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Body Shaming Men For Their Own Good
40 Plays4 years ago
Sometimes you have to shame these scrotes into having better physical health. Silencing women's sexual preferences is a tool of the patriarchy. Boyfriend D*ck. Period pieces depict female slavery. Bringing the male ego back down to reality.
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Addressing Criticism and Defining Standards
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What's up, queens?
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Welcome to the Female Dating Strategy Podcast, the meanest female-only podcast on the internet.
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I'm your host, Ro.
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And this is Savannah.
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And I'm Lola.
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So today we're going to address a common criticism of FDS, which is that we body shame men.
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And my response to that is, hell yeah, and we do not apologize.
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We regret nothing.
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Weirdly enough, both men and even some women
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We don't like FDS because we're seen as too mean and body shaming towards men because we believe that women should be able to have physical preferences or physical standards.
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And I want to start off by saying that some of the criticism that we get is not always in good faith or is not always accurate.
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There seems to be this idea that FDS promotes only one single ideal male body type.
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He has to be crazy tall, super sharp jaw, buff, full head of hair.
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The 666 thing.
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The 666 thing, right?
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Six foot, six inches.
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Men will try to negotiate down women's standards by saying things like, oh, only 5% of the population has all of these traits that you're looking for kind of thing.
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And so we want to, so I want to say straight out the gate that with FDS, we tell women to be honest with themselves about what they like as an individual.
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And that beauty is subjective.
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So let's start out from there.
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I can't tell you how many times I've seen a post on FDS where some woman expresses her personal sexual preferences and it gets shared all over Reddit.
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It gets shared all over Twitter.
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And then there's guys in the comments posting all sorts of insane statistics they've had on deck about how what she wants is like a minuscule portion of the population.
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And I'm like, why are you wasting your time on this?
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The thing about that is, I'm just wondering, are they trying to demoralize women out of fucking the guys we want to fuck?
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Yeah, that's it.
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They're basically like, you got to settle.
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I think that's it.
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Ding, ding, ding.
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Yeah.
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It's almost like the way they do this a lot when you talk about height.
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They start talking about how, oh, only 0.03% of the population is above six feet.
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And it's like... No, they're not.
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I see fucking tall guys all the time.
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It's like half the guys out there.
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I mean, do you know what I mean?
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Like, I see, like, men who are tall all the time, firstly.
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And, like, secondly, even if that is true, that's still, like, what's your point?
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People can have a preference that only includes, you know, one person in the world.
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They are entitled to have that preference.
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Yeah, like you could be like in the movie Practical Magic.
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Like, I only want to date a guy who has one blue eye and one green eye and knows how to flip pancakes and stuff.
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And was born on a Thursday.
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And was born on a Thursday.
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No matter how fucking ridiculous or, you know, even if you say, oh, that, you know, you have these standards and that person literally does not exist.
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It's like, first of all, he could.
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You never know that.
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And secondly, none of your business.
Societal Expectations and Gender Dynamics
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You're not hurting anyone by having physical standards.
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Yeah.
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And it sort of represents their lack of understanding of FDS.
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They seem to think that we are appealing to every single man out there, which is why you see these men sort of inserting themselves into our definition of high value.
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So, for example, they'll say...
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You know, your standards are unrealistic.
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You know, I wouldn't date you anyway.
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It's like, firstly, we wouldn't want to date you.
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Secondly, the whole point of FDS is to find a man that you're attracted to and who treats you well, which unfortunately seems to be a minority of men.
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I mean, so if our preferences exclude a lot of men, that's sort of the point.
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It's a minority of men partially because they don't put nearly as much effort in their appearance as a group as they should.
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Okay, can we pull over on this one and expand on this?
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Yes, pull over.
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Men tend to hyperfixate on the traits that they can't control so that they can blame women for being shallow rather than having to put any effort into becoming more attractive.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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Facts.
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Preach.
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Send me to church.
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So many times when we express a physical or sexual preference, men just look at that and they're like, oh, I guess I just have to give up or there's nothing I can do.
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Oh, so you just want me to die then?
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Or yeah, you're promoting eugenics by having sexual preferences.
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Or you're promoting male suicide.
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If you say, oh, I don't want to date short guys, then short guys will be like, oh, so you just want me to kill myself then?
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Nobody said that, but, you know.
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Like, that's on you.
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Like, so that's what you think.
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They're completely used to women lying or virtue signaling about the types of men they find attractive in a way that men never do for women, right?
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And that's the most frustrating part about having this discussion about physical attractiveness is because I think...
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And I don't know if it's just because of the manosphere, but for literally my entire life, it's been very, very clear what kinds of things men find sexually attractive.
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They talk about waist to hip ratio.
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They talk about breast size.
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They talk about they don't like women who are too muscular.
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They want women with long hair.
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Foot size, skin color, nipple size.
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Nipple size, nipple color.
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If it's size, shape, like the whole shebang.
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But if I get up here and I say, I prefer a man who has a trapezoid body shape, then I'm body shaming men who are round and I'm body shaming.
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And you're into eugenics as well.
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Don't forget that.
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You're into eugenics.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I'm into eugenics and I want all the men who don't have that to die.
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And I'm promoting the suicide rate among young men and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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Men are so fucking hysterical.
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Like, they just catastrophize women's standards.
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Actually, as an aside, I just want to pull over and, like, state definitions real quick.
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Because the word high-value men gets thrown a lot on the internet.
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I think because value is subjective.
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I think when FDS, when we say, like, oh, a high-value man wouldn't do that, or a high-value man wouldn't treat you badly, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Men listen to that and they fucking laugh because in their mind, they think, men think that a high value man is a man who is tall, attractive, who gets lots of women, who's probably very rich.
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And they think, in their mind, they think that type of man is allowed to treat women badly.
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And so I want to be clear with FDS.
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For us, a high value man is someone that adds value to the individual woman's life, right?
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So a man could be high value to one woman and not be high value to another woman.
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Again, because value is subjective.
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So when we say a man is high value, or even if we say a man is low value, it's not like a death sentence if we say a man is low value.
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Like there are things that you can do to improve yourself.
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And just because you're low value to one woman might not mean that you're, you could be, they could be higher value to another woman.
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But certain things are deal breakers, right?
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So being lazy or lazy is always low value, right?
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Treating women badly, always low value.
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Generally our definitions of high value and low value
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center on character issues, right?
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So when we talk about like majority of the time, yeah, majority of the time, like 90%, but then keeping physically fit, eating healthy, showering, showering, wiping your ass, wiping your ass, just hygiene, putting effort in your appearance.
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I mean, those are things that are also habits, dressing like an adult man and not a toddler, right?
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Those are
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are habits, right?
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Those are habits.
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Those are you investing in your physical attractiveness to the opposite sex, which the opposite sex generally finds attractive.
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And women tend to know that.
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So women tend to invest at least something into their physical appearance to be sexually attractive to men.
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But it seems like there is no reciprocation, or at least not even close to the amount of reciprocation needed coming from
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the male half of the species.
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So some of the corrective body shaming that some of the body shaming that FDS does is actually corrective in the sense of men need to know that women have physical standards and we need to start enforcing said physical standards.
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And to the extent that they can meet them, they should meet them.
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You obviously can't do anything about your height, but you can go to a department store and learn how to dress for your body type, right?
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Or
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Like they do stuff like that for free, right?
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You can literally go to like the men's department and get, I think they do measuring for men, similar to how they do bra fitting for women in like female department stores.
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You can go to department stores and get these services done.
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You can go to a barber and have them cut your hair a certain way.
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You know, barber, like comparatively going to a barber is nowhere near as expensive as it is for women to get their haircut.
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So when I just see guys walking around with like the super cuts, like bowl haircut, I'm like, you didn't even try.
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Right.
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The $5 super cuts haircut.
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Yeah.
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If you're still going there and you're not a child anymore, then, you know, you're making a decision to not invest in your physical appearance in a way that's going to be attractive to women.
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Yeah.
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And I do want to point out that a lot of attractiveness isn't even necessarily about, um,
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Like genetics, a lot of it is about effort.
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And a lot of it is also about wealth.
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Let's just be real, right?
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You know, there's the line like, you're not ugly, you're just poor.
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And I know that some people say it's like classist or mean of me to say that.
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But if a guy like can't literally cannot afford to like be attractive.
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Like, I don't want to date him.
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I'm sorry.
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Like, I do have income requirements as well, which are also perfectly valid for women to have.
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But it just doesn't cost as much for men to be attractive.
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As women, yeah, true.
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Yeah, true.
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Consider the pink test.
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That's why there's not as much sympathy here, because the pink test for women...
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In addition to our differing biological functions, which makes us have to spend money on things like pads and tampons and a lot more toilet paper, et cetera, et cetera, like things that women have to pay for to invest in our just basic hygiene.
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Men, as I see it, they don't even spend as much on basic hygiene as we do.
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If they were to just like spend as much as we spend on basic hygiene and put it into their appearance, then they would be a lot closer to us than they are.
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But as of right now, they're not doing any of that.
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Yeah.
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Okay, controversial take.
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Okay, I actually think it should be the norm for men to get hair transplant surgery when they start going bald.
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And a lot of guys will be like, oh, but it's expensive.
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It's like $10,000 to $20,000, blah, blah, blah.
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And I'm like, guess what?
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Women will probably spend at least that much on their hair over the course of their lifetime.
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So for women, the cost is more spread out over the course of their lifetime, but we're still spending a lot of money on our hair, right?
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And, you know, you look at Machine Gun Kelly, he used to be going bald and he was not that attractive back then.
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Now he's dating Megan Fox after getting hair transplant surgery.
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So every man, if he was responsible, he would save up his entire life.
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A smart man would have a savings account and save up his entire life for when he starts going bald.
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I'm conflicted on that because you'll end up with the LeBron James hairline.
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And also not all bald men, old caveat, are unattractive.
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I think that would be that hair transplants is a...
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is a potential avenue so to speak if you if he's insecure about going bald and he's and he's taking it out on women for not finding him attractive if that makes sense but if he's just cool with going bald and he's happy to rock his you know to rock the look then i guess more power to him
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Yeah, some guys will shave their head when they start going bald.
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Honestly, more power to them.
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But I just don't think baldness is attractive.
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I have really, really long hair.
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I think hair is an important signifier of health and just overall attractiveness in men as well.
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If I have long, beautiful, amazing, flowing hair, I want a man to have a full head of hair too.
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And I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation because I hold myself, any standard that I have for men, I hold myself to the same standard.
00:12:29
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Yeah, one of the tenets of FDS is that we don't standard shame.
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So whatever you personally find sexually attractive and want, we don't tell women they're not allowed to find that sexually attractive.
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So it doesn't really matter if men find it shallow or not.
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It is what it is.
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It is what it is.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And there's this weird dynamic where whenever a woman says like, oh, I actually do prefer men who are tall, rich and handsome.
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And then other women
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are like, I don't know why, but some women just react negatively to that.
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I do see these on the comments for unflared users on Reddit where they say things like, you know, women will be like, well, personally, I actually prefer shorter men or personally, I actually prefer men with smaller penises and will attack the women who have the higher standard.
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But it never goes the other way, right?
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Except for an FDS.
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Like, we'll only attack women for having lower standards.
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Yeah.
00:13:20
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No, I'm kidding.
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Right.
00:13:21
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And that's very deliberate.
00:13:22
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It was a very deliberate setup by the original mods to encourage women to be honest about what they are sexually attracted to rather than do that endless virtue signaling where one woman says she likes something that other women feel is too outrageous or too.
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Or like she doesn't deserve it.
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She doesn't deserve it.
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And just understand that's a tool of patriarchy, right?
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They're getting women to police other women's sexual attraction triggers and sexual and what they find to be sexually attractive in a way that you just never see men do.
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Yeah.
00:13:53
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If a man says he wants a hot supermodel, blonde, huge tits, every single other guy around would be like, yeah, you deserve that, bro.
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Like they would never tear them down for wanting a more attractive woman.
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They would pump each other up.
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They're allowed to just have their sexual preferences and just have them be what they are.
00:14:08
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And to be honest, it's not even just them having their sexual preferences.
00:14:13
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A lot of times they go out of their way to shame and antagonize women who don't meet said sexual preferences, right?
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Or who they feel don't deserve the partners that they get if they are not what this particular man feels is attractive.
00:14:26
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Case in point, I had kind of a joke on my Twitter.
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There's this...
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woman who is a fitness model and she just posted her 16 year anniversary.
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Now I know nothing about their relationship.
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So this was just me trying to be funny, but I retweeted it because her husband's like a little bit chunky.
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And I said, he's fucking morbidly obese.
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He's, he's big, he's big, especially compared to her and her being an actual, at least like 300 pounds, like minimum her being an actual fitness model.
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So she's beautiful.
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Yeah.
00:14:57
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So I was like, is it okay for a woman to cheat if her husband gets out of shape?
00:15:02
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Because women are visual creatures and him walking around like that as a reflection of her, because you see, because you see the opposite on Twitter all the time where a celebrity or someone famous or not even, not even famous.
00:15:13
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Sometimes if you just see a wedding photo and the woman's bigger than the man, a lot of times you'll see guys in the comments talking about how this woman doesn't deserve a man like that just because she's bigger.
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Yeah, men will be so fucking ruthless to other men who are dating overweight
Historical Context and Societal Norms
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women.
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Like, just see how men treat Pierce Brosnan, right?
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Like, Pierce Brosnan married a woman when she was thin.
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I can't remember the name of his wife, but... Oh, yeah.
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Keely Shay.
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Yeah.
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And so she's a little overweight now, but she's still, like... Her face is still beautiful.
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She still dresses great.
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And he's still in love with her, and he still thinks she's beautiful.
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But people are so fucking mean.
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Or look at Keanu Reeves, right?
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Another guy that...
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for some reason, scrotes idolize him.
00:15:54
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Uh, you know, he's dating an age appropriate woman and she has gray hair and they're all saying like, all the men online are reeing, being like, reee!
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He should be dating a young hot supermodel.
00:16:05
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I don't know.
00:16:08
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Yeah.
00:16:08
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So men police each other to have higher standards, but men, women police each other to have lower standards.
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Correct.
00:16:16
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Isn't that weird?
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Yeah.
00:16:18
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So what FDS does is we subvert that norm where we police women to have higher standards.
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standards, right?
00:16:26
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If anything, if we're doing any policing, it's that we're telling them that it's okay to have sexual attraction to attractive men, obviously.
00:16:34
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Part of this ethos, I think, led to the now defunct Fine as Fuck Friday flair that was on the subreddit.
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Yeah.
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So...
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Months back, some of the mods decided to introduce a flair called Fine As Fuck Fridays, where women could post pictures of their ideal body type, men that they found sexually attractive.
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And then on Friday, we would just basically all swoon over them.
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It was super mild stuff as well.
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So it wasn't like we were getting guys with their dicks out.
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It was sometimes it was a guy who was topless or just it was a it was a guy in a nice suit or he was just like... Most of the time they were fully clothed and it was just a picture of their face.
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They were fully clothed.
00:17:19
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Yeah.
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But people on other subreddits or even within the subreddit just went off and just started comparing it to porn.
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I find it ridiculous the double standards.
00:17:28
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An attractive man who's fully clothed is seen as porn, but there's all these fucking subreddits of women being degraded and violently abused during sex, and those are seen as equivalent.
00:17:41
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It just goes to show just like, you know, you and Ro have just been saying just how much, you know, women's sexuality is policed.
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If people found it offensive that a group of women were coming together to say, oh, this man's attractive.
00:17:58
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And it wasn't even like, and the comments weren't even like, you know how on these subreddits, which, you know, men go on, they're so vulgar and disgusting and,
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in their comments.
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I mean, we weren't saying like, oh, I want to sit on his face and he's going to make me cum.
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It wasn't anything like that.
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It was just saying how he's got a nice smile or he's so hot.
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Just really, really mild in comparison.
00:18:19
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And yeah, it just triggered a lot of people, both men and women.
00:18:23
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And men comments will be like, oh yeah, I want to cum on her face.
00:18:27
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I want her to take it up the ass.
00:18:29
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Yeah.
00:18:29
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Like that's how men talk about women who they find attractive.
00:18:32
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I mean, that's even mild for Reddit, to be honest.
00:18:35
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That's mild stuff.
00:18:37
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And comparatively, there was a lot more women in the comments as well who felt like they were being exposed to this.
00:18:45
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Or they felt... They were very, very viscerally reactive to Fine as Fuck Fridays because they felt like betrayed by FDS or that FDS was forcing them to look at attractive men, apparently.
00:18:56
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Even though I think there was a spoiler on all of the Fine as Fuck Friday posts that if you didn't want to look at it, you didn't have to.
00:19:02
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But I thought it was really, really interesting how women got offended at...
00:19:07
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the idea that other women found some of these men sexually attractive.
00:19:11
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Yeah.
00:19:12
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I still don't, I still can't completely wrap my head around it because some of the women were complaining that they thought it was like a dope, they thought it was like, uh, outside of FDS is normal ethos to have sexual preferences or look at men in a sexual way.
00:19:27
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And I'm like, I don't think you understood FDS then.
00:19:31
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Like, they were talking about, like, oh, we need to de-center men and stuff.
00:19:33
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And while FDS, we do tell women that they should center themselves and other women and men should be an addition to an already great life and not be the center of your focus.
00:19:45
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At the same time, like, you know, if you're heterosexual...
00:19:49
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you know, you're going to find men attractive.
00:19:52
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So, you know, I will admit I was skeptical about the concept of Fine as Fuck Fridays.
00:20:00
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But then I realized like the importance of it, right?
00:20:03
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Because so many women have been brainwashed their entire lives to think that there's something shameful about being attracted to attract
00:20:11
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attractive men or that they have to, or that, you know, if they like a guy with a six pack, that they're shallow and a bad person and they have to be attracted to unattractive men, uh, in order to be like a good person.
00:20:22
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So I think it's valuable and an important exercise for women to be honest with themselves about what they find sexually attractive.
00:20:29
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Um, but the reaction to find his fuck Fridays was so overboard to me.
00:20:33
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It just seemed completely disproportionate to, to what we were doing.
00:20:38
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Yeah.
00:20:38
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So for a long time, the problem that women had was that they had to get married in order to functionally exist in society because women weren't allowed to own a bank account or own credit cards, et cetera, et cetera.
00:20:51
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So getting married was a way for women to be taken care of.
00:20:55
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And so in order to get women married off...
00:20:58
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All of society was collectively invested in telling women that their sexual preferences were not important because if they wanted to be taken care of properly, then they had to compromise on something.
00:21:09
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And most of the time it was probably looks, right?
00:21:12
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So for a long time in a lot of different countries, and you can still see this today, the importance of women getting married is more important than women being attracted to their spouse or even compatibility.
00:21:22
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The concept of romantic love has kind of been present, but it's always...
00:21:27
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There was always an expectation that women grow into it, that they grow to be attracted to their spouse, that they grow to find love with their spouse, but that for most of the time, women were expected to look for things like security first, and then their sexual attraction was a secondary trait.
00:21:45
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And so what FDS is saying is that, no, you have a right to your sexual preferences.
00:21:50
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You need to assert your sexual preferences.
00:21:53
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It's okay.
00:21:54
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You're supposed to, right?
00:21:56
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And that any attempt to thwart someone's sexual preferences or say that they're less important is a way of suppressing women's sexuality and making us feel bad or that we have to choose men in the old way, which is choose men totally based on security who we would never be shacked up with if it wasn't for patriarchal forces forcing us to be with them.
00:22:14
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Yeah.
00:22:17
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Yeah, just look at every period drama ever where women are, you know, in a situation where they're in love with the, you know, the hot stable boy or whatever, but he can't financially provide for her.
00:22:27
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And so she has to marry some old, ugly guy who has money.
00:22:32
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And like on her wedding day, she's just like sobbing buckets because...
00:22:37
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You know, she can't be with her true love or whatever.
00:22:41
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She can't be with a guy that she thinks is actually hot.
00:22:45
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And so because women no longer, you know, rely on men financially, we can choose the men that we actually like now.
00:22:53
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What I find interesting about those movies as well is that they always kind of make it seem like the woman is overreacting.
00:23:00
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Have you noticed that?
00:23:01
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Yeah.
00:23:01
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Yeah.
00:23:02
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Because I love period pieces like that and period dramas, but they always make it seem like the woman who wants to marry the broke stable boy is irrational, overreacting.
00:23:12
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But it's like you're asking a woman or stupid.
00:23:15
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Yeah, or stupid.
00:23:15
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You're asking a woman to sign up for 40 years of sexual slavery to a man she's not attracted to.
00:23:22
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They don't really explicitly say that in those movies, so I think it sometimes gives the impression that it's not as severe as the woman's reaction.
00:23:32
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But a lot of women, rather than do that, would try to commit suicide.
00:23:37
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I mean, because the idea is that you're literally going to have to bear children for a man you're repulsed by and have sex with a man you're repulsed by for possibly decades.
00:23:45
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Like, that is sexual slavery.
00:23:47
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That's patriarchy.
00:23:48
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Just lie back and think of England.
00:23:50
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Yeah.
00:23:50
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Yeah.
00:23:51
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And you could possibly die trying to bear this ugly man's children who you don't even like.
00:23:56
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I actually have this theory that the reason why... Has anyone else noticed the average woman is so much more attractive than the average man?
00:24:05
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People say that women are committing eugenics if we want to date tall men, but I actually think that men have been committing a form of eugenics or a form of sexual selection against women.
00:24:16
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for as long as patriarchy has been a thing.
00:24:18
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Because men choose attractive women, right?
00:24:21
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Like men generally want to date and marry and have kids with attractive women.
00:24:26
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And so...
00:24:27
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female attractiveness has been selected for over the past several thousand years.
00:24:31
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And that's why women are so beautiful and amazing.
00:24:34
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But since any man with some money or some property or whatever has been able to reproduce regardless of his actual physical attractiveness, male physical attractiveness was not selected for as much in the past several thousand years.
00:24:48
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So I think that...
00:24:50
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It's about leveling the playing field, right?
00:24:53
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Like both men and women have sexual attraction and engage in sexual selection.
00:24:59
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As we should.
00:24:59
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That's how it's supposed to work.
00:25:01
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The reason why it doesn't work that way or hasn't worked that way is because of patriarchy, which we, and the forced compulsion towards marriage, which we keep explaining is affirmative action for men.
00:25:12
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It's to make sure these bottom barrel dudes who women wouldn't choose have a chance so they don't completely decimate society.
00:25:19
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Yeah.
00:25:19
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And it's actually for the health of humans as a species, I think.
00:25:25
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I don't know.
00:25:25
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I just feel like a lot of, a lot of so many like
00:25:29
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men out there.
00:25:30
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I just feel like they should have never been allowed to exist.
00:25:32
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Like they're, I'm looking at their dads and I'm just like, really?
00:25:36
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Like, that's it.
00:25:40
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I don't have anything else to say.
00:25:41
Speaker
I'm like, really?
00:25:41
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A woman shows you at some point.
00:25:43
Speaker
Um,
00:25:45
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And you know, the funny thing is even incels will complain.
00:25:48
Speaker
They'll say like that they hate their mom for marrying their dad and having kids with their dad who was short.
00:25:55
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So they'll, they're not even hating their dad for being short.
00:25:58
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They're hating their mom for choosing a short guy.
00:25:59
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And they're like, ah, my mom cursed me to be short.
00:26:02
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And now I can't date women.
00:26:04
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And none of these bitches are letting me fuck them.
00:26:06
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Life is so unfair and horrible.
00:26:08
Speaker
And it's like,
00:26:09
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Why do you hate your mom for choosing a short guy, but then you're also hostile to other women for not choosing a short guy, right?
00:26:17
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Like...
00:26:18
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You know, do you want the same fate to happen to your son?
00:26:21
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And this is also a thing which I don't quite understand about the whole like shallow argument is that surely it makes more sense to discriminate on something that a person like can't change.
00:26:33
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Because if you think about it, something like weight, you know, never mind the fact that men are horrendously bad at guessing women's weight.
00:26:40
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Yeah.
00:26:42
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But, you know, something like weight can change, it can fluctuate.
00:26:45
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And also two people can weigh exactly the same, but look very different based on their diet, genetics, training, etc, etc.
00:26:52
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Right.
00:26:53
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But if some if a guy is, you know, five foot three, he will never be over six feet.
00:26:59
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It's not going to change.
00:27:00
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So therefore, it actually makes more sense to discriminate based on something that someone can't change.
00:27:07
Speaker
Is it fair?
00:27:07
Speaker
Well, no, but sexual selection isn't fair.
00:27:11
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And, you know, if you are into a particular trait that a person can't, I mean, there is like height...
00:27:18
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There is height surgery now, but it's extremely expensive and very painful.
00:27:22
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Again, the scrotes were crying about that as well.
00:27:25
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But anyway, but and they were actually trying to say like, oh, women can get breast implants easier than I can change my height.
00:27:33
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And I was like, that's really not flex.
00:27:35
Speaker
Yeah, but breast implants are also associated with a ton of health complications, right?
00:27:41
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So when they say that, it's like they're saying, oh, you can risk your life on an unnecessary surgery to be more sexually attractive to the opposite sex.
00:27:51
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Yeah, I don't see that as... They're acting like women are privileged because we can slash have to get all these unnecessary dangerous procedures to be attractive to them.
00:28:01
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And it's like...
Variety in Preferences and Physical Standards
00:28:02
Speaker
Welcome to our world, bitch.
00:28:04
Speaker
Like, I don't know.
00:28:05
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That's why I don't feel any sympathy for him.
00:28:07
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Yeah, I have such a hard time with men complaining when women express physical standards, especially on FDA.
00:28:18
Speaker
And with that, it was interesting to see after we retired the Finest Fuck Friday flares, there were still some people that were actually fans of it.
00:28:26
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And on our Patreon Discord, we actually had several people request that we bring back Finest Fuck as a channel.
00:28:33
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So it's kind of interesting to see the difference between the general population and the subreddit and then the FDSers who actually invested in our brand and seemed to actually really, really get the importance of having sexual standards and who date and have...
00:28:47
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an idea of what their prototypical man is and not to fret.
00:28:52
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If you're a man and you feel like you don't, you know, you may or may not live up to some women's physical standards.
00:28:58
Speaker
Like women do have varied sexual attractiveness triggers.
00:29:03
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And they also have varying things on men's body that they find sexually attractive.
00:29:07
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There are obviously like trends towards certain things.
00:29:09
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Obviously like height is one of the, one of the items that women tend to find universally attractive, but yeah,
00:29:17
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I do find it interesting that other than that, body type is very different between the kinds of body types that women prefer.
00:29:24
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I actually dropped a body shape chart into the Discord, which showed the different types of body shapes that men can have.
00:29:32
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And women, you might be familiar with this kind of body shaping if you've ever seen like the apple shape, pear shape, inverted spoon.
00:29:39
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If you've seen those, like they're usually sent around to help women learn how to dress for their body type.
00:29:44
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Well, they do have body shaping charts for men.
00:29:48
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And it's something that is not as widely known, but I dropped in the discord and then we started to kind of.
00:29:54
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come up with a consensus of what each woman found personally attractive or what body type they found personally attractive.
00:30:00
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And it seems a lot of women liked the trapezoid or the square shape, but there was a lot of other women who liked things like inverted triangle.
00:30:07
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It's basically like your shoulder to hip ratio in men.
00:30:10
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Your shoulder waist and then hip ratio.
00:30:12
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So for some men, their shoulders are a lot bigger than their hips and waist.
00:30:17
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And so they'd be a triangle back
00:30:18
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body type their shoulder you know their their waist might be midway between their shoulders and their hips so they have a trapezoid body type so there's just a lot of variation and physical body shapes that women actually do find attractive but since men don't get dissected to that detail usually they have this they have this over fixation on height right because there's other things about a man's body that women might find attractive besides their height yeah exactly yeah
00:30:45
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For me, admittedly, height is not the most important physical trait for me personally.
00:30:50
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Again, I'm not going to say like women out here have to be dating shortmen, but I have dated shortmen.
00:30:56
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And in fact, one of the guys, one of the scrotes I recently added to my pipeline was,
00:31:01
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My screw-up pipeline is the same height as me.
00:31:06
Speaker
And so to me, height is not the most, again, for me personally, height is not the most important thing.
00:31:12
Speaker
I like when a guy is height.
00:31:12
Speaker
It's like a bonus, but it's not a requirement.
00:31:15
Speaker
To me also, again, the point being that attractiveness is subjective.
00:31:21
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One of the things I actually like about guys who are a similar height to me is that I don't like how much, much taller men can use their sort of physical size to intimidate me.
00:31:33
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Like I had, I broke up with a guy, the guy that I was dating while I found FDS actually, like when I was trying to break up with him, he like physically restrained me and wouldn't let me leave, like wouldn't let me leave the house.
00:31:47
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And at the time, like we were a similar height and I was a little bit overweight at the time.
00:31:52
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So I had like probably 50 pounds on him and he was skinny.
00:31:55
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So I just like shoulder checked him into the doorframe.
00:31:57
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I was like, I don't give a fuck.
00:31:58
Speaker
I'm out of here.
00:31:59
Speaker
And so, um, yeah.
00:32:00
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So like, that's kind of one of the upsides of maybe it's like guys are the same height as you is that they can't push you around.
00:32:08
Speaker
Um, like they physically can't, um,
00:32:12
Speaker
But yeah, so the point being that like not all women like the exact same things, although some women do like, I don't know, like there are certain trends.
00:32:20
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Yeah, that that men notice that they get sad about.
00:32:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:25
Speaker
And truth be told, I don't like men who are a lot taller than me because sexually things don't always line up well.
00:32:32
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:32:33
Speaker
That's a fair point.
00:32:34
Speaker
That's a fair point.
00:32:35
Speaker
And it's just a full-on sexual preference.
00:32:37
Speaker
Like, I don't like if I'm standing and, like, my face is just directly in their belly button, right?
00:32:44
Speaker
That's not as fun for me.
00:32:46
Speaker
And you can't really do, like, 69.
00:32:48
Speaker
And if you're trying to do doggy style, you end up having to be at some... You know, you have to have your feet, like, significantly off the floor.
00:32:55
Speaker
They have to be crouching.
00:32:56
Speaker
Yeah, you've got to get a pillow.
00:32:57
Speaker
In order to get things that line up sexually to get, like, the right angle.
00:33:01
Speaker
So...
00:33:02
Speaker
There is like a point of diminishing returns when it comes to men's height.
00:33:06
Speaker
Can you tell I fucked a super tall guy once?
00:33:08
Speaker
It's a really long femur, yeah.
00:33:11
Speaker
Yeah, there is a point of diminishing returns for me when it comes to men's height.
00:33:15
Speaker
Like there's almost like a range of height, but if you're talking like...
00:33:18
Speaker
you know, NBA player size, like maybe like six, four and above, then it gets weird.
00:33:24
Speaker
But I would even say like even smaller than that is fine for me.
00:33:27
Speaker
Meaning there's, there's a range of height that's fine.
00:33:29
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And then above certain, which like, which it seems more attractive when you look at them from a distance, meaning you're looking at a super tall man and you're like, man, that's sexy.
00:33:37
Speaker
But then when you actually get to the physical sexual part of it, it's just not as fun.
00:33:42
Speaker
Because you can't do as many things with a person who's that much taller than you.
00:33:46
Speaker
I think I'm the same as you, Ro.
00:33:47
Speaker
I've got like a massive contradiction.
00:33:49
Speaker
I do like taller men, but I hate feeling short at the same time.
00:33:53
Speaker
I just don't like that.
00:33:55
Speaker
make up your mind woman so you guys are gonna listen to this and be like women don't know if they want i just i mean i like the idea of a tall guy on paper i like seeing them but then when i'm next to them i just don't like feeling short like i'm the tallest female in my family and i'm like the same height as my dad so i like being tall um or feeling tall anyway but when a guy's like a lot taller than me i'm just like no
00:34:22
Speaker
You know, Gary the snail.
00:34:24
Speaker
That's what I feel like in SpongeBob.
00:34:26
Speaker
Like from SpongeBob.
00:34:28
Speaker
So just like there's boyfriend dick, there's boyfriend height.
00:34:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:32
Speaker
What's boyfriend dick?
00:34:33
Speaker
You've heard of the concept of boyfriend dick.
00:34:34
Speaker
So boyfriend.
00:34:35
Speaker
So there is this Twitter post a while ago of this woman saying, I don't know.
00:34:41
Speaker
Actually, I don't know if it was Twitter or Reddit, but there was a post that was around a while ago that was circulating that men were basically, again, re-eating over where a woman was expressing that she liked that her boyfriend wasn't too big.
00:34:52
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She's like, I like that you're not too big in size because it would be uncomfortable for me to try to have sex with you all the time if you had a massive dick.
00:34:59
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You have what I like to call boyfriend dick, so it's an optimal size range for her.
00:35:03
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And I was like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense because...
00:35:06
Speaker
Sport fucking guys with big dicks is great, but then it can be a chore because you have to be so wet to continuously fuck a guy who's way bigger than your vaginal capacity would suggest, right?
00:35:21
Speaker
But yeah, a boyfriend dick is a guy you can have sex with and it'll be reasonably comfortable for you even if you're not completely and totally lubricated all the time.
00:35:31
Speaker
Even though we totally suggest that that be the default to how you have sex instead of trying to let
00:35:36
Speaker
Men feel like, oh, it's okay for it only be partially arise before they shove it in.
00:35:39
Speaker
But the idea being being or the idea that they're trying to nuke is that a man with a bigger dick is necessarily better.
00:35:47
Speaker
But men heard that and they started to have a meltdown, right?
00:35:51
Speaker
Because...
00:35:52
Speaker
They said that that was trying to destroy his ego, that she was negging him, that she was trying to make him have low self-esteem.
00:36:00
Speaker
But I can see that being a situation where she meant it as a genuine compliment, but because men equate having a big dick with being the most sexually virulent or the most sexually pleasurable for women, that they didn't understand what she was saying.
00:36:13
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Yeah, so big dicks are fun for sport fucking.
00:36:15
Speaker
So I'm not saying that they're not attractive and that they can't be fun.
00:36:19
Speaker
I'm just saying for regular use, women tend to like a smaller range.
00:36:24
Speaker
Or more moderate range, yeah.
00:36:26
Speaker
Yeah, let me rephrase that.
00:36:28
Speaker
I don't want to say smaller range.
00:36:30
Speaker
A more moderate to large range.
00:36:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:34
Speaker
Just not humongous.
00:36:36
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's maybe because men watch too much porn.
00:36:38
Speaker
They have this idea that bigger is better.
00:36:40
Speaker
And like, again, this is another example of women and men having different ideas about what makes men attractive and men projecting their own shit onto what they think women find attractive when we actually don't.
00:36:54
Speaker
Men have this like linear view, like the bigger the penis, the more attractive or the better he is or whatever, or the more of a man he is.
00:37:00
Speaker
And it's like past a certain size.
00:37:02
Speaker
Yeah, you do get diminishing returns.
00:37:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:06
Speaker
Still good for once in a while, though.
00:37:10
Speaker
Men know that women are attracted to attractive men, but because they don't meet those standards, it makes them sad.
00:37:18
Speaker
So they want women to virtue signal.
00:37:20
Speaker
But then when they actually see what women's real behavior is and real choices that we make on online dating or dating and so on, and it doesn't
00:37:30
Speaker
align with that virtue signaling or what they've been told their whole lives, it causes them to be more bitter towards women.
00:37:35
Speaker
So I think men would actually have a healthier attitude towards women in dating if they just accepted the fact that women like attractive men, just like how men like attractive women, right?
00:37:46
Speaker
Oh, that was the other point is men always say, whenever we talk about our physical standards, men always say, oh, so does that mean that I'm supposed to like women with small boobs?
00:37:57
Speaker
Or, you know, what if I had a preference for a woman's weight?
00:38:01
Speaker
And it's like...
00:38:02
Speaker
Yeah, you're a lot men are allowed to have physical standards, too.
00:38:05
Speaker
And in fact, they're they do.
00:38:06
Speaker
We can't stop you.
00:38:07
Speaker
We can't stop.
00:38:08
Speaker
They're going to have physical standards no matter what.
00:38:10
Speaker
Right.
00:38:11
Speaker
So even if women stopped having physical standards, it's not like that would cause men to be more magnanimous and less sexually selective.
00:38:18
Speaker
Right.
00:38:19
Speaker
We're just leveling the playing field.
00:38:21
Speaker
What's been interesting to read.
00:38:24
Speaker
in the manosphere is just how many men apparently didn't know that women have physical sexual standards.
00:38:32
Speaker
A lot of these guys thought that they were going to get women on the strength of their personality alone, that, oh, women like funny guys.
00:38:38
Speaker
And...
00:38:40
Speaker
A lot of women do like funny guys, but the subtext is that you have to also be sexually attractive to her.
00:38:45
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And again, I think it's because it was not something that women were ever allowed to express out loud in generations past because they had to get married.
00:38:53
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So they had to virtue signal.
00:38:54
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They had to pretend like that boring old saggy bald scrote that had the good job and could put them up in a nice house is who they were really sexually attracted to.
00:39:03
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And so a lot of men now are realizing that the...
00:39:08
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the curve that their grandfathers got women on is now rapidly flattening.
00:39:13
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Right.
00:39:14
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So now they're having to actually be likable to women, having to actually be sexually attractive to women.
00:39:20
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And a lot of them are failing.
00:39:22
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And in the, in the midst of that failure, the manosphere came about where they gave them like a sliver of truth about the kinds of things that women find attractive.
00:39:31
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One of the biggest things was they tell these guys to lift weights and hit the gym.
Body Positivity and Media Influence
00:39:36
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And that, uh,
00:39:38
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getting into physical activity would make them more confident and therefore more sexually attractive to women.
00:39:43
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So the red pill is full of a bunch of other pseudoscience and ideology, but that alone probably worked enough for enough men for it to actually be successful for them to look at the red pill as a successful ideology, even though a lot of the other things that they purport are horseshit, but just alone telling them, hey, get up and hit the jib.
00:40:03
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Hey, take good pictures of yourself when you put them on Tinder.
00:40:06
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Hey, don't be a whiny, annoying person.
00:40:08
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Like actually talk to women and don't, you know, emotionally dump on them.
00:40:12
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And, and also you have guys like Jordan Peterson coming in and being like, take responsibility for your life, clean your room,
00:40:18
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basic adult standards that should be obvious, to be honest with you, that was not relayed to men, or at least men weren't being pressured or they weren't getting messages in large society that they had to do these things to be sexually attractive to women because it may not have been necessary for generations past.
00:40:35
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They're now getting that message and a lot of them are angry and resentful.
00:40:39
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And instead of just responding and being like, okay, this is what women like, they're coaching it in like a heavy amount of misogyny and hatred towards women for having
00:40:47
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sexual standards we've always had, but we're never allowed to express before.
00:40:52
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Yeah.
00:40:52
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I think a lot of guys go overboard with the weightlifting though.
00:40:55
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That's another thing where another area where I think men think that women find something attractive, but actually only men think it's attractive.
00:41:03
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Like it's kind of a meme almost within the bodybuilder community that, um, the most compliments that guys get about their physique is actually from other men and that some women just don't like, you know, bodybuilder type, like huge beefy guys.
00:41:17
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But see, they don't know the difference between the huge, beefy guys and then, like, the regularly cut, nicely built guys, right?
00:41:25
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So there is a difference between, like, the guys that look like they're obviously on steroids and they have, like, veins and muscles and they look like their muscles are popping out of their skin.
00:41:35
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Generally, women aren't going to find that as attractive as a man who's fit but somewhat attractive.
00:41:40
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lean or somewhat normal size.
00:41:42
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Like, I mean, my prototype is probably someone like Jason Momoa.
00:41:46
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I think when he's in good shape, his body's absolutely perfect.
00:41:48
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That may not be achievable to get that big for the average guy, but he's also not like bodybuilder status.
00:41:54
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Like the rock is right now.
00:41:55
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Cause the rock is like so ripped.
00:41:57
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He's starting to look weird.
00:41:59
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Like a roided, roided out of penis basically.
00:42:04
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Cause he's so veiny and thick.
00:42:06
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I think there's a diminishing returns in the bodybuilding thing where you can get so big that it does become a little bit less attractive to women.
00:42:12
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But a lot of men don't even get to the first plateau, right?
00:42:15
Speaker
They don't get lean.
00:42:16
Speaker
They don't get a reason about a muscle.
00:42:18
Speaker
They don't even get to like the higher end of the muscle that a lot of women find sexually attractive.
00:42:21
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And then they look at it and they say, oh, women don't like muscly guys because they're comparing themselves to some guy who's been weightlifting for 20 years and take steroids that women may not find sexually attractive.
00:42:33
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And they use it as an excuse not to try.
00:42:35
Speaker
Yeah, that's another example of like past a certain point, there's diminishing returns, right?
00:42:41
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Yeah, like to me, the ideal body type is a guy who has some muscle, not a crazy amount, and who's either lean or has a little bit of body fat, but isn't obese either.
00:42:52
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So I don't like guys who are too skinny or who are too buff or who are too fat, but somewhere in the middle.
00:42:58
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that's, that's pretty, that's like what I find ideal.
00:43:01
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Uh, but yeah, I do like a guy who has like a slender lean physique.
00:43:07
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Yeah.
00:43:07
Speaker
And there's, there's multiple ways to be fit,
00:43:10
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Right.
00:43:11
Speaker
It's not like there's one body type.
00:43:13
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If you look at athletes in different sports, they have different body types and different physiques that are preferred.
00:43:18
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Obviously, if you play in the NBA, being tall and lean is preferred.
00:43:22
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Although increasingly you're seeing these guys put on a lot of muscle as well.
00:43:24
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But a lot of the best NBA players, guys like Kevin Durant, they're extremely skinny.
00:43:28
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Mm-hmm.
00:43:29
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Right.
00:43:29
Speaker
Same thing with runners.
00:43:30
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They're very, very skinny versus like a soccer player or someone who works in or someone who's a football player because football players just have insane amounts of muscle.
00:43:38
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Right.
00:43:39
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Those guys put on size.
00:43:40
Speaker
So even within the realm of men being physically fit.
00:43:45
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There are huge variances in body types that women will find sexually attractive within that fitness range.
00:43:51
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Some women might like the tall, lean, cross-country body guy, and other women like the stocky guys that are built for speed and power that you would see in football, in American football.
00:44:02
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I do like a stocky, thick man.
00:44:05
Speaker
Like, that's another beauty standard that is weird to me.
00:44:07
Speaker
Like, another male beauty standard that's weird to me is in the bodybuilding community, they want men with really wide shoulders and large upper body and narrow hips.
00:44:16
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I actually don't think narrow hips on a man is that attractive, especially if they have really weirdly thick quads, but tiny hips.
00:44:24
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It just looks weird to me.
00:44:25
Speaker
Although, in a lot of sports, narrow hips is actually preferred, like, in running.
00:44:30
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Like, the more narrower your hips are,
00:44:33
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the more efficiently you can run.
00:44:34
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That's why women have a slight disadvantage compared to men in running or other sports is because our hips are wider.
00:44:43
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So yeah, I actually prefer a guy with like, you know, like a square body type or the trapezoid body type, but the inverted triangle is a little too much to me.
00:44:54
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Yeah, it's just a wide range.
00:44:55
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And then other women might think that's very, very sexy, right?
00:44:58
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A lot of women like the cyclist guys and the cyclist guys tend to be very narrow hips, narrow shoulders, lean thighs.
00:45:07
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So these are different types of ranges of things that women find attractive.
00:45:11
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And yet you would think that it just never gets talked about, I think, in the detail and specificity that it needs to be.
00:45:19
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Because women for a long time have been shamed out of having sexual preferences, but we do have them.
00:45:24
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Yeah.
00:45:26
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So part of FDS's work is cataloging how and why we find men sexually attractive and none of the virtue signaling bullshit.
00:45:35
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And just reminding women that their pussy, as I always like to say, is not a charity.
00:45:41
Speaker
You get to decide who gets to access it and on what terms.
00:45:44
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Exactly.
00:45:45
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And people will complain that it's discriminatory or, oh, it's dehumanizing or, oh, you're making generalizations, blah, blah, blah.
00:45:54
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How do you know that you don't like him unless you try it?
00:45:57
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That kind of shit.
00:45:58
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No, we say that women are allowed to set any standard that we want.
00:46:02
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penis size, no penis, whatever.
00:46:04
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You're allowed to set any fucking standard that you want and then blanket reject any man or any person that does not meet that standard.
00:46:12
Speaker
And let them cry about that.
00:46:14
Speaker
But the worst is when people are like, you need to examine your preferences.
00:46:17
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I'm just like, okay, preferences examined, they're still the same.
00:46:22
Speaker
Yeah, your preference is bigoted, you know, so you should not have any preferences.
00:46:26
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I'm not saying that you can't have preferences.
00:46:30
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All I'm saying is you just need to examine them.
00:46:32
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OK, I've examined my preferences.
00:46:34
Speaker
They're the same.
00:46:35
Speaker
Now what?
00:46:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:38
Speaker
Have you thought that maybe your preferences or standards could be culturally shaped?
00:46:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:46
Speaker
I don't care if they're culturally shaped.
00:46:47
Speaker
My standards are my standards, right?
00:46:48
Speaker
Like there's something so rapey about people who try to convince women to...
00:46:54
Speaker
sleep with men or have sex with men that they don't want to have sex with.
00:46:57
Speaker
And it's always directed towards women.
00:46:59
Speaker
Like, you know, we've said that on this episode and it's, it isn't like men aren't given the same energy.
00:47:05
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Like nobody says that even in the health of every size movement, um,
00:47:10
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And to their credit, they just say, you know, people who are overweight should be treated with respect.
00:47:15
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But men take that to mean you must state a fat person.
00:47:18
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And it's like, no, they're not saying that.
00:47:20
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They're just saying, just treat them with respect, right?
00:47:23
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How would they feel if they went out saying, if you don't sleep with fat people, then, you know, you're bigoted.
00:47:28
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I mean, some people do say that on the fringes of the movement.
00:47:31
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But they're very quickly shot down because, you know, men, they recognize that they do actually have physical standards and preferences and they don't like it when they're labeled because they have them, when they're labeled something negative for having them.
00:47:44
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And the body positivity movement and the fat acceptance movement has largely been directed towards...
00:47:51
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people who make women's fashion or women's clothing or women's products, because part of it was in response to them only displaying women who look like supermodels when they're trying to sell women clothes, because most women don't look like that.
00:48:06
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So when they kept trying to put an idyllic body type for women that was never achievable, it started to make women feel like, well, why should I buy your shitty product?
00:48:13
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Right?
00:48:14
Speaker
Why should I buy, especially things like Victoria's Secret.
00:48:16
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It's like, why do I buy these little tiny panties that are built for women who are very, very skinny and they're going to fall apart and rip as soon as I pull them up over my booty, right?
00:48:25
Speaker
There's just no reason to keep supporting companies like that who traffic in trying to make women feel insecure to sell their products rather than making products that look good on women's actual body type.
00:48:37
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So men, again...
00:48:39
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Getting all up in women's business when they weren't asked to saw that a lot of these fashion brands and these magazines are responding to women's vocal complaints about the types of body types they were pushing and started to feature women who were
00:48:55
Speaker
built a little bit more like the average woman when they were selling products.
00:48:58
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So you could see, Hey, this is how a bra, this bra that we're selling is supposed to fit on a woman, on an actual woman and not a supermodel.
00:49:05
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Right.
00:49:06
Speaker
Um, so men took that to me, like, does that mean I have to, uh, date fat chicks now and women are being encouraged into obesity.
00:49:13
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And I'm like, no, they're just telling them that we don't have to keep buying from brands that deliberately ignore the constituency they're actually trying to sell to.
00:49:22
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Seems crazy.
00:49:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:23
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Yeah.
00:49:24
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Men's reaction to the health at every size movement really just solidifies my perception that men are just mentally weak and could never survive a day as a woman.
00:49:38
Speaker
Because if the idea that like fat women are people too and, you know, shouldn't be bullied, the fact that they see that as like oppression...
00:49:47
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on themselves like, oh my gosh, the feminists are trying to trick us or force us into dating fat chicks.
00:49:54
Speaker
Like clutch pearls, right?
00:49:57
Speaker
Yeah, they made it about themselves and it was never about them, right?
00:50:00
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And full disclosure,
00:50:03
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Men have had body positivity movements forever.
00:50:06
Speaker
That's what Hollywood is.
00:50:07
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Hollywood is invested in making all these frumpy, short, goofy, bad personality, bad teeth, bad built, balding guys feel good about themselves by pairing them with women in TV shows, in movies with women who are way more attractive than they should be able to realistically get.
00:50:27
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And they've been doing that since the beginning.
00:50:29
Speaker
On a more graphic level, the porn industry as well.
00:50:32
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Like, you see some real... Like, Ron Jeremy, I'm sorry, just looks like he belongs under a bridge.
00:50:39
Speaker
He makes me sick.
00:50:40
Speaker
I gag.
00:50:41
Speaker
I see Ron Jeremy's face and I gag.
00:50:44
Speaker
Yeah, it literally makes me sick.
00:50:47
Speaker
Those poor young women who just... Yeah.
00:50:49
Speaker
I feel so... Honestly, like, let's pour one out.
00:50:52
Speaker
Moment of silence for all the women who had to fuck Ron Jeremy.
00:50:55
Speaker
Take a shot, everyone.
00:50:56
Speaker
Because, boy, that guy is hideous.
00:50:58
Speaker
Hideous.
00:51:00
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Let's take a knee.
00:51:03
Speaker
Let's take a knee for all the women who have to fuck Ron Jeremy.
00:51:09
Speaker
Take a knee for every woman that had to pretend to be attracted to her male co-star so that she could get a role.
00:51:14
Speaker
So she'd get paid, yes.
00:51:16
Speaker
In Hollywood, right?
00:51:17
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You know, every time they pair a 15-year-old man with a woman, an actress who's in her 30s or late 20s, and then pretend like this is normal.
00:51:26
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That's affirmative action body positivity for men.
00:51:29
Speaker
So I really want men to shut the fuck up about that because they have long since created an environment where if women protest the fact, hey, we actually aren't that sexually attracted to old dudes or bigger dudes or, yeah, yeah.
00:51:42
Speaker
Nobody believes that half of these sitcoms where the guy's like obese and he has some skinny hot wife.
Self-Perception and Maintaining Standards
00:51:49
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Yeah.
00:51:50
Speaker
Like that's what men have been pushing as propaganda forever, but they are seemingly blind to that.
00:51:56
Speaker
but have to be all up in women's business when we're talking about, when we're just not even talking about them, when we're just talking about how to make ourselves feel more comfortable in our own skin and demand that companies selling products to us actually reflect how we look.
00:52:12
Speaker
So honestly, though, I find it really amusing when men find FDS, men get lost and they find FDS and they see women talking about how they like tall men or men with big penises and they act totally shocked.
00:52:25
Speaker
And their first reaction is like, I guess because they think we're feminists.
00:52:29
Speaker
They know we're feminists and they think all feminists, I guess.
00:52:32
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They have that cartoonish view of feminists being that blue-haired, septum-piercing, morbidly obese, you have to fuck me or else you're fatphobic, kind of.
00:52:42
Speaker
That's the cartoon of feminists that they have in their head.
00:52:44
Speaker
They have the caricature of feminists like that, so they just assume...
00:52:50
Speaker
that that's what FDSers think.
00:52:51
Speaker
And so they act like, oh, so does that mean that I am allowed to reject fat women?
00:52:56
Speaker
And we are like, yes, you are allowed to.
00:52:58
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You're going to anyways.
00:53:00
Speaker
They act like that's a gotcha, right?
00:53:02
Speaker
That's the thing.
00:53:03
Speaker
That's what I find so amusing is when they say, oh, is it okay for me to not date women with small boobs?
00:53:10
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They think that that's a gotcha.
00:53:12
Speaker
And we just go, yeah, sure.
00:53:14
Speaker
Were you planning on dating fat women and then, were you planning on not dating fat women and then you stumbled upon FDS and felt bad and decided to give them a chance or something?
00:53:23
Speaker
Exactly.
00:53:23
Speaker
I just don't, I never understand that question because I was like, what were you going to do before you saw FDS?
00:53:27
Speaker
Because you were going to do that anyways.
00:53:29
Speaker
I mean, it's just one of those like male gotchas that they have towards feminists.
00:53:33
Speaker
Like the other one is, oh, you want to be treated equally, but you still want men to pay for dates.
00:53:39
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Like gotcha, you know, like it's just a cheap gotcha.
00:53:42
Speaker
They don't actually take the time to think about
00:53:45
Speaker
to think.
00:53:45
Speaker
They actually don't take the time to think any further than that.
00:53:49
Speaker
A lot of men actually will date women that they don't find sexually attractive who are overweight and will just make those women feel like shit or as a second option or will only use them sexually and not actually be seen with them in public as their girlfriend.
00:54:03
Speaker
And so I actually think that men dating women who they aren't attracted to is shitty of the man.
00:54:10
Speaker
Like men should not
00:54:12
Speaker
If you don't think a woman is attractive, don't subject her to the psychological cruelty of feeling unloved or undesirable by dating her just so that you can get your fucking rocks off, okay?
00:54:23
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Yes, men should only date women that they find attractive to.
00:54:26
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Because every woman deserves to feel attractive.
00:54:29
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I agree.
00:54:29
Speaker
And even, like, talk less of dating.
00:54:31
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Like, men will openly admit that they will sleep with women they don't find attractive either as well.
00:54:38
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um you don't even need to be overweight just anyone like for a lot of these men anyone who says yes will do for them but that's just that's a different episode that's a different that's a rant for another day
00:54:51
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listeners oh man yeah there was that thread on reddit a while back that on ask men what was the question it was like it actually made me sick reading just how upvoted it was that men were just using women to masturbate into it actually made me sick and then in and it was it was sort of heartbreaking because about halfway down there was these groups of women saying oh so i'm really scared that you know no man i've slept with has ever been attracted to me and i was like you're probably correct
00:55:22
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you're probably correct or how many of these guys i've had sex with were using me as a pity fuck right and to that i say to women don't over focus on that and also who kind of gives a fuck whether or not they like you if you are focused on yourself and focused on the men you find attractive right and you're weeding out guys who don't
00:55:44
Speaker
meet your standards or like who aren't bringing value to you.
00:55:47
Speaker
I think women sometimes, again, they internalize all of men's sexual preferences and don't stop to think about what they actually sexually prefer.
00:55:55
Speaker
Because the one criticism that we get too from men is that, oh, because you guys have all these sexual preferences, you better look like supermodels.
00:56:02
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And I'm like, fuck you.
00:56:03
Speaker
I don't care if I'm like an invalid and I'm so huge that when I die, they have to cut me out of the roof of a house and lift me out through a helicopter.
00:56:11
Speaker
If I'm
00:56:12
Speaker
I'll still say I want a fit guy with a big penis.
00:56:16
Speaker
Do all these men who are like slobbering over supermodels, are they male models themselves?
00:56:21
Speaker
No.
00:56:21
Speaker
Absolutely not.
00:56:22
Speaker
So you don't have to be insanely attractive yourself as a woman to have sexual preferences.
00:56:28
Speaker
Your sexual preferences are just what they are.
00:56:31
Speaker
It doesn't mean that it's always going to be easily accessible for you to get.
00:56:35
Speaker
if you feel like you don't meet the same standards that a man like that would want.
00:56:39
Speaker
But at the same time, you're not wrong for having them.
00:56:41
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So we don't tell you like, you never tell women like you're too unattractive to like the type of man that you like.
00:56:46
Speaker
I think if anything, they need, they probably need standards even more because like Lilith rightly said, there are plenty of men and just like that thread said as well, there are plenty of men who will prey on, on women they deem unattractive or overweight because they see them as easy.
00:57:02
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So yeah,
00:57:03
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Actually, if you think you're unattractive or if you're overweight, it's in your best interest to have really, really sky high standards to filter out the guys who just want to use you to masturbate into.
00:57:13
Speaker
I don't care if a woman fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
00:57:18
Speaker
I still will be on the corner pointing and laughing at dudes I think are ugly.
00:57:23
Speaker
And I don't give a fuck.
00:57:25
Speaker
You'll still hear me cackling in the background watching ugly men struggle to get dates.
00:57:30
Speaker
I don't give a shit.
00:57:32
Speaker
I want what I want and I like what I like.
00:57:35
Speaker
I get what I want when I want and I get it how I want or what not.
00:57:37
Speaker
Yep, Kamila Cabello said it best.
00:57:40
Speaker
Also, ladies, I want you for ladies listening in, I want you to understand the power dynamics that are at play here as well.
00:57:46
Speaker
Because men, they say they often try to negotiate down women's standards by saying, oh, if you have such high standards, you know, you're not that attractive to yourself.
00:57:55
Speaker
And so many men are not going to meet your standards.
00:57:57
Speaker
And so you're just going to be single forever.
00:57:59
Speaker
And then the thing is, is like, I hear that and I think, okay, okay.
00:58:04
Speaker
Like, so what, right?
00:58:05
Speaker
Understand that, like, women generally are better off being single than with a low-value man or a man that they're not attracted to, right?
00:58:15
Speaker
I'd rather be single than be in a dead bedroom, right?
00:58:18
Speaker
So, but for men, understand that men...
00:58:22
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will actually have a better life when they're in a relationship with a woman who's maybe not their dream woman, but they're usually better off in a relationship than when they are single.
00:58:32
Speaker
Men who are single are often miserable.
00:58:34
Speaker
Women who are single are often having the time of their life.
00:58:37
Speaker
Um, so understand that like ladies, like if you're single, you'll be fine.
00:58:42
Speaker
It's the men who need to shape up and improve because they're the ones who are suffering from being single.
00:58:47
Speaker
So understand that your power here as a woman, like men want you more than you need men.
00:58:53
Speaker
Like you don't need men, actually.
00:58:55
Speaker
True.
00:58:56
Speaker
And with that, that's why it's important for women to enforce, feel proud of, and publicly state their sexual preferences and don't feel like because you're not the most attractive that you're not allowed to have them.
00:59:09
Speaker
Because remember, every woman who is...
00:59:12
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of average attractiveness, but feels like she has to silence herself because she might find a man who's very, very handsome, handsome.
00:59:20
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There's some guy who just rolled over in a pile of his own filth behind a dumpster who got up and stood upright and then told a woman who's probably a supermodel that she's ugly.
00:59:30
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Yeah.
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There's literally, men will literally be sleeping in a pile of their own filth and still feel entitled to sexually harass women or neg women who they don't even know.
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Yeah, they'll look at, like, Giselle Boonkin and be like, her hair is too blonde, or she's too fit and beautiful, or I don't know, her nose is too big, whatever, right?
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Like, men will come up with the stupidest shit to neg extremely beautiful women that they would never in a million years get.
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And so...
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Yeah, that's why I don't care about what they want, honestly.
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Like, I'd never date you.
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Your booty's too little.
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And meanwhile, this guy is literally picking McDonald's wrappers out of the trash can to sniff the leftover chemical smell.
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These guys could be like literally like jerking off every night in their mom's basement and still think that Selena Gomez, her face is too round or something like.
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Yeah.
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So you got to understand that this doesn't stop men from having the audacity.
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So I think women need to take a cue from them and just have your sexual preferences, even if you don't necessarily feel that it's quote unquote realistic for you to get.
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First of all, don't step on your blessing, sis, because you never know.
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And I think there's a lot of women who feel like I don't look a certain way so I can never get a guy like that.
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Women are more likely to try to convince themselves they're not deserving a guy who might be willing to
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to be into them versus then vice versa.
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So women just need to adopt a healthy mindset of male audacity and completely, completely externalize your sexual attraction towards men.
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And don't feel like you have to be self-conscious about what you like if that's just what you like.
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That's such a good point because women often underestimate how attractive they are.
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And so if you go based on the logic of like, oh, I should only date men who are similarly attractive to me, then women who underestimate their beauty are going to end up with far uglier guys.
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Whereas I think guys tend to overestimate their attractiveness.
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And so that caused them to feel entitled to women that are way out of their league.
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Right.
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So I actually think like, first of all,
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male ego is already so huge and overinflated, you know, I think women should take every opportunity to try to bring that male ego back down to reality.
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Secondly, women, you have to take a page out of the Scrotes book and have some Scrot audacity yourself.
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Increase your own self-confidence, even to the point.
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And here's the thing.
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There are times where I will be so in love with myself or so self-confident that other people will think it's ridiculous or absurd.
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And I keep doing it because I know it's true, or I feel it's true, or I feel I'm entitled to have that kind of attitude, that healthy self-esteem towards myself.
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And so even if other people think it's ridiculous or, like, you don't deserve it, keep going.
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Carry on.
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Ladies,
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You got to increase your self-esteem, increase your standards, and only date men that you find sexually attractive.
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Be honest with yourself about what you like.
Conclusion and Call to Action
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Get it down to a science.
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Yeah, write it down.
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Like, write it down, print it, believe it.
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And go after it.
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And go after it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
01:02:58
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Very smart.
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See you next week.