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Becoming A Killer
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What circumstances could drive you to kill?
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Letters P, O, S and Post-War Stress
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Speaker
Why don't you go get me one of them P's, boy?
00:00:10
Speaker
I want one of them
00:00:15
Speaker
Now go get me one of them S's. What's that spell? POS. It doesn't stand for anything.
00:00:37
Speaker
you feel me
00:00:52
Speaker
do i look relaxed and free of free of concerns of the first world lance can you tell the difference when i come back down here no you kind of look a little worn out like you uh got a lot on your plate buddy so No.
00:01:05
Speaker
I'm constantly looking over my shoulder now that I'm back in the war zone. That is anywhere outside of the United States.
Sports Events and Streaming Services
00:01:13
Speaker
Dude, I'm kind of sad as a United States American. theyre the no On my TV, no Winter Olympics, which I think is a great sporting event. And I i could not really get into the Super Bowl this didn't really care, but I'm kind of missing the Olympics.
00:01:27
Speaker
So if I look sad, that's that's the source. Well, for $11, you just can get Peacock, stream it. Really? One for one month. Yeah. But is it like you gotta, you gotta, you gotta bounce like before the month? It'll just keep hitting you. Is anything else on Peacock worth watching?
00:01:45
Speaker
Well, the Superbowl was, but yeah, they got other stuff. So you have to get a streaming service to watch the Superbowl. Unless you have an antenna or some other service, like other streaming service that has it.
00:01:58
Speaker
Antenna dude. All right. Problem solved. How do you watch the Olympics? I haven't. I'm not a huge fan of the Winter Olympics.
Dislike for Winter and Bug Invasions
00:02:07
Speaker
you You should move down here, dude.
00:02:10
Speaker
Extreme leftists. You don't like winter sports.
00:02:14
Speaker
Well, I like to ski a little bit, but no, I don't like the cold as much. I could move down there, but I don't like bugs either. That's an issue. Bugs are an issue, dude, but you can spray for it, so it's not that bad. But people yeah people that spend a lot of time in Colorado have have an issue with bugs.
00:02:33
Speaker
that's one of the great things about Colorado is of. It's the greatest. It's so minimal. But there's like once a year, like in June or July, there's like an invasion of mosquitoes in Denver. And then like a few weeks later, a bunch of moths come, which is kind of disgusting, but they eat all the mosquitoes, right?
00:02:52
Speaker
Yes, there's a, there's, it's not, doesn't always happen at the volume that we've seen, but I'd say once every seven years or something, there's insane moss. So we had it, remember in high school?
00:03:05
Speaker
I was just going make a joke, dude. i was like, you remember the 04 moth invasion? But you're actually you're actually pointing to a year. Yeah, and the heist, like in the every hall, corners, like moss everywhere, right? Well, that year was really insane. I remember getting them out of our house, but it also was 2015, too, up in the mountain. It was out of control.
00:03:26
Speaker
They were just coming through and... I had so many that were just stuck in the barn. I'd just go in there and take an air blower and try to blow them out through the door. It was it was out of control. Dead?
00:03:38
Speaker
No, they were alive just trying to get them to escape. And then in the house, they'd constantly get in. It's not like you're leaving the door open, but... I I was in a no kill mood, so I'd just go take a cup, sweep them, but every night before bed, because once you turn on the lights, you see them all go crazy. And I'd have to get like seven, eight, nine of them out of the house every night.
00:03:58
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So the kids would be scared.
Dealing with Infestations and Ethics
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Speaker
You mentioned no kill zone. What's your limit on animals that you're like, fuck it, I'll kill them, and and where you get some sort of bleeding heart? Like sometimes, i'll like if I find a spider, I'll just walk it outside.
00:04:12
Speaker
I don't know why. Yeah, it's I will mostly do that as long as I'm not under invasion. So we had some ants trying to creep into the side door last, i think it was this summer. So then I sprayed and then I was smacking them.
00:04:28
Speaker
Did you feel bad? No, no, because they're trying to invade and and and i'm I'm sort of like, yeah, we just need to have a barrier there. Or like if mice or something like that, then I don't feel bad. i don't enjoy it i got I gotta kill mice. i I feel bad because when you you put it in the trap and it's like this cute little thing and usually their eyes are open as you squash their head. but might I'd much rather have like an anaconda in my apartment than a mouse.
00:04:57
Speaker
Yeah, because mice are tough, like and they breed so fast. So we had a notorious mouse when we were in Bonnie Bray in Denver, dude. Fuck, I created so many little traps try to get this thing out. like It was going in and out of the air vents, and so like I taped off the air vent but created a little hole so was like a little tunnel for it to come through and then kill get killed.
00:05:20
Speaker
It took forever. But you got it. We eventually got it. oh I don't know, man, I felt traumatized after that because it was constant. you had It was like when the kids were young and you couldn't really like manage their crumbs and the cleanliness of the house, which really sustains the mouse and and it allows the mouse to like go lots of different places to find food.
00:05:43
Speaker
Yeah, they don't need much. It's ah it's a double brick house. I couldn't for the life of me determine how it was getting in. And the absurdity of trying to to go through and, and and you know when you look online, it's like mice can squeeze through a pencil hole. And so I was looking, you're looking and with insanity all across the house.
00:06:04
Speaker
And I couldn't figure it out. And it was a stressful time with young kids. And ah already I was on edge, you know, work and young kids. And so I was taking it way too serious. And everybody laughs to this day about it.
00:06:16
Speaker
I mean, if there's a mouse, I'm like, well, there there goes a week of sleep. Like, if I know that fuck is running around in my tiny apartment, because they always want to go into my bedroom, and I can hear him running around underneath me, and it's the worst.
00:06:29
Speaker
I fucking hate it. And my dogs, don't they don't do shit. what They're just like, yawn. And then I'm like, well, that's it. I can't sleep, so that thing's dead. Now I gotta kill this thing. If he just would have stayed outside...
00:06:40
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you know yeah and apartments tough too because there's entry points of different um tenants that don't give a shit that don't really care about some people don't care that much oh there was a mouse oh well yeah i'm with you man i i i hate it i should had my apartment sprayed for bugs like a year and a half ago this is like This is just how stupid I am. but The guy who comes like will not stop talking to me. like He loves talking to me. So I haven't had my house sprayed now for, it might be like two years, because I'm just like, I can't take this guy, Oscar, who's a nice guy, and sprays, but like...
00:07:19
Speaker
he'll be like, let's go sit down. We got to wait a minute. Let's go sit down out front. there's like a bench out in front of my apartment. And then I'm like, we're sitting there talking. He's trying to sell me land. Like it's so it's just like, I can't do it. So now I have all these bugs and it's like, yeah, I probably should spray.
00:07:33
Speaker
But then I am not ready to put, to block the three hours to talk to this guy. So that's funny it's bad, but it's dry season now. So it's a little better. It's a little better. Yeah.
00:07:44
Speaker
I got tougher up in the mountains though. When we lived up there, cause it's, Whew. You are invaded. But you got- would you kill a- like, what's your limit? I mean, like, I remember my dad, he was always killing, like, we'd have, like, rat- like, where'd that- the bit the house you're always bitching about how how big it was?
00:08:02
Speaker
They had- there's a lot of land there, so rabbits and prairie dogs and shit all over the place, so they ended up, like, killing everything. Because there were, like, so much, so many. I don't know that I'd kill prairie dogs or rabbits.
00:08:14
Speaker
No, but just just things that are trying to penetrate the house. I mean, I wouldn't kill, I'd try to relocate at a raccoon, although the experts will tell you they don't do that. hey there I was going to say, up there, you probably got raccoons. You got bigger rodents, right?
00:08:28
Speaker
yeah yeah mostly you just need to watch out for like field mice in terms of getting into the house and then of course like all the big animals related to your garbage but we have bats up in the rafters you gotta make sure they missoo make sure they don't get in the attic what you can't like so but if you read about bats like you're talking about mice can fit through anything like you'll like if there's one bat there's like a million supposedly And so you think you got out of the house and you're like, oh, maybe the whole house is bad. Bats are fucked up. I don't know why. Like bats don't actually do anything, right?
00:08:59
Speaker
They're actually pretty good. As long as they're not in your attic and they're out out of the house, they're good for obviously eating bugs, but just a lot of ecosystem stuff and they're they're not terrible. I guess the guano, which is their dumps, you don't want to touch that. but Why is that?
00:09:17
Speaker
I don't know. It's got some sort of toxins or parasites in it. Have you ever had a rat in your house or around you? No, never seen a rat. I mean, you don't don't see a lot of them in Denver or in Colorado. they They're probably more in the city in Denver, but...
Urban Rat Challenges and Solutions
00:09:33
Speaker
Yeah, i walked out ah I walked out of the comedy works one time, comedy club, and I had this secret stash parking space. It was the best. It was like, it it was an alley. that There was always a parking space, and they never ticketed it. It was like it slipped through the cracks.
00:09:46
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And I walked out of the club. It was like 9.30, 10 o'clock at night, walked down the alley, and there fucking rats everywhere at the time I was walking in there. And I was like, holy shit. I had no idea. They were there.
00:09:59
Speaker
It was terrible. In the city, yeah, they're they're all over. Like even if you're in a nice building, like New York obviously is notorious for this and some of the other major cities, but like you could be in a nice building and these MFs and climb up 30 floors through the walls,
00:10:14
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and find pathways to your house. And so you have to really work to seal things off. I remember like we had that condo in fucking Aurora and the builders left a gaping hole ah behind where they installed the stove.
00:10:33
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And so we were just like, and it's, there's not much space, cause you have a, um there's just nowhere for mice to get in. And it just took me forever to figure out where these MFs are coming, coming from. I couldn't figure it out.
00:10:46
Speaker
And they were basically being invited into your house because of the hole. Yeah, there's a hole right there. And there's like a, you know, they try to create space between each part um or each condo. And so they must be digging underground and coming through there. And they look for warmth.
00:11:01
Speaker
So anyway, i sealed that off and never had a mouse again. But like a couple funny stories are like, it gets in the back of the fridge and dies where the fridge fan is. They die there. And that just kicks the smell up. And we're new, we're young. We're like in our 20s. And we're like,
00:11:16
Speaker
what the fuck is going on? We have no idea, no experience. And then we see one just dead on the kitchen countertop. Like it fell and you're just like, what? We have no idea what's going on.
00:11:27
Speaker
But finally I so sealed that off, but that traumatized me. And then we went to the next house and mystery mouse was haunting us. Man. I haven't had any, didn't have any. Once I sealed up the mountains, never had them again.
00:11:39
Speaker
But the lady before was a dumb ass and basically left a hole in the side of the house. In the mountains, that's just like, you' you're ready for an infestation. Right. No cat. No, you guys aren't cat people. Cats aren't going shit. Cats crush that shit though. You don't think so?
00:11:54
Speaker
then but But they're going to bring it around and drop it all places. like And depending on how big the problem is, the only solution is a seal off. And then if you wanted to like reduce the population around you, you can put bait. But if you put bait in the garage, they're going to come in. They constantly come in.
00:12:11
Speaker
So you want to pick up poisoned mice all over. It's a real hassle. Some people don't give a shit. They don't. They literally, a rat comes to house like, oh, fuck. And then it goes away and they're like, eh, okay. Yeah, like people are picking up animals and shit. Like, come on.
00:12:26
Speaker
Although rat, yeah, rat is the worst too. Like, i oh, rat. We had rats and in our old house in Cartago and it was... Oh, terrible, dude. You hear him, like, running around in the attic, and then... But but we had... There was this, like, guard, neighborhood guard who didn't give a fuck, and he came in and basically caught the thing by the tail and just pounded it into the submission to kill it. It was like, all right.
00:12:49
Speaker
You just had one rat? I think there were multiple ones, but... but Yeah, it was, I was like, I'm not fucking with the rat. Somebody else has got to take care of that.
00:12:59
Speaker
And then once you kill the rat, you got this giant, dead, ugly-ass animal there. I know. But I see rats here all the time, like in the gutters and shit. There's there's rats all over this place. No, I mean, a jungle. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. And like, I had a Jungle and Europeans.
00:13:16
Speaker
take out like two dead skunks from the barn and just a nightmare up there. And then I'd fucking run over voles, which are the kind of rat like underground mice looking things and run over them with my mower. And it's just feels so disgusting.
00:13:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yuck. Uh, what about, you're not, you're not a hunter, right? You have, you have ethical issues. Like as we bump it up the scale of killing, what's your, what's your take on hunting?
00:13:44
Speaker
I'm not a hunter, but I mean, I don't mind if people do under the control of yeah a federal regulation, dude, because some of these fat fucks cruise around their ATVs and try to grab animals outside of the rules.
00:14:00
Speaker
Fuck them. And then also I think we all should eat a lot less meat in general, so. do you think game I wonder game, though, supposedly is better for you? like so So a hunter who goes out, stalks his prey, kills it,
Ethics of Game Meat vs. Industrially Farmed Meat
00:14:14
Speaker
harvests it, eats it. I don't really have a problem with that. I wonder if that's a healthier so meat source than like... It's gotta be than like industrial farming, right?
00:14:23
Speaker
Of course. It has to be. I went into a place for business and this these people had a bunch of exotic animals that they killed like cheetahs and shit. And I'm like, what are you doing that for? I don't get that.
00:14:36
Speaker
Yeah, that's, that's where I draw the line. but I would like, yeah. When I see that stuff, it's sort of like the, the people that do that. I would like to turn the tables on them and just have some people hunt them and just put their head on a trophy.
Movies and Concepts of Hunting Humans
00:14:49
Speaker
I don't get that. Yeah, exactly. like Well, that, that was a movie. I, I, Steve was in a movie about hunting humans. I can't remember what was called, but, uh, yeah, that's, that's, I'm sure there's P there's somewhere in the world. People are probably hunting humans for fun.
00:15:04
Speaker
Right. i Probably not. just Just violence? You mean hunting them? I bet. There's fucked up shit going all over the world and there's people that are enslaved and I bet you some people are like, we're going to have, for fun, we're going to hunt humans because...
00:15:21
Speaker
I doubt that's happening now. I'm sure it has, but there are actually two movies coming out about that particular topic. Oh, thank God. Finally. Yeah, there's two movies that I saw previous, but I don't know about that, buddy. but i'm I mean, it's not going to be advertised, dude. It's not like you're going to find it streaming. You mean from a gamesmanship perspective or just from a bounty hunter, criminal or a gang related? More like a gamesmanship where somebody's offering on like the black market, like, okay, what's the, you know, just like you probably shouldn't be killing and dangerous lions or something, but people are doing it, right? Like people are finding a way. And so there's probably someone who's like, what's the, what is the most intelligent opponent for hunting? And someone's probably like a human.
00:16:04
Speaker
And they're probably like, all right. we're going to we're gonna make it happen somewhere in some fucked up place. Okay, maybe, but I don't even know how you set that up with a willing participant.
00:16:16
Speaker
Well, they're they're most likely not willing. i The only way to be willing if they're like, I got nothing to lose, and if you give me a million bucks, you can have people hunt me and give me two weeks. But how do they set that up? like Because if it's just a random homeless person, you just go walk up to them and shoot them.
00:16:30
Speaker
How do you get them to run and use their intelligence to evade you? I don't really get it. You think my number's up? You think it's 1.2 million? i think I think there's been a sick, rich fuck that's maybe conceptualized it but not been able to execute it.
00:16:44
Speaker
Right. Could you... Is there anything that could bring you to kill ah another human?
Killing for Protection and Moral Dilemmas
00:16:51
Speaker
I'll kill all MAGA people. i Yeah, I think if somebody had beat and was in the beating and raping one of my family members, I think that would be high probability that I would take it to that level.
00:17:09
Speaker
Yeah. What about war? You think you could, i mean, some, like, people, historically, people, almost everyone in the, like, men and all across history had were basically fighting in wars, right?
00:17:20
Speaker
It's only until recently that we have, like, extended periods of peace. And so I guess killing people is kind of normal, or dying in war is kind of normal as far as human history is concerned.
00:17:32
Speaker
But i I think I would have a hard time killing somebody. I think I still have some Catholic guilt or something wrapped around it. I think if the cause reaches you with a certain level of intensity, um you probably don't.
00:17:47
Speaker
And then if you were just shipped off, like from a draft perspective, you would have such attachment to the guys you're with that you would defend them regardless of what the political circumstances are. But suppose...
00:18:01
Speaker
Suppose somebody is trying to take over the U.S. and take away everything you love and cherish about this country. I don't think you'd have a hard time shooting those those people. I thought you were making a joke. ah Kind of, but kind of given the circumstances. But, you know, I don't see you having a problem. I think you'd probably die early.
00:18:19
Speaker
you You don't think I'd have a problem killing someone? Not in that environment, no. So so think of think of the evil of the Nazi regime that you've come to read revisionist history about and now you support. But actually think back before you read this new stuff. But think of the evil. Nazi sympathizer. yeah idea Think of that evil and ask yourself, could you kill those people?
00:18:46
Speaker
And I don't think you'd have a problem. Yeah, it'd have to be preventing some serious evil. And then you probably would be like, I have to do this. Something like that, right? Well, there's two things. One is your survival. And you're put in this place where you're essentially a soldier.
00:19:02
Speaker
I think that would drive most people. and and And still, there'd be trauma with it. But if you were in that situation, and there was some real evil that you were combating, you would glorify it probably.
00:19:15
Speaker
To be healthy, you would say, we got to do this. i don't think you'd have a problem. ah you have you just have to You just have to make a decision. I guess that's what they teach in gun training, too, where like you make the decision beforehand. So so you're kind of like, all right, if I see this amount of evil and it looks like... like And you're also in the Nazi situation.
00:19:35
Speaker
You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't say, if I see this amount of evil, you would have established whatever the uniform is of the shitty... But but that's you're saying the same thing. Yeah, just the uniform. I wouldn't be like looking to witness...
00:19:49
Speaker
grave evil before i shoot him i just say you're ah you have that uniform on i'm killing you is that what you mean you're making it yeah but you're you are making a decision but you're making it more broader well so what if you ran into nazi's like i don't fucking i'm i don't want to be here or this is not what i signed up for okay but how does that come on lance take it easy bro like someone says that to you how does that get off my ass man
00:20:14
Speaker
I don't see how you strike up that conversation. I don't see how that ensues in a combat environment. But if that were the case, yes, and we just could connect on our our humanity, I wouldn't kill them.
00:20:26
Speaker
But where does it stop? Because you also could say, well, but then ah then all Germans are, all Germans, they like you you're almost like any, like so people vote, you know, most of Germany supported Hitler at some point in time.
00:20:38
Speaker
Well, it would stop when there's surrender. And then, you know, you would capture ah military people as prisoners of war until there's complete surrender and the war is ending. And then you move to a level of compassion because most people are just subjected to whatever the crazy leader is doing, which is what I hope people would do with America when Trump gets us into some fucked up thing.
00:21:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, i'm I'm saying I think we should still be killing Germans just in case. Like if they're descendants of Nazis or anyone who voted for the Nazi party, like just in case you should probably kill them. And then that I'm like, okay, I can kill somebody.
00:21:17
Speaker
That's maybe even Persians too. Could you kill Osama bin Laden if you had to? what Was that like what he did or what we what we been taught when told that he did? with Would that be if you had a shot at him?
00:21:31
Speaker
You're like you were you're with your wife in Hawaii and you're like, oh, fuck that's him. Would you just take a shot at him? You kill him? I know. I know he's dead. It depends on the circus. Yeah, it depends on the circus. But yeah, call the authorities probably though, right?
00:21:43
Speaker
maybe ah Well, sure. I'd be reasonable. I'm out there. I'm on a vacation in Jamaica. You said Jamaica with my family. I said Hawaii, but you can say. Hawaii and then I got to break off and kill Osama. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. But if I was tasked to do it and trained and ah yeah, for sure.
00:22:00
Speaker
there There are some people in the, in that hold on. There are some people in the Trump administration that I fantasize, fantasize about doing that too. Killing that ass. Cause they're truly, and I usually use sort of like a Marvel superhero framework where I have some powers to like fuck with them because I don't want to, I don't want that fantasy to be real.
00:22:21
Speaker
But I have some friends that actually have thought about like ah assassination type plots. It's all fake, but they're fantasies. But they're actually the realest. I can't go there. I got to make it like sort of a Marvel superhero thing.
00:22:33
Speaker
I just think that that Stephen Miller guy is really at his core evil. Yeah, like you're saying if you if you you can you can justify it if you if you knew there was true evil So if I found out that my neighbor was like a pedophile raping boys or you did i think it way works better in my shitty apartment complex than your luxury luxury estate neighborhood but uh Like, you know, is that a license? like You know what? I'm going handle this fucking problem so he doesn't he doesn't ruin anyone else's life.
00:23:01
Speaker
I don't know if I'd kill him. It depends on how close I was to that activity in terms of, like, did he fuck with somebody, one of my kids or something? But I definitely beat him down on the verge.
00:23:12
Speaker
Right. And harassed the fuck out of him until he left. Just keep beating him. I'm assuming I had the capacity to do that. Like, I'm getting old now. i might idea of what I'm capable of is so far-fetched from what it was.
00:23:26
Speaker
Like I used to just be able to, i remember getting in a huge fight in college. I just was so fast. I was fucked. I just was fast. I like i could do things. Now I'm not sure I could, just even, have you ever thrown a punch and hit a guy in the face? It hurts like hell. I think my whole hand my whole hand would shatter.
00:23:41
Speaker
And taking a punch with my nose and cheekbones, I just think it's just not the same. But to the extent I had the capacity, I'd beat a boy raper to all hell.
00:23:55
Speaker
I'd beat him. I would have no problem. God damn. i can I can reserve so much anger for for shit like that, and I can find it quickly. that's it's weird how easy it it like especially if you start to picture your own family and and it's it's easy it's almost easy to get like out of control upset about something that ne that's not happening isn't it i know you like your hate that this this imaginary person right now you're like oh i know mean i would fuck him so or if you will if if you watched a nazi someone in auschwitz just fucking with people and doing terrible shit you would be like i will i'd rather torture you than kill you or something you know it's
00:24:31
Speaker
The beauty of
Impact of Documentaries on Human Brutality
00:24:32
Speaker
imagination. By the way, you have to see, I think it was 1996, they did a documentary about Auschwitz and the Holocaust. And it is, the visuals are so brutal to your brain.
00:24:47
Speaker
Where they show those like skinny bodies piled on top of each other, all that kind of crap. But la they're alive too. And it's just unbelievable. And they show so much in that environment, even to where the, when the Americans came, I can't remember what facility, it might've been Auschwitz. They unleashed the near broken Jews on some of the German soldiers and like watching them like pull apart a couple of these motherfuckers in their frail bones go at this soldier and kill him in the most brutal way. You don't see all of that, but you see kind of the start of that.
00:25:22
Speaker
it's it is it'll sit so it'll sit with you forever but you gotta assume that that those people like those people might have been before that experience some of them might have been like what i'm saying where they're like yeah i'm not i can't kill somebody but they were put in a situation where they were like they they had they had such rage for these people because they because they knew what those people did to their friends and family and everything right that they were oh my god were forced to the no wild savages for an afternoon Of course. And and like I just found myself literally like cheering for my for a football team. Like, yeah, fuck, yeah, fuck. like I was that angry already because seeing these soldiers go around, it's just seeing how malnourished and how just destroyed these people were and like what they were forced to do.
00:26:07
Speaker
like some Some young kids had the job of cleaning out all the bodies from the fucking gas chamber. Imagine that job at 14. and your amount And they're Jews doing it, right? Like they're making their own people clean up their bodies. yeah Yes. And that was a way to get a better meal and stuff like that. yeah It was fucked up. And I just don't know how humans, other humans would oversee that. So that that to me says like the soldiers are God conditioned at some point to be evil. And I like to see that kind of person get pulled apart like a bunch of zombies, just ripping his skin off and just the most brutal death ever is what that person deserves.
00:26:44
Speaker
So I think you answered the the question wonderfully. You could kill. Yeah, I think most everyone could. And we live in a ah really sort of fantasy, civilized society.
00:26:55
Speaker
We can envision it breaking down to where that kind of survival is necessary. Although I do, being retired, I think about that kind of stuff more than ah i have. But yeah, it wouldn't take much.
00:27:05
Speaker
What do you think? Is there any sort of like moral or eternal punishment for for in that situation? Or is it your your God is a case by case where he's like, oh of course, I'm glad you you killed that person for humanity. So it's fine.
00:27:18
Speaker
Oh, I think religious justifications gone on since the start of men and women. So, yeah, but at some level, just the idea of just killing someone for no reason is probably not good, right?
00:27:30
Speaker
but No. There's justifiable reasons that even even a religious person or some sort of higher power would be like, that you did what you did the right thing. I don't even think religious religion comes into play for me. I think there's actually a biological morality that there's a structure of, uh, an evolutionary structure for survival, long-term survival where that doesn't make sense. But you could see, let's say you're in a smaller tribe back in history.
00:27:57
Speaker
If somebody was a wild card and crazy and a threat to the community, you would have to get rid of them. hu And, ah That was a normal thing you're saying kind of for them. just think was probably, yeah, most of history. And the religious piece, I think, had done more damage, has done more damage, caused more justifiable in their minds violence.
00:28:21
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But just I think there's an innate morality in most of us with healthy brains. But suppose you had somebody that didn't have a healthy brain who was, I don't know, raping everybody in the village. You just have to kill that person or find a way to imprison them.
00:28:37
Speaker
Will you stop, dude? Like everyone's just like the left-leaning pacifist. Come on, Bob. hey Hey, Juan, stop raping.
00:28:48
Speaker
That's eight rapes this week. Come on, guy. and People are like, you got to kill him. Come on. No, we have to take the moral high ground here. I think, though, a lot of people are thinking about this stuff. When you see the Minneapolis crap, even the even some moderate right-winger types are like, fuck this. You don't know.
00:29:08
Speaker
Tyranny is gets everybody keyed up. And I think a lot of people are thinking about what role they might play in some sort of dystopian fall of America.
00:29:19
Speaker
What do you, I mean, if you're the person that killed, I don't, i don't know, remember the guy's name, him like an Italian name, but it wasn't even, it wasn't even not like a legal alien. Was it Bochy or whatever? The guy just got shot in Minnesota.
00:29:31
Speaker
The ICU nurse guy? Yeah. If you, if you're the one that killed that guy, Like what do you think? Like what's going through your head? Like you don't even have the justification like, oh he was... You know, he was raping kids or he was Jeffrey Epstein. It's just some guy that was at a rally.
00:29:47
Speaker
And you're, you' so the rest of your life, even if even if the government's like, no they they were just doing their job. You gotta live with the fact that you fucking killed someone for basically no reason.
00:29:58
Speaker
What a, I mean, that's gotta be a horrible life. I don't think he has that level of reflection, but I think he's seeing that that guy was a ah potential threat and he can justify sort of saving the lives of his brother or his colleagues. And there's a lot of justifications. I think the human mind is actually quite brilliant at justifying extreme things.
00:30:20
Speaker
Absolutely. especially if it's it's related to your survival. I have empathy, obviously, for the Nazi soldiers and people that were pulled into that against their will and had to you know have to participate in cruelty.
00:30:33
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and And there's some level of cruelties that maybe you just you give yourself up and say, i can't do, and and that means you're dead in an environment like that. But like I don't know, man. I doubt that that guy gives a fuck.
00:30:46
Speaker
Yeah, that's what you just said. It's a different topic, but like that's the idea. like you know where you like When you're in war and you're kind of going to see with them or me, and it's like, is there any... ah You said, you probably you're right. I think that was a good point you made. You justify it by going, like well, i'm just gonna I'm just going to take care of my brothers. I'm going to defend for my brothers I'm fighting with.
00:31:07
Speaker
But is, is there any moral high ground? Cause you know, most likely in war, the people on the other side are generally the same as you. They just got thrown into the fire. They're not the ah power brokers that started the war. and then you're like, you're kind of like, well, fine.
00:31:19
Speaker
It's either them or you. It's like some sort of martyr justification where you're like, I'm not going to kill them. They kill me fine, but I'm, but you know what i mean? Yeah, I try to think of like, how does people get to that crazy space where they lose all reason? And like, even think of like the soldiers that come in and the Nazis were doing this, the Russians were doing this, where they come in and rape the village women and then kill people. And you go, ah how does that happen? well Yeah, like those soldiers probably weren't like serial rapists outside of this event. No, no. I think what they did is they've been over time were conditioned to see the evil of the other. And the other, maybe they witnessed the other come out and, you know, blow up one of their soldier friends or whatever could have happened or just the overall structure of of their regiment creates this just and insanity about the other being the enemy that you'll you'll do anything to cause pain.
00:32:15
Speaker
Yeah, and you're in this sort of treachery for a while. So you're like, your brain is already conditioned. like You're watching people die, you're watching brutality, and then you're kind of like, you you lower your guard a little bit. And you're also being told that the other side is are horrible, terrible people, right? Sure, yeah, they'll kill you, yeah. And then you're like, oh, they're doing what they're doing is bad.
00:32:36
Speaker
And then you're in Russia, and and you know you go into a town, bunch of Katarina Witt-looking women.
00:32:47
Speaker
yeah so you got to get down to business huh yeah i'm sure you go in there you're like hey how are you guys doing and then they're like you fucking oppressing pieces of shit and you're like come on dude so ah this has got this has gone and what a direction what a deep one i'll start with a little mouse mouse kit i don't know how it started actually do you feel if you run have you ever run over anything Like a dog, someone's dog or a cat or... Squirrels, but no.
00:33:14
Speaker
You're pretty pretty dope driver. Sort of hard to go from like the Nazi war talk back to killing animals. it's it's like It's like a poorly written movie. oh Yeah, but I could bring it back up because you're talking about this general guilt.
00:33:28
Speaker
So we, you know, we like a crescendo. We bring it down a little bit. This is like check drop in a comedy show. The, uh, you know, like 45 minutes, the waitresses bring out the checks and you got, you got to kill some time, but no one's fucking giving a shit.
00:33:40
Speaker
We're giving our audience a chance to breathe. there We just put them on a pretty hard, hard roller coaster. Well, let's keep it going to where if you, would you act, if you accidentally hit a human, would you drive off?
Motorcycle Accidents and Emotional Impact
00:33:51
Speaker
That's intense. I was going to ask you something like that, but maybe not that that that ridiculous. ah I was going to get back to, you know, we we're talking a little bit about, like, you you basically said you if if there was enough evil on the other receiving end, you would feel zero guilt and don't think it's a moral, religious, spiritual issue. So i was goingnna i was going to get this back. Did you run over a squirrel and then ramp it up to if you accidentally hit a human, how horrible would your life be, whether even if it was their fault?
00:34:19
Speaker
And you might be like, Like i would i would have a hard time living like a a productive life. It'd be hard. But suppose you were- Vehicular manslaughter or something like that. Yeah. Suppose you were kind of drinking or there was there was going to be a reason and ah a high likelihood you'd go to prison and you're out in the middle of nowhere and you hit somebody.
00:34:40
Speaker
Would you drive on? i No, dude. I don't think so. Well, and but but that's one of those things where youre where you go, well, human, like I have, we all have capabilities that we don't know.
00:34:51
Speaker
And if you're like, oh my god. Like, if you're sitting in the moment, you're buzzed, and you're like, all alright, so if I stay here, that means my kids grew up without a dad. I'm in a fucking total Latin American prison.
00:35:03
Speaker
Like, that's probably not that good. And this person's already dead, so I can't take that back. So all I can do is free myself and try to make the world a better place. You could you might be able justify it that way.
00:35:14
Speaker
Cause like who's in their head the time being you know what? I need, I need to be punished. I need to serve the, it's like, and I'll take care of that myself. I'll punish myself. So yeah I don't know now that, now that you bring it up, but I, uh, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm trying to think if I've ever hit a car and like left.
00:35:33
Speaker
i think I think I have done that before. Like touch it. like You might think? Sometimes your memory recollection is funny to me. There was another thing that you didn't, oh, you didn't remember if you got a colonoscopy.
00:35:44
Speaker
And I was like shocked by that. Like everybody remembers that. But not remembering whether you hit a car and then like drove off. Well, I've never, I've obviously never had a fucking full-blown accident that I've taken off from.
00:35:56
Speaker
But like if you're in a parking lot and you're like, oh, I think I might've scraped the side of that car. or something like that and you're like i'm not getting out the look and i'm not gonna hang out here so i'm gonna leave it's not a huge event in my life that happened 15 years ago that i'm like i know that i did that but i think i probably have that's what i'm saying i don't have it in me i put a stay no i'd put a note i don't know yeah i would like to think that i don't either but no and then i would not i would I would, uh, call the police if I hit somebody.
00:36:29
Speaker
I just don't have it in me. I don't think because I think the torture of, uh, holding that in, i don't know. That could be a torturous life. Yeah. I, but it's, it happens to me all the time down here. My car is like scraped up to hell. No. Well, I'm talking about killing somebody, but yeah, okay. We go back to the... Yeah, killing someone, i think I think we all agree. We probably... ah You know, one thing that I'm always thinking about here is like with all the... every If I leave the house, I'll see three or four motorcycles down on the road.
00:36:57
Speaker
Like if I drive through San Jose every day. Accidents where motorcycles... Because they're like weaving in and out of traffic. and And I'm like, fuck. Fuck. and And some of those are fatalities. And I'm like, so the guy driving has to live with that shit. And it's probably not his fault, but it doesn't matter. You still have to sit there and live with the fact that you but you you were involved in someone's death.
00:37:18
Speaker
And I'm like, ah, that sucks because that guy lost his life. But he also kind of like took the other person's life in a way. Or maybe not. Maybe for some people it's like, it's his fucking fault. He was driving like a maniac. Is that you?
00:37:30
Speaker
ah With some of those guys, because I think we they post the motorcycle deaths on a sign across the highways and there's always just so many more than you'd ever expect. Right, even up there you think?
00:37:42
Speaker
In Colorado, no, there's a ton. You see the way some of these guys drive? it It feels like they they actually do have a death wish. Yeah, but like, are they idiots? they just like a need for adrenaline? Or you think it's actual a death wish? People are like, this is a good way to die. I've i've tried to ponder it. I don't really know why you'd want.
00:38:02
Speaker
I just don't know what drives somebody to drive that reckless recklessly, that fast, that a weaving in between all the cars, stopping, starting, gunning it, and just going way above speed limit.
00:38:15
Speaker
on something on something that's so fragile. I don't i don't know what that personality is. I really don't, dude. But like some of these dudes, I know they're, I look at some guys' behavior. ah One guy recently and I'm like, that guy probably has two months.
00:38:29
Speaker
Yeah. It's different up there. You're talking about people that are on the open road weaving like at 120 miles an hour in a crotch rocket, right? Going like in all that kind of crap. Yeah. You know, Santa Fe road. It's kind of like a hybrid highway with lights. It's like a great place to speed if you're in a crotch rocket.
00:38:46
Speaker
It is because you get a stop and start. And get to the wing. So I don't know what those kids, usually younger people, but sometimes old guys, you know, the Harley guys, they're lot of them are old and they've been riding crazy for a long time, but they seem to figure it out.
00:39:02
Speaker
Yeah. It seems less reckless, but yeah, that's different. I mean, I don't know. Even in that situation, if I had, it's just a guy going 140 and gotten a situation that couldn't get out of and hit your car and went flying over the handlebars and died, you'd probably be like,
00:39:16
Speaker
Man, that sucks, but you wouldn't really carry a lot of guilt. But ah here, I mean, it's still people doing stupid shit, but you're like, there there's there are some situations where like you might not be able to see them, and others' cars might have stopped to like let somebody go, and you didn't stop or something, you're like, fuck.
00:39:34
Speaker
it's part of the culture, too. I think there's more motorbikes, and it's like also like not everybody can afford a car. It's kind of like yeah in your Europe, where a lot of people have bikes, or India. Exactly. Yeah, and it's just like normal. I mean, I've had people yell at me because like not just motorcycles. I've almost gotten the, almost gotten the fights with, with motorcycle people now. I try to stop that because my kids are like, what's your fucking problem? Like, relax.
00:39:57
Speaker
I'll like be, I'm following this guy. I need to let him know that he can't he can't do this. Oh, yeah, you gotta shut that off quick. had a threaten to punch me. I might have talked about this already, but threatened to punch me in my face in front of my kids. And I had face like out the window. I'm like, you gonna do it? Do it.
00:40:13
Speaker
And he was just like, I will break your fucking face. You want me to do that right in front of your kids? And then we're just like sitting middle of the highway. it was like this big mead head dork. But ah anyways...
00:40:25
Speaker
What was I? was I forgot. I lost my train of thought thinking about that story. Got you fired up, boy. Yeah. I need to stop following people home. but You're just talking about motorcycle deaths. And and it's it's a high probability there.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yeah. it's It's like, fuck. i have ran I have hit a motorcycle. I was in my mother-in-law's car car and I hit a motorcycle, but it was his fault. And i've tried I've tried to pull. I forgot about this, actually. I pulled. I like moved my car.
00:40:53
Speaker
like to get out of the middle of the road and within like 10 seconds there was like 15 motorcycle dudes around me like ah like to defend the other guy they thought I was like gonna hit him and run And i but my Spanish was terrible at the time, but I fucking freaked out. I was screaming at everyone. I was just like, i don't give a fuck.
00:41:09
Speaker
And there's a lot of there's a lot of cases down here where you'll hear like people got jumped by all these motorcycle people because they're defending other motor motorcycle guys. And I was just saying i but i was just got out of the car like in a fit of rage. And so everyone was kind of like, all right, this guy's a lunatic.
00:41:24
Speaker
Was that guy fine? Sounds like the guy you hit. Yeah, he was fine, but his motorcycle was all fucked up and stuff. And so I was like screaming in terrible Spanish like he fucking hit me. It's not my fault and all this shit.
00:41:37
Speaker
And he's just like, no, he probably was like, this is great. I got some gringo. I can make some money out of this. So he's like faking. He's all hurt and shit. And I'm just like, fuck that. And then a couple other people came out and they're like, I saw the whole thing. Motorcycle guy like he was He was in the middle of the lane. They they were basically like it was his fault. And I was just like, you you want to fucking call the cops? and Call the cops. We have witnesses here. And then and then we all just left.
00:42:00
Speaker
And all the people that were ready to jump me were like, okay, see you later. That's a great story. But that was one of those moments where i'm like, who was that person?
Unexpected Aggression and Closing Remarks
00:42:09
Speaker
Because it's not like me, right?
00:42:12
Speaker
But it's kind of like you're saying that you could probably get... you could probably get ah You could find a place to torture someone if you thought that they were being abusive to children or something like that. You could you would actually want to like inflict mental and physical pain on this person before killing them.
00:42:29
Speaker
And i I got to some place where i was like, i will I don't give a fuck if there's 500 idiots out here ready to jump me. like I was just like, this is fucking horse shit. Yeah, so that's tough, bro. That is tough.
00:42:42
Speaker
We should end on that. That's so tough. Yeah. End the story is I went to my office and managed inventories. So, like a badass. So that was a good episode, Lance. I thought you brought it today. I wish I could have matched you, but... You never do. Why don't you go get me one of them peas, boy?
00:43:07
Speaker
I want one of them O's
00:43:12
Speaker
Now go get one of them S's What's that spell? POS It doesn't stand for anything
00:43:34
Speaker
You feel me, motherfucker? P to the O to the S, you know. P to the O to the S, you know. P to the O to the S, you know. You stupid motherfuckers ought to know.