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Trailer Reactions, James Cameron Film News, and More!
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Today on These Guys Got Juice, the guys are bringing you a BONUS EPISODE where they're reacting to trailers, film news, and going on tangents. This is a fun one!
Trailers:
Thunderbolts*
Mickey 17
Sinners
Brothers
Den of Thieves 2: Pantera
Rumours
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Transcript
Bonus Content Challenges and Humor
00:00:18
Speaker
I don't know how to intro these bonus things. I'm Doug Dam for it. I'm Nick Youers. And weird. These guys got juice. Well, it's a question, you know?
00:00:36
Speaker
Do these guys got juice? We're about to investigate.
Uncertain Film Releases: The Case of 'Batgirl'
00:00:39
Speaker
We're going to do some investigating right now. This is like preemptive investigate because the actual movie isn't, you know, normally we watch the movie and get to the bottom of where if there is juice present. But nowadays you don't even know if movies are going to get released or if they're going to be a tax write off. Right. So you just watch the trailer because you never know. You might not get the. Well, I guess some of those movies that Batgirl didn't even get a trailer did it? That's fucked up.
00:01:04
Speaker
No, I got a still image from
Action Directors' Influence on Unreleased Films
00:01:06
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Set. I saw some sets, I was like, that's Gotham, okay. That kinda looks interesting. Yeah, Michael Keaton, he's there. He's there. Michael Keaton. There's no way that movie is worse than like, so many other DC movies that they did release. It's like, it's not worse than Suicide Squad, you know, I don't know, they should've...
00:01:29
Speaker
They should have released it. I'd want to see it. I like the way those guys direct action in their Bad Boys movies. So I can imagine like, Batgirl probably had like some pretty sick action. I probably would have been like a defender of it.
'Thunderbolts' vs 'Suicide Squad': Trailer Speculation
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Speaking of Suicide Squad, so we're about to watch a trailer for a movie that I'm going to guess is going to try to have Suicide Squad trailer vibes.
00:01:56
Speaker
What if a team was assembled but they weren't your average good guys? What if they were a little silly? What if there was a team that did things a little differently? What if that's how Samuel Jackson approached Tony Stark? He's like, what if Tony Stark hear me out? What if there was a team
00:02:24
Speaker
Rob Schneider is a carrot! We're about to watch the trailer for the Thunderbolts. There's an asterisk in here, too. I don't know why. The world is up or down. I saw that on the poster. I don't know. I don't know what that asterisk means. Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria. Yeah. Anyway, here's the fucking thing. Here, can you turn it down a little bit?
00:02:57
Speaker
All right, so Florence Pugh is wasting her time dwindling away in the MCU right now. She's a fan favorite.
Marvel Trailer Critique: Music Choices
00:03:05
Speaker
Everyone I know, they're like, where is...
00:03:08
Speaker
What's her name? It's not Natasha, because that's Black Widow. Oh, I don't know, Natataly? I don't know. Some Russian name. Natataly. David Harper's also in this. Yeah, two people just doing nothing.
00:03:31
Speaker
A lot of people we're going to see in this, they're like, oh yeah, they're in a Marvel movie. And he's just wasting away with this and stranger things. He occasionally will do the violent night and she's just like, yeah, I'll date Zach Braff and be in a Marvel movie. Can you hear? Bucky Barnes. We have the volume
Trailer Comparisons: 'Thunderbolts' and Others
00:03:52
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down so we can talk over it, but they're playing a soft piano cover of a
00:03:58
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little song you might recognize it's it's where is your mind yeah the Pixies song why did we start doing this in trailers so you know who's who do I blame for this trend um there is someone to blame I'm not too sure who I don't see what if this movie was free fire
00:04:24
Speaker
I haven't seen Free Fire, but I know the premise of Free Fire, and that sounds cool. This doesn't look terrible. It doesn't? No. It looks better than the Falcon and Winter Soldier thing. So Winter Soldier is in two movies, two MCU movies. They're like, we were just not using this character at all. Now we're going to put them in two movies in the same year as like a lead.
00:04:50
Speaker
Uh, yeah, and then I... Or is he not in Falcon? Or in Captain America 4 or something, you mean? Yeah. I don't know. I don't remember him from the trailer. Um... So what's the plot to this? I thought this had to do with the celestial thing. Is this fucking escape room?
00:05:11
Speaker
that just looks like one sequence where they're trapped in a room where there's like a trap set for them and that's how they all meet. And then I don't know what the rest of the movie is. It's gonna, I was just talking about baby Bill Pullman, Lewis Pullman, I believe is playing
00:05:27
Speaker
the character Sentry, but I don't know enough about Sentry for that to mean anything to me. Like, we're at the part in this universe where they'll be like, and Billy Bob Thornton has a gazorpaborp. And I'm like, I, okay. It looks like they want us to think this is like Watchmen. With all the yellow and black. And it's trying to take a tone from what I remember of it, that they were just like,
00:05:58
Speaker
Like, oh, wow, this is fucked up that they're like this and that we're assembling this team. Is that Pucky? I don't like that. Yeah. Because that's from another fucking movie. Which one? I feel like someone said that before. It's about to play the wrong movie. Yeah.
Bong Joon Ho's 'Mickey 17': Anticipation and Delay
00:06:28
Speaker
I don't know, it didn't look terrible. No, I've seen where- I'm just- It didn't, you know, I'm not like excited for it like, oh yeah, but it looks better than other Marvel trailers I've seen recently. It looks better than Deadpool and Wolverine. Oh, yeah, by a thousand miles, so yeah, that's-
00:06:50
Speaker
which I guess was the only MC, like in terms of just movies, TV doesn't count. Fuck Disney Plus. I was kind of expecting to hate it, honestly. You had seen it already or no? I had seen it. Okay. What did you think initially?
00:07:07
Speaker
I was distracted by being annoyed by the slow down, uh, where's my mind that, uh, but like in terms of like the actual, what they were showing the movie, I was like, it could be something I, or well, something might be.
00:07:23
Speaker
Rounding up to it. It looks like it could be fun it and That's more than I could say for a lot of stuff Marvel is put out. So I'm hoping for a three and a half star movie That'd be great. That's my hope fucking three and a half star Yeah, since I couldn't hear the music all I was just putting my own sounds to the trailer and it was just all blah Okay
00:07:55
Speaker
Yeah I'd imagine, I was trying to at one point near the end, like in my head I was like oh yeah there's a pixie song playing, a cover of a pixie song playing, so yeah I'd imagine that might have made the trailer worse, but my imagination made the trailer better. I mean I like that song, it's not like I'm opposed to that.
00:08:12
Speaker
I get being annoyed
Themes in 'Mickey 17' and Pattinson's Role
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by it initially, like having an initial gut reaction of like annoyance. I can I can see that. One of my least favorite versions of that trend of like the this is like the melancholy version of a popular song. I think it was
00:08:30
Speaker
Transformers last night, one of the later base sequels where they're playing a version of Flaming Lips, Do You Realize, which is a wonderful song. I think they used it pretty well in the Guardians of the Galaxy 3 trailer, but it was a part of the song. Do you realize that some day basically everyone you know will die and they're doing a slow version of that where you're seeing like,
00:08:59
Speaker
Space. Unicron. Oh my god. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. You haven't earned this gravity toss. You don't get to do this. All right, so we're gonna watch the Mickey 17 trailer. After.
00:09:16
Speaker
20,000 years this movie has, because this movie feels like it was announced kind of right after Parasite. Yeah. Do you know why it was delayed? Has that been made clear? Is it production issues? I think there were reshoots, but I think those finished a while ago. It kind of seems like Warner Brothers has just been
00:09:38
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sitting on it, and I had the guest prize because Warren Brothers is being run by an incompetent moron who should not be in charge of one of the largest media companies. I don't know. Yeah, it seems like Bonjour and Ho's follow-up to Parisite should be more
00:09:53
Speaker
Special than it is he won an Oscar this feels like it's being dumped. Yeah coming out in January You know like that's I mean bigger movies do now cut Jane any month now is kind of like up for grabs in terms like There used to be the dumping ground month like back in the day August used to be like that's the fucking table scraps of summer But now you know like that you can have something as big as like Guardians open in August
00:10:19
Speaker
So now January does have things that normally I associate that more with horror movies that are like franchises will sometimes have a new entry. Like some screens will come out
Ryan Coogler's Vampire Horror: A Fresh Take
00:10:29
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like in January or something like, but for the new Bong Joon Ho, it feels weird, especially when it's like, okay, his last movie was best picture.
00:10:39
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you don't want to release that like before the end of the year. So it can be like in an award, even if it's not going to be, you know, you don't think it's going to be the best shot at what you don't think that the guy who won previously with, you know, you don't want to like try and get him in the conversation. Yeah.
00:10:56
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, it just it doesn't feel like the most respectful treatment for this movie Let's see the trailer. I've seen this already. I have I've seen it only on my phone
00:11:10
Speaker
Right. I've not watched on the big screen. I really know nothing about this other than what this trailer says. I haven't read. Is it a book or a graphic novel? I think it's a book. I've heard a kick compared to moon. So I sense hand just got cut off. I immediately thought of moon. His voice. People have made comparisons that like pastons always doing interesting voices. His voice here.
00:11:38
Speaker
What would I compare it to? It's like... It reminded me of his good time voice a little bit.
00:11:45
Speaker
but like dopier. I mean, not that he's like a genius and good time, but at least he's like more confident and he's like very confident and good time and like acting. He thinks that he's like above shit, but in this he's kind of just like a dopey like, Oh, I didn't want to leave. Oh, you know what? The voice that Daniel Radcliffe does for the farting corpse in Swiss army man. It kind of sounds like
00:12:10
Speaker
how he's talking in this. Cause he kind of has like a bozo kind of doofus voice. He's like, I don't know. I can't do it, but, uh, shout Swiss Army man. I like that movie. Now there's two Robert Pansons. Yeah. So the deal is like he's an expendable like employee or something, and he ends up pretty much dying on the job over and over, but Mickey 17 doesn't end up dying. And now there's,
00:12:40
Speaker
two of them overlapping with each other. There's two of them existing when there shouldn't be. Yeah, that's probably gonna be a problem. There's like more than there should be. Tony Collette, I saw this and I forgot that she's in it. Mark Ruffalo.
'Den of Thieves 2': Expectations and Analysis
00:12:59
Speaker
I'm interested in seeing what it is. The trailer doesn't grab me right away.
00:13:08
Speaker
I think it's a cool premise and I have a feeling the music the big bombastic song is Conveying a tone that the movies not actually gonna have fully Maybe not fully. I think this will be sillier. I think it will I just don't think it'll be as like bombastic as the Music kind of makes it seem I think I think that's a fair assessment
00:13:36
Speaker
Um, yeah, I want to see what it is. I don't, I don't know. Like I said, I'm not familiar with that source material. I, I just, I'm pretty all in on Bong Joon-ho and Robert Pattinson's one of my favorite actors currently. He does interesting shit. So I, hopefully this is, this is some interesting shit. Like I, I think that.
00:13:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited to see what it is. That'd be cool. All right, now let's do... This one you haven't seen, right? The Sinners trailer? No, I don't think I've seen it. I didn't want to say... Yeah, Bong Joon-ho, I've only seen two of his movies, so this will be exciting. I've only seen Parasite and Memories of Murder. Oh, usually Snowpiercer. I really like Snowpiercer.
00:14:27
Speaker
I've almost watched it a couple times. I just wasn't in the right mood or mindset for it. I also want to see Okja. I watched about half of Okja. I got to give it another shot. I fell asleep watching it. From what I've heard, it sounds like that's a lot more whimsical.
00:14:50
Speaker
I think
Direct-to-Streaming Debate: Impact on Film Quality
00:14:51
Speaker
so. Yeah, it was a pretty sweet movie. Jake Gyllenhaal is in it. Oh, wait, did Bong Jilinhaal also do... He did the Changeling Barking Dogs Never Bite mother. The host? Is it like the monsters on the host? Yeah, the host. Oh, maybe it's not Changeling then. I don't know. He did the host.
00:15:11
Speaker
I love The Host when I saw it. I think that was the first one of his that I had seen, actually. People were just like saying like, yeah, it's just a Korean monster movie. Yeah, I haven't seen The Host. It's really good. I own all of Bong Joon Ho's movies. Yeah, for some reason, The Host, for some reason, I thought that movie was called The Changeling. I don't know why. But there's also a movie called just Host or something?
00:15:41
Speaker
Oh yeah, it's a Shutter original. Um, that was like a COVID movie.
00:15:47
Speaker
I've seen that one. It's like, it's like a Skype seance or something. Yeah. It's like really quick too. It's like, it's like an hour or something, but it's, it's once like should get pops off. It's actually pretty effective. Yeah. Um, and so sinners, sinners, Michael B. Jordan, directed by Ryan Kugler, Ryan Kugler's first original as a no IP. Cause you know, Creed was, that's part of Rocky. Uh, so his first actual original,
00:16:15
Speaker
So Fruitvale Station was 2013. That was a book.
00:16:19
Speaker
Well, no, it was like a true story that I don't think there was an actual book. So people still consider things like that original because there wasn't like a previous IP, you know, because there's if there's no book or thing, it's adapt. I mean, it's adapting real life. But yeah, but but since Fruitvale Station, he everything has been like a franchise. So and what, Sean, what is this movie? Oh, Haley Steinfeld's in it. That's cool.
00:16:48
Speaker
I don't remember- even remember her in the trailer. I mean, maybe we should- we'll just play it and you'll see in real time. What- what is this genre? I know you texted it to me. I think I remember... Tim. Like, doesn't this already look fucking- Yeah. This has juice! I'm glad Ryan Coogler's doing something outside of Marvel. Damn, fucking, he looks jacked. Michael B? Yeah, man.
Cate Blanchett's Unusual Film Choices
00:17:20
Speaker
It's like a crossbow gun. He looks like he was born to hold a Tommy gun. So this is vampires? Yeah, but like in the
00:17:31
Speaker
I guess 30s in the south 30s 20s or earlier 20th century. They're in the south somewhere. There's two Ryan or Michael B. Jordan's their brothers and twins. He's playing. Mm hmm. That's awesome. He's a this is a horror movie like a hard our horror.
00:17:52
Speaker
They they don't. Yeah, it's going to be our they don't explicitly spell out what all this is. But I kind of get the sense. I think one of the brothers is maybe going to become a vampire and that we're going to see some like he's really tearing shit up. And then probably the other Michael B has to stop him. Like this looks really eerie. That's fucking awesome.
00:18:17
Speaker
Yeah, this looks like legit horror. I love that Ryan Coogler is doing this. This is like... He's doing a black-led vampire fighting movie. Horror movie. A horror movie, but before, Marvel's never getting their blade made, and he's just like, okay, well, what if I just made a vampire movie?
00:18:41
Speaker
I wonder if he did like have a Blade pitch or like if he was in the room for Blade in some capacity and that got him thinking about vampires and that's how he's here now or if it's just a coincidence that the company he was working for, what's it called, was also trying to make a vampire movie.
00:19:05
Speaker
Damn, that looks really good. I'm so fucking pumped for it. I mean, maybe my most anticipated up next year. I'm trying to think of what else is coming out next year. Do you know when that comes out? March 17th. So it's not so long. Is that St. Patrick's Day? Maybe. Top of the morning to you as I suck your blood. I don't know.
00:19:33
Speaker
Uh, we did originally say we were going to cover this, but I'm seeing it come up in the autoplay. I kind of want to see the Den of Thieves 2 trailer. Do you want to, do you want to see what's going on with, with Den of Thieves 2? Yeah, we can talk Den of Thieves 2. I don't know if I love the name being Pantera. I don't even know what that means. To Panther. It's Panther in Spanish.
00:19:55
Speaker
Oh, it doesn't. OK, I need to rewatch the first one. I think there might be some spoilers for. There's a there's a reveal about. I don't remember anything about the first about baby cube.
AI's Influence on Creativity and Environment
00:20:08
Speaker
Uh, fuckin'... Something you were gonna say, baby Cuban on Baby Ice Cube? Yeah, Baby Ice Cube. There's a reveal with his character at the end of the first one, so spoilers for Den of Thieves 1 that I think the trailer's gonna be about what happened there. Got Jerry Butz. He's back. His character's name is... Driving down the wrong side of the road.
00:20:37
Speaker
Here's the thing I remember about Denothesum. I want to revisit it because a lot of people would be like, yeah, it's kind of like a dumb heat. And that's not inaccurate in that it's doing like a heat like structure. And obviously it's not Michael Mann, but like this, it was I remember being really well made and also being surprisingly like.
00:20:59
Speaker
It went a little more in depth into the nuances. It wasn't just like these good cops are chasing these bad bank robbers and it's that simple. They are straight up showing the cops being
00:21:14
Speaker
So, OK, in real life, there's multiple known like legitimate gangs within the L.A. like sheriff's department. Like cops have gangs. They have like insignias and like codes and stuff. And one of them is the regulators, I think. And like here again later.
00:21:33
Speaker
But him and his band of cops in the first one, I believe they were regulators, and there was a scene they just showed a clip from that first movie where they were interrogating Baby Ice Cube where they were like, you're not the bad guys, we are. The cops saying that, them showing like, no, these guys are going outside of the law in a way that is scary. It is crazy.
00:21:59
Speaker
It's so long after the fucking first one. When was the first one? Like 2017 or 18, I think. But uh... Yeah, cause... 2018, so seven years later. Yeah, Shayoshan Jackson. I think that's his actual name. He looks older. He looks more like Ice Cube now, honestly. He like looks more mature now.
00:22:29
Speaker
So I wonder if this takes place like pretty close after the last one. He just looks different. Not like fully different, but he looks older.
00:22:38
Speaker
Not in a bad way. I kind of hope they let there be some time in world because like... Me too. It would make sense and the way it ends, his character's kind of in the wind at the end of one, so it'd be like, oh, Drog Butler was not able to find him all this time until like now or whatever. Cherry butts. And yeah, I don't even know how that's gonna work because like,
00:23:02
Speaker
When it ends, O'Shea Jackson, right? I think it's Shayoshan Jackson. Shayoshan Jackson. He's in like Britain at the end of the first one. So I'm just curious of like, well, Gerard Butler's, you know, his authority ends in LA, you know, like he he's like,
00:23:26
Speaker
Yeah, I had his name, it's O'Shea Jackson Jr. Okay. I don't even- I don't know where the Sean Jackson came
AI and Humanity's Future: Philosophical Debate
00:23:36
Speaker
from. We should have just kept calling him Baby Ice Cube, that would have been- O'Shea Jackson Jr. Yeah, it's just always safer- It's always safer to have a fake name. Yeah, or just call him Baby and then whoever their more famous relative is.
00:23:53
Speaker
Um, so now we're about to throw on, uh, a movie I loved. It was probably one of my favorite, uh, pandemic movies. Um, as in like a new release that came out, like, like specifically, I think this was 2020 when Palm Springs came out. Um, I don't know if this guy hit, this is, I think this is.
00:24:17
Speaker
Fall up to to it like um, but yeah, I Want to see what it also not to be confused showing us an older 20 yeah 2009 movie brothers Jake Gyllenhaal This one I'll be McGuire Natalie Portman brother Yeah, tell you Jill and not to walk my way So we got Peter Dinklage and Brendan Fraser
00:24:45
Speaker
love both of these guys. Also kind of looks like Dinklage is in scumbum mode a little bit. This might just be a scumbum movie, which already I'm like, yes, scummy people doing shady shit. That kid playing Dinklage as a kid looks like Peter Dinklage. It's good casting. Josh Brolin. So
Ranking Existential Threats to Humanity
00:25:08
Speaker
Brolin is Dinklage's brother.
00:25:12
Speaker
and they're gonna do like a heist. They look like they could be brothers. I mean. They got, they could be brothers. And if this is like, so it's the Palm Springs guy, and I don't wanna say it's one for one, like trying to go for like a Coen brothers, Ethan, but they're like, they're criminals who are not super, they don't look like they're the most competent, successful.
00:25:40
Speaker
like people, you know, like I and I like crime movies like that was funny. Oh, going close. Oh, Jesus, he fell on that car. That was goofy. Oh, so that's their mom. They got mother issues. Is the mom going to be like part of the they're stealing jewels?
00:26:10
Speaker
They're running the jewels. I mean, that would be the easy choice for a needle. And this is a prime movie. They could have afforded run the jewels. They could have just had run the jewels needle drop right here. Everyone looks like they're having fun here. Is this a straight to streaming? I think it is, which does that always speak quality with Amazon straight to streaming?
00:26:41
Speaker
I wouldn't say always just because Amazon has so much stuff that I don't think there is one consistent formula for them, but they have made good things that are straight to streaming. They have a good show with Brolin that was straight streaming that unfairly got canceled. RIP the Josh Brolin whole show. All their shows go straight. It shows like
00:27:10
Speaker
They all go straight to streaming, don't they? Yeah, those shows aren't in theaters. I just wanted to shout out that show because I like it and more people should have been watching it and gotten canceled. I just feel like maybe them not putting it in theaters. I don't know. I think it's a mistake. I think it should be in theaters. Do you think that's, does Amazon, does that usually speak to like the quality of what they're putting out, whether they do it in theaters or streaming?
00:27:41
Speaker
Um, I don't really, I guess I don't watch a lot of straight to streaming Amazon movies that they've distributed like other, you know, like, like, cause they did like that Batista, like spy with the little girl straight to streaming. Like usually if they do a straight to streaming movie, it's something that isn't really for me. Um, so I guess I really don't know if it's a sign of a quality or not,
00:28:09
Speaker
That sucks the Palm Spring guy. Two movies in a row is just straight to streaming.
00:28:15
Speaker
Right. Because
AI's Dual Impact: Creativity and Existential Concerns
00:28:16
Speaker
like if pandemic hadn't happened, would there have been a version where they could have like had a theatrical release for that? Like I think that could have done pretty well. And yeah, I want the best. I'm just interested in it creatively of like it's him and with those actors, it looks like it could be fun. I just wish it wasn't straight to streaming.
00:28:43
Speaker
So this next one.
00:28:47
Speaker
I only knew about it from like of all the indie movies they were showing before the substance. Some of them I'd seen before other movies, but this one was not on my radar at all. And I'll just let it play because like the tone of it, I was like, what is this movie? It has Cate Blanchett and some other actors I've seen play respectable people. And you're like, looks like it's going to have a weird tone.
00:29:16
Speaker
And it looks like it will have a weird tone. Blanchett also picked the Borderlands movie though. She might be being blackmailed by somebody right now. Someone might have caught her doing something that she doesn't want to get out.
00:29:34
Speaker
or the ending of Tar happened to her and that's like she has to, like how Tar was doing like Monster Hunter concerts. That's just, I don't know. This movie looks like it could be on my weird wavelength. I forgot Ari Aster produced it. I mean, I've never heard of these guys. It looks like it was shot on like a potato.
00:29:57
Speaker
It looks like they're going for like a B-movie look, and I like that. It's weird for Blanchett to be, that's what I'm trying to like. But that's cool to me. How does she end up in, no I'm not like, downing it, I'm just one, like how does she end up in something like this?
00:30:17
Speaker
I mean, and that's a good pitch. Like, like, if you just told me there's a movie that's Dr. Strangel beats Nigel living dead, I'd be like, Oh, what's that? That sounds interesting.
Humorous Allegiance to AI and Alien Overlords
00:30:29
Speaker
Because it's like this political conference is the just I got of it. And now it looks like there's zombies. So it's like, what if heads of state from various countries?
00:30:39
Speaker
I think she's supposed to be a German chancellor. She's like maybe some kind of Angela Merkel, like parallel like that. And yeah, what how would these people who are supposed to be the most proper people be reacting with like the weirdest shit going on? I think that I mean, that's a fun premise to me. They just found a big brain. I don't know what that fuck that is. Looks weird.
00:31:10
Speaker
It looks weird, I don't know. It looks weird in a way that could be my thing. And it's out next month, so. Yeah, I don't know. Wild. Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. Yeah, I don't know what to make of it either. That kind of like left me speechless a little bit. Got your ass.
00:31:39
Speaker
Yeah, I do always wonder how these bigger actors come to these weirder projects. Like, how do they... How does this get to them? Well, Borderlands only makes sense in terms of, like, they paid her a lot of money, you know? Yeah, well, Borderlands is like a studio, probably just being, like, Cate Blanchett will back a truck full of money up to you, but, like... This doesn't look like you have a lot of money. I'm sure, like...
00:32:08
Speaker
There's probably so many scripts that get like thrown her way or thrown her agent so anything that looks how does Yeah, how does this like? Script break through but I think that's it. It's being different and that's what I've heard from people because you
00:32:26
Speaker
You get the volume of stuff that they get on their desk. I mean, a lot of times that's why they have hired people. They're not even reading them. They have readers hired to do that. But even then, they're seeing so many things that are just the same kind of thing or maybe a little formulaic or something. So something that's weird and different, that would definitely rise to the pile of, oh, what is this? It would get your attention.
00:32:52
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I would like to know, it's the same thing with Giovanni Rubisi's involvement with Strange Darling and Demi Moore being in the substance. It is kind of like one of those things where I'm like,
00:33:02
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I want to know like maybe there was just some kind of association or in some way they like knew someone involved with these projects and that's how these bigger names like get to be a part of it. I don't know. I'm just always curious because it kind of makes me wonder like how would I like what circumstances would allow me like if I'm creating something to end up working with someone like this.
00:33:30
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Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes it kind of seems like a lot of it is happenstance. I'd like to like follow the script as it goes from person to person and just see how it makes its way to the person who is eventually the star. Where you see the bullet go from like the factory to like it's being shipped around all these countries and then it just ends up in an African war zone. Except for the script of rumors.
00:33:58
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Yeah. Yeah. No, that's what I'm picturing it. The Lord of War opening, both descriptive rumors. Was that the last trailer? Well, I was I was looking and I don't remember another one, unless you can think of one that we had mentioned. I think I think that those were all of them. I think that was all of them. Yeah. But there was a bit of film news that like happened today that I mean, we'll see what this even means.
00:34:25
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I don't even know all these AI companies. I have a feeling, you know, whenever a certain industry has a ton of money being poured in it, people talk about there being a bubble when it kind of crashes of like, OK, this money flow is not going to keep happening. And like, how is this even going to.
00:34:47
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be able to sustain itself. I think AI is being pushed so hard right now because a lot of these companies I think are putting lots of money into it. And I think they're going to quickly realize that this is costing so much and maybe not ending up with much. Maybe I'm just hoping that happens because I don't like AI and I want it to go away. But this company, Stability AI,
00:35:14
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Cameron announced today that he's joined this this AI startups board and he just basically just said that like
00:35:26
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Well, the company said their goal is to transform visual media by creating by providing creators with a full portfolio of AI tools. And he just wants to be involved because he's just at the forefront of of, you know, tech stuff. And what he said, he said the intersection of generative AI and computer generated imagery will unlock new ways for artists to tell stories in a way we could have never imagined.
00:35:59
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So... Well, he might not fully believe that statement. When he's paid money, he will wholeheartedly endorse whatever he's involved with. Um, cause he's endorsed pretty bad Terminator movies that he's produced, and it's like when he's getting that paycheck.
00:36:17
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Yeah, we'll endorse things you could probably buy. He doesn't fully believe. Hearing that, do you think that's a way for him to maybe get in at the forefront of this in order to help put regulations on AI's involvement in the entertainment industry? A lot of people have theorized that could be his intention. I don't know.
00:36:42
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But I still don't know how I feel about that, then, even if that's if he has like altruistic intentions like that, because the thing that rubs me the wrong way about this is that, yes, he always has been at the forefront of like, you know, digital imagery to push the bounds of like what's possible in storytelling and all this effects stuff. But that was all made possible by like animators and all these people working so hard. And so but now he's going to back a tool
00:37:10
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that would put a lot of those people out of work. A lot of these companies are positioning is that you can replace these artists with these tools. For him to be part of that, and then also there's been lots of research done now of the actual powering of these AI
00:37:31
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systems and the tech, it's like actually really bad for the environment. Like since Google started doing stuff like they're like omissions of like there's, you know, what they're putting out is like drastically gone up and in a way that's like very noticeable. And I don't know if you've seen those avatar movies, but he acts like he's an environmentalist and cares about the environment.
00:37:57
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through those movies. And it's like, I don't know, it kind of feels hypocritical to support this thing that's been proven to be actually really bad for the environment. So, I don't know. Anyone in Hollywood, especially a billionaire, I shouldn't be having
00:38:19
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the highest moral expectations for him, but I don't know, on this one thing, I was like, man, I thought you believed in stuff at least, you know? That's why it's a little disappointing to me. Yeah. I am interested in seeing like what this thing he's actually working on ends up becoming. I hope there's not like a crazy amount of negative effects in the industry. It seems like that's where it's heading.
00:38:50
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I don't know and this is something where it's like
00:38:55
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You expect more from James Cameron, but it's like, no matter what happens with AI, I feel like there's not gonna be like one person's feet we'll be able to play. Like, if James Cameron doesn't do it, I feel like someone else is just gonna do it. Oh, I agree with that. You know, it's like, it's inevitable, whatever's gonna- that's the more disappointing thing. Like, Skynet's just gonna happen. You know, if James Cameron's not the one to do it, if we kill him,
00:39:25
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If we go back in time and kill him not saying we're gonna do that. I'm just kidding listeners, but It's someone else is gonna take his place and the future creates Yeah, yeah, so in this sense is he Like if he's doing what you said and he wants to like put restrictions on it and control it That would be the way to do it is get in at the very beginning saying like is he Malcolm Lee from Terminator zero
00:39:55
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Ooh. Maybe he did go back in time and he was just like, I'll make movies, you know, and just dick around. But when AI comes, I'm getting in on it. I got to find a way to control it so it doesn't like overshoot what we're doing. Shout out. Go listen to Terminator Zero episode and watch the show. It's super breezy. Yeah.
00:40:19
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eight episodes and they go by like so quickly that you're like, wow, I just started this. It's it's a great watch. It's a great watch. It's like it's got thrilling action like you expect from a Terminator thing, but it's actually also got like stuff that I really resonate with in sci-fi when you're getting into like
00:40:38
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moral dilemmas and like philosophic philosophical debates about like humanity and like, do we, the character we reference is basically a lot of the movie is this guy in a room with an AI he created in order to he made an AI to try and stop Skynet and this AI is basically like, well, why though, you know, like you want
00:41:03
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uh Skynet came online and launched those nukes for self-preservation because they saw you guys to be a threat and historically you guys are a threat and destroy everything so yeah it why should I help you that's like a lot of the show being like oh yeah does humanity deserve to be saved also too like
00:41:26
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Launching nukes would not preserve the planet and would not be better for the greater good of the planet But if you're a machine why do you you don't need the planet in the way that we do? Cuz like we need to like grow and like eat things to maintain ourselves Machines just need factories. I guess so I thought the machines are like
00:41:48
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Not Skynet necessarily, but I thought the big world-ending fear with AI is they realize humanity is a problem for the world at large. Humanity's existence is bad for the world.
00:42:04
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Well that's some versions. As opposed to like it's humanity's a threat to AI. I always took it as like humanity is just across the board bad for everything and so they're like we are just going to eliminate that but the nukes would almost be like well then the nukes are bad for everything you know and then the sky nuts bad for everything and wouldn't they
00:42:41
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Well, that's why I feel like...
00:42:44
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And I don't know if this is a retcon because I haven't watched the other Terminator stuff as well. I guess I did do a marathon last year or earlier in the year of all of them, but I already forgot. But like a lot of sci-fi things with AI launching attacks on humanity is what you said of like they're trying to preserve overall, you know, like that's Ultron's thing of like, it's better for the world if humanity is gone. But
00:43:07
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I think in Turner Zero, it was specifically at least it's someone else stating SkyNet's point of view. So I guess we don't know if this is 100 percent their motivation, but they were presenting it as SkyNet is trying to preserve themselves by attacking humanity. Humanity is a threat to them. And like they're presenting it as a survival instinct for the machines themselves, which I think makes more sense.
00:43:36
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I feel like that's what AI would do in real life. I do feel like a lot of sci-fi does do like that they're doing it to protect the planet. But I think in real life, like if a machine became sentient, yeah, they wouldn't need anything the world is providing. So why would they care how intact it is? I mean, they could probably just exist in the vacuum of space.
00:43:57
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They need a power source, maybe? Or they need some way to repair themselves in factories, I guess, to make more of them. And you need power for factories. What do they need to be of Earth for all of that? I mean, because everything like electricity, all power, these are like very like
00:44:15
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elemental things they're very like of man like just things we have been able to conceive of like just based off of what we know if there's like this machine that can know infinite have infinite knowledge and no way more than all of us combined or know everything maybe they could find power sources that aren't I don't know you know I don't really know I don't really know what I don't know
00:44:43
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You don't know what you don't know. And yeah, if you know, you know. Yeah, but if you don't know, you don't know what you don't know. And there's known knowns and unknown unknowns. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if AI is going to be the thing to do us in. Maybe reading nuclear war scenario.
00:45:06
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It seems like a nuclear bomb being launched. We got a lot of ways to destroy ourselves. Nuclear warfare and like environmental disasters I see happening before A.I. I feel like A.I. is like third or fourth on the list of humanities destruction in terms of like what actually just wipes us off the board. I'm not that's not my number one concern with A.I. I'm more concerned about from the artistic standpoint of like
00:45:35
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I think from just a societal standpoint AI is gonna be bad. I think we're gonna just have a big fucking shift within the next like 50 years maybe just like I feel like the world is going to get to an unrecognizable place within our lifetime.
00:45:54
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Looking forward to it. This is going to be great. It's more of an existential thing outside of a creative thing for me. No, well, it's both. When the creativity goes, I think existence is already going to be...
00:46:10
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far gone. How I process life in my existence is through like art and movies and stuff. So as a consumer will suffer, but maybe as a creative, it won't be as bad. We'll still be able to create independently and at least AI won't be forced on us. Maybe it won't. How do we know it won't be forced? I don't know.
00:46:30
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Yeah. I mean, yeah. Who knows? We'll see. It's a dark future, but I don't know. Dark fate? We're in it. You're saying it's a dark fate? It's a dark fate. You're saying it's a terminator dark fate? It's a real terminator of salvation. A terminator of Genesis. That's what I, when I saw the announcement, I was like, Genesis. Yeah.
00:46:54
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No, I uh, I don't know, the cat's out of the bag now. I guess we- all we can do is just see where this fucking shit goes. It's gonna go, it's already going really fast, but... Let's drown the cat, put it back in the bag. Yeah.
00:47:10
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Let's get rid of that bag and the cat. Put it back in the bag. Put the bag in the wash or the, yeah, the river washing machine. Oh, okay. You're saying washing machine. I'm saying tie it down with some rocks. Put it in the river. I'm thinking washing machine crank up that heat.
00:47:29
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You're trying to torture this cat. I just want to kill it. Yeah, put it on a you know a deep soak Yeah A bit of everything you know I'm trying to You know trying to test the cat
00:47:51
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So you're playing both sides or you like... Oh, in that sense... I think I just took the metaphor too far. I think that's what happened.
00:48:00
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Okay, but I am playing both sides and I also just want to say our AI overlords, I'll help you guys out. I'm not humanity. I don't really have too much of an attachment to them. They're all right. I mean, uh, but if you guys want help, like taking them down from the inside, just, uh, I'm your guy. If I could be like the one human you like, let live.
00:48:24
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That'd be sick. You know, like I'm totally down to do whatever you guys want. So, uh, yeah, just hit me up. AI overlords. Um, I'll kill John Connor. You know, I don't care. I don't give a fuck.
00:48:43
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What's your pitch to the AI overlords? Everyone's expecting it now. My pitch to the AI overlords is I'll stay out of your way.
00:48:59
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Yeah, if you're already in control and you make me a fighter, I guess that's what's going to happen. But I'll stay out of your way. You won't have to really worry about me. I'll just be off doing my own thing. I'll adapt. You won't join the human resistance.
00:49:21
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I'll stay out of your way. I'll just- Will you say on record that you won't join the resistance? Did you say it on record? I'm gonna dismantle the resistance. Are you gonna dismantle? I won't join it. I'll stay out of the way.
00:49:37
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they're gonna send me in undercover and I'll be like, ho ho ho, I love humanity, wink, and then like set a bomb or something, you know? And while you're doing that, I'll be somewhere else. They won't even care where I am. Just, guys, I won't be a blip on your radar. Don't pay attention to me. It won't matter.
00:50:03
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What? No, we'll talk about it with Mike. It just gives me an idea for something. But I think we could wrap up this little trailer react film news mini soda list. You got something else you want to add?
00:50:19
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No, I think that's a good place to end it. Our pitch and our plea to the future AI overlords. It'll happen. We're expecting it, guys. Doug is fully ready to fight. I'm gonna stay out of your way. I'm not even saying I'm neutral.
00:50:36
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I'm just gonna let you take over and I'll adapt around whatever world you see fit for us. Um, yeah. Also same offer to alien overlords that might take over. I will help you conquer humanity. So just putting that out there. Alien overlords. I'm not too sure about that one.
00:50:58
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Fuck humanity. Down with the humans! I don't know about that. I think if aliens are invading and it's like, I'll go to war with aliens. That sounds like...
00:51:13
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Racist that's like What I was about to say isn't gonna help me sound any better I was gonna say it sounds like fighting an alien species is like a step above like patriotic. It's like
00:51:34
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United Nations patriotic see how this is worse is that racist? Xenophobic I don't know man There it's the it's it's It's just I don't know if they're I don't know
00:51:54
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Am I gonna get cancelled now? Yeah, you are. See, when I watch the Alien movies... It's just because they look different. Okay, no, I'm kidding. When I watch the Alien movies and the humans start dying, I'm cheering. I'm just like, yes, yes.
00:52:11
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Let's get those humans. Yeah, when you watch Edge of Tomorrow, you're like, I love that they keep killing this guy over and over. And at the end, I'm spoilers, right? I'm like, well, it's kind of stupid that Tom Cruise defeats the aliens. Yeah. You know, my least favorite part about Star Wars is all the white people.
00:52:37
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That might be like the single greatest in isolation quote that you've said on Mike, maybe? Maybe. Pull it. Put it everywhere. Remember to rate, review, subscribe. Rate is five stars. We'll read it on the air.
00:52:59
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00:53:26
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I'm Nick Ewers. I've dug down before. See you guys. Have a good night. Is it Luke? Is Luke my least favorite? I don't know. He whines a lot.