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SERIAL - Dr. No
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This week Faith is going to take us on a journey of a 9-year murder spree that plagued Ohio - but were the victims and killings just in Ohio, or is that all we know about? The name "Dr. No" is a nickname or call tag for a man who hunted and murdered those society did not watch after for 9 years - that we know about. With police being in the dark through most of the years - and the cases only being linked by an advantageous journalist. Hope you enjoy!
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Transcript
Hosts' Health and Upcoming Plans
00:00:04
Speaker
It's been like two weeks since we've recorded so Yeah, I got I got the flu. This is Lisa The plague done the plague one. Yes. Yeah. No, I think my son has the plague I'm telling you if I get sick, I'm gonna be pissed Listen, you want to talk about avoiding people?
00:00:28
Speaker
I've been trying to avoid you like insane only cause I know you're about to go on vacation. So yes, I am leaving at four o'clock tomorrow for Disney. So yeah, it must be nice here.
Mansfield Mystery: Discovery and Investigation
00:00:42
Speaker
You're here to hear a horrific story. And do I have one for you? All right. I'm gonna jump into it. All right. We are going to June 12th, 1985.
00:00:58
Speaker
That's the year I was born. And close to your birthday. Really close to my birthday. A month and a day. Yeah. This is like the prequel to you. So what's that say about us? All the crap had to hit the fan at that moment. So June 12th, 1985, around 5.30 in the morning in Mansfield, Ohio, off Interstate 70, a police trooper named Kevin Titler was making his early morning rounds, checking for disabled vehicles.
00:01:27
Speaker
Just that kind of thing, to tag him, call him in. I didn't even know that was a thing. I didn't know it was a thing either, but apparently this was the typical way he started his day. Yeah. This morning was a little atypical, however, because he spotted something a little different. Something that stood out from the normal. And so he went to get closer, and as he got closer, he realized what he was looking at was the body of a young woman.
00:01:56
Speaker
She had been severely beaten and left partially clothed. And so, of course, he's a police officer. He's trained in first response. So he goes to check on her. And while she was unresponsive, she was still alive. So Officer Kevin radioed for assistance and then immediately proceeded to give her mouth to mouth in CPR, attempting to keep her alive until backup came.
00:02:20
Speaker
The girl, yeah, the girl was transferred to a hospital. However, there was no identification located on or around her body that the police could find. So they have no idea what they're dealing with. They have no idea who she is. Um, the only method of trying to figure out who this girl was, was literally them taking her fingerprints and waiting for the match to come back. Wow. Can I make a really stupid statement? You can. I got super high pitch this time. Sorry about that. Uh, could you imagine?
00:02:51
Speaker
Being a woman in the car, going through whatever you just went through, partially closed can only mean that somebody took advantage of you. Correct. I would assume. On top of you.
00:03:06
Speaker
Giving you CPR. Yeah. If she was any kind of client, I didn't stare. I did not think about that. That's gotta be so traumatic. Yeah, I was gonna say you're just, I mean, he has to try to save her, but yes, I did not think about that at all. I'm not saying that the cop did anything wrong. I'm only saying, like, just, you know, hindsight's 20-20 on that one. Like, you have no idea what... No. I've never thought of it that way, and that is horrific.
00:03:37
Speaker
jeez i'm sorry i'm i'm twisted that's why it's twisted tails all right that's fine i did not think about that at all and that would be absolutely awful i'd be terrified oh so sorry sorry guys you're fine you're fine good thought
Victim Identification and Societal Views
00:03:56
Speaker
So the police while they're waiting for the fingerprint match to come back, the only other thing that they can do is go through mug shots in the system trying to see if they find anything that looks familiar to the girl they found. Police actually hit a break and they are able to find her.
00:04:12
Speaker
Um, about six months prior to this, she had been arrested under the charge of solicitation, our prostitution. Yeah. And between the prints and the mugshots, they were able to identify this woman as 25 year old Martha Matthews. Mark, not Martha, I'm sorry, Marsha. Marsha was a mother to an eight year old little girl and actually had a very supportive and loving family. Um,
00:04:38
Speaker
So she comes, she has, she's a mother to an eight year old little girl and she has a very supportive, loving family. And like, you know, what's okay? Yeah. Like how many times though do we sit here? We talk about this and it's not just like the drug scream, right? Like we're, we're just trying to, you know, pay for our next fix. Like these are literally women out there that have nothing else to offer. Yeah.
00:05:02
Speaker
Or they, no, no, lies. They feel like, or think like they have nothing else to offer. And that's art. I mean, you do what you got to do. Like, I mean, let's have a, let's have a quiet, like, let's have, let's be honest. Like we're, this is a good offense to people. That's fine. They probably make more money than I do. Probably. And they're not half as stressed or worn out as I am. I don't know about all that. Well, I mean,
00:05:28
Speaker
They probably have to work less out about all that. But I'm just I'm simply saying, like, I'm thinking I'm a woman. Yeah. And you know how easy it is to make money off of something as simple as that. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you know, a guy is going to pay like big bills, right?
00:05:43
Speaker
Yep. If I thought I feel like in my mind, I have nothing else to offer. Like McDonald's is not going to help me. You know what I mean? Like, and if you're a single mom that got pregnant and doesn't have like a high school education or a college degree, that's so valuable in the United States of America, what other option you're going to be able to make more money and, and do better doing this using your body than working at a nine to five in a call center.
00:06:10
Speaker
Oh, you ain't lying. So what? You don't have dental. Guess what? You can pay cash for the dental needs because the rest of us have cavities. We're plugging with silicone. Yep. Yep. So I'm actually going to leave all that in because you know what? I think that we need to do better in our view of sex workers. So there's that. I would agree. Please don't hate me. Um, it's not a hate thing. I don't mean that. I mean the people because I manipulate men in so many ways and I'm getting up getting
00:06:38
Speaker
Right right that part we will edit out So once they've identified Marcia her family had the difficult task or decision of Pulling life support just two short days after she was found on the side of the road There was literally nothing keeping her alive besides the machines her family made the
Family Decisions and Investigation Leads
00:07:05
Speaker
difficult but amazing decision to donate her eyes, liver, and kidneys to three patients awaiting those organs to save their lives and to give them a better quality of life. So that's what they decided to do.
00:07:20
Speaker
And when the days of grief and decisions and just numbness wore off, the family was left with only questions. Right. Why did this happen to Marsha? Who could have done it? Why did their daughter, mother, sister, why? But for all these questions, there were literally no answers.
00:07:43
Speaker
And quite frankly, the police had the exact same questions and they didn't have any answers or even a start, like a thread to pick at to get these answers either. Yeah. The following days, which I will say, because it really makes me mad. I feel like anytime there's a crime against sex workers, we've talked about it before. Everybody's like, well, they're high risk. And it's just ignored. Like, honestly, though, I'm going to go ahead and just state the facts, like being a woman,
00:08:13
Speaker
Is a high-risk lifestyle. Is a high-risk lifestyle. Right. And there are so many different, like, categories, like sex workers, moms alone in the grocery store with their children. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, of course they're high-risk. Just being a woman in the United States, yes. Or in the world. No, I was gonna say, it's not the United States, sweet pea. That's everywhere. I'm ended. But I will say these sheriffs,
00:08:42
Speaker
Um, this, this police department did a good job in the following days, a sheriff's sergeants named John Napier was lead on the case and he took to the streets and he questioned other woman who worked the streets with Marcia that worked the same watt as she did. Um, because Marcia, where she just, where she picked up John's was a, um, trucker's stop. Yeah. Those that they,
00:09:10
Speaker
I do not like the term at all. I would rather call prostitutes, hookers, anything. I hate the term lot lizards. No. I feel like I don't know why I just really hate that term. I just, I don't like it. No, I mean, it's just another derogatory name for a woman. You know what I mean? Like if a guy was out there selling himself, he'd just be a pimp. Yeah. You know, but pimp sell other people. Yes. So whatever. So, um, Sergeant,
00:09:39
Speaker
John went to the lot where Marsha worked, talked to the other girls that worked the lot, talked to the drivers who frequented the area Marsha worked just trying to get a lead. Like he put boots to the ground and went and did the legwork instead of just ignoring it. So I commend him for that. It shouldn't have to, but I do. So in his talks, one man confirmed to Officer Napier that he had contact with Marsha about three hours before her body was found.
00:10:07
Speaker
His account of the interaction was that Marcia had woken him up around 2.30 in the morning as he requested that she do so he could get back on the road. But that was the last time he saw her. Obviously, he didn't admit to any, you know, interactions, if you were. But that's not, it doesn't, that's not here or there. So he, she was last seen now at 2.30 in the morning. Another woman at the truck stop said that she saw Marcia get into a semi truck around three o'clock in the morning.
00:10:34
Speaker
The truck had an Arkansas logo on the door and a man behind the wheel. This was two and a half hours before Marsha's body was found along the interstate. So this truck with the Arkansas logo was more than likely the last person that saw her alive, if not the killer. Besides this, leads were very few and very far between with regards to the case. And honestly,
00:11:03
Speaker
like we've talked about people tend to look the other way or not pay attention when it comes to sex workers it's kind of like homeless like you see them at the red light and you try not to make eye contact unless you're seeking them out for a job and then you don't want to admit that you had that interaction so there just there wasn't a lot of people coming forward basically like okay i'm gonna make another super comment just because i can but like when it comes to like like sex work and drugs and things like that like
00:11:33
Speaker
there's still an honor system. Yes. But sex workers, women on, on, like on a women, a woman's front, right? Yeah. Like, okay, you kill a hooker, you know, man down, right? But like, you know, you assassinate one of your drug dealers, like there's consequences. Yeah. You know, women are expendable.
00:11:56
Speaker
But, well, I was saying like sex workers in general are expendable. There's no contracts. There's no written agreement that I'm going to come out of this alive. Right. But you need one. All right. Well, what I'm saying is like the ladies of the night are like the last true honor system. Yeah, but they still don't. Like it's going to be
00:12:25
Speaker
Your word meaning, you know, I don't have an STD. Your word meaning I'm not going to kill you tonight. Your word meaning whatever. I'm going to pay you at the end. Right. But like, that's pretty much the only business left that I can think of that's high risk in the fact that you're literally just taking someone's word for it. Like even, even when you do a drug deal,
00:12:53
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like you, you can't just go blast the guy that showed you the drugs because they're, they're going to come after you. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Nobody's going to come after you if you die and you're a hook or whatever, whatever you want to call it, whatever sensitive word. I'm just saying that for these women doing, whether unethical.
00:13:22
Speaker
or not literally have to base everything on a trust system. And you can't, you can't do that. You can't trust your fricking neighbor anymore. Sorry. That was just rare. Random thoughts of Lisa. Sorry. Yeah.
Cold Cases and Emerging Patterns
00:13:39
Speaker
So the only thing police did have on Marsha was a small amount of DNA that they found on her body.
00:13:47
Speaker
But as it's the early to mid 80s, the technology was newer and they subpar. Yes. And also they don't have a suspect. They don't have enough information really to do anything. So if they use the DNA, it's gone. So what they decided was to hold on to it until they got more information.
00:14:10
Speaker
Waiting to use it until they had actionable Intel or just science got further along just you know Keep it sustain it which is a smart call The police I'm sure at this point just figured this is a dead-end situation And they were right
00:14:32
Speaker
there was nothing to go on. And as they had to wait, the case just went colder and colder until eventually it was forgotten, which is usually how these cases go. Unfortunately, when nobody's barking up the tree and ringing the bells, I mean, her parents and her family mourned her and they loved her and they did what they could, but they have to raise her daughter. They have to move in with their life. There's no evidence at all. There's not a single trace of anything.
00:15:00
Speaker
So what the police did not anticipate was that this would be the first in a string of bodies found in similar situations. And this list is going to start to grow and grow through the rest of the eighties and into the nineties. So about what state did you say we're starting in? This is Ohio. Okay. So about a year after Marsha's body was found,
00:15:26
Speaker
On July 20th, 1986, at a truck stop along the highway at intersection of I-71 and I-76 in Medina County, Ohio, a trucker pulled off at the rest stop to go to the bathroom. They'd got to go. Unfortunately, either the bathrooms were out of order or the truck, the rest stop wasn't open or whatever happened, he could not go inside to go to the bathroom.
00:15:54
Speaker
So he did what any red blood American would do in this situation and I would do if I could exactly go. He goes to start to look for a place to take a peek. So he's trying to find something time on the outskirts of the restaurant because he can't, he can't start peeing in a family drive up. That's indecent exposure. Correct.
00:16:12
Speaker
So he's walking around kind of like towards the wooded area and he comes across the body of a woman who is stripped down, left only in a white tank top. She'd been placed behind one of those concrete barriers that are about three feet tall leading back to the exit of the interstate. So she wasn't like hidden, she was just behind that. Her body had ligature marks around her neck and her face had been extremely badly beaten.
00:16:39
Speaker
Unlike Marsha, this woman had not been left on the brink of life. She had already been murdered. Police were able to identify this woman as 23-year-old Shirley Dean Taylor, a sex worker originally from Virginia who had moved to this area and was known to work this restaurant, this section.
00:17:02
Speaker
During the investigation, police noted that all her possessions, including her clothes that she had to have been wearing because she wasn't outside and just panties and a tank top, were gone, missing nothing left. There wasn't any pieces of clothes. There were no scraps. There was nothing, everything taken from the scene.
00:17:22
Speaker
So police started their investigation, but just like with Marsha, these officers were not able to find anything to give them a clue or a lead spot. No one saw anything, no one heard anything, and no one remembered seeing Shirley around that night at all. The only lead that they were able to find were from the other working girls that used the same lot Shirley did to pick up Johns.
00:17:47
Speaker
They said they heard Shirley be solicited that night by someone over the CB radio. And his handle was Dr. No. Now, while this is something, it's a CB handle. It's literally a made up identity that can be changed at any time. No way to track. It's not like he's Facebook messaging or sending emails where you have an IP address. It's literally a radio connected to everyone.
00:18:17
Speaker
So while it's something, it absolutely is of no help whatsoever. And then later that year in December, another trucker came across another body along the road in Ashland, Ohio. This girl was younger than the two previous. She was 18-year-old April Barnett and her body was found completely frozen.
00:18:45
Speaker
Mainly thought to be due to the conditions outside. The other difference between April and the two previous was that her body was not beaten and she had not been hit by a blunt object but just strangled to death. So while there wasn't that's yeah. Go ahead. That doesn't really make any sense. Well, so what the free the frozen or what?
00:19:11
Speaker
Well the fact that the other ones were like beaten and she's just... Well there's the deal. There's slight difference but there's similarities. So the first Marsha was just beaten and had blunt force trauma which ended up in brain death. Right.
00:19:30
Speaker
the second um lady who was found was beaten Shirley she was beaten and had strangulation marks the third one April just had strangulation no beating so it's like he's kind of going back and forth yeah like what what fits him the best correct does he like the most correct wow that's so ridiculous so there's also some like chatter and talk that
00:20:00
Speaker
since her body was completely frozen, was it that, was it the outside conditions in the December, Ohio weather or was she maybe in the back of a truck in a freezer? Oh my goodness. You don't know. So it's important to note, I feel like at this point that while we see the connections, the correlations, the progressions of these murders, the police did not.
00:20:26
Speaker
This was the early to mid 80s and these bodies were all found in different counties of Ohio. Yeah. So at the time the police had not connected these murders to one another. They were all working like the outside looking in. Yes. It was all completely one-off new information. Each individual police department worked their individual crime. They didn't share information. They didn't know that like it was just a murder to them, this one murder. They don't see these like
00:20:57
Speaker
All these women were found on the interstate in Ohio, left in no clothes besides a tank top and beaten or strangled. They don't see that because they're not talking to each other. They don't see that they're all sex workers and that they're all at truck stops and trucking lots. So just keep that in mind too, that while we can see, well, why wouldn't you? Because they don't know. They don't know that there's this string type of situation going on. Yeah.
00:21:23
Speaker
So there was also information, back to April, there was also information that led police to believe that April had been a victim of sex trafficking, not by her killer, but prior to starting work as a prostitute, or maybe why she was prostituting herself in the first place. She had a very big, italicized, quote unquote boyfriend named Anthony Pickett, who was actually her pimp.
00:21:53
Speaker
Um, he called himself his boyfriend, but he was not. Uh, he had been arrested in the past for transporting minors across state lines. So it can be assumed he more than likely got his hooked into her when she was younger and kept him tapping her in this lifestyle. They never really released what they found on her body, um, to believe that she was a victim of sex trafficking. But I'm, I'm going to say it's probably a good call. I was just going to say nobody really does. No.
00:22:20
Speaker
So Anthony, um, when he was questioned by the police, he said he didn't know who could have done this to April. And he did not know the last guy that she was with, but there was a John who'd roughed her up a few days prior. He was able to give the police the license plate to the truck, which the police used to track down 37 year old Alvin Wilden. But once they tracked him down, that was it. Like there's no record they ever talked to him, interviewed him, questioned him, nothing.
00:22:54
Speaker
several years later when questioned like when police were questioned why they never like after they located Alvin did they never question him or speak to him the statement was given from the police department that they were numerous leads coming in not enough funding or people to check on them all so that was just kind of dropped well but again it's kind of like well no it's kind of standard business you know what i mean like
00:23:23
Speaker
If it was a well-to-do family and some, yeah, exactly. That's really, that's a hundred percent. I said right here, the same lack of funding along with multiple cases and all honesty, let's be real. The victim was a prostitute. That was the reason why they let the case go. People use all kinds of excuses and sex workers. So while the police were busy looking, um, the other way on April's case, in my opinion,
00:23:51
Speaker
Her killer was busy looking for his next target. Just two months later, in February, 1987, a local sex worker named Anna Marie Patterson was picked up by the local police station for solicitation.
Witness Accounts and New Victims
00:24:06
Speaker
She was brought down to the station for booking the whole nine yards. When she was being released, she made an offhand comment to the police that she
00:24:16
Speaker
She made an offhand comment to the police that she knew who was killing the sex workers at the truck stops. But that's all she wanted to say because she was too afraid to name and he would kill her. The officers who heard this didn't press her for information, didn't question her, didn't offer her protection, assurances, nothing. Just released her. You're good to go.
00:24:39
Speaker
Um, more than likely they assumed she didn't really know what she was talking about because again, she said she knew who was killing all those sex workers. Yeah. Please have not connected anything. There are no string of sex workers. So again, you're looking, you're looking at percentages. Yeah. Like how many of them are on drugs? How many of them are you?
00:25:04
Speaker
It's not relative. None of them were on drugs. Like they just don't know there's been more than one murder. Like when she says all these departments are not correct. They're not sharing information. They're not. It's not an open case. They don't realize that there's literally a serial killer in Ohio.
00:25:29
Speaker
None of this is being seen by the police. The working girls have their network and they have talked to each other so they know something's going on. They know their friends and coworkers or rivals or whatever they are, are being murdered. But the police haven't put this together. So the day after, like the next day, Anna Marie was released from the police station, she was gone, vanished.
00:25:58
Speaker
After she was released, her husband slash pimp went to the Austin Town truck stop, which was the most massive and well-trafficked truck stop in Ohio. So his account of what happened that evening, Anna-Marina, her husband slash pimp are at this truck stop in Austin Town.
00:26:24
Speaker
And they are listening to the CB radio to see who's out there and who might be looking for some company, if you will. And as they're sitting there, they, this is what they hear. So there's a crackling coming through because it's a CB. So it goes, right? Breaker breaker. Any ladies out there free for the evening? Doctor No is feeling lonely.
00:26:53
Speaker
And a response comes immediately. This is Reina, and we're not dealing with you. We've already told you. Dr. No responds. Oh, come on. How about my sleeping beauty? You out there tonight sleeping beauty? Come on, girl. And she responds, no, I know you. Hearing Dr. No's voice on the radio or the CB
00:27:21
Speaker
must have spooked her because she left shortly after hearing him like she left the truck stop shortly after hearing him on the CB radio yeah many of the summaries from her case online there are a lot of different you can find news articles crime junkie did a case on it there's a lot of things but many of the reports say that she left early that night from the truck stop however
00:27:47
Speaker
There's one instance on one of the earlier reports that says Anna Marie's husband drove her to a different truck stop right over the Pennsylvania state line to find work. So after her husband dropped her off at this new truck stop, Anna Marie's husband never saw her from her again. A week after this incident,
00:28:12
Speaker
Her husband finally went to the police room missing on Valentine's Day, 1987. Police learned that not only was she missing, but she was six months pregnant as well. Ooh. Her husbands assured the police that she would not have run off. They were happy, even though they had a non-traditional type of relationship and work ethic. Right. And then alerts them of Dr. No calling her out over the CB radio.
00:28:42
Speaker
because her call name on the CB radio was Sleeping Beauty. But how did he find her though? Well, um, you don't know. I mean, if he knew, if he knew who she was, he probably followed her. And honestly, do you want to know why I picked this case? I really thought you would have called it out by now. It sounds definitely like a movie I've seen.
00:29:10
Speaker
Yeah, the Paul Walker movie. Yep. Where the CB guy, like the trucker, like chases them around. Joyride, I think it's called. Yes, Joyride. Like, that's why I picked this case, because it's candy cane. Oh my God. Anyway, sorry. Side note, let's go back.
00:29:29
Speaker
Time continues to move, but Anna Marie's missing person case does not. Until finally March 23rd, 1987, a little over a month after she was reported missing, when a sleeping bag is found along I-75 in Warren County. And I assure you, what you think is inside the sleeping bag is. It is the body of Anna Marie. Yep, sleeping bag, sleeping beauty. Oh the irony, what a smart guy.
00:29:59
Speaker
Her cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head, and she had ligaments remarks around her neck. In another familiar twist to us, all her clothing had been removed besides a tank top, underwear, and pantyhose. So while the crime scene is yet again extremely familiar and similar, it is yet again in another county with a new police department and so it is yet again not connected to the earlier murders.
00:30:29
Speaker
There were a few striking differences in Anna Marie's case. She was held longer. She was left on the side of the road and found shortly after being dumped there, but her body had been dead a while. All the other victims were found relatively quickly after they were dumped. Her body was held before it was dumped. It had been refrigerated after death for at least a month.
00:30:58
Speaker
Wow. And she was also the only victim to this point to be covered up in the sleeping bag. Um, as the others were just discarded along the highway, she was discarded along the highway, but at least given there's that confidence though, like, but notice with her at that point, I don't think it was kept in a freezer for at least a month. Yeah. And the other little girl's body was frozen when found.
00:31:26
Speaker
So as we can see the overview of this case, more than likely is like a trucker that has like a freezer truck in my mind. Like I keep going back to Dexter and it's so pathetic. I've never watched it. You don't need to. So I don't know. While this isn't a huge amount of information, obviously it does tell us that he has a large freezer. Do you ever wonder though if this is the same way they handle cases now?
00:31:57
Speaker
like do they not search a database they didn't i don't think they had a database at this point though no i'm saying i'm talking about 2022 yeah nowadays like if you've got a missing person's case it's put in a database we're gonna get there hold on sorry pause i always jump the gun um so it's what i do while they it did give them a little bit more information the piece of information doesn't give them
00:32:24
Speaker
any type of clue of where to go from here. And just like her body, Anna Marie's case went ice cold as well. Later that month, another body was found near Dayton, Ohio off I-70. The victim was found on August 10th, 1987, stripped down of everything besides her blue jeans and light pink underwear that had been pulled down and left around her thighs.
00:32:49
Speaker
The police had a really hard time identifying this latest victim. There was no missing person on file. There were no fingerprints in the record. She'd never been arrested. There was no information on her anywhere. No one had filed anything remotely similar. She was a white female, age 17 to 25, around 125 pounds. 17 to 25, that's a pretty big gap. Yeah, but
00:33:16
Speaker
when you find a body alongside her, I mean, you just don't know. They've got literally nothing to go on. And this is still 80. So she's about five foot five with a rose tattoo on her left breast and a unicorn tattoo on her right breast. And that's literally all they have. This victim's case had just barely any information to start and the police got nowhere quick. And at this point, the killer, for us looking
00:33:46
Speaker
on now, he seemed to go dormant for a little bit after this. With this being the last murder Ohio would have of this nature for the next three years until April 19th, 1990, in Lincoln County, Ohio, when another unidentified body would be found.
00:34:06
Speaker
The body of the pilot sent her off I-70, dressed in only her underwear. She had been beaten on her face and head with strangulation marks around her neck. The autopsy had been engaged in sex 12 to 24 hours prior to her death. That's all the information they have. I was going to say, there's no proof whether it was consensual or not. Okay. Correct.
00:34:31
Speaker
The information on this Jane Doe Jane Doe number two we'll call her because the girl spoken about earlier with the attack the Rose and the unicorn tattoos she's Jane Doe number one we don't know who she is Jane Doe number two information went nationwide with the police departments looking through all missing persons reports but they couldn't find anything. The Ohio police had yet another dead girl
00:35:00
Speaker
with no clue as to who she was or why she was murdered. At this point, there were six murdered girls in Ohio that we know about, but still in six different counties, and the police have not linked any of these murders together.
Linking Cases and Uncovering Suspects
00:35:17
Speaker
At long last, a reporter named Michael Barron- At long last? Well, I mean, at this point, it's been almost 10 years. I know, but- You know? At long last? Well, fine.
00:35:30
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Finally, I actually have typed in my notes. Finally, a reporter named Michael Barons started piecing together an article and he started looking at the information and reports. And on March 10th, 1990, Michael published a horrific conclusion to the Colombian dispatch. There was a serial killer operating in Ohio and this same person
00:35:59
Speaker
was responsible for all these women who had been murdered and no one had linked them. So a journalist? A journalist finally links it all together. That's... Insane. So... Insane. Ugh. So however, there being a serial killer was not the most terrifying thing he states. Michael reported that he believed he could link this killer to three additional victims in neighboring states.
00:36:29
Speaker
And those victims he linked were Jill Allen, LaMonica Cole, and Terry Rourke. All found killed from 1987 to 1990 after being discarded along the highways without their clothing. But these three women were found in Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York. Oh, gee, I wonder what that sounds like.
00:36:54
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though his article went live on March 10th and immediately the public and the police went bananas. How had no one, especially detectives, not put all this together? Just five days later on March 15th, Ohio Attorney General announced that he is forming a special task force that will cross multiple states from Ohio all the way down to Tennessee because they wore
00:37:20
Speaker
The more they looked at the victims listed in Michael's article and the more strings that were put on this, the case, the further the victims seem to go outside of Ohio. What a shocker. There were a lot of suspects that were reviewed by the task force and investigated, but nothing concrete, nothing like really firm. Right.
00:37:47
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In 1991, a year later, Michael, the journalist who broke this story, did a follow-up article about a possible suspect that he personally had uncovered. Why not? He's the one that linked it all together. You go ahead and solve the case, bro. Yeah, please. Why don't you? Yeah. Yeah. He tells the story about an incident that occurred in the middle of the killing spree.
00:38:11
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That was strange when it occurred, but didn't cause that many alarm bells to go off because again, no one had linked these cases together. And Michael's story was about this. So what happened, the story he tells is in 1987, there was an accident involving one tractor trailer traveling down I-71. While this tractor trailer was going down the interstate, it hit a spot of ice and crashed into a bridge.
00:38:39
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When this truck crashed into the bridge, more than 200 pieces of woman's clothing came pouring out of the cab, which is the front of the truck, not the back. Yes, yes, the cab. Yeah. In addition to the 200 pieces of women's clothing were handcuffs, chains, leather restraints, and a very large amount of pornographic material.
00:39:07
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The driver was sent to the hospital as he was pretty injured after the crash. And he was released from the hospital and stayed on disability for a while, not being able to get back on the road. And so that was probably the lull in the conversation we had earlier. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The evidence, the clothes, the underwear, the restraints, the chains, the handcuffs. It was all just returned to him.
00:39:35
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of course it was of course it was it could be theorized that the clothing return to this man could have actually led to a lot of missing cases people being closed I mean let's be honest why would a truck driver have 200 pieces of woman's clothing
00:39:55
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And with all the other stuff. It's 2022. So I can come up with a couple. Yeah, but this is 1990s. And I know, I know. I'm just saying. Yeah. So in the follow-up article, Michael, Michael, Michael, article, Michael. Yeah. He interviewed the man's wife and her story was, you know, it was, it was a dumb wife story. She said that her husband traveled.
00:40:22
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um all the time and the reason why he had all those women's clothing is because he did his own laundry at that point in his life and he must have just grabbed her lotus laundry by mistake before he took it himself on the road you must have been it yep too can your washer and dryer do 200 pieces of clothing at once because if so i need to get that face now i have 200 pieces of clothing not folded and not put up i can't sit here and say
00:40:53
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Yeah, my husband had 200 or, okay. Must've been, it must've been mine. Yeah. All 200 pieces. And we can't, we can't validate that because we've given back to him. So, and then when they ask, well, what about the chains, the handcuffs? As a wife, I don't own 200 pairs of the same matching socks. Arrest his ass. How are you going to just grab the wrong laundry bin and it contained that much clothing? Dude.
00:41:22
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I don't want your articles in closing that are like panties and no, come on, bro, bro. No. So her response to why he had the whips, the chains, the handcuffs, these restraints is, well, he's just a hoarder. No, he's a hoarder. He likes to collect things. Um, that's. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I'd have been like. Truthfully, right? Like we're going to defend this guy.
00:41:52
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like well we have a pretty extreme sex life that that would be the log you'd that be the smart play yes if you're not given alibi he's a hoarder he hoards whips and chains and things yeah yeah hoarders hoarders like take diapers and shit like I don't know I don't watch hoarders makes me sad it does that way I tried one so I couldn't do it again right
00:42:18
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So she does, however, give him an alibi saying that he was home with her and he was on disability for 18 months after the accident, which is when three of these deaths occurred. But again, I feel like we've already established her word is bunk. So I just can't understand as a woman. Protecting someone like this? No. Yeah, pretty much. I mean,
00:42:44
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Oh, so many, so many words. Go ahead, Jessica. The podcast, Crime Junkie, I listened to their take on this case, and they actually pointed out that a lot of people, which I didn't see this when I did my research, but they have researchers on the payroll there. We don't even have a payroll. I listened to the podcast, Crime Junkie did this case in one of their episodes, and they said,
00:43:12
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that they found a lot of people theorizing on this which I didn't find but they have like researchers on the payroll and we don't have a payroll so no you know
00:43:24
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Um, but they said that a lot of people theorize the killer could have had a background in law enforcement or private security, something in that field because of the way the bodies were discarded in different counties and jurisdictions, even different precincts, um, that were called investigate, which I can see that. I can, but at the same time, it's kind of like, like, like I worked for the railroad, right? Yeah. And I know the trucking companies that we,
00:43:51
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like higher go like everywhere faith east coast west coast doesn't matter i insert truck drivers i work with truck drivers daily yeah i mean they literally yeah i know if they wanted to freeze a body dude it wouldn't take much right and that's what i said however if this killer is a truck driver it would be natural for him to be on the road and sadly enough i think the cases just weren't investigated to the fullest
00:44:15
Speaker
due to the victims being left behind and the victims that were left behind. And I think he just got a lucky break. I don't think it has anything to do with him being like this criminal mastermind. I agree. Absolutely, 110%. And I also think, though, that police and government, whatever, are still basing things on such a gray area where you don't really want to think that human beings are capable of what they're capable of. Yeah.
00:44:44
Speaker
And I think that's why so many of these things don't get connected. Yeah. Is because like we're not going to sit here and think that, oh, well, you know, Jane Doe and Jane Doe and Tennessee and New York, they all, they may have been killed the same way, but like, you know what I mean? Like we're not going to piece that puzzle together because.
00:45:06
Speaker
How often does that really happen? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, unfortunately a lot, I'm sure more than well, unfortunately, yes, but. When it comes to government officials who I'm just saying. I'm just saying. No, I 100% understand what you're saying and get what you're saying. Not everything is a criminal minds episode. That's what I guess what I'm trying to say.
00:45:35
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I like to live my life like every, like, like my daily life could be on the criminal mind episode. Um, so yeah, you like to live your life in an episode of criminal minds. I say, I like to live my life daily. Like it could be a criminal minds episode. Like we need to talk about this. Do we need to have a therapy session? No, I'm just saying, is there an intervention leading to happen right now?
00:46:02
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know what i'm saying in the cases that we looked at i would like i know i know i know what you mean to believe it could just be a criminal minds episode so while there while there's a lot of talk about this new suspect the truck the hoarder the hoarding trucker if you will the hoarding trucker um there's no further mention of him
00:46:28
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from the police releases or anything like that. You can't find any other information on them. It's like this, this journalist broke this story wide open, gave you a perfect suspect and that's it. Like done. We're not going to, okay, here's the deal. Two things. One, it's a journalist, right? So he can, there's no boundaries there. He can go wherever he wants, say whatever he wants, yada, yada.
00:46:57
Speaker
There's no protocol for him to follow. There's no nothing. Correct. But so just in the defense of the cops, he doesn't technically have to to follow any kind of guidelines to have a story. Right. But they could have at least checked up on it. Like he reported all this and that was it. And there was some chit chat and people talked about it. But what government official
00:47:28
Speaker
has ever said, I was wrong. Well, this suspect faded from everybody's mind after a while, as did the victims. The closest the police ever came to a true suspect slash lead was the description of a truck from multiple eyewitnesses who watched the victims get into the truck right before their bodies were found. It was a black or dark blue Peterbilt truck, which is a tractor truck. Yeah. And the driver,
00:47:57
Speaker
was never actually seen by anyone. It was like he was a ghost. The only thing they had to go on the driver was the CB handle, Dr. No. Whether it was due to time and other current events or because the victims just didn't matter to society as a whole, the case and the investigations fell out of the public's conscious and the police resources and were just put on the back burner and left.
00:48:25
Speaker
However, the victims list continued to be added to as possible victims of the serial killer throughout the years. Like more victims, more Jane Doe's were attributed to Dr. No. For instance, in April 1992, an unnamed woman was found and associated to this killer. She was found murdered in Ohio naked, besides one sock, underwear, and a t-shirt.
00:48:53
Speaker
She remains unidentified for a long time and police believe that they caught her killer for a while. So she wasn't automatically added to Dr. No's victims list, but they didn't catch her killer. So they'd never released her name, but it's assumed that she is probably one of Dr. No's victims. This woman, the unnamed woman, her killer was supposedly a man by the name of Dennis Hetzel.
00:49:23
Speaker
His phone number was found on her along with a bite mark on her body that matched his dental records, which I have a problem with. He was indicted in 1993 very quietly for her murder, but he actually ended up getting extradited to Texas in 1995 to stand trial for raping his two young daughters, which he was convicted and sentenced of and sent to prison where he died.
00:49:52
Speaker
I have in mind oh my god um when you look at this case it's marked as solved with Hetzel being listed as the murderer however there's a lot of speculation of whether he was the actual murder or just a convenient target right so i fell down the rabbit hole a little bit on this one in reddit
00:50:16
Speaker
and there's information there I'm not sure how true it is or not but years afterwards DNA found on this unnamed woman's body was tested against Hetzel and everyone says that it was not a match okay but he's still listed as her murderer her case is still marked solved and I couldn't find like
00:50:40
Speaker
concrete evidence of that so i'm not 100 sure they are but it's just an interesting i guess side note but do you like ever wonder how many cases go like unsolved like that and then they just kind of throw it like almost lump it into something else yep so yeah so this is where this case stayed the jane doe stayed jane does
00:51:10
Speaker
The victims remain murdered without any kind of justice for their family. Years went by, no leads, no information until 2009, when the case resurfaced because the unidentified victims discussed...
Technology Aids Identification
00:51:28
Speaker
2009? Yep. Oh, you heard that right. 2009.
00:51:33
Speaker
And the case only resurfaced because these unidentified victims, discussed previously, started to get their names. So first was the girl found in 1987, the ones with the unicorn and the rose tattoo. Right. She was identified when a woman named Stephanie Clark, who lived in Kansas City, got a call from relatives and they told her they had just finished watching this show called The Forgotten.
00:52:02
Speaker
where they would search through John and Jane Doe's photos and information to see if they could find missing people. Yeah, that's how they got this idea. So they're telling her this because 22 years ago, Stephanie had been eating pizza with her sister Paula, making plans to go to a concert that weekend. And then when they were done, they both went their separate ways. But when Paula walked out that night, she was never seen again.
00:52:28
Speaker
Paula's family attempted to file missing persons reports, but because she was 21, they had a lot of difficulty proving she was actually missing and not just gone to start her life anew, I guess. Either way, when Stephanie found out about this NamUs, where she can search through missing person records herself, she figured, you know what, why the heck not? So she sat down at her computer and she started listing all the information about her sister, female, white,
00:52:57
Speaker
Missing from Missouri 21 years of age. Search. Nothing. No hits no reports. So she thinks about it and she tries again. Female white 21 left the location blank in case her sister made it out of the state. Hit search. 10 names and 10 possibilities came back. One by one Stephanie searched the results finding nothing.
00:53:27
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her sister wasn't among them. She's at the end of her search and she's on name number 10, possibility number 10. And the profile seems familiar. The description seems familiar, but she needs something tangible, something that she can without a doubt say, this is my sister, could only be my sister. So she reads through the profile and she found exactly what she needed.
00:53:55
Speaker
One breast tattooed with a unicorn and one tattooed with a rose. The DNA match would confirm Stephanie had finally failed her sister. Gosh, that gets me. I don't know why. Sorry. It's all right. You're fine. It was also a big turning point in the case because for the first time it showed Dr. No was not just targeting sex workers. There was no history of sex work in Paula. She was not a sex worker. However, she had a tendency to hitchhike.
00:54:23
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because that was the time when you did that. It also showed a very important point that Dr. Nose-Huntingfield was not exclusively at Ohio because Paula was from Missouri. And the night she went missing, it was two days later when her body was found dumped in Ohio.
00:54:45
Speaker
These new revelations would continue to shine through the other unidentified victims as well as they continued to get their names and their voices back. The last unidentified victim, the one I call Jane Doe number two, the one that Dennis Hutsell was accused and prosecuted for murdering. Well, she had a daughter before she died and that daughter never gave up finding her mother.
00:55:09
Speaker
In 2011, this daughter submitted her DNA to NamUs or CODIS. And in 2012, the Jane Doe was also submitted, prompting a DNA match and giving this woman a name and a history. She was Sharon Lynn Kijerski. She was originally from Ohio, but she was visiting friends in Florida. She'd been missing two years before her murder, but she was also divorced.
00:55:39
Speaker
and did not have a home. So she was literally couch hopping from friend's house to friend's house who had let them stay. And it was easy for her to go missing without anyone to recognize that she was missing except her daughter wanted to know what happened to her mother where she was at. The final unidentified victim is the one that was found in April 1990. She was identified in 2016 as Patricia Corley.
00:56:09
Speaker
She'd gone missing in the early nineties from Kentucky. Her sister-in-law attempted to file a missing report right away, but was not a blood relative. Therefore, the police would not allow her to file. However, she never gave up. And when two police forces merged to create a new task force, she went back to them again and attempted to file a missing police report again. This time they received a hit on the search for the Jane Doe from Ohio.
00:56:34
Speaker
But they also found another Jane Doe from April 1981 that is believed to be Dr. No's very first victim that we know about at least in Ohio. So she went missing from another state outside of Ohio that was found dumped on a highway in Ohio. The scary thing about this victim or the case is the only victims associated with him
00:56:59
Speaker
like Dr. No's case. The only victims associated with him are the ones that were dumped in Ohio. But as we just saw, the hunting ground was much broader than just Ohio State. So it could be theorized from that alone that his dumping ground is also higher, larger than just Ohio. We just haven't connected them all to him to date. And when you think about it that way, there's no telling how many bodies this guy has to his name.
00:57:29
Speaker
Yeah. So during this time in the early 1980s to 1990s, there were multiple truck drivers, serial killers that were caught. It was kind of a trend, I guess. A lot of these individuals have been linked to or thought to be connected to this string of murders, but no one was ever positively linked. Um, there was never, it was nothing. Um, some of the cases specifically Marsha's that we talked about at the very beginning.
00:57:57
Speaker
There was DNA left on the body and that was eventually submitted to CODIS. Yeah. But there weren't any hits. And with that, many families, mothers, fathers, husbands, kids, friends are left without justice or answers for their loved ones that were taken from them. Yeah. Until August 2020. Are you kidding me? Yeah. August 2020 was when the Ohio police captured Dr. No.
00:58:29
Speaker
His name is Samuel Legg III. He was a long haul trucker who lived in Ohio at some point, but was living in the Arizona when he was captured. And while he's not been positively linked to every murder on the roster for Dr. No, he has been to several. So here's what we know about Samuel Legg III. He was a suspect in 1987 in Ohio for the rape of a 17 year old girl.
00:58:57
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but they couldn't get enough evidence to convict him of his charges.
Focus on Suspect Samuel Legg III
00:59:00
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And while she was not a sex worker, she was a hitchhiker and was doing the same, doing that at the time of the incident when she was traveling home from visiting her boyfriend in another state, she was hitchhiking. The rape occurred at a truck stop off Interstate 1, but while he did not kill the girl, he seemed to have learned from his mistakes and the potential rape charge. And so started making sure there weren't any of those around, right?
00:59:27
Speaker
Yeah, dead people don't press charges. Right? Yeah. So why was Samuel Legg identified as Dr. No? Well, the DNA found on Lynn Krasinski, the divorcee who was couch hopping in 1992. Yeah. The DNA left on her was a positive matched leg.
00:59:49
Speaker
He was also a positive DNA match to the murder on December 20th, 1996, where the body of an exotic dancer, Victoria Jane Collins was found behind a Union 76 truck stop. She was initially thought to die from a heart attack after ingesting too many drugs and alcohol. However, it was ruled that her death was due to rape and homicide after being autopsied. That crime went unsolved for 20 years before the DNA match finally showed that Legge was the man who killed her.
01:00:18
Speaker
So how did they find her? Him exactly. In July, 2020, Samuel, like the third was charged with the murder of Julie Conkle. She was a 39 year old woman whose body was found behind an old senator's truck stop in Lake County. And that was, and her body was found in 1997. She'd been beaten and strangled to death. Sounds familiar. So why wasn't he charged until July, 2020? Oh, please tell me.
01:00:48
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Well, the reason why it took so long to put him on trial was because of his mental health issues. He was deemed unable to stand trial for his crimes residing in a behavioral health center in Ohio where he'd been involuntarily committed. In 2019, the judge gave prosecutors a one-year deadline to restore leg to competency so he could answer for his crime.
01:01:14
Speaker
Honestly, this guy's had a sketchy history with the cops and with the law for a really long time. Excuse me. The reports of his earlier encounters with police when I was reading them sounded a lot like schizophrenia. So he'd been arrested for trespassing in 2015 and just never showed up for his hearing. But when police went to find him, it was reported that he was found wandering around campgrounds or rural areas every time they went to find him.
01:01:44
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He was wandering in campgrounds, rural areas, walking aimlessly, very confused. He would start to speak very fast, switching topics in his sentence and was actually put into a group home due to his delusional behavior. And he continued to report that he had voices in his head. It was later determined that he was suffering from neurosyphilis as well as schizophrenia and delusions.
01:02:09
Speaker
Syphilis as in like Hitler. Yeah. Yeah nice And he had untreated syphilis which goes to your brain and causes a lot of issues there Well, so because of that Yeah, that's why there are only four cases that we've just all the cases we've discussed We've
Trial Challenges and Emotional Reflections
01:02:32
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discussed a couple there are only four that have actually been positively linked to leg aka dr. No
01:02:39
Speaker
as the killer, from everything I could find, I tried, I couldn't see where he actually ever stood trial for his crimes because he was not mentally competent. Matthew Rager ruled Monday, August 23rd, 2021 that he was incapable of assisting in his own defense and will continue to be held in a psychiatric facility. So without him being able to be questioned, interrogated,
01:03:09
Speaker
that kind of situation, you'll never know a complete list of Dr. No's victims. But that is the very twisted tale of Samuel Legs III, AKA Dr. No. Can I say something, Faith? Yeah. You should never, ever, ever, ever apologize when you get emotional in a case. It just makes you human. Well, I know, but it's still hard to talk through and I try to power through it and I can't.
01:03:40
Speaker
Yeah, but sometimes you can't. It's just like she looked for 20 years for her sister. Yeah. Never gave up. And then somebody's like, okay, a friend or a family member was like, oh, hey, I was watching TV and this is what they were doing. And she thought, you know what, why not? Yeah. And she did it and she found her sister. I'm just saying just between you and me and, you know, our, our five listeners. Hi, Bob. Don't, don't apply.
01:04:11
Speaker
And don't apologize for getting emotionally involved. I mean, some of the cases that we talk about, it's hard. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm emotionally, um, numb. And when you show emotion, doing, uh, doing these podcasts, it's not a bad thing. And I just don't, I don't want you to apologize, you know, excuse me. I'm about to lose my crap right now. Um,
01:04:41
Speaker
I'll go ahead and tell you, remember how I told you this is not the case I was going to do tonight, but we had to do this over the phone because you've got the plague and I'm going to Disney and I don't want the plague. Correct. So I switched my cases at the last minute. Yes. The case that I have to tell you next time I'm going to sob the whole way through, like a good portion of the way through. No way. Oh gosh. Well, no, I told you a couple of weeks ago that I had a case in mind that I was going to do. And I started in the research and I was like, no.
01:05:08
Speaker
No, I can't. I am not in a... I am not in the right mental state to be able to do this. I'm not mentally stable enough to be able to read and think about this. Yeah, yeah. I gotcha. So that's my case. And I literally had it on my roster of potential cases only because it reminded me of Joyride. You know what? It's actually really corny because
01:05:35
Speaker
the whole time you were sitting here telling me about that case. I was like, what was the name of that movie? What was the name of that movie? And then you brought it up. Candy Cane. Although the guy in that movie, the funny guy. Yeah. He's hilarious. I don't know his name, but I always thought he looked like Chad and I almost said his last name, so I'm glad I didn't. But the college guy, Chad, that we hung out with back in the day, I thought he looks like him.
01:06:05
Speaker
And he always was funny, but he kind of fell off the face of the planet. You did. So anyway, that's the story. I've got pictures. I'll post on our Instagram and Facebook. And, uh, yeah, that was a good one. You liked it. I did. I thought so. Well, I can't, I can't think of any torture that the guy needs though, only because we can't prove that it was actually him.
01:06:34
Speaker
Well, we can prove four of them. That's more than enough in my book. Um, I'm good with that. I honestly, I feel like he's being tortured enough by his own mind at this point, but when I originally heard this case and put it on my list, it was an unsolved case, which freaks me out because we drive overnight across the country all the time when we go on vacation. Yeah, but you know, like actual truck stops, right? But they stopped at rest areas and we stopped at those.
01:07:05
Speaker
Dude, go to McDonald's. That's what everybody does. Yeah, but when I knew about this case, it was during COVID and they aren't open 24 hours anymore. Too shame. So it freaked me out, but it was solved in 2020, 2021, so recently. So many things that I want to say, not enough time. So anyway, that's my story. It was a good story, Faith. Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I didn't.
01:07:35
Speaker
Oh, well. Oh, well. Yeah, that's bad. All right. Well, that's all for tonight. I hope you guys enjoyed the telling and the talking about the story, not the story itself, because it's horrible, but it's why you're here. You're that's why you're here. You're a little twisted like us. The pair of despair, the pair of despair. Right. Sometimes we get comical. Sometimes there's no jokes to be had. Sorry. Yeah, there weren't a lot of jokes in this. No, no, no.
01:08:04
Speaker
like none so yeah anyway well hope you guys have a good night and we'll talk to you again in a couple days heck yeah all right bye bye