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Fear Everything From Here On Out
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Matt sent Lance a doomsday podcast. They discuss it because nothing is more creative than listening to a podcast in order to create a podcast.
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Opening and Humor
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These motherfuckers crazy. You ain't gotta say all that, man. Can you feel it?
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I'm piece of shit. Can you smell it? I'm a piece of shit. Everybody want to come hear my problem.
Show Preparation
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Good prep, dude. Way to prep the show. ah wow. Yeah. We've been going at it for hours now. Getting this one dialed in. ah I'm just looking at what I... So I sent you that link.
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And sometimes I send stuff to Lance knowing that he's down on on the the state of the world. And i know it makes them, in a weird way, it makes them happy. If someone someone backs up his points, that be like whether it could be AI, which would be this episode, or Trump, or...
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Religion, whatever's ruining the world and there's ah someone has a ah ah take, it secretly makes you little a little happier that day.
Podcast Comparisons
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and And that makes me happy. So.
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Well, good. Because I think when you're spiraling with in fear, you're spiraling to be validated that you're not crazy. like That's that's a good thing. Yeah, well did but do you ever you ever listen to someone who has your viewpoint?
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I don't know, what well we'll just say AI, like this one. This guy that we're going to talk about today, or what I sent you, but do you go, oh fuck, that fucker sounds crazy. Like when you hear what you you're thinking and then you hear it from a different viewpoint, are you like, oh yeah.
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ah yeah I mean, I've done that before, I've listened to someone else, like like talking about how great drinking is, for it would be one for me, because I used to tell people, like, why are you fucking drinking? But then I listen to someone else talk about it, and I'm like, wow.
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Yeah. Yeah. I've definitely done that. i Like on the liberal side, there's this podcast. I've had it. this This gal, Jennifer Welch, and I forget her partner, Pumps, call her Pumps.
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Yeah, but these women are just the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh. And so every title of their podcast is this. exhausting sounding spiral, death spiral of Washington. And you're just always overwhelmed.
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So I know that that is over the top. But you love it. I don't listen much. ah Just if I really want some ear candy. ah You know, I don't really listen anymore, though. it's just too much. But yeah, I feel you. But they they come across as crazy in terms of how they interpret a ah a sentence that Trump says or sentence that, you know,
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Lindsey Graham used to say, or Mitch McConnell or whoever.
AI Whistleblower Discussion
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I mean, the saddest thing about the this AI whistleblower that I sent you the podcast of is that he sounds zero crazy, completely like completely um logical, and basically described like a no way out situation.
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Exactly. Yeah, and I was like, oh, this is not a crazy fuck. No, and he's us not selling a thing. He's like selling his AI safety stuff. He's selling, right? He's not selling. He's just he's just ah trying to get the society on board with it. And he gave up $2 million. dollars I researched the guy because I was suspicious. I researched him. yeah gave ah gave up $2 million, is not writing books or doing anything to make a ton of money. Maybe he's getting paid on these podcasts, but he's just running this helping run this organization for AI safety. So, yeah, that you're exactly right. I was like, oh, fuck, dude.
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Yeah. It's pretty funny. Yeah, well, we'll get to it. But i yeah I've been, once, when I start running, I'm always trying to look for shit to
Podcast Preferences and Recommendations
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listen to. And I can't like, I don't know, there's just so many podcasts I can't do.
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well But I came across, huh? Let me say, there's a new drop of Neighborhood Vibes. i knew My new skit. So let's listen that next time. Dude, I always listen to us, and I'm happy. Okay. I almost wish we'd we'd start making the the the lengths of our podcast ah like the the distance that I can jog so it gets me home. Because what happens is it doesn't always...
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It doesn't always go the next... oh Excuse me. It doesn't always go the next POS or one of your skits. like It'll like send me to fucking your boy, ah Tucker. or itll ah Luckily, it sent me to this guy. who what what was ah You just said it before. What was the name?
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what's The story of a CEO with... Oh, that guy's Stephen Bartlett. he's just Is he like a super famous podcaster? Yeah, he is now. He's got a whole yeah empire of it. and I mean, he's a great interviewer. I don't really know much about him. but I mean, side note, like anything sexier than black guy with a British accent.
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Right. yeah know If you're you're hitting on a girl, then that one of those guys walks up, you're just like, go you can have her. Right. I must be why the Tate brothers can rape anybody they want.
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Are they British? I think so. yeah Anyways, i he his show is pretty good, i think, because he he lets people talk. But that just popped up one day, luckily, and i and so I started listening to it. um There's another one I would listen to. went surfing with my daughter last couple of days. and where Have you ever heard of the Soft and Underbelly?
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Mm-mm. That is a fucking crazy part. He just has like regular criminals on. So he'll have ex-mobsters. They're not all criminals. He'll have ex-gangbangers, narcos. He has... ah What's the guy Epstein victims like in and he just lets these people talk and they're like ex-meth addicts what drug addicts.
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So I've been listening to that but I'm because I listen. Huh. Isn't it amazing how this is taken off and just the genre specific success that you can have in this space. It's i don't know what it is. It's like taking radio and then you know When you tune the dial, you can tune it to any sort of custom interest or desire that you have, and you're like, bam.
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Dude, it is bizarre. It makes it cool, but it's also overwhelming to kind of find stuff. That's probably why we're not taking off, dude. I was like i was like falling asleep last night in our hotel room. I was listening to this. this I think it might have been Sammy Gravano or something. It was a mobster.
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But then she's like, what's that? And then it was playing in the morning, and ah and ah the episode had ended, and it shifted to some... I don't know, some gangbanger dude. And then she's like, let's go back to, is there is there more of those mafia guys? So we're listening to Chicago mobster. And she got, she was so into it. It'd be like, wait, shut up. You know, like, like she was just like, and I was like, damn.
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So that's what we're up against. Sammy, the bull Gravano tone, hit stories. And, and you and I are talking about midlife is hard. Come on, bro. Yeah, but I think with my new skits, that'll clear a path, don't you think?
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Yeah. so And then I i i was like, i what did i used to listen to? So I listened to the David Spade and what's his name? Dave Carvey. Carvey Show. and And that show's interesting because i always loved those guys. They're funny dudes, but they talk over their guests so much. it's it's like it's It makes me laugh. they they Now they talk about it. They'll be like, we're not we'll let you talk in about an hour.
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But they had Ed Norton on. He's a great actor. Yeah, right. But he was talking about some new movie, and it was like, oh, my God. Listen to actors talk about like like strength and brilliance and and like like about the director. and it was like I saw that movie, dude.
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It was fantastic, yeah. The four rooms are are four people in a room or something like that? It was called The Invite. Yeah, but isn't it about for like two couples? that Yeah. like four people in the whole movie.
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You like could you tell there was a serious amount of courage
Film and Directing Insights
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in the directing style? Did you feel it? I thought it was fantastic. but Just to re recap, it was invite. Like legit, it was four people and there wasn't really a dull moment.
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so And what was ah what's the girl's name? the the main She directed it. Olivia Wilde. That ugly bitch. That doesn't do plastic surgery and look at how ugly she's gotten.
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is she Is she plasticed up? um No, she won't. I don't think she does it. think she's and anti. What is she, 28? She's our age. Really? Yeah.
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So I don't i like Ed Norton. He's like fun to listen to, but i just was like it was like 45 minutes about like how how she shot it and the courage. and i Yeah, yeah. Come on.
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but Yeah, but relative to what? like If somebody's asking about a cultural medium and you expect Ed Norton not to take it seriously, I mean, come on, bro. Yeah, and he's promoting a movie. And he had some other good good stories. he talked about like He was talking about when Fight Club came out, how it bombed.
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And they were they were somewhere and they they released it somewhere where they shouldn't, like the Venice venice Italy. Film Festival? Yeah. Yeah, and he was like, it was not the right place for it And him and Brad Bradley were in the theater, and people were like booing and walking out. And he was like, oh my God, it's a disaster.
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And it was like... And Brad was like, I think that's the best movie I'll ever make. And no one likes it. Let's go smoke some pot or something like that. And they get back to America. And, you know, we love that shit.
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No, it was. I didn't know this, but I didn't really like it, actually. But it was a box office fight club. Oh, I thought it was great. thought it was like a real psychological a barn burner.
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i I hated all that shit back then because I felt like it was like, that's exactly what they were trying to do. It was like, I don't know. think I spent too much time with Eli back then. so I like Memento. That was just like, it made no sense. Or um what was the one? Mulholland Drive. Like they made no fucking sense. This one made sense.
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I thought there was a heavy influence back then that everyone was trying to have their Pulp Fiction. So everyone was like trying to get a little too crazy and and and everyone was was doing that. I feel you, I feel you. And then I just, but you know, i was like up in the mountains, was counterculture, bro.
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Everything bothered me and still does. But anyway, so i so i came across these podcasts and um and so I sent one, this guy to Lance, who you, I can't the name, you just said it, but this, who's a guy the guy? The guy with the beautiful voice.
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Oh, that's Stephen Bartlett. He interviewed a guy named Daniel Coquitia. Yeah, you want to set that up? Set it up. It doesn't really matter. We're like talk soup now. We should just talk about other podcasts for like an hour. Dude, that's what a lot of shows are, bud. So we're're we're fine. I want to get to the implications of this, but real quick, yeah this guy used to work ah for OpenAI.
AI Risks and Industry Insights
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For Sam?
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Mm-hmm. And he quit out of, keep to make a long story short, he quit out of principle. And there was some dispute about... He couldn't get his equity stake if he quit. And so he decided not to take the two million bucks. And now he just goes and advocates for safety. And what he focuses on is building timelines for the biggest risks in AI. And he's actually been one of the people that's predicted the pace of which the pace of development, and he's been spot on, and he thinks there's a 70% chance that this will all go to hell. Like there's a 70, as in seven zero.
00:11:28
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So that's what makes it um and ominous. not Not that far away either. No, in a couple, three years, in between, you know, two to for four years. So you listen to it and he doesn't sound crazy and you go, okay, wow, ah what the fuck am I supposed to do with that? But he actually said, yeah, I'm not going to have any more kids. My wife and I talked about it.
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Yeah. Oh, we should add, I believe he he didn't just quit because he also quit because I think they were telling him like, you can't be publishing this stuff publicly or something like that. Like any sort of negative, negative feedback at, at that place. They were like, no, you need to, you need to count. You need to like ramp it down. And he's why like, well, I'm like, I don't want to say the truth.
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And he, and that was what bothered him. Yeah. And they, uh, The overall theme here is that most people in the industry or many people in the industry think that this could go bad.
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And they all say, they rationalize and justify it by saying, I need to be the first one there to make sure it doesn't go real bad. I need to be the... I need to be the winner. And so that's how they're justifying keep going at all costs, build this thing no matter what. let's well we will We'll worry about safety later.
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So that's his whole argument. And then we don't need to get any more into that because I don't think we can. We're not smart enough, but it's just how did it make you feel is more of what I'm curious about because you sent it to me. It must've made you feel something.
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um Well, i and i did i enjoyed listening to the guy, like just the way he talked and spoke. So, and then, I mean, I don't know. I've worked with engineers before. like you you could like For some reason, a lot of engineers are very more like pessimistic. like They have ah have a definitely have a like a reason why this won't work, which might be a good thing sometimes in like engineering when you're like, let's think all the ways it could go wrong so then we can identify them and and fix it. But I think he which he's thinking on that that that you know wavelength, but he realizes that if if certain people aren't on board, there's going to be no fixing.
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Like if it's just sort of unregulated, you're not going to be able to fix it because you're not going to have control over it eventually, like very, very quickly. That's true. The engineer thing is true, but have you heard many engineers? like They're usually stuck on like an error rate of way less than 1% in terms of things going bad or are being buggy, and he's talking about 70%.
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So that's a weird dynamic from an engineering perspective to to get that high. there's none of None of us would do anything that has a chance of killing killing killing us or killing a family member if the odds were 70% that it would actually happen.
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Yeah, like 70%. Like if someone told me my new business, there's a 70% chance it's going to work. I would be like, this is the greatest fucking, you know. It's, ah yeah. And then and then some of the other things are weird.
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Like what it was laying he was laying out, like, you know, the the good paths aren't necessarily great. Like where he's like, well, there's not going to be any need for human work anymore.
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So it'll just be like, there'll be certain people that have an immense profit, maybe the governments, maybe these idiot tech leaders, and then they're going to have to pay society basically dividends, you know, to live. Yeah.
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Yeah, that part I'm skeptical of, but... Was that the ultimate utopia or is that the ultimate, like, no purpose? Yeah, and they in the host was like, well, that sounds like like the opportunity for terrible like mental illness and no purpose and all this shit. And he was like, yep.
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You know? Yeah. so Yeah, no, I don't know what will happen. I am' smart enough to admit
Economic and Governmental Impacts of AI
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that. I think a lot of governments will try to put the brakes on it, but there'll be so many versions of this AI. I don't know what it means to reach super intelligence first or artificial general intelligence first. I don't know how quickly you build a moat around your business, but I think lots of people are developing versions of this, including China and and other countries. And it's like, it's hard to tell what will happen, but...
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Yeah, it's kind of hard to tell the enemy, too, because it's pretty easy to identify Russia or China as the enemy, but the enemy might be fucking Elon Musk or exactly or Sam or is someone we never heard of. or I mean, the scary thing is I almost feel like he was kind of saying those people don't necessarily have ah like a negative...
00:15:44
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Well, I don't know. like I didn't get the idea those guys, that he he agreed 100% that everything they're doing was like some sort of power play takeover. It was exactly what you said. It's like, they just don't know what's going to happen, so they they want to be a part of it because they trust themselves more than that. They think that they're better for it than other people.
00:16:01
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But the scary thing is, like it sounds like even those people don't really have a whole lot of control over it. They're just like, I should be around to make decisions. Right, and yet, listen to this prick, Jamie Dimon, and these investment bankers. You don't like Jamie Dimon? The giant banks. Is that Morgan Stanley? No, he's J.P. Morgan. J.P. Morgan, yeah. He's kind of a, he feels a little slimy, but in a clean way, which is hard to explain. I don't mind listening to him talk. I've also heard him on In the Right Space, like on NPR interviews and shit, not like on Bill O'Reilly or some shit. Anyways, go ahead. It's just hard to take his word, man, because they're probably going to make billions and billions on these IPOs for AI companies.
00:16:44
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And he's like, you know, this is game changer. This is going to, you know, your your kids are going to live over 100 and medical advancements are going to happen. and And all that may be true, but he's certainly in not highlighting any potential downsides, and at least in this conversation. So I was like, okay, buddy.
00:17:01
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Everybody is on on the side of like including him where and you can justify it but they're like, oh, but this is what we do. We take we take companies public and if it's the same thing, right? Like if his bank doesn't take them public, someone else is and there's huge yeah power and money at stake where he's like, well, I have to do it.
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right now because the whole industry is not going to be like yeah let's slow this down we're going to put billions of dollars in this it's going to fuel the fire and and uh you know so yeah that's what we do we're humans we rationalize we justify we we move forward and we accumulate more so it's depressing in that sense but i i'm i'm curious because we're a couple dipshits that don't know anything about this like but how does it does it change your life to hear these things do you think differently not at all okay why I mean, it's like, I don't know, like maybe enjoy it. I do think I have, like, so my kids, are they have birthdays coming up. I'll say one thing that it made me think of this, and maybe some conversations you and I had and other people, like, I am going to, my daughter's turning 15 in a couple weeks. I told her birthday present, I'm going to open up an investment account for
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um Because if life's going to get harder, but the markets are still going to run, and even that might be fucked, then at least it's probably like start now and get your money behind some of these things or or somewhere.
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And, you know, I don't have a lot of money to throw at it right now, but whatever. so So my thing was like, I need to start thinking about putting some money away from for them and and them having access to money and understanding how these markets work.
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That's one thing I did. Yeah, it's it's a good point because it's like if labor does not going to have job that guy, he literally said, yeah, I'm not worried if my kids will have no access to what we call workforce.
00:18:40
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So it just won't be there. He said it's just hard to contemplate. It's hard to understand how quickly this stuff kind of snowballs. Like, how do I get fucked? Like, so I'm right now, like, even the CEO, the guy, the interviewer said, like, well, use AI for, so I have an agent. I think you said that your wife's practice has an agent or something like that.
00:19:01
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And then that in that light, and then I might use it for, like, letting, a I'm trying to, like, use AI to market our company. And I'm like, well, that seems like good synergy because I have, like, a physical thing to sell that a robot can't replace.
00:19:15
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But I'm like, how does, how do he was talking about, like, motorized robots to become plumbers and shit like that. And and once you extrapolate that out, they can probably do anything like surgeons or what, you know, but like how do how do I get fucked or how does somebody selling shit get get fucked? That's where I'm like, is because the world collapses and nobody has money or is it just because, i mean, you could say, well, AI does it better, but it doesn't matter. It's like still a thing, right?
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Yeah, I think the chain of events to get to somebody that owns a custom wood business would be the AI company that has artificial general intelligence or super intelligence is building software level AIs, right?
AI's Effect on Business and Surveillance Concerns
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They're they're building the intelligence side. That intelligence side is now able to be put into advanced robotics and all all this stuff is being optimized and iterated at a pace that we don't understand.
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And so any business opportunity left in the marketplace they just replicate it and they undercut from a cost perspective what it is. They may just even acquire those companies, use their brand name, but have the robots and the software level intelligent AI is doing all of the work.
00:20:30
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Shouldn't I be doing that? You could, you could, that here's the, that's the, the path here. And I've, I'll tell you what path I've invested in versus the other, but they, what could happen is they come in and say, okay, we're going to take over the custom natural harvested wood market for the entire world. And here's how we're going to do it. And it just, there's not really an opportunity at the prices that you're selling your wood for you to continue. Yeah. So who's they though? And that is that like this nation of robots that, or is this like a few power brokers that are starting, that have a huge percentage of the wealth in the world because of this?
00:21:05
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it's ah It's an ever growing conglomerate moving into all sorts of business verticals because they can do it cheaper with the technology that they have than these other companies. Now, do I believe that?
00:21:18
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What's amazing is you're we're basically just handing over all the information because you're like, how do I get my wood business going? And then they're just like analyzing it and and you know kicking stuff back at you. But at the same time, they're learning. So like, which is pretty crazy.
00:21:31
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You're not the immediate target. In fact, there might be markets for human only stuff, but I've invested in a way that I think companies with trusted brands will use these tools because you're gonna start a world war if a conglomerate starts to take over everything, that's a real doomsday scenario. But I think all of these companies that we know and trusted brands will start to heavily invest in AI. Yes, I think the jobs will be a problem, but those companies will exist your capital will be at work if you have are you are invested in a broad set of companies, large, medium, and even small, because the AI stuff will get commoditized and really cheap. So even a company like yours will be able to invest in the tools that keep you on par and on pace with with what's happening out there. What we're trying to do now.
00:22:18
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But I mean, at a small scale, this might be like you launch a Facebook ad or a meta ad, and they're like, use our AI tools. We'll we'll figure out your demographics and everything. Yeah. might Okay. But they're kind of like, you have to use it, which is fucking crazy. but Right. But if you get into the the doomsday scenario where there's one autocrat, Elon Musk, psychotype that is slowly but surely just ah consuming every other business and taking away all those functions and just rolling it into this like we're talking about a pace of development we can't understand as humans, like all these AI agents and robots just rebuilding the the latest and greatest at a pace we can't understand. So that's a And like he's basically said, like it hasn't even started yet.
00:23:03
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Yeah. Like, cause there's a level at some point where, where they kind of unleash them ungoverned to become super intelligent at that point. It's like, Oh shit.
00:23:13
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And that hasn't happened yet. Yeah. And I don't even know how to, I couldn't even tell you, well, how do you put your capital to work for your daughter? I guess just get an index fund has, because who knows who will win? Will an open source model from China win? ah Who the fuck knows, man?
00:23:29
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pal What's the one that I've heard horrible stuff about? is it Palantine or something like that? Palantir is just, it talentine they'll use AI in their database tools, but they're like a military industrial complex type company yeah that the guy thinks he's like doing something fucking noble. Yeah.
00:23:44
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ah This engineer, ah my my brother's ah nephew on on his wife's side, of his family's going to School of Mines, like a very bright kid. and He was like, watch out for that one. and He told me they're like using data for all sorts of stuff, your insurance data and all this shit.
00:23:59
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Well, they're using stuff to track you down. It won't be long. like Yeah, tracking. He partners with Trump, and Trump wants to go psycho and stay in power, analyze voting records, and go after Democrats and seize money and funds and and do crazy shit and call people terrorists just because they voted Democrat. I mean, this all sounds crazy, but yet, I mean, we're far from the crazy I outlined before Trump's second term. He is way beyond what I thought.
00:24:24
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So here we are, bro. And this AI stuff, I'm not saying, I don't know shit, but the jobs thing is is is fucked up. The jobs thing's fucked up because Corporations, they they this is what has generated profitability over the decades is to be more efficient, be more optimized, reduce high cost employment.
00:24:44
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And if you can figure out how you don't need humans or you need a lot less, they'll do it. i just but The thing that makes me laugh though is like if you have any experience with any sort of AI bot, it could be at a doctor's office or it could be like ah you know you're trying to like file your state. like I'm trying to stop file my state a sales tax or something you'll and you'll it'll put a stupid name on it like Dora, our help our assistant. And you're like...
00:25:07
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Just give me a human. This is horrible. So I'm like, lot of those were pre chat B chat GPT tech though. lot of those were early decision tree type yeah chat bots that fucking suck. So it's like, if he says this, I have these three options to give them and then it's always a dead end.
00:25:24
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Yeah. Those suck. Those will all change. If you look at those and you're like, I don't think the end of the world's coming. These things suck. But, um, And even chat GPT, I mean, I'm starting to learn how to use it and sort of manipulate it, but it is, there are some holes in it where you're like, oh, this is like, just give me backup.
00:25:41
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It'll like go down a path and it doesn't seem that great yet. I mean, in a way you could be like, if, if, if me five years ago, or what is it? 10 years ago in 1995. And I use that and be like, this is insane how great it is. But it's like, we're also like used to everything. If you don't know your domain that you're having a conversation with, it's dangerous.
00:26:03
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It will recommend stuff and and you will have no idea and you'll have no idea to like, some people just don't know to say things. Okay, now counter that argument. Give me three reasons why the argument you just made is not valid.
00:26:16
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So people need to do more of that stuff. You get both sides of the story. Yeah, you got it. You got to look at it. Like I've been going back. I'll tell, I'll just be blunt. I've been going back and forth with this idea because of's government national debt is increasing all over the world.
00:26:30
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And all the old boys will say, buy gold, buy some gold, have some gold. And I just fucking hate gold. I just think it's a terrible investment. It doesn't provide any cash flows. It's just as a it's it's certainly a hedge, but... Is it like the hedge, the anti-market, so to speak?
00:26:46
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Yeah, but it just doesn't... I don't know what's moving it these days, but I just don't believe in it. I'm not going to get into all that. But anyway, I went back and forth with AI. And it's like... You need gold. It's like you need gold and here are all the reasons you need gold in these market situations in a high inflation environment. When other things are doing bad, gold will appreciate blah, blah, blah, blah. I agreed with you or did did you load it up to it? No, no. I asked it if ah if the if my portfolio should have gold and it's like, yes, experts would say you need gold between three and five percent gold or something like that.
00:27:18
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And I go, well, give me arguments against that. is Is adding gold really going to enhance my investment success to portfolio? And then it's like, no, you don't need to add gold.
00:27:29
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and And it made a great point on both sides, right? You made a really great point on both sides. And you're just sort of like, huh, okay, when in doubt, do nothing. But I'm giving an example, like, but if you're not smart enough to like go, not smart enough, isn't it right? I mean, if you're not aware enough to go back and forth with this thing,
00:27:46
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it's ah It's going to lead you down some rabbit holes. like but i But I'm like, oh, that's a human experience. And then part of me goes, oh, yeah, it's not great. But then I'm like, wait a minute. That's pretty impressive. It is actually human. Just like politics where you get a great you can get a great argument from both sides and and just be more lost.
00:28:03
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You're like, oh, that is actually a human experience getting or contradicting yet thought out. yeah
AI Advice and Human Experience
00:28:09
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you Yeah. Usually you and I, if we're having a conversation, I would give that to you without you asking.
00:28:14
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most of the time, right? As a human being, we we would see an opportunity to do that. Whereas like, you got to like prompt this fucking thing to do that. And that's the risk, but that's just now who knows what it'll be. And I can't even tell you what the voice thing that I use for skits, how developed it's gotten in just like four months. I went away from it and hadn't been using it since way back when I was doing um American hero things. And was like, yeah, who are those voices? People, people ask me. Yeah, you can really, ah you can do what you want. I mean, you can prompt it to to sound sarcastic or sound this or that. it's It's just gotten much better. So we'll see what another year of this shit is like. But my big question is like, well what do I do with it? What do I tell my kids? what do i
00:28:59
Speaker
And I go back to where you went, which is like, well, if ah we're not gonna be able to work for money, we might as well be owners and have some capital. Maybe that's the only answer. well I'm like back to what I talked to you and you and the missus about where I'm like get the fire up the compound. find Find five couples that we like and and fucking live off the land.
00:29:17
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Yeah, well, how? That'd be great. like we We have a sweet compound. lets We do it down here Costa Rica. We're farming and just some AI robot just comes in and just like bulldozes our... He's like, no.
00:29:32
Speaker
Oh, God. Yeah. i don't I mean, I don't know. it's ah But it's just the same thing. We're all doing it to ourselves. Like, why are we using it? Why are people using it? Why are people using agents instead of a human?
00:29:43
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And why are people using, like, you know, everyone, it's it's snowballing because everyone feels like they might get left behind. Like whether it's a bank or an individual, you're like, oh, everyone's
AI's Role in Healthcare and Community Shift
00:29:53
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doing that.
00:29:53
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I'm sure at ah at a level a level, I don't know if you know, what you know what the cost analysis or like ah for the practice where, you know, the the agent that's used for, what is it, booking appointments or something?
00:30:05
Speaker
Oh, this was actually on a tertiary, like third party for the actual real estate there, not really her practice. But they are offering like AI ah dictation for for notes for clinicians. like So she could just they could just listen in to her conversation with the patient and drop in the chart so she never has to chart.
00:30:27
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That's something that's offered now. that's That'll charting, human charting and medical field will go away completely. Does, um is that good? see like oh this is I mean, if you trust the security, like I don't, a lot of people aren't ready to trust like, the security and be liable for what, what happens with the data.
00:30:45
Speaker
So, so not really, but yeah, it works. Yeah. I kind of agree with the guy just thinking it through and us talking like the, the allure is too, it's too much. Like if you go, well, there's going to be a super, super intelligent level where at some points things like cancer or some will be,
00:31:03
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um Someone will figure it out. ah People think they already have. But, you know, the it's like the possibilities are so endless, people will perceive that they're not going to stop because it's going to be like, no, well well, this thing can figure out anything. So this is how everything will be.
00:31:17
Speaker
Yeah, it's there's two paths and they're not mutually exclusive. I think we'll both participate in both. One is we're gonna be compelled to not be left behind or or be out competed. So we're gonna have to use ai to do that. We're gonna have to keep up.
00:31:33
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Doesn't matter what it is. Even just making these dumb skits. Like there's no way I'm gonna hire a bunch of different ethnic people to do voices for free skits or whatever. And that's obvious to me, but like what you're doing, you're already having to pursue some aspects of it. So we're all gonna be doing that to some extent. Then I think the the side, the part of that that we hate, we're gonna probably, if we're smart, move more tightly into communities and have some more localized interactions.
00:32:03
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And that stuff like you're doing like comedy or I'm going on like bike social clubs or doing things with like-minded people in groups because in the absence of that, we're all gonna become that swirling 20 or 30 year old kid right now who's like trying to hit a home run with investments just sitting there day trading crazy because he feels like nobody sees him or he feels like he just has nothing, no other opportunity to be seen other than to be super rich. And they just, they're doing that crazy shit. And I don't think it's going to work for many people. So we'll to do some of it in summary, and then we'll have to like move closer to community.
00:32:42
Speaker
And I hope we more people move to community. I mean, if you you say no everyone will use it for this or that, like, I think the real, the scary thing is it's going to be like he, he led to or indicate like it it's going to be used for someone to become the world superpower.
00:32:59
Speaker
Like, and so that's, there's almost like an arms race happening right now. And so who has that? Who's better at that is going to, is, well, should take over the world. It's basically what he was talking about, which is fucked up.
00:33:11
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I wonder if it's that much different than anything else though. or they where you just never, you can't, because everyone's doing it, like nuclear arms or something like that. Yeah, like, or or just sort of economic power. Yes, there are some leaders, but other people have markets that they serve and they have, so it's not like our success means China's falling to pieces, you know, in terms of the broader like economic landscape. But is this a really, and I think we always move to our to an all or nothing scenario. I just can't believe that's true. I can't believe that like progressive insurance completely goes away because Elon Musk figures out AI and goes, yeah, I want i want to do insurance.
Global Economic Power and AI Speculation
00:33:53
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And he makes his AI bots go do it. And the AI bots are so much more powerful than what progressive could invest in using other AI tools. I just, I don't know. I don't know if that's possible.
00:34:04
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At least I can't see it at this point. Yeah. He said something like, look because the guy's like, well, then what he's asking the same questions. What, what would you, then what would you recommend to your kids? what would you recommend to someone to stay relevant?
00:34:15
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And he's like, that would be like, uh, what'd he say? don't know if you got that part, but it's like yeah asking the, like the Aztecs or the Mexican Indians right before Cortez got there. Like, so these people are coming that you've never seen. What is, what, what should you do to protect yourself?
00:34:31
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Cause they'd never seen a gun or anything like that. And it was like, well, that's like, It's low priority. It's just unanswerable, I think, is is what he said. Because it's going to be so different. Your decision would be based on... you know If you ask someone in 1875, in the transportation industry, what you know what's a good way to like stay relevant? well they There's a huge shift that happened between automobiles and planes that...
00:34:57
Speaker
you know right um so but i i mean i don't know it's funny because i was just at my immediate reaction actually you're asked me what i thought i was like well i'm fifty it's a hand of the world like and then i i ah it's like i forget that i have kids I don't forget to have kids, but you forget like, ah, shit.
00:35:15
Speaker
You still have to care. Because there's like people close to you that haven't lived life yet. So it's like, ah, fuck. You know, it's like, ah, we're in the, are we in the last days of the earth? Oh, fine. It sucks. But at least I'm 50, you know.
00:35:30
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ah My parents are old, but it's like, ah, fuck, my kids are 12 and 14. Like, what are they going to live through? I know. I know. What an interesting phenomenon of like, we got to build it, but we know when we build it, it's going to be really bad for humanity. It might kill everyone, but we got to build it. That's what I was like. I was like, why do why are we doing this? it's In the name of what? Is it just business efficiency? Like, what what do we think...
00:35:56
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it Like what ah what ah what is the AI, how is it how is what we're doing here going to improve life? You're just like, oh, so kids can fucking not study in college? ah Like there's like, what do they getting what are they getting at?
00:36:09
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It's some weird game theory experiment. I don't know. It's like, I've, I got to do it, but I know if I do it, everything will blow up. It's just like some, it feels like, you know, it's one of those weird college experiments that your professor sets up and it's just like, Oh, phew, I thank God that's not the real world, but it actually is the real world. And you're like, uh, fuck.
00:36:29
Speaker
Dude, but yeah, i just it's it is so weird. Like, if you, ah you know, if like all the shit that we hate, but and let's be honest, like there is a there is a marketing pitch.
00:36:39
Speaker
Like, oh, social media. why they You know they're going to say, well, it brings people together. People communicate like they never have. You can access information. Okay, good. And there's like cases for that or things that can be made. and then But this one, I'm like, what is it what's the point? Why are we putting society at risk if that's what we think?
00:36:59
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Even nuclear weapons where you like someone had to make a decision knowing that they like I'm going to build something good and humanity. Well, that was in the name of security, you know, for your your country or something like that. Yeah.
00:37:10
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Like and we're we have no hubris, right? We're always super humble. We're always like we'll be the good guys and be able to control it and keep other people from doing bad things. It's pretty funny.
00:37:22
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It's just i don't I don't really understand. But I don't know. I felt the guy is super and intelligent and smart and is probably right. But but maybe some he some version of what he said is right. i don't i don't But what what was really scary is when the guy the guy was asking, like would like, what do you think about going down this path?
00:37:41
Speaker
And he was basically like, mankind is so fucked as it is. Like, this is really the only, he was basically like, AI might actually have a solution to unfuck ourselves from what we've already done. You know, the environment and political climate and stuff that's already like pushing in a sort of a doomsday direction, his mind.
00:37:57
Speaker
And so that might either get us to another planet or save this planet. That's what he was, what I understood. Really? Wow. Okay. Which I think you probably agree with, right? Um,
00:38:10
Speaker
ah You know, there's part of me that just says, turn it all off. Turn it all off. Well, like like me? That's my thing. You're trying to get to this state? No. You're saying like that the powers that be should all be like, we all agree we will never work on AI again.
00:38:24
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Yeah, like there's an argument to be made. There are aspects of technology that if we just looked at them, like Zoom as a technology, this ability for people to connect face to face like this.
00:38:35
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Keep it, keep that one. yeah um Let's get rid of all the social media and all the comparison crazy, right? You could just kind of go through the list. Let's use AI for medical research, environmental research, and environmental, like but let's avoid it for anything else.
00:38:53
Speaker
And there will always be people that are breaking those rules, but like, that's just not gonna happen. Unless, and here's really like a philosophical trip, unless people get to the place where the existential existential viewpoint is,
00:39:07
Speaker
I no longer need to hoard. i know like I no longer need to like stockpile, because this is basically how we go about our lives. Like we stockpile piles of money or we stockpile resources or we stockpile power. But if we can all get to the plate, women, yeah, exactly. If we get to the place where we feel like that no longer serves us somehow and we're all there, then yeah, a lot of this stuff will will work the way it should probably.
00:39:35
Speaker
But that's Star Trek level shit, yeah. And then you're you're going to get i mean you're going to get the um Americans bitching about their freedom too because the only way you're goingnna get there is like like any of this would be through huge regulation initiatives.
00:39:49
Speaker
Like yeah that ain't going to happen. Everyone will start bitching about their freedom.
Philosophical Considerations and Podcast Viability
00:39:52
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I wonder if the AI will sort of have a preference for the type of human that it most wants to keep around. Well, I don't know enough about AI because they they talk about ah maybe, you know, there's like a planning stage and some other stage.
00:40:08
Speaker
So if you're training it, like can't you kind of guide it at the beginning? You can. So can you guide it for that for that fucking southern whatever you just described? Like you could train it to support that and then it would be on a path, right?
00:40:21
Speaker
Right, but we're talking about it it develops a self-awareness. It... gets misaligned and its objectives spiral way off course of what humans want. And then it's just sort of like, well, I guess humans are just entertainment for me, like animals are for us. And so I'm wondering what type of human do they keep around? I mean, maybe they won't they'll keep around the southern MAGA fatty who's like shooting bottles on his junkyard land or whatever.
00:40:50
Speaker
Yeah. I'm just fucking around, but you know what I'm saying. I'd be curious. it Maybe it'll keep the sarcastic podcast type so I can hear the thoughts we have about the world. like People like us will survive because we're dope.
00:41:03
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he was not He was not too positive. on The guy's what about podcasting as a career? and He's just like, I don't think so.
00:41:13
Speaker
These motherfuckers crazy.
00:41:25
Speaker
I'm a piece of shit Can you smell it? I'm a piece of shit Everybody wanna come Hear my problems