisis in the planet. So that was, and you know, they uncover like pictures of her with different people like over the years. And when they leave that bar,
00:40:12
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on new year's eve going into 1980 after agreeing to her contract i mean that's they were signing a book i mean that's like remember if you remember the movie the witch uh they believed that like pax with the devil you always sign their book it was like a common thing and like they gave like a verbal consent they basically said you know she said to them you will become
00:40:42
Speaker
some of the most famous people on earth. You will have legal issues, but no matter how much evidence they have against you, you will always slide on the charges. You will live very long lives.
00:41:00
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But once you get to the end of your lives, that's it. Your entire bloodline, no matter how many children you have, they will all die before your eyes. And when you die, you will be the last of your bloodline.
00:41:17
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And, you know, dude, you're not going to forget a conversation that you had with someone like that. And then it all starts to come true in a few years. And when they left the bar that night and turned around, the bar wasn't even there. It was like an abandoned building, remember? And I think there was a crow.
00:41:43
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That was like flying around like right on top of like the a bit.
00:41:49
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Whoo! I gotta tell ya, I thought that was just a masterful introduction. And it wasn't even, that's not even the full intro. I mean, you know, that's like maybe one or two episodes in. I feel like that was like midway through. Yeah, they don't actually show the conclusion to that conversation until they only show like bits and pieces of this bargain that they were making with this entity.
00:42:18
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they don't even show the, uh, you know, the climax to that conversation till maybe the episode before the last episode. Yeah, I don't know. It was definitely farther in there. And like the thing is like, I mean, I know like he probably didn't take her seriously, but like he already had a kid at the time when he agreed to that. So like he like, even if like,
00:42:47
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you know, somebody like if he didn't have any kids and he was like, yeah, all right, whatever. I'll agree to that. Like, yeah, it's whatever. Like, I can I can do this. But like, he already had a kid. So he's already damned this one kid, whether you believe it or not. Remember, you already believe it. Even if they didn't believe it, though, remember, she knew things about them that there's no way that she could have possibly known. Yeah.
00:43:12
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about how they just, like, you know, right out of one of Poe's stories, murdered their boss and started... I can't remember what the procedure was called. It happened a lot during, like, the Spanish Inquisition. It was where you are chained up and you are bricked in and left to die of starvation and thirst.
00:43:38
Speaker
There is a name for that kind of death punishment, but I'm not aware of what it is. But anybody listening, you can see it. The guy is in shackles and they're using mortar and bricks to basically build him into the wall to seal him off. The only thing he will have
00:44:00
Speaker
for the next 72 hours till you would feasibly die of thirst would be his own screams and thoughts and things like that.
00:44:10
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Although I believe she mentions that they also gave him cyanide. So I think she says he'll be dead by morning because of the cyanide. She talks about how he knew nothing about Merlot. She like talks about how he act all rich and fancy. He actually didn't know shit about shit. But Carla, she knew that they had just murdered him.
00:44:34
Speaker
and she like was totally cool about it she was like you guys did just murder your boss like such and such can't remember the guy's name i would find it
00:44:46
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very hard even if you didn't believe in any of that stuff I would find it very very difficult not to take Carla's character seriously at that point yeah yeah I agree yeah and it seems like Madeline really took her seriously you could tell she looked into her eyes and
00:45:11
Speaker
I don't believe Madeline ever had any children. Did Madeline not sure ever have any children? I don't think so. And she seemed to really take her seriously, and they don't say necessarily, but that may have been the reason that Madeline decided not to have children, because she took that so seriously.
00:45:35
Speaker
Because what are the repercussions at that point? You're gonna die of old age anyway. As long as you don't have any kids, you know, no one else is gonna suffer. And I guess Rodrik, he must have not taken her that seriously, like you just pointed out.
00:45:52
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He already had one child, and he decided he was gonna have a bunch of other women shit out way more of his kids later on. So, I mean, that's really being like a selfish prick, unless you make the argument that he just did not take her seriously, or because of the trauma of the evening, maybe, like, psychologically, his brain was, like, suppressing those memories.
Tragic Journey of Juno Usher
00:46:18
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That's a possibility, I guess.
00:46:20
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Yeah, I think they mentioned that like, he's like, over the years, he just thought it was like, it kind of slowly became like a dream, because he was like, yeah, at the time, and like, yeah, that night. So it was like, over the years, we I just thought it was a dream. But then, you know, everything kind of, you know, came true or whatever. Yeah. I don't know, like, how long you want to go and like, you want to
00:47:04
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if they haven't seen it yet they're immediately now like pausing this or just you know chucking this cast out the window to go watch this show now because you know if we're describing a masterpiece but there was something we discovered right before doing this cast when I wanted to know what else
00:47:12
Speaker
talk about each of the children and now they die.
00:47:25
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Juno I guess Juno Usher she was She was Roderick's latest wife. I can't remember how many wives he had but He finds her and she's like not only his wife. She's kind of an experiment Because she is like the poster child for Ligadone she was taking you saw what she took for breakfast in the morning and
00:47:56
Speaker
I'm going to assume that those were supposed to be the equivalent of OxyContin 80 milligram tablets. Dude, she took like 30 of those fuckers. And that was just that breakfast.
00:48:10
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She must have had some kind of condition in her brain where her opiate receptors just did not process opioids normally and she was able to survive on them. Dude, if you took the amount of oxy she was taking in one day,
00:48:28
Speaker
and pump that directly into the heart of a fucking killer whale, that whale probably would have died. That's how much shit she was fucking consuming, but right before the cast, I wanted to see what else she was in because she looked familiar to me, and then you did some research, and you found out that she was actually in a really brutal car accident where she had her leg amputated,
00:48:56
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I don't think it was a car accident. She was in an accident that required her leg to be amputated and you're going to have to then deduce that she was probably on a lot of painkillers.
00:49:15
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the evolution of her character, I thought was amazing. But you found out some other information about her and how she's a brand new actress, right? Yeah, she's only been in like the three things were all, you know, Flanagan related. And she was like a
00:49:34
Speaker
a Tiktoker. Well, she was like a makeup artist and barber than the pandemic kit, and she lost her job. And then she started doing TikTok videos. First, they were kind of funny, then it was about like disabilities. And then she had like over 600,000 followers. Is that something like that? Yeah. And that's incredible. I think it was like 250 something thousand followers. Yeah, it was ridiculous.
00:49:57
Speaker
Oh, I thought you said it was over 600,000. I thought you said it was like 647,000 followers.
00:50:09
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through TikTok for that. And then once she started the casting process for, what was it? I think might've been Midnight Club. Midnight Club, I believe it was. Yeah. That's the first one. Yeah. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole cast. She deleted her whole
00:50:35
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and then the only other credit she has on her IMDB profile is Creep Show and she was only on one episode. Yeah, that was the newest season as well. Yeah.
00:50:49
Speaker
So yeah, her first thing was last year. So yeah, she has only been like acting for a year. Yeah. And everybody in the show like hated her. They were like, why are you here? For no reason. They just hated her because she was a junkie. They saw her as a junkie whore. Now, let's be honest, she was actually a junkie whore. Her character had prostituted herself.
00:51:16
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for heroin and things like that and look.
00:51:21
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You know, fucking addiction, especially opioid addiction, it's disease. People do extreme things to get their next fix. So she was by no means unique, but she had totally turned her life around. And she even wanted to get off of the, even though she was having like a total stable reaction to the amount of ligadone she was on.
00:51:48
Speaker
She still decided, you know, I don't want to be a slave to anything. Everybody hates me. Like, there was one scene that was particularly emotional where she was with Tammy, right? That was the one we were talking about.
00:52:06
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Tamarind, I don't know, it's a fucking kind of weird name. But she was talking about how she never had any family and she was so happy that she was belonging to someone because they were literally leaving her alone in that house.
00:52:24
Speaker
24-7, Roderick was barely ever there. It was just her alone in a mansion. Everyone hated her, everyone underestimated her, everyone treated her like dirt, and she turned out to be like the sweetest, most kind-hearted human being there were. She was better than any other one of their characters.
00:52:49
Speaker
when it just came down to being a good person, she had a better soul than any of them. Except for maybe the granddaughter, but yes. Except for maybe the granddaughter, but we don't know because the granddaughter mysteriously... Well, I guess she has to die, right? Because she was part of the bloodline, even though she wasn't actually... Well, did she have to die back?
00:53:16
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Yeah, because she was part of the bloodline. She was part of the bloodline because of Roderick's son. I was thinking of Roderick's son's wife who got burned by the acid.
Technology, Legacy, and Immortality
00:53:36
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She wasn't part of the bloodline, but in order for them to have a child, yes, she did have to die.
00:53:44
Speaker
Yeah, she like even Verna was like, I'm sorry that this but this has to happen. I don't understand why people don't understand what bloodline means. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then like, tell her what she does. Yeah, what happens in the name of her death and everything and how what the positive impact on our life, everyone's life is because of everything. And she like they don't really explain like how like she ended up dying, but it was like very peaceful.
00:54:14
Speaker
Yes, he was the last one I believe to die and like because the um When Roderick and the prosecutor are talking in the old house He says, you know that his granddaughter just passed away and the prosecutor doesn't even believe him The whole time and it's like oh, yeah, it was like part of the like some AI
00:54:43
Speaker
process. Yeah, that they never got right. And, you know, the process that was working on because she wanted to live forever. They talked, they were talking about like programs that she was trying to do. And like, it kind of makes sense on like why she was trying to create that when she had, because she
00:55:02
Speaker
believes Verna was saying that like, hey, you're going to die. She was like, all right, well, I'm going to find a way to live forever forever. Yeah. So it was something in the works. Yeah. They were constantly trying to cheat Verna out of her rules. They were constantly trying to find a way to circumvent the contract that they had.
00:55:25
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and they were constantly trying to figure out some way. I mean at one point Madeline even convinces Roderick to commit suicide by taking a whole bottle of Legado in 80s and like you know that would have killed him like extremely quickly. He powers them down with that cognac he has. That cognac it's uh
00:55:53
Speaker
The cognac bottle, it's a four million dollars bottle. It's made out of gold and diamonds and the cognac had been aged over a hundred years in oak barrels. It's something that they point out several times the quality of the cognac because Verna later goes through the history of the cognac too.
Mark Hamill's Character Arc
00:56:14
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I'm not exactly sure what that was all.
00:56:19
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about the why they kept mentioning how good the cognac was but i mean there was something there but um i want to move on to something that we've so far completely overlooked and i wanted you to kind of take the lead on this is it mark camels character the attorney yes i was just about to say i want there was one more character i want to talk about before we wrap things up and that was
00:56:46
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Mark Hamill's character and he deserves he deserves a little while we need to discuss this man because this is the I mean this might be some of the best work I've ever seen Mark Hamill do yeah
00:57:03
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, because you don't normally see him in these. I mean, I love his voice acting. He's an amazing voice actor. Yeah, he is. Like I had seen Mark Hamill in a role that I would, you know, for me considered to be like a real serious role. Like I've seen them in these terrible remakes of Star Wars that they've been doing and stuff like that. But I haven't seen Mark Hamill in a role where I'd say like, you know, you know,
00:57:34
Speaker
This is like a very powerful character in very creative, complex drama. And I don't see Mark Hamill really being cast for those kind of roles. At least I can't remember another point in his career where he was cast for this type of character. Can you? No, I mean, yeah, outside of Star Wars, I mean,
00:58:02
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he was cock knocker and james on bob shrike back and then he was in a movie called the giver i believe do you remember that it was like an old 80s like sci-fi movie where it was like real i can't remember exactly what happened
00:58:17
Speaker
But, you know, it was like Mark Hamill is, you know, the guy for and I mean Mark Hamill's also done like a lot of like spoofs like I've seen him on like Saturday Night Live where he played like Einstein or something. I don't know. He was on like he was on like a ski mobile or something like that or snowmobile and he was doing something. I'll it might have been an episode. I think it was actually an episode Jimmy Kimmel.
00:58:45
Speaker
where they did some spoof skit for a movie he was in, where he played Al... Yeah, it was Jimmy Kimmel, now that I think of it, where he played Albert Einstein, and he says E equals two skis squared, or something, but the point is, up until very recently, I had only really seen Mark Hamill doing comedy work.
00:59:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Rachel Solomon, Burt Kirshner's The Machine, where he plays Burt Kirshner's like dad and stuff. And that was like a comedy action movie. But yeah, I haven't seen any like real like hardcore drama stuff. He was tremendous in this. And do you want to talk a little bit about the expedition he was on? Because they never he you know, he is one of the best lawyers on the planet because obvious. Well,
00:59:33
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Well I guess due to Verna he could not lose but they consider him to be one of if not the best attorney in the world because like he just never lost a case. They say he has the power of a half dozen of the other best lawyers in the world.
00:59:56
Speaker
Um, so, you know, he's incredible, incredibly successful, but up until like midway through, I think we found out, uh, we looked over it last night. It was episode six where, uh, Roderick, Roderick is explaining to the prosecutor exactly who his attorney is and what he had been through because
01:00:23
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The prosecutor makes a joke and says, I guess he's the type of guy you call when you accidentally kill a prostitute. He mocks him, you know, calling him kind of like a fucking, you know, bottom-feeding asshole. But he's like, oh no, he is nowhere near that boring.
01:00:44
Speaker
Yeah, he's like the most trusted like member. Like I would say he's more trusted than most of the family members for Bruce, Bruce Greenwood for Roderick. I mean, and yeah, so like the talk about it. Yes. Yes. So at one point, like he like tells him like, oh, there was like a huge like when he was like 25 Hamels character goes on this expedition like around the world and at one point
01:01:14
Speaker
and he was like I used to like he would get up to a point where like he would love to tell stories to the kids but he would get up to a point where he would never tell them like specific details about him and they used to like make up stories about him he was like oh I used to think I used to like to think that he like
01:01:30
Speaker
He's killed somebody and he's tasted flesh and everything. He's like, I want to believe that he's eaten human flesh. Like, he's that much of a badass. But then there was this thing about like this mystical island he finds. Yeah, called Ultima Full.
01:01:52
Speaker
And he claims that it was like home to a race of creatures who lived beneath us out of time, out of space. And like, I would watch an entire series just on that expedition. They may be those aliens we see with the big heads like they, they once in a while come into our space. Like, yeah, I would, if they wanted to make a spin off,
01:02:16
Speaker
Make like a raised by wolves type of like sci-fi like get Ridley Scott involved or something like that. I Would rock the fucking shit out of that, dude Yeah, I mean it kind of sounds familiar a little bit to like something like, you know Lovecraft's work of like mountains of madness with like an expedition to the Arctic and they find this hitting city and it's like, you know these ancient beings and stuff like
01:02:42
Speaker
Yeah or even something fabled that you would hear like stories that the like cave drawings that they found in like old Aztec ruins that show like this strange place that uh you know people that have analyzed it
01:02:59
Speaker
can't really place, like they were living in the lost city of Atlantis or something like that, or something that went extinct. We know that Pompeii existed, but the volcano
01:03:19
Speaker
kind of made everybody there unavailable for the rest of existence. So a lot of the history of that got destroyed. But this kind of reminded me of something you might see.
01:03:33
Speaker
ancient cave paintings or something like that like this island where these little weird people like you would find this and like ancient where they call it Sanskrit or something like that. You know what I mean? I just started watching the new Apple TV series monarch legacy of monsters, which is set in the world of the Godzilla and King Kong. First, you're going to bug a little bit.
01:03:59
Speaker
First two episodes are out. No, I just want to mention how like they do like You know like I like how they tie everything to like miss mythical beasts from like oh Yeah, like from the different regions. They're like yeah, I'm chasing you know I'm a cryptozoologist or whatever like I I'm hunting like miss mythical beasts and stuff like that so I
01:04:26
Speaker
Yeah, that's what they're called. I don't know why, but the way you said that sounded really funny to me. Yeah, I mean, because those people are funny because they're always funny Bigfoot and shit like that. But in this case, they're, you know, they're hunting, you know, these, you know, like the
01:04:46
Speaker
This one character, who I don't know the actor's name, but he was in Workaholics. And he plays a younger version of John Goodman's character from Kong Skull Island. And he's hunting these mythical beasts. And they find, they're like, yeah, I'm searching these patterns of what they called a dragon in the Philippines or whatever. And this is the path that leave behind this radiation or whatever.
01:05:13
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but yeah
01:05:27
Speaker
Why Russell, uh, you know, Kurt Russell's son, he plays a younger version of Kurt Russell on this. So Kurt was offended that you asked me if I knew, I know every, everything that every offspring that Kurt Russell has, like anything that could be known about Kurt Russell.
01:06:04
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I pretty much know.
01:06:14
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was one of
01:06:17
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I don't know for certain, but I think Kurt Russell might have actually been piloting a plane, saw all those lights and he radioed it into air traffic. I don't know if he was a passenger in a private plane or if he was actually controlling the aircraft itself, but I know he reported calling into air traffic control and saying like,
01:06:45
Speaker
There's these beings up here like this in the sky thing, you know? And he was in the thing which dealt with, you know, creatures from, uh, from beyond. So in the, in the Arctic. So yeah, it all kind of ties.
01:06:59
Speaker
But yeah, we need to talk to Kurt Russell. That's something I really like to do before I die, is sit down and have a conversation with Kurt Russell. I think Chino once, didn't Chino like write a letter to Kurt Russell saying he wanted Kurt Russell to pay for a tattoo of Kurt Russell that he was going to get on his back as a fullback?
01:07:25
Speaker
about later I'm pretty sure I'm right but Mark Hamill's character was amazing yeah yeah and like yeah I was saying like I would love to watch a series just on his expedition and him you know meeting all these creatures but yeah I thought he was he was phenomenal in this and like she and Verna offers her the deal at the end was like hey you can get away with a scot-free but like you know I'm gonna
01:07:48
Speaker
you know, take your life at some point down the line or whatever. And he's like, she asked what he has. It was a very interesting thing. She didn't say necessarily, I'm going to take your life. She offered them a way out. She said, you know, you're either going to die in federal prison
01:08:07
Speaker
watching the fall of the monstrosity that you helped create, or I can get you out of this." And he asked, you know, what's the catch? And she said, what do you have? I thought that was very interesting because he then says, I have nothing. And she's like, well, you must have something.
01:08:31
Speaker
And I'm just paraphrasing here, but he then takes a pause, a breath, he looks her dead in the eyes, and he says, if I were to do that, I would be compromising myself. I would be giving you leverage. Leverage is weight. Leverage is something that no one has ever had on me.
01:08:57
Speaker
A compromise that I've never made in my entire life. And regardless of the consequences, I'm never going to allow anyone to have leverage over me. Which, I mean, just that line there gave me chills. And the fact that it was Mark Hamill
01:09:22
Speaker
that was the brilliant actor portraying this lawyer who did these terrible things for these terrible people but is still a man of great principled integrity and Mark Hamill fucking executes the role to a fall. It really that kind of touched me right there. That was a very powerful moment at the very end of the show and of course like
01:09:51
Speaker
She said it comes to pass. He goes to prison and he dies there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought he knew he deserved it. He knew. Yeah. He knew what just as everybody else knew that there was going to at some point, well, at least, you know, um, Roderick and Madeline know.
01:10:13
Speaker
They knew that at some point there was going to be a reckoning because of the bargain they struck, and although Mark Hamill's character doesn't strike a bargain with her, I think that was supposed to symbolize that he knew when he got involved with the Usher crime family.
01:10:37
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that he was making a bargain in of itself. That by getting in bed with these people at some point, they would most likely be either legally weeded out or the townsfolk would come with torches and pitchforks and lynch him. You know, that's how I interpreted that as. Did you have a different take on it? No, that was...
01:11:06
Speaker
Yeah, well, very well put. That's exactly as well. Yeah. Yeah. Since he had, you know, you know, been to the pole and seeing these creatures beyond space and time, he knew that like she was something, if not one of those types of creatures, something similar and was like, yeah, I'm not falling for this. You know, I like I'd rather fucking die than, you know, whatever plans you have for me. I'm going to stick with like I knew what I was doing this whole time and I'm going to. Yeah.
Favorite Scenes and Recommendations
01:11:36
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software consequences for it. So yeah, I thought it was, yeah, I thought that was very, very well done. Yeah. And I mean, there's so much more that I could talk about. I know that we're missing out on a lot of stuff. I just wanted to go over a few of my favorite scenes. The I believe it was episode four, entitled The Black Cat.
01:11:59
Speaker
where the one son who... I don't know his situation because he was... I thought he was gay, because he was dating a man, but in the beginning scene, when they introduce him, he's a video game producer. He doesn't make them, but he produces video games. He like fronts the money, and it shows him getting a blowjob from a woman when his boyfriend's on the way up.
01:12:28
Speaker
I thought that was like really strange. I don't know like his whole like personality But one of my favorite scenes was how he starts going crazy Kind of you know You know he's chasing this black cat that no one else can see and he has like Thor sledgehammer And he's just going wacko in his apartment with it knocking down all the walls people like please
01:12:56
Speaker
What are you doing there? Like, what's wrong? It reminded me of that episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia where the cat gets on the walls and Charlie's like, ooh, cat on the walls. Now you're talking my language.
01:13:09
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And I thought, see, I thought that what was going to end up happening is that because Verna was able to make you hallucinate in all these different ways, and I thought that he was going to murder his boyfriend with that hammer. I thought she was going to make him look like the cat, and he was going to murder the cat by murdering and then commit suicide.
01:13:39
Speaker
But it turned out a little bit differently. But that was one of my favorite scenes was when he goes crazy with the big sledgehammer. Another one of my favorite scenes was in the nightclub when they're going to demolish it. And they did the pendulum on... I can't remember the...
01:14:06
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Actors name Henry Thomas from uh, you know 18 Okay. Yeah, I can't I couldn't remember his name, but yeah, he uh falls victim to the pendulum. Yeah My favorite scene was probably the in the one of the first step But probably the first episode where the he's about to have that orgy and he wants to have like the water come down You know, it was like they you know had like
01:14:34
Speaker
that he wants to have the party in one of their old plants. He was like, oh, you're shutting this plant down. Maybe I can throw a party there. And it's like then he's like, oh, we're going to have the water rain down when we have this orgy. And yeah, it's and like the acid comes down and fucking burns everyone. I kind of saw. I was like, I kind of saw that coming. And I was like, oh, I bet it's going to be acid that rains down the water. I did too. But
01:15:04
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I mean, that was one of my favorite scenes and one of my least favorite scenes at the same time. But yeah, I thought the pendulum was really well done.
01:15:18
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yeah i mean it's a really well done show so yeah there's there's just so much more we really could talk about and i know we're probably missing a ton of like classic moments that yeah like we said in the beginning we're not doing a deep dive so yeah but i think you know if you haven't checked this out yet um
01:15:40
Speaker
Unless our tastes are very different. I think that this was one of the best horror series that I've seen in At least the last three or four years at least I would say since maybe haunting of Hill House in terms of horror series I think that this has probably been my favorite in quite some time and
01:16:08
Speaker
So it's definitely up there. But yeah, yeah, that's pretty much all I have. I mean, the only thing I would say is you have to say it. Yeah, yes, definitely. The last thing I do want to mention before we go is his next project. Mike Flanagan is called Life of Chuck.
01:16:33
Speaker
Uh, I believe it's a, I don't know if it's a series or a movie. I think it's a movie, but it's got like Tom Hiddleston, Matthew Lillard, uh, Kerry Gillian, Mark Hamilton. Yeah. Me as Sarah. Um.
01:16:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's about like a life-affirming, genre-bending story based on Stephen King novella, about three chapters of Life of an Ordinary Man. Oh wait, interrupt real quick. I'm so, so, so sorry about this, but I have to fucking put this in there. Otherwise, I would have been pissed off. Carla Gugino is 57 or 58 years old. That's all I want to say. I'm done.
01:17:16
Speaker
She looks fantastic, but I don't know why you brought up her age. I, because she is such a fucking ridiculously beautiful woman. Yes. I just have to, you know, she's one of my all time favorite, talented, like just all out. I mean, I'm in love with her and I just wanted to point out that she, she could pass for like 25. That's all I wanted to say. I have to mention it. It's Carla, man.
01:17:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I just wanted to mention his next upcoming project. And then after that, I believe he's still working on the Dark Tower series. I thought the Dark Tower series was his next project. That's what I thought, too. And then I read about this and I was like, oh, wow, that's got a fucking huge cast and it's based on Stephen King. So say the name of it again. I'm sorry I interrupted you. What was the name? The life of Chuck. OK.
01:18:13
Speaker
So yeah, that'd be interesting. I believe that's his next piece while he's also working on I believe I don't know if they've already filmed that or it's just says in production. So yeah, he's killing it I gotta tell you uh, he does very little wrong for me. I mean I didn't particularly enjoy hunt um haunting of blind manner but um
01:18:36
Speaker
I think that's the only one I didn't really enjoy. I still enjoyed it. I'm not, no, I'm saying like, I didn't think it was a, like, I wouldn't probably watch it again. But like, if someone asked me, should I check it out? I would say, yeah, I would definitely check it out. I would just say, you know, it wasn't one of my favorites. So she hasn't got anything I thought that was like a piece of shit.
01:19:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's because Hauntonville House was so good that the expectations were so high for Bly Manor. It started off very strong and then it got real weird, but we already talked about this. But in terms of Fall House of the Usher Total Masterpiece, I can't recommend it highly enough.
01:19:22
Speaker
If you haven't seen it, definitely watch it. And if you have seen it, maybe go back and watch it again. And if you find anything that you thought we really terribly missed, you can always comment on Facebook if you're into those type of things. But yeah, I mean, really, really check it out if you haven't yet. It is fantastic. And that's all I have for tonight. Anything else?
01:19:52
Speaker
Yeah, I just want to recommend, you know midnight mass again to you since yeah Yeah, definitely and the life of Chuck and the dark tower Things to look forward for to yeah, I'm always looking forward to whatever he's doing next. Oh, yeah Strike is done like these. Yes come out sooner. So I
01:20:13
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully everything's getting back on track. Anyway, thank you guys so much for joining us. Kevin, it's always been a pleasure and we will catch you next time. Peace. Peace.