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Top 20 AFL Fantasy pre-season watchlist | #PODPOD
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It's time to start talking about some names for our pre-season watchlist, looking at the players who could make or break our 2023 AFL Fantasy season! Three blokes who have won multiple hats (and one who strongly believes he'll get one in 2023) talk about the 20 players that need to be monitored closely as we begin to build our starting squads.
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Transcript
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Introduction and Host Overview
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Welcome to the Pod Pod, it's ya boi, Dossie. Back on this Wednesday night, December 21st and just around the corner from holiday season, let's talk some AFL fantasy. Things are starting to get into motion, we're seeing some prices dropped, we've got our magic number now and fantasy pre-season is essentially in full swing. With me on the show today, as always, we have
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Two-time top 10 finisher, the 2021 runner-up. He's the Prince of Perth. It's Kyle Holmesy. Holmesy, how are you, mate? Yeah, good, Dos. Exciting episode for us today. We've got a good special guest. And to be honest, I'm just happy that you introduced us as the pod pod and not the quad pod this week.
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Yeah, it was a rough start last week. I was trying for a new little thing and it didn't really come off. It didn't catch on. What's that thing from Mean Girls? Quadpods not going to happen. It's certainly not happening. I think I butchered that quite as well. So I'll move on pretty quick. But we also have the statesman, the former five time top 100 finisher and a man reliving his past glory day to day. Sato, mate, how are you? I'm very well. Have you got a
00:01:29
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Hat Carl? Have I got a hat? Not a real dream team one, like you do, but yeah, I do have a hat status. You got two hats? Yeah, I've got two hats. Dossie, before you work on my next guess, you might ask him the same question. Dossie, have you got a hat? I own many hats. Specific ones are you talking about? Yeah, I am. You know what I'm talking about.
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You can
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I will, Stado. Hopefully his don't have as much dust on him as yours do.
Impact of AFL's New Sub Rule
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But with Louis unable to make the show tonight, we've sort of backed in the AFL's new sub rule because this year coming up in 2023, he's going to be our permanent, permanent sub for the season. He'll be coming in as a regular special guest. And it's another, as Stado alluded to, two-time. I've written in my notes, are you a two-time top 10 finisher as well, Harmony? Yes. Hi, Dusty. Thanks for having me.
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introduce the next guest. Maybe you ask him the same question.
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I think it was a six and a two. So yeah, two top 10 ones there. Similar to yourself. Jeepers. Yeah. Well, I am. Yeah. Dossie, of course, the perennial contender and the 2023 future Hilux winner and AFL fantasy overall winner.
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Anyway, on today's show, we're going to be going round table style. It's a fun episode. It's obviously our first, well, sorry, our last show before we get into kind of the holiday season.
Holiday Break and Content Plans
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And I hope everyone out there has an awesome break and we'll be having a little break ourselves, but we'll be throwing out some content during the break as well, which is exciting. So in the next couple of weeks, you'll see some content flow out, but it won't be recorded sort of week to week. We'll be playing some
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special tapes. So look forward to that. But on this one today, we're going to be revealing the PodPods pre-season top 20. Now, pre-show we had a little bit of a chat and unfortunately I probably didn't clarify what this means to our crew here, but in general, it doesn't matter who we're going to talk about. It's our top 20. It's just our unique. We are the point of difference podcast here, boys. So it's our point of difference unique.
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pod pod top 20. Not point of differences specifically, not anything in particular in terms of pricing or anything like that. It's just our 20 players that we want to keep an eye on during the pre-season that most likely are in our plans or maybe we're going to be avoiding.
Promotions and Fantasy Resources
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I don't know. We've just put together our top five each year and then we've also got a cheeky five special mentions from Louie who couldn't make it as well. So we're going to zip through these
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relatively quickly but first of all I just want to let you guys know as always this episode of the Pod Pod is brought to you by the keeper league now remember it's not just for keeper league the old keeperleaguepod.com.au their website has a ton of resources to help you with your fantasy classic team as well
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You've got your CBAs and kick-in trends, which I'm sure I'll be going through a few of those myself today. They've got the Draftee fantasy analysis, scoring trends against teams and your weekly AFL fantasy projections, plenty of that stuff. So go support those guys. They're our sponsors this year. So support them to support us. Use the code podpod at sign up and you get 20% off your memberships.
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the link will be in the podcast description. So let's get into it.
Fantasy Strategy: Mid-Priced Players
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The Pod Pod's pre-season top 20. I'm gonna let our guest kick us off. Hami, take it away, mate. Thanks, Dossie. Very generous of you. Look, the first player that I wanted to mention is a midfielder. And I just looked at this because of the way that the AFL fantasy pricing system works. So the player that I'm looking at has a 27% discount off their
00:05:14
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2021 average because he only played one game in the 2022 season and that's Dom Sheed. I guess a few reasons why I'm interested. Being a West Coast fan, you'd know that West Coast were terrible last year. I would know. So I think that there's a role for him in the midfield coming up.
00:05:34
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And he's a guy that sort of floated around averaging that 90 mark, but he's going to come in priced at 67 for the upcoming season. And yeah, all reports are that he's training well early on. So yeah, interested in your thoughts there.
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Yeah, it's just going to be the 600K mark. So look, it's an interesting of whether you're happy to spend 600K for someone you know that's not going to be finishing in your team. It's just that point. And I think this goes back
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to people that have played the game a little while is what's that level and as the salary cap and the magic number go up there needs to be a point where we sort of say hey we've got to rise we'll lift that sort of level where you're happy to pay so I've always had it it needs to be in the fives if I'm going
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sort of mid-pricer. It can't be any higher than the five. So Dom's going to be in the six. So I've sort of just got that question mark whether it's a value and maybe that's not me resetting the limits.
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So you won't consider a Domshade price at 67 stato, but you'll consider a Wolf Setterfield at 63. Four points different. I've actually taken, no, but I've actually taken him out because of that reason. So we've got the magic number and he's, he was 68.9, which actually put him at 609,000. So I actually took him off the list once I knew at the price range. I thought he was going to be 450,500.
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So that's just too much to pay for a will set afield. So I'm really keen on him on draft leagues. Salary cap now I know his price. I'm just struggling to pay that amount.
00:07:25
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Holmsey, what's your thoughts? Because I feel like a 60s in the 60s kind of average, I don't know, for a man without a hat like me, that doesn't seem like too much to be paying. And especially if you've got what, Homi, what do you reckon, like, what are you hoping he'll average firstly, quickly, before we go to Holmsey? Like, are you hoping for something mid-90s, up to 100, something like that? With these sorts of players, I look for at least 20 points up. So I don't know, I reckon that's got him, he's got that in him. Like, that'll put him at,
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and I think he'll just be a touch over 90, depending on the role he gets, which I think is going to be a key cog. I mean, he's 28 years old. He should physically, I mean, he injured, he riddled last year, but he should physically be just about in his prime.
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Yeah, to be honest, I really like this move, I think, with the West Coast Eagles team, the way it's lining up at the moment, they have no choice but to throw a few of the younger guys through there, but I think Dom Schied will be that sort of older head that spends large chunks through the midfield and even out on a wing, so I think that 67 price tag is well, well under. I can see him averaging that 90 to 95.
00:08:33
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mark and that's going to be enough to slide him in at M8 and sort of upgrade him around the buyers. I think that's kind of best case.
Key Fantasy Defenders for the Season
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And yeah, to be honest, I think with the salary cap, I just purely look at the price that figure. So I know that his price is 67, so I don't really care that it's in the 600s or anything like that. It all just gets, the salary cap just gets adjusted accordingly. So I just look at the price that figure.
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And just quickly calculate it's 572, so not as bad as I thought. So yeah, he's worthwhile having a look if he's playing in the midfield in preseason.
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Alright, well I love that first pick, Hami, and dare I say, potentially a little bit of a pod there as well. I don't know if he'll be sitting in too many teams to start the season, but Tom will tell I guess based on his pre-season form, but he's certainly one for the pod-pod pre-season watch list here. Alright, Holmsey, do you want to take away your first player of the night?
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Yeah, so we're going the complete opposite here and I'm very keen to hear Hami Statos and even your thoughts, Dossi, because this isn't someone that's going to be considered too heavily in the pre-season and that's Sam Docherty. So, Sam Docherty is the highest averaging defender of last year, averaging 110. So, clearly he's not coming in under priced and there's probably not a lot of value there but the main reason I want to talk about him is
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Can we start him? In my eyes he's going to be the highest averaging defender by quite a long way. You go down the list and there's question marks surrounding Jack Sinclair. Jordan Dawson started getting attention towards the end of the year and that kind of put a cap on his scores. Then you go down to the defenders that are in that sort of mid-90s range.
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I can't see what's going to change for Sam Docherty with Carlton potentially pushing into the top eight and being such a high fantasy scoring team. He didn't have a pre-season last year. He was dealing with cancer and whatnot and basically just came in for round one. What he can do off a full pre-season in a team that's on the rise, if he comes out and he just goes bang, bang, bang, and then all of a sudden the whole comp's trying to chase him, I think it could be a good leg up on the comp if you just bite the bullet early and start him.
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knowing that in my opinion he's going to be one of the highest averaging defenders and maybe by sort of 10 to 15 points on the rest of the top six pack, could we start him, Hami? I'll tell you one reason why I would consider starting him and that is because Carlton have a lot of those early round games early on. So you could look at him as a VC loophole if that's the way that the game goes this year.
00:11:14
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But it's not the sort of player that I really go for. I feel like 110, which is what he's priced at, is sort of too high. And it's likely that other people will get him cheaper throughout the course of the season. I'll give you a couple of examples. Last year, I started with Tom Mitchell and Jack McCray. They were both priced at 116. And Mitchell ends up averaging 96 for the season and McCray 103. So it's more likely that they would drop than go up, I think, at that price point.
00:11:45
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Yeah I do completely agree but then on the flip side in 2021 I started Jack McRae and Zach Merritt both who were priced at 110 and they went 120s for the first half of the year and that was a good leg up on the comp so you are right that 110 price tag is a high
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a high starting price tag. I just think that if he does get away early, it could be a big jump on the comp because not a lot of people like to start these highly priced players. And if he is 10 to 15 points better than that sort of second to third defender, then it can be a bit of a point of difference. But traditionally, I don't like paying up too much for the defenders either with the flat sort of average around that 95 to 100 mark.
00:12:25
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Yeah, to your point as well, that's probably the biggest difference for me as well, is just having that confidence in your D1 at the moment. You're just looking around. And yeah, we might even get someone like a Jaden Short or someone else regaining defensive status. But if you're looking at having a guy that we might talk about later, like Gus Brayshaw or Tom Stewart as your D1, something like that, we've lost our crisps. These guys, you don't have a lucky Whitfield potentially this year as well.
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Having that docketty in there, if he is that five to 10 points more, like you say, Kyle, just biting that bullet early, might just be having it almost like what your original kind of thoughts were with the R1 and R2 in the past, the set and forget, you are just setting and forgetting that D1, which, I don't know, Stado, do you think that's a nice strategy as well, you onboard the dock?
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Normally I wouldn't be. My plan at the moment is probably the most expensive player will be in the midfield at 916k in Jack McRae. But the defence is an interesting line and I haven't really worked it out yet and we need to have six to start and two on the bench and who they are at the moment is a big question mark.
00:13:41
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I'm thinking mid prices might be an option in defence, a max of one or two of course you don't want to go too hard.
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but the reason why you've got to look at Doherty is there's not too many guaranteed that are going to finish in the top six this early. And you've also got a situation of asking the question, who has got value? And there's not many at the moment. So there's not many showing up. So it might be necessity because you do want to have that certain number that you start with you don't need to touch because that's how you get a completed team quickly.
00:14:19
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and Doherty is clearly going to be a top six defender, clearly. Good call, Holmsey. And I guess that's part of our list is just having these discussions. We just want to open up the discussion nice and early. We've got a long time before we have to decide who we're locking in, but it's always good to sort of get these discussions flowing and start thinking about it. Stado, who have you got for your first one you want to talk about in our top 20 on the preseason watch list?
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Yeah, talking, there's two lines I don't like at the moment this year, and that's the defence and the rucks. And there's just so many question marks about the ruck line. And there's only one I have total confidence in. And we did it on the draft doctors of actually basically talking about all the downsides. The only one that doesn't really have it is Tim English. So he's my number one.
00:15:10
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So Tim English is going to be a 901k. I think he's just submitted that number one ruck roll, bringing Rory Lobb. He will play forward and relieve him. He won't take a major role as a ruckman unless Tim gets injured. So a healthy Tim, good price Tim. I don't think there's a massive upside in it. I think there's only three to five points max.
00:15:40
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But the reality is he's the only one I can go in with full confidence that he'll be a and the number one ruckman. There's a couple others that have much higher ceiling potential. There's no doubts about that, but they come with much more risk.
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Is anyone is anyone against the English start? I think. Yep. Holmes, you got something to say? No, I'm not. I'm not against it. I agree with everything Stado says. I suppose my follow up question would be, would you look to start a more fairly priced R2 in terms of if you're going English R1 at this stage in time, would you look to go off a fairly priced R2 or are you going to have to bite the bullet and go down to a more value R2 if you're paying up elsewhere?
00:16:29
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The preference will be Rowan Marshall. So you just go the lock and load. But we know role and body have been the two issues. So I want to see first that he is and will be the number one ruckman at St Kilda and then I'll take that on. Otherwise I'm just desperately looking anywhere for value.
00:16:57
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Is Tim English in your R1 calculations army at the moment?
00:17:01
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I'm a little bit the same with the rucks. It's a hard line and it's one that I think we'll all be watching in the pre-season. But look, he's in the mix. I'm just not quite sure because of the way in the second half of the season, he had some games where he didn't perform that well. So I mean, he played some hot games, don't get me wrong. 138, 132. But yeah, that's just a tinge of doubt in my mind because of that.
00:17:30
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The one thing that, and this is from the draft doctors that I was listening to this morning. So when you guys mentioned with this new sub rule or the sub rule coming back and the AFL being a copycat league, I think there's a very big chance that a lot of teams start with two ruckmen at the start of the game and then they can look to sub them out in the third quarter for a bit of run. So the rucks could get seriously, seriously ugly for us this year if teams want to go down that path.
00:17:58
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Yeah, and that's why I like English so much, because they've already got the second ruckman in their squad, but he's predominantly there to be a forward. Yeah, they've also got Sam Darcy, who potentially does a bit of rucking as well, just as that, you know, if they do go the sub off or whatever, they've still got a couple of guys that can pinch hit, but English is the man. All right, let's get on to Darcy's.
Emerging Fantasy Midfielders
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first pick and i'm going in the defensive line as well i did try and sort of mix it up a bit i've got a got a defender in and a forward in here so um my first defensive option i've got is nick dacos so look an 86.8 average an unbelievable rookie season from nick dacos but do i think he can go up another level or
00:18:50
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is there the dreaded second year blues inbound? Well I'm actually of the opinion that I've been thinking that I want to start this guy straight away on his second year and I might just have him in my every single team, a draft, my keepers, my classic team for the next 10 to 15 years at least. I honestly think he's going to be the rare kind of take it up another notch in your second year and I'll tell you why though.
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Not only has he had a fantastic first season, he played in not his primary position in his rookie year. So he's an absolute out and out midfielder as a junior with ridiculous stats that just pop, eye popping stats like your 36 type disposals of game. I think that was his average in the, in the nab league. He was just out and out the best midfielder in the comp, comes down, comes up to AFL level. They protect him. They, they give him a chance on the half back line and he's just,
00:20:00
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Potential upside all around like I think he's a minimum 90 plus guy He's still he's got a few points upside at minimum at most he can be You know a mid 90s to a potentially hundred averaging defender if he gets a slight bit more of a midfield role So yes, Tom Mitchell is coming in
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that much of
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Do you guys see, A, the potential of him playing a bit of midfield, or B, just him becoming an elite defender straight off the bat, you know, mid-90s type guy, just straight into that sort of Jake Lloyd type potential of just being almost 100 straight away, averaging 30 touches off the back line? Hamia, I'll go to you first, mate. You got any interest in Nick Daikos coming into that second year?
00:20:40
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One of your finest there, does he? I really like it. I think he's a great pick. I mean, he's a guy that they actually looked to coming out of that backline like the other Collingwood players would look for him and, you know, he would sort of drive up that wing with a long kick. So, look, a couple of flags, I guess. I think that with Mitchell coming in, it's likely that Pendles will go back to the backline again. So, don't know if that affects him. Plus, he got a couple of tags in the second half of the season.
00:21:09
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I mean, if he starts accumulating to the level that you're sort of talking about there, there's a chance, I suppose, that he gets tagged too. But I like it as a starting pick.
00:21:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think the tag is, the tag is a great point. And I think we saw sort of the outcome of that in, in some of the finals, precious situations. When he started getting attention, they threw him forward. They found ways to continue to get him to rack up the ball. And that's kind of where I think he's going to be just one of these freakish players that no matter what happens, he's going to be on the up. And yeah, I think, I think that small bit of improvement is what I'm hoping for at the minimum and the upside is just huge. So, uh, Stato, do you have a different opinion on, on starting a Nick Daikos?
00:21:54
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just seems to be a bit of a void between the real expensive ones and the mid prices. And he's one that you can actually look and say, well, he's potentially got some upside. There is that sort of little concern of the second year blues. It does happen to a lot of players, but I think this guy is just highly driven, highly talented. I think he'll only improve this year and therefore becomes a really good option.
00:22:13
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No, not at all actually. I'm talking about before the
00:22:22
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It's weird to say that, you know, I can't remember the amount, but it would have been about 270K, 266K we paid for him this year that we're going to be happy to almost pay 900K. But that's the reality. That's how good he is.
00:22:42
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Yeah, he's gone. Unless you've got anything else to add, Homsey, I think we'll move on to our second pick, which will be our getting into the fifth player. Harmony, do you want to round us around again? No worries. So as I said, with the rucks, I've got some concerns.
00:23:01
Speaker
And I guess as a general rule, I like trying to find somebody who had a bit of value. So I'm looking at Darcy Cameron in the ruck line, and he's priced at 82. But that's sort of affected early on where he wasn't the number one ruck where Grundy was still playing. He had two games where he was the best. He had a 27 and a 40. And if you look at his scores when he went into the ruck in round seven onwards,
00:23:29
Speaker
He averaged 93. So I feel like there's a bit of upside there. And I'm not convinced about many of the rucks. So I think that he's probably a good starting option. I mean, they the players, I guess, let Grundy go on the basis that they had a new number one because of how well Darcy Cameron performed and with Dan McStay coming in as a recruit that who can pinch hit. I think that he's probably going to be a good option for us.
00:23:59
Speaker
Yeah, so there's no doubt Darcy Cameron's going to be a fantastic starting pick. At least right now we can see the value and we can tell ourselves that story of why he's going to do what he's going to do. My question I sort of have is, will you look to start him at R2 or will you look to start him at an F3, F4 and then potentially start a more value ruck if that presents itself having that sort of Darcy Cameron back up in the forward line?
00:24:26
Speaker
I'm thinking at the moment it's probably an R1 or R2 because I feel like those our forward lines are going to be quite stacked. There's a lot of really good options and I feel like we're going to spend up a bit there. So I don't think I'd have room for it. Darcy Cameron.
00:24:46
Speaker
All right. I think, yeah, we might move on from Darcy. We've obviously got a lot of players still to get through. I think it's an interesting pick. He's one of the kind of guys that I'm also throwing in the air, whether I want to pick him or not, and got him in a few draft leagues. I'm still certainly under priced from playing with, yeah, the Mason Coxes of the world last year. I don't think we'll see as much of that this year. Stado, do you want to take us through your second play, mate?
00:25:08
Speaker
yeah so i'm going to the pig here and tom mitchell at 850k he's going to be around that mark i just think he's really good value considering he's more than 200k cheaper than rory lead um
00:25:24
Speaker
We know he was hampered the last couple of seasons basically with role more than anything else and last year was a bit of disaster when it comes to that. He's got the ability, he's got what they need which is improvement in that CBA and he'll deliver that.
00:25:42
Speaker
We need to acknowledge that the game plan's a little bit different from what he's played at Sydney and Hawthorn previously, and the reality is that he won't get to that 125 average, but I think we've got a big chance to see him at about the 110 mark, I think, is probably where he's going to hit. It might be 105 to 110.
00:26:06
Speaker
but we're talking that's more than 10-point upside and that'll actually see him in the top eight midfielders for the year. So, 850k, loving it. I think, yeah, I think it's a lock and load. I don't think we need to talk too much about American. He'll come up plenty of times in the pre-season as well, but one for the watch list because he's just going to be talked about so much this pre-season. And, you know, we know what he can do at his best. Holmsey, your next planet?
00:26:32
Speaker
Yep, so I'm going to go with your boy, Dossie. Kindly reminded me off air that he's your boy, but we do have the resident Essendon expert on here, so I'm keen to hear your thoughts, Harmey. So, Dossie Parrish. We all saw what Dossie Parrish did back in 2021 when Dylan Scheel went down and he finally got his opportunity in the midfield. He went on that tear. I think it was about
00:26:54
Speaker
13 or 14 games there in the middle of the season when he when he went at 120 125 and and pretty much was that competition winning pick back in 2021 and then last year he was averaging 110 right up until he first got that calf injury and then we saw him slow down coming back from injury and and with Essendon being a little bit non-competitive we saw his scores drop off so my question is to you Harmey do you see him as that sort of
00:27:19
Speaker
second midfielder behind Zach Merritt type in 2023 and can you see him getting back to that 110 mark because in my eyes I think he's coming into his prime and I can't really see a reason other than injury that he wouldn't push back up to that 110 plus.
00:27:35
Speaker
Oh look, I can definitely see a world where you're right and he goes 1-10. I just think there's a bit of uncertainty around the Bombers, midfield, new coach coming in. Look, I counted them up. How many players last year averaged 100 or more? And there's 24 players and he's a 24, he averaged 100. But Zach Merritt's in there as well. So they're both, you know, for both of those guys to pop and hit 1-10.
00:28:00
Speaker
jeez everything you could have to go really well for them so I'm sorry mate I don't have it handsome for you but it's definitely a watch that bombers midfield mix
00:28:10
Speaker
Yeah, I just, we, we've seen it before. So, you know, you've got the, the Melbins who are the high scoring, they have, you know, Ollie, Oliver and, and Patraca who both potentially went that one 10 and the Bulldogs always had a McCray and a Bont go, go pretty close. So I can't see why. There's at least the potential for both those boys to go well, but you are right. I suppose the uncertainty around the new coach and the new game plan and roles is going to be, at least we're going to have to watch pretty tight in the preseason, but he's one I'm definitely considering for sure.
00:28:41
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like as well Parrish is just one of these guys like he he's so boom or bust based on CBA's like there are some circumstances where players can score with and without CBA's but I feel like if he's not in at the coal face inside in and under
00:28:56
Speaker
Because he just builds his scores completely on a lot of disposals, racking up 35 to 40 touches, which he can do so regularly. But unless he's kind of in and around it all the time, it's so tough for him to go those big scores. But I'm such a big fan as well. Holmes here, and it's going to be very interesting watching what Brad Scott. Brad Scott, isn't it? Yes, Brad Scott does at the Dons this year. All right, next player. Is it up to me? We're up to me again, aren't we?
00:29:26
Speaker
All right. Well, I'll go through my next player, which is a player I'm very, very, very excited about this year. Luke Davies, UNIAC, L D U. And as a proud owner towards the back end of last year, I can tell you he had a ripping end to the season. So I actually have some stats here for you. So price to, can somebody get, what's, what's he priced at this year? So he'll be on three.
00:29:50
Speaker
Low 90, yeah, 93 this year. So his pre-buy average last year from rounds one to 14, they had the round 14 buy, 83.1 fantasy average with a center bounce attendance rate of 59%. So remember that, so 83, 59% center bounce attendance rate. Back half of the season after the buy, so that was post round 14 buy.
00:30:16
Speaker
106 AFL fantasy average and upped his CBA's to 82%. So that's a massive change. He's gone up huge numbers in the center bounce attempts. He's up 23%. He's just come home like an absolute steam train. He have five scores over 110 and a career high 145 points against the pies in round 17. Similar questions you might say, Hami, to the
00:30:42
Speaker
Coach, that harm you mentioned to the coaching change this year, obviously, Clarko's in at North Melbourne. They've also got some personnel change. Guy like Jed Anderson's gone. Cunnington is, I think he might be coming back as well this year. So another player that could be in that midfield mix. Stado, what do you reckon on LDU? I'm interested in your thoughts. Is he a potential guy that could take you from that 92, maybe push up to 105, 110 and be a good value?
00:31:09
Speaker
Well, that's the big question, because if I'm paying that amount of money for anyone, I want them to be in that top eight midfielders. I don't think LDU is, but we can be proven wrong, can't we? It's a no from me. You can and you will. It's a no. Harmy. Can I get a yes from you, mate? LDU.
00:31:31
Speaker
It's yes for a watch list. That's for sure. I mean in the present he's the main man in the middle, isn't he? So I think they're going to have to invest in him. He's just he's very signed. Everything's pointing towards him having a good season. But yeah, there's a few around that price. I like so he's just kind of in the mix for me.
00:31:52
Speaker
Yeah, it is a tough price range, but one I'm incredibly high on and worthy of this top 20 list. I'm going to mix up the order, Holmsey. It'll take us through your next plan, mate.
00:32:03
Speaker
Yes, I'm going to go back through the forwards and we're just going to talk a little bit about Steven Canelio. So priced at 98, so it's a pretty hefty price tag, but he's underpriced due to the start of the season when they played him a lot forward when it was Leon Cameron and he had a few low scores. And then when Leon Cameron got sacked, he was straight back into the middle and he was able to push his average up. So that 98 is not exactly reflective of his second half of the season. So we've seen
00:32:32
Speaker
a lot of players depart GWS, so we've had Toronto, Hopper and Broome go, which means that's three players out of that midfield rotation. So we do know GWS, new coach, new system, clearly they're going to rebuild and they're going to start to throw a lot of the younger guys through that midfield rotation. I think you'll find a Perriman quite heavily through there. I think they'll start to throw
00:32:53
Speaker
Callahan may be through there if he's playing and a few others, but they're going to need to have some older heads in there and that's where I think Canelio will be perfect. I think he'll do a lot of the heavy lifting in there, a lot of tackles, a lot of in and under and then we know what he does. He gets dangerous. He gets those little cheap plus sixes and away he goes. So I'll be looking to start Canelio at this stage where he's definitely on my watch list as a sort of underpriced player that potentially could push towards that F1, F2. I don't think we need to add too much more about Canelio. State, are you on board?
00:33:22
Speaker
Absolutely. I don't know from that sold. You don't have to be. Just a guy that, just a guy that, I mean, I dunno, like he was always a nervous own. Like what's he going to do? Is he going to play forward? Is he going to play mid? Yes, there's guys. He was a nervous own because they had 16 midfielders. They've only got nine now. He's also in the top two.
00:33:46
Speaker
always injured without fail year after year. There's something going on with him. I don't know. It's always, he's just such a, he's especially with the forwards that we've got. I think there's some clear cut guys that have got massive upside. Whereas that's, there's still questions there. Doss is calling you up on this home. I don't think it's as clear cut as who are these, who are these clear cut upsides?
00:34:08
Speaker
Connor Rosie has he never been injured before? You're just cutting your own argument, mate. Yeah, but he's got way more upside, isn't he? You can't take into account injury. Cogs has just played a whole season. I'll back that in now. I mean, a guy like Darcy Cameron's priced cheaper as well and probably better role, like guaranteed role in The Rock.
00:34:27
Speaker
Yeah, I think and then if you still want to start Dunkley as well, I mean, that's three guys there that I'd probably prefer with less questions than Canelio. I've got all of those in my side, Dottie. You don't need to have just one, Doss, just so you're aware. That's a lot of forwards though, right? At the end of the day, the idea is to have the top six forwards.
00:34:52
Speaker
So if you can bank three of them, or even four of them at the start, you bloody beauty, Dossie boy. You bloody beauty. Go and get that cap, Dossie. Get four in, go and get that cap. I'll make it, Dossie. You don't start cogs and I won't start LDU, and we'll see who's higher ranked at the end of the season.
00:35:14
Speaker
I mean, I mean. It's a deal. It's a deal. Watch him just be on my side as you guys convince me. All right. Harmony, your next player, mate. Following on from home to there, these forwards are going to be hard to pick. I actually like quite a lot of them you mentioned.
00:35:34
Speaker
I really like Connor Rosie as a value pick and he's just slightly cheaper than some of them. He had a great season. He won the BNF and he's an Australian as well, wasn't he? But I feel like he's just in the last year gone past butters, wines,
00:35:54
Speaker
He's the most damaging midfielder and I can't see him spending that time in the forward line, which he did at the start of last season where he put in scores of 21, 48, 54, 55. Once he hit that midfield, he just killed it and I reckon that is likely to continue. So he's probably the one that I think he's got a good sort of amount of value in the forward line.
00:36:17
Speaker
It's pretty amazing he basically got all his accolades after not playing, like you're saying, playing a terrible role for the first like five rounds of the season. So he's got all those accolades. He's had this amazing resurgence and it's just been all based on kind of like a 15 game sort of sample, which is pretty remarkable.
00:36:36
Speaker
Yeah, can't argue with any of that and as someone, I was a Connor Rose owner last year and he was, he definitely broke out and he has all the makings to potentially break out even further this year. You know, Hami just rattled off those stats. Does it worry Hami about potential tags coming? Like he wasn't just a good fantasy player, he was a very, very good footballer and I think he's probably moved, like you said, moved past all those players into being the number one tag target at Port.
00:37:02
Speaker
If he does start to cop attention, which we haven't seen it before, it's going to be interesting. And if a large part of the competition is on a Connor Rosini starts getting attention early days, it could be a good way to get a leg up on the comp. It is possible.
00:37:18
Speaker
I just think he's pretty quick and he breaks the line well. He's quite damaging. He's a bit like Andy Brayshaw where they can sort of burst away and the tagger can't really keep him. I think they've got Ollie Wines and Willem Drew in the midfield there, which are kind of stronger bodies that should be able to protect him a bit. So, I mean, there's always that risk, isn't there, with picking a midfielder, but I think that he's probably good enough to break it.
00:37:45
Speaker
Yeah, no, you're dead right. Something about it for me after owning him last season, he was prone to putting up these 60 scores out of nowhere where he just was a little bit quiet and with his injury history, it's something in me is telling me just to, it's a potential fade, but I can't knock all the stats and the theory behind picking him. It's just, yeah, he might be someone I look to fade just for my team.
00:38:10
Speaker
I do remember one of those games was like literally he got injured in the first quarter played out the game and there's one blip on the radar as well where he did get like a 50 or a 60 and he scored like 30 in the first quarter and then couldn't run on his leg then miraculously came back the next week and scored 120 and everyone was trading him out kind of thing so yeah there is that there I understand with Rosie there's the same sort of injury risk you're talking about all right Stado?
00:38:33
Speaker
Just quickly, at the end of the season we found out that Ollie Wines was carrying injuries and the spike for Rosie happened around that time. So he's a player that I think somewhere along the line I'll be invested in. I just don't know if I'm going to start if Ollie Wines and that midfield crew looks a bit different than what it finished last year. No doubt he's a talent. Chance Ollie Wines starts slow though.
00:39:00
Speaker
because he's still not running. Like he had 12 weeks of not doing anything I think. So he's going to be on the back foot at the moment trying to get fit for round one. So maybe he starts slow and Rosie starts hot.
00:39:14
Speaker
Then while we're here, what happens with JHF going into that midfield mix? Can we see him taking any midfield minutes from anyone or is he just going to be a half forward? Like their six year deal, he's their midfielder moving forward. You know, is that going to upset the apple card a little bit? It just seemed like it was all rosy last year, which was fair enough circumstance and whatnot. But if Port are going to be competitive, it can't be one player. They've got to spread the load a bit. So Stado, what do you think about JHF going in there?
00:39:42
Speaker
I think at the end of the day, their whole midfield is a watch because they need to do some fine tuning if they want to take to the next level. And it might be they're all getting shared around. So there's that constant mix of midfielders through, which may mean they play better footy, but it may cost us a little bit in fantasy. So I just think their whole midfield is a watch.
00:40:07
Speaker
Rosie's a gun. Next player starting, come on. Next player, just want to jump on the bandwagon for all these forwards. If he was a midfielder only, I probably wouldn't have picked him. But he has got forward status. And it's only because he's getting freed up, he's going to get inside midfield time, but he's playing in a club that doesn't score a lot of fantasy points. But
00:40:30
Speaker
I'm putting them straight in there because it's great value. And I think one of these forwards we've been talking about is actually going to probably start in my midfield just to build that flexibility because I think the forward line is going to be harder to complete than the
Player Transfers and Fantasy Impact
00:40:44
Speaker
midfield. So it's probably the way I'm going to look at it. I'm talking about Tim Taranto. 846 K. So that's great value.
00:40:55
Speaker
once again, player that'll get plenty of attention this pre-season, probably don't need to spend too much time and I'm sure he's going to get plenty of more midfield time and really taking another level, Hami? Tim Taranto, thoughts? I'm pretty keen, yeah. I mean, I have seen a few people talking about the Richmond game style and being concerned about that, but this guy, he's got a great score build, he marks, he tackles, he kicks a grubber along the ground five times a game.
00:41:22
Speaker
And yeah, I mean, Dion Prestia can score at Richmond and Toronto is a better midfielder in my opinion than him, so I'm pretty keen.
00:41:33
Speaker
What I will say about Taranto, absolutely love him, fantasy and from footy. If we look at his scores in the past, so the year that he went 1-14, 2019 I think it was when they made the grand final, it was purely from circumstance so I'm pretty sure almost every single GWS midfielder went down and he became the number one man in there and had huge CBA numbers.
00:41:54
Speaker
And then in 2020, I think it was, or 2021 when he averaged 108, that was the year that Cogs was out. And he had big CBA numbers that year as well. And he's going to Richmond. I don't think he's going to have massive CBA numbers. I think he'll still be around that sort of 50% mark. The Richmond game plan, they do love it. They'll throw a Dusty through there. They'll throw a Bolton, a Cochin, a
00:42:17
Speaker
a Prestia, Taranto will go through there, Hoppe will go through there, so I don't think you're going to see four midfielders average 70 plus percent. I think you'll find that they spread the load a little bit, but I still love Tim Taranto. He marks he tackles like Stata said, so he's definitely one to look at, but we might need to just temper our expectations a little bit. I don't think he's going to go 110 plus. He won the 2K time trial and he's burning up the track. What more could you ask from him?
00:42:42
Speaker
And they're talking more mid-field time. Yeah, yeah. No, fair enough. Fair enough.
00:42:49
Speaker
Just speaking on that upside, 44% center bounce attendance is just in 2022 for Tim Taranto. So even if he gets that 60% that Holmes is kind of suggesting, and that too, to your point as well, I just had a quick look. So Dion Prestia last year for Richmond, 68%. Coction, 73%. I'd imagine as he ages, they're going to probably reduce that down a bit. Bolton, 56%. Dusty 38%. So, you know, they do spread the load as you're alluding to, Holmesy.
00:43:16
Speaker
But even if he gets up to that, 55-60%, it's still a pretty big booster as to what he was getting last year. Taranto's a jet. We'll talk about him plenty more in the weeks to come. My next player is Hayden Young. So I wanted to talk about another defender. And as you guys all paid me out pre-show, yes, a lot of my players are quite young.
00:43:40
Speaker
but no pun intended on the name, but they are all quite youthful. I'm just looking at some players, some different guys. I did want to look at some different positions and stuff like that. But Hayden Young was a guy that I only wanted to mention him mainly because last year I just remember seeing him towards the back end of the year and was like, I'm locking him in for 2023. I've seen enough. And I don't want to just forget that I made those comments like,
00:44:04
Speaker
We saw what he was doing to the back end of the year. Seemed like Freo had this game plan where they were just chipping the ball around that back 50 and we were looking at this like drooling and saying Hayden Young is the guy here that is going to be the main man there. I feel like that's going to be the case this year. We saw them last year. I just looked up some stats before. Dockers went from 15th in the league for marking the year before up to 9th this year in Longmuir's
00:44:31
Speaker
being 2022 in Longmuir's like third season as head coach. It's what they want to do. They want to share that ball around the backyard, around the back line and just whip it forward. The big improvement I can see is that he only averaged one kick in per game last year. So Luke Ryan's the man back there with six. Surely if he's the best man and best kick in the team, he can up that maybe one or two. That's a disposal in itself. There's upside there. The price is awkward, but
00:44:59
Speaker
Any interest from you, Holmsey, being the Dockers man? I want your thoughts, mate. Hayden Young. Nah, I mean, everything you said is true. I love him as a player and he is their future. He's a top 10 pick. He's going to be one of the generals down there. He's just not the type of player that I like to take a punt on in classic DOS. I like to have seen it before and to be able to tell myself the story as to why they can get back there. I'm not one to really pick the breakout player.
00:45:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's just not one for me. I think you'd have to be a clear top six from that price tag. And I believe the Nick Dacos story a little bit more. I just, I can't see it in that Freo side. I think they've got Jordan Clark back there. They really like Heath Chapman. Luke Ryan's a pig on his day as well. And I just think they're going to share it around a lot more than a Nick Dacos will in the Collingwood back line. And because of that, I just can't see him being a top six defender.
00:45:50
Speaker
I think he's broken out. It was 2022. I think I think this is the season and he's like he's priced at what he is.
00:46:00
Speaker
Yeah, I just like the game plan I think as well more than anything. He had the sixth most marks in the league last year and the big thing that I think he can maintain that if they keep this game plan. The thing that I think can lift is his disposals. He only averaged 22 disposals last year. Down the stretch he had some big games, 25 and 30 disposals with 10 plus marks.
00:46:20
Speaker
I do see that ceiling rising. However, I see both your points in terms of, yes, he just did have his big breakout and also that's an awkward starting price to then punt that he's going to definitely lift up another level. So look, he's one that I sort of looked at and was like, look, I've got to tip the cap that I said this last year, but I'll probably
00:46:40
Speaker
air on the side of caution and back you guys in that the next level breakout might not quite be there. All right, next player on the list. We've got a couple left to go lads. Let's zip through these ones. Stado, who have you got? Jack McRae 916K. He's just going to start as my M1.
00:47:00
Speaker
With Dunkley out, I just think the role is going to be back to where he can get to sort of that 110 plus scoring at price 103, just value for a top aider.
00:47:14
Speaker
Huge value, huge value. Holmesey, next player, Whip and Throw. I'm a big fan of McRae. I'm going to go a little bit rogue here. I did have Roland Marshall written down, but I think we've spoken enough about Roland Marshall and we all know the potential there and why, if Tom Campbell comes in, that that's going to be the issue of starting him.
Ruck Strategy and Value Picks
00:47:32
Speaker
If we're going to talk about value R2 rucks, so I just want to propose this, and I know Louie's dead against it, but Scott Lysette, so he's going to be priced at 59, two years ago. 59? 59? Only played four games last year. I think he might be priced at 72. 72?
00:47:53
Speaker
Either way, I'll go through it again. But yeah, sorry, if he's priced at 72, probably prices him out of it. But the fact is, my point, I guess, is this value R2 option. So if we're unsure about how the rucks are going to line up, you know, do we look to start a, well, a lysette if he is priced at low or a Lloyd Meek priced in the 50s or one of these value options, does that kind of scare you off, harm me? Or are you going to look to do the same thing if something happens in pre-season?
00:48:21
Speaker
I would like to start somebody priced around that mark if if they are the number one ruck and we're confident in them physically. So Lysette is coming off an injured season. I think he gets an 18 percent discount. So it kind of indicates some value there. But yeah, on the same basis, I'm looking at that Hawthorne ruck line and look, they may play a meek and Reeves combination and Lynch fits somewhere in the mix, too. But
00:48:50
Speaker
I'm definitely keen to find a value R2 if I can. It's just a bit of bad luck here. He gets an 80% discount on his career high of 85.6. Yeah, so I got my numbers mixed up there, so that's fair enough. He's probably not an option at that price. Just bad timing. He could have been a great value option, yeah.
00:49:17
Speaker
Mmm, homesy. You did go rogue, mate. A little too rogue. Uh, Stado? Oh, let's go hammy, actually. Hammy, hammy, I want your- you've just went with McCray.
00:49:26
Speaker
Well, Dossie, you gave us an 88 averaging defender and I'll give you an 88 averaging midfielder in Adam Cera. So last year he had an injured scorer on five. So that's built into his average at the moment. If you take that injured score out, he averaged 93. So there's a bit of value indicated from there, but
00:49:53
Speaker
One of the other points that I'll be watching him in the preseason is the Sam Walsh injury. So it's sounding like he's going to battle to get ready for round one. And we also had Black Acres and
00:50:10
Speaker
and Elijah Holland's brother come in who may be that wing player. So I'd say that there's a potential early on in the season. He could be a key inside midfielder and he could pop. Are there any concerns from your end harmony that Paddy Dow fits right into that role and takes his game to another level? Competition rife, but I'd say Cera may be above Dow.
00:50:38
Speaker
Just ahead. Well, let's go to the chair expert of last year, Stado, who was all for him. I think he was in your starting squad or at least he made many celebrity guest appearances there. Are you on board chair train for 2023? Preseason squad only ended up with Crips because of the preseason game inform he had.
00:51:00
Speaker
No, not this year, but I've just got to keep an eye, but obviously George Hewitt going into that inside midfield role, Cripps being fully fit back, there just wasn't the opportunities for him to get that inside piece. If it falls his way, I'm damn interested because he's got a ceiling if he has bulk CBAs, just don't seem getting bulk CBAs.
00:51:27
Speaker
Alright, I'll take us to my second last player here, Josh Ward, and it's more just, I'm just so interested in this Hawthorn-Midfield mix. You know, we talked about it last week, guys leaving, opening up opportunities for players to come in, in terms of in the trade period. We saw J. Gros Mira leave, 63% of CBAs he was taking last, this season just gone. We're nearly into 2023, I keep wanting to say last year.
00:51:52
Speaker
Ticha was gone as well, he had 52% of their centre-bouncer tendencies. So who's going to play midfield? It's a big, big question that I want to keep an eye on and Josh Ward was just the player. I had a few that I wanted to talk about in that mix but Josh Ward was the one I landed on because...
00:52:08
Speaker
Year one, he was highly touted as a fantasy junior. Things didn't go his way necessarily in terms of the season. He still had a really good rookie year, low 70s average. I think he finished the season averaging 72, so he's going to be in the price bracket that Stado does not consider. But if we go the harmony factor of a 20 plus point upside, I can see that for Josh Ward coming into year two.
00:52:34
Speaker
High 70% time on ground, but really no midfield minutes. So 38% center bounces. He averaged 88.6 after the buy last year with scores of 133, 107, 97 on the run home. I think with natural improvement and some midfield minutes, sky's the limit for year two for Josh Ward. I see a 90 plus inbound. Guaranteed, Stado. Thanks for quickly going through that one, mate. It's a no for me.
00:53:06
Speaker
Draft. Nah, this one, this one I'm confident on. Is he a top eight midfielder? He's got 20 plus points upside, which is Harmony's rule, which I'd rather go with a more recent high end cap winner. That's the model. It's the modern game. It's the modern game state. It's gone past here.
00:53:29
Speaker
The Hawks midfield is going to be interesting. They really love Newcomb, don't they? But I can see Ward having a really good season. But for him to average 92, I'm just not too sure. I tell you who I like coming in is their draft D. What's it, Mackenzie, I think? And then I'm also looking at James Warple because I think he had such a horrid season that there's plenty of avenue for him to be able to bounce back.
00:53:59
Speaker
I'm kind of watching him but he's priced at 52 so if he hits 90 dossi there's a fair bit of upsize.
00:54:06
Speaker
some nice upside. I've got to say, Nukem was on the run sheet for 90% of the week and I turned my back and just went to the youth again, although they're both in the 21 and 19 years old, but went with the 19 year old Josh Ward. All right, let's get to our last player. We'll go through these quickly as well. Holmesy, who have you got to round us out in our top 20? Who have you got as your last fifth player?
00:54:31
Speaker
Yeah, so I thought I'd throw in a little speculative one here, Doss, just because that's what you've been doing this whole time. Noah Anderson. Now, I already know your thoughts on Gold Coast players, so we won't go on that. We'll just ignore the Gold Coast game plan here, but here's a number two draft pick that's just steadily improved year on year, and he's averaged 97 last year with
00:54:52
Speaker
5 or 6 scores over 110 and another few scores pretty closely around there. So we've seen the ceiling, he had a 145 game towards the end, was basically the match winner and we know what he can do is your classic in and outside player. Took Miller's the one that gets all the attention, Noah Anderson's never going to get a tag in his life because he butchers the ball going forward.
00:55:13
Speaker
And although the game plan isn't that conducive for scoring, I still can see a world where he improves again. Whether he's a top eight midfielder, I'm not too sure. I see him as a potential bump up your draft board's improvement. So I'm not going to pick him in classic, but it would not surprise me if he has another improvement this year and starts to push and knock the door of the top 10 midfielders. I think you forget Stewie Jew hates fantasy scorers.
00:55:42
Speaker
Yeah, but to still average 97 last year is still a hell of an effort. And last year we were all talking about that Caleb Sarong breakout when Noah Anderson was the one that took his game to the next level. So you are right that the Gold Coast game plan is not good for fantasy, but I just wanted to put that one out there that it wouldn't surprise me if he goes up again.
00:56:03
Speaker
He's just got the perfect fantasy game and the least perfect fantasy team in terms of actual team to play for. You're spot on. He could be 110 in pretty much any other team. Stado, who's your last player, mate?
Defensive Options and Opportunities
00:56:18
Speaker
Yeah, just going for a bit of value. I talked about the defence. I don't like the line at the moment. So I'm looking where some mid price options are. So Darcy Tucker at $460k. Darcy Tucker. He makes an appearance again. We want to honour the tuck, bring him back. But at $460k, obviously we need to see the role he's going to play at North Melbourne.
00:56:42
Speaker
you think the move is all about opportunity. Now, whether that's meant to be inside and move LDU to the back pocket, who knows? We'll see where those opportunities open up. So he's definitely a watch for me just because of the price. And if he's got the right type of role that he can score and definitely have that 25 to 30 point upside.
00:57:08
Speaker
He just has to have a mention every year for you, doesn't he, mate? You just have to squeeze him in somehow. Just to remind everyone that Rott started when he used that phrase to me in 2019. And I actually remember I was in Launceston. I was in a hotel in Launceston. He mentioned, on in the tuck, I watched the game and Darcy Tucker was superb. Granted, round one in 2019.
00:57:40
Speaker
Stado, I've got some bad news for you about Tuck. He's not injured, is he? No. I was semi interested in him, but then I saw the positions come out and he's listed as a mid forward, which means he's never going to get defensive status. And in that forward line and midfield, I don't see a spot for him.
00:58:02
Speaker
Oh really? I told you he's out of touch. He's got it status got him listed as a defender. No, that was that was no, it was actually on Warnie's article. So I'm going to go to it now. He was on there.
00:58:17
Speaker
this might decide who's in for a cap this year, who's more switched on out of Hami and Stado, who's going to be... While we wait, Hami, do you want to take us to your last player while we wait for Stado's either victory lap or utter disappointment?
00:58:32
Speaker
Yeah, I think Holmes had spoke about COGS and that was, he made some really good points. Someone else I'm looking at in that GWS Midfield, who I think is set for a sort of a bump in CBA as an opportunity is Tom Green.
00:58:48
Speaker
He's priced at 85 and he started super strong last season. He came out and hit scores 133, 104, 114. So he dropped away. I think competition for spots in the CBA just got too much and he didn't get it. But I think that with Toronto and Hopper and Bruin going out, I think that he's probably going to have a good season. I also sort of liked Finn Callahan a bit if he can cement himself as a best 22 player too because of that.
00:59:19
Speaker
I love Tom Crane. Only the 58% sent a bounce of tendencies last year, although that was the highest of any GWS player. They just shared it around a heap. Not to end the season. They have a look at the end. Yeah, no, that's the average. But yeah, to end the season, to be honest, he was in the 40s and 50s.
00:59:41
Speaker
Now, just making a note here, at Warnie's article, the way to early watch list, which was before the official positions came out, Warnie named him as a defender and priced at that. So I reckon me might be right. Might have to accept that I'm just a loser.
01:00:11
Speaker
Stado, what's in priced in real dream team though? That's the important one. Either that or super coach. I actually have the official position document here. So I'll hunt him down where you guys keep talking.
01:00:29
Speaker
The last player I've got is another forward and yes, another young player, but it's a guy that similarly to someone like a Warple alluded to by Harmony, just a guy that had a drop off kind of out of absolutely nowhere last year. I actually started this guy in my team in 2022, which is kind of probably alluding to what you guys always say and that it's kind of my risky young player picks.
01:00:53
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Taren Thomas, I started with him at the start of this year 2022 and he had averaged 53.6, averaging only 13 touches, 3 marks, 3 tackles a game, down from an 81 average the year before and he played 21 games the year before, only the 10 this year.
01:01:10
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Just a huge drop off. Had a few issues going on behind the scenes, obviously. I think he had a passing in the family. There was a few issues there, but I just see him having a monumental bounce back. This guy was like the face of the franchise after a couple of years in the system, was in that super draft back in the day. I see him coming back. I think Louis mentioned it in our last week's show that
01:01:34
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There's already talk of him playing potentially on a halfback flank that they've got those distributing roles open up there so if it regardless of his role I can see like army mentioned that 20 plus points upside and he's forward eligible.
01:01:49
Speaker
priced at a 53 point price tag with that massive upside. You know, I see him as a free hit if we see that he's having a good pre-season. So he's one for the watch list because I definitely need to see something in terms of form this pre-season. Either of you, any of you lads on board, Taron, or is there just too many options forward?
01:02:10
Speaker
The one thing I will say about Taran, I'm pretty sure he's nursing a broken foot at the moment. I thought I saw something somewhere that he's injured, so that probably means that he hasn't done a lot of running before Christmas, which means he's already coming from a further way back with all his issues anyway.
01:02:28
Speaker
It's a, it's a risky one for me. You are right. There's definite upside on what we've seen him do in the past that what the back half of 2021 didn't the average over the ton. So we've seen him, we've seen him put up some serious scores. It's just, there's just something not right about Taran Thomas at the moment. There's just just something. And we're not in the four wall, so we don't know what's going on, but there's no doubt in the upside potential, a bit like a James Warple. He, he had the worst possible season he could possibly have. So you'd think there's only upside from here.
01:02:58
Speaker
Yeah, he averaged less than his rookie year in his, what was it, fourth season or something like that. So first season averaged 55 in 2019, and then he's averaging 53 four years later. So yeah, I can see the fifth year having a big breakout, but also same as our home Z definitely keeping an eye. What's the result state? Oh, before we round this out, unfortunately, man, cause you can't.
01:03:25
Speaker
No, I've already admitted that I've lost, but I wanted to confirm officially, but yeah, can't find it. All right, we don't have time to go through Louis' names, but I just want to mention that his five names that he wanted to talk about on this show wasn't able to make it. Angus Brayshaw, Tom Stewart, Jack Steele, Dylan Moore, and his favourite player of the pre-season, which I think is his loosest one, but also a guy that I've got my on as well.
01:03:52
Speaker
He's written down Goatly McLean. He's talking about Toby McLean of the Western Bulldogs as well. So a few players that we're probably going to be talking more about the preseason. Anyone want to talk about any of those names just quickly before we sign off? Oh, Toby McLean's just a shoeing. Yeah. Yep. Yep.
01:04:13
Speaker
Yup. Why? Midfield minutes opening up now. Dunkley Dawn came in last year, looked good. Just a bargain and got great scoring pair. Hunter gone. Hunter gone as well. All right. Well, thanks everyone for listening. We hope you have an awesome, safe and happy holidays. We appreciate you listening throughout this year, if you did. And of course, heading into 2023, have a good new year. All the rest.
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01:05:11
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