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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Nebraska & Nevada
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Our Road Trip continues taking two stops one form the past and one developing now!
Nebraska (2:14 - 57:28) Faith is taking us down the rabbit hole of drugs & bad decisions with the Nebraska Cabbie Murders - where three stories intertwine in the worst of ways.
Nevada (57:29 - 1:06:57) Weird & Crazy Laws
(1:06:58 - end) Lisa takes us to the current events in Lake Meade where tales of the past are currently being discovered
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Transcript
Introduction and Remote Setup
00:00:04
Speaker
Well, hello and thanks for tuning in again to Twisted Tales. This is Faith. This is Lisa. And we are doing this remotely because my house is infected with Arona. Yeah, there's some puke bags, there's some douche bags, there's all kinds of bags. I'm telling your brother you said that. It's like you knew. Oh yeah, I know who you talked about, not me. Alright, well.
00:00:34
Speaker
because we are both- That's how to keep a relationship strong, Faye. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and there's like a weird crackling sound, and I'm sorry, I'll try to fix that in the edit, but you know. Yeah, I'm
Cicadas and Trust Issues
00:00:47
Speaker
out here trying to record on my back porch, and the cicadas are alive and well. Which if you don't notice, the cicada is, it's like a gigantic grass, it's hopper from a bug slice, like the huge grasshopper, but not a grasshopper, and they make the loudest, most annoying sound
00:01:04
Speaker
And no, like their their body is probably like the size of a note, like a thumb. Yeah. And then and then like a wingspan. It's it's it's ridiculous. And if they fly, they can't hurt you. But if they fly into you, you're running. I'm just saying. And you're going. You're annoying. Yeah, like my co-host Lisa. But. To say. That was a good to say. Yeah.
00:01:34
Speaker
All right. Well, because we're both dirty rotten cheaters and don't trust the other one, we're just going alphabetically tonight and not doing paperrock scissors because again, we don't trust one another. Not even, I was thinking maybe like, you know, one to 10. You guess what I'm thinking, but you were always going to be wrong. Like you were just going to be wrong. Oh yeah. And last time we tried remotely when, you know, you were distracted by the beach. You didn't believe Frankie and I really had the right numbers, which we did not teach them, but whatever.
00:02:04
Speaker
No, lies, lies. Well, I'm going first and I'm in Nebraska. And oh, I got, I got some stories for you. That's the Cornhusker state, right? I think so. All Midwest states are Cornhusker states, me. Well, I don't know. I think I, you know, hey, that could be, um, anywhere. I don't know. I just went with it. Yeah. I just went with it.
00:02:32
Speaker
All right. Well, I don't I don't travel much because I don't know the meaning of a mini 30 minute episode. Oh, yeah. I've got way too many news. All right. Let's go. All right. So I want to start by giving you two backgrounds because they'll be important. And I mean, not importantly, but just kind of shows.
00:02:55
Speaker
We're just going to give you two backgrounds. It shows that fate likes to ramble. Go. Uh-huh. Yeah. I like to be well-vetted in my story. Yeah, I don't. I just like to find the gunpoint, pull the trigger, and be like, ha-ha. And the brain for everyone. OK. Sorry. Sorry.
Raoul Van Ness's Journey
00:03:14
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sorry. All right. So technically, I have three backgrounds, but we're going to start with two backgrounds, and we'll throw the third one in later when it's relevant.
00:03:24
Speaker
The first two backgrounds we're doing is Raul Van Ness and Stephen Cuplet. Raul with an L. R-E-E-L. Raul. Yes. I can't roll my Raul. That was great, actually. I just needed to hear the L. Raul Van Ness.
00:03:51
Speaker
Both of these men that I'm going to talk about at first were Army vets coming back from the Korean War Korean War in 1953. Raoul Van Ness, which I'm just going to go with Van Ness from now on, served with distinction in the Army. He had several heroic duties and awards given to him after he got out of service. He was looked high upon with favor with all his his Army co-workers.
00:04:22
Speaker
So Millicent and he had a great army career. He did great things. He got awarded. He was delighted to be home. He was delighted to be in service of the army. He was a first generation immigrant from Germany. So that's why I don't think the R rolling the, I think the Raoul is probably mispronounced because I'm doing more of like a Hispanic Raoul. So he is from Germany. So neither here nor there.
00:04:50
Speaker
But he moved to America young and he was really proud of his army distinctions, you know, serving the American army. And, um, it was said that he was very tall. I don't know. I have some conflicting issues with his description, but I'm going to describe him and then you can, you can tell me what you think. He was described as tall, very good looking. He wore glasses that were really thick, like Coke bottle thick glasses. And he had this thick handle bust.
00:05:19
Speaker
handle bar moustache that like curled at the ends, but he was very good looking. Well, in my, in my day and age, honestly, I still can, I consider the handlebar moustache, like still it's a trash stash, bro. Yeah. 100%. But, um, he had this huge personality that like really won everybody over for the most part. I don't like my brother.
00:05:49
Speaker
You know what I mean? Which one? The middle one. Me, then there's the one. Yeah. Even when he used to be overweight before he got his six pack was like, he could get any lady, but it's because he was so funny and had such a great personality. Yeah. That kid. Yeah. Um, he grew up really hardworking. He continued to have a really strong work ethic, got his entire life and he really tried to like instill this in his family. So there's his background.
00:06:17
Speaker
Didn't we have background number two, which is Steven Helpland, H-E-L-G-E-L-A-N-B. Helpland. Oh, yeah, I have no idea unless I look at it. Yeah. Okay. Well, he served in the Air Force, but he wasn't good enough to be a pilot, which in the Air Force pilots, they're like, you know, king of the mountain. Yeah. Cruise. Whatever that movie is. Top Gun. There we go. Top Gun.
00:06:48
Speaker
But pilots are like up there. He, he did more grunt work, but he, um, he did, he did bad grunt work, which will hit in, in a little bit more of his background when we go deeper in a minute. So those are the two guys we're talking about right now. All right. So Venice came back from the war and he got a job as a milk delivery man. Milk delivery. Like he does a little milk truck and.
00:07:13
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dropped off. So like, is he the guy that like, Oh, that's the milk man's kid. Yeah. You said he was good looking. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying in Johnson city, when we lived in Johnson city, cold said primary, you could still have milk delivered to your house. Like on the weekly. And that's the best. And they had like the creamsicle milk. Yeah. And the strawberry and the chocolate. Oh my gosh. But that was living large. It was.
00:07:40
Speaker
It was such good milk, but so he's a local every man. And there was this single mom on his roof that he was, you know, he was kind of sweet on her. So what he started doing was arriving to his job and starting his route early. And he would leave her for the very last stop. So he had just a little extra time every day to talk to her and spend with her. Right. Right. And she said his personality was off the charts. Amazing. It's definitely what won her over. But even more than that,
00:08:10
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was he was a really generous guy. So he would drive up to her house, deliver her milk and it's the milk. So it's a refrigerator like van, but it also has like dairy products. Like it's got butter, it's got ice cream, you know, that kind of stuff. And as a single mom with four children, money was tight. She didn't have extra money for ice cream and this kind of stuff. So every day he drives up, he spent his time with her.
00:08:36
Speaker
kids would always go, well, what do you got in the back of the van? What do you have to back the van? And he'd say, well, why don't you go see? And he always had all four children. Right. So he always just, you know, he always kind of went a little above and beyond, even for her children. So it didn't take long for this relationship to progress. And Van Ness and Mary were married. Her name was Mary. Okay. Due to the life they wanted, he knew he needed to get a better job. Being a milkman wasn't going to cut it. He now got a wife and four children.
00:09:06
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So he ended up in the construction section doing brick-and-mortar work laying brick-and-mortar He was apparently really good at this and this is where he did most of the work to support he and Mary 10 children They had oh my god. Okay, I had six more after they got married Okay, they got a hockey team bro, yeah, they've got a whole team of a lot of different things
00:09:33
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Yeah. So they naturally loved his life. He enjoyed being at home with his kids. He enjoyed working hard. He even, um, ended up getting multiple jobs. Like he would get all these side hustles
Steven Hetland's Struggles
00:09:44
Speaker
as we call them today. He would cut down the trees, you would transport people. He'd pick up garbage, like pretty much anything he'd do in his free time to make extra money. He would do because again, 10 kids, right? You know, go ahead real quick. I just want to intervene. I love that I can never fully
00:10:02
Speaker
anticipate where your story is going to go. I know, right? Like, you make me so mad. Like, they're afraid to get attached to anybody, aren't you? Yeah, it's like Game of Thrones, man. It's like, man, I love that. I love Ned Stark. Oh, yeah. They just frickin murdered it, man. And okay. Yeah. Just keep going. I get it. All right. Yeah. So he also had this. He also loves cars. So
00:10:32
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The other side, how it's still, he would kind of do is he would buy cars for cash. He breaks them up and he flip them and he continued to upgrade the cars he bought to the point where he had about 20,000 vintage cars and mint conditions ready to sell at any given time as like this nest egg for his family. That's fantastic. Yes. So, and he, um,
00:10:56
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He also brought his kids to work with him whenever he could, like when he worked on cars, the kids would come work on cars. And so he ended up looking for a way to like bring the kids more into the business. Um, so he ended up contacting Safeway Cab Company about driving a cab. Now, apparently back in the day, you had two options when you wanted to drive a cab. You could rent the cab from the cab company.
00:11:22
Speaker
And they would pay all maintenance like tires, oil changes, transmission, everything like that. And you would get like a percentage of the amount you made each hour, but you would get a lower percentage and give the cab company the higher percentage. They would still dispatch you out to all the road, all the, all the calls and stuff, but they own the car and you were just renting it from them. Okay. So that's option one. Option two is you could purchase a cab from the cab company.
00:11:52
Speaker
They would still dispatch you out. They would still do all your routes and you were responsible for all the maintenance, everything for the car. And you like to keep more of the money and you would just give them like basically a finder
The Moore Twins and Crime
00:12:05
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fee, a very small percentage of each route you took. Right. That's literally what I was about to ask. Like you're using your own vehicle. How much of that do you? Okay. It's like kind of Uber, Uber S correct. Yes. Yeah.
00:12:18
Speaker
So he decided, no brainer for him, he's a car guy, he works on cars, he's buying the cab. So he bought the cab and signed his contract with Safeway Cabs. That way he'd be able to keep a higher percentage. Well, he purchased the cab to drive at night and at weekends because he had the construction gig during the day. But he also had a son in law that were old enough. And so he said, here, listen, I bought this cab, I'm going to pay off
00:12:48
Speaker
the notes on the cap. You too, when you're not working your jobs, if you want to, drive the cap. We'll split the fares three ways. We'll split the maintenance three ways. We'll split the maintenance three ways. You keep your fare for when you drive it. And we'll get like, you give 10% to Safeway, 10% to the pot that will flip three ways and you keep 80%. And so they basically, the three of them would drive the cap. So the cap's always earning money.
00:13:17
Speaker
Van Ness, while his son's driving the cab, he only gets 10% of the earnings, but it's better than zero and it's just sitting there. Anytime tires need to be done or oil, they split it three ways. So it's actually a pretty smart business move on his part. And his sons loved it. They actually planned when their kids got a little older to do something very similar with their kids by their own cab, split it and that kind of thing on down the line. So there's that.
00:13:45
Speaker
We're going to stop with Van Ness right now. We're going to go to Hetland. Hetland, however you found the same. I'm so sorry. It's so much funny. What's so much funny, Lisa? It is so much funny listening to you try to pronounce just anything. I know. This is hula mama. I feel like that's how people down when they try to make sense of my text.
00:14:11
Speaker
Like in a nutshell. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We're going to go. And you have to kind of know you for a while. Yeah, that's pretty much. So Steve, Steve's life when he got back from the war was not great. It was like the polar opposite of Ben. He struggled to deal with the horrors he saw. Um, since he was not a pilot, he did the grunt work. And one of the things he would have to do is prepare fields for planes to be able to take off and land.
00:14:38
Speaker
What that preparation entailed was him cleaning off all the dead bodies that were littering the field. So they could then burn the field. So there was a clean stretch of land. So he was like, no, I'm sorry, but that's got to like mess with any, any human being in it. Yeah, that's not right. Yeah. Had some severe PTSD. It didn't leave him. So within six months of being stateside, he became an alcoholic and a drug addict. And we're talking.
00:15:05
Speaker
like a handle of hard liquor and a 12-pack of beer per day was his usual. He did feed balls, he did heroin when he did get his hands on it, and he did marijuana. However, even with all this, he managed to get really good jobs and always sent money back to his, they weren't divorced, but he and his wife were separated and his children sent money back to take care of them.
00:15:35
Speaker
He often found work in the construction energy industry doing drywall installation. I can't even read. He had a reputation for being able to hang drywall really quickly. Is that a symptom? Is that a symptom? No, that's just my. Well, we know you have the Rona. I just wanted to make sure. No, no, I'm just I'm just. Well, I saw at one point that like toe cramps.
00:16:04
Speaker
were normal for people with run. I mean, I could have there about screamed his foot was cramping so bad last night. Oh, that's crazy. Everywhere. But anyway, wow. All right. So he was like, shut me up. Yeah, I'll just talk to him. I used to do. Yeah. But he was like a really good drywall hanger. He was known for it and hanging drywall, which, you know, you can say whatever you mess that stuff up. You see it forever underneath the paint.
00:16:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Look at every wall in my house. Thank you. Trappy construction. Your brothers. No, the areas that they haven't read. Your husband. Yeah, but he's redoing all the crappy areas. So I was fine. While Steve liked the freedom of his job, he was able to go from job site to job site. He pretty much did it by himself. So if you really kind of liked his job, he continued to work, even though he had issues with drug and alcohol dependency.
00:17:04
Speaker
And he did several small stents in jail due to marijuana possession, DUIs, things like that. Nothing major, right? Right. Well, one time he gets out of jail and immediately after getting out of jail, he goes to a local bar and gets his drunk. Like drunk is a stunk drunk. And when he leaves the bar, he can't find his car mainly because he's so drunk, he can't even see straight. Right. So he just goes on the bench, wraps his coat around himself and falls asleep.
00:17:34
Speaker
Well, it's Nebraska. Apparently it's winter and apparently it's fracking cold outside and his pants were really thin. So both of his legs got a really bad case of frostbite, like down to the bone frostbite. And they had to amputate both of his legs above the knee. Wow. Okay. Cause his blood was thinner from the alcohol, I guess I'm not sure, but I mean, double amputee above the knees. Done from just falling asleep outside drunk, sleeping through the night on a bed.
00:18:05
Speaker
Wow. So at this point, he knows, um, his construction career's over and he's hit rock bottom. On top of everything else, being a drug addict, you think, you know, pain, he's going to have issues with like the pain medication, like getting addicted to that or something. Right. Complete opposite. The pain pills and the pain medication from his double amputee, he's missing two legs, made him violently ill to where he couldn't even take them.
00:18:34
Speaker
wow okay and so it made him realize like how far he'd fallen what he'd done with his life and something had to change so he gets fitted with two prosthetics and within a year he learns how to walk again how to drive and really turns his life around he establishes a relationship with all his kids he gets to know them he has a really strong relationship with them he and his wife stay estranged
00:18:59
Speaker
But it's not a, it's not a bad stretch. Strange. They just, you know, they've got two different life at this point type of deal. And so he starts working for the happy cab company and he chose the option where he rented the cab. Okay. Um, because he obviously, he can't do all the, the work. Um, but he loved driving this. Part of he picked happy cab because the name he, the happy cab and even his family members talked about him like after he passed.
00:19:29
Speaker
and said that like, when he took a cab, if he, if he got someone in the back of his cab that seems sad or depressed or down, or he just felt like they weren't a hundred percent, like he would drive longer routes and not charge them just to tell them his story and encourage them and like try to get them out of their head so that they didn't make the same mistake he made and that they could like learn from, learn on his dime type of deal. Yeah. So like just a real guy, he was a real,
00:19:58
Speaker
humans. Yeah, he thrived after the honestly, as strange it is, the double amputee faced the best thing to happen to him. Because he got over all this stuff he was dealing with and just started becoming a rock star. Right. All right. Third background. Dean, Carrie Dean Moore and David Moore, who are identical twins, were struggling to survive growing up in a toxic home. Every
00:20:26
Speaker
body we talk about on this podcast as a bad home life, this is them. They would both be on their seething in from an early age from the abuse of their father. And as early as around 10 years old, it was reported they would literally do anything not to be at the house. They'd run the road, they'd go to a friend's house, they'd hang out on street corners, and naturally they started getting into trouble.
00:20:50
Speaker
So they're stealing, they're beating people up, they're lying. And by 12, they're finally, there's been so many instances that the state removed them from their home and put them in separate foster care homes. Wow. That's good. Well, yeah. Well, not only have they been beating people up, stealing, but they've also been burning down buildings. Oh, lovely. Yeah. So these kids were headed downhill quick. Right. So they were in these foster,
00:21:20
Speaker
care homes from 11 to 16. And unfortunately, being in these foster homes just made them work. Because the state had separated them, they got it into their, again, child minds, because they're 10 when this happened. Okay. That, or sorry, they were 12 when they were separated. If they were just like as horrible as possible, the state would just put them back together.
00:21:48
Speaker
So they stole more. They started getting in fights all the time. They threatened their foster parents, like anything they could think of to be like as bad as possible. None of it worked, obviously. They remained separated till 16. In 1974, their parents officially were separated. And the twins, Carrie and David, and their 10-year-old brother, Donald, were allowed to move back in with their mother.
00:22:17
Speaker
their grandmother, their mother's mother had recently passed and left them a small amount of money. So their mother was able to put a down payment on a, on an apartment for them. And she was also able to lease a cab with the happy cab company to make some money. So, Oh, there you go. That's their background. She also worked, well, you know, they're all cab drivers are in a cab driving family.
00:22:46
Speaker
Well, I thought they were all happy cab. Nope. The first one is serve. Serve right, I believe. Oh, yes. OK. Yeah. No, I remember. OK. I'm sorry. Safe way. Safe way. I know where I got served. They both start with this. So their mother also worked morning shift and lunch shift at a cafe and then she would drive the cab afterwards. So the twins, because they were so focused on being as horrible as possible, had fallen extremely behind in school.
00:23:16
Speaker
um like really behind and so the mother set up like tutoring sessions for them after school sessions and so she'd go to her two shifts at the cafe then as she drove her cab she would drop them off at all these appointments just trying to get them caught up right it was a little it was too little too late they were 16 they didn't really care but right she tried her hardest so the twins um had become daily pot smokers
00:23:45
Speaker
And when they had the money for it, they liked to use some heroin. There you go. But they couldn't find the money all the time. So Carrie, one of the twins, 20A we'll call him, came up with a plan to get some money because they knew from their mother that cab drivers would often have like four to $500 cash within the end of a ship. Oh man. Okay. So what they were going to do was they were going to rob a cab. Easy peasy.
00:24:15
Speaker
Right. We got cash. We're going to steal the cash. We're good. So Kerry did some investigation work and I don't, kind of weird, but he'd call cab companies, get a cab to come, but he would like hide in bushes or in buildings or in businesses or around corners to see who showed up. So he did this for a couple of days, like making notes on who showed up. And he realized most cab drivers were either like older family men like Van Ness,
00:24:42
Speaker
Right. Our younger college kids that were just trying to make enough money to go out and party that night. There you go. In your mind, if you're picking one of those to rob, who would you pick? The older dude. See, I would think the younger person, because they're just making money to go party. Like it's nothing off their skin. Well, yeah, but I feel like the older people are going to be more reliable. Thus having a little more money. Yeah. Well, that's who he thought. Yeah. And they're family men, right?
00:25:12
Speaker
So like, all right, they're family men. What's the worst thing you can do? Take the dad away from the kids. So if there's an opportunity to live, they're just going to give it over. I think personally, but I don't know. He stole it your way because that's what he did. He decided over an older cabbie is what they needed to take. So am I psychotic? Apparently. Yeah. Well, we already knew that.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yeah. So as I got closer to D day, as we'll call it, David twin B ends up saying, listen, this is a bad idea. We don't need to
Carrie Moore's Legal Battles
00:25:53
Speaker
do this. This is, you know, it's a small town, all cab drivers talk. They all know each other. If we rob a cabbie and anyone finds out it was us, it's going to make mom's life hell. And he didn't care to make his bad life, his life bad. He didn't make care to make bad decisions on himself, but he didn't want things falling back on his mom, like his mom.
00:26:12
Speaker
was working, you know, two jobs, all hours trying to make their life better. He didn't want to do things to make his mom's life worse. Right. So David was like, this is a bad idea. Let's not do this. Well, a few days later, Carrie decides he's going through with it anyway, asks his younger brother Donald, Hey, do you want to go get some food with me? Donald's like, yeah, sure. So they walked down to the smoke pit, which is a barbecue restaurant, which sounds delightful.
00:26:40
Speaker
Yes. I love barbecue. I love it. You and me both. Not Joe Methany's barbecue, but I do love this barbecue. I thought it was a Methany. I don't know. Methany, Methany, tomato, tomato. Yeah, pretty much. I pronounced it wrong. It's okay. Yeah, it is what it is. So on the way down to the smoke pit, Carrie tells Donald, listen, I'm a call a cab and I'm a rob a cab and that's what's about to happen. So if you're not okay with it, you need to hit the brick.
00:27:10
Speaker
Which apparently Donald was okay with this whole plan. So they get you the smoke pit, they call a cab, which shows up and it is Van Ness. So, um, Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. So they get the stories merge. Yeah. So he gets in and Carrie asks Van Ness to drive him to standing bear Lake. They're going to meet some friends to go fishing.
00:27:40
Speaker
Van Ness is like, sure, that's fine. They get in the cab and it starts to get weird. Carrie starts asking Van Ness all these questions. Hey, how much, how much money do cabs make? Like how much cash do you typically have on you? Do you know anything about this lake? Do you know if there's like usually a lot of people there or is it usually pretty secluded? Do you know like what time of day there's a lot of people like red flag, red flag, red flag, red flag, right?
00:28:08
Speaker
Right. Well, Vanessa's an army man. So he sees red flag, red flag, red flag, red flag. So Vanessa starts calling dispatch for basically a turn by turn direction. He's like, Hey, I'm at, I'm at Smith street. Do I take a left or right to get to like the standing bare leg, a left? Okay. Thanks. Hey, I'm at, I'm at main street now. Um, do I take a left or a right or go straight to get to standing bare leg? Like
00:28:34
Speaker
to where the people in the back don't know what's going on. But you would think dispatch would really kind of hone in on this is hopefully. Yeah. And unfortunately, dispatch did not because they worked so many shifts at construction. He often was tired and would get kind of lost in his head. And he had to call for directions a lot. The dispatch lady said that if any other driver had called, she would immediately have reported it. But because it was being asked, she was kind of used to it and didn't think anything was the problem.
00:29:05
Speaker
Well, maybe it's her sponging cleaned her conscience. I guess so. You got, I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I gotcha. So they drive there. And once they arrive, Kerry pulls out a 32 pistol and that he had purchased from a friend at the apartment complex and demanded all Vanessa's money.
00:29:30
Speaker
Vanessa tells them, Hey, I've only got a few bucks on me, like 30, 40 bucks. There are ones and fives to make change. I just started the shift. I worked construction. You're welcome to have it all. Right. Right. So Vanessa puts his right hand into his pocket, like he's pulling out the money. Um, and turns around and pulls his right hand out. Like he's going to give them money to carry.
00:29:55
Speaker
And as he turns around, he goes to grab the gun from Carrie because he's got army training. He knows what to do, right? Right. Unfortunately, Carrie is left handed. Oh crap. Oh, Vanessa's too far away from the gun. And Carrie shoots the nest four times point blank range into the head and neck, killing him instantly. Carrie jumps out of the car, gets out of the back seat, goes around to the front seat.
00:30:23
Speaker
grabs Venice by the shoulder of the shirt, rips him out of the car, leaving his body just on the ground bleeding out, steals $140 from him and then speeds off in the cab with his younger brother in the car. So they dumped the cab about six miles in the city and an abandoned strip mall, which actually took the police two weeks to find. So it is that fair.
00:30:48
Speaker
They then walk five miles home, stop at a gas station where Gary buys some weed and apparently some porno magazines for his younger brother that's there as a thanks for being there type of thing. I don't really know. That's disgusting. Cause it's like one of those random. Yeah. It's like that random useless bit of information. You know, do you feel like you got to say it? Maybe he's a piece of crap. I felt like, yeah.
00:31:17
Speaker
So back at the house, they're smoking, they're smoking pot, getting high. And Donald just starts to taunt care. And he's like, you know what? You wouldn't have ever done any of that. If, if I was there, David backed out on you and you were too big of a pussy to go through this by yourself. You did never shot him. You needed me to hold your hand. What kind of man needs his baby brother there to commit murder and robbery? Like you suck and just going on and on and on. And Carrie gets pissed.
00:31:45
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And he's like, that's BS. I can do this by myself. I don't need you. I don't need anybody else. So he decides he's going to show Donald he can do this by himself. He doesn't need anybody else with him to, to submit a robbery and a murder basically. Okay. So he, I can't believe you used a wordy dirt. Well, I was, I was just a drink. Well, I know, I know. Don't make me feel bad. So funny. So funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So.
00:32:14
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He walks down to the smoke pit by himself. And since he had just killed a safe way driver, he can't use them again. So he calls the happy cab company and waits for a driver to show up, right? Same place as last time. So he's outside the smoke pit, happy cab company pulls up and he's wasting absolutely no fricking time. He pulls the gun on the driver and the driver turns around and his mother says, what are you doing? Cause it's his mom.
00:32:43
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Wow. Are you that's that's. Yeah, that's karma. That's kind of. So she probably full names him.
00:32:56
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Kerry Dean Moore, where did you get that gun? What is that gun? And he does the, I'm just joking with you, mom. I called dispatch and told him not to tell you it was me. I wanted to scare you. Did I get
Quirky Laws and Nevada Crimes
00:33:11
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you? It's just a toy gun, mom. And he's like, I just needed a ride and I was short on cash. And I thought this would be funny. That way you wouldn't get too mad at me for calling you.
00:33:23
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And so she's annoyed and she's like, all right, where do you need to go? I'm going to take you. And so she's driving and she's like, listen, I don't care if it's a toy gun or not. You don't need to do that. That's super irresponsible. Blah, blah, blah. Mom likes her. Mom likes her. Mom likes her. He literally pulled a loaded gun and was going to shoot his mother. If he hadn't seen her, he'd, and pulled the trigger. He'd have killed his mom. Wow. So this bothered him for about a day or two.
00:33:51
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And then decided, you know what, he had to go through with it. He had to, he had to prove his baby brother. He wasn't a scared boy man. So on August 29, exactly a month after Venice, um, he, I'm sorry, exactly a week after Venice was murdered, he headed down to a gray, gray helm bus station. He walked around trying to find like a traveler that looked rich that he could rob, couldn't find anybody.
00:34:18
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So he goes outside and he calls the happy cab company again, knowing that this is way out of it. Excuse me. I have to pick up. That's okay. Sorry. So he calls the happy cab company again, knowing that this is like way outside of his mom's roof. So he's not going to pull a gun on his mom. Cap pulls up and it's Steve driving.
00:34:43
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Carrie said he needs to go to an apartment. That was, that was the guy that had no legs. Yes. Okay. So he said, I need to go in an apartment on the South side of town. So as soon as they pull up on the South side of town, Carrie doesn't hesitate. He doesn't say a word. He doesn't demand the money. He pulls the gun and shoots Steve three times in the back of the head. Done. Done. The difference between Vanessa's murder and Steve's murder is
00:35:11
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Vanessa had turned and was close. So the bullets were kind of a through and through and didn't make, it wasn't really a big mess, if you will. Steve, it was three shots. He got him square in the back of head. So Steve's head literally like exploded. There is just blood and dew everywhere. So Carrie gets out of the car, opens the driver's side door, gonna pull him out just like he did Vanessa.
00:35:41
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There's blood everywhere. There's goo everywhere. He can't even do it. So he just leaves them there without getting a single dollar just gone. Wow. And leaves this man sitting in the cab dead. So around 2 PM, uh, about an hour and a half, two hours later, a pedestrian sees this cab just sitting here on the side of the road with the driver side door open, walked up blood is everywhere and calls the police. All right.
00:36:06
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The only thing at the scene that they can find are there are four bullets that were not shot like that. It was almost like he had them in his pocket as spares that had fallen out. But that's, that's literally it. There's no evidence. There's no nothing. First few weeks of the investigation continue in this. They have no weeds. They have nothing to tie to the murder. They haven't tied it to Vanessa's murder because it was so different. Right. So they have no idea. September 12th, Carrie decides, you know what?
00:36:35
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work once, I'm going to do this again. So this time he decides, um, he's just going to rob somebody, but he's going to do it again. So he sees an elderly man getting out of his car, headed to a restaurant, but he looks like a well-to-do elderly man. Like he probably has some money and by elderly and carries mine, we're probably talking like fifties. Oh, okay. Like they didn't give the guy age, but I'm just thinking a 16 year old punk is going to think like, you know, fifties old.
00:37:02
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Right. Anybody that's wearing like, you know, with a gray hair, uh, like slacks and a nice shirt. Yeah. Yeah. So he holds this guy up at gunpoint says, give me your money. Give me your keys. And the guy obviously does. He gets in the car, drives off. Well, there's a patrol car about a mile away when the call goes out. So it's hot on Carrie's tail within a few minutes. He, a high speed chase ensues through the city. Another cop.
00:37:32
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joins in and the two of them are able to pin Kerry down in a cul-de-sac. Kerry gets out of the car, he surrenders, hands up, whole nine, hey, I'm unarmed, I'm unarmed. Well, when they search the car, they find a 32 pistol. Wow. And they're able to kind of put everything together pretty quick. So within 45 minutes of his arrest, Kerry literally confesses to everything.
00:37:59
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He made a mistake. He didn't know what he was doing. He's so sorry. Blah, blah, blah. He killed the guys. He just needed money. So the word that his brother described around kind of true. Yeah. Yeah. What I didn't want to say the bad word. So here I'm sorry for a and I've never heard of this, but he opts for a judge only trial. No jury.
00:38:26
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Right. And typically when you have, he just, he just wants one man to decide his fate. Well, typically you have three judges that listen and decide like, I guess, you know, majority rules type of deal. Right. But in this one, there's only one man to decide. So one judge listens to him and hears because he's already said that he's guilty. He killed them. No question. But they still have like a prosecutor and defense attorney, like arguing it out basically for sentencing, I guess. Right.
00:38:55
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So at trial, his lawyer uses everything about his past. He had a hard background. Oh yeah, absolutely. He said he has this large family. No one looked out for him. Typical BS, right? Number one, he didn't have a large family. There are three whole kids in his family. Number two, his mom looked out for him. She worked three jobs. I have two older brothers and it seems large. Oh, whatever. No, I'm literally just being smart ass.
00:39:24
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So trial only lasts two weeks because again, he admitted to the murders and trial ends on February 9th, 1980. February 9th, 1980. February 12th, the single judge declares him guilty. I'm on the porch. Somebody's lighting off frigging fireworks. It's not the 4th of July. My story is good, but not that good. I know. This is like every day. I know. Gotta look redneck bro.
00:39:52
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Yes. So the judge sentenced him to 22 years for the grand theft auto and death. So Donald, his 14 year old brother was also tried as an adult. He's the second youngest person in Nebraska to ever be tried. Um, because he was there as an accomplice, he got some jail time, not point of the story. So, um, anyway,
00:40:18
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Gary sent us to death plus the 22 years for the Grand Theft Auto and goes through 40 years of appeals. 40. 40 years. So, and there's several stipules. I just need, like, I kind of want to know why, like he went through 40 years of appeals and was found guilty every single time. Well, here's what happened. So it's weird, which is kind of why I picked this case.
00:40:48
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So number one, when you get a death sentence, you automatically have to go through a psych evaluation to be able to prove like if you're mentally competent, right? So he goes, he, so that's, that's number one. Um, problem is the biggest problem with this is Nebraska has only had four death sentences in their whole like history as a state.
00:41:15
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Okay. There was one in, um, like the 1800, like it was, I was trying, I wrote down the date. I know 1978 were three of them and they were all executed via the electric chair. And then there was also a hanging that like went really badly. And one of the last steps that they did before this one on the electric chair.
00:41:41
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Maybe I'll do that case at some point, but it was horrific. Like it was the longest death ever because the electric chair is it like working at like a fourth of the fourth of the power was supposed to work. So it is worse. Sorry. Hold on.
00:41:59
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There it is, guys. Happy not fourth of July. OK. Anyways, so worse than the story you told us about. Oh, man, I can't remember his name. It was the sunny sunny story. Yes. Yep. He didn't. This guy didn't catch on fire, but like they they they put him in the electric chair and it was only like a fourth of power. So it took forever like to basically slowly elect.
00:42:27
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Right. So Nebraska doesn't have a great history with death sentences. And they have a few death sentences, so they don't know what they're doing basically. Like the courts and the states, like they've got all this litigation going on. So his psych eval comes back showing significant damage related to the abuse that affected mental capacities in his brain. It took them 16 years for the courts to rule that the damage did not have any bearing
00:42:56
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on his killing these two people. But for 16 years, basically the psyche, the psych evaluation people and the court and his lawyers are going back and forth saying, well, he's got damage. How bad is the damage? Well, let's look at this study. Well, let's look at this step for 16 years. That was one appeal. And the court finally said, you know what? Nope. Doesn't matter. He had a little bit of brain damage, but it didn't, it wasn't enough. Like it didn't, he was the slow learner. He had a slow IQ. He knew what he was doing was wrong. Right.
00:43:26
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So, uh, and at the end of the day, that's like, that's, that's it. Yeah. So in, um, his carries execution was actually scheduled nine different times, nine times, not eight, not eight, not 10, not 10, nine times, nine times. Yes. In 2013, you know, we can't get it right the first time or the second.
00:43:56
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or the sort of these are like here or today we're going to execute or never mind. Here's the day we're going to execute you. Never mind. Like they kept scheduling it. And then they didn't. They didn't. They couldn't. He could walk. Oh, my God. Yeah. Mitigating. No, I know. I know. And I'm I'm just saying like they like. Oh, my God. Yeah. Go, Nebraska. Wow.
00:44:20
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So in 2013, Nebraska stated, you know what, the chair is in humane, the electric chair is in humane. We're not going to do that anymore. We got to figure out a different way. Send them, send them to Delaware. Yeah. Well, then in 2015, legislators voted to get rid of the death penalty altogether in the state of Nebraska. Naturally. Um, however, there was one judge, judge David Hindeman, who vetoed that vote.
00:44:47
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So it went to the people in the next election to say, will we keep the death penalty in our state or not? And the people in Nebraska spoke 61% said, hell yes, we are. So they had to keep the death penalty in effect in their state. Thank you, Nebraska people. Yes. So then now they have to think you're not, not, not, not the judicial system in Nebraska, but the people.
00:45:16
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Now they've got to figure out how are they going to how are they going to do the death penalty? Because they've said the electric chair is inhumane. So they're trying to come up with a cocktail for lethal injection. Every state has their own cocktail. Yeah, they could just cap them. Oh, they could. Firing squad. Also, you don't even need a squad. You just need one guy with a 45 and good aim. That's it. Well, they decided to listen to this nonsense.
00:45:44
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So they're trying to come up with a cocktail for the lethal injection, which is usually like a muscle relaxer, um, some kind of sedative and obviously the, the, the one that stops your heart, which I can't think of the name of. I don't know. We'll say arsenic. It's not. It's like sodium.
00:46:03
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potassium. I don't know. Oh, I know. I yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so sick. My family's been sick, cut me a break. I know that's not right. So anyway, the rascal wanted to add fentilin into their cocktail. But until it fentilin or fentanyl? Fentanyl. Sorry.
00:46:24
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Fentanyl. Fentanyl's the stuff that's going around right now that's like killing everyone. Yeah. Well, it's also highly addictive. For like drug dealers? Yeah. It's also highly addictive. And so there was this huge outcry like, oh no, we can't use that in the lethal injection because that sends the wrong message. What other message are you trying to send? I think it sends the appropriate message. If you use this drug, you could die. So. Yeah. Well, yeah, not even that. Or like you commit a crime.
00:46:53
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And that crime results in someone's death. And then we're going to put you in a chair and you're going to be injected with this substance. Yeah. Well, did you die? Did you see that girl that picked up the dollar off the street that was coded in it and like she had to go to the hospital and like almost. No, no. I had no idea. Coded money in the drug and she picked it up. It was all over the news. Where the frick was this?
00:47:23
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I was in a bigger city. I don't want to speak out. Are you guys really that bored? Are you really that bored? I remember as a kid like super gluing a penny or a quarter to the street and watching people try to pick it up. It's because you were devious. No, because it's funny because they can't get it up off the ground.
00:47:48
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Not. Oh, it's funny. You're going to go to cardiac arrest. Well, I mean, that's not funny. So anyway, that's possible. I'm sorry. Yeah. Way off track. Way off track. So Nebraska finally is able to get their formula for lethal injection approved. I don't know what it contains, but on April 13th, 2018,
00:48:16
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is the night before the execution. As his last meal, he requested a large pepperoni pizza, strawberry shortcake and a Coke, but also said he, you know, the food's not that big of a deal. I want to see my twin. I want David to be able to come here and I want to be able to spend time with my brother before I'm put to death. Right. The state actually grants this request and his brother is allowed to come spend time with him and they spend four hours hanging out, eating the pizza,
00:48:44
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There is some dispute over how many pizzas they ate. It is rumored that they like literally sat there and ate four pizzas for four hours hanging out. People got kind of pissed about it. Tomato, tomato. I mean, if you're about to tell me that his brother helped him escape, I'm going to hang up on you. You've already hung up on me once. We had a restart from the beginning. Well, I don't feel bad about that. I would feel even less bad if you tell me that
00:49:13
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His brother got him out. OK, all right. So in 15, the drapes open areas strapped to the table on the gurney for lethal injection. He has written a statement beforehand that the sheriff read. He's sorry to the families, his family and for what he's put them through. He's sorry to the victim's family. He can't undo what he's done.
00:49:40
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Actually in, in his 40 years at prison, he really did like, he, he made a turnaround, realized the errors of his ways. He was very remorseful. Didn't fight. He didn't find him the appeal. The whole appeal process was state getting their crap together. You know, didn't, didn't Bundy say that like he was saved at the end? A lot of them do. I'm just saying it's not me to judge, right? But you're judging. No, I'm saying you report yourself. Yeah.
00:50:10
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Well, and that's what he didn't, you know, he, he laid there quietly. The judge read his apologies. The judge, not the judge, the sheriff, the sheriff looked at him and says, do you have any last words? He said no. He looked over at his brother through the glass in his knee and he mouthed, I love you to them. And they start the injection. Um, this is where it gets weird. So they, they start the injection of the injection, right?
00:50:39
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He is not Spider-Man, is he? Just listen. Honestly, I don't know how I feel about it. So they start, they start giving the injection. He is still breathing. Like you can still see his chest rising and falling, right? And the curtains close. Okay. And they remain closed for like 25 minutes. And the curtains open back up. And he's just laying there still.
00:51:07
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And a doctor walks in with a white coat that says the soap declares them dead at 10 43. And the curtains close again. The execution took 23 minutes, which is the second longest execution since the 1900s, which was a botch hanging. But no one knows why, because they kept opening and closing the curtains throughout. And that was the end. Nebraska and death
00:51:38
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like follow through convictions, do not base that submission. It seems like they might have ironed it all out since then. I don't know. Well, I I'm just saying 2018. You you're you have a lot of weapons. OK, he could just swallow like any amount of like drugs overdose and diet. Yeah, but you have to make him a cocktail.
00:52:08
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to where he doesn't feel anything. He just goes peacefully to sleep. But his victims, on the other hand, got shot in the head. They got shot in the neck. They got shot. Like, I just don't I don't understand how we feel remorse. For those types of people, I just say, I'm sorry, this is me. I get to have my opinion. We've already talked about this. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion.
00:52:37
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I just think it's weird. Like he was still breathing when they closed the curtain. Typically they don't close the curtain. So you're done breathing. Well, I remember like, I mean, a lot of people have gone with their dog, with their dog down. All right. I did. So you remember Bentley, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:59
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Um, me and my mom both went into the room with Bentley. He was cancer ridden. He couldn't breathe. I couldn't walk with me when you went on vacation. Well, I'm just telling the public faith you calm down. No, I'm kidding. Um, but when we took him in there and we were going to have him put down, um, they gave him the injection and they kept checking his heartbeat.
00:53:28
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And you could tell that like they expected it to be over already. Yeah. And at one point the doctor even looked at us and they were like, Hey, if you guys want to go, just go ahead and go. We'll take care of it from here. And we were like, no, we're going to stay until it's over. Yeah. And we were in that office for like 20 minutes until he finally passed. And I'm like, you know, I'm not saying that
00:53:57
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I'm just thinking that there's a quicker way to do it. Oh yeah. And it costs a lot less money. I just think it's like had this great life with all his kids and Steve had gotten his life back together. Like there was a quote from one of his sons. It was like, at this point, I don't think they're ever going to ever going to make this guy pay for what they did to my dad. Like.
00:54:19
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I believe when I see it basically, but I don't know. It just sucks that one kid's stupid, angry decision to be able to have heroin money destroyed two families that I mean, you know, everyone always sits here and they talk about addiction being a disease. I mean, I've, I've seen what it does now watch what it does. But the initial choice is yours.
00:54:49
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And honestly, like once you once you go down that rabbit hole, I can remember my cousin before he passed away. He passed away of a heroin overdose. But back when I was in my teens, I was like maybe 16, 17 years old. He called me, not me, but he called our house from the jail. I was the one that answered. I accepted the phone call.
00:55:14
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And he talked to me for a few minutes and we never talked much. Yeah. Um, but he, he straight up was like, Lisa, just don't, don't do what I've done. Although I'll tell you that. And I was like, you know, I love you. You can get through anything, you know, just trying to be like hyper supportive. And he said, just shut up, shut up. I want you to hear me. You can take one hit of something.
00:55:43
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But you will never, ever feel that way again. And you will live the rest of your life chasing that high. And it's never coming back. It's never coming back. And that one is that was one of the last times I ever heard from them. And it was it's realistic. It is. And the things you'll do for that is. Oh, you'll like still from everybody, you know. Because it's not it's not you.
00:56:13
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No, it's it's not you in the slightest. No, it's a disease. A hundred percent. And until you want to fix it, there's nothing you can do. But you need real help. Yes, yes. No, like. Not a little intervention in your mama's basement, like you need to go get help, but you have to watch you or you're just going to be continually going for help and nothing's going to change.
00:56:38
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And it's not even just the help. It's it's it's the accountability after. That's going to keep you active. Yeah. You know what I mean? Agreed. Because you can't just go through rehab and then spin everything around and be like, oh, I've been clean for six months, but I'm alone and I hate myself and I hate my fit. And then you just go right back into the depression tube.
00:57:06
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And it brings you back to that negative energy, really, that, that took you there in the first place. I agree. 100%. So anyways, that's, that's my story. Man, your stories are the worst. I know. Sorry. All right. Well, I guess it's my turn and I am in the state of Nevada. Super excited. Yeah.
00:57:36
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Thanks for the very, very delayed response, but whatever. I was trying not to touch my chip in the microphone. Thank you. Are we meeting? I'm sorry. I haven't had dinner yet. It's late. Oh. All right. So the story that I chose tonight, not so long. But I really like the laws that are weird. So.
00:58:05
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I found a couple of those from Nevada. OK. And I really hope you appreciate these, because I think they're amazing. All right. So number one, you cannot ride a camel on a highway. Are there camel riders in Nevada? In the 1800s. It's a desert, right? Camera transporting goods across the desert to Nevada.
00:58:35
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And apparently camel traffic on highways became a problem. Um, and it was, it was that one, was that one. Wow. So guys know no camels and Nevada. I wonder if you got on a camel, if they'd give you a ticket. Absolutely. I want to know now. I mean, if they can give me a ticket, we're going one mile over the speed limit. I feel like we're going to meet that quota guys.
00:59:04
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OK, and if you're riding a friggin camel ballad, it is what it is. Yeah. All right. All right. So you cannot hula hoop. On Fremont Street, so downtown Las Vegas, you just can't hula hoop. You just can't hula. Don't they watch tick tock? There's like that whole hula hoop weight loss craze where you do the weighted hula hoop.
00:59:30
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People need to lose weight, bro. Not in downtown Las Vegas. On Fremont Street, specifically. Yeah. Fremont Street. How many hula hoopers are there? Um, apparently enough to make a law about it. Right? And I'm sitting here wondering, I'm wondering like how far back does the hula hoop actually go? Apparently far. Far enough. Far enough to make a law.
00:59:58
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Well, I guess if you're hula hoopin' like in the main drag, you're gonna hit people, it's gonna start fights because people are drunk. Is it Vegas in Nevada? Seriously? I don't know my states. I don't know geography. Don't judge me. Yes. Las Vegas is in fact- Yeah, Las Vegas, Nevada. In Nevada. Yes. I'm there. Are you with me, honey? Are you with me? I'm editing that out. Don't worry. Yeah. No, no. No, no.
01:00:25
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All right. So if you have a mustache face, you cannot. You cannot kiss a woman in Eureka. Is that like a town? Apparently, I'm OK with that. And hopefully nobody will have a mustache in 1900s. Various laws prohibited men face men's facial hair in the US, sometimes for religious reasons in Eureka.
01:00:54
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This law still is on the books. Though, well, this, according to this website, hopefully not enforced. You would think. I want to know who reads the laws that's in depth to find this stuff. I don't know, but this one amazes me and I kind of love it a lot. This is like has to be number one primo. You can hang someone.
01:01:25
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Hang them, Faith. Like to death? Hang them to death. For shooting your dog. Period, like they shoot your dog. I can hear crickets farting right now. That's a law in Nevada. You can hang someone for shooting your dog. In the 1800s, when Nevada was largely considered the wild west, dogs were more than pets.
01:01:52
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Uh, they were used primarily for protecting herds of sheep and cattle. Okay. I would like to know and harming dogs led to severe punishment. You shoot their dog. It's going to be an issue. Yes. But imagine a world where you could hang someone. Yeah. But you know that they would charge him with murder. I don't care what's on the books.
01:02:21
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I knew there had to be more to the law than just that's it. That's why. Well, I mean, like technically, technically adultery is still on the books in like every U.S. state. So like you cheat on your spouse, they literally can attempt to press charges. Yeah. So I'm just saying. Wow. The who I think is my favorite.
01:02:49
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I don't know, man. I think the hanging the dog is kind of amazing. Right. Yeah. But the most ridiculous is 100 percent the hula hoop. All right. So you've heard of Reno, right? Never got a Reno. Yeah. You cannot lay down on the sidewalk. Why? Right. That's Reno. You cannot.
01:03:19
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spray paint a shopping cart and keep it in your basement. But you can keep it in your yard. Maybe, maybe. What's a shopping cart? This is I'm sorry, this is the website I'm going to read. This is a sighting, right? Once a shopping cart is painted, it's hard to tell.
01:03:48
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where it was stolen. And so this law helps to prevent. Cart theft. OK. Are we still good? I'm still there. No, I changed my mind, Faith. I have a new favorite. OK. Who will hoop? Still my favorite so far. No, no, no, not yet. Not yet. This is number nine. This is number nine. OK.
01:04:18
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You cannot pawn your dentures in Las Vegas. Why does that need to be a law? I have never seen on pawn stars that I'm trying to sell some fake teeth. Can you pawn someone else's dentures? Maybe it was Elvis's dentures. No, it says you cannot pawn your dentures. Didn't say you couldn't pawn someone else's.
01:04:45
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No, it says you cannot pawn your dentures because dentures are considered to be described medical devices because they cannot be sold. They cannot be sold or auctioned off in any capacity. Not sure why anyone would want to use use dentures, but
01:05:12
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You know, they've sold famous people's dentures before. That was a legitimate like quote from. Hold on. No, it went away. Chicken. No, stop. Shook and stone dot com. All right. Last one. Number 10. You cannot walk the streets in Elko without wearing a mask. How long has this all been in effect?
01:05:42
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uh well let me read please by all means uh nowadays walking down the streets in a mask would draw some strange looks but really when the influenza pandemic hit nevada in 1980 lawmakers had to force citizens
01:06:03
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to take precautions against the spread of the disease. Hmm. Let's see some of that. So apparently Elko has been in a mask since 1918. They have not. I mean, I'm just saying. I'm just saying that was the law. That was the law. Then we have the Rona right where it was mandated. The hot topic. Let's not get into the mass debate.
01:06:31
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Yeah. Oh, I'd love to. All right. So, Nevada, what's your true crime story? Just move along. All right. Great. So, I'm sorry, but those were funny. Those were the hula hoops, still my favorite. I'm going to take everybody on a camel ride. To the hula hooping. Back to the, no hula hoops. Back to the state of Nevada. Now, when you think about the state of Nevada, like what, what, what do you think?
01:07:02
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What do I think? What comes to your mind? Yeah. That's easy. Gambling. Gambling. I guess. I mean, I've never been there. Are the shows. All right. So you got them. Yes. The Vegas lights. Here we go. I couldn't think of the word. I want to say showgirls that I knew that wasn't right. Close enough. Chippendales dance. All right. But when you think what? But when you think of gambling,
01:07:31
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Like back when Vegas really became the mob. The mob. Is this a mob story? I love mob stories. No faith. Oh, well, no, it's a mob story, but it's like it does not take place in the way back machine. I like way back mob stories. They're my faves. Oh, no, no, no, honey. So this
01:08:01
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particular story that I'm about to share with you guys again. It's short. And I'm going to tell you, I am going to follow this story because I need to know. I need to know. All right. So there was, uh, um, a story posted on the New York times. Um, ABC seven Chicago. Uh, let's see. ABC news. Okay.
01:08:30
Speaker
The Washington Post. Sorry, I'm going through all my notes here. Hold on. Fox five Vegas USA today. So every major publishing every major publishing. And I don't know how I miss this. Yeah, I don't know that many guys. There's videos on YouTube.
01:08:58
Speaker
Everything on the internet is true. So this this is pretty factual. Pretty. Yeah, you suck. All right. So. Now we have a lot of great lakes, right? I don't know where you're going with this. I'm afraid to answer. Yeah, your name. You got to answer. Yes. Some great lakes. Right. Right. Rivers.
01:09:26
Speaker
Really nice places, not streams, rivers, lakes, deep. Good places to hide a body, maybe. Yeah, cement shoes. Yeah, see, we've watched the same movies. But the people that were pulled from Lake Mead, they were not in cement booties. All right. So. All of this took place in 2022.
01:09:56
Speaker
So the the no the some of the research I did was talking about like, all right, when you when you look at that coast, OK, California, Las Vegas, all all of them, they always have a water issue, right? OK, yeah. And so they at some point and I can't remember the date and it's not telling me the date and the notes because apparently I got too excited.
01:10:26
Speaker
Not OK. Wow, that sounded terrible. I know. I'm not excited, but everyone listening to this podcast likes to crime. So they understand as well. OK, so they switched and they started draining water from Lake Mead. And the tide started to go down. OK, so one of the first things that I read was a couple of girls.
01:10:56
Speaker
Um, and they were just snorkeling in Lake Mead. Um, and as I quote from them on, um, this was the Chicago ABC seven Chicago.com. Uh, yeah. As we discovered, I'm sorry, the whole thing just went away and then came back. So I'm, Oh, look,
01:11:21
Speaker
More garbage. All right. Ridiculous. All right. As we discovered more and more bones, we found a jawbone and we realized it was definitely human. So in some of the other, um, quotes from these girls that I read, they were finding just random like bone fragments. Like why they were snorkeling. Yeah. After the first bone you get out. They had no.
01:11:51
Speaker
Well, I mean, it could be anything. It's never anything. It's always a body like, you know, well, that's the point. Like you at that point in time, everything was so decomposed. You didn't really know. And then they found the job. And they were like, hmm, that's humans. That's human. I'm good.
01:12:18
Speaker
After the first phone, I had a piece right out. All right, so there were other remains found. Many of them were in barrels. Barrels. Oh, yeah. Anybody watch Dexter? I've never watched that show, actually. You should. But even in SVU and everything else, they use barrels a lot. Barrels are common.
01:12:47
Speaker
It fills with water and it sticks to the bottoms. And it's large enough to fit that American sense. A human corpse. Yeah, human corpse. And so here are all these bodies that are just kind of... So these girls are snorkeling in people's juices. Yeah, but it's not like they knew that at the time. But once you find a jawbone, you know you've got juices around to get it. Okay, no, but here's the deal. They found the jawbone. Somebody else is the one that found the barrel.
01:13:18
Speaker
Oh, that's so nasty. They wound up finding another barrel, but the barrel was empty. Can you imagine like, that's the place that you bring your kids in the summer or something? And then you find this out. Hey guys, let's go fishing. Scared. Oh yeah. This is why I don't do fishing with you. And I hate the outdoors. You know, you know.
01:13:42
Speaker
So a lot of speculation came into play, right? Right. Investigators said that shoes on the skeleton suggested the person, a man died between the mid 1970s and the early 1800s. So that's like old school gangsters. And he, yeah, he had been shot. Oh, Tony. Phil Arado.
01:14:12
Speaker
No. Yeah. Yes. Uh, no. Spiller auto. The Chicago mobs ruthless. Emissary to Las Vegas was killed and buried in the Indiana cornfield during the mob swat more than three decades ago. But nobody months on mob wars. We do. It would go so far, man.
01:14:42
Speaker
I know. How many how many movies have we watched? Right.
Lake Mead's Grim Discoveries
01:14:47
Speaker
Yeah. And they're like, oh, they're swimming with the fishies. Oh, boom. Right. And then it's like they're leading us to where all the bodies are. Yeah, they don't. Yeah. Yeah. You would think that you would do something different than what is talked about, but that's fine. Yeah. No, no. Because at that point,
01:15:12
Speaker
Like, does anybody is nobody's going to really go out there, OK? Like, uh, Milton Head Lakes, where they finally found a lost girl, right? Right. Who had drowned in Milton Head Lakes. It's not. They're not sweeping lakes, Faith. How many other people? I mean, even if you sweep a lake, it's always changing.
01:15:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. But if you guys submit booties on, or if you're in a barrel, you'd think the barrel was not going to move that much. I mean, how much movement's on the bottom of a lake? It's not the ocean. Well, here's the deal. You have a barrel that's made of metal. Right. Right. Which metal sinks. Double gooey, nastiness. And then you have a corpse also. And while that corpse might want to float, everything's filled with water.
01:16:13
Speaker
And so everything is it's like filling a beer bottle and sinking it to the edge of the lake. Yeah. It's it's just going to stay down there. That's crazy. But because of all of the precautionary measures they took, that lake like me started to recede.
01:16:39
Speaker
And the only reason they found these bodies is because the lake receded, receded, meaning it got low. Yeah. Did they drain it? It wasn't like. All right. Like in the deal where I was just going to say like in Knoxville and Tennessee, like you have low and then they release the dam and everything like goes up. Yeah. This was they were desperate for water.
01:17:10
Speaker
They switched over to Lake Mead. I would not want water. Well, every time I come on, everything's purified. OK, but how purified, you know, you still got some goo in there. Yeah, a lot of goo. Yeah, no, I'm like a fish. If fish don't want to swim there, I feel like I don't want to swim there. Yeah, I don't get in lakes anyway. Example a. All right, I'm going to change.
01:17:39
Speaker
my page here real quick. Okay. And so none of this is like amusing in a ha ha sense. It's interesting though. But all of this is being found from crimes that took place.
01:17:58
Speaker
in the way back machine in the way back machine. And it wasn't even that way way back, right? Right. I mean, like you sit here and you think of Las Vegas, the majority of our, our generation is going to think mom, right? Maybe not so much now, but
01:18:22
Speaker
How many people just disappear? They just, they went away. Yeah. Anytime we do a story, now I'm going to be like, I wonder if they were in Lake Mead. It's a possibility. A very good possibility. And so this is, this is a story that I really want to keep an eye on. Yeah. Um, so are they like DNA in the people? March. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
01:18:46
Speaker
Um, I did not find any names, but I don't think they're going to give names. I don't think they'll release those like to the public at first. No, no, no. I mean, it's the mob. And if anybody has ever watched a mob movie, you don't connect them up. No, but you end up in like me. Just I'm sorry. I didn't mean to take it that far. I just thought it was crazy. Like.
01:19:17
Speaker
There were a couple other stories that, um, that really struck my fancy. Okay. And one of them was a, um, a Vietnamese child who got, he, she went missing and then it was like, you know, 40 years later due to DNA, they found the guy.
01:19:45
Speaker
And he was absolutely 110% a shitbag. But then the more I looked through the stories from Nevada, from Nevada, I'm like, there's images. There's like, these people are unclaimed faith. They don't know who they are. But all of them have something in common.
01:20:15
Speaker
All the bodies they're bringing up? Well, they were all killed and disposed of in a very particular way. The bodies they're finding in Lake Mead? Yes. How? Shot and put in a barrel. OK. And so, I mean, guys, go out, do your own research.
01:20:41
Speaker
And if you find anything cool, not cool. Interesting. It's not. Let us know. So I've got posts that pop up from May 11th, 2022. January 8th, 2022. May 11th, 2022. May 19th, 2022.
01:21:09
Speaker
January 8th, 22, that was FBI. Okay. So that's like, uh, eight news snow.com. Yeah. And that's like an actual, like, you know, they're not going to give you any kind of information. They're just going to sit here and tell you, yeah, we found the body of blah, blah. So July.
01:21:40
Speaker
force twenty twenty two just the other day. Yeah. And that like this is something I feel like I'm I'm going to track for a bit. Yeah. If they if they really ever decided to like sweep that area, I was going to say you think they would just like. Get it all out. Yeah, you would, wouldn't you? I would. I would.
01:22:08
Speaker
I wish you don says not to then you say yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of. Yeah, I was just going to say that, like, it's kind of one of those deals, though, like how deep are they really going to go? Because it's not like the mafia ever really disappeared. You know, it's still active. Absolutely. At least in romance novels they are.
01:22:41
Speaker
They pop up on TikTok all the time, bro. Yeah, yeah. TikTok. It was TikTok. It was. I have no life. So it's time to read these days. So I know that my story is so just very quick. It's OK. But we're in an hour and a half because I talked so long.
01:23:02
Speaker
It's not that I just feel like that still it's current events happening right now, right now. No, I'm going to put an alert on my phone. Yeah, me too. Because I want to know, you know, like we have so much DNA. Scientific mumbo jumbo. Yeah. That the slightest mishap
01:23:33
Speaker
is going to tell us really what happened and who did it. And so that's what's that's that's what's curious. Yeah, I'm sitting here like reading the headlines on Google. Keep going. Oh, there's so many like me. There are bodies pulled from parts. Lake Meadster. Wise guy. Ghosts of Las Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. And that is crazy.
01:24:00
Speaker
Those barrels are not intact. You are swimming in. No, not even a little bit, which is why they said one of the barrels was empty. But I'm sitting here thinking like it went somewhere long. How long did that person decompose in that barrel? Right. Where only a crack would would just let you free. That is crazy.
01:24:27
Speaker
And all the bones they found you got somewhere. I'm telling you, I know it was just a short story. That's T in the in the job. Yeah. Yeah. And I know it's so it's very open ended. The majority of the things I do are not open ended at all, but. I don't know that just it caught the fancy.
01:24:57
Speaker
And I'm like, how many people could possibly be? And then I sit and think of like other very like populated mob areas, right? Like New York, Boston, Chicago, like, what, what?
01:25:27
Speaker
What body of water is around those places and how much money are we willing to spend? Like, okay. Like I'm, I'm going to sit here. Yeah. And I'm sitting here thinking like, I, I pay a lot of tax dollars for crap, right? I would put a little extra like hundo into like dragging these lakes.
01:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. Right. I don't know. Anyways, that's my weirdest story. Short, sweet to the point.
Local Crime Incident
01:26:00
Speaker
I am definitely going to keep up with this. Yeah. Huh. I didn't know anything about this. No. Well, like major cities. I feel like this, but like, I don't know. We're like hick town. Yeah. Geez. Oh, I'm looking at all the pictures.
01:26:23
Speaker
Speaking of hick down, right? So Faith and I both know what happened, but we had an incident very close to our home. Walking distance from my home. Yeah. Walking distance from Faith's house and then in the same neighborhood as my other brother and his wife.
01:26:48
Speaker
but they were not around at that time. So that's kind of pre milk, right? So I'm like working tens at this point. Um, my brother calls, he's like, Hey, can we come hang out? Let's blah, blah, blah. I had no idea what was going on. His wife sent me a text message, uh, from, uh, W V L T L T.
01:27:18
Speaker
um on a situation that happened and so the city were reading through it i had no idea what was going on because it didn't specify neighborhood it didn't specify like anything turns out that a guy who is already suspected of murder and faith you
01:27:37
Speaker
Take it from here because you know more. Well, there's two different. There's a lot of different stories going on locally. It is known that he shot and killed someone at UT Medical, which is a which is a larger teaching hospital here in town. And he also shot and killed someone at Herb's Market. That's the one. And then that I heard about what the Herb's Market one is the one I heard about.
01:28:06
Speaker
Um, well, I'm, I'm on this like crime alert where like any APBs that go out in the surrounding area, like I get, and I get a thing that shows what the APB was. And so you need to send that to me. And, um, but they chased him. Like I live, I, I have to drive like probably 30 minutes from my work to my house and I pick up kid on the way and the whole way, like from my work.
01:28:35
Speaker
all the way to my house, picking up the kid, whole nine yards, back roads, everything, main roads. Hops are like zooming past me, undercover, marked everything. And they keep like going the direction of my house, but I'm like, eh, whatever. Cause I live right by an interstate too. So, you know, um, I didn't really think anything about it. My husband was on the way home from work and he, you know, again, sick, has the Rona dying yesterday.
01:29:01
Speaker
And he was, he called me and he's like, why is the road shut down? And I said, I don't know. The road wasn't shut down coming from the other way, which I came from. He was like, the road shut down. So I was looking and the person that killed these two other people drove to that neighborhood where he lived and killed himself. So the crime alert, like I do not know the story. I don't know names. There hasn't been a lot out besides just dead, dead suicide, but, um,
01:29:29
Speaker
And one of the crime, local crime groups, I'm a part of, they were talking about how the family has already like come out and said that his nurse was like pushing him to do it. Or there was some talk about that and he. And that's, that's one of the questions that I asked you when we were talking earlier about this is like, what nurse like.
01:29:51
Speaker
I don't know that nurse just like we don't know. Yeah, we don't know. There's not a lot of information. I know everything they say right now because they haven't released a lot. We know that he killed two people and then killed himself. But we don't know anything else. So was it so random? Was it trying to rob someone? I don't. Could have been anything could have been drugs, could have been mental disorder, could have been.
01:30:18
Speaker
Literally anything. But yeah, no, it was like I could have walked it was like two miles from my house and there was right in my other brother's Subdivision. Yeah, cuz I thought I was looking last night and I saw the I saw the pictures of the SWAT team and I saw the back like behind them and I I knew it was where they lived and I was like, oh dang This is why the road is closed down crazy Yeah well, they ended up coming over to our house and just hanging out until I
01:30:46
Speaker
Swat left, corners left, yeah. In a nutshell, yeah. But the only thing I could think, like when all that was going on, like I know it's a harsh reality, but do you remember the episode we did on Fear Thy Neighbor? Yeah. That I did. That brings so true. Like you really just- It's nice for people. You don't know. You just don't know, man. No.
01:31:16
Speaker
You just be nice. You'll regret it. You could regret it. People go to things that you don't know about. I agree. All right. Well, anyways, yeah, my story is kind of crazy. There's going to be more of that story as it develops. Yeah, we'll update as the weeks go. Like do a little update at the beginning of episodes when we get updates. And I'm sorry that mine was so short and I did the random
01:31:45
Speaker
Random laws. I like those are fun. Yeah. And you know what, guys? Look, just stay off the cables. Don't do hula hoops. And if you have a mustache, please don't just don't kiss a woman. Yeah. Don't kiss a woman. You're not allowed to. It's against the law. It's it's just rude. It is rude. And it tickles my. Inconsiderate. Yeah. All right.
01:32:14
Speaker
We'll talk to you again here shortly. Very much so. Like in two days. So hope you guys enjoyed it.
Closing and Social Media Engagement
01:32:22
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01:32:42
Speaker
I totally saw them. Her cooking is good. It's not it's not that hard to do. So just, you know, five stars would be good. That's all we're asking. And here I thought I was going to be famous. Why, why about your cooking? My cooking, my cooking skills. Oh, no, we wouldn't want to suggest that to flies. I know. Ow. You're a good cook. All right. All right. Well, you had a great night. Have a great night. Yeah.
01:33:12
Speaker
And we will see you in two days. Yep. Bye. Bye.