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The Sopranos Season 1
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Grab a seat and fire up your Juice Tubes - that's right we're covering TV now too! And what better show to start with than what many consider to be the greatest show ever made? Doug is joined by Sopranos first timer Meg Williams to examine some of the character arcs in the first season and answer hard hitting questions like: Is Tony a rizz king? Is therapy actually helping him? Does Christopher suck? Find out the answers to all these and more RIGHT NOW
(also spoilers for the sopranos DUH)
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Introduction to The Sopranos Discussion
00:00:00
Speaker
So, cheer me up, babe. Just when I thought I was out, echoed they pulled me back in.
00:00:31
Speaker
All right.
First Impressions of The Sopranos
00:00:32
Speaker
This is These Guys Got Shoes, and I'm here my friend, Meg Williams. This is a first for us since there hasn't been any like actual official TV coverage on on this feed, but I figured why not start with what many consider one of the greatest shows ever. um It's definitely up there for me.
00:00:53
Speaker
I was kind of late to the I didn't have HBO like when this was on and I don't even know like based on my taste like it was started like 99 like I might maybe might even thought it was boring or so I remember like when my dad would have the godfather on the god there's a lot of talking in this like this is kind of boring.
00:01:11
Speaker
ah But ah yeah. So ah what were your expectations going into it since you're like watching it for the first time? Did did you have like any preconceived notions or like ah with what other people said about it that affected you, like how you approached it?
00:01:30
Speaker
Well, ever since I was a teenager, I've been interested in TV. But when I read lists ranking, you know, the best television shows of all time, The Sopranas was often on it. But when I would talk to other people, family members specifically, they would say, I don't think you're going to like that. I think you're going to think it's boring. So I stayed away from it.
00:01:46
Speaker
But I started watching Succession when it aired on HBO, and I loved it. And that really surprised people who knew me. And it said, that doesn't seem like something that I would have thought, you know, oh that's up Meg's alley. You know, it's sort of a corporate world, a little bit male-driven. That doesn't seem like something that we would assign as interesting to you. But hey, you love it, so why not?
00:02:04
Speaker
And so when I was looking for a new show to watch, I thought, well, you know Succession subverted my expectations of the sort of thing I think I would like, so why not try The Sopranos? And I was in love with it, and episode one.
00:02:17
Speaker
Yeah, I was surprised how ah the first time watching and rewatching of like how immediately I was locked in because like some other like prestige of famous HBO shows like The Wire when I watched it, I feel like it didn't kind of click to me. So like episode three or or something like that. i mean, I was still like into the, you know, the world and the characters, but where I was like actually like locked in like, oh, I need to keep keep watching this like.
00:02:41
Speaker
That didn't didn't happen immediately, but Sopranos like ah sucked sucked me right in.
Cultural Impact and Music in The Sopranos
00:02:46
Speaker
It's a funny you brought up Secession because that's that's actually the the show that ah that this podcast gets gets its name from. There's a part at the final season where Logan is saying about his kids, like, oh, they have some juice here. that They have some juice. And then like that we got that these guys got juice from from that episode.
00:03:06
Speaker
um But I think it's also a lot of HBO shows have that because Secession for me hit really hard because I also didn't expect it to be like a great drama, but also so funny. And then Sopranos also walks that fine line of like, these are like horrible people, you know, like like scary at times. But then I'm also like laughing my ass off, like more than like a lot of like actual like comedy comedies.
00:03:33
Speaker
Yeah, strangely, Succession is the first place that brought me to Twitter or Twitter virality. I ran a very popular fan account for it. And so I sort of became like super locked in on Succession. But like you say, that fine line between drama and comedy and also creating a world we're in,
00:03:49
Speaker
the morality of the characters is just how you have to operate. So, you know, um likewise with The Sopranos, I love Tony and Carmela Soprano, but of course Tony Soprano does horrible things, but, you know, you're just adjusting your expectations of what the morality of the the show is and the main characters. And with Succession, you had to do that all the time, too.
00:04:07
Speaker
and I'll say another credit
Tony Soprano's Complex Character
00:04:08
Speaker
to both of those shows. um The theme songs are incredible. So, you know, I love both right from the very beginning and with The Sopranos. It just hooked me right away. I thought it was incredible.
00:04:19
Speaker
The use of music in the show is is so good, ah especially like the way it uses needle drops. Like I, you know, I'm a big fan of like just mob stuff in general, but also Scorsese movies specifically. And he, you know, lot of his, most of his movies, I don't even think have actual scores. It's just all like, you know, like licensed music in the soundtrack. And like this show is like, I feel like operating on that level because there's like There's moments where, I mean, sometimes it's just like on the rewatch, remembering like, oh, this is that moment. But I like i got I got chills like when the end of the one episode when they're like officially anointing Junior and then the instrumental of of the Zibbit song paparazzi kicks in like that's just the it's just such a good synthesis of.
00:05:04
Speaker
like what you're seeing and what you're hearing. and um But yeah, it's, it's such a good ah synthesis of like ah audio visuals. And then like the way it's cutting between like the pictures, Tony and the pitcher junior, almost like they're looking at each other, even though they're separate pitchers.
00:05:23
Speaker
It's, yeah, the the way the way the show uses music. I also really like, I think it's a cake song they play when when that episode when Christopher is like obsessed with like but him not being mentioned in the paper. And then he like finally sees his name in the paper. So he grabs all the papers. Yes, and runs and gets all the copies of the paper. Yes, I love that scene so much. Christopher is like a...
00:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, I have beef with Christopher, but I agree. I think the way that the music is utilized here is so good. And it feels really, despite the fact that The Sopranos is what it aired in 1999 originally, right?
00:05:56
Speaker
That's what it started, yeah. We're edging on 26 years old at this point, but it still feels really fresh to me. You know, there's no um datedness. I mean, there's datedness in terms of the language and political correctness, of course. But I think the use of music makes it feel really, really fresh because it's still incorporating like existing soundtracks as we know.
00:06:15
Speaker
Right. Yeah, it makes it feel current. And and then speaking to, like, the political corrective, I think that's just to, like, what you said, like, shows like secession in this, where it's just genuinely showing you these characters' world. Because no matter when it was set, if it was set now, those characters would have the same, but you know, like, they're kind of frozen in, like, the 50s, like, socially, you know, like, in terms of like, how conservative, like, so and like that that whole culture is. Like, that's just, like, that
Family Dynamics and Therapy
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life. So...
00:06:41
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Like, I feel like it would almost be disengined if they were, like, woke mobster. If they were, like, just, like... don't think it would be woke, necessarily, but I think that the way that the writers approach certain issues and, like, ah specific language that they utilize would definitely be different in modern times. Oh, yeah, I agree with that, especially writing of the black characters. I mean, like, some...
00:07:07
Speaker
i know Again, like some of that, I'm just talking to like how subjective this world is we're seeing because we're not really, you know, there is no POV character for that, that world. And they're not getting 20 Soprano. I used to know them were getting woke Logan Roy. Yeah, it's not happening.
00:07:23
Speaker
Well, that sounds like a fun show. Yeah. ah it what what would that be ah so speaking of the characters yeah I think it'd be just kind of like to take stuff like ah you finished the first season that's kind of where I'm at and in my rewatch ah high how you feel about but some of these guys so far ah so so let's let's let's start with with Tone himself who I feel like is Kind of just like the blueprint for every TV crime show antihero after because like I like i said, I came to the show later. So I was like, I originally I was like, oh, Breaking Bad's like one of the best shows ever. And I'm like, oh, all those shows are like trying to do the Sopranos, basically.
00:08:05
Speaker
ah and and And Tony's like blueprint. Yeah. And, you know, through something like Breaking Bad, we get to watch Walter White be corrupted. And it's so interesting to enter into a show where Tony Soprano is not already like, you know, he's not and going to be corrupted. He was raised in corruption. He was sort of bred to be this corrupted person that he is. And he doesn't even recognize that his corruption on us because that's the world that he's lived in his entire life.
00:08:29
Speaker
I think that's a ah difference, too, in terms of TV antihero. But that helps me adjust to the morality of the world faster. because it's such a non-entity to Tony himself, you know? So these these are just the rules by which we live. And I think I attached to him and started rooting for him earlier than I might someone who we watched be corrupted.
00:08:49
Speaker
i don't know what that says about me. Maybe it's the opposite. and you're supposed to feel the struggle back and forth with an antihero and think, you know, they're corrupted because of the circumstances that they're put through, like Walter White having cancer what have you. But I just dove right in with Tony. He's bad. He's ready to go. me too.
00:09:06
Speaker
I mean, no, i'm I'm on the same page. Like, maybe I was already primed by watching so many shows about, like, unsavory, you know, like, antihero ah people with questionable morality. But I also think the show does a good job, even though it starts off like this is already his world. He doesn't need to be corrupted.
00:09:22
Speaker
it does gradually... Because at first, you're just seeing him, like, shake people down for money and, and like, kind of... ah You don't see him, like, actually... Like, there's violence in the show, but he doesn't kill anyone himself until that episode where he takes Meadow on the college tour, which I've read about that kind of being, like, a point of contention when they were, like, like first making and releasing the show of, like, them trying to figure, like, is this too early to, like, show him do something like this? Because it's, like, not really...
00:09:50
Speaker
Even though the the rat does recognize him and had the opportunity, like he was like straight up just like trying to find people to kill Tony for him. He was outside egg but i with the gun at the one point and then just didn't go through with the murder because and another couple was getting into the motel room right beside, you know. So he was used pretty actively. I mean, I think that choice softens it a little bit, knowing that he was literally about to take the shot at Tony and Meadow. That was a good move to sort of make. somewhat so self-defense even though it does strike me as like harsher like and not to keep going back to breaking bad like the first kill he has and that is where he like has to the that dealer he has captive and jesse's basically like stabs with the like plate shard or or whatever like that one's like not i mean it's self-defense from the the standpoint of he's done the math of like oh this he can't trust this guy to keep quiet also that guy took a shard of the plate that broke so like it the
00:10:46
Speaker
So like, like they try and frame it as like, he didn't really have much of a choice here. He kind of had to. And then you even find out that that guy was like an informant. So it's like, oh, ah he good thing you kill that guy. But so I feel like this kind of similarly tries to soften the blow. But it's still it's a it's a brutal kill. I mean, it doesn't even um i I mean, i I understand from what I've read, like real life, it does take like a while to like choke someone out to to death. But like, I feel like this that it lingers on the moment like longer than other things would like. It doesn't cut away. It's like, no, we're going to show you the strain.
00:11:24
Speaker
He's like cutting his hands on like, but i think he's like using like jumper cables or something from a car to like ah to to do it. Yeah, so it's it's pretty brutal. And it just reinforces who he actually is.
00:11:38
Speaker
And I love that that's the same episode where he kind of has this like moment of honesty with Meadow. of like i know like He doesn't fully come clear. He's like, yeah, I make some of my monies from like illicit gambling stuff. And that's like just like part of what I've always... you know I grew up around and that. but But he has to...
00:11:59
Speaker
embrace the darkest part of him in the same like moments of him trying to like have that honesty and connection with his daughter. You see, well,
Dr. Melfi and Ethical Dilemmas
00:12:10
Speaker
there's certainly a difference between, like, assumption of violence. i e In the first episode, I assumed already that Tony Soprano had killed people or had been involved in the ordering of killing people.
00:12:19
Speaker
And there's a difference between assuming that and seeing it on screen. To me, it wasn't that upsetting to see it happen on screen, I think, because I had that assumption of violence. But rather, what you're sort of...
00:12:30
Speaker
you know, causes complex reactions in me regarding Tony is when the violence that he does in the business world or like the way that he acts in business um transfers to his personal life.
00:12:43
Speaker
So I'm much more like to me, i think toward the end of um season one, when he gets really in Dr. Melfi's face, you know, when he's she's sitting in a chair and he's like two inches over her because she says that Olivia has borderline personality disorder. And says, that's my mother.
00:12:59
Speaker
And it it seems like he's about to hurt Dr. Melfi. I found that more upsetting and disturbing than the actual murder on the college episode. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. and absolutely yeah Well, yeah, it seems like what should be kept strictly in terms of business and the code of, you know, dealing with ah what's going on with the mob, you know, transfers into his personal life. And that to me is the most like, whew.
00:13:23
Speaker
Well, I feel like ah within shows like this and I feel like within I'm basically just all just on TV shows and movies as I don't know, actual mobster code. But like, I feel like that there's an understanding of like, yeah, there's people who are in that life and have chosen it and civilians like, you know, like Melfi is, you know, but not.
00:13:42
Speaker
part of it so like the him getting in her face or even when uh you know he takes a more aggressive tone with with someone in his family it's more upsetting because it's like they're not you know they're not mobsters even though they are and mean we'll get around to the rest of the family but like they are like complicit but like they're not like i i don't view them as like I mean, like they're kind of victims of certain because it's like, OK, Carmela did did choose choose to marry him and stay with him. But the kid, you don't get to choose who your parents are. So you're just kind of like born into that. Yeah.
00:14:17
Speaker
my mind, you know, Carmela is like you say, complicit. But I wouldn't, you know, i wouldn't finger her as part of the mob. You know, she's right in this love it. so yeah, there's definitely a difference between people who are actively choosing to be involved in the business versus people who are sort of brought in by circumstance or by love or emotion. um Which is why I think my feelings toward Junior, um even though we see him, you know, order the killing of other people, and we know that he's done that many times throughout his career, when he orders the hit on Tony, it sends us bleeding into the personal life. It does, you know, it offends that sort of mobster code or the the code of conduct of like, that's your family, you know, you're bleeding into the personal life, too. So...
00:15:01
Speaker
I was very glad. um I think Tony defeating the hit that they put out on him, like the car, you know, when he's in the car and he gets the two guys, that was one of the best scenes of all season one. It was just so cool.
00:15:13
Speaker
And it's interesting that like, cause he was into like a depressive funk or like before that, and that that, that was like, reinvigorated him like kind of more than therapy or anything else he had been doing like he kind of just seemed to have the zest for life of like that that kind of kick-started him in a way of like I don't know if it's just like the adrenaline rush but I also want to talk about his his therapy in in in general because like there are moments end during this where i feel like like ah yes he is having like he's having these panic attacks and that's why he starts going and he is a very ah comparatively like so he's he's he's more self-aware of of his like emotional states than everyone else in his world so i think that like adds to those neuroses and like his insecurity but
00:16:04
Speaker
Yeah. does it you get the sense that he's kind of like performative with malfi like there's like times when you like when he was crying in front of her or i'm like this feels like like i know james dandalfin is a ah great actor so like the fact that this the these tears kind of feel in genuine feel like that that's like ah character acting in that moment y'all And I don't even know if I can think off the top of my head of moments where the tears felt genuine so much as though I think he oftentimes in the therapy office is sort of practicing avoidance where it seems like we're talking around the real issues or, you know, the the root of the matter. Yeah.
00:16:42
Speaker
That's not to say that his mother and junior and, you know, the stress of his job doesn't contribute to his moods. But I think whenever Dr. Melfi attempts to, like, cut to the core of things or talk theoretically, talk about different choices that Tony could make, there is a sort of, like...
00:16:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:07
Speaker
and that sort of and multilayered performance that you're talking about from genolfinni is incredible Yeah, yeah. it's it's I love when you can see in a performance, like, the character themselves thinking, or, like, they're, like I said, like, the character performing.
00:17:21
Speaker
And I, yeah, it seems like he does gravitate, like you said, like, it's, like, avoidance. He doesn't want to, like, actually work on himself, because that would be, seen that would probably involve like just doing it a whole different lifestyle completely.
Carmela's Role and Moral Struggles
00:17:35
Speaker
So I, I, he, he does try and like frame things of like where he is the victim. Like you said, like he does have these stressors in his life, but like when it comes to Melfi, he was like, yeah, she went crazy, you know, like he's, well, at first he's describing these are things that his wife did, but it is really his, his girlfriend he's saying like, she went crazy. She like threw like ah a candle at me or so or something, but he's not like giving the actual context of like that.
00:18:00
Speaker
like conversation where it's just like no yeah yeah I was attacked like I'm just like a blameless victim like what did I do like it's it's very childlike like when it's it definitely feels like there's like a regression happening in those sessions Yeah, and I think, too, sometimes, like, Dr. Melfi, along with the audience, figures out what Tony's actually speaking around before Tony does, or Tony realizes what he wants to say, but he thinks that he's outsmarting Dr. Melfi and sort of by, ah you know, the audience, I guess, in tandem with her.
00:18:34
Speaker
I'm thinking about that early episode in season one when he thinks that he's in love with Dr. Melfi, and I don't know if you but he's having any sex dreams about her, and he watches his Mar to dress up in like business clothes. And but when he's in the therapy office talking about this, he's like, she doesn't have to wear such revealing clothes. She could wear something professional, businessy.
00:18:55
Speaker
And like you can see it click in Malfi's mind. And then, you know, of course, we know. well ahki love you But I don't think Tony's registered that we that Dr. Malfi knows and that she's figured this out because she understands, you know, sort of the transference that can happen between patient and therapist. And i know there're those moments of acting between the two of them.
00:19:15
Speaker
So much going on just in a little room looking at each other. You know, it's beautiful. Yeah, I love how intense the conversations that are. It's just characters talk. I mean, like that's like lot of succession is just characters talking, but it's like the most riveting thing ever.
00:19:30
Speaker
i i think that he I like that he's but like he's he's not like a genius, but he's smarter than ever, like the other people in his orbit. I feel like there's this recurring joke. He keeps saying he did a semester and a half of college. But like, I think he is clever and like he does know how to like like kind of socially engineer and manipulate people to get his way. So I, I, you can see like him, him getting frustrated with Melfi in that she's like, she's incredibly smart too. So it's like, the it's almost like not that the first time he's been challenged, because obviously he's,
00:20:08
Speaker
You know, especially by other strong women in his life, but like the fact that there's someone else now who's like kind of like resisting him in this way that it's like really frustrating to him where he's like, no, I'm I should be able to control you like I do everyone else.
00:20:21
Speaker
Right. Yeah. and you know, even people who are not literally like his direct employees or, you know, his underlings, his goons, as you call them. yeah But i like Artie Biko and his wife, you know, they're constantly capitulating to Tony Artie Biko more enthusiastically. But even Charmaine, who's really against having the restaurant become a mob hangout, you know, at the end of season one when there's that storm and they need somewhere to eat dinner.
00:20:45
Speaker
She left them in and she cooks for them because Tony Soprano had that degree of power. You know, the force of him and just pressures you to go along with what he wants you to do. um Be that socially, a you know, fear of consequence, just because that's who he is. He has a charisma. And, you know, it's hard to say no. But Dr. Melfi is like the one character.
00:21:04
Speaker
a Yeah, exactly. But you know there's what can he do for her? yeah The reason that she has to flee at the end of season one is more so what could be done to her. But, you know, in those sessions, yeah, with he really has no power. The force of him is nothing to her. She's like a an iron wall to him. And I i just love that.
00:21:24
Speaker
Well, and he tries winning her over another because that's also like his method of like bribing people or just gift giving like like him fixing up her car. Like some of that, yeah, is like his attraction to her. But I think that's also like an attempt at manipulation of like, well, now you're in my pocket because I did you this this this solid. But like she doesn't ask for any of that. It is very reasonably upset of like you took my car and had it repaired. Like it's like very stalkery behavior like that. huge red flags. You should cut it off.
00:21:56
Speaker
It's huge red flags. And of course, that raises questions and about Dr. Melfi and, you know, the ethics of continuing to treat him. Because any therapist now would know when your patient crosses that line, of course, you can't continue to treat them. There's sort of an obsession that's developing and you're unsafe and you have to protect yourself first.
00:22:12
Speaker
But we see in those moments her trying to untangle, like, why do I want to treat him so badly? Or what do I owe Tony s Soprano? Or not just Tony Soprano, but what do I owe my patient as a therapist? Right.
00:22:25
Speaker
So interesting to try to like untangle what about her is true professional obligation and what about her has a personal fascination with Tony Soprano and, you know, the closeness that she has to his world.
00:22:37
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's not a clean, like, delineate. I feel like, like you said, like, she's not even fully sure how much of it is, like, her professional obligation versus, like, there definitely does seem to be the drive of, like, can I, like, oh, I'd be the fucking best psychiatrist ever if I could, like, like help Tony Spratt. Like, if I could crack this, this is, like, this is, I would, I would, I'd be a fucking genius. Like, I feel like there is, like, a pride.
00:23:05
Speaker
Personal pride. Yeah. Not just a sense of like, what am I professionally obligated to do? And, you know I'm approaching this with a heavy heart and fear every time I have to go to the office. But there's a ah little part of her that wants to be the one who can crack the nut that is Tony Soprano crack the nut that is sort of like this.
00:23:22
Speaker
group of people who is so violently are against therapy. And I know a lot of the the mob reaction to Tony seeing a psychiatrist just because, you know, what is he telling her?
00:23:33
Speaker
But of course, like, there's that conversation with Christopher in season one of the car where he they're talking about, you know, Tony asks, are you ever depressed or whatever? And Christopher says something like, yeah, let me go blow my brains out like a loser, you know, like it's losers who killed themselves. And that's sort of the answer to therapy.
00:23:51
Speaker
It's this shield of masculinity. He even addresses that, I think, in like the first episode when he's like saying that, like yeah, like no, that's what men are supposed to repress their feelings. They're not supposed to talk about it. He's like, whatever happened to Gary Cooper? Anytime anyone talks about it, it's not just from the perspective of, oh, we could really be telling her some stuff. Later, she could be called to a witness stand and spill the beans on us. It's like, what kind of man needs to go spill his guts to a lady doctor? shes so Which is like speaks to the insecurity of the whole enterprise, like everyone in that world, because it's like the whole thing with the even though there's so many like business legitimate reasons for the Junior Tony thing to escalate. It's really the the fact that Tony is making jokes about the fact that the Junior goes south of the border, that it's like, like, really? This this is this is the line.
00:24:45
Speaker
That has to be the funniest part of season one is Junior smashing that lemon ring pie in py and his girlfriend's face. And, you know, it's not funny in the moment, you know, violence against women, even if it's sad. It's sad, but also, i mean, that's like the show in a nutshell. where It's like it's a funny physical comic. It's like a three stooges thing. But then it's also like disturbing and sad because like I'm pretty sure that that's the last we see of her. Right. Like there's like she just like yeah it he breaks it off with her.
00:25:14
Speaker
If your boyfriend smashed a pie in your face, that would be really horrifying. It'd be scary. It would be painful. But you when you're thinking, like, how to even explain the origins of that fight to another person who doesn't watch The Sopranos, it would be like, while he's so good at giving head that his girlfriend bragged about it, and he's furious because that might signal that he's gay. Right. Because if you'll fuck a woman's, you know, parts, then you'll go down on anything. So he smashes a pioneer face, which, of course, you know, it just did point out the complete insanity of the logic under which they're operating.
00:25:51
Speaker
Right, like that you're somehow less of a man because you're prioritizing like a woman's play. Just for like one moment. It's funny. This isn't really a spoiler. This is more for the they there's a prequel movie that came out a couple of years ago.
00:26:06
Speaker
not like mandatory viewing, but I think it's if you're a fan of the the show and these characters are worth checking out. But they they give like a an actual backstory for why Junior like got good at eating puss.
00:26:19
Speaker
Oh, King. Okay, great. I can't wait to see. love it. I mean, I was watching it this plotline unfold and was like, oh my God, do people really think like this 25 years ago? And then I remembered, like, was it not about two years ago that DJ Khaled said something very similar? Things don't go. Bow down or something. Yeah, whatever that bullshit. So clearly it in just a certain approaches to masculinity, I guess that attitude prevails. But yeah, that was just another one of those times where you think man sopranos comedically is so underrated.
00:26:53
Speaker
Yeah, it really is. ah So with Tony overall, do you think that therapy is help? Like, is is he improving at all? Because we do see him use things that she tells him in his life. But it's like, is it is that for his actual emotional ah development? Or is he like, he these are just more tools for manipulation, like when she's telling him how to like,
00:27:18
Speaker
you know, ah seed control to elders or something. But it's like, well, he's letting Junior feel like he's in charge so he can actually still, you know, like rule from the shadows. It's say it's not it's not just like benevolence that he's doing this out of.
00:27:33
Speaker
You Soprano might be the first case of the worst person you know just learned to therapy speak, you know, like, I'm creating boundaries. but Tony is the OG for that.
00:27:43
Speaker
But I do think it's sort of a fine line there. I think some of the skills that he he's learning are useful. um ah Like, and OK, my personal beliefs about like what should happen to rapists and sexual predators made me very pro. Let's kill that soccer coach from season one.
00:28:04
Speaker
yeah let's yeah You all connections. Take care of it. But then thinking about, you know, is vigilante justice OK? know, balancing the justice system. I know at that point, you know, it's Malfi's input that sort of and Artie Buko's input that keeps him from murdering um the soccer coach.
00:28:23
Speaker
And it is because the point is, like, would that help the girl, the victim? Or are you just doing that as a sense of, like, wanting to fulfill your own violent fantasy about killing this man?
00:28:34
Speaker
And so I don't know. i mean, some of the conversations that he has with Melfi, I do think impact his actions outside of the office, not just as a ah means of gain. i don't know if necessarily with my personal beliefs, if I'm like, yay, I'm so glad that didn't happen. But right um I do think he... But also even then, i is that self-serving? Because he seems so... please i mean, he's like kind of out of but the way he's like saying, like I didn't hurt nobody, you know like and when he doesn't have the the coach killed, like that it that's...
00:29:05
Speaker
is that just fulfilling a different kind of fantasy instead of like the violent, you know, the one where it's like, no, I'm a good person. Look, I let, I showed mercy. Yeah. But I think even when you're fulfilling that fantasy, you are still choosing goodness or choosing to show
Balancing Humor and Drama
00:29:22
Speaker
mercy. You know what i mean? It's like a choice being made, but I mean, I'm trying to think of other instances in season one where we see the conversations with Dr. Melfi actually pan out. I mean, i do credit her with, mean,
00:29:35
Speaker
priming him to receive the information but about his mother and, you know, being able to, at least at the point I'm at in season two season two, episode four, he's still like mom is dead to him. You know, she's in the hospital rotting away. he has not had contact with her. i don't know if that's true, it's going to remain true. i don't think so.
00:29:54
Speaker
um Janice is sneaky, but in any case, certainly much to, you know, To Dr. Melfi's chagrin, considering he gets all up in her face. But I think he was prepared to accept that information when he heard on the tape Junior and Libya that was played by the FBI because of Dr. Melfi. But yeah, i mean, we see him utilize that information that she's giving him and ways that I'm sure she doesn't expect it to be utilized.
00:30:20
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think she's expecting that when she's trying to get him to accept that, you know, his mother is an abusive narcissist that he's then going to, like, smother her with with a pillow. But it's – I'm not saying that that would have been the right thing to do. But in context – I mean, because there's this whole – it's an interesting nature versus nurture thing because, like, the what we see of the – Olivia's horrified.
00:30:45
Speaker
Like, she's so scary. I mean, it's a funny performance when she's like, i wish the Lord would take me now and stuff like that. But, ah like, the flashback where she's like, if you went to, was it the dad wants to go to Reno and, like, leave life behind? was like, I will smother the kids before I let you do it. And I believe her. Like, I think that she's 100% being serious. And then she, when she's, like, threatened like, ah jab a fork into Tony's eye and stuff, like,
00:31:12
Speaker
So that that's his, you know, he doesn't have loving role models. Not that that excuses his behavior, but that explains it. That's why is.
00:31:25
Speaker
He's like, if anyone's ever been justified in having mommy issues, at Tony Soprano. Yeah. She monstrous. um Faking Alzheimer's like is you just legendary.
00:31:36
Speaker
and That performance is amazing, too. ah Did she win the Emmy for season one? think she did. She was nominated. Let's see. Did she win? But I do want to agree bring up the Alzheimer's because, like, I think she, yeah, she does, you know, pretend like, oh, I'm just a babbling ah idiot. But, like, there were moments where it almost did seem like she genuinely kind of, like, lost track of the thread. So if
Influence on TV Storytelling
00:32:02
Speaker
if that was just, like, oh, she's just really good at playing it. But, like, there there were moments, like, when Junior was was talking to her, like, kind of after they're organizing this this this hit against Tony where she kind of,
00:32:14
Speaker
forgets she she forgets some kind of earlier conversation event that happened and it's like unsure is she just playing dumb here but like there was like the performance stretch that line in some of those moments from like did is she in this no i'm not saying like she it doesn't that i absolutely use that to her advantage but i'm like in this moment right here is she like genuinely like a little confused like it's it's it's hard to tell sometimes a I am totally of the mind that she's completely conniving and she's contrived the entire performance. But it's so good that I completely think that line is, you know, is being towed. um But yeah, I mean, she's just she's monstrous. It's insane how bad of a mother he had.
00:32:54
Speaker
Bad role models all around. Yeah. To try to have your own son well so Like it like for what? Like, you know, she's being in Green Grove.
00:33:06
Speaker
It looks like a really nice place. Like, I mean, like, ah without going too deep into, like, my own family board, like, I've had to navigate those, like, difficult things like, helping elders transition to, like, a different, you know, like, living environment and just selling it to them, even if it is, like, a really nice place. It's like, they're like, ah, you're just throwing me in a home. It's like, yeah, that's not easy. But the way that she holds that resentment, it's like, it's venomous. It's like... it ain't Yeah, he's like, okay, well, this is where all his anger comes from.
00:33:37
Speaker
Absolutely. And it made sense to me and when we learned late in season one that he has two sisters and that they basically vacated the premises as early as possible. And he's been handling everything alone with her for i think it's like 20 years. Right.
00:33:53
Speaker
We handled things. That is a long time to be handling a woman like Livia Soprano all by herself. And I think I mean, it would be natural to have some resentment towards the other siblings who peaced out immediately.
00:34:04
Speaker
And just like a sense of duty, I guess, because it's like his mom gives him nothing in return. You know like she doesn't, you know, like they thank him for the food she he brings her or anything. Like when he brings her gifts, she's like, I don't want that.
00:34:17
Speaker
it's like It's like it's just because i he says in therapy, it's like, yeah, that's what a son's supposed to do. It's like it's kind of like the mob duty itself of like, no, this is like my my dude. It's like the the military or something like this is my duty. I have to do this.
00:34:33
Speaker
And I definitely get a sense from him, too, that she has been withholding her entire
Public vs Private Life of Tony Soprano
00:34:38
Speaker
life. And he's still a little bit trying to close that gap and trying to get the approval and the love, you know, thinking if I just do enough, if I'm just dutiful enough, if I'm a good enough son, then eventually my mother is going to be different. My mother is going to say thank you. She'll be grateful, truly. But, you know, I think that would never, ever happen.
00:34:55
Speaker
He's kind of like if Buster Bluth became like ah ah ah a murderous gangster a little bit. know if you're rest the development family. Mother, you're my awards for mob. I'm very keen.
00:35:07
Speaker
Absolutely. You can picture them on Mother Boy magazine on the cover. Oh, Mother Day 30. Oh, my God. I can't imagine. Tony's friend on Mother Boy. but Yeah, I mean, I think that's part of what makes him such a goldmine for Melfi, too. I feel like psychiatrists, you know, digging into the parental relationships, and what ah she could dig for 100 years and never the bottom there. mean, you'll see as it goes on, this isn't really spoiler because you've seen some of it in season one with with his Gumar in that season. But, like, outside of his wife,
00:35:39
Speaker
All the other women that he chooses to have in his wife are like strong willed brunettes. It's like a very specific. So I was like, oh, who else? And then we see that flashback. Oh, I wonder where that archetype came from.
00:35:51
Speaker
It's not interesting. The one he's chosen to spend his life with is unlike his mother. And then all the rest who he's, you know, more sexually invested in or they see occasionally are like his mother. I mean, can't wait to delve more into that.
00:36:03
Speaker
I'm really interested in getting more into Carmen Tony's relationship specifically. um I've enjoyed so much of it in season one and that I can't wait to get more into it. There's so many interesting like little moments like between them. Uh,
00:36:19
Speaker
like And and ah you know stand up, confrontate. They're just great scene partners. But like there's there's a moment when they're at like Meadow's like recital or whatever. And he like is like he's clearly like being moved like emotionally by the by his performance. And he's like trying to take her hand.
00:36:35
Speaker
And then she like kind of like finds her... I think she like blows her nose and then like keeps her hand out of... ah like So it's like the things are already strained from the beginning. She knows about the Gumars. Yes.
00:36:47
Speaker
What do you make of... ah So her her priest friend, ah is it Phil? Father Phil? Yeah, he's he's an interesting fella.
00:36:58
Speaker
Because... I like... ah from my couch and cheered when she told him off at the end of season one and that you know the telling off of father phil is sort of another brick in the big wall that is tony and karam's relationship because it's inen of tony almost you know because father phil is like maybe toio' change one day maybe he'll become a good guy like me and she says we arere perfectly comfortable coming here and eating his steak and using his entertainment facilities you know sort of like ah how dare you criticize tony to me
00:37:30
Speaker
when you are profiting off of what tony does you know you're no better and and clearly in earlier moments is like pushing her to like justify tony's action so she won't leap because like when she brings up the possibility of divorce he's like no that's for couples who never intended to stay married like because it's like if he leaves her then that's his end to like having access to that and in that that comfort in that world so it's like that would be that'd be no good for him ah yeah
00:38:03
Speaker
so is it just him being a mooch i mean because because he is like interested in her like romantically right like there is that that tension and they're watching i forget the name of that like an emma thompson anthony hopkins movie i've never seen it apparently there's this very similar dynamic there where it's like she i think it's amphi hoplickin is supposed to be like the help or like the butler or something where they have this like charge tension but never like act on it ah but right and they still follow through like it's an affair sometimes like but even though we know they're not doing anything
00:38:36
Speaker
in karm's telling off of father film that final episode she cuts to the heart of that matter too and says i think you like the teas a sort of sexual tension that's never going to go anywhere because of the the priesthood and i love when carella gets to the point where she says shit or get off the pot and it's sort of like that with livia too eventually when she's like you are manipulative you get your ass in the car we're going to brun she like get over it you're not a victim and i love when she sort of loses her temper and she's not interested in playing these social games anymore and she just wants to say what goes unaid
00:39:07
Speaker
i think that's one thing that's really really beautiful about her character is her ability to just put it out there in ah in a world where we're constantly talking around things and father phil especially he was such a
Power Dynamics and Leadership
00:39:18
Speaker
little ear it hint to me just like a little worm so i was very happy when she laid into him i'm curious to see if we'll ever come back in the show um yeah i've i actually don't remember if of like his role going forward so i'm curious who like what what what his role is ah and in future seasons but yeah i i i love the portrayal of karn by edie falco and i feel like the wives in a lot of these shows do
00:39:43
Speaker
just by nature of like what the show is about like like that was so much of of breaking bad i remember when i was originally watching i the fan of being like ah fuck sky for having the very reasonable reaction of like um don't get out of my house like you're like and you're dealing method endangering our family like get out of here but but because she's a wall to like the the fun of the show she's like an antagonist where it's like no why won't you let your husband be ah ah fun meth guy this is this is where i'm marching the show her was so vitriol like that it actually bled into their treatment of anaagon herself you know so i'm
00:40:18
Speaker
i don't know that much about like this soprentice fandom or what a phantom culture was even so passionate back in the day without the internet around as much but i don't think you know e fco or karmal's soprano rather is in such a unique position where she's not an impediment to her husband's criminal behavior as opposed to you know skyler to to walter white she's sort of she's in on it and you get the sense of course that she has reservations about it but also she is complicit in it she's chosen this spend her life with him she knows how
00:40:49
Speaker
she is able to afford all the furniturees she gets delivered and she feels extreme guilt about it i mean when she breaks down in tears does the father fit like when you know she's doing confessions she's like no that's a i haven't really confessed in twenty years of really being like that's oh that's probably like how long they've and yeah like cause i think the timeline is like they are they're kind of like high school sweethearts who like you know maybe had some on and off like and moments but then and just ended up you know starting a family together so it's like yeah she's pretty much had to like just swallow all this
00:41:21
Speaker
shit like the whole relationship and who does she talk to about no one so it's like that that that ah how do you how do you cope with that and it's interesting because even though we can feel her casting judgment on tony there is sort of ah protectiveness that she has over tony too where she doesn't want other people to be casting judgment you know ah like father phil she doesn't want his judgment cast on tony and just early in season two liviia calls the house when tony's out and she says the minute crime picks up she says how dare you call here
00:41:54
Speaker
and so you get this sense that she is protective over tony even in having knowledge of you know the mob and the business she doesn't want bad things to happen to him there's a sense of loyalty and a sense not just of love is and i want him to be alive as my husband but i think there is an opera you know a part of kar that she feels that she's the only one who can pass judgment on tony and who can want better for him ah and that others who are involved in that world should not
00:42:26
Speaker
right because she does generally is she's happy when he she learns that he's going to therapy because she's like oh well this could be good like i i will also like i feel like you know thinking of like well this is just generally better for everyone if you're better emotionally adjusted but like that i think she wants what's best for him also even if regardless of like the strain of like clearly even from the start of the show that they're not <unk> not like there's love for him and she does care for him but it's not it's not a traditional like happy marriage in that way but but she still does care for him
00:43:01
Speaker
and one has to wonder like how realistic her desire for his separation from the mall world is because you know to me he's so enmeshed in that world he was raised in it but it seems impossible to even want that so is she sort of just mitigating her expectations and hoping like does she want woke mob but tony soretto rather than right tony soprano root in the mod there's that episode in season one where they're out to dinner for their anniversary and he ask or talk to i like you know he sees the restaurant and she's very upset because it was their anniversary
00:43:34
Speaker
and you get the sense that maybe she just wants him to have like better work-life balance and that might be the most that she earnestly lets herself hope for she wants what's best for him but like in her mind does she know a complete separation is impossible she might write for it but does she really believe that that can happen i don't know i think there's a lot of compartmentalization like she even says to father phil like yeah kind of accepted the gumars as like kind of like a form of masturbation you know like there's like things that she lets
Family Life and Criminal Activities
00:44:02
Speaker
fly because she's like i will realistically like
00:44:05
Speaker
yeah i'm not goingnna get ah ah hundred percent devoted tony like but can i just get of when he's with me can he be with me and present like that's really like what she's asking for and it yeah she's not good yeah i think it's easy to like sort of fantasize about a a completely different tony but and maybe karm has the best understanding of what therapy can realistically do which is to you know make in more able to process um his emotions more able to be present in the moments you know not act so
00:44:37
Speaker
rgey all the time but yeah i mean she's just i really love the moments where she's encouraging him to go to therapy and i feel like those are some of the the most touching points of thisprint is not really a touching show but you know when she when he tells her that she's going to he's going to therapy and she's really really excited and happy and proud of him i was in memo like all you know yeah tracy kids who kind of make it work ah let's let's touch on ah briefly the the rest of the the family meadow in in a j
00:45:09
Speaker
like because we kind of talked about how you know being a part of this world it's it's not like a secret secret even if he kind of tries to like mask it but like we do see that even we meadow starts in a place of like where she's like i pretty much know what what the deal is a j is kind of realizing it for the first time like when like at jack at jackiee's funeral when when he's kind of like looking at them all gathered and they's them over dad his dad just winks at him he's like oh okay
00:45:42
Speaker
oh got it ah yeah such a um sorry what we thinking yeah a j is such a dof like at any time he's on screen i'm like oh man do his alert you know like ah he is just a little nerd um ah he's funny though i love when he just ah you know his dad'll be talking him he's like i'm trying to play mario kart it's such a funny juxtaposition like this kid who he seems so normal you know so normal i adjusted it very normal too um she's certainly more aware of what's going on but you know she cares about college and that sort of thing so
00:46:15
Speaker
it is sort of a miracle that they've managed to raise two kids who as of season one seem relatively welljuted yeah and he has like schools at school and meadow does um be at one point because she's studying for college but you know overall therere at their ages they're concerned about things that most kids at their ages would be concerned about you know they're not living in fear that someone's coming to the house to kill them right even though one hundred percent that could be i mean the fact that car lee just has like an eight k like by the fridge who's like oh that dead like they understand that
00:46:48
Speaker
that mia has no idea she was literally in someone's sight with a a loaded gun pointed on her outside of a hotel room know it so they managed to ensconed their children in this world that's completely separate from the mob almost and meadow has knowledge of course but you see i think in in season one especially the knowledge is sort of a way for her to say well don't get on my ass when i do bad things because look how you making your money as oppos to a hard to be genuinely fearful or
00:47:19
Speaker
to you know feel guilty or to question what her future is going to be like what it would be like if she was a boy or anything like that they're pretty normal children right even when like a j gets in trouble and there's like the evaluation of like oh he's kind of like just below the threshold for ad d and they both both karm and tony get super defensive of like no there's nothing wrong with him even though like that doesn't that's not something being wrongt that's a normal kid they oh it was just like yeah that was obviously over time became more diagnosed because we had
00:47:50
Speaker
more ways of like recognizing and and and treating it but it's like that' that's a hundred percent normal ah kids like yeah like dids yeah you know he's diagnosed with fidgeting now so like i those moments are very funny too um this sort of juxtaposition between like all of the major you know life and death issues that tony has to mitigate and then being in the counselor's office hearing like while he he really fidgets his feet you know and having to be attentive parents to their normal children
00:48:24
Speaker
such a fun dichotomy i love when we have to handle things like that and because you almost get the sense this is more of a challenge for him like he knows the the mob world and how to you know he faces difficulties there he needs to to solve but he he he kind of has the mind for like the strategies there but like and terms of like his kids like he's kind of just like learning on just like a regular parent learning on the job of like i you know okay this is a new scenario for me i don't know what to do here really exactly
00:48:55
Speaker
so i really enjoy like the interactions with the with the family or with the kids i like them i'm mostly excited to see all day oh sorry my guest here oh damn let's it's um air relationships change as the show goes on because you know we have the advantage of like the kids getting older and so as that was going to happen so ah really can't imagine like how things are going to be different as the kids get older especially for aj like because you know the assumption my assumption i guess is because
00:49:26
Speaker
basically every mafia so we see is a man in the show there might be some pressure on a j or some desire from a j to be involved in the business and how is that going end i don't know right but even in the first season you kind of get the sense that tony does not want that for him like he kind of wants to keep his son separate from the cycle of like he was like well i was part of it my dad was part of it but like he just wants his kid to be normal and you know that's so interesting because
Christopher's Ambitions and Struggles
00:49:55
Speaker
christopher to me is representative of
00:49:57
Speaker
that young individual raised in this culture who does not want to be normal or free from it but actively desires to be notorious in that culture yeah like getting made is like everything to him like it it's like it's so ego driven ah speaking christmas so who who would be your favorite of of the the crew so far that we know is it is is it chris or um my god no christopher drives me insane no not like him no pauly is my favorite i like so here too
00:50:30
Speaker
i love sillvio's um alpuscito impression i love that we've had that touted out severaltle times already i assume it's going to happen so it's so good rather still funny they're but's fun and i liked christopher at the end of season one when he killed um mikey palmicy because mikey palmmiji had it common ah he had it coming so hard and crisopr and pauly you know getting him in the woods was a really a wonderful moment but christopher is just such a chronic loser ah and i don't like the way that he treat adriannna who to me as the hottest moment of eyes so oh she's so beautiful yeah and he's
00:51:05
Speaker
gorgeous and isy and intelligent and he is like such a baby so i don't know maybe he'll grow into someone i can like to but no i love um phil calling pollly are so wonderful and let's see at the end of season one is m i so we don't really know what his deal is yeah so what do you make of thatt whole scenario because it's ah you know initially they're like oh is pussy a rat but then it seems to point towards jimmy being the the rat and they have him taken care of but then postigious
00:51:36
Speaker
but because you like won't you know undress at the spa you know like they're trying to see if he has a wire he's is he seems a little suss like so do you think do you think there's something going on there well i'm early into season two so putsy is back um he's was at you know in i forget where he got sent to somewhere to do acupuncture bra back but even having said that like the vibes are bad withlussy you know like things are not good and i think there still seems to be some distrust um tony's kind of like in a raging mood and seems to be raging at pussy more and plissy is sort of complaining about the treatment that he's received
00:52:12
Speaker
and i know pussy's in a different position than um pauly too or christopher because he has children of his own as well you know this to him is like has to put kids through college and so know my my thoughtss on pusy at this point the the backstory even like having it confirmed that he was there that he was receiving treatment think smells funny here so i'm not really sure where i'm at with him yeah it's interesting because it it's and but what's up do you have a favorite goon amongst the goons
00:52:44
Speaker
i mean i love silvio in pauly because they're so funny i think there's something about like yes chris is a bad person but and also yeah i don't like the way he each each of arian ah but like i think that i don't know there's something about where loser like attic characters that i do my heart does soften for them a little bit likes kind of similar to jesse in breaking bad although jesse's like way more sympathetic you know like like um yeah yeah and o roy yeah
00:53:15
Speaker
because there's you know you could see him ah kind of just lashing out at his own inability to get get it together or just have any ah like like he he makes mention that he like wishes that he had an arc you know like he's like trying to write this screenplay and he did comically bad at it when we see that like his writing ability but hello y l e loyal ba another it yeah and i'll cut it you know i'll say like
00:53:46
Speaker
i've only ever seen michael lyn piriioli in the white lotus where he playing like a loser too but like a rich loser who's um has so much money's disposal and he's very very high class in that as all the people are who are visiting the white lotus but the only time i've ever seen him and in my mind i guess he was just like always this like older very sturdy guy and so starting with sopranos and finding out that he is like a young loser rather i assumed he would be like tony go to right-hand man you could get anything done
00:54:16
Speaker
so finding out in the first episode he's like not even like an official part of this thing you know he's still earning his stripes he' crazy yeah like he has such a chip on his shoulder because it's interesting that from i feel like they expand more on it in later seasons but it seems like the idea is like once you're made there is a certain level of security like like they they have discussions before of like when when they ah take out ah chris's geeler friend of like well we'll just send chris a message because he's family but that's not like
00:54:47
Speaker
that's just the relation kind of protecting him it's not like a hard thing whereas like if you you can't really go after a made guy like without permit like it kind of of like people have to sign off on it before you can like kill a made guy so i think besides the notoriety thing it's almost just kind of like a built-in security of like well yeah i'm i'm not disposable anymore and i think we see chris we're getting increasingly frustrated with like the black and white territory to the point where he's almost like and rejecting the security of being made and just wanting to be killed because he goes and digs up that body
00:55:23
Speaker
um you know like and tony says that's something that i see from guys who want to be caught and so it's just christopher's desire to like firmly be something whether that's clo whether that's made the sort of in-betweenness he's living in seems incredibly frustrating to him and kind of dangerous because it's like if someone just wants like notoriety at any cost like the even him like wanting to like be part of show business like tony even was saying like like that's you could get killed over that because it's like you are you going to like like blab about all our secrets to like
00:55:57
Speaker
to in in a movie or something like that's yeah that i mean that's like just as dangerous that ah more more so than like because therapy at least in theory you know you're like okay well there's doctor patientent confidentiality even though that's not something they know that you know they don't really trust ah those people and then in that world but it's like it's not the same as like a movie is something you're putting out to the whole world for everyone to say and we see that frustration with christopher come out in the most dangerous ways when he like shoots the ah the baker and the foot for not moving fast enough and season one you know
00:56:32
Speaker
his rage is just it makes him so unpredictable and dangerous he's such a liability yeah well it'll be interesting to see how you feel about where he progresses from from the i think all of these character arcs are my recollection like i again like when i first watch it it was like when lockdown like started in twenty twenty so i feel like that whole year's guy hates to be like some of these things when i'm getting to him i'm like oh this is i'm seeing this for the first time or i'm getting caught off guard by like but dream sequences because i'm like is this real or not until the o is the definitive like oh yeah
00:57:06
Speaker
this is a dream what what do you think of the the the dream stuff because like i was surprised washing it for the first time like i didn't expect it stylistically to be like
Dream Sequences and Surreal Elements
00:57:16
Speaker
like that besides the humor like i ah i wasn't aware of ah the creator david chase said like a huge inspiration for him was was twin peaks actually in terms like that kind of surreal vibe of like yeah you know where things just feel off even when you're in the waking world i was very surprised by the amount of dream content even in season two i just finished the episode where dr mey has a dream that
00:57:37
Speaker
tony's going to crash on the prozac and you know she's going to pull up next to him and he'll be dead over thehood of a car and so it's not just tony's dreams that we're exploring but i guess it makes sense i mean ah therapy is concerned with dreams the logic or you know the actual psychological juice behind that questionable i guess sometimes but it's a fun arena to explore things especially in a really gritty world where you're not saying as much as you want to because of this shield of masculinity the dreams are fun i like them it's surprisingly though certainly
00:58:07
Speaker
yeahistically like you said i didn't expect it at all yeah it's it's an interesting contrast between between like you said like it's it's all about what these characters are unwilling to admit to themselves and to others and we're seeing how that like internally manifests and for my recollection we do get if not like outright gene sequences like little moments where it's like oh it seems like this character just saw something and it's like that what does that mean to them like of what of what what they so saw so um it's it's it's just a very compelling way to like visualize the these character's interior world
00:58:42
Speaker
um well i know you said yeah you had from ah eleven to twelve or to or twelve the one but i feel like we've we've covered a a lot of ground here in terms of just like where um <unk>re with with that season and in these characters so far but was was there any any of final thoughts you wanted to add about ah show overall know this was so much fun um i hope certainly that if i we talk about this again at the end of season two i'm not eating my words on anything or my ah
00:59:13
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you know i maybe i'll come back and i'll say oh my god christ is my favorite character of all i sell the best ever is done nothing wrong no i knowt that i don't know that you'll be there but they it'll yeah it'll be interesting to because i would love to keep it i'm goingnna keep on its it's crazy how bingeable this show is because i'll sit down be like nick yeah i'll just draw a couple because i this is the time i gave myself this afternoon and i'm like i'm watching like six episodes of a day very so season one is incredible it was such a tight good season and it the tension built beautifully over it
00:59:47
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but i know from talking to other people um i talked to my dad about this brand as most he's a big sand he watched it you know want an air that he was always asking me is janie there is ritchie ari there is another character bobby something there and so i know that of the harris letgan or you know like love islands big the bombshells haven't even entered the villas yet so i'm sort of excited
Anticipation for Future Developments
01:00:07
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to see these new characters arrive and to understand how that changes the dayic of the show because i've i've only had the appet advertiser course so i'm i'm pumped and some characters have been teased but not really like
01:00:17
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you definitely get more of that fbi agent at harris i think the whole but bed investigation arc is is is very interesting ah also you get more of that that new york guy that tony was meeting with ah john during his anniversary johnny sex i think he's hes and interesting like counterpart to to tony so yeah i'll be interesting to see where you you land with with all all that stuff but yeah i i but let's let's check it let's check back in after like season two because yeah let's do it a lot fun doing this
01:00:50
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um yeah me thank for me this is great i like having an hour to yap about tv is the dream and i mean just lepping about tv movies and any you know like a ah you know i follow you're on letterbox if there's ever a movie you saw where you're like oh i need to talk about this you know like let me know because i i see most stuff like sometimes some things i don't immediately go see in in theaters but there there's a good chances there any i i desperate to see desperate to see now of course now as you say that my mind emptied i'm like what what's a movie what are movies
01:01:22
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um walk
Conclusion and Future Discussions
01:01:23
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but otherwise i'm like there's nothing thats i'm like i have to go be there immediately i do yeah i definitely want to see that i feel like there was something that i forgot but like a lot of the stuff i was looking forward to most like came out already like during the summer like like whether it was like edit or weapons so yeah say yeah but i mean it doesn't even have to be a new re because we don't just do new release it's kind of it it's a pretty open-ended you know ah format of we we we just we just talk about whatever whatever we want so you know if there's
01:01:54
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watch some older movie or something and you're like yeah this this would be fun to talk about then yeah just let let me know um is there do you want to plug plug anything like your socials or oh yeah you can follow me on xs if you want at um m e g a n n n underscore lynn ah at meggan lynd but otherwise that's mostly where i talk about my life and this sopranos and all sorts of stuff my writing stuff and there i refuse call x so i never will um but you follow me on twitter and the doug fileles and
01:02:29
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that's also my youtube and yeah this this podcast so stay stay tuned for more good stuff here and and thanks again for coming yeah thanks so much for having me hope you have a good day you too
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