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Speaker: I have a very, very simple formula for working with trauma and you'll recognize it in easy listening. You'll recognize it in any experience that you've ever had that was healing, whether it was with a practitioner or whether it was you and your dog on a walk.
Speaker: The three components are being in touch with the wound or the pain or the information
Speaker: being in touch with it in a kind way. So giving it kind attention, loving attention, friendly attention. If you can't muster any of that, acceptance. Letting it be there without adding pain.
Speaker: Welcome to Grief, Gratitude, and the Gray-In-Between podcast. I'm your host, Kendra Rinaldi. This is a space to explore the full spectrum of grief, from the kind that comes with death to the kind that shows up in life's many transitions.
Speaker: Through stories and conversations, we remind each other that we're not alone. Your journey matters, and here we're figuring it out together. Let's dive right in to today's episode.
Speaker: Let's start with a quick disclaimer. This podcast includes personal stories and perspectives on topics like grief, health, and mental wellness. The views expressed by guests are their own and may reflect individual experiences that are not meant as medical advice.
Speaker: As the host, I hold space for diverse voices, but that does not mean I endorse every viewpoint shared. Please listen with care and take what resonates with you.
Speaker: Welcome. Today i am chatting with Lillian Eve Moore. She is a trauma specialist, educator, and entrepreneur whose work is rooted in fierce compassion and crystal clear insight. She walks alongside people who are ready not just to heal, but to rise, helping them move from patterns of self-sabotage into grounded creative work.
Speaker: Welcome, Lillian. Thank you, Kendra. Thanks for having me Thank you for coming on the space and sharing your story. And trauma is a big one. when it comes to grief, because a lot of times some of the grief that we experience is associated with a trauma that we've been through. So this will be a very interesting conversation for our listeners to dive into. I want to get to learn about you. So share with us a bit about your upbringing and also where you are now.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, I had a very dynamic upbringing. i had a lot of, I would say, spiritual resource. I grew up and practicing alongside different Native American traditions.
Speaker: and My family is Christian, so we had we read from the Bible. I also had a neighbor that was ah a Hindu temple. so I had a lot of spiritual resource, and i I grew up running around barefoot in in Texas. So um that was sort of the context, but also my biological mom is schizophrenic and and my stepmom had a life changing injury when I was nine years old. So I had a lot of trauma, spent a lot of time in both psychotherapy and and psychiatry and ah as a very young kid.
Speaker: So those two worlds combined created a kind of ecosystem and need to just love the psyche and also be somewhat dissatisfied with some of the solutions that are mainstream?
Speaker: That are out there. It's, it's, It's interesting because a lot of times, and I think a lot of the guests that I have that now do work that have to do either with trauma or with grief, like in my case, we've had our own experiences and it's because of these life-changing experiences that then our life really does change. And then we have something then to give forward you know to you know to others based on our own learning. So in your own life, a lot of that.
Speaker: happened. when did it When did your interest for all this like completely like shift and like this is where I'm going to go into learning more? like Was it in your teenage years or already in your college years?
Speaker: No, younger. i mean i was i was doing i got my my first atonement when I was nine or eight. and i was I would rescue animals out of the pool and do Reiki on them.
Speaker: I mean, one of the first books that I really remember ah as a kid was Reviving Ophelia, which is ah it's a book written for psychotherapists about teenage girls.
Speaker: So you so with the psychotherapy, Reiki, all these two worlds combined somatically. So how do you combine these two into your practice?
Speaker: Well, a lot of the older religions, are psychological. they you If you study um Tantra, for example, you study yoga, it's it's largely about disciplining the mind and and allowing emotions to move.
Speaker: So the principles, and the same thing is true in a lot of the Native American practices, where it's it's it's about, a lot of these spiritual practices are really about mental and emotional health.
Speaker: and and devotion to having a good life, not just to a God, but devotion to life itself. So they're not, they're not, it's not so much a, it wasn't a leap,
Speaker: yeah it's not separate. A lot of times we tend to think that it's so different, but a lot of times really science and spirituality can be very much intertwined because there is a lot of science within it too, right? Like there's, yeah, there's something can be intertwined.
Speaker: Yeah. And I think also when you're thinking about psychotherapic sort of psychotherapeutic practices, there's ideas and then there's There's that the touch it, taste it, feel it, experience it aspect of the psyche, which we all live inside of.
Speaker: And again, i'm I'm very modality agnostic, and I'm much more interested in what is it what is the experience of being human like? And a lot of these practices, a lot of these spiritual practices, they're they're based in how do we work directly with the psyche. They're not theoretical. They're very practical.
Speaker: And there's some is there some more modern psychotherapeutic practices that that have that as well. um But a lot of it is a little bit more removed.
Speaker: it's It's removed from the lived experience of being human.
Speaker: So share with us some of these practices and some of these tips that can help somebody if by chance they've experienced trauma and grief at the same time. Like if the person that if somebody died, for example, in a traumatic way, my sister died in a car accident. So for example, that's a trauma type of grief or sudden, right? So the body is assimilating it a little different because it didn't have any preparation. How are some, what are some of the practices or messy ways that you can help with somebody like that?
Speaker: So first of all, it's helpful to organize because one of the reasons why we experience trauma is because it's too much too fast. you can think about trauma as information. It's information for life. Like death is a part of life. Pain is a part of life.
Speaker: So in order to address something that has happened or that's living in our system in a way that doesn't just re-traumatize us, we want to create organization first. So in talking about grief, I always think about grief as two components at minimum.
Speaker: One is what I call the portal of grief, which is it's that's a beautiful thing that puts us in contact with the eternal. that That's our recognition of impermanence.
Speaker: And a lot of times in the portal of grief, when we experience the transient nature of existence, our heart opens and we get to places of unanswerable questions. We experience expansion. We experience steps of love.
Speaker: And that's not to say it's not painful. In fact, portal grief can be really, really, really brutally painful. But nothing there's nothing out of out of harmony with that. And it is it is a kind of an initiation. And I think anybody who's gone through grief and has gotten all the way to the other side of it, a lot of these things that are really annoying to hear when it first happens, like, oh, they'll always be with you, or you know that pain is just love. Those things are so horrible to hear at the funeral.
Speaker: at the funeral But five years later, you know that it's true if you do if you are able to heal. One of the things that I think keeps people from going through the portal of grief is the trauma. So they're really separate things.
Speaker: And the trauma is where we feel like we have undigested information about our relationship with the person, about the person, about how they passed.
Speaker: It can be a lot of times people, you know especially with parents, experience or experience a lot of their childhood trauma when a parent passes. Because it's sort of like whatever you were imagining was in the relational liminal space, it's now all on you.
Speaker: And it always was, actually. But the way that we can come compartmentalize and say, like oh, that's about the relationship. And it it lands on us.
Speaker: So that's the first thing, is just recognizing that There's nothing wrong with grief. And grief isn't even, I wouldn't even consider grief something to heal. Grief is good. Grief is like growing pains. grief is Grief is good.
Speaker: um So that's the first thing is just know that. Know that there's nothing wrong with feeling grief and and that portal can last. It can last days and it can last years. And there's value to value to fast in terms of moving through the grief portal because it's a place of resource, the place of connecting with God if you are connecting with higher power or whatever, connecting with the person that you lost, connecting with yourself.
Speaker: So trauma, separate issue. I have a very, very simple formula for working with trauma and you'll recognize it in any of you listening. You'll recognize it in any experience that you've ever had that was healing.
Speaker: whether it was with a practitioner or whether it was you and your dog on a walk. The three components are being in touch with the wound or the pain or the information,
Speaker: being in touch with it in a kind way. So giving it kind attention, loving attention, friendly attention. If you can't muster any of that, acceptance. Letting it be there without adding pain.
Speaker: And then the third component is we need to make it meaningful to the body. So that means we need to feel the wound in the body. and you have that in contact feeling. You're like, oh, there it is.
Speaker: That the kindness or the acceptances in the body, that means like we actually relax. We actually feel what it feels like ah to create space around it. And then you utilize the body's natural metabolism to process. So going for a walk, yoga asana, taking deep breaths.
Speaker: um Any Qigong practices like the padding. and EFT is one of my favorite ones where you tap on meridian points. and mdr great one, where you simulate eye rapid eye movement.
Speaker: and And so like experiencing them, they play with posture, holding and releasing. So all of these practices, simple as even petting your dog is a physical practice that actually creates ph physicalys physiological and retraining.
Speaker: There's a lot. It's a lot. And as you're saying this, I am petting my dog this moment as you're talking. Yeah. yeah It is, yeah these senses, we you we can utilize them all in a way that can support our healing. And each of us has sometimes some senses that tend to be, that we gravitate towards, like if it's auditory or you know or touch or whichever one it is, if it's and
Speaker: If it's auditory, then you might want to go listen to music and go listen to little birds chirping, you know, whatever it may be, right? So I completely agree. I love the way that you describe this portal of grief, and I can relate to it so much of this...
Speaker: this beauty that comes from being in it. And like you said, there is nothing wrong with grief. We tend to put it as if it's an, we tend to categorize emotions as if they're good or bad.
Speaker: And there's, they're just, they're emotions, they're right. It's part of our human and grief is it's part of part of that. So i love that.
Speaker: So what do most of your clients come to you with? are the arts Because sometimes traumas that we may have, some are very obvious, right?
Speaker: Sometimes traumas can be the way that our childlike mind perceived ah a situation and how it we you know kind of went into our brain and how it saved it there as a trauma and somebody else viewing it or as an adult viewing it, you may not see it as that Can you talk a little bit about that, about how our how our brain may store information and feelings received?
Speaker: Yes. So I have two things to say about this that are a little bit contradictory, and they always land a little differently depending on where a person is with their trauma. I say that the past is fiction.
Speaker: That there's really, like if it's not happening now, if you're experiencing it, it's happening in your mind.
Speaker: period. And there's no exception to that. doesn't matter if you just came home from war or if it was emotional twistiness that happened in your childhood that who knows if anyone else would have noticed even if they'd been in the room.
Speaker: It doesn't matter how physical it was, how obvious it was. What you experience in your own mind is real because it's real to your body. So it's unreal and it's real.
Speaker: It's fiction. It's ah it it it And what this freezes up to understand is that it doesn't actually matter what really happened. Because it's happening in your mind.
Speaker: And a lot of times people will be unsure or feel very, and like, did it happen? They'll maybe trip up on... you know We gaslight ourselves. We gaslight ourselves in our own way. Yeah. Yeah. We doubt it.
Speaker: And the way I approach that is that sometimes the psyche will conjure a story to explain an emotion, but the emotion is real. So it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter if the story is real or if it's conjured.
Speaker: It doesn't matter what happened because your emotional experience is real and you want to deal with it as if it's real. Period. Now, that doesn't mean you want to deal with it in your relationships as if it's real.
Speaker: Because again, a lot of times, you know, we carry forward these stories that if somebody else was to tell the story, they might tell a really different story. And we want to have respect for people having very different experiences oh of what happened, especially if we were children and you know, our imaginations do so much creating And I've had so many experiences. I'll tell one story of this idea that I had of my parents getting married. So my stepmom and my dad getting married.
Speaker: In my entire childhood, this story was told about what a brat I was during that day. i was three and a half. And my entire life, I've been told this story.
Speaker: And i always heard that story and felt like, Like, screw you. Like, how dare you? That was such a, what a moment that was for me.
Speaker: And to tell the story in that way. And then I had it in my mind that nobody was caring for my my feelings during that time. And it fit into a story I had about my childhood.
Speaker: I was doing this work with myself. And this this image flashed in my mind of the photos from the wedding day. And I'm being held by my dad. And I had this realize realization. On his wedding day, there is not a single photo of him without me in his arms.
Speaker: Not a single, right? Right? it's
Speaker: Like I could torment myself with that. I'm like, we're both crying, by the way, people. if You're not seeing us right now because you're just hearing the podcast.
Speaker: Oh, so sweet and So it's like that the the the themes that I felt about my story with my dad, they're not they're not totally made up. There were things, but where I got it from and what I did with it.
Speaker: So the beauty of this is that a lot of the stories that we tell about our lives can be rewritten and it's and it's not any more fiction than whatever the horror story that we were telling was. And again, this is one of the more amorphous ones. And I do work with people who've been you know, all kinds of horror stories, really, truly.
Speaker: And I would say that the same things apply. Any story can be rewritten because if it's alive now, it's alive in your body and nowhere else.
Speaker: And what you, what you're saying, I know you said it's like some are really like big traumas, but in our brain, that trauma is still a trauma like what you thinking that you were being neglected on that wedding day, which however was that you were feeling and your emotions not being validated maybe of this experience of your parents, because this is your stepmom who raised you right, having to, ah you know, I don't know, whatever it was on that day is just as valid as somebody or a different version of yourself living something else that was even...
Speaker: let's say more traumatic, but it's like comparing griefs, right? When we put it ourselves into this grief comparison, is like, oh, well, ah I don't know, like maybe it's like, oh, it was your dog that died. Well, mine was my parent. Well, that doesn't matter. Like the lived experience of that person and what it feels to lose, you know, that being in your life is just as valid as somebody else's. The same with,
Speaker: trauma So to put them into categories, even in our own mind, sometimes doesn't give them space to be yeah and validating those, right? In order to be able to heal them or address them and see them as what they are, right?
Speaker: I will say that there it is it can be helpful to differentiate between different kinds. There's different struggles that come from different things like yeah emotional, um emotion I call it twistiness. It's like when you're when you feel like you just kind of got messed with.
Speaker: That can create a lot of internal insecurity and confusion and where you don't trust your own thoughts. And especially when it happens when you're really young. When it's physical, it can be really stored in the body.
Speaker: So it can be hard to access psychologically and yet you you have movie you more physical restrict yeah physical responses. So it's not that your individual experience and the nuance of it, it's all the same. It's not.
Speaker: But it's not the orders of magnitude don't matter as much as really meeting and understanding what is happening in your body present day. That's really the whole point. So we we investigate the past to better understand what's happening present day. yes Otherwise, the past doesn't really matter so much. and Like I said, it can be rewritten.
Speaker: Yes, I love that.
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Speaker: Now we're talking about present. Now let's talk about future. and ne where As we're recording this, it's and it will air a few months down the line probably, but it's the early of the new year and this is when people start making these manifestations and kind of visualizing their future.
Speaker: Now... How does something with trauma, like how does that, like does manifesting have weight with somebody that is still navigating something their lives? love this question. I love this question so much because I feel like people who've experienced trauma are so left out of the manifestation conversation.
Speaker: I feel like whenever I listen to like law attraction stuff with Abraham Hicks, for example, and a lot of times it's channeled work and I'm like, yeah, get in get a nervous system and say that to me. Just think positive, right? Come down here and you live on planet Earth and think positive. Right, when your brain is all over the place. yeah Yeah, so I really appreciate um yeah i appreciate you you opening up the space to talk about it.
Speaker: I was thinking about it when you were asking me to first tell my story about like when was I first interested and how how could it be accidental that at eight years old, I'm reading the Bible, at 12 years old, i'm reading I'm reading psychological literature, and that I have this perfect confluence of influences. both the traumatic ones and the supportive ones, I just don't think anything goes wrong, period.
Speaker: And i'm I'm telling you this is somebody, again, I've worked with veterans, I work with sexual assault survivors, I work with people who literally the the worst stories that happen on planet Earth, I hear them, and I just don't believe anything goes wrong, period.
Speaker: Hopefully that's a comforting thought thought. I know sometimes when you're in grief hearing things like that, you're like, ugh, Shut up when people try and put a positive spin on it. But I've just seen too many stories like mine where it's almost, it's more like curriculum. It's like, it's, it's like hero's journey that the things that we experience, they mold us into people that we want to become.
Speaker: It's not on accident. And so when we're thinking about law of attraction, we're thinking about manifestation, we're thinking about setting goals. To me, that is always actually an identity question.
Speaker: It's not about who do I, what do I want to have? It's always about who do I want to be and what would that person have or what could I have that would help me be that person? But it's always that we have an idea, an aspirational idea of who it is that we want to be.
Speaker: So for somebody who's experienced trauma, what I would recommend that you start practicing is start seeing if you can inch your way towards thinking about that person. Because that person is just as real as the person that you could say you are because of your trauma.
Speaker: Say that it it's not a, it's it's you're not having to force anything really. It's already in you. And even the reason why we feel pain is because we have a relationship with something that's not pain. Right.
Speaker: It's the contrast that makes us feel it. So for example, I notice that a lot of times when people are in grief or they're processing trauma, you get very backwards focused. You get very pain focused. And that's not a character flaw, that's biology. That if there's a tiger in the room, we look at the tiger, even if there's also berries in the room.
Speaker: That's just a biological function. So if we can have a victory of human spirit over our instincts and start to tear our eyes away from the tiger,
Speaker: and start looking for berries. We do multiple things. We we actually change our our orientation so that we have we start being observant of what's good, which will help us to feel better, which will help us see what's good and then act on what's good, be more opportunity aware, and things start improving really rapidly from that.
Speaker: Also, having good hormones in your system will help you heal. So if you can look at a berry, it actually will help you deal with the tiger and vice versa. So in the story with ah that I was talking about with my dad, healing my relationship with my dad, at that time, I was sleeping in a tent next to my best friend in the entire universe.
Speaker: And I was on a two-week vacation. rock climbing trip, I was in the epitome of berries. Like life was very, very, very good in that moment. So I had a lot of support to move through that, to heal that.
Speaker: So that context supported me. And then that shift, when the shift happened, I became aware of a different reality. And from that reality, I could actually be something different.
Speaker: Who am I if I have always had a dad who loved me, which I did, who always prioritized me, which I did. Who am I? What kind of resources do I have? Versus being a person who is always overcoming not having that.
Speaker: So there's two components. It's like one, what good can you give yourself now? What good could you be willing to pay attention to? Good in yourself, good in God, good in the earth, good in in your community, good in the flowers in the field, whatever you can get. I like the color of my paint on my walls.
Speaker: Anything you can get. Is this the treasure hunting framework? Is this the treasure hunting framework that you'd work on? You're finding these treasures. I actually consider the pain the treasure, not just the good things. It's all treasure. Okay.
Speaker: And then you you you fill yourself up with that, and then you meet your pain with that. So when we're talking about meeting the pain with kindness, so that's that's the first piece is that we we need to conjure goodness in order to meet the pain.
Speaker: So we have medicine to offer the pain. Then when the pain subsides, when when we find a moment of relief, recognize it and run with it Don't just go look for the next one.
Speaker: There's other memories I have with my dad. There's other memories I have with my stepmom. For sure. But if I don't give myself a moment to actually re-receive the relief that I feel, then i don't have I don't have a possibility of creating something new with it.
Speaker: So I can do a lot with this. with this identity of having been important, been invested in, been cherished, been paid attention to. I can fill myself up with that and that will support the identity of the person who I want to be, who has the things that I want to have, who's experiencing the life that I want to experience.
Speaker: its exactly Yes, yes, there's evidence because the moment you find also evidence of that in your brain, then you're telling your brain, look, you are like you're you're you're just finding that little file cabinet in your brain to then pull it out and say, hey, listen.
Speaker: you've been doing this file cabinet for way too long. We're going to go into this file. I like to visualize that. We're going to go into this file cabinet because listen, you've done it. You've been this, you've, you know, that, that kind of ah experience. I think of that with, even with resilience of the human spirit in general, like we sometimes think we have not,
Speaker: gone gone through something horrible and come to through the through right to the other side for air yet if we look back in our timeline we have it just doesn't look exactly the same but we have in the moment we find that we can show our brain basically like listen yeah we we can do it we can do hard things and and that gives us that kind of puts them the roller coaster, like the little, cut me back in that in that little roller coaster of the rain. i have I'm not a scientist. I do not know. I'm a theater major. So all my things are more like, let me see the visuals of how this could work it my yeah in my brain. Does that apply? Now tell it to us scientifically, since I just said it like in a little roller coaster ride of what happens in our brain. Yeah.
Speaker: Yes. So what you're doing in all of these, in all, everything that we're describing is about retraining the brain. And it's helpful to understand that all you're dealing with, all you're dealing with is patterns and habits.
Speaker: That we're basically held together by a pattern, by a habit. are The vibrating of our cells that keeps us, the vibrating of our atoms that keeps us ah in physical form. the The thought patterns, it's all about habits, all about thinking the same thing over and over again. i mean We just poop into vapor, into nothingness.
Speaker: So we can change habits. And one of the principal habits that we're train changing is when we look at something that has made us feel terrible and we look at it with joy.
Speaker: Even if it feels terrible, we look at the feeling terrible with joy. we start to change our brain chemistry. We try to start to change the neural pathways. We start to change our physiology around something.
Speaker: You see something and it makes you, and your blood starts boiling and your face is flush and you can't think anymore. And then in that moment, if you can bring in kind of a meta version of yourself that looks at that and says, that's okay. It's okay that you feel that way.
Speaker: That becomes dominant. And then that will become, eventually that will become the the way that you respond to the thing that triggered you before. And what you were saying. Like an override, overriding that, yeah that programming right there. Yes, because the positive emotion is dominant. And this is a cool study that I heard about where they actually increase serotonin levels in primates.
Speaker: And and ha primates with higher serotonin levels will rise in rank. So this is something that's helpful to understand if you're in a leadership position, if you have a leadership position with your own kids or in your own household, that that if you are more emotionally stable, you actually have more power.
Speaker: And this happens internally in our internal relationship as well. So it's a part of yourself that has more emotional capacity. The one that is more emotionally generous, the one that is kinder, that kind inner voice has more and that kind inner voice has more power than anything else, than any demeaning voice in any terrible story you have about yourself.
Speaker: And it's so nice to think of that, that the that the kind, loving, mothering, parenting kind of version of our own voice is the one that can can take the wheel because we we often just...
Speaker: free, you know, just allow it to just kind of just go wild and to think of it in that nurturing, loving way. just changes everything. within Yeah. we We do sometimes have like the four-year-old running the show inside.
Speaker: i've I've heard like the monkey brain, you know, like, ah you know, that when you have like a drunken monkey in your brain, that drunken monkey being the one that's running the the show in your brain. Yeah. you You said something that was really, really smart word. You use the word evidence.
Speaker: This is a great word because we can find evidence for absolutely anything. And it relates to this brain training that we're talking about. and it relates to gratitude and it relates to grief. So in the if I use the the antidote about my about my dad, and I think about the things that I was able to access, if I looked for those same things,
Speaker: before i had that that healing event, it would be really hard for me to find the evidence of that in my life. Because I have an underlying foundational story that I'm coming from a deficit.
Speaker: But if I've changed that story, so I've healed the underlying trauma, now I can actually look for evidence of this in my life in the present day. And that will forward, that will, it's evidence that I can have what I want.
Speaker: So we're thinking about manifestation and anybody anybody who's listening who's studied this at all, a lot of it, a lot of what manifestation is really about, it's about getting an agreement with yourself, getting your mind and your emotions in agreement. So everybody's pointed in the same direction.
Speaker: You want what you want, you believe you can have it, and you feel good when you think about it. So this kind of ah of a healing event provides evidence and support for that, both from a belief perspective, because I've had it before, I can have it again.
Speaker: and and also from an emotional perspective of like that feeling of safety, that feeling of being loved. And when we're thinking about manifesting, especially a lot of times it has to do with feeling loved by the universe, feeling feeling loved by God, feeling like we're worthy at a very foundational level.
Speaker: That kind of stuff tends to come from our our first relationships. It has to do oftentimes with what we learned from our parents about our worthiness and our our own goodness.
Speaker: So you can use a healing event like that to practice and cultivate those feelings inside of yourself and look for evidence of it in your in your present moment life. I love that. Yeah, you have to kind of like back to even with the treasure hunting. It's like also just like, what are you Like what what are your glasses in that moment look like in order to be able to see that? What kind of lens are you viewing it through? And the moment you change the lens, then you're really able to really see it and as that. So that addressing the actual trauma in order to be able to to view it in a different way. Yeah. And you can do it both ways. You can do it healing first and then mindset, or you can do it mindset first and then healing.
Speaker: I love that. Yeah, because it's a lot of times, have you ever seen the the the power post, the whole thing of like that the moment when you change the power post? Yeah, you can physically do something that changes your inside and the same thing goes here. You just you just choose which route you're going. And you'll still be able to get to the same same result. So I want to hear more about how people can work with you and the things you offer, whether it's online, whether it's workshops, whether it's one-on-one. Share with the audience what you offer to to us, please.
Speaker: Yeah, so I have a lot of digital programs that include sessions, recorded sessions with me. I like this because I'm a firm believer in DIY healing. I think that the mental health industry is doing just fine.
Speaker: um and This isn't, you know, if you need it, get it. But I also really believe that we all need to know how to work with our own minds and our own emotions. So I really do my best to support people in becoming their own best practitioner.
Speaker: So you yeah, there's a lot of digital programs that I have. Treasure hunting, the I have a treasure hunting sessions, which is a digital program where you can listen to those sessions with me. i also have a clinic.
Speaker: So if you do want to work with me in a group setting, I give one-on-one sessions. And then I also do occasionally take private clients, although that's a little fewer and far between. But yeah, you can find um treasure hunt the treasure hunting sessions and the treasure hunting clinics would be the best way to continue work together.
Speaker: As you said that of the one-on-one clients, it's like another question came up to me. For you, as you're doing this, since as somebody that has been through trauma, when you're guiding somebody, how do you protect your own your own um field, your own energy field in that process, because you are constantly even revisiting even maybe your own. So doing one-on-one, because when you have workshops and things like that, that you're not having to listen to somebody else and the input of that information, right?
Speaker: So how do you do that? How do you protect your own? I don't. I just let it pierce my heart. I just let it all the way in. Because how dare I? How dare i sit there across from somebody and tell them that they can heal while hold myself away from what they're feeling?
Speaker: The protection that I have is my own is my own strength of my nervous system. And that's been cultivated to heal my own trauma. As practitioners, we we come we struggle with this when somebody else's thing hits our thing and it's unresolved.
Speaker: then we feel a pain that is that needs to be addressed. When we're feeling pain on behalf of another person, it's like the grief portal. It's, it's thank thank you, God, for letting me be in contact with this person. Thank you for letting me understand their world. Thank you for letting me in
Speaker: That is so beautiful because you're just being part of that, witnessing, right, that and being just human. And I love what you said, that the fact that it when it touches that point, it's also information you are receiving. So as a practitioner, then in that moment, you're receiving information that there's still part of you that still needs some attention if it hits you in a way that hits. So it's information that I love. Thank you so much, Lillian, for sharing that. Lillian, as I closing out, and I'll make sure to add, of course, people if you're wanting to reach out, your websites are in the show notes, if you want to just say it out loud too, in case somebody doesn't want to scroll down, what's your website so that people can reach you?
Speaker: Yeah, LillianEMoore.com. First, middle, and last name all together in.com. Perfect. Now, I like to always ask this to my of my guests is is there anything I have not asked you that you want to make sure that you share with the audience?
Speaker: um I would love for you to ask me if there's anything that cannot be healed.
Speaker: hence Tell us. Is there? No, there's nothing that cannot be healed. Oh. That's also why I don't have to protect myself.
Speaker: Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, Lillian.
Speaker: thank you again so much for choosing to listen today. I hope that you can take away a few nuggets from today's episode that can bring you comfort in your times of grief.
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Speaker: Also, if you or someone you know has a story of grief and gratitude that should be shared so that others can be inspired as well, please reach out to me.
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