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Love is Blind Season 2 is Proof It Definitely Isn’t (Part 2)
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Reaux spills some (alleged! alleged!) behind the scenes tea... and The Queens catch up on the fates of Shake the Colonized, Shaina the SALTY, Kyle the Clueless, Sal the Shady, Jarrett the Sneaky, Natalie the Neg Queen, and Shayne, well...
Honestly, did any of these couples EVER actually have a chance?
Tea Thread: https://twitter.com/Reaux_FDS/status/1498107219300151296?s=20&t=HmTLKlvCjXqq45Wsp_BSmQ
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I'm sorry.
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feel i only watched up to like halfway through episode eight it's so cringe i was literally skipping through parts of it because i was just so like pissed off with so many of the characters um yeah i couldn't handle it so i'm sorry but i'll listen to you guys roast them it's very very cheesy um and right up until the end they really try to make it seem like all of these couples had a chance even the ones that pretty clearly didn't have a chance doomed yeah obviously doomed yeah
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And also on my Twitter, I found some alleged behind the scenes tea that was posted on Reddit and I put it on my Twitter and it kind of went viral because people were sharing and retweeting about some of the cast members, some of the things that were observed by production in regards to the cast members, which I'll get to.
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So stay tuned for that scalding hot tea and our take on it.
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It may or may not be true, by the way, because some people were saying it might be fake.
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I don't
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know why people do that.
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Maybe they just like attention, but I tend to believe it was probably true.
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And then the person got spooked because somebody might've been able to identify them, you know, because based on the kind of things they were saying, but none of it seemed like that much of a surprise for it to be
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you know, worth faking.
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It seemed all believable.
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Yeah.
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It seemed very, very believable.
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So I
Analyzing Reality TV Couple Dynamics
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don't know.
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Which couple do you want to start with first?
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So let's start with, um, Danielle and Nick.
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Yeah.
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They pissed me off so much.
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That's what, that was the couple that I was skipping through because they were arguing about nothing all of the time.
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And I was like, bitch, you're pissing me off.
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Like, why are you like arguing about literally nothing?
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And like, also when they met his mom, um,
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And her opening line was like, oh, because I have anxiety and I lost a bunch of weight and I'm so insecure.
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I'm like, yeah, girl, why is that your opening line?
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When you're in... I don't know.
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I get it.
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Some people are really insecure, but when I'm meeting someone, I never just trauma dump all my insecurities.
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I save that shit.
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I keep that shit locked down.
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I don't tell anyone except for on the podcast.
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But...
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When you meet her mom, it becomes really obvious why she's the way she is because her mom makes little backhanded digs at her and puts all her business out in the streets.
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Yeah.
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I see why she's got constant anxiety.
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Her mom's really bad with boundaries.
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She's always negating the things she wants.
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And then she's always just like leading with all of her personal information.
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She tells the camera in like five minutes like, oh, um.
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How?
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How often are you having sex?
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Yeah, how often are you having sex?
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But also, like, I was going to be a psychology major, and so I'm really good at reading people, and then goes into this tirade about how, like, Danielle is always sabotaging her relationships, et cetera.
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And I'm like, I would be so embarrassed if my mom just, like, went and said all of those things about me to a camera, right?
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Whereas you see everybody else's family was somewhat protective of them in front of the camera, whereas, like, Danielle's mom was just, like, diarrhea of the mouth telling all her business.
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Yeah.
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And then psychoanalyzing her, I'm like, yes, that's why she's always like psychoanalyzing herself and then feeling a need to like overshare because that's basically the way her mom treats her, right, to people.
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Yeah, it's a shame.
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Girl needs therapy and you need to like spend significantly, significantly less time with your mom.
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Yeah, put some boundaries on that.
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And I don't, I don't, I can't get a read on her mom whether she's like...
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a malicious person where she's just doing it because she's threatened by her daughter or if she's just generally thinking she's helping and kind of clueless.
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That I can't really tell, but what she's doing is pretty actively harmful.
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Yeah, that's true.
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I thought, yeah, their family, I don't know, families that overshare like that kind of creep me out.
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My family is very reserved.
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And so when I meet, or actually no, I have one side of the family is very reserved.
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One family that's like too open, like creepily open.
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Um, I don't spend as much time around them for that reason.
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But yeah, sometimes I'll meet other people's families and I'm like, really?
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You're talking like, I'll go over to my friend's mom's house and I'll be like,
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And we'll be talking and like her mom will ask about, we'll talk about her sex life.
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And I'm like, that's cool and all, but also like a little weird to me.
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Like I have to have a couple of glasses of wine and be fine with talking about my friend's mom's sex life.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, even though that's cringe, it's like, I would just feel so bad if, you know, you just like talk about all your daughter's faults and flaws in front of people and then psychoanalyze, like it just feels.
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Treat her like a, you know, asylum experiment or something.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, so I feel for Danielle because I feel like she's got to work on her mental health and put serious boundaries on her mother and by extension her family.
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So, okay, so the tea that was spilled behind Nick and Danielle, they basically played up the drama a little bit more for the camera in that they weren't fighting as much as it seemed like.
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Maybe some things were misinterpreted between the two of them where Nick is a little bit more reserved and then Danielle having anxiety.
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She like wants answers right away, you know, based on the reunion show, they went to therapy and started working on those issues.
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And that more or less like Nick's a lot.
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Oh, did they actually get married?
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Yeah, they actually did.
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They did get married.
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Oh, they're still together.
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And they're still together.
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Yeah.
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I wasn't surprised by that, to be honest, because despite all the bickering and given their temperaments, they seemed decently well-matched.
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So I wasn't surprised that they got married in the end.
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Oh, that surprises me.
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Okay.
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Yeah, and it seemed like Nick was actually, he loosened up to some of her more sillier traits, too.
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And he said that, like, he says that they made him seem a little bit more... Like a dork?
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Of a neat freak than he was.
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Yeah, where he's like, he just doesn't like things broken.
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And Danielle even says on the reunion, like, oh, he's the one dancing on tables now.
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And he's like, well, I have sturdier tables.
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And she's like, well, my furniture...
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is cheap.
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So that's probably why he's like, yeah, there's no unbroken stuff.
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But, you know, it seems like they've integrated their friend groups.
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They've integrated their lifestyle.
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They moved in together.
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And it's pretty cute.
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Her cat is super cute, honestly.
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Like, her cat, the orange and, like, black mixed kind of color.
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Oh, so cute.
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Anyways, yeah, I just wanted to say...
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Her cat's adorable.
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I would dump the bed, keep the cat.
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No, I'm kidding.
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Anyways.
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I wonder, did their cat and dog get along?
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Because he has a dog, she has a cat.
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I think so.
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Yeah.
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I think they said it was fine.
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The cat's a little skittish, but it wasn't like...
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It wasn't like World War III or anything with the cats.
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So, yeah.
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So, I mean, they ultimately worked out, but I think, again, they're modeling some healthy behaviors in the sense that they're going to get therapy together.
Public Perception and Relationships
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They seem to be open to not triggering each other and figuring out how to communicate.
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And they just said, you know, they said some of it, too, is the pressure cooker of figuring out if they were going to get married caused some of the argument flare-ups because you're kind of forced to deal with it then and there.
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So they said once the show was over, there was less pressure that they could kind of like relax into their relationship a little bit more.
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So I don't know.
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I wish them the best.
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You know, I feel like always, always good communication and patience and all that kind of stuff.
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So it seems like they're willing to do it.
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So Nick and Danielle.
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So next should we do Jarrett and Iyana?
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Yeah.
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Didn't they also get married?
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They also got married.
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They did.
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And they're still together.
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I think she deserves better, but as long as he treats her well.
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The way they interact seems cute enough and they seem happy, but for me, it's just...
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I think anyone deserves better than being, you know, publicly known as, you know, someone else's second best option.
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Especially when, you know, Mallory wasn't even, or Jarrett wasn't even, like, Mallory's first option.
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It just, it's just the whole, that whole, like, debacle just set a really bad taste in my mouth.
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And I was even surprised that Ayanna accepted his proposal after he basically said that she was second best.
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I was surprised she still said yes.
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Yeah.
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So I, okay.
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First of all, I'm still trying to find out the tea about why he got stabbed because like I said, no grown adult man just gets stabbed for no reason.
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But some of Jarrett started to make a little bit more sense when we met his parents.
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So his dad's a minister, like his dad's a pastor.
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And I was like, oh, okay, he's a pastor's kid.
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So he's like, he's kind of a sneaky bitch, I think.
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So part of it,
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Part of the fights they were having or arguments that Yana and him were having was the fact that he wanted to go out every night and stay all night, etc.
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And then more or less, she's a homebody and was like, well, if you get married, I'd like you to be home more often and that you can't just move how you moved and you're single.
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And it seems like based on the reunion show, that was still an issue after the show when they were first married.
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And then he's slowly given up a lot of his going out
Critique of Sal and Mal's Relationship
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all the time.
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But I definitely see...
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Jarrett is like a pastor's kid.
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He was like trying to do the respectable thing he thinks is going to earn the respect of his father because his father was like, I never married anybody because I always want to be the first person I marry as a pastor to be my son.
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That's fucking weird to me.
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I don't know.
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That's a lot of pressure to put on your kid.
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That's like, I don't know.
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I thought that was a really weird comment.
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I don't know.
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I think it was just sort of a sentimental thing where he's like, I'm not marrying anybody till I marry my oldest son or whatever.
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But that's
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It feels like a ultimatum or like, you know, you have I can't marry anyone else until you get married.
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So you better get married soon kind of thing.
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I don't know.
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Like putting the pressure.
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Yeah.
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But no, but exactly.
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I feel like his dad was more or less looking at him like you need to grow the fuck up and like his entire demeanor towards Jared was like, I mean, he did need to grow the fuck up.
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So, I mean, I don't blame him for saying that.
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Yeah, I did love his parents.
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Yeah, his parents seemed really sweet.
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Yeah, his parents seemed actually so adorable.
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I like when they meet Iana and he shows the engagement ring and they're like super excited.
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And then he's like, oh yeah, and we're getting married in two weeks.
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And the parents are like, oh, yeah, let's sit down and talk about it.
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I was like, oh my gosh, they're so good.
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Like, they seem like such good people.
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Like, they're genuinely concerned for their son like that.
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Like, is he making a bad decision?
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And they're not like those parents that know that their son is low value, but they're excited he's getting married so they don't have to deal with him anymore.
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They actually seem genuinely invested in ensuring that both of them made the right decision.
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Yeah.
00:11:35
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I didn't like how Jarrett said when they asked her, what do you like about her?
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He says, oh, I like how she's resilient.
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Like what you said, Ro, in the first episode, don't lead with your trauma because then a guy will only ever see you that way.
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And he'll be like, wow, she's so strong.
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She's so resilient.
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She's so great at overcoming adversity.
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And like, I don't know, I just wouldn't want...
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She'll deal with whatever nonsense I throw her way.
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That's what it comes across as.
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Yeah, because she'll put up with my bullshit kind of thing.
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That's exactly it.
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Men like that, they see a woman who's put up with a lot of trauma and they think, oh yeah, she'll put up with whatever fucking bullshit I throw her way because she's been through this before kind of thing.
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And it's like...
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Speaking of bullshit, Ayanna admitted that she was really upset about the conversation with Mallory, like, once she actually watched the show, and that they didn't watch the show together.
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And then they showed the clips of them talking Mallory and Jarrett.
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And she was like, well, I was mostly mad at Jarrett because...
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Obviously, Mallory, I don't know her, so she doesn't owe me anything, but Jarrett was supposed to be my partner.
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And he was very clearly trying to flirt and do a last-dish effort with Mallory.
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And Sal also was really upset watching it on TV and then reacting at the reunion.
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And then Jarrett basically was like, oh, no, it wasn't like that.
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Everything was a joke.
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I even made the comment like...
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Okay, so when we saw Jarrett and Sal have the conversation on the beach about the conversation that Jarrett had with Mallory and what went down, I was like, Jarrett is an experienced side dude because he totally deflected that entire situation knowing that he was full of shit.
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I was like, I think you got stabbed because you're the type of dude to be talking to like your friends, women behind their back.
00:13:12
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Yeah.
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And his friends look like a gaggle of fuck boys, to be real.
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So I'm looking at it from the perspective of like he lied way too easy with that situation for me to not believe this dude is not an experienced side dude.
00:13:23
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And so later when they're both watching the actual footage, it's very clear that he was like not joking.
00:13:31
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Right.
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Yeah.
00:13:31
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So no, he's very obviously serious about it.
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Right.
00:13:34
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But then he tried to like, it was just a joke, bro.
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Yeah.
00:13:37
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Like say that to Sal as well as Ayanna.
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Right.
00:13:39
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And try to make it seem like, oh, it wasn't that big of a deal.
00:13:42
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So like definitely some sneaky points on that one.
00:13:46
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And he seemed like he was really overcompensating, like trying to be extra affectionate because maybe he knew he fucked up.
00:13:51
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Right.
00:13:51
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He's like, yeah, I shouldn't have had that conversation and I've apologized for it, et cetera, et cetera.
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And so I don't know.
00:13:58
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Once again, it's like, is it a public display because he feels guilty?
00:14:01
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Is it a public display because he knows it's going to look bad on his part?
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you know, like just trying to overcome it.
00:14:07
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But I don't know.
00:14:07
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I'm, I'm real sketch on Iana and Jerry.
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I feel like he's definitely going to cheat on her.
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100% going to cheat on her.
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And then when that happens, he's going to be like, Oh, it was the devil that tempted me.
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Oh, it was, I'm so sorry.
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I sinned or whatever.
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I don't know.
00:14:21
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Is he particularly religious or does he seem like the kind of scrote who would like use religion to excuse his scrotery?
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I mean, I don't know.
00:14:27
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He never really brought up religion, but his dad is a pastor.
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And I think it's, it comes across to me like it's important to him to be respected in that circle.
00:14:35
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Right.
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So I don't know.
00:14:36
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Like I said, I think he's just a PK kid where like he's sort of loosely religious.
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PKs are like pastor's kids.
00:14:40
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Like they're sort of loosely religious, but like, you know, it's always like a contentious thing between them and their family because they want the freedom.
00:14:47
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So I look at it like he looks at Iyana as like a stabilizing force.
00:14:51
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And I think her parents are very religious as well.
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But like realistically, he wants to be in the streets.
00:14:56
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Yeah.
00:14:57
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Yeah, he's for the streets.
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Yeah, he wants to be partying.
00:15:00
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Like he didn't really want to give it up yet, but his community expects him to start to act a little bit more mature.
00:15:07
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But I'm a little bit iffy on that because I'm like, well, can you really take a guy out the streets who doesn't want to be out yet?
00:15:14
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Right?
00:15:15
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Yeah, no, you can't.
00:15:16
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You literally can't.
00:15:17
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The only reason he's out is because he got stabbed.
00:15:19
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Right?
00:15:19
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So as soon as he starts to emotionally heal from that, he might want to go back out, you know?
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Seems like it was just a life-threatening situation that made him change his mind more so than he matured out of that scene.
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Yeah.
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No, he needs... He even said in the first episode that he's looking for a woman who will take care of him if something happens to him.
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He seems like the kind of guy who's already mentally preparing for the next time he gets stabbed.
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Right?
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He's just looking
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He inevitably gets stabbed again because he's going to do something foul.
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Yeah, he already knows he's going to do something shitty that will probably get him stabbed.
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And he's like, well, at least this time I'll have a live-in female caregiver.
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So I'll be ahead of the curve this time.
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I do think he genuinely likes and loves her.
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I just don't think he's really about the life he's trying good for her.
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Yeah, I don't think he's good for her, and I don't think he's about the life he's trying to portray.
00:16:07
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And even then, there was some insight during the tux fitting where he was talking about the difference between Mal and Iyana, which is that Iyana wants to go back to school, and so she's not going to be having income and stuff like that.
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So he's going to have to carry a lot of financial burden, which I think he wouldn't have had to do that with Mal, which is also a motivating factor for him.
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So he also comes across like...
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Oh, so when, when, uh, Iyana brought that up and like, I think it was episode six or seven, she was like, oh, well, Valerie's more established than me.
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Uh, you know, and so on, so on.
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She asked about that.
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And, uh, Jarrett was like, no, so that actually was a problem.
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So he just lied to her face about it.
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Yeah, it was a problem.
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He mentioned it, um, as like a thing he's got to now take care of.
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It's going to be more of a financial, uh, issue because of, yeah, her not working.
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And so they, they were talking about that during the tux fitting with his like gaggle of fuck boyfriends.
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I'm like, uh, all your friends look like they ain't shit.
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I don't really think.
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I'm just not convinced,
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man.
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I'm not convinced at how committed he is to this marriage.
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Like, he might, I mean, he might turn it around.
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He might, like, really take it seriously.
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And it seems like he's trying.
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But that'll be interesting to see the one year later reunion.
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But I also think Iyana's not going to leave him.
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She seems like she's a bit of a doormat.
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So.
00:17:16
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Yeah, that's sad.
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Yeah.
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It'd probably take a lot for her to actually leave.
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So next on the list was Sal and Mal.
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Did they get married?
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No, they didn't.
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So what happened... Okay, good.
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Episode 10 was Sal said that he thought it wasn't right, that he felt like there was trust issues in the relationship, which, yeah, obviously between the two of them.
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And then two, that her family didn't come through.
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And so he didn't feel right doing it because her family didn't approve, which he also talked about, I think, on his Instagram.
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Oh, her family literally didn't go to the wedding?
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Oh, that's cold.
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Her sister did, but her parents didn't.
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And I don't think he got to meet a lot of her extended family.
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And remember, her sister was really iffy about Sal when they met during the parents' exchange.
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It was interesting to see the contrast, right?
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Sal's sister's really open to the experience and talking to her and trying to embrace her.
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And then on the other hand...
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Mal's sister was really skeptical.
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She was like, are you sure this is the right decision?
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I'm not sure this is going to be good for you.
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And she wasn't like, she wasn't like outright disrespectful of Sal or anything, but she was like, I don't know you.
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And so I'm not trying to be rude, but you know, our parents aren't really interested in being part of the circus, et cetera.
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So Mal didn't really have her family's full support.
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And then Sal didn't feel comfortable with that.
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In addition to the fact that they had both now had some like weird fuckery going on that, uh,
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rightfully so gave the other one trust issues, right?
00:18:33
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So first it was Mal's little flirtation with Jarrett, which, you know, it's really shitty that both Jarrett and Mallory tried to gaslight Sal about that situation.
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And Sal was pretty visibly pissed during the reunion being like, okay, when I saw that, I was definitely pissed again.
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Cause he's like, you guys both.
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He's like, I was right the whole time.
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Yeah, he was right.
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They trashed him for no reason.
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And then secondly, the other thing was that when the girl showed up at Sal's
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sister's home that he says was like a girl he was sleeping with or friends with benefits that is taking it way too seriously.
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That apparently gave Mal a lot of hesitation as well.
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And if you believe...
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The tea that was spilled on Reddit, that argument went on and was pretty intense for a while.
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So a girl that claimed to be dating Sal showed up to his sister's house and caused a scene.
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Can I just say, I also like how Sal has a bunch of sisters.
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That's another thing I look out for when I'm dating.
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My boyfriend has two sisters, and so he's like a middle child.
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So I always look for men who have sisters because they are usually more friendly to women and just better than men who only have brothers.
00:19:36
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Well, okay, so it's hard to tell what that situation was because Sal's, because obviously she knows Sal's sisters, right?
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And then the tea that was spilled on Reddit was that Sal was allegedly actually seriously dating this woman, but then ditched her to go on Love is Blind.
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But he, you know...
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Oh, it's hard to tell what the truth is there because he's like, well, they notify you a year out from when they start filming that you're going to have to do love is blind.
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So he's like, I was upfront with everybody involved that this, you know, I was going to be doing this.
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Right.
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And what his motivations were that I'd be here trying to look for my wife.
00:20:07
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So either the girl, either he's being a fuck boy and wasn't really honest to her, or he was honest with her and she's a little nuts, but like either way, kind of poor judgment on his part.
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So yeah,
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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It's hard to tell because sometimes exes be crazy like that.
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I don't know.
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Sometimes they're crazy, but then I'm like, I sometimes I feel like the quiet ones are like the biggest fuck boys.
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That's why I'm sort of maybe, uh, I'm a little bit iffy with him.
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And also like, cause it's with reality TV, there's always the types that just do shit.
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Cause they want to like be on TV.
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True.
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Yeah.
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Were you serious about trying to find a way for you?
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Just trying to look like a good guy and promote your mariachi band or whatever he plays in.
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Can I say it was hilarious when he was like, oh, yeah, we're going to have a bunch of kids.
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They'll be like a little mariachi.
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That's so adorable.
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Hilarious, but adorable.
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Anyways, I think Mal just wasn't into him.
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You could just see that their chemistry wasn't there.
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And I think her first impression when she met him was right, that she just wasn't into a guy who was like.
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Yeah, a ukulele playing sensitive soft boy type guy.
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She wants a more rough and tumble guy.
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And ironically, he did the best.
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So for their bachelor party, they went to Wrigley Field and did baseball.
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And ironically, Sal was like one of the best performing baseball players there.
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Yeah.
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That's hilarious.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah.
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So he has some athletic talent and he was like, maybe I should have been a baseball player.
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He's like, I'm just not into sports.
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I'm into like, you know, music, et cetera.
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So I just look like ultimately Mal, that's just not the type that Mal wanted.
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But, you know, she's maybe trying to lean into the experiment and date against her usual type who apparently treats her like shit.
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I thought she said like, oh, I'm like, oh, no, she's like, oh, I'm one of the guys, you know, this is the type of guy I like, but they treat me like I'm one of the guys or something.
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She said like she says that they're just like not they don't ever like really compliment her, make her feel good, like making her feel like, oh, you're a bad bitch, etc.
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Right.
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That's what she was talking to Jared about.
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So she just apparently feels like they're not, I don't know, stroking your ego enough or whatever.
00:22:05
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But either way, it just seems like a lifestyle difference.
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Like she, she probably just feels like she should like Sal, but doesn't actually like Sal.
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Like she's not really actually in love with him.
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Yeah.
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Like he's one of those guys who maybe seems good on paper, but like the physical chemistry just isn't there.
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And it is what it is.
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For whatever reason, she's just not attracted to him.
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And...
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There's some other tea that like they're both not spilling.
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So Sal made a comment like there's other things that happen, but I'm not going to like put it on the show out of respect for Mal.
00:22:33
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So I don't know what happened, but I'm dying to know.
00:22:35
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And I wish this Rihanna was more messy, but basically everyone.
00:22:39
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But the problem is like, so they're all professionals and they're not like professional reality TV people.
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So you could see that they were trying to protect each other, protect each other's like reputation because they all have to go back to work after this.
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Whereas some other ones, like they would have been super messy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, true.
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Except for Amber in the first unit, because she didn't have a job.
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She had no qualms.
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She had nothing to lose.
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Yeah, airing everybody the fuck out.
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She was such a horrible person.
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That's when I turned on her, I was doing the reunion of the first season.
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I was like, ugh, gross.
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They definitely gave her a good edit.
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Yeah, so that's essentially what happened with Sal and Mal.
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I'm not surprised they didn't get married.
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Mal looked a little bit disappointed, but also maybe she just didn't like being rejected.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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They don't belong together.
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She doesn't like him like that.
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And they both don't trust each other.
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Back to the show.
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So next couple was, is it just Natalie and Shane?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Where do we start?
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Okay.
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So here's the thing.
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I still maintain that I think Shane is a substance abuser.
00:24:51
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Wait, did they get married?
00:24:52
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No, they didn't get married.
00:24:53
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No, right?
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Okay, good.
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So what happened was on episode 10, it comes up that they had some huge blowout fight after the bachelor party.
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So I guess they had the bachelor party a night or two before the wedding.
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The bachelor party was them at Wrigley Field.
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And Shane is like...
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clearly drunk and probably on some other substances and he can't hit any of the baseballs.
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So he's throwing a fit, right?
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He like threw the ball.
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He's like taking shots at Sal because Sal's actually hitting the ball.
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I'm like, probably you can't hit the ball because you're drunk and high as fuck and your hand-eye coordination is zero, right?
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Your hand-eye coordination is zero.
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So he's raging about the fact that he's really doing poorly at baseball.
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And so apparently at some point,
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there's a fight that happens between him and Natalie off camera.
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And he said something to her, like, you're the worst thing that ever happened to me.
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basically made it like made it seem like uh this was just a big mistake etc etc so um he shows up to the he shows up to the wedding and to be blunt he looked high as fuck like there's just no like nice way to say it there's like that scene i i saw the clip of him with his jaw just like grinding his jaw like yeah he's fucking high man like that's how fucking crackheads act
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That's how people act with their own blow.
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And the tea that was spilled by the production spiller, if it's true, on my Twitter, says that they caught him during production, like, using cocaine several times.
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Oh, shit.
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But again, not sure if it's true.
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Disclaimer, disclaimer.
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But, like...
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I mean, just looking at him and having seen drag addicts, like he, he looks like a, he looks and acts just like a drag addict.
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And literally the first thing I wrote about him, I mentioned this in the first episode, he seems like a crackhead because that's, yeah, again, I've seen crackheads.
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Like that's how they fucking act.
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Like,
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Like at the reunion, he looked really gaunt and he was giving me like Aaron Carter vibes, like with his like fidgety, like explosive, really nonsensical reactions to everything.
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So part of the problem with Shane is like when he's sober, he's probably a perfectly fine dude.
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But when he's high, he's a crazy person.
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Or going through withdrawals.
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Yeah.
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Or going through withdrawals.
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And so obviously Natalie should get herself the hell out of there.
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So I want to talk about it almost on two layers, which is like, okay, let's just assume...
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Let's talk about sober Shane and their relationship.
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So sober Shane and Natalie, to me, never seemed like a good match.
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Like I said from the last episode, she doesn't like to give him the compliments, and she can be very cutting the way she talks to him, being like, oh, you're a piece of shit, or whatever.
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She has a very sarcastic sense of humor.
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But for someone who, like...
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You know, likes words of affirmation.
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Requires constant praise and validation.
00:27:28
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Yeah.
00:27:29
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Yeah.
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That's really going to like start to cut down their self-esteem and like piss them off.
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So that communication issue to me was always going to be a problem.
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And like I said, I don't think it was a big deal if you just need to compliment your partner.
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And again, it's just maybe a communication style difference.
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Mm-hmm.
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We asked the girl and she was like fishing for a partner for compliments and he just kind of nagged her the whole time.
00:27:48
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I think we would think that was kind of shitty too.
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But like in this case, it was such a mismatch that I was like, why are you, why are you like keep continuing to pursue this guy if you don't actually like his personality?
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Like you're overwhelmed by.
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Cause she thinks he's hot.
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That's like literally the whole reason why she was with him.
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Like the moment she saw him, she was like, Oh my God, he's so hot.
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Like, she said that several times throughout the series.
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You're so hot.
00:28:08
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He's so hot.
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That's the reason why.
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Like, he's tall.
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He's, like, tall white guy.
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Tall, tall.
00:28:15
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I saw this tweet a while back that was like, is he attractive or is he just tall and white?
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And I hate to say it, but it did kind of come across me like he's a tall, assertive white guy.
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So she's like hanging her hopes on him.
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And then secondly, when he was talking about his like financial habits, she was like, oh, we have to build a 401k.
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And he's like, I don't believe in 401ks.
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And I spend like $2,000 a month on food.
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And I was like restaurants.
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I'm like, nope, deal breaker.
00:28:39
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It's not our restaurants.
00:28:40
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Like, first of all, it's not all restaurants.
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Let's keep it around.
00:28:43
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Drugs as well.
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Yeah.
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And then two, like with Natalie, she's so like meticulously organized and like either he would have to give all of his finances completed to her, otherwise they're, or they're going to completely blow up about that.
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Like you can't have a person who has like zero financial sense and still wants control and a person who has a ton of like fiscal conservative habits.
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So I was like, they just don't seem compatible in all of the really, really important ways.
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And I struggle to see why they like each other.
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And even when you ask Shane, the only reason he liked Natalie was like, well, she really likes me.
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So Shane just really craves validation from someone.
00:29:17
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Yeah.
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And Natalie doesn't want to give it to him.
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And Natalie doesn't like how extroverted he is.
00:29:22
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And Natalie doesn't like any of his financial habits.
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So it's like, why is she like this guy?
00:29:25
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Yeah.
00:29:28
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I don't get it.
00:29:29
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Again, yeah, they're so incompatible.
00:29:31
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Like, what he needs to do is find another woman.
00:29:33
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You know how, like, in the Annie Cassina episode, she was like, oh, a narcissistic man will be like, I'm so awesome.
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A narcissistic woman will usually be like, you're so awesome.
00:29:42
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So he just needs to get with another woman who will be like, oh my god, Shane, you're so amazing.
00:29:46
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You're so tall.
00:29:46
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You're so handsome.
00:29:47
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You're so strong.
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Amazing.
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Blah, blah, blah.
00:29:48
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And the two, like, two narcissists together can be a power couple, okay?
00:29:52
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Like...
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even convinced he's a narcissist so much.
00:29:55
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He's just like kind of insecure and like, like just needs like some pep talk, right?
00:29:59
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Like he actually seemed kind of sad to me.
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That's how narcissists are.
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They're deeply insecure.
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They need constant praise and validation.
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That's how they be.
00:30:06
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To me, I just, he doesn't seem like he's malevolent, like a narcissist that was trying to do people.
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Not all narcissists are malevolent, actually.
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Like that's another thing.
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It's like, there's some
00:30:15
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narcissists that are like malignant there's some narcissists that are uh like covert nurses they're just like insecure but like in a sort of passive kind of like oh like i think i'm great but the world doesn't think i'm great kind of thing but he doesn't even think he's great like i just think he has guard i just think he just has garden variety low self-esteem but i will say the problem is is that his drug habit it makes it hard to read because his explosive anger problems are definitely fucking drug induced right so he has low impulse control yeah
00:30:42
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extremely low impulse control.
00:30:44
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So a lot of his behavior just seems to me like to be a person that's just whatever drugs he's on is completely shot his ability to assess the situation.
00:30:53
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And then when he gets, when he's off his drugs, he's going through withdrawal, he's massively insecure, right?
00:30:58
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He doesn't like the way he's acting when he's on drugs.
00:31:00
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And you can see like, he's pretty remorseful and like, for whatever, for whatever is where I seem to genuinely love Natalie, but he can't control himself.
00:31:07
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It's a toxic relationship.
00:31:09
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I don't think he actually loves Natalie.
00:31:11
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He likes the fact that she likes him.
00:31:13
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That's the thing.
00:31:14
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Like, that's why I think he's a narcissist is because they don't like the actual human being in front of them.
00:31:19
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They like the validation that the person
Critique of Reality TV Personalities
00:31:21
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gives them.
00:31:21
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That's literally one of the first things he said when they got together and somebody asked him, oh, why do you like Natalie?
00:31:28
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He was literally like, because she likes me.
00:31:31
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Because I was her number one choice from the beginning kind of thing.
00:31:34
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Yeah.
00:31:35
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Like, that's exactly how nurses be in a relationship.
00:31:38
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They will, like, they have this projection of, like, the ideal partner.
00:31:42
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And then, like, over time, the relationship gets worse and worse and worse when the person, as they get to know the person and realize that how they imagine them to be, like, the fantasy doesn't live up to reality, right?
00:31:53
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And that's kind of the impression I got with them.
00:31:54
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He was just disappointed that she was mean to him.
00:31:57
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Like, that's the only thing that I feel like was...
00:32:00
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the issue.
00:32:00
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I don't even think she was that mean.
00:32:01
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She was just sort of like teasing a little bit.
00:32:03
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Like, I don't know.
00:32:03
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I kind of, I'm kind of like that.
00:32:05
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I mean, like that's a lovely image thing that people would not like.
00:32:07
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I'll be honest, Natalie would get on my nerves because she'd be kind of a downer every time we'd be trying to keep the mood light.
00:32:12
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Cause she'd be like, Oh, this person is a piece of shit.
00:32:14
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I don't want to do this.
00:32:15
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I can't do that.
00:32:16
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I'm like, man, girl, shut up.
00:32:17
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Like there's times when I was listening to Natalie and I was like, I couldn't be in even a friendship with Natalie.
00:32:23
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And it's like, not because I feel like
00:32:25
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she's a bad person or anything, but like her communication style can be cutting to people who like a certain level of levity.
00:32:31
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And I didn't really like, at least when I'm looking at Shane, like I didn't really think he was trying to put an expectation that she needed to be a certain way other than like she wouldn't support him or like have very cutting comments towards him.
00:32:42
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But again, we don't know the whole story.
00:32:43
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So it's hard to see that's, that's everything.
00:32:45
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And then when,
00:32:46
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And then, and obviously he had a couple of times where he turned the argument around on her and he should have taken responsibility.
00:32:51
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And, but it's like all of them did that at some point, like in the fucking show.
00:32:57
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Shane did that.
00:32:58
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Nick did that.
00:32:58
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Jared did that.
00:33:00
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Val did that.
00:33:01
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Shake obviously that, but a lot of them like turned arguments around on the other person when they should have taken responsibility, especially when he screwed up like Natalie and Shane, his name.
00:33:10
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And then later when, when they were arguing, Natalie was like, Oh, well,
00:33:16
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I think you have a lot to work on, et cetera, et cetera.
00:33:19
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And he says, like, he's like, I acknowledge that.
00:33:21
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And I'm even say it's like 80% my fault, but I feel like you never like apologize or say there's anything that's contributed to that.
00:33:27
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And so there's like a big, you know, contentious point there of them trying to say like, okay, I'm not the entire bad guy here.
00:33:33
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And then her being like,
00:33:35
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you have this and you have this.
00:33:36
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So she's very critical of him and that just causes him to lash out even more.
00:33:40
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So you have a guy who's low self-esteem, low impulse control because of his drug use, and then a person who's highly critical of them.
00:33:46
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That just seemed like an explosive thing.
00:33:48
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But I don't know if that's a narcissist trait so much as him just being on drugs.
00:33:51
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I'm also quite hesitant to...
00:33:55
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to label people as a narcissist, like, based off a reality TV show and you haven't met them and it's all edited and spliced together in different ways.
00:34:02
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Like, his behaviour is very questionable, but I think it's really, really different, especially when they, you know, the producers of the show clearly have an agenda.
00:34:13
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It's really difficult to...
00:34:16
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you know, to diagnose people with different stuff based off just the screen time that we're seeing.
00:34:22
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His dad died too, so I wonder if it was just like emotional wounds that were really open, maybe.
00:34:27
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But I just want to be clear, I'm not diagnosing him or anything.
00:34:29
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I'm saying these are like patterns of behavior that I recognize in people that I don't like.
00:34:33
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And whether it's like, I don't think they have like...
00:34:36
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I don't know if they have like actual narcissistic personality disorder, but they have behaviors that I associate with narcissism.
00:34:43
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And that's just people that I just, I don't like that.
00:34:45
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So I don't, I just, when I see people act like that, I don't want to spend any time with them.
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00:35:55
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Okay, so I think that's kind of it with them.
00:35:58
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They said they tried to date a little bit after the show and be friends, but it blew up in their face.
00:36:03
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And there was an awkward moment where Vanessa Lachey asked Shana and Shane if they had had any communication after the show.
00:36:12
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And Shane, like, completely shut it down.
00:36:13
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He's like, I don't want to talk about that at all.
00:36:15
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And, like...
00:36:17
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He was already kind of emotionally volatile because of the conversation between Natalie and him.
00:36:20
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And then like Shayna came through and clarified and said like, no, we didn't like we hang out once, but we didn't nothing happened between us, et cetera, et cetera.
00:36:27
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I just want to make that clear.
00:36:28
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And then they went on both their Instagrams and said like, we never had anything romantic.
00:36:33
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Who knows if that's true or not.
00:36:34
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But the T on Shayna was Shayna allegedly had a boyfriend.
00:36:39
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already and that again she was on the show as a stunt queen oh so she had a boyfriend the whole time that's hilarious that's the tea right like it's not confirmed and she obviously hasn't said anything to that effect but the tea that was spilled on the reddit was that like she actually had someone that she was seeing and really that's hilarious you know she's just a reality tv wannabe so oh wow okay
00:37:09
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wow gosh you know for behavior now it makes a lot of sense actually like yeah it does checking in at 7 40 yeah uh you know leaving in from the mexico trip and all that um you know what honestly though i don't hate the stunt queen stuff though i don't i don't hate it um
00:37:25
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But my favorite part with Shana was when Kyle goes to meet her family.
00:37:32
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I loved how her brothers were just grilling him.
00:37:36
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I really enjoyed that scene.
00:37:38
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I really enjoyed watching Kyle get grilled.
00:37:40
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I like that her family's very protective of her.
00:37:42
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Her mom seems like a really nice person.
00:37:45
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They're all just sitting there judging him, asking him tough questions.
00:37:48
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I wish my family was like that with mine.
00:37:50
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The men that I date.
00:37:50
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That's honestly what my family would be like, though.
00:37:53
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If I brought a guy home, they'd just be grilling them, especially my sister and my brother.
00:37:57
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They gave me strong Christian conservative vibes, which... I mean, I have very... An adverse reaction to them somewhat.
00:38:05
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But I also understand where they're coming from, because for people for whom that framework is really important, they want to be able to fold a guy into their family who has their same beliefs and values.
00:38:15
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And Shana's mom says, I can't give...
00:38:18
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him my blessing because, you know, he's not a Christian and he doesn't believe.
00:38:23
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And I think they just don't, they don't like the guy because he doesn't have their, their particular brand of beliefs.
00:38:28
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So, but I do think her brother made kind of a weird comment, like, oh, as long as you like being American.
00:38:32
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So I'm like, oh, okay.
00:38:32
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So these are like deep Trumpers.
00:38:34
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So these people are racist.
00:38:35
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Okay.
00:38:35
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Probably.
00:38:36
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I don't know.
00:38:37
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Who knows?
00:38:37
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But like, they're definitely Trump conservatives, right?
00:38:40
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Like they're those kinds of people.
00:38:42
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So yeah,
00:38:45
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The conversation, so the other thing, Elephant in Room, was the conversation that Shane and Shana had on the beach in episode six.
00:38:55
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Oh, yeah.
00:38:55
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Yeah.
00:38:56
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I enjoyed that too.
00:38:57
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Shane is such a grade A fucking hater.
00:39:00
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I hate it.
00:39:00
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Like, listen, and listen, I'm going to like, I'm going to kind of put myself out there.
00:39:06
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Like I know what it's like, I, this is happening before we're like, you know, a new guy comes and like two girls might like the same guy.
00:39:12
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And then the other girl gets them like just slightly quicker than you get.
00:39:15
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And like that salty ass feeling when you feel like you lost, like you got to figure out how to handle that better.
00:39:20
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Cause she just looked bad.
00:39:22
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Right?
00:39:23
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Like, you gotta keep your dignity.
00:39:24
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Like, she was like, oh, you guys are a joke.
00:39:26
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Like, she was so toxic in that moment.
00:39:29
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Yeah.
00:39:29
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That was the one part that I found entertaining, but I was like, girl, like, yeah, save your dignity.
00:39:34
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The whole, like, oh, I can find another guy for you if it doesn't work out with Shane.
00:39:37
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I was like, oh, you sneaky bitch.
00:39:39
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Like, you're trying to... That was, like, her trying to suss out how serious they were about each other.
00:39:44
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Yeah, exactly.
00:39:45
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And trying to see if, like, oh, can I swoop in and, like, steal him kind of thing.
00:39:48
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I'm like, girl, like, don't try to steal another...
00:39:52
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woman's man.
00:39:53
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Let's just cringe.
00:39:53
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She just looks so thirsty and pathetic.
00:39:56
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You didn't look like the bigger person.
00:39:58
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You looked really thirsty, pathetic, and salty as fuck.
00:40:01
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That was some grade A hateration for like, what, like 20 minutes?
00:40:08
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Because she went from saying like, oh, I don't know if you guys are compatible or I don't get it to straight up calling them a joke.
00:40:13
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I think when the audience started to kind of turn for Shane was when he kind of shut her down.
00:40:18
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Right.
00:40:19
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Yeah.
00:40:36
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Yeah, I actually liked that about him.
00:40:38
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I liked how he defended Natalie like that and defended their relationship.
00:40:42
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He didn't try to be like with Jarrett where it was like, oh, well, maybe, you know, you know, he didn't try to keep his options open like with Jarrett.
00:40:50
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So I did.
00:40:50
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Yeah, I did.
00:40:51
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I'll give credit where credit is due.
00:40:52
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I thought that was cool.
00:40:53
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Yeah.
00:40:53
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I'm serious about Mary's.
00:40:54
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Like he was one of the people I think was on there really trying to find a partner and wasn't there just to be on reality TV.
00:40:59
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But I think Shayna was there to be on reality TV, but then felt extra salty when she didn't get picked by the guy she wanted.
00:41:05
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Yeah.
00:41:06
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And then ended up with Kyle.
00:41:08
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So.
00:41:09
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The reaction when Shake met Shayna was like, I could tell that Shayna was Shayna's usual probable physical type.
00:41:16
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He was like, oh, damn.
00:41:17
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Like I could tell in his head he's thinking like, oh, damn, she's hot.
00:41:21
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He can never get with Shayna.
00:41:22
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He's such a loser.
00:41:23
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Yeah, he's like, yeah.
00:41:25
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Shake is such a mess.
00:41:26
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So, okay, so the thing with Kyle.
00:41:28
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So Kyle was really pissed at the reunion.
00:41:30
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Understandably.
00:41:31
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Yeah, at the conversation that Shayna and Shane had.
00:41:36
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There's still many SH names.
00:41:38
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Shayna, Shane, Shake.
00:41:39
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Like, I can't do this, guys.
00:41:39
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Yeah.
00:41:40
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Y'all are going to have to break up your name structures.
00:41:43
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Too much alliteration, yeah.
00:41:45
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Yeah.
00:41:46
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So Kyle was obviously really mad at the conversation that Shayna and Shane had.
00:41:52
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And then also questioning, like, well, did you ever really like me, right?
00:41:55
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And I honestly think either the tea that was spilled that she already had a guy and she was just basically on there trying to be a real housewife or she just wasn't physically attracted to him but didn't know how to say it was probably...
00:42:07
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The real truth.
00:42:08
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So Kyle comes out and says, like, what was the deal?
00:42:11
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Were you just not attracted to me?
00:42:13
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Was the religion really a deal breaker, etc.?
00:42:15
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And she says, like, listen, it was just it was the religion.
00:42:17
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And she's like, I liked you.
00:42:18
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But if I'm being honest, I wasn't 100 percent when I said yes.
00:42:21
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And she's like, my people pleasing tendencies took over.
00:42:24
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She was like, I.
00:42:25
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I feel like I was trying to be a people pleaser in that moment and I ended up hurting the both of us.
00:42:29
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And I, so I feel like she tried to take accountability, but then it's like, uh, Kyle didn't want to like, let it go.
00:42:35
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He was still like being pushy for answers.
00:42:37
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And I'm like, sometimes there's just not an answer, man.
00:42:39
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And that's what I noticed as a toxic trait with Kyle is like, he just doesn't take like no for an answer.
00:42:45
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Yeah.
00:42:46
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So I feel like she's been in so many ways trying to tell him, um,
00:42:50
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this is not going to work and he's trying to bargain with her.
00:42:52
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And then when it's even at the reunion, when she's like, it didn't work, he just needs to know like every single reason why she doesn't like him.
00:42:58
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But I also feel like she's avoiding the elephant in the room, which is either she had a boyfriend or she's not attracted to him, but she doesn't want to look like shakes.
00:43:05
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So she doesn't, she's trying to protect his feelings and then just be like, well, it's the religion thing, et cetera, et cetera.
00:43:09
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Cause I don't think she would have been as serious, serious with the religious thing with, with, uh,
00:43:13
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with shane if her and shana got together but then again shane is probably cursory christian even if he's not a super practicing one so they should pretend he's not like a full-on atheist or at least not has never said he was like kyle is which is going to alienate her family so yeah yeah kyle had a really weird comment that was like um he's like oh i'm so good at meeting people's families and then he said something like oh what is he like a murderer i
00:43:40
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You know, like episode one of this, I was saying like he, he has like devil physiognomy.
00:43:44
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He looks satanic.
00:43:45
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He looks evil.
00:43:46
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I'm not even religious or anything, but he has something about him just looks mischievous when he was like, Oh yeah.
00:43:52
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What is he a murderer?
00:43:52
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I'm like, I don't know, Kyle, you tell me, are you an actual murderer?
00:43:55
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Like that wouldn't surprise me.
00:43:59
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Well, he did try to murder Shake in some Instagram comments.
00:44:04
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So the other tea that was spilled at the reunion, if y'all didn't know, was that Deep Tea and Kyle actually were close to getting engaged.
00:44:13
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Really?
00:44:13
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Yes.
00:44:15
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And the rumor is that Deep Tea and Kyle are now dating.
00:44:19
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They reconnected after the show.
00:44:20
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Oh, seriously?
00:44:22
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You know what?
00:44:22
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Good for them.
00:44:23
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Queen.
00:44:23
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Good for her.
00:44:24
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I'm happy for her.
00:44:25
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So he was like all in the comments of the Lovin's Blind Instagram basically dragging Shake for Phil.
00:44:31
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Nice.
00:44:32
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Being like you're a narcissist, etc.
00:44:34
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But it's funny.
00:44:35
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He didn't like Shake from the beginning because I watched a little bit of the beginning again.
00:44:39
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And there's a part where Shake's talking and Kyle's literally like nobody cares.
00:44:43
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Nice.
00:44:44
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Nice.
00:44:45
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When you see the reunion, you can see that everybody on that panel hates Shake's guts.
00:44:49
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Like whatever he said, even before they saw the show, but even before they saw the show from behind the scenes cuts, when you see people interacting with Shake, you could tell they just don't like him, that he's just kind of a clueless douchebag.
00:45:03
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Yeah, I didn't like him.
00:45:04
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Like, God, he was just so insufferable.
00:45:07
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So what happened with Shake and Deep T is obviously they did not get married.
00:45:11
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And Deep T was asked first if she wanted to marry Shake.
00:45:16
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And then Deep T said no and then said that she deserves someone who loves her fully and loves her for who she is.
00:45:22
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So she had like this kind of empowering speech there and then walked away from it and then was kind of antagonistic in the way that she walked away from it.
00:45:29
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And then like...
00:45:29
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Sheik sitting there with the O face, trying to play it off.
00:45:33
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Like, oh, I'm glad she did it so I didn't have to do it, etc.
00:45:35
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And I have restaurant reservations at Nobu.
00:45:38
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And just trying to be his best Tom Haverford self, just name dropping everything he's going to do now.
Cultural Backgrounds and Relationship Influences
00:45:44
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Side note, Indian weddings look lit, and I low-key want to culturally appropriate it.
00:45:53
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they do they have like hundreds of people i love like the drum court like the i don't know drummers that like a walked the groom party like down the aisle and then like deep tea's wedding dress was just gorgeous like i really loved it but it was a really beautiful wedding but um i want to call true i kind of do i'm like they are really gorgeous actually i
00:46:14
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I was like, stylistically, I would love to do this.
00:46:16
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It's such a good party.
00:46:17
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But I know it's got too much.
00:46:18
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I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't want to disrespect anyone's culture.
00:46:20
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Unless you married an Indian guy, then probably you'd have to have that ceremony.
00:46:24
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But then it wouldn't be a half.
00:46:25
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It would be a privilege.
00:46:28
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So, yeah.
00:46:29
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So, yeah.
00:46:31
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So, the tea that was spilled on the Reddit was that apparently, like, Shaq was saying just way, way, way worse things that were even televised and that he actually got an easy edit.
00:46:44
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So he said things like Deep T's loose skin should be studied by science.
00:46:48
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Fuck this guy.
00:46:49
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And that he normally dates small, petite white girls.
00:46:52
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He never date anybody over 110.
00:46:54
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So he was basically telling everybody who would listen that he wasn't attracted to Deep T. And not even just saying he wasn't attracted to her, like actively insulting her and then comparing her to white women constantly.
00:47:05
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Oh my God.
00:47:06
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This is a very colorist, colonized, pathetic little man.
00:47:11
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He has a conquered mentality.
00:47:12
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Yeah.
00:47:13
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It's pathetic, man.
00:47:14
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Like it's so, it's so, it's like so secondhand embarrassing.
00:47:18
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Like the entire reunion was like secondhand embarrassing because at one point everybody told him to shut the fuck up and he did not shut up.
00:47:26
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He was like, I have to keep it real.
00:47:27
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And I'm like, you're a fucking clown.
00:47:29
Speaker
You're so fucking fake.
00:47:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:31
Speaker
And you knew it was bad when even, like, Shane was looking at him like he was crazy.
00:47:34
Speaker
Like, even fucking Shane thinks you're crazy for what you're saying.
00:47:39
Speaker
And at one point, he was like, I'm not usually a fan of Nicola Shay, because I just think he's a bit scurty.
00:47:45
Speaker
But he put Shayk in his place, and I loved it.
00:47:47
Speaker
Like, because at one point, Shayk was like, during the reunion, the only woman I'm attracted to in this room is, like, Vanessa.
00:47:54
Speaker
And he looked like he wanted to kill him.
00:47:57
Speaker
Yeah, imagine the audacity of hitting on, like,
00:47:59
Speaker
Nick Lachey's wife.
00:48:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:01
Speaker
And then being like, everybody else here is not attractive to me.
00:48:04
Speaker
Like he didn't even have to say that, but he says stuff.
00:48:06
Speaker
He says stuff.
00:48:07
Speaker
He doesn't have to say like, he's such a clueless douchebag.
00:48:11
Speaker
Like what was the point in saying that?
00:48:13
Speaker
That's just so stupid.
00:48:16
Speaker
And then he was like, and then Shake was like, oh, no, we're animals.
00:48:19
Speaker
And then Nick was like, no, we're humans.
00:48:22
Speaker
Like, it's no wonder you treat people the way you do when you see them as animals.
00:48:26
Speaker
I was like, yes, Nick.
00:48:27
Speaker
Yeah, if I had to peg anybody as a narcissist, it would be him because he's so goddamn clueless.
00:48:32
Speaker
Definitely, yeah.
00:48:33
Speaker
But I also think it's like culturally induced narcissism where he feels like if I just act like a tool bag and neg women all day, then I'll look cool in comparison.
00:48:41
Speaker
And like he got roasted so bad by everybody in the panel that by the end of it, he actually had to admit, like, I guess I have to work on myself.
00:48:47
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, bitch, like a lot of work on yourself.
00:48:50
Speaker
No shit.
00:48:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:51
Speaker
And Deep T was like, it's not that you weren't attracted to me.
00:48:54
Speaker
It was just the way that he went about going out of his way to embarrass and insult her.
00:48:58
Speaker
I completely agree.
00:48:59
Speaker
I completely agree.
00:49:00
Speaker
And I really like the way Deep T's siblings defended her and had her back on Instagram.
00:49:06
Speaker
They're like, stay
00:49:06
Speaker
the fuck away from my sister and all that jazz.
00:49:09
Speaker
I was like, yeah, she's really winning in life because she's right.
00:49:11
Speaker
Like, it's fine to not be attracted to people.
00:49:14
Speaker
That wasn't my issue with Sheik.
00:49:15
Speaker
It's just how he went about it and how he was justifying his shitty behaviour.
00:49:21
Speaker
Like, you didn't have to propose to her.
00:49:23
Speaker
Like, you didn't have to, but then you propose to her and then just start making nasty, you know, nasty comments behind her back.
00:49:29
Speaker
Especially when it's like, but you're clearly not Henry Cavill yourself, body-wise.
00:49:34
Speaker
You're clearly not.
00:49:35
Speaker
Yes!
00:49:36
Speaker
What killed me was, like, when he was in the pool, he has loose skin.
00:49:39
Speaker
He clearly used to be a chubby dude.
00:49:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:42
Speaker
He's got... He's chubby, too.
00:49:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:44
Speaker
Yeah, he was fat himself.
00:49:46
Speaker
And I've often... And this is something I've found with men, especially.
00:49:49
Speaker
Like, they... Especially overweight men, they have a huge, huge problem with overweight women.
00:49:56
Speaker
So... Yeah.
00:49:57
Speaker
In his mind, it's fine.
00:49:58
Speaker
He was once overweight.
00:50:00
Speaker
His loose skin is fine.
00:50:01
Speaker
But when he sees deep teeth, it's like, oh, yeah, she was once...
00:50:04
Speaker
And I, you know, honestly believe he held the fact that she was previously overweight against her.
00:50:11
Speaker
And he hated that about her, even though he was overweight himself.
00:50:14
Speaker
And mad that she's a brown woman, even though he's a brown man.
00:50:17
Speaker
Like, it's kind of ridiculous.
00:50:18
Speaker
Exactly.
00:50:19
Speaker
I think it's just internalized hatred on his part.
00:50:22
Speaker
Like, he feels inferior, so he has to project that onto her to make her feel inferior as well.
00:50:29
Speaker
He hates the fact he used to be overweight.
00:50:31
Speaker
He hates his loose skin.
00:50:32
Speaker
He seems to hate his own skin color.
00:50:34
Speaker
So he's just projecting that onto her.
00:50:36
Speaker
Like, he hates the things about her that also apply to him because he hates himself.
00:50:41
Speaker
Exactly.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:50:42
Speaker
And that's the deal with a lot of these, like, colorist guys that, you know, first of all, talk about all of their girlfriends, like, porn categories.
00:50:49
Speaker
I maintain that he's a porn six-grote, and that's part of his problem.
00:50:52
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:50:53
Speaker
You know, his attraction is based on a very narrow criteria that he does because he's probably just constantly masturbating online pretending he's getting attention from women.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:04
Speaker
He just shakes me as like delusional.
00:51:05
Speaker
Like there's just no way he gets all the women that he tries to pretend like he has access to.
00:51:10
Speaker
Like there's just.
00:51:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:12
Speaker
No way.
00:51:14
Speaker
So he's like just, yeah, biologically delusional.
00:51:16
Speaker
It's almost hard to even just like rose shake because.
00:51:19
Speaker
there's just everything about him is just so fucked up he's just not as handsome as he thinks he is he's like he's he's chunky while dragging women for being chunky he's mad he's like mad at deep teeth for being brown in her culture a culture that he shares that he's embarrassed of like it's just imagine being that self-hating but that narcissistic at the same time it's just like yeah it's hard to understand for me but yeah it's like where do you even go from there
00:51:51
Speaker
Um, but yeah.
00:51:52
Speaker
So there's like a lot of unresolved, you know, things in the air about how these couples are turned out.
00:51:56
Speaker
I hope they do another like one year later or two years later thing like they did with season one where we get to see where the couples are at, um, after the fact, because, you know, obviously we have suspicions like about Jared and Ayanna.
00:52:07
Speaker
I think they'll still be together, but I feel like Ayanna might be way disillusioned.
00:52:12
Speaker
With the reality of being married to Jared.
00:52:14
Speaker
I think Nick and Danielle have a chance to make it.
00:52:17
Speaker
They are, you know, they're in counseling and they're, and they seem to actually genuinely enjoy each other's company and be working on it.
00:52:22
Speaker
But, um, the other three should have never been together.
00:52:25
Speaker
The two that did get together, I really only believe one should, should stay together.
00:52:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:32
Speaker
But we'll see what happens.
00:52:37
Speaker
So I think part of the format this year too, if the T is to believe and why some of the drama was drumming is because they said that this year they only gave them like 15 minute convos in the pod.
00:52:50
Speaker
And then whoever actually signed up to get married first got to go on the Mexico trip, which puts them under a time crunch rather than like the most quality couples got to be followed.
00:52:59
Speaker
So there's two other couples that...
00:53:01
Speaker
got engaged in the pods but didn't make it to TV.
00:53:04
Speaker
So some of the TV formatting was for maximum drama.
00:53:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:08
Speaker
Actually, I want to take a second before we wrap up.
00:53:11
Speaker
I want to just say, I actually really like Deep T's mom.
00:53:15
Speaker
Just because she said she had a line as soon as her first moment was, she's like, oh, Deep T, you know, you're always against arranged marriage.
00:53:25
Speaker
But then you do the whole love is blind thing, which is a similar vibe.
00:53:29
Speaker
I had to like pause that and laugh for a solid minute just because the way she said, like, it's a similar vibe.
00:53:34
Speaker
Yeah, the parents were like, that's exactly how I talk.
00:53:38
Speaker
I think everyone's parents except for like Danielle's were like the low key heroes of this experiment because they they had their head screwed on straight for the most part.
00:53:49
Speaker
Natalie's mom and Nick's parents.
00:53:50
Speaker
Honestly, I didn't like Nick's mom or sisters either.
00:53:53
Speaker
They were weird.
00:53:53
Speaker
Yeah, Nick's mom seems a little mean, so I kind of feel like maybe they have similar wounds, which is maybe why... Similarly shitty parents.
00:54:00
Speaker
Yeah, which is probably why they have the same kind of insecurities and maybe get along.
00:54:05
Speaker
But like Natalie's mom, I couldn't read her face, but she looked completely over whatever is about to go down on the altar.
00:54:13
Speaker
Like I can't even describe her face.
00:54:15
Speaker
It was like both rage and confusion.
00:54:17
Speaker
So, yeah, she I think she was really, really hoping they wouldn't get married or maybe Natalie told her something behind the scenes that had her just pissed off to the teeth.
00:54:25
Speaker
But Natalie did see and say in an interview after the fact that her her mom and Shane's mom were friends.
00:54:32
Speaker
So I don't know if she was like disliking Shane's mom or if it was like she was just frustrated by the whole situation.
00:54:37
Speaker
But if we had if we had to rank the people's parents like.
00:54:42
Speaker
Deepti's parents, 10 out of 10.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:45
Speaker
And then Natalie's dad was really sweet at the wedding where he said, like, you know, you're my greatest achievement.
00:54:51
Speaker
And I think part of when you see how Natalie's dad is very sweet with her, you know, she even made the comment, like, you know, when I see, you know, being around my dad, how comfortable I feel and how relaxed I feel, I don't feel that around Shane.
00:55:02
Speaker
And so that's another reason why she decided to say Nora.
00:55:06
Speaker
Yeah, Shane sets off my fucking fight or flight reflex, honestly.
Final Thoughts and Humorous Wrap-up
00:55:12
Speaker
Yeah, he should.
00:55:13
Speaker
He's an emotionally explosive drug addict.
00:55:16
Speaker
There's no way you can be in a relationship with someone who's actively using.
00:55:20
Speaker
He's too volatile.
00:55:21
Speaker
They're unstable.
00:55:21
Speaker
Yeah, he's unstable.
00:55:23
Speaker
Like I said, no one really mentioned that elephant in the room, but he just looked, just the way he talks and the way he moves, it's just, dude is whack.
00:55:34
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was so weird how everyone's just acting like he's normal.
00:55:37
Speaker
And I'm like, does no one else see what I'm seeing?
00:55:39
Speaker
He acts like he's fucking high.
00:55:42
Speaker
Am I crazy?
00:55:43
Speaker
Is no one else seeing this?
00:55:44
Speaker
I think they know, but again, they're not going to say anything on TV.
00:55:48
Speaker
They're going to cut that out of the show.
00:55:49
Speaker
Yeah, or I think also the people around him probably didn't want to...
00:55:54
Speaker
I don't know.
00:55:54
Speaker
It's hard to be around a person who's actively using because you just want to say something, but then you almost can't.
00:55:59
Speaker
Yeah, because you don't want to get fucking, I don't know, get your face ripped off or whatever.
00:56:05
Speaker
The weird thing about drug addicts is they're both bombastic and extremely fragile at the same time.
00:56:10
Speaker
So if you've been around them, it's like you know that anything you say could send them spiraling.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yeah, true.
00:56:17
Speaker
You end up walking on egg shows about him because you feel bad.
00:56:19
Speaker
Like, I don't want you to, you know, start to do that.
00:56:22
Speaker
I don't want you to blow up in my face.
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:24
Speaker
So, yeah, the parents are like the low-key heroes.
00:56:26
Speaker
So I loved, like, getting a perspective on everybody in the show based on how their parents were.
00:56:31
Speaker
Like, Natalie's mom was like a boss bitch, right?
00:56:34
Speaker
She was like, what are you doing?
00:56:35
Speaker
You know, she was very, she was a little bit...
00:56:38
Speaker
She ultimately supported Natalie in her choices, which I think is a really important trait.
00:56:42
Speaker
But, you know, she could tell she wasn't really all in at first.
00:56:45
Speaker
But she also was like, okay.
00:56:47
Speaker
She showed the ring and she slapped her head.
00:56:48
Speaker
She's like, don't show me that.
00:56:50
Speaker
But she leaned into it and tried to help her.
00:56:52
Speaker
She's like, you know, ultimately it's your life and we're going to trust you to make your own good decisions, et cetera.
00:56:56
Speaker
And I think that was really, really good, like having that vote of confidence.
00:56:59
Speaker
And then, you know, it gave Natalie, you know, an out too with her dad supporting her.
00:57:03
Speaker
She felt comfortable just leaving Shane at the altar and it wasn't a, you know, weird, uncomfortable thing.
00:57:08
Speaker
We saw Sal's family when Sal walked away from the altar.
00:57:11
Speaker
His sisters and his brother were there and they were all super supportive.
00:57:14
Speaker
They're like, yeah, it wasn't right.
00:57:15
Speaker
You made the right decision.
00:57:15
Speaker
He was crying.
00:57:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:18
Speaker
See, that's my type.
00:57:19
Speaker
I like guys who are sensitive and cry like that.
00:57:22
Speaker
See, that's the thing.
00:57:23
Speaker
I'm a little bit like Natalie.
00:57:25
Speaker
So, to be honest, maybe that's why I kind of like her.
00:57:29
Speaker
But, yeah, no, I like, I would want to be, I like guys like Sal who are more kind of sensitive and I can be relaxed around, you know?
00:57:37
Speaker
But maybe he's a scrote.
00:57:38
Speaker
I don't know.
00:57:38
Speaker
You never know.
00:57:39
Speaker
But it's all TV, so.
00:57:40
Speaker
I mean, I don't know.
00:57:41
Speaker
It's just like, so we don't know that situation, but like I said, it definitely soured my opinion of him.
00:57:45
Speaker
And I think, uh, soured Mal's opinion of him as well.
00:57:49
Speaker
And I'm like, yeah, like now they both have really big trust issues because he has some mystery woman that's showing up at the house, making a scene and she's clearly flirting with Jarrett and not all that into the relationship.
00:57:58
Speaker
So there's just no way if they were keeping it real.
00:58:01
Speaker
And I don't think they were, I don't think he was, she was into him.
00:58:03
Speaker
I think her first instinct is right that she just wasn't.
00:58:07
Speaker
you know, attracted to him for whatever.
00:58:08
Speaker
Wasn't attracted to him.
00:58:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:10
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:58:10
Speaker
So yeah, the, the families were the, for the VIPs and you can just see the difference between the, the way the toxic, you can see, you can just see the root of people's issues, issues, right?
00:58:19
Speaker
Like the toxic parents.
00:58:20
Speaker
Based on their parents.
00:58:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:22
Speaker
The only people I'm a little bit surprised at is, um, Shake's parents seem really nice.
00:58:25
Speaker
And the fact that like Shake's mom straight up was on deep tea.
00:58:29
Speaker
She said she was on deep tea side.
00:58:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:31
Speaker
In the whole department, she basically was like, listen, she deserves someone who's going to love her fully, etc.
00:58:37
Speaker
She's like, you're making me take Deep T's side.
00:58:39
Speaker
And she says that explicitly, like, that she thinks her son's a fucking screw.
00:58:42
Speaker
I don't know, I think the reason...
00:58:45
Speaker
I mean, there are certain families where they just treat their son like a little prince.
00:58:49
Speaker
And that's what I mean about like the male narcissism is culturally trained.
00:58:53
Speaker
That's the impression that I got.
00:58:55
Speaker
Like that maybe the maybe like, yeah, in this specific scenario, they took shakes or they took deep tea side.
00:59:01
Speaker
But I feel like in every other interaction, they'd probably be like, oh, my precious little son, he can do no wrong kind of thing.
00:59:07
Speaker
I don't know.
00:59:07
Speaker
Like...
00:59:08
Speaker
As a person who's been around a lot of first-gen people myself, I think some of it is like when your parents aren't like immersed in the culture you grew up around.
00:59:15
Speaker
Like obviously he grew up around white people that likely he just started to tune them out from an early age.
00:59:20
Speaker
Maybe.
00:59:21
Speaker
And think like, oh, they're old fashioned.
00:59:22
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They don't know what they're talking about.
00:59:24
Speaker
They're not cool.
00:59:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:25
Speaker
They're not cool.
00:59:26
Speaker
Exactly.
00:59:26
Speaker
So I don't know that they're necessarily building up.
00:59:28
Speaker
It's that so much as he tried to find an identity there, he could be like a cool guy.
00:59:34
Speaker
outside of his parents because he was ashamed of his culture maybe i don't know it's hard for me to tell from the small interaction but based on the small interaction like they weren't blowing neither of his parents were blowing smoke up his ass both of his parents seemed like they were trying to hold him accountable but like shake just seemed kind of dismissive of them which makes me feel like he has deep internalized shame about his culture yeah and therefore it was just trying to reject everything they're saying and then you know be the cool guy just like internalized racism yeah
01:00:01
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Yeah, that's what it came across to me.
01:00:03
Speaker
Because he's definitely not embracing his Indian heritage such that you could say, like, oh, he's adopting, like, Indian cultural traits about how men are supposed to act.
01:00:12
Speaker
It seemed like he's explicitly constantly rejecting it and trying to be, like, a white American dude bro.
01:00:17
Speaker
That's just badly.
01:00:18
Speaker
Like, cosplaying as a white American.
01:00:19
Speaker
But, like, a facsimile of a white American dude bro.
01:00:25
Speaker
Like, you know, like, how there's, like... A poor imitation.
01:00:28
Speaker
It's like imitation crab that's like made out of like fish or something.
01:00:31
Speaker
It's like, yeah, like imitation white guy.
01:00:33
Speaker
When you see his friends, they're all like that.
01:00:35
Speaker
That's why like they're all dude bros.
01:00:38
Speaker
Like he has like his group of friends.
01:00:40
Speaker
I think they're mostly white.
01:00:42
Speaker
And then like one guy who looked maybe East Asian.
01:00:44
Speaker
So and they were all like, dude, like, are you sure you want to go through like a bunch of porn sick people?
01:00:52
Speaker
just losers and like the kind that think they're cool but are just massive like one guy had wraparound shades and spiky hair in 2022 like how do you have wraparound shades and like a hair spikes in 2022 ew that's like so 2006 ew like i know so that's like the mental age and maturity of his friend group wraparound shade 2006 wraparound shades and spiked hair yeah
01:01:16
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That's where they stopped maturing.
01:01:18
Speaker
That's clearly where they were.
01:01:19
Speaker
So like, it's the kind of guys that would have been like watching jackass and like trying to emulate it in their backyard.
01:01:25
Speaker
That's the kinds of guys that'd be watching jackass.
01:01:30
Speaker
That's exactly how they are.
01:01:33
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:33
Speaker
That's so true.
01:01:35
Speaker
That's Jake's friend group.
01:01:36
Speaker
So yeah.
01:01:38
Speaker
Fuck Jake.
01:01:39
Speaker
Fuck his creepy ass 2006 throwback friends.
01:01:44
Speaker
I hope his vet practice never takes off.
01:01:48
Speaker
Because I'm like, how are you going to be a puppy doctor and everyone hates you?
01:01:50
Speaker
Because that's the other thing.
01:01:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:53
Speaker
How can you be a puppy doctor and be so fucking unlikable?
01:01:57
Speaker
Like, geez, it's just beyond imagining to me.
01:02:00
Speaker
I don't know.
01:02:01
Speaker
It's gross.
01:02:02
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:02
Speaker
It's going to be really interesting to see how his career is after that.
01:02:05
Speaker
I'm like, I wouldn't take my dog to him.
01:02:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:10
Speaker
No way.
01:02:10
Speaker
No, I wouldn't.
01:02:11
Speaker
I feel like I'm a clone.
01:02:12
Speaker
So probably like screw up their surgery and then try to like gaslight you about it and be like, oh, I don't know what happened.
01:02:18
Speaker
Your dog must have just been a problem, you know?
01:02:20
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:21
Speaker
He's just, I don't know.
01:02:22
Speaker
He's a screw.
01:02:23
Speaker
He's not the type of person I would trust with any type of caring or nurturing role.
01:02:28
Speaker
True.
01:02:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:30
Speaker
True, true, true.
01:02:31
Speaker
So that's our show.
01:02:33
Speaker
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01:02:42
Speaker
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01:02:47
Speaker
Thanks for listening, queens.
01:02:48
Speaker
And for all you 2006 throwback wannabe American dude broads, your wraparound shades look stupid.
01:02:54
Speaker
Die mad.
01:02:55
Speaker
Yeah.