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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - New Mexico & North Dakota
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.....And we are back again! The stories being told today are very twisted, and user discretion is suggested. If you are sensitive to Domestic Violence situations, please skip the New Mexico episode and go straight to North Dakota.
New Mexico (0 - 1.02.46) Faith is taking us on a crazy story filled with conspiracy theories, crazy twists and a horrid ending, with the heartbreaking story of Girly Chew Hossencofft who did everything right, and still lost.
North Dakota (1.02.47 - 1.39.52) Lisa tells another heartbreaking story of Anita Knutson which we are just now waiting for the resolution to, years later.
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Transcript
Introduction and Remote Recording
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, hello again and welcome to another episode of Twisted Tales. This is Faith. This is Lisa. And we're going to remote again. So we are remote again. See how this goes. The sickness will not leave our houses. No, no, it will not. But I blame you. I blame my husband. I was going to go there too, but it's easier to just blame it on you. Oh, wow.
00:00:30
Speaker
I have a mosquito sitting on my my arm right now just sucking out my blood you know they make mosquitoes spray for that kind of thing right yes but it's really it's like cool to watch almost but now he's gonna die okay bye bye all right well i have got a story for you my friend you always do i'm just gonna tell you this one's it's almost like every time we have when we have to record this podcast like i go to bed angry
00:00:56
Speaker
Like, it's not fair, honestly, because I feel like you don't have quite the same reactions. Well, you like everything tied up in a bow. I like the drama. Ah, that's true. I really like the drama. So I picked the drama. And buddy, did I hit the motherload tonight? Well, snap. So where are you
The Mystery of Girlie's Disappearance
00:01:17
Speaker
tonight? I am in New Mexico, which I skipped if we go alphabetically. And I am going to tell you this story.
00:01:25
Speaker
girly to huff and cough okay first of all i want to say that faith has done very well relearning her alphabet so things are getting better um second of all i would like to say that it sounded to me like you said Hufflepuff and i know that's not right so can you say that again huff and cough get your head out of harry potter huff and cough it's not not harry potter okay all right so our story is going to start september 10th 1999
00:01:55
Speaker
at 8 a.m. And we are starting at a bank. The bank tellers who are already at work this day are getting worried about their coworker, a lady by the name of Girlie Chuhastenkopf, because she's late and she has never, ever been late before. She didn't call anyone and tell anyone she was arriving late. No one knows why she's late. So while it may not call every single time, you're going to be a little bit late. OK, bro.
00:02:24
Speaker
I was going to say, well, it's not, wouldn't be a red flag for anybody I work with because I'm fully like used to, um, like they just automatically assume this point, like school zone was just a madhouse. Like, yeah. I used to draw a circle on the whiteboard and told me I had to stick my nose in it. Like I was a child. Um, and she's like, I mean, it's 8 AM. So like what she's maybe 10 minutes late at this point, but even though it's still very early,
00:02:52
Speaker
And I don't think it's a big deal to be, you know, one or two minutes late to work. There's a factor weighing in here that we are not aware of yet. Gurley's best friend, Ernie has been calling the bank ever since employees started to work, get to work to see if Gurley had made it to work. Ernie is obviously something suspect is already happening. Right. So Ernie is worried because she has not been able to reach Gurley since the night before. And the two are best friends. They talk on the phone literally every single night.
00:03:22
Speaker
There's some extenuating circumstances and she has not been able to get in touch with Gurley no matter how she tries. So she's been blowing up her work boat. Gurley's boss, Kathy, at the bank tells Ernie not to worry. They're going to help find her. So Kathy calls Gurley's home. No answer. She calls Gurley's cell phone. No answer. Calls the home, calls the cell phone back and forth. No answer, no matter what she does. Finally, one of the coworkers named Jesse says, you know what?
00:03:52
Speaker
I'm going to drive over to girly's apartment and I'm going to find out exactly what's going on at this same point. Kathy calls the police to report girly missing. Now I know we always talk about it. This is a soft, like the whole 24 to 48 hours rule, but a 10 minute later work is a bit excessive to call and say, Hey, she's gone. Right. So I guess depending on the circumstance, right. So she's only 15 minutes late to work. And like we said, there's really not that big of a deal with the missing piece of the puzzle here.
00:04:20
Speaker
that her friends and our co-workers are aware of that we are not is a man by the name of Diasin. I practiced his name so many times and now I can't pronounce it. It's D-I-A-Z-I-E-N, Diasin. And he was really, really- It's not just Dyson. Dyson. Yes, that's it. Dyson. Dang it. Anyway, Dyson. Sorry.
00:04:43
Speaker
I kept thinking die as a PM, like the medicine. And I knew I was going to do that. And I did get that nurse mind out of here. We don't need that. Right. So this man dies in is her ex-husband and he is extremely bad news. He has been following her harassing her. He's threatened to kill her. And girly is so worried about the situation. She told her coworkers literally like a week or two before.
00:05:08
Speaker
that if she was ever late to work for any reason that she did not let them know to call the police right away because her ex-husband has more than likely gotten for her. Okay. So this is what they know. She's late. She's only 15 minutes late, but girlies told them if I'm ever even five minutes late, call the cops. So they followed her warning to the letter of the law. However, the police are not taking this very serious because she's only 15 minutes late. Literally she could have gotten caught in the traffic, behind the train, whatever.
00:05:37
Speaker
The intake officer tells them, listen, we can't even file a report at this point. It's just too soon. And even though Kathy continues to push and push, they end up basically ending the phone call because it's just too early for the police to
Dyson's Suspicious Activities and Police Investigation
00:05:51
Speaker
be involved. After hanging up the phone, Kathy receives another phone call pretty much immediately and it's from Jesse and he is at Gurley's apartment. He says that her car is parked outside and the door is locked to her apartment no matter how much he bangs and yells and calls
00:06:07
Speaker
She's not answering, not the phone, not the door, nothing. Jesse tells Kathy that he's going to go find the superintendent of the apartment and see if he can get inside and check and see what's going on, what the situation is. So that's what he does. And when Jesse finally gets in the apartment, he notices that the apartment is locked, but only at the doorknob, like where you can lock it and walk out. The deadbolt is not locked, which is pretty suspicious because Gurley was literally terrified of her ex-husband.
00:06:35
Speaker
She would have never left the door locked and unsecured like that. Yeah. So Jesse and the superintendent go inside and they start calling out for girly, but obviously she doesn't answer. But the apartment looks normal. It does not look like a struggle's happened. There are a few, like they said that almost looks like wet stains. And basically it looks like a water had been spilled on the carpet and cleaned up, but nothing major. Wet stains. Yeah. Like it looks like just a water stain on the carpet in a few places, like,
00:07:04
Speaker
There's two or three places, not a big deal. That was literally the only thing they saw. And Jessie and the super continue to look around. They check every room in the apartment, but there's nothing out of place. No struggle, no nothing, right? Yeah, but no girly. But no girly. So back at the bank, Kathy is continuing to call the police department over and over. On the fourth time, trying to get anyone there to actually listen to her words, because she keeps trying to explain there's an ex-husband, there's restraining orders.
00:07:33
Speaker
The fear girl he's been living in with the death threats, everything. And whether she finally gets through to them or they're literally just sick of her calling, they say, you know what? We'll send an officer to look into it. And side note, you've heard the saying squeaky wheel gets oil, right? Absolutely. All right. Same situation. If you like someone, not you, but listeners are youth me, but if someone, you know, goes missing, you are their advocate.
00:08:00
Speaker
So you harass that police department until they literally like, you know what, we're going to do it just so you'll leave us alone because that's what I would do. And that's what Kathy did. And literally girly's not even been missing an hour and they're sending out a police because she just won't stop. So just, just a side note, but the police decide to send a unit over to girly's apartment for a welfare visit. And as they're going to more than likely, they've said, send someone out to check on the ex-husband when they arrive at the apartment.
00:08:27
Speaker
The officer meets the superintendent and he tells them. So he tells them, Hey, Jesse's here. We've been in the apartment. We've checked everything. There's literally nothing out of place, no struggles, but he, he does tell the officer he knows that girly is a victim of domestic violence. And he knows that girly moves to this apartment complex and specifically pick the unit. She picked the hide from her ex-husband. And so he's like, this is a serious situation. Nobody besides.
00:08:57
Speaker
close friends and family knew she lived here. We didn't, we didn't put her name on the mailbox like nothing. So the officer then at this point realizes the threat that the ex has been actually is. So at this point officer realizes that the ex has been present a real and, and current danger and threat. And that's where he needs to go and he needs to check. So the officer arrives at Dyson's house and the scene is absolutely completely polar opposite of Gurley's apartment.
00:09:27
Speaker
The front door is hanging wide open and the house is like, what's left is like ram shackled around, but basically everything's gone. What? He is super sus, right? Yeah. So, and they decide to go talk to neighbors. So a neighbor says, yeah, you know, just a few nights ago, a moving truck came and packed up everything. Dyson said that he was moving to
00:09:52
Speaker
Mexico to be closer to the facility where he's going to be getting cancer treatments because he has cancer. Dyson is not a new name to this police department. He's been on their radar since February. So for about six months at this time, and he's on their radar because girly, when she left him, she filed a domestic violence charge. She filed restraining order. Um, the domestic violence charge was not the first time she's done this. And he was actually only a few days away.
00:10:22
Speaker
from standing trial for violating the restraining order she had out against him currently, which that being said bothers me that it like it took so much for the police to go check. Like it'd be one thing if they know what though like in in like I'm sorry in our natural world.
00:10:38
Speaker
That's kind of what it's like. Oh, a hundred percent. It is when it comes to domestic violence. They have to hurt you before anybody. Well, yeah, but it's not even just that it's stalking. Yeah. Like there's like nothing you can do about somebody that's stalking you. Yeah. And they, but that's the thing. Like people had to call and call and beg and plead to get them out there. But then they knew that he was like on trial for violating restraining orders. He's filed multiple
00:11:04
Speaker
domestic violence charges against them. And so the first time they called, I feel like something should have been done, but that's just me. The whole stalking and domestic violence thing just, well, I mean, assault, assault in and of itself is not, it's not a huge deal. You know what I mean? And it doesn't matter if it's a crime between two men, a man and a woman, two women. Yeah. Assault is just not, it's just not a huge deal. That should change. So when the officers,
00:11:31
Speaker
start to put everything together, they decide, you know what, we need to go back to the apartment and look around Gurley's apartment and see what's going on. So that's what they do. And when the officers walk into the apartment, they have years of crime scene experience that Jesse and the superintendent did not have. And when they look at the water stains on the carpet, they know that that is not water stains. That is a blood stain.
00:11:57
Speaker
Interesting, because I was actually I was going to ask you if it was bleach. Okay, see, and this is what bothers me too. It says that not only that they see those carpet stains, that the smell of bleach was permeating through the apartment. So you know that there's a smell of bleach and you just get that stuff burns your nose like they had to smell it.
00:12:21
Speaker
So why they're like, oh, everything's fine, I don't know. You know, it's like, you know, you walk into a fresh, when you walk into like a freshly cleaned kitchen and you're like, ooh, that smells clean. Like, you can tell when somebody's using a harsh chemical to clean something. Yeah. So why the superintendent and Jesse were just like, oh, everything's fine. Dude, you just smelled a ton of bleach. Something was cleaned dramatically. Yeah, no kidding. But this tells them one very disturbing thing that someone has tried to clean up
00:12:50
Speaker
some kind of evidence of something that took place at that apartment. Right. So the crime scene techs arrive to do a deeper look into the apartment. And when luminal is sprayed on the apartment, it lights up like a fricking Christmas tree that the griswolds decorated. Right. Okay. Someone has lost a lot of blood in that apartment. And it's not just those wet spots, those three or four larger wet spots, but smaller spots that literally cover the entire apartment.
00:13:18
Speaker
Okay, so while police are processing her apartment just a few short hours after girly was called in missing by all her friends and About a hundred miles away. There's a highway employee that is driving down a remote stretch of road doing like cleanup of trash and whatnot and He sees a blanket up on a hill. So he parks his truck and he starts to walk to the blanket and
00:13:41
Speaker
But as he gets closer, he realizes it's not a blanket, it's a tarp. And then as he gets closer and he notices blood on the tarp, but honestly, it's not concerning. The area there in New Mexico is a big hunting area. It's like some kind of deer season and that it's the exact kind of tarp that a hunter would use to like wrap up a deer and bring home. So he's not really thinking much about it. Mainly his main focus is I need to get this tarp and I need to throw at my truck.
00:14:08
Speaker
because if the wind picks it up, it can land on a vehicle and cause a huge accident. Like that's his whole focus, right? So as he walks towards the tarp and gets closer, he sees duct tape, like balled up in the tarp and hanging off the duct tape is long strands of hair. There's more duct tape that's like wadded up with blood on it. And then there's very small clothing items with blood on it everywhere. And he said it looks like a child's clothing.
00:14:38
Speaker
but he's a man, so a child's clothing and a five foot, 110 pound woman's clothing probably look kind of the same. So he knows something's wrong and he's concerned about safety. So he gathers up everything, puts it in the back of his car and drives it to the police station to show him what he found. Basically completely breaking chain of evidence and the crime scene, but besides. I was just gonna say, you literally just corrupted everything. Everything, everything, you idiot.
00:15:09
Speaker
Yeah. Not funny, but dang. Okay. He probably thought he was doing the right thing. Well, I mean, and his, his main thing was like, he was worried about safety. Like that was his big thing was the tarps to blow up when I get it. He's not trained. He's a highway cleanup person. That's what he does. But I mean, I know you don't do that. I know you call the police and you wait because you just get the jackpot on. You're in kind of crime junkie and you're not, you know, sit there and completely insert yourself in that investigation because
00:15:38
Speaker
Everyone wants to solve a crime in real life, but that's fine. I digress. Um, so police at this point are trying to locate Dyson and they're having absolutely no luck until about four days after girly's disappearance, when they start receiving phone calls from three different people who are receiving threatening calls from Dyson. So the first is Dyson's divorce lawyer.
00:16:03
Speaker
He is calling and ranting and raving and screaming and swearing and threatening the divorce lawyer because girly was divorcing him. That's the first person there is a neighbor who had given a statement to the police when they were questioning, when everything first went down. Basically she was like, listen, I saw him like a day ago before girly went missing and he was decked out completely in camo.
00:16:30
Speaker
He had like black grease paint all over his face, but then a moving truck came and he was gone. And so this neighbor thinks that Diasen found out that she gave a statement about him because now he's calling, screaming, threatening, harassing her. So she's scared. The last is a woman named Bonda, who is the director of an adoption agency.
00:16:54
Speaker
And it's the same adoption agency that was used just a few weeks prior by Dyson when he placed his son up for adoption. Are you serious? Yes. Yes. There's a kid involved. Three-year-old little Demetri. According to... So, Tana, is that Dyson and Gurley's... Well, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you about that. Three-year-old little Demetri, according to court records, on August 26, just a few weeks prior to Gurley's disappearance,
00:17:22
Speaker
Gurley had gone and signed away all parental rights to the boy. So hang on to your butt because this is where things start. Oh, it's not anything you're thinking. Things are fixing to take a weird turn. Was it her bio mom? Well, we're fixing to give you the deets here on Little Demetri because this is where things, I mean, let's just, I can't even prepare you. Okay. So according to Gurley's friends,
00:17:51
Speaker
She and Dyson had been trying to have a baby and get pregnant and they were having a lot of problems for a few years, right? But adoption was not really on the table. Girlie wasn't super comfortable with that. And you know, I get that when we were having trouble getting pregnant and everybody was like, well, you can adopt. No, that's not what I want to hear right now. I understand that's an option, but that's not comforting. No. Yeah. So that's where they were when Dyson came home from a business trip one day holding a one month old new baby in his arms.
00:18:21
Speaker
You know, like people would surprise their spouse with a puppy. He walked in and was like, surprise. Here's a baby. What? Yep. Dyson told girly, the little boy Demetri had been orphaned in Mexico by a friend of his. So he stepped up to help, which let's just be honest. That statement does not pass any kind of smell test in the United States. We're in 1999. This is not like 1920 when you're like, Oh, Hey, I found a kid. I'm going to bring it home. This is 1999. You don't just.
00:18:50
Speaker
go to another country and like, Ooh, I like this one. I'm going to take it home with me. Come on. Right. That's not how that works. I have a friend that adopted from another country. That is not how that, that that is not the situation. No, no, no. We definitely don't go to the pounds to adopt children. It doesn't, it does not work that way. Correct. So back to current days, Dyson told Vonda, so this is what Vonda is telling the police.
00:19:15
Speaker
Um, Dyson came in and said that he was dying of leukemia. He only had a month or less to live and he could not care for Dimitri, which is why he was putting her up for dots. And she said that like, why he's doing this, he's literally like coughing up blood right there in front of her. He's clearly very thick. However, during the adoption process, you know, normal legal adoption processes, blood samples are taken from both of them.
00:19:43
Speaker
medical history, family history, all this information is taken from both Diasin and Dimitri. And there are two very important things that are learned through these tests. The first Diasin does not have leukemia. Like he's told people, his blood tests came back clean. He's healthy. Okay. The second Diasin is not Dimitri's adopted father. As everyone has been told for three years, he is his biologic father. Oh my gosh. Yep.
00:20:11
Speaker
So, um, if Dyson is the biologic father, the question is then who is the mother's mother, right? Yes. So let's just go. I'm not even going to warn you. So Dyson explained to Vonda that in Dimitri, cause they can't just adopt this child out. Like they have to have both parents, biologic parents signatures, right? Okay. So they, I mean, you can't just like adopt a child out. Like there's legal proceedings. So yeah.
00:20:38
Speaker
bond needs to know who the biological mother is and dies and explains that Dimitri does not have a biological mother in the sense of birth. Because he was not actually conceived in birth, but instead, harvested eggs were used and the boy was grown in a lab. And I'm not talking like in vitro or surrogate, but sci-fi channel where you walk into a sterile lab and you just see a floating uterus growing
00:21:06
Speaker
like floating independently outside of a body where the baby's just growing and everyone can watch it through the sack basically. Like you'd see on a sci-fi movie. That's how he said this little boy was. You say like sci-fi, I'm all like, this sounds more like a horror story. Right. So this is what he told Vonda and Vonda is starting to, uh,
00:21:27
Speaker
You know, she's got to be wondering at this point, like what the heck am I like, what have I gotten into? And what am I supposed to do with this crazy track? Because what he's describing is just not real. Like it's not, we don't have those medical advances yet. Especially in 1999. Heck, we didn't even have Apple phones or texting barely. I don't even think we had texting yet because texting came out and I was on high. So, um, turns out that girly really loved Dimitri.
00:21:54
Speaker
That was her child, but the domestic violence was so bad against her. And she was so afraid that she, and she had to leave. So she signed over her parental rights to get away from guys. So the question is, it, Jason did not have cancer. He was not dying. Why did he put Demetri up for adoption at this point and lie about everything. And there's really not a good reason for it. So, but, well, okay, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You said that basically.
00:22:24
Speaker
He came home with a kid and was like, here's our, here's our kid. Did she even know at that point that was her biological kid? It wasn't her biological kid. It was Dyson. Well, I thought you said it was her egg. Dyson just said eggs were harvested. He didn't say whose they were. It's all test tubes.
Linda Henning and Conspiracy Theories
00:22:44
Speaker
Okay. Oh yeah. Okay. My bad. My bad. All right. So we're not sure why Dyson's trying to put Demetri up for adoption at this point.
00:22:54
Speaker
Um, there's really no good reason to go with his giant crap bag. Well, I, on one of the podcasts I listened to, um, about this case crime junkies, they said that the reason Dyson might've done it, like they were theorizing as well. And they said that he knew he was about to kill girly and go on the runner jail. So he wanted to make sure Dimitri was looked after. However, I think that's giving the sleaze bag way too much credit. And if you want my humble opinion.
00:23:24
Speaker
Um, he only brought Demetri home because they couldn't get pregnant and he wanted to keep girly under his abusive control. Right. And when girly finally broke free, he didn't have any use for that little boy any longer. He was just in the way and I'm out to feed. I, I 110% of guys in clearly because there was never anything he was going to take care of. It was something that he did to keep her care of. There was not that way. She wouldn't leave him.
00:23:51
Speaker
Cause he was obsessed with her and all decisions I believe he made was linked around this obsession for girly. So I think that's why girly was gone. He, he either killed her or planned to kill her. So he was like, you know what? I don't need the brat anymore. So off you didn't keep her here. You didn't do your job. I mean, honestly, I think that's why it is, but that's just my opinion. I don't disagree. Continue. Yeah. So Vonda, back to the fact of the story, bond is very shaken up by all the conversations she's had with dies into this point.
00:24:20
Speaker
And she's honestly starting to worry a little bit about her safety cause deuce cray cray, right? Um, yeah. So she even like her husband go to dinner one night and she basically like, there's certain things she can't tell her husband, but she gives him details about the situation and about diazin and the sun and the craziness and how she thinks diazin is crazy. And she's really kind of worried and she doesn't know how to get away from the situation. Right. Right.
00:24:48
Speaker
Unfortunately for Vonda, Diasen was at that exact same restaurant at that exact same time and overheard Vonda bashing him. No way. Oh yeah. Which, you know, for a psychopath like Diasen isn't going to sit well. So thus he's calling and threatening her. Right. So all these people are calling. So he starts, he's, he's threatening these three people. He's calling them that he believed they all wronged him.
00:25:14
Speaker
But because all three of them called the police and reported it to the police, the police were able to trace the calls and found the calls coming from a house out of South Carolina. So they finally have a beat on Dyson four days after girl is disappearing. So this is actually how they find Dyson. They go to South Carolina, they go to Charleston and they find him. And when they find him, he's not alone. He's living in a house with his new fiance. Wow. Oh yeah.
00:25:43
Speaker
So the police arrest him, I can say well, but really I'm not, I'm not all that shocked. No, because super surprised by that. Well, police arrest him on three counts, on three counts of making threats across state lines. So glad he's loose cannon there. And the new fiance, well, even though you're not shocked by the one.
00:26:05
Speaker
During this investigation, they find out that they're three different fiance. Currently, all three active. I want to know what this guy looks like.
00:26:14
Speaker
Oh, you don't want to know. You don't. I'm going to post pictures. OK, so I'm going to I'm going to question humanity. If I see this past pictures, basically tell me. Oh, he's as you said, last week looked like you choose on for this. Like, like, oh, and we had only are you just what's hideous or unattractive? But you're also a dick. So I don't really know how that flies and how women are like, oh, my gosh.
00:26:39
Speaker
Oh, we haven't even gotten to the heart of the side. Better than you. OK, all right, let's go. So none of the three fiancees know about the other. Only one knows that he has a quote unquote missing wife, but that's it. So police arrest him, put him in custody. And now that he's there, police go back to search the residence that they found him out in South Carolina. During the search, they find a gun, two vials of blood, multiple over the counter and prescription drugs.
00:27:08
Speaker
needles, two vials of blood. Yep. Nope. Yep. You heard that right. Two vials. Okay. So like, you know what I think is really fun. I'm just sitting here and I'm like, Oh my gosh, God, you know, it'd be really cool to collect blood vials of blood. Mm hmm. Yeah. But just written involves blood. Yep. Well, he's got needles.
00:27:28
Speaker
multiple empty glass vials everywhere. I keep them next to my stamps. I keep trying to go and you're distracting me. Oh yeah. There's also a steam cleaner, two sticks of charcoal, charcoal. Sorry, I don't know why I said it like that. Wow.
00:27:54
Speaker
And it's the type of charcoal that a person might use to, let's say, paint their face black. There is also Gurley's address book and her Malaysian ID because she was born in Malaysia. Listen, innocent until proven guilty face. Oh, oh yeah. Oh, trust me. Like you can't know. He is, he didn't do it. Oh, that's only. So the vials of blood. I'm sure, you know, everyone wants to know why there's vials of blood, as you stated. Um, and to be honest with you, we don't know. Diazin was known to take
00:28:23
Speaker
files of blood from random people for, as he told them, medical research. Right. Right. Again, because normal people just collect blood samples. I want to know what Yahoo is like when he walks up and he's like, Hey,
00:28:42
Speaker
Give me a vial of your blood. I've got these needles in these vials right here. Just let me take some blood. They're like, okay, here's my arm. Yeah. I bet he, I bet he has dead animals in his freezer too. And that's totally normal research. Well, you're not, you're not getting my blood. Uh, cause it's another reason you're going to play with the crime scene and I'm not letting some crazy person, I don't even like lobotomous take my blood. Like let's be honest. I don't like needles. So yeah. All right. Keep going. So.
00:29:09
Speaker
Um, anyway, the blood is theorized to come from multiple, um, from one of the multiple fiancees are someone he was scamming, which I will clarify the scamming comment here in a little bit, but that's what it theorized. Either way, the police have enough evidence at this point.
00:29:26
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to convene a grand jury, which they do in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where the story started at the bank and everything else. They lived in Albuquerque. And they want to indict him for Gurley's murder on September 27th, just a few weeks after she goes missing. So at this grand jury trial, there is a key witness by the name of Linda Henning. This is a person who was found very early in the investigation as someone close to Diasim. The police have already talked to her right after Gurley went missing, but Linda
00:29:56
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tries to stick to this story that she barely knew dies in. She's never heard of girly. She's never met girly. And that's what she tells the grand jury at first. Um, but the more she's questioned on the, um, in front of the grand jury, like there are people listening to this just to BT dubs. Like this is live action, if you will. So the more she's pushed, the more her story starts to kind of fade away and the less logic her answers have.
00:30:27
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And then she starts to spiral into these dramatic stories of government officials, pedophile sectioning. And what everyone listening to her starts to realize is she is a full blown cuckoo banana pants conspiracy theory. Like if there's a conspiracy theory out there, she's a hundred percent bought it. Crazy town banana pants. Yeah.
00:30:50
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So, and this conspiracy theory situation is actually how she met Dyson in the first place. They were both at a local college attending a lecture by a very well-known speaker. He is a very well-known conspiracy theorist speaker. He is a very well-known speaker throughout the world. He's out of London. And I'm just gonna 100% disclosure here, 100%. I have actually listened to multiple of this man's lectures and I find it fascinating.
00:31:20
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Really? Do we have to my friend? It is no other than Mr. David. I know. Yes, that is who they are. So like I have heard. I've had like not like super you've 100% heard of David. So here's just another side note, three times conspiracy theories are like my frickin soap opera. I get invested. And I know
00:31:44
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But here's the thing, I feel like I get I get sucked into it. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, well, and then I get to a point where I'm like, really? Yeah, well, see, the deal is and that's, that's kind of why I find conspiracy theories so interesting. And I, I like literally watch them like soap operas. Because with a lot of conspiracy theories, not all mind you, but a lot of them, I think they are based in truth, but they get blown
00:32:13
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so far out of proportion that they're not believable, which I kind of think is the plan behind it. Because if you make this so crazy, then you discredit the original truth. Correct. And I think that that's like, basically, that's why they add this outlandish stuff. And I don't do a lot of digging in conspiracy theories for the most part, like I don't dig for the you know, like the behind it
00:32:37
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I just want to listen to them talk and watch it like kind of like you do a car wreck. Like you just can't stop. I'm rubbernecking the whole way through YouTube. Let me tell you. And then I get you rubbernecking because I'm like Lisa.
00:32:52
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Oh, and you're like, dude, this cannot be real. Yeah. So like, I don't know. Some of it's convincing and then you just kind of get to that certain point where you're like, Oh, you took it too far, man. I'm done. Which is exactly like in the, in the presidential elections of Donald Trump versus Joe Biden, the United States conspiracy theories were huge. Yes. And you and I both will listen to them all because it was fricking interesting and hilarious.
00:33:21
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And I do think some of them are based in truth. I think they got blown out, which is kind of, this is exactly when I found David Icke. And I listened to a lot of his stuff during the presidential elections because he is, he's a very good communicator. He's very engaging. And his conspiracy theories at first, I was like, Oh yeah, I can see that. But then he lost me on the shape shifting lizard people. You sit and you wonder why people drank the Kool-Aid face. I know, right? You know what I'm saying?
00:33:48
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But I mean, sorry, but David Ike is the one that thinks they're lizard shape-shifting lizard people. Yeah. I can't handle all that. Which discredited everything else you talked about to, to like, he was speaking some weird stuff, like not weird, but like believable. Yeah. To be believable. And then they go there and you,
00:34:09
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Yeah. Like he's all like aliens and this and that. And I'm like, dang it guy. I was, you were so good and you had such a valid point and now you're a cuckoo banana pan. So I digress, but that's where we're at. So David Ike is there listening to the lecture that night from David Ike, which, you know, he goes on on the ship shape. His big thing is supposedly about the shape shifting lizard people.
00:34:36
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And these are in all government positions. I know for a fact, he thinks the queen of England is a shape shifting lizard person. Um, several high profile positions of power, people in Hollywood, things like that. And they're only, and according to David Ike, um, are from what she said, according to David Ike, they are only able to keep this human form by drinking human blood.
00:35:01
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And the most powerful human blood is that of taking from people who have been traumatized and extremely scared at the time of death. So that the adrenal hormone is flooded into the blood system. And if the lizard people drink that it's like the most magical, powerful blood. I have heard so much crap about the adrenochrome. Yep. Yep. Yep. I wasn't going to, I wasn't going to name it, but that's exactly where we're at right now. Yeah. Well, I mean, it was just, it was so out there for so long. Anybody.
00:35:30
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Anybody who's anybody that hasn't heard of that at this point like everybody in the United States has heard you have never fallen into the rabbit hole Oh, no. No, I gosh. Yeah, but it's so easy to do Yes, and while we're not sure how much dies and believed in David Ike's rhetoric Linda was a full-fledged card member carrion of the conspiracy theory society They were also both a part of a UFO fan club type deal like this group of fan club
00:36:00
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UFO people. And I only I think of like, literally the president of this club, no disrespect. But I think of the guy on Independence Day with Will Smith. It's like, I'm coming home. Yeah, like, that's who I think of is the president of this just because I love that guy. Yeah. So Linda has been a part of this UFO fan club for a while. But you know, after she meets Dyson brings Dyson. And if this tells you anything about this guy, the members of this club,
00:36:29
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were like, Hey, we don't really like Kim. Why is he here? Right. So you've got a bunch of UFO believe in crazy people who are like, you sir have gone too far. Okay. So, um, Dyson told all the UFO club member people that he was a doctor and a geneticist. And he was also a 4,000 year old alien who was immortal. Wow.
00:36:53
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So that's where we're at. I'm going to work in, I'm going to like, just walk into work tomorrow and be like, you can't talk to me like that because I'm 103. Right. And if they're like, what are you, what are you talking about? Be like, yeah, this is actually my third life. Yeah. Right. I'm sorry. Um, so please find out, um, by talking to the, this, this, these group members that there's one guy who has been hanging out with Dyson and Linda pretty consistently. And his name is Bill Miller.
00:37:20
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And the closer they look at Bill, the more they find he's kind of suspicious. So they continue to talk to this UFO group to find out everything they can about Bill Miller. And the UFO group members say that they heard Bill Miller saying different things like he knew more than he could talk about related to Gurley's disappearance. He couldn't say anything. And he randomly happened to be elk cutting for the two days Gurley disappeared.
00:37:49
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So they sit down with Bill and he admits right away. I know both Dyson and girly. I know him well. Not only that, he tells them that Dyson tried to convince him to help him kill his wife, girly. Wow. Bill said he didn't do it. Of course. Um, naturally he's a good guy. However, the police don't believe him because they're not stupid and they get a search warrant for his house.
00:38:18
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So when they get to his house, they find multiple articles of clothing, um, from girly's disappearance, not clothing. I'm sorry. I must read that word. It doesn't sound, they find multiple articles that he cut out of the newspapers talking about girly's disappearance, like a scrapbook type of situation, right? Like memorializing. Yes. They also find a notebook in his truck that states, and this is a direct statement from the notebook. The pituitary and finial gland has the strongest drug in it.
00:38:47
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like Carolyn and Dorfin need terrorization for it to be found in the blood, which sounds a lot like the anginochrome craze of the time. So police learned that Bill has a hunting cabin in this town called Magdalena, which we haven't really heard that town before, but did you know it's about 100 miles outside of the Albuquerque and it's the same exact town where the bloody tarp and
00:39:13
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tape and item in the closings were found. Well, would you look at that? Right. How ironic. Isn't that a coincidence? Super. So if that's not enough, Bill also opened a new bank account with a safety deposit box the day after girly went missing using a fake name and a fake address out of Colorado. So of course they get the they get the information to get into that safety deposit box.
00:39:42
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and they find $10,000 in cash that has been split into four stacked up and wrapped in tin foil and $12,000 worth of the storage. Say that one more time. Say that one more time. So it's $10,000 of cash. Yeah. Wrapped in what? Tin foil, aluminum foil. Like you keep the alien from reading your brain in sign. Right. No, I wasn't going there. You said bowl. Oh, sorry. And I just wanted to let everybody else know that she actually meant tin foil. Oh, I am from Tennessee. So thank you very much.
00:40:13
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You're so very welcome. So they also find $12,000 worth of coins. Even though everyone at this point is almost positive, Gurley's dead with Bill and Linda being involved and Dyson is more than likely the puppet master behind everything. They don't have a body to back up that theory. And without a body, we know how difficult likely it is to convince them of murder.
00:40:40
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but everyone knows that is more than likely what happened. However, all they have is this mountain of suspicions and circumstantial evidence. Then six weeks after girly's disappearance on October 21st, the police finally catch the break that they've been waiting on. The investigator gets a call that the results from all the tests they've sent away to the lab from girly's apartment and that everything they've been waiting for has come back. So that,
00:41:09
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water stains or blood stains. We're not sure the wet carpet, the tarp, the clothing, the duct tape, all those things that the DNA evidence has come back on. So the blood on the tarp, the clothing that was found with the tarp with the blood on it and the duct tape, the blood on the duct tape, along with the hairs found in the duct tape, all come back as a positive match to girly. The results from the carpet is where it gets interesting.
00:41:38
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The larger spots that were found are consistent with Gurley's DNA, but the smaller spots that we talked about that were everywhere are a match to Linda Henning. Wait, what? The conspiracy theory. Yeah, I know. I just I can't I couldn't I. OK, yeah. So the results show that Linda's blood was mixed with Gurley's blood in these smaller spots.
00:42:06
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would suggest a fight between the two in the apartment. While there's no blood evidence of diazin found in girly's apartment, they do find his saliva and hair in her apartment. Which remember, she kept this apartment hidden from basically everyone after the divorce. Right. He was not invited in there. He was not allowed. Yeah. He was not allowed to be there. Yeah. So some people are like, well, they were married, of course. No, she was terrified and in hiding from him. He would not have been welcomed in that apartment.
00:42:36
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So his blood and hair should not have been found in that apartment, period. Am I, am I wrong when I said that she had a restraining order? I thought you said that. No, you're a hundred percent right. He'd already broken it, but yes. Okay. Okay. So in the carpet, she's not just going to willingly be like, yeah, let's talk this out. Yeah, let's go ahead. But on my floor, sure. So they also found a few other interesting things in the carpet in girly's apartment. There's glitter. There is sand. And they said it was like craft sand, like what the kids like putting the bottles, you know,
00:43:05
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Yeah. On the carpet. And there's also, and these items, the glitter and the sand, they're also found on Gurley's clothing and the steamer that was found in South Carolina. Okay. All these things also contained a lot of animal fur. They said there was a ton of cat hair, deer fur, rabbit fur, feathers, which is weird because there are no animals that live in Gurley's apartment, nor the tenant before her.
00:43:35
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So was it like a ritualistic, fairy, glittery sacrifice? Well, Linda Henning. Oh, cats.
00:43:44
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So that explains the cat hair, but what about all the other, the rabbit fur, the deer fur, the feathers, that? It's gotta be some kind of a ritualistic. Well, you think that you've gotten wrapped up in the conspiracy theory that is this case. The cops, the cops know what this is. They're pretty sure they know where all these things come from. And it's the third person in this murder trifecta, Bill Miller, because remember, he's got that hunting topic and he's an avid hunter.
Trials and Revelations
00:44:13
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So they go to his cabin. So when they go to Bill's house in the cabin, they're able to find the same fern feathers in his cabin that match color, everything, same exact stuff from the clothes and the steamer and her apartment. They're all from his cabin. So at this point, even without girly's body, they now have enough evidence to tie all three of them to the murder and indict them. So on November 17th, that's exactly what they do.
00:44:43
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They bring them all before a grand jury and both Linda and Dyson are indicted by the grand jury on multiple charges, including kidnapping murder. Like they can go forward to trial. Bill Miller, the grand jury did not feel like there was enough to proceed with murder charges. Um, but do say that they can proceed with a conspiracy charge against him. So the prosecution's case is strong by the time the trial rolls around.
00:45:10
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They have a pile of evidence linking both Dyson and Linda to the primary murder scene at Gurley's apartment and the secondary crime scene in Magdalena where the tarp was found. And speaking of that tarp, they also have proof that Linda purchased the same exact tarp from Home Depot just two days prior to Gurley going missing. They also found two guns at Linda's house and a ninja sword. Oh my God.
00:45:40
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So I know, I know. I shouldn't laugh at stuff like that, but like, dude, come on. Yeah. Like your dumb dumb. It's 99 cash for like, really? Like, dude, it's my credit card. We proved that I was at Home Depot buying this. Yeah. So holy crap. All right. On the ninja sword, they found at her house. It's got blood all over it, all over the blade, all over the handle.
00:46:08
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The blood on the handle is a exact match to Diazin, but the blood on the blade is too degraded to tell who's blood that is. Well, Diazin apparently saw the writing on the wall because January 2000, before his trial could even start, everyone is surprised when he changes his plea to guilty, mainly to avoid the death penalty, I'm sure, but he says, I'm guilty. Let me gel, I'm done. Linda Henning's trial took a little while longer, three years, four attorneys,
00:46:38
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five different judges, but her trial did finally begin, and the defense's entire case rested on Dyson. He tells the jury that he's the one responsible for Gurley's murder, that he hired Bill Miller to kill Gurley, and part of Bill's job was to clean up the crime scene. So, you may ask yourself, why was Linda's blood found at the apartment if she had nothing to do with it, right? Well, Dyson can answer this. Apparently, she was on her period.
00:47:07
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No, right. I wish he'd gone there. Oh, he's such a creep bag. No, sorry. What he thought, what his plan was, was that he was going to spread another woman's blood throughout the crime scene. Then he's bleached to clean up. And because there to be two different blood types and the bleach, it would confuse the cops and they wouldn't be able to know what was going on.
00:47:36
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because you know, we don't have machines in 1999. But apparently, the vial of blood dies in a hat to spread around the apartment, broken his pocket. Because remember, he keeps these random vials of blood for his quote unquote medical research, which I don't know if I said or not. He is not a geneticist or a medical. He's not in the medical profession at all. Yeah, like he's literally just a useless human being. Yeah, he's just a weird, weird, weird person.
00:48:04
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So because the vial of blood broke in his pocket, the only other blood he had on the hand was Linda. So he just took hers and sprinkled around like confetti at the crime scene because it was going to use everybody. There was already glitter. Why not confetti? Right. So, um, which, I mean, honestly, he's crazy enough to do that, but Dyson is a well-documented and well-known liar.
00:48:32
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He's lied about being a doctor. He's lied about being a geneticist. He lied about going to med school. He lied about, um, Demetri being adopted out of Mexico. He lied about him growing in a, in a lab womb sack. I'm going to go out on the limb and say he was lying about being a 4,000 year old alien. He even lied about his name. His name is not Diasen. His name is Armand Chavez and he's from Houston, Texas. Is that for real? No, that's a hundred percent for real.
00:48:59
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Like this guy is cuckoo, banana. A long, long time ago, one of his friends should have been like, Hey man, I just got this new jacket. You should try it on. And then you strap them in the straight jacket and drop them off. So, um, I'm going to give you just a few, cause he took the witness in. Like his statement was what Linda's attorneys use to defend her basically. Right. And his speech.
00:49:29
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on the witness stand is literally some of the most vile, chilling things. Like you would expect to hear this crap on a televised movie or like a horse. You would not expect this to be real life. Some of these things I'm going to tell you. Is this worse? Is this worse than that one podcast I told you about where they went to the family statements and he asked if he could leave? Like there was nothing more cold and callous than that. Yeah.
00:49:57
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This is, let me tell you his statements and you tell me. So statement number one, society views murder as the most heinous crime known to mankind. Like when you decide you're going to commit murder, you decide that you're going to trade the life of theirs, trade, trade life for theirs. I did that. He also stated this about girly. She knew she was going to be hunted down like the dog she was. And yes, she ran like a scared little rabbit in an open field.
00:50:27
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She knew. Wow. Wow. That's, he said that I was then. So what ended up happening? And then, and then, you know, he pled guilty, got his pre-deal, right? So he doesn't have to die for stupidity, right? Correct. Correct. Oh my God. So here's, here's where everybody ended up. Bill Miller was eventually tried with witness tampering and conspiracy, but basically was given time served and a year probation. Slap on the wrist. Nice. Splendid Miller.
00:50:55
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was able to avoid the death penalty, but sentenced to 73 and a half years in prison, which she is still currently serving in a New Mexico prison. Diasen is serving a life sentence in Wyoming. He is in Wyoming because he requested to go there as part of his plea deal. And he said he would lead them to girly's body. And so he got to pick his prison. He picked Wyoming.
00:51:22
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He did attempt, and I think it was 2005, to get an appeal. He said that there was a conspiracy against him and all this other randomness. He's still in prison, don't worry. Dimitri, the little boy, was adopted into a family.
00:51:37
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And after that, there's literally nothing about him in the files and the news. You can't find anything about him. And I'm a hundred percent okay with that. I was just going to say that's a good thing because he doesn't need it. That kid just needs to, yeah. He needs to be able to just live life. So as a side note, if you're wondering where he actually came from, who his mother is, police were able to track down his birth mother. She was a Japanese woman living in Canada.
00:52:02
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who had been having a long distance relationship with Dyson. When the baby was born, Dyson asked her, come to Mexico and let me meet Demetri. I can't come to you. I need you to come to me. So that's what she did. And while there, Demetri told her that their son had inherited this rare genetic condition that Dyson had. And he's the only one that would be able to handle
00:52:31
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the treatment of the boy and get him help because he'd have the treatments himself. And so basically she, she needed to let Dyson take him for treatments and then he'd give the baby back. That was when the little boy was three weeks old, which is when the guys and then took the baby and brought him home. Surprise, the girly. Um, and this woman never heard from Dyson or was able to find him again.
00:52:58
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By the time she found out everything, Dimitri had already been settled with his new adoptive family for a little bit. And she stated that she missed him every single day, but they both had their own lives and her husband was elderly and very sick. And that Dimitri would have a better life with his adoptive parents than she could provide at this point. And the best thing that she could do for her son at this point is let him live this life that he has.
00:53:27
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Instead of wrecking it again, which kudos to her because that's 100% true. I think, um, that's a hard decision to make for any mom. Yeah. Gurley's body has not never been found to this day dies and did not hold up his end of the story.
Domestic Violence Awareness and Resources
00:53:40
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Surprise. Surprise. He lies. Yeah. But I guess he gets to stay in Wyoming, right? Yep. And this story, uh, while having crazy twists and turns at its base,
00:53:53
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like at the base of this story, and this is where I'm a Ted Talkett for a minute, my little PSA, but at the very heart of this story, it's a very well-known and lived story of so many of domestic violence and what they look through. Oh, absolutely. And many don't make it past running from their abusers. According to the NCADV study, a victim leaving
00:54:19
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The domestic violence situation they're in is what prompted their murder in almost all cases because their perpetrator did not want to be separated from their victim, which we've all heard the most dangerous time for domestic violence individual is when they try to leave. The fact is girly knew she was in danger. She knew that her life could end at any time. She filed police reports. She filed restraining orders. She went into hiding, not letting anyone know she lived. She alerted friends, coworkers to the threat. She told them, if I'm late, call the cops.
00:54:48
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She went as far as to calling the FBI the very night before she was killed to ask for protection against Dyson. And she did not receive it. Just a few statistics. I want to tell you in the United States, this is all United States based because that's where we're at in this relationship. On average, and this is all came from the NCADV.org. I'll post it on our social medias. But on average, nearly 20 people per minute are physically abused by an intimate partner in the United States alone.
00:55:18
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Which means in one year, more than 10 million men and women are suffering at the hands of those who are supposed to love and protect. One in four women and one in nine men experienced severe intimate partner, physical violence, sexual violence, stalking with impact, such as fear, fearfulness, PTSD, and contractions of STD. One in four women and one in seven men.
00:55:42
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have been victims of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in their life. One in seven women and one in 18 men have been stopped by an intimate partner to the point which they are fearful for their own lives or someone close to them thinking they will be harmed or killed. On a typical day in the United States of America, there are more than 20,000 phone calls placed to domestic violence hotlines nationwide. Intimate partner violence accounts for 15%
00:56:11
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And this is, I think this is huge. Intimate partner violence accounts for 15% of all violent crimes in the United States of America. Wow. Domestic. That's huge. 15% of all is your loved one hurting you. Only 30, and here's the kicker out of all the statistics I just gave you. And those are current day statistics. Only 34% of people who are injured by intimate partners receive medical attention for their injuries.
00:56:42
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So how much are these, how, how, how deflated are these percentages? Because, or have the ability or support to report it. So as my last little part here, and all this will be posted on our, our different social medias. Um, if you are suffering domestic violence, I am so sorry. We love you. We hope that you get help. Um, the domestic violence hotline in the United States of America is 1 800 799.
00:57:12
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They also do have a chat feature at www.thehotline.org backslash get dash help. They do warn when you go to their website that the browsers can be traced. If you're still their abuser, they advise that you call the hotline first so they can help you not be caught on your browser seeking help. And finally, you can text them the word start.
00:57:40
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to the number 88788 and that will, all those avenues will get you in touch with the domestic violence hotline to try to get you help and get you out of the situation you're in in the safest way possible. That is my story. Okay. First off, let me just say thank you because you can listen to a hundred million stories on a hundred different podcasts, but faith, you're just that person who I'm going to tell this horrendous story.
00:58:07
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but I don't want you to have to go through it. So let me give you ABC and D channels that you can go through to avoid it. Well, that's what, that was the whole point of this podcast. We want to help people. Exactly. You know, we all, we, we goof off and we, we say really dumb things sometimes. I mean, if you've listened to the first, you know, however many episodes becomes this point, but there's always an underlying, there's always something there for us to say. Like we understand that it's hard. Yeah.
00:58:35
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And we understand that you, you're scared, especially if the kid is involved. And it's dangerous. It can be dangerous. We get 100% get that and respect that, but we want you to know there are ways for help. Sometimes the risk is worth it. A hundred percent. I actually, this is completely unrelated, but it's kind of similar. I brought, we brought my kid yesterday to this rock climbing wall and she got scared and didn't go all the way to the top, almost made it, but she chickened out.
00:59:04
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And she's crying on the way home and she was so upset. And she said, she's mad at herself. And so we started talking about like fear controlling you. And I said, you know, I, first I was trying to make her feel better. And I was like, Hey, when we go to Dollywood, mom doesn't ride the firefly because she's scared of roller coasters, right? And she's like, yeah. And I'm like, that's what you and dad do together because mom's scared. And she's like, yeah. And I said, so it's okay to be afraid. And then I started realizing I'm basically telling her it's okay to stop trying.
00:59:31
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And so I was like, Hey, when you and dad ride that roller coaster, is it fun? And she was like, yeah, it's a blast. I love it. I love dangling. I love the flips. And I'm like, yeah, mom, does mom miss out on the fun? And she's like, yeah, I wish you were there with me to scream. And I'm like, yeah, mom lets fear control her and misses out on amazing opportunities. I would have loved to been up there with you on your first roller coaster ride, but mom was scared.
00:59:55
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because she doesn't think the seats are going to carry her fat butt. And I didn't tell her that, but I'm thinking that. And I said, you know, and I miss out on a really fun opportunity just because I let my fear drive me. That is so inconsequential to what to even relate. Like I'm sorry that I'm even relating that to the search, the situations of domestic violence. But I understand that if you're being victimized by a boyfriend, girlfriend,
01:00:22
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I understand that you're scared and I understand that you might not think you have options, but you do. And there are so many avenues to help you do it in a safe manner. They get the help and don't let fear stop you because you can have such an amazing life outside of that. Will it be hard? Yes. But will it be worth it? Yeah, it probably will. And you know what guys, truth be told, a lot of these men, a lot of these women don't tell their family what's going on.
01:00:50
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And you would be shocked by how many of your family members would stand in that crevice for you in a heartbeat, in a heartbeat, but you're, you're too, I don't want to inconvenience anybody. They don't feel like that. It's not that they've been ostracized from their family and friends on purpose. So there isn't an avenue for help. I don't care if you haven't talked to your parents in 10 years because your husband drug you across the country and is being the crap out of you. You don't think you have anyone.
01:01:17
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You call your mom and dad. They're going to help you. Yeah. And you know what? Even if they don't, there are so many other places you could go. There are churches there. No, I was going to say like, there's churches you can go to. There's like, you were just talking about the websites that you were just talking about. Oh, that was just one website. There are a hundred. All you have to do is just take a deep breath and take a step. That's it. What? Oh man. Wow. Faith.
01:01:44
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Every time, every time. I wasn't gonna do the whole like, honestly, I was just, it's a crazy story. Like, let's be honest, it is like conspiracy theories, everything. But at the heart of it, it is like, take out all the crazy lab grown babies. And here's the prize. I got you a baby and
01:02:06
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The blood drinking and the alien life, you take all that out and you strip all that away. It wasn't until today, like literally I was sitting at work kind of review in my notes and I was like, if you strip all this away at the heart of it, it's what so many people around the world live through and don't think there's avenues for help. And I think it's important to put those avenues out there. Or they think that they're alone.
01:02:30
Speaker
Or they think they deserve it. None of that is true. Exactly. They think they deserve it. No one deserves to have the inflate on them. That's not even the case. No. No. Well done, my dear. Well done. There's New Mexico. I skipped it, but I felt like I did it justice in the end. You definitely did. All right. Well, I guess it's my turn. It is. It is. I am in North Dakota this week. Which is after New Mexico because of the O in New Mexico.
01:03:00
Speaker
just in case anyone else struggles with the alphabet. I told you guys she was doing better with the alphabet right? Okay we had to like debate that because we were both like North Dakota. Dakota's before Mexico. No I told you because you said you're in South Dakota and I was like no I'm in North Dakota and if I'm not then we're not doing this tonight. I don't know the alphabet guys.
01:03:26
Speaker
Oh man, life gets in your way so bad. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, North Dakota, North Dakota. So first of all, I'm just going to start by saying like, you guys either have the safest place to live or you are hiding a lot of crap. I guess hiding. They're good hiders. That's possibility. I have no idea. But all I'm saying is.
01:03:53
Speaker
There wasn't a whole lot to really go off of, but then I came across one story and this is the one that I chose to do tonight. So tonight I'm going to talk about Anita Knudsen. Anita was adopted when she was just a baby. She had a sister and a brother who were also adopted not long after she had been adopted.
01:04:18
Speaker
I tried to find like a whole bunch of like different background kind of stuff. But what I got was she, she was just someone who always stuck up for like the underdog. Yeah. Family friends, the people that surrounded her described her as loving, loyal, caring, all the good fields. Okay. When she was in high school, she went to prom with a guy named Tyler and she was later realized that maybe Tyler was like a little bit odd. Okay.
01:04:48
Speaker
I know. So when she graduated, she moved out of her parents house. Now, I just want to start by saying that these, these parents that adopted her already had full grown children that were like out of their house. Oh, her father was actually the mayor of their little town before he retired. So they're not like spring chickens. Right.
01:05:12
Speaker
Yeah, but it has nothing to do with that. Really. It's just simply that they've had experience raising kids. Yeah. Okay. So when she graduated, she moved out of her parents' house. She got an apartment. Um, and I told you that she found Tyler or no, I'm sorry. She went to prom with Tyler, later found out he was kind of weird. Like I said, she graduated, got an apartment and later found out that he got an apartment in the exact same complex as her. Okay. Yeah.
01:05:41
Speaker
So they were not dating. In fact, she told him straight up. We're not going to date. Did he understand the word she said? Well, he was a persistent feller. OK, awesome. And OK. Well, we were we're going to stop there for now and we're going to jump into some different stuff. So Anita was.
01:06:04
Speaker
a very genuine person. Okay. So her adopted siblings were not biological. Okay. Okay. So she took her younger sister under her wing. Like they had a really great relationship. I've read, I've seen clips of just whatever, any kind of interviews that they, they were pretty close. Not only was she close to her siblings, she was also really close to her parents. And so Anita spoke with her family pretty much on a regular basis.
01:06:34
Speaker
Okay. Okay. So she was super close with all of her family, especially her sister, who pretty much worshiped the ground she walked on. Okay. All right. When she left and went off to college, you know, she got her apartment, the whole deal. She decided she wanted to go to school for, um, to be an elementary school teacher. God bless their heart.
01:06:56
Speaker
Apparently that was something that she had been thinking about for like years and years. Like that was like her goal. Okay. That was her passion. That's what she wanted to do. So I think she finished out her first year and that was when her life tragically ended in June, 2007. And media's mother called her multiple times.
01:07:22
Speaker
after like a day or two ish, she asked her husband, I need his father to drive out to check on her. So he also could not get ahold of her. So he was more than willing to jump into his truck at that point and just go. So he gets, I know, see, like, that's the thing. Like he check on people, right? We've talked about that a hundred times. So he jumps into his truck and he takes off to her apartment and um,
01:07:50
Speaker
When he got there, he saw her car and was like, well, okay, if she's here, like, you know, why she's not, why she not answering, whatever. So he started banging on the door, ringing the doorbell, but there was no response. So he decided, you know what, something's not right. And he called maintenance because he needed somebody to let them in. Okay. So he called like the office manager at that point. He sent his son out.
01:08:16
Speaker
and as the son approached he found a screen door like a screen window that was sitting out in the backyard and it had what looked to be a knife cut down through the side of it so he brought it up to the father they showed him what happened and so they then both of them approached Anita's bedroom window the window was open and when what the father could see was that somebody was laying in Anita's bed
01:08:47
Speaker
And they weren't moving. So at that point he yells out, he's like, break the door gap. Like get it. We have to get in there now. So they forcefully entered the home. Um, father ran to the bedroom, realized it was in fact Anita.
01:09:05
Speaker
And when he touched her body, she was freezing cold. So like he knew she was gone. So they, they called the police, the police arrived on the scene. They found no evidence of anything missing. She was not sexually assaulted. There was nothing out of the ordinary thing. Nothing. Yeah. It was like somebody just walked in, killed her and left.
01:09:27
Speaker
Like there was no apparent motive in, in this case whatsoever. So as they start talking through and you know, they take everything off, they've got the caution tape everywhere. They're looking around the apartment and they're, they're not finding anything that's weird or out of place. So at this point, the police found their first suspect and her old prom date. Yeah. Tyler, as a matter of fact, he was sitting outside. Yeah. He was sitting outside just beyond the caution tape.
01:09:56
Speaker
watching the police. Oh. So family members found out what he was doing. Right. Um, you know, the, the police, you know, they, okay. That was the first time cause they approached him after the parents were like, you know, he's kind of weird. We don't really know, but he, he, he makes some weird choices. Right. Yeah. Like we don't really know what he's capable of. So they pulled him into interviewing
01:10:25
Speaker
They clear him. Everything seems to be fine. The family finds out, however, that, um, he was doing weird things online that they felt like wasn't, uh, maybe appropriate for a normal circumstance. Like we, like, we know they're friends, you know, it's not appropriate. The girl that said we ain't dating bro.
01:10:48
Speaker
Right. Right. Right. Exactly. You know what I mean? And any normal girl is not going to treat somebody like absolute garbage for no reason. So she was in fact friendly. She was friendly with this kid. She was a good person. Pretty much. Yeah. Hmm. That's why I'm not nice to people. I know. So they found out, the family found out that he was doing these things online that kind of made them uncomfortable. Okay.
01:11:16
Speaker
He added a 20 minute YouTube video as a tribute to her. Mostly pictures of them at like prom. Usually that's stalking. Yeah, it's, it's, it's weird. It's definitely weird. All right. So he was blogging about her. She loves her. He misses her. He thinks about her all the time. Yeah. Red flag, red flag, red flag. The family couldn't tell if it was creepy or kind. Like they didn't know if he was doing it.
01:11:45
Speaker
I mean, I kind of felt the same way too. Not going to lie. So during an interview that actually came across, um, crime watch, I don't know if anybody's watched that, but they have some pretty interesting documentaries every once in a while. So they actually interviewed Tyler and he said that him and Anita were best friends, but according to his sister, montage is the best friend. Well,
01:12:13
Speaker
Okay, I wouldn't like it. No, like if you were to suddenly pass, I'd be like my sister-in-law just died. But Emily's family. That's what I would say. I'm sorry. I love you. Expect a monsoon of my love on YouTube. I'm going to do a 20 minute video of all the times you're like blowing blow darts at my face.
01:12:42
Speaker
Maybe that one time I got into your back. Yes, I do. I'm going to post that video too.
Camaraderie and Personal Reflections
01:12:52
Speaker
Why did we ever decide to team up to do anything for other people? I had to actually listen to us because we just don't know. Mine are. Yeah, definitely. Get a good camaraderie. All right.
01:13:10
Speaker
I'm fantastic. You're present. And I'm sitting here thinking that I was fabulous and you're just here. All right. So like I said, during the interview on crime watch, Tyler said that he and Anita were best friends. Um, his, her sister, Anita's sister, Anna said,
01:13:32
Speaker
you know, of all the people that she would have named off to me. That's not, I don't think he, I don't think he would have been the one. Right. Right. So Anita's family completely disagreed. Um, he told crime watch the, he had been, uh, he had been interviewed twice by the police and that the whole interview really was just standard during the second. Yeah. During the second interview.
01:13:58
Speaker
Um, he gave a DNA sample and after the DNA sample, he was cleared. Okay. So then we move on because suspect cleared. We're going to move on to somebody else. The roommate, not him that quickly, but okay. Yeah. Well, her roommate was interviewed as well. Her roommate had a solid alibi. Um, she was staying with her parents, apparently maybe like an hour or so away. Okay. And she again gave the DNA sample and the lead, uh, after.
01:14:29
Speaker
that whole deal and she gave whatever they, they dismissed her. They had other people like, um, there were people that were doing maintenance across the street. There were janitors. There were all kinds of different people. So like they were pounding the pavement, the police work. Okay. And they, they took DNA samples from like all of these people.
01:14:50
Speaker
But everyone was really pretty much just dismissed. The police followed literally lead after lead after lead. And every single lead they follow turned out to just be a dead end. And eventually that case went cold. So I'm going to skip over to a little bit of a different story. I told you that Anita had two siblings, a brother and a sister. Anita's brother began using drugs
01:15:18
Speaker
These are adopted siblings, right? Yes. Yes. I should have stayed on track. Well, and again, I told you that they were already like the particular people that adopted them already had children that were gone and done. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And, and so these three kids and they, you know, from all appearances, they literally seemed like great parents, honest to God. They come with their kids every single day.
01:15:48
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? Um, but Anita's brother, her and like, her and both of her siblings were like really super close. They weren't like biologically related, but it was like they had each other. They were growing up in something that they didn't understand. You know what I'm saying? And so their relationship was beyond beyond, right? Yeah.
01:16:13
Speaker
So after Anita's brother got the news, he began using drugs and he just kept falling deeper and deeper into depression. After he found out about her death. What? When did he start using drugs? After he found out that Anita had been murdered. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I thought. I just make it sure. Okay.
01:16:32
Speaker
So his mom and dad tried almost anything, literally everything they could think of, but it didn't really help the situation. Like he just kept falling further and further into depression. And so he and Anita were so close that like he almost felt like he was incomplete without her. Um,
01:16:53
Speaker
This is one of the interviews. He's in love with her type of bitch, is it? No, no, no, nothing like that. Just needed to prepare my heart. Literally you lost. Okay. Cause like her whole life, she was considered, she was such an epic person. Like she graduated from high school. She went on to be early, early childhood development educator of the school nine. She was compassionate. She was loving.
01:17:19
Speaker
She would like, I actually read a story at one point where in high school, she actually stood up to a bully for someone else. And every single day she walked past that one person that bullied them, she would say, cause she was a popular kid. Okay. She would literally ask, have you apologized yet? Every single day. Have you apologized yet? Until one day that individual was like, yes, I did.
01:17:48
Speaker
Oh, we need like people like her. That's so sad. She was just a good person. And so, you know, this is the person that he probably felt like maybe it was the glue that held everything together. Yeah. Okay. So he was on the phone with his mom. We had a great conversation. She said that he seemed in good spirits. Everything was great, but the following day he killed himself. No. So, all right. I'm just going to freeze for a second.
01:18:18
Speaker
And Nita's parents lost two of their children. In one quick swoop. In my mind, it never would have happened. No, it's one person who's also not dead. And somebody else not taking the life exactly. Oh, that's...
01:18:31
Speaker
And like I get like okay like you read somebody's obituary Yeah, like I mean all of us have been to a few right? Yeah, and you and you know somebody and you're sitting here and you're listening to someone's Help me faith. What's it called when somebody stands up and gives that monologue? Ulogy life Ulogy, thank you. Have you ever sat there and thought to yourself like for me and I kind of guess that's true. I
01:18:57
Speaker
Well, you know, it's like when people die, they always talk about like how great they were, how close. Yeah. And everybody's like, that's not true. They fear every, you hated that person. You never spoke to him. You only remember the best though. Yeah, that's true. But in this case, like every thing that I read, all of the videos that she had posted, she was just a silly, happy, good night person.
01:19:26
Speaker
Yeah. Um, so again, her brother took his own life. And in my, in my humble opinion, I feel like, and you know what? I don't know. I don't know if I should say it. Whoever killed her killed him. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know exactly
Anita's Cold Case and Legal Doubts
01:19:41
Speaker
how to say like, they literally, Oh my God, they destroyed that family. They did. Yes, they did. So out of the adopted siblings, now there's only one of them left. And so now you have the one sister, Anna.
01:19:56
Speaker
Who again, worship the ground that Anita walked up. Absolutely loved her brother. Has gotten news twice now that her siblings are dead. And I'm just like, what? What? Okay. So we're going to go, we'll, we'll jump back into, um, the police investigation. And like I said, they, they took DNA samples from a lot of people.
01:20:22
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. But they never had anything confirmed for anything. All right. So according to a reporter in North Dakota who was basically studying the whole case, right? Yeah.
01:20:38
Speaker
I hate to say it because I don't agree with a lot of reporters, but they have a lot of sources. And they also have a lot of, um, um, gumption to speak out and say things, right? Whereas when it comes to the police department, they're not going to give you 110%.
01:20:58
Speaker
Well, they can't tell everything about the case. I'm going to give you like 110. Yeah. So during, um, again, I'm going to jump back into this was crime watch. This was an interview that I watched. Okay. Um, a reporter that was covering the case said that one of the sources he had told him that the DNA that was found on the knife that killed Anita was never tested against any of the samples taken from the suspects. Now,
01:21:28
Speaker
Again, we're here. You're talking about a source, right? Yeah. Like where, where does this source come from? The police department. They're not going, they're not going to give up their source. No. Okay. So it's you, you don't know if this person is trustworthy. If they're not trustworthy, it doesn't matter. Okay. Well, they're still not going to tell you that name. If that's right, if it's not an easy way to show if that's true or not, show me the results from that, that, that test. My goodness. All right. Hold on. Let me take a deep breath.
01:21:56
Speaker
So that was what the source said. The police said publicly, they tested every single one of the samples by the test results. Exactly. So the reporter claimed at that point that his source was extremely reliable and that as a matter of fact, at one point actually worked on the case. Then show me the test. If you want to prove that that's not true, show me the results.
01:22:23
Speaker
OK, so we're we're never going to know the name of the guy ever. Yeah, but we can know that that's what he said. But when when the reporter sits here, tells me he actually worked on the case at one point.
01:22:36
Speaker
And they're telling me that they never tested this. That's a bit weird to me. Yeah. Okay. Who knows? Nobody knows. I don't, I don't, I'm not ever going to pretend like I understand the police department in any way, shape, fashion, fashion reform. Right. So anyways, my apologies. So we have brought in at this point, a good sis full of suspects. All of them were swabbed. All of them released. Okay. Mm-hmm.
01:23:05
Speaker
Tyler as of 2015 was still a huge advocate because this case is dead cold. Still a huge advocate spending his own money. He's married now, by the way. Okay. I, I'm starting to not suspect him as much. Yeah. I started to at the beginning, but he's married. He's, he's got his own life now. Okay. And he's spending his own money trying to figure out what happened to her.
01:23:33
Speaker
Yeah. And I feel like if you're super guilty, you're not going to try to tell, like press the police to continue on. Right. No. Because this case at this point is like stone cold. Yeah. Okay. So by the end of the crime watch and the research that I had done, all of the leads that they had received, they followed up on and there was no damning evidence for anyone. How? Because according to them, there was no motive.
01:24:03
Speaker
for anyone, right? They had all this DNA, but they had all this DNA that they swore that they tested. But everything just came back super negative and there was nothing. They're hiding something. They have to be. Well, the case is cold. I love cold cases. The end. What? That's the end of your, like the end of just the cold case or?
01:24:31
Speaker
No, you're just. Okay, so you know how we always jump into the your way back machine? Yeah, you better about to be jumping back into the way forward machine. Oh, good. Okay, I thought I was on March. I was literally about to hang up on you and not answer your calls. Oh, March 16.
01:25:00
Speaker
2022. Wow. 15 years later. Wow. Yeah. I'm going to say this and I might not be pronouncing this the correct way at all. And I don't care. But the minute or why not police announced in a press conference, the arrest of 34 year old Nicole Rice and the murder of was that her roommate, Anita. Was that her roommate? Yes.
01:25:30
Speaker
But she had an alibi. She did. So here's my question. Here you have this young lady had an alibi. Yeah. Supposedly her, her alibi faith were her parents. No, they're going to lie. Hell yeah. They're going to lie. Okay. But here's, here's my question. 15 years later, we make this arrest. We have a source from a reporter who said the DNA was never tested. Yeah. She took a DNA swab.
01:26:00
Speaker
It was not tested. They never showed the test. And now 15 years later, we have a suspect. Right? Now, look here, I said March 16th, 2022. Yeah, that was this year. This case is literally still pending. Suck so bad. Still pending.
01:26:22
Speaker
So I cannot, and I could not wrap my head around and I, you know, I, I flipped through a lot of documentation. Um, you know, there was like ABC news at some point, right? I mean, people reported the story, but they don't, they're like crime watch was the only one that sort of covered like the whole cholesterol of what was happening. Okay. Because they, they actually interviewed the reporter who said,
01:26:51
Speaker
The DNA was never tested. I did not find one other reference to that whatsoever. Now, I could also be a very crappy researcher. I bet they did. But I'm just saying, I'm just saying. Nobody wants to admit that they messed up that badly. Nobody wants to be embarrassed. I hate people. I know. So we still don't know like a reason her roommate was a toolbag.
01:27:18
Speaker
All right. So let's jump back into it. Okay. Ready? I would like some resolution before I go to bed and it's only, it's only fun because I get to jump back into you and into this and tell you the actual like story that was going on, which is why Nicole was a suspect in the first place. Okay. I'm ready to confide it into her mother. And according to her mother's testimony, they fought. Yes, they were.
01:27:46
Speaker
But Anita and Nicole, which was the roommate, fought constantly about shit that didn't even matter. Okay. She even showed her mother text messages of Nicole threatening her life. Move out. She was attempting to do so. Okay. But a typical 18 year old kid, naive, you're not honestly going to think your roommate's going to slaughter you. You know what I mean? Like, no, no.
01:28:16
Speaker
Maybe that's not like the thing that comes into your mind. Like you're just going to sit here and think, wow, she's a bitch. Like that's going to be like the worst thing that pops into your head. Not she's going to stab me to death with a pocket knife. Right. Yeah. So the mother actually told that to the police. Wow. Which is why.
01:28:37
Speaker
Nicole was taken in, in the first place, but according to the DNA evidence and her super solid alibi, she was cleared. And now 15 years later, after she's lived her life. Yeah. When these people lost, literally literally was married with, with kids when she was arrested. Yep. But again,
01:28:59
Speaker
We've not even been through court yet. So we don't know that she's actually truly guilty. We're going to have to literally like just sit and wait to see whether or not this chick is an absolute like garbage bag or, you know, I'm going to go to ding, ding, ding on that. Yeah. Oh, I would agree. I would agree. But it's a very good thing that I don't get called for jury duty very often.
01:29:24
Speaker
I would love to be on jury duty. I have been summoned to jury duty. The one case that I got was when I was still working at a daycare and it was a, it was that, that kind of case, you know? And, uh, I think they got very lucky that they chose the panel they chose because I would not have been a good selection. I would have just said guilty. Well, I mean, it hasn't happened yet. Correct.
01:29:51
Speaker
for trial has not. Yeah. So I think the last that I had seen is that it's going to be sometime in August because they keep kind of pushing everything like off or whatever. But I can only assume they're doing that because this was such a high profile case at that point. Yeah. And now that they've found their suspect, right, who should have probably been caught 15 years ago,
01:30:18
Speaker
You know, we, we kind of want people to lose interest. Absolute crap. But hey, I could be wrong. That's pure speculation. Solid speculation. Oh, I never said I was dumb. I just said it was my opinion. You just, you stop it now. So, but they never showed the test results. Like they kept saying they tested the DNA, but obviously it is not public knowledge. No.
01:30:46
Speaker
whether or not that comes up in the trials, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Well, I hope that it does because I would like to throw rotten vegetables at them. You know what I realized on the podcast that we do? Like I don't, I don't do a whole lot of like the back timey things like you do. Yeah. I like my way back. And I think that I do that because it's appalling to me that people still commit the crimes that they commit.
01:31:15
Speaker
knowing the technology that we have. Like if you commit a crime these days, just turn yourself in. You're going to get busted now. Oh, 25, 30 years ago, if you got busted, that's your own fault. So, okay. You know how you always talk about eyewitnesses not being reliable. Yeah. Well, it's not just me. It's like at one point. Yeah. But at one point in this case, there was an eyewitness who told the police that they saw a man running away
01:31:45
Speaker
from where the crime had just occurred, okay? They drew a sketch of this guy. The next day, his face was all over the news. But let's not test the blood sample we have. Do you know what the guy did? What? He took his happy butt.
01:32:03
Speaker
to the police station, to the authorities, and was like, I don't care what you have to do. I was out jogging. I don't care if you take an anal sample. But hey, so did Tim Hennis in the Eastburn family murders. He said, take whatever sample you want. Just because you got the balls to say it doesn't mean you're, you're free and clear, not guilty. Bro, literally, bro, literally.
01:32:30
Speaker
ran to the cops and was like, uh, no, I saw nothing. I literally was out jogging. Oh my gosh. You, you can have my DNA. You can have, well, they're not going to test it. So sure. Take it wherever you want. Like, but he, no, he was cleared like literally within minutes. Okay. He turned himself in, but again, I witnessed this and you're like, okay, was there anything suspicious? Well, I saw a guy job.
01:32:57
Speaker
Like it doesn't take much. No. You know what I mean? Like you're the only things you're going to identify is what you saw that night. It's not that it was suspicious. You're only going to identify what you saw. Yeah. In the moment. And so here's this poor guy like, I can do it. I didn't do it. Yeah, they've got DNA. They're not going to. I was just really good for.
01:33:22
Speaker
Uh, I'm fat and I'm trying to get some pals off. I didn't, I didn't kill anybody. I can only imagine, dude, what that guy must've felt. Seriously. Like wrong place, wrong frigging time, bro. Yeah. But then again, uh, Oh, I know. I know that some of, some of like the examples of that are very suspect.
01:33:44
Speaker
But like, I couldn't even imagine, like you were talking about on one of the other podcasts about just how you don't sleep sometimes, you just up and about and
Closing Banter and Farewell
01:33:53
Speaker
walking around. Yeah. That was something last week about the Eastburn. Yes. Like all the times. Oh, and you're an insomniac and your kid's asleep, your husband's asleep. You don't want to wake anybody up and you're like, I'm just going to go for a walk. No, I have a tiny, loud, like relax myself. Right. Yeah.
01:34:11
Speaker
But then like your neighbor dies and your other neighbors like, well, I saw things. Yeah. And our neighbors don't like us very much. So they'd report me in a heartbeat. I'm just saying we're not very neighborly or friendly. It literally, it can happen to anyone. Yeah. That's like I said, I've not given people my random vials of blood, like the last story. Cause you don't know where they're going to sprinkle that crap. And if it ever comes down to like head hair found, I shed like a German shepherd.
01:34:41
Speaker
So I've got DNA all over Knoxville. It's like, Hey, can I take a blood sample? And I'm not going to sit here and be like, okay. Yeah. I want to know what Yahoo's like. Sure. Here's my arm. Use it as a pin cushion. Oh my God. And 15 years, this family lost two kids, not one, two kids just because, uh,
01:35:06
Speaker
And they still probably never tested it. And you know, the thing is, it's, and I find it odd because they talked about Nicole and Anita. They fought and it was this, it was that or whatever, but there was no like underlined reason. Like it's not like Anita stole her boyfriend or.
01:35:25
Speaker
Like there really wasn't a motive. Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was Anita. It was the other girl's fault because the girl that died was a safe. This, I don't, I don't like your story, ma'am. I don't like my story either, ma'am. It, you know, there's.
01:35:43
Speaker
And you're going to sit here and pretend like your story was great, right? My story had the ending. Everything was neat little bows. My story had some laughs in the middle. Your stories just angered me and tainted my soul. We're weird. OK, true. But I don't know if I don't know. So we're going to get worse from here, guys. So you realize this is like the fourth story in a row that you've got to update us on on what's happened currently.
01:36:09
Speaker
Yes. This is why I go on the way back machine because I don't have to keep up the current events. I told you the weird obsession. I like the current things because it's intriguing. Like it's 2022. There are cameras everywhere. Everywhere. Your phone tracks everything you didn't say and gives targeted ads on my Facebook.
01:36:35
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or do anything without somebody seeing, recognizing, or having a video camera in your face. No. You want to hear what this guy at my work? It was a weird, weird event that nobody saw you and nobody tracked you for anything. You got away scot-free. There's still DNA. Yeah, it was 15 years ago. They didn't track everything you did back then. Exactly. Microscopic. It's so crazy. It's weird.
01:36:59
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It is. I'm sorry. I guess I'll keep up with like me and then I'll, I'll keep on with Anita's trial. And, um, I don't know. Maybe I'll just take a trip to the way back machine at some point. Cause I like the way back machine. Don't make fun of my way back machine. I am not making fun of, I am using in the correct fashion. Well, that's all I've got for tonight. You got anything else dad? No, not even a little bit. I'm not happy with you. So I don't want to talk to you anymore.
01:37:27
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Quite frankly, this story has left me unsatisfied. So cool, then we'll talk in the morning. Is that where we're? Maybe. Is that a fart? No, I was. What was that? I had a hair on my tongue, so sticking my tongue out some and you made me laugh. So it was like a. Unfortunately, it sounded like you cracked yourself. No, but do that on live recordings that I can edit. You can't control it, babe.
01:37:57
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We are getting older. Never trust a car. No. Early thirties. I was a day. Late, late thirties. Say you're a year older than me and I'm 37. Aging like milk. You and me both. I was talking about no, no fine wine in the South. Oh no. Moldy bread, lumpy milk. That's what I got to cook in. Oh Lord.
01:38:25
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all right well you know what people if you have still stuck with us this far congratulations we love you yeah congratulations i will still send a bag of gummies to anyone who ever completes the form of endgame i'm so sad no one did that i can't believe it i tried i i sucked at it i'm not kidding well
01:38:49
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We love you guys. And we hope that you enjoyed my story. Lisa's was very, um, angry. I, we can take a poll to say boo on Lisa for resolution purposes. Of course, mine, resolution. Nine times out of 10 year story trumps mine. So you just like shut your horse mouth.
01:39:11
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And let me let me just win one. OK. You've won a lot of them. It's not a competition. It is a competition. Everybody gets trophies these days, haven't you heard participation trophy? Sorry, I've angered everyone now. All right. Well, before we lose final two viewers, remainder of our follower. Moms, please don't leave us.
01:39:38
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My mom sent me mine and hers. Come on, they're not going anywhere. Very, very, very subtly. They feel the same way. All right. Well, all right. Everybody have a good night and we'll talk to you next week. Bye. Bye.