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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Kentucky & Louisiana
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Road Trip continues - while on an actual trip! With Lisa in Florida, we are trying a remote broadcast - but these stories are too horrid not to tell you!
TRIGGER WARNING - Louisiana has a story of Suicide, PTSD, and trauma after military life - if these things bother you - please listen with care, or skip to the time listed below
First up - Louisiana
Bayou Boys(3:39 - 12:10) Lisa took the new (to her) concept of the Florida Man and brought it down to the Cajun Crowd for some fun stories of crimes gone wrong or at least confusing and mind boggling. Just incase the trigger warnings leave you needing to skip this section - you still get some Louisiana True Crime!
Louisiana Main Event (12:10 - 54:39) this horrific story is of Zack Bowen and Addie Hall. This tale shows how twisted our minds can become on drugs, alcohol, and trauma that is not treated.
Last up - Kentucky (54:40 - end) we are taking about the Vampire Clan of Murray (specifically Rod / Vesago) and the parents of Heather Wendorf. This story is also known as the Wendorf Murders and sad to believe this happened. It does show the powerful force belonging is to those who have no one.
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Transcript
Introduction and Apologies
00:00:00
Speaker
Well, good evening and welcome back to Twisted Tales. Hey, this is Lisa. And sorry about only one episode last week. We did try to record remotely, but had some technical difficulties. Yeah. Lisa technically didn't want to. I'm sorry.
00:00:20
Speaker
You know, you'll get an extra one this week, maybe if we can get our act together. Guys, I was on vacation. I was on vacation. We all need a vacation.
Tragedy of Ophelia Nichols' Son
00:00:25
Speaker
I do want to take a moment just to shout out a little piece of true crime that is recent and send our condolences to Ophelia, a.k.a. Mama Talk from TikTok.
00:00:40
Speaker
Um, I am sure most of you know, she is a very, very famous person on TikTok, but her 18 year old son was murdered the day before his 19th birthday in Alabama. They do not know who did it. She's put out a lot of requests for help and there are a lot of avenues to assist her with funeral expenses and a meal train and things like that. But we just want to send our love to her.
00:01:03
Speaker
and hope whoever, um, did this to her and her families caught quickly and brought to justice.
Community Support and Engagement
00:01:10
Speaker
Absolutely. And if there's a way that any of you can donate to that cause, her name was it literally mama taught is how you're going to find it, but also Ophelia Nichols. And there are several mill trains set up and several go fund me set up. Um, so you can just, I just went to it and Googled it. Yep.
00:01:29
Speaker
like I went to mill train and I went to go fund me and literally typed in mama taught and went to the one that had the most hits because there's only one that she's really accepted. I don't remember the name of it, but I'll put it in the show notes. But just send your thoughts and love to her because
00:01:44
Speaker
It was her youngest child. It was her baby. Yeah. Obviously devastated a day before. Devastated no matter when. But a day before his birthday. And there's no rhyme or reason. There's no suspects that we know of. So just then send your thoughts and love and prayer for her because she's an advocate for pretty much
Light-hearted Interlude with a Game
00:02:03
Speaker
everybody. Yeah. So yeah. Anyway, you're ready to. Because if nothing else, guys, we're a community. Yeah. And we support each other. OK. And we may tell weird stories or whatever, but you know what?
00:02:15
Speaker
If the opportunity arises for us, we help step up. Yeah. Yeah. And even if you can't give monetarily, that's fine. Just send her your love and thoughts. And you know, absolutely. You hate for that to happen. Pray for justice. Yeah. And if you know anybody or know anything, she has 7 million followers on TikTok. Surely to God, someone knows somebody that knows something. Absolutely.
00:02:39
Speaker
So I just hope that it's it's it's not something a year from now. We're still saying justice. I hope that it's quick and swift and she's a very sweet lady. I love her accent. She is the sweetest. So anyway, I just want to say that real quick. And are you ready to rock paper scissors for Louisiana and Kentucky? I mean, no, but yeah.
00:03:02
Speaker
Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Rock, paper, scissor,
Trigger Warning for Upcoming Stories
00:03:06
Speaker
shoot! Dang it! Ha ha! Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Ha ha! Dang it! Tiesies! This is ridiculous! I know! Rock, paper, scissor, shoot! Dang it! Alright, so Lisa's up. I will be the first.
00:03:30
Speaker
quickly yes before we even get get to roll in here I'm gonna go ahead and throw out I know we're explicit but I'm gonna throw out some trigger warnings suicide possible PTSD for from like a military standpoint this the story that I'm gonna talk about is graphic and it's twisted
00:03:56
Speaker
You know, guys, if it's something that's going to bother you, please just move on. Okay. I don't want times in the, in the show notes that you can skip on past. I'll have this specific trigger warning story slotted out in time. So you do not have to listen to it. If it triggers you, we understand. We hope that everything's okay. And you enjoy the rest of the episode.
Humor and the 'Florida Man' Phenomenon
00:04:19
Speaker
Agreed. Before we get started, though, in one of Faith's episodes, they had a thing that was called The Florida Man. Is that what this was? The Florida Man. Yes, Florida Man. You're the only one in the world that doesn't know what a Florida Man is. Well, you know, buddy, I stay off the internet as much as possible. Like, I don't know. I watch TikTok funny videos, and then if it becomes any kind of anything else, I just skip over it.
00:04:46
Speaker
No. I basically all I want to do is laugh, and if I'm not laughing, then it's not fun for me. No. So. Cool. So what I'm going to do is I am going to read off what I would like to call the Bayou boys, right? Bayou boys? The Bayou boys, right? They're not all boys. So I'm sorry. It's the same thing as Florida man. Like they're not all men. Yeah. Yeah. It just sounds right. Right. Yeah.
00:05:13
Speaker
It's appeasing phonetically. Phonetically. Phonetically. Good word. I know. I'll give you five dollars later. Okay.
00:05:20
Speaker
All right, so, and okay, I'm sorry, you already corrected me on multiple things, because I am not from Louisiana. Faith, on the other hand. Grew up in Louisiana. Grew up in Louisiana, so every city or whatever I say, she's going, yeah, Paris, again, my bad, she's going to correct me. They're all weird, that Prince Creole, and some of them I don't even know. I thought Creole was a seasoning.
00:05:48
Speaker
Move it along. Move it along. Yeah. All right. So Slidell in 2002.
00:05:56
Speaker
Two people left a 15 mile long trail of donuts from Krispy Kreme. Who doesn't love a Krispy Kreme donut? That hot side. I feel like I'm following the truck, bro. You're just dropping donuts on the side of the road. That could be more. So a 15 mile long trail of Krispy Kreme donuts after they stole the restaurant's truck from the parking lot.
00:06:24
Speaker
They were found and arrested in, uh, Lacombe. I don't know the correct pronunciation of that, but I'm almost positive she is incorrectly pronunciating it. I don't know how other ways to say. Anyways, where it was unclear whether or not they stole the truck for transportation or food.
00:06:45
Speaker
I mean, I don't I feel like it's not for food because you left a 15 mile look if I was gonna steal some trucks I feel like it would be a Red Bull truck. Oh heck yeah, and I would eat my weight in Krispy Kreme dude, you ain't lying. See you in the microwave five seconds. No, I'm freakin probably eat just the raw dough that may I work I
00:07:08
Speaker
like half a mile from a Krispy Kreme and every morning I can smell it and everybody brings in those frickin Krispy Kreme. You know it's good not to have Krispy Kreme. You do a leg day.
00:07:20
Speaker
to where it hurts every time you take a step. So every time you go like to get a Krispy Kreme, you're like, ah, ah, ah, not worth it. Wheelchairs, walkers, crutches. Okay. There's a way to get to Krispy Kreme. I find that way. Sorry for anybody who's from the Northern area who does not understand the wonders of the Krispy Kreme donuts. Dunkin Donuts does not. Not even close. No, they're coffee though.
00:07:45
Speaker
It's bar none bar none hands down best, right? But when it comes to donuts, it's Krispy Kreme. 110% of the time. Plenty of things to Starbucks girl on the coffee. Continue on. I'm cheap. And I see no I would rather lick sand than spend $10 on a latte. I get a lot of gift cards from my mom. There you go. All right. All right.
The Tragic Story of Zach Bowen and Addie
00:08:11
Speaker
Gift cards. If you're not paying for it, bro, that's that's you. Yeah, that's you.
00:08:15
Speaker
Alright, so in Lake Charles, 2008, police officers found a stolen car and dialed the owner to report that it was found. The owner called back 30 minutes later, asking the police to buy $150 worth of crack cocaine. Did they not answer like Charles P.D.?
00:08:39
Speaker
like you know it's a hundred and fifty dollars work so clearly the other fifty dollars that would have made it two hundred dollars she already did like she called me she had to know the cops like they're not like hello jim's crack cells like it's hello oh my god oh my god Louisiana police no apparently they didn't answer maybe they did who knows maybe she was a paying attention
00:09:09
Speaker
Well, that's what it says. Apparently, she was confused. Apparently, did she call 911 back? How can I help you? Hey, man, you want some crack? I love Louisiana. You can't beat the food, though. No. Hell no, dude. No. Oh, it's legit. I agree. All right. So apparently, she was confused. The police officer's number, or she confused the number with the police officer's to her dealer's number. And she was tried. Common mistake.
00:09:39
Speaker
Common mistake. I accidentally call the police every time I want to buy my crack. You just have to listen to that intro. All right. All right, guys, this is the last one that I'm going to do in a high profile case in 2008, a local sportscaster named Vince Marin. Sorry.
00:10:03
Speaker
Maranello was put on trial for murdering his wife, the smoking gun evidence was a 14 point list of things related to the crime. Look, here's the picture.
00:10:20
Speaker
This is literally like going through Home Depot and freakin big lines, right? It is not funny, but I love the Scotty is not crossed off It was either the rope or the biscotti and I had to go with the rope What a dumb dumb It's not funny that somebody's dead. It's funny. How stupid just incredibly
00:10:48
Speaker
Gotta love a dumb criminal. Dumb people really are. All right. So again, 14 point list of things that were related to the crime. Gun Dash River on my way to mama or I'm sorry, on my way to mama. At the same car at a trailer, white dash rent. Question mark motive, comma, no, comma, dash, maybe dash not strong insurance money.
00:11:18
Speaker
Dash non girlfriend dash so he could remember his point. Non non clothes dash burn dash mama. I wonder if he had it like written on his forearm so he could remember all these things during interrogation. That's kind of what I'm thinking. That's kind of like literally just more. He's like here's the reasons why I wouldn't kill her. I wish all criminals were that bright. I agree. I agree.
00:11:47
Speaker
All right, so that is it for my buy you boy stories. And now I am going to jump into a pretty well-known story. I did not know it before you told me. Really? Well, apparently, according to the research that I did, it was pretty wide known.
00:12:07
Speaker
So any anybody else that does like true crime, whatever, I'm sure it's been covered by somebody else. But our but our opinions are fantastic. And our banter is top notch. So I'm going to say I'm going to tell it in my way. And if you like it, great. If you don't. Sorry. So give us five star review. Be nice. Yeah, absolutely. We give you a review. If you had something to review, maybe for that. I don't get on the Internet. Well, hmm.
00:12:33
Speaker
Squid per row. Oh my lord. Sorry, bad movie. Stupid reference, Austin Powers. All right, so I am going to talk about Zach and Addie. At approximately 8.30 p.m. on October 17th, 2006, police got a call from a hotel in New Orleans about an apparent suicide. Police arrived and they found a deceased male.
00:13:01
Speaker
In his pocket, they found a Ziploc bag with dog tags that read Zach Bowen. Along with the dog tags, they found a note that specifically said, for police only. The note read, I had to take a life for the life that I took. He left an address in the note. Okay. So after they wrapped up their scene and did, uh,
00:13:30
Speaker
you know, all that CSI stuff, the cops took off to the address that he left. When they got there, they walked in, they started looking around and they found writing all over the wall. And the writing examples that I can tell you that from what I saw, read, whatever, it said things like, look in the oven. Total failure. I loved her. Call Lana Bowen. I'm sorry I couldn't finish.
00:14:01
Speaker
Help me stop the pain. On the oven was written, don't look. But the wall said look at the oven. OK. It sure did. The cops that were on the scene said it was the most horrific crime scene they had ever walked through. And so now we are going to jump back into our way back machine. Not way back, but a little back.
00:14:31
Speaker
Yeah, not super way way back. So when Zach was 17, he met Lana. And she wound up pregnant. OK, so, you know, before we all get that started, he went on a road trip with his dad, decided he was going to stay in Louisiana, yada, yada, yada, whatever. From all points, it seemed like he had a pretty normal childhood. OK, like it wasn't any abusive, crazy, cray cray thing. Like he literally went on a road trip with his dad at 17 and was like, I'm going to stay. Because again,
00:15:01
Speaker
The food is delightful. You can't get boudin outside of Louisiana. Oh, man. I'm sorry. The fried what's the green thing? Okra. That's the one fried okra. That's what you're going to pick out of all Louisiana food. Well, the crawfish, all those all those are given by a dirty rice jambalaya. Like so you eat while you jam. And you're going to continue. All right.
00:15:30
Speaker
So he met Lana. She wound up pregnant, as I said. He neglected to advise Lana at that point that he was only 17. Oh, how old was Lana? In her 20s, late 20s. Yeah. So he found number one. However, they still decided to get married despite of his age. When he turned 18, he joined the military, supported his family, got shipped to Iraq almost immediately because at that point, 9-11 was a deal, right?
00:16:01
Speaker
Uh, so he watched a lot of his friends die. And this is kind of where the trigger warning started. Um, one could only assume with some of the things that he had to see there based solely on the fact of, of some of my friends who came back and they, you know, they didn't want to discuss any of it. Um, but you could tell like something wasn't the same. Yeah. And that's just kind of, you know, people that live through that kind of thing. You can't do the same. No.
00:16:30
Speaker
You can compartmentalize, but you're changed. So he watched all of his friends, a lot of his friends die. And when he came back to his family in Lana, they said his family, he was a completely different person. He refused to talk to Lana about any of the things that went on while he was in combat. In the summer of 2005, Lana and Zach separated. So Zach,
00:16:59
Speaker
Now in New Orleans, where he gets a graveyard shift at a bar in the French Quarter. Zach meets a girl named Addie. Um, I'm sorry, her name was Addie Hall. She worked the shift right after Zach. You know what I mean? Yeah. Cause when you're looking at the French Quarter, it's a party town. It doesn't ever close. It's a party town, bro. Um, so basically.
00:17:24
Speaker
Um, Addie was a dancer, a painter, basically from what all of her friends and whoever said she was just a free spirit. Okay. She was just a person. That's a lot of people in Baton Rouge. Like they're all just fun. Yeah. In a nutshell. So after him trying desperately multiple times to try to get to know this girl, um, one night he decided he was going to stay over.
00:17:51
Speaker
After his shift and just kind of hang out with her during her shift. Well, you don't run away Yeah, wait until her shift ended. They wound up sharing some drinks And bad decisions were made They began a relationship and this was just before hurricane Katrina barreled through Louisiana, okay So before Katrina made landfall Addie found out that Zach was previously married and had children because he didn't tell her
00:18:20
Speaker
Well, I mean, she turned him down how many times? That's not like a hi, I'm fake divorcee with kids that I have nothing to do with. Would you like to go on a date? Well, there you go. Yeah, I mean, it's not really good. You wait till they're hooked. Then you tell them you get your your baggage. And that seems like that seems like what he did. Right. But she didn't accept things well. Right. So she was very unhappy. However, they they worked it out. I mean, most women.
00:18:50
Speaker
would really like. Yeah. But with the hurricane on its way, Lana wanted Zach, Lana, which was his ex. Yeah. Maybe one. Yep. A moment. Wanted Zach to come home to be with her and the kids and try to talk her through. Yeah. Well, none of them, these people that I'm discussing right now, none of them evacuated. I had friends that evacuated and they didn't even live in like Baton Rouge, which was the bad fortune. Right. Right.
00:19:20
Speaker
Um, but Zach chose to say with Addie and he was going to hunker down and, um, just survive it with her. Lana was pissed. Now in their defense, I remember growing up because I did grow up in Louisiana. I grew up about 30 minutes outside of Lake Charles in a town called Jennings. Nothing there. One overpass, but there's a Buddha and King, which is amazing. And.
00:19:48
Speaker
They had the best food in the world. But anyway, I digress. I remember like at least five times that we had to board up all of our windows outside because there were hurricane warnings and we'd go stay at Dr. Chris, Dr. Chris's house. I'll let it out that last name slip. Yeah, you did. We'll edit them. Yeah. But I would, we, my family would go stay at Dr. Chris's house and I was always super afraid about hurricanes, but literally none ever hit like it wasn't even anything more than a bad rainstorm. Right. So.
00:20:14
Speaker
When the hurt I mean it was still technically a hurricane, but it wasn't like Katrina Yeah, but that's Katrina was like people here in Louisiana like people from Louisiana. They're used to this It's like people that live in tornado alley. Yeah, so there could be a tornado But there might not be and I'm not gonna sacrifice my well-being my life my everything Yeah, and I'm sure that chance that when Katrina got bad it was the point of no return like at that point You can't go they couldn't change their mind at that point, right? so
00:20:42
Speaker
Lana, again, not happy. After the storm hit, Zack's mother and Lana were trying to get a hold of him, but he wouldn't answer. Now, whether it was cell phone service at the time, whether it was just off grid, nobody really knows, okay? At some point, Zack actually did finally call his mother. He got a phone from one of the news people who came to report on Katrina. And he said, hey man, can I use your phone?
00:21:12
Speaker
And he called his mom. And so she knew everything was good. Like him and Addie both. Yeah, him and Addie were both alive. Everything was OK. The only reason that Lana knew his ex-wife. No, she saw it on the news. Because apparently Addie and him had been on the news multiple times as survivors of five minutes of fame. You ain't lying.
00:21:40
Speaker
Don't you love it? Don't you love it? And they were talked to and they were you know, they were just a big deal at that point. OK. And I'm going to reiterate that multiple times because they were on the news network giving different interviews like every freaking night. Wow. From from what I read. Yeah. All right. So.
00:22:07
Speaker
as things started to rebuild, Zach and Lana begin, they started to talk again. Basically, when he was ready to, he called Lana and let her know that everything was good. Life's great, yada, yada. So they got into an argument about the children. Zach was like, I'll start taking them every other weekend. So now it became a like outside of the court
00:22:36
Speaker
kind of. No, Grazie. Yeah, I would agree. But that's just me. I'm a weird kind of mom. All right. And Louisiana was trashed after Katrina. Like there's still places in Baton Rouge that aren't. I mean, it's years later. Yeah. And you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, he was in New Orleans, New Orleans. OK. And so they. You know, I'm sure they probably got that major city rebuilt. Right. Because New Orleans was like
00:23:05
Speaker
It still is. It's the place to go. Yeah. So he said they came to an agreement and he would get the kids every other day. Where's Addie? Where does Lana live? It wasn't specific. Honestly, I didn't feel like it was necessary at that point, only because the story really isn't about Lana and Zach. The story is about Zach and Addie, the kids. Yeah, continue. So
00:23:35
Speaker
After they came to that conclusion, Addie was not happy because she thought the communication between the two and thought that ex-wife, Lana, was calling all of the shots. Okay. It's his kid, Twit. Yeah, it is. Like, I get that you're in a relationship and you probably don't want the ex hanging around because they didn't divorce because they fell in love. They divorced because he had issues and went and talked about it.
00:24:01
Speaker
And it was probably a huge thing on their marriage. I get that. Correct. They got married young. They got married because they're pregnant. But he still has kids with her. So you can co-parent and be friends and you don't have to be a wicked stepmom. Yeah, right. Like you just need to accept the fact that the person that you're in love with has a family. A past life. Yeah. All of us do. Yeah. And he has to talk to Lana to coordinate things for his children. Here's the thing though.
00:24:30
Speaker
people would have to actually not be selfish to understand that, right? I still piss this now, but I know I understand where you're coming from. What I'm saying is if people would just stop looking at their desires and their wants and focus that outward just a bit, they would see the needs of somebody else. Yeah.
00:24:56
Speaker
especially when it comes to a kid. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I wouldn't either. No, I wouldn't either. All right, so everyone went back to work. Soon after they started to rebuild everything, Addy worked at the bar, Zach went to work at a grocery store. Kind of being back to the normal life didn't seem to be a good fit for either of them. Well, yeah, they have not been working and they've been famous. Why would they need to work again? Correct, correct. Who wants to go to a nine to five? Nobody. Not me.
00:25:27
Speaker
So now that they're like not the center of attention anymore, both of them started boozing real bad, started doing drugs all the time. How does that help the situation? Dude, it suppresses things, right? Until you're sober again and you realize your life sucks. Or you call the cops and buy your crack. Or you call the cops to buy some crack. There you go. All right. Now look, guys, again, we're not judging simply saying, simply,
00:25:57
Speaker
that it is such a whoa me poor me mentality that like oh I have to go to work who doesn't what what do you mean I have to work for a living and pay taxes who why I'm special sorry that was that was bad that was okay I'm gonna move on all right so they're unhappy they're not the limelight anymore they're going back to work
00:26:26
Speaker
Doing a lot of drugs, drinking a lot of drinks. The more drinks they drank, the more drugs they took, the worse their relationship got. Shocker. So out of nowhere, he became totally jealous over at him. She would get on top of the bar that she worked at. She would dance and customers loved it. The more she danced, the more pissed off that Zach would get. I'm sure it helped too, but yeah. Yeah. I don't think I would want my significant other dancing on the bar tops either.
00:26:57
Speaker
No. Probably not so much. But... And I couldn't get on a bar top because I'd probably break it and fall and break myself. Right, but like... Here's the thing. Alright, hey. I'm Zach, right? And you're Addie. Right. You ready? Let's play this game. Okay. Stop dancing on top of bars. No, I make more money. I don't want to be with you anymore. Okay, bye.
00:27:21
Speaker
Simple. Yeah. Simple. But unfortunately when you enter drugs into the situation. True. I come from a very long history of family members who are addicts and nothing is that simple or clear cut in a common conversation doesn't happen. Right. Okay. So you know what? I'll get on board with that. Just simply due to the fact that they were obviously abusing, right? Um,
00:27:47
Speaker
They're probably codependent on each other at this point, too, even if it was a negative codependence. So Addie had at this point started telling her friends that she was going to leave him that she would have. Yeah. Well, one night they got into a huge fight and Zach started to hit her. It was the first time, but it wouldn't be the last. OK, so the two of them lost their apartment and they wound up getting a new one above a voodoo shot.
00:28:15
Speaker
Now, the voodoo shop plays a very important role in this only because like the actual voodoo shop had nothing to do with what happens next. So I'm going to wait. I'm sorry. I'm going to wait. And I'll explain that after. So friends hitting her one night, they got into a huge fight. They lost their apartment.
00:28:45
Speaker
So she hurt. He and her ended up leasing their apartment above the voodoo shop, but she put everything in her name. He didn't know that she put everything in her name, not know he didn't have to fill out paperwork. Apparently not. So she was trying to throw his things out one night. She was tossing his crap out the door.
00:29:07
Speaker
And she straight up was like leave. I don't want you here. You can't be here apartment. Exactly. Everything is in her name. So he gets on the phone with the landlord and he's like, what's going on? I like she's trying to kick me out. It's our apartment. I pay half of everything he called and tattled. Well, yeah. But it turns out how much he paid. He had no he had no relevance there. No, it's in her name. It was in her name. So she wanted him gone. He had to leave.
00:29:37
Speaker
Well, no, he didn't. So that night he strangled Addie. Hmm. He then opened Addie's journal and started writing, describing everything that happened. Guys, trigger warning for everything, everything. OK, so if you don't want to hear what happens next, please just move on. OK, because it's gruesome. In the journal, he admitted to killing her. He then admitted.
00:30:08
Speaker
to having sex with her corpse. Addie's friends began to call her. What? Yeah. Began calling her. And she didn't answer. So they became concerned. Addie's body began to decompose. OK. Jeez. So Zach drug her to the bathtub. And he began answering Addie's phone telling his friends that she had skipped town. Wouldn't she take her phone with her if she's going to skip town?
00:30:35
Speaker
I mean, you know, I mean, how many, but how many people though, in all honesty, if you know this guy and you've been around him for so long, do you really like feasibly think that he's capable of doing anything bad? Like, yes, yes. I've never been around him, but I've heard his stories. Yes, I do. But see, I think that's where people.
00:31:01
Speaker
They don't want to suspect the worst in people. And I think nobody does exactly. Exactly. I mean, how many dads have killed their entire family? Yeah. How many moms have smothered their own children? You would never think for a second that your baby dirt, your baby girl and your.
00:31:23
Speaker
baby boy would be capable of something so heinous. Well, I get that, but like her friends have to know something's up. They've seen the bruises. They know, you know what I mean? Like they know their relationship is volatile. They know she was going to break up with him. Okay. Well, I want you to think about it this way, right? Eminem and Rihanna had a song basically about like abuse. Yeah. And it's normalized now. Like fighting with your, your significant other is kind of like a thing. Yeah, true.
00:31:52
Speaker
In public. Yeah. Keep that crap behind closed doors, y'all. But like, I mean, how many women nowadays are so willing to strike their partner? Yeah. Straight up. And then expect nothing to happen because men should hit women. Right? Yeah. Keep your damn hands to yourself. Both sexes. And keep both sexes. It's called being an adult. It's just called being a polite person. Yeah. Common sense. Decency.
00:32:22
Speaker
Well, we don't have it. Continue. I will. All right. So after he started spewing all his B.S. about how she skipped town and. He doesn't know where she is. What a la la la. Zach went on like a bender as one does when they're a drug addict. So he drank and had sex with whoever would.
00:32:53
Speaker
Um, all kinds of one night stands, all kinds of drugs, all kinds of, you know, alcohol, whatever. And 12 days, 12 days after he killed Addy, um, he headed to the rooftop and he ordered some drinks. That was the same hotel that I had mentioned at the beginning. So it's like a rooftop bar. In a nutshell. Okay. So he was ordering drinks. Um,
00:33:23
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I'm sorry guys. He paced back and forth on the rooftop and there were some people there that were kind of wondering like, you know, is this guy okay? You can tell when something's not right. Go get a manager off the rooftop. Off the roof. At the beginning, we talked about the note and the dog tags.
00:33:50
Speaker
and where they could find the other murderer. So the cops arrived. They found all the writing on the wall that I had discussed. The cops proceeded to search and they came across the oven. On the top of the oven. You want to describe what the oven looks like? You need to stop. All right, side note before we get into the series.
00:34:13
Speaker
I tried. I tried guys. So I tried so hard. So we try to record this and we try to record it remotely while she was in Florida. Okay. Number one, my, my story. You can rebut in a minute. So number one, you could hear this volleyball game going that was like Olympics, like screaming, cheering. It was just a bunch of drunk college kids, I'm sure, but they were having a good old time.
00:34:37
Speaker
Dude, they were all like eight. I hear my bug zapper going the whole time because I was sitting outside. It was stupidly late. And Lisa. I was on vacation. We'll just leave it there. She needs to go to bed early. Yeah. She's old. And she had a few libations after a day out in the sun. So we're recording it because hey, you could tell.
00:35:02
Speaker
She repeated the same part of the story 52 times. At least. At least. At least. And then at one part, which I might put up at some point just because it amuses me and her friend Destiny that was on last time, but she was trying to get to this part and she goes, so they came upon a stove. Faith, I don't know if you've seen one of these types, but it's got four round things on the top that look like eyes and a door that opens that you put food in to keep it hot.
00:35:28
Speaker
Yeah, like all guys don't know because some people know not know some people have like your double oven, right? That has nothing to do with four eye type figures on the top. Yeah, they're in a different place. If we walk into my house right now, there's a double oven to the left and then a stove on the opposite side on the right. Still four eyes on the top.
00:35:55
Speaker
Actually, I think there's five on mine, but that's fine. Yeah, that's why you need to declare. I did. I do need to clarify. Yeah, I'm rich, right? So anyway, we have multiple eyes on it just so everyone knows one of those back in the old days. Look, guys, look, you go on vacation, try to do a podcast. OK, that's why we're dropping late. It's on me. I'm sorry. OK, I'm not actually sorry because I had a really good time. Anyways, back to the story.
00:36:24
Speaker
Oh, right. So as the cops proceeded to search, they came across an oven. This oven was a standalone of it. No, I'm kidding. Oh, my God. And that's the last time we'll last this up. Well, all right. So on top, there were pods. OK, like big like saucepan kind of huge colander, right?
00:36:50
Speaker
Not colander's colander's have holes in it. Oh, you're right. I'm so sorry. It's just big. Just huge. Like gumbo pots. Yeah. Gumbo pots. Gumbo pots. Sauce pans. Depends on where you go. Right. In New York, sauce pans. Everybody knows. All right. So, yeah. The cop opened the lid and found Addie's pet. He had apparently tried to cook it. But why?
00:37:20
Speaker
I mean, I feel like that's kind of a question that we all ask in every single podcast that you know what I mean? There's no like, you know, how often do we say it? But why cook it? There is no rhyme or reason. There is no explanation for what the human mind is possibly capable of. Yeah. So he apparently tried to cook it.
00:37:50
Speaker
The next pot they opened had her hands in her feet. They had also been cooked. They opened the oven in a rather large pan. I had to quit there. Just let the end there. There were at his legs and that's a big damn pan. It apparently also had been like cooking. So where's her? Where's her? As much as they didn't want to keep going, because again, like I said at the very beginning, like
00:38:20
Speaker
These cops, like just straight up, this was the most horrendous, grotesque crime scene that they had ever seen in their career. Yes. OK. And I feel like I'm sorry, guys, but like New Orleans, where there's some weird crap that goes on there, some weird crap that goes on there. I feel like that's saying something, right? So they they kept on keeping on and they opened the fridge where there was a large black
00:38:49
Speaker
Garbage bag. Don't open that bag. And it was her torso. Oh. According to the coroner, Zach never ate any piece of Addy. And I guess apparently that makes it better. Yeah, that's a good thing. But to this day, his family and his friends, even his mom, had no idea he could possibly be capable of something like that.
00:39:16
Speaker
The only thing bigger than a mother's love is a mother's forgiveness and blindness. That's true, but. I mean, like realistically, right where where you're married, OK, you're out and about your mom knows you for what you're willing to see. Yeah, like what I show exactly. She will never truly know what you're capable of because you're not going to reveal that side of you to her. No, right. I don't have that side side note.
00:39:45
Speaker
No, side note, it's it's obsession. That's what it is. Obsession. I just don't understand why I cut her up and cook her like if he wasn't going to eat her unless in his drug, I don't mind. He thought like she would dissolve. No, I really think that it was a vengeance.
00:40:06
Speaker
like you you made me yeah you made me mad and so i'm gonna make you pay but his his ex-wife divorced him and that was and he just moved on he didn't want to be with her it was his sense okay and so i guess he felt betrayed and the cowardice all of it like all of it just makes no sense no
00:40:30
Speaker
So you're gonna tell me you're gonna kill this girl, you're not gonna tell anybody about it, then you're gonna have a 12-day binge of sex, drugs, and alcohol.
Exploitation of Tragedy as Tourism
00:40:37
Speaker
And then throw yourself off of a roof. Obviously, he was not mentally sound. Correct. Because the writing on the wall, the journal, but the writing on the wall saying, look in the stove, and the stove saying, don't look in it. All the half sentences on the wall. Yeah, call my ex-wife. Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:00
Speaker
It's just weird. You know, and and it's. Like, I understand. Look, guys, like, let's get real for a minute. OK, how many people have not truly experimented with drugs? Now, I've never gone on hard stuff. I've never done drugs. Shut shut up. But you said you came from a long line of people that did. I've seen it destroy their lives. Some of your uncles, right? Did they did they murder their wives?
00:41:30
Speaker
Is that really a viable excuse? No. Okay. Like, I mean, I'm serious. You know, I've, but they've done stuff when they're high that they would never do normal. Correct. Correct. But take a human life is something, even a drug addict is like,
00:41:50
Speaker
That's to meet you for more than drugs. You've got you've got some there's something up here. I'm sorry. There's something in your brain. Yeah, that is is not it's not clicking. Something's not triggering. It's not firing the right way. Well, and quite frankly with not all I'm not saying like any vet is but it sounds like he had a lot of trauma and PTSD seeing people
00:42:12
Speaker
get killed in Iraq, which I have a lot of friends that went to Iraq and they did, they did not handle it well either. They came back different. They turned to drugs to cope. They did get better. I had a friend who actually had to get stationed in Katrina at that point. Some of the things that they, that person told me was, was some of the rape and mutilation that was going on in the housing. They were trying to put these people. Yeah. And bodies.
00:42:37
Speaker
floating on the water, people dead, literally duct taping people to polls so they can come get them later. So I would say that that would call, especially with the drug abuse, that's going to cause them severe flashbacks. Absolutely. And that would honestly be the only logical explanation I would have for my question would be where in Afghanistan at that point in time. Were they cutting people up and barbecuing? Well, I'm not saying they were.
00:43:07
Speaker
I'm saying maybe, because he strangled her, he killed her, and maybe everything else was just cleaning up. Do you know what I mean? Because he's got all this mental trauma, and he's obviously got some unresolved issues anyways. He's got a lot of addiction issues, some control issues,
00:43:33
Speaker
Issues, issues, issues. And so after he killed her, because a lot of times when you kill, when they interview people, I do not know from, you know, experience, but a lot of times like when they interview people that have killed a significant other, a family member, they always regret it after they come down from their high. So I would say he killed her in a fit of rage. Is it real regret or is it simply the fact that we're playing a game? I don't know. But I think he killed her in a fit of rage.
00:44:02
Speaker
And then afterwards, just try to cover his tracks. And that's more than likely why he cut her up. OK, so. I'm sorry, but in a normal mindset. That's your go to know not to dig a hole somewhere and put a body in it, but I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to kill her as this. And I'm going to cut him up. I'm going to cut her up. I'm going to put pieces of her and try to cook her. And then I'm going to go on a 12 day binge. Right. And then throw myself off of the building, quite frankly.
00:44:32
Speaker
in Louisiana, you just have to find a marshland and throw it in there. Oh, yeah, you know, gators. Yeah, the whole deal. There was. I think all of it, all of it was right. It was great. Yeah, I don't think I don't think he was thinking clearly. OK, so then I'm going to bring up two things. OK, one. This man came back from the military, from Afghanistan, from whatever. I don't know. No, no, no, no. Did they check on them?
00:45:03
Speaker
Do they want to know how they're doing? No, no, no. My taxpayer money pays for all kinds of crap that I don't want to pay for all kinds. Amen. But not to the people that provide safety and salvation for our country. OK, it's a safe haven. So here's this guy. He goes in and he sees bloodshed everywhere. Friends shot down. Yeah. OK, then he comes back and he has to just go back to normal life and they're like, oh, well, we did a psych exam.
00:45:32
Speaker
No, you didn't. Dude, no, it's not even that. Like it's a psych exam is literally you talking. Do any of these professionals trained in people that lie? I could lie to you all day long. You could ask me what's wrong right now. And I'd say, no, everything's great. Honky donky. Right. And then two minutes later, go to the bathroom and slit my wrists. Nobody knows. No. And you got it.
00:45:57
Speaker
example. I had a friend that I grew up with that went into Afghanistan after 9 11 um and he came back and he was messed up like yeah bad and he got he went to drugs to forget what he saw there but he had a caged mama god bless her heart she's one of my favorite people and she was not gonna let her baby boy it was her oldest son go down like that
00:46:26
Speaker
So she literally will call her Miss Jan, not her name. But Miss Jan went to every crack house and would find him and pull like, because I would call the, I would call his parents' house to like check on him. And I would talk to his younger brother or his dad and they'd be like, Oh, Miss, Miss Jan's gone to find him. We'll tell him you called. Yeah. But it was like a year until they finally said, you go to rehab or you go to live with Faith's dad. And he's going to take care of you and get you straight. And he chose rehab because my dad's carrier.
00:46:56
Speaker
Um, but again, again, he had a village that did not give up on him. And it wasn't just as well. It was you. And it was the people that surrounded this guy. Yeah. You've got, but not everybody has that. No. And that's what I'm saying. You're going in and you're literally just for lack of a better word, brainwashing them into battle.
00:47:19
Speaker
Okay, when the battle is over, you just set them off onto the street. And then you wonder why bad things happen to them. Yeah, not even, not even just bad things happen to them, but bad things that happen to other people because that's how they were trained. That's because they, I mean, they're not like, guys.
00:47:37
Speaker
This is not all veterans, okay? Because if you want my honest opinion, if you wanted to station some of these military veterans, Green Berets, whatever, whatever, in front of my kids' school, any friggin' day, any day! Absolutely. But there has got to be some kind of a follow-up. This guy was mentally unstable. Not only mentally unstable, but looked to drugs to rehabilitate himself.
00:48:04
Speaker
Which never works. And I'm not going to justify what he did to Addie. There's no justice. But my point being, OK, at least no, I'm not going to say that that's messed up. OK, but he chose to end his own life because he knew he was wrong. Yeah, he knew he was wrong. He never killed anybody else. He didn't do anything other than that. He knew he messed up. This was a guy I would literally feel had remorse. And felt terrible for what he did.
00:48:35
Speaker
Whether he was in a sociatic state or was it that or he just didn't want to go to jail. Damn good point. You don't know that he felt remorse. Not even a little bit. That's true. No, you're right. You're right. He wouldn't have cut her up if he felt any kind of guilt. He'd have turned himself in and paid for his crime. He chose to cowardly out. I agree. And I'm sorry. That's what it is. Yeah. Because he didn't kill himself because
00:49:02
Speaker
He was unhappy or depressed and that is a very real thing. He killed himself because he did something wrong and he didn't want to suffer the consequence. He knew he'd get busted and he didn't want to go to jail. Agreed. You want to tell them the worst part of this case, in my opinion? Go right ahead. Know you. Know you. The voodoo shop. Oh, the voodoo shop. Yep, you're right. No, I'm sorry. All right. So, guys, the voodoo shop that he they lived over
00:49:32
Speaker
OK, give me a second. Because this. This pisses me off. It pisses me. It pisses me off. That the people that own the voodoo shop. Redecorated that home after everything was cleaned. After everything was pulled out and it was back to normal.
00:49:57
Speaker
They could have they could have rented it out for money, but they didn't. They recreated the scene of the murder. And they they actually make money on little tours on tours. I'm sorry. That is absolute complete BS. What a way to disrespect a human life.
00:50:20
Speaker
That is like, I'm not gonna cuss, but that's jacked up, bro. Yeah, because she didn't deserve that nor did she deserve her life to be reduced down to her dismembered corpse.
The Vampire Clan and Rod Farrell's Descent
00:50:33
Speaker
fake pots a fake corpse obviously to sell five dollars ahead yeah like and I get that people are into crime obviously we are we're telling you a story we're talking about yeah but it's a true crime podcast like all these people like just like alright you want to be in the
00:50:52
Speaker
extraterrestrial or um uh the the ghosts hunter whatever show some freaking respect yeah show some respect they guarantee they're popping all that money it's not going to addy's family oh i saw some of the things that i came across at that point where people that oh we're gonna go take this tour overnight and we're gonna see if anything knocks on the on the wall
00:51:16
Speaker
Guys, come on! Which, you know what? You wanna do a tour of the house because there was a murder in there? I'm okay with that. Don't refriggin' create it! I'm not okay with the recreation. Exactly. Like, that is... That's not okay in my book. Like, there's a line. You've crossed it. Yeah, you're a dick! Yeah? Yeah!
00:51:39
Speaker
Like, how? Like, even as an individual, I don't care what you believe in, Satan, God, Voodoo, Allah, freakin' Baal, I don't care. Is there no place in your human conscience that tells you that recreating a crime for money, okay? Splattering crap on the walls, writing the words on the walls, writing- Come on! Exactly. Like, and I'm sorry.
00:52:07
Speaker
When you do horrible things and you murder people or you hurt people or you're a serial killer, you deserve to go to jail and you deserve whatever happens to you. I'm fine with that. Their families are just as much a victim as their actual victim. Because a lot of times their families don't know. His kids had nothing to do with his dad.
00:52:27
Speaker
They barely saw the man. Yeah. They've got his last name and they're tied to him for life. And anytime you Google, like literally, if you Google their names, because I didn't, I was trying to look at the spelling of his last name when you're in Florida. Yeah. Um, to type up my little notes, notey notes to go in the little reader section. Um, that's the first thing that came, that came up is, is the voodoo shop and their tours. Yep. So their kids, like that's linked to them for fricking life. Yeah.
00:52:55
Speaker
That's not fair. But here's the deal. We don't care about that as a human society, right? We don't care about other people's feelings. Just like you said earlier. Exactly. It's all about me and what I can get. Me, me, me. I, I, I, mind, mind, mind. Exactly. That's crap. Sorry, that pissed me off last time too. I know. I know.
00:53:14
Speaker
And I'm sorry that I did such a crappy job the first time, was not paying attention to anything. I'm sorry that when you were texting me about Louisiana, I texted you back and said, Louisiana people are crazy. They'll cook you and eat you. I'm sorry about that text now. Well, you live there. So I kind of get that justification. I get it. I get it.
00:53:35
Speaker
All right, well, let's take a- Holy crap. Everybody take a deep cleansing breath. A very deep cleansing breath because me and Faith just dug deep. Dug deep. Yep, we're gonna take a deep cleansing breath and we're gonna move on to the Bible Belt of Kentucky. Woo hoo! Breathe in, breathe out. Okay guys, I hope you've got a deep cleansing breath and ready to move on. We are going to Kentucky.
00:54:03
Speaker
which is in the deep south. We're going to round about the Bible Belt type of area. Is that like Embraider? No, that's, I'm sorry, that's Virginia. My bad, we're good, go. Resumes, anytime now, any of them. All right, so we are gonna go to Kentucky. We're going to Murray, Kentucky, and I'm gonna tell you a story about Roderick Farrell, our Pharrell. I like Farrell. And he went by Rod.
00:54:33
Speaker
So this is about the vampire clan of Kentucky. What? Yep. Vampire? I'm sorry, what? Twilight? Wait, no. What's the other one? Vampire Diaries. No, do not make fun of Damon. You go back and sparkle, vampire. Come on. We do not make fun of Ian Somerhalder in my house. All right. No, but it's not like.
00:54:58
Speaker
Blade kind of yes, we'll go blade freaking vampires though. Murray, Kentucky. Please tell me they shaved their teeth because that would be amazing. You know, I don't know, but that would make this better. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to give you a little background. Roderick or Rod Farrell was born on March 20th, 1980.
00:55:20
Speaker
He did go by the name Rod. Like I said, his mother's name was Sandra Gibson, who is a certifiable 100% grade A piece of crap, but we'll get there. Okay. Um, she met and fell in love with her high school sweetheart and had Rod shortly thereafter. Right. Um, true love. There's was not and Rod's parents divorced within a year of the marriage.
00:55:45
Speaker
and his father left to have a military career. It is later referenced in some of the documentaries that the first time Rod saw his father or heard his father's voice was at trial.
00:56:00
Speaker
Wow, okay. So, point one against him. I mean, maybe he could walk in daylight and his son couldn't. Good, good. That was messed up, sorry. Yeah, not sorry. Deadbeat dads suck.
00:56:16
Speaker
Alright, so to cause further issues, his mother was young and from all accounts very selfish and immature. She flipped through jobs extremely quickly, leaving Rod with her parents to raise as she'd go off to party and do drugs with her little gang of friends.
00:56:33
Speaker
As with her career, she also flipped through relationships and marriages, and she also flipped through locations. When you say flipped, like do you mean like one after the other? Like how many are we talking? His mom's not really the focal point, just a few tidbits of how shitty she is of a person.
00:56:52
Speaker
which I'll kind of hit at the end. You just said a wordy-dird. I did. That was a wordy-dird. But trust me, when I hit the end of what this woman does, you'll 100% agree I was mild in my vitriol for her. So it'd be more like a Lisa word, not a Faith word. Yeah. OK. OK. So she also moved back and forth between Kentucky and Florida pretty regularly. I'm not sure why. It never really said why. Probably jobs, maybe boyfriends. I'm not really sure.
00:57:22
Speaker
but took Rod along for the ride back and forth, back and forth.
00:57:25
Speaker
So basically what you're telling me is this kid had absolutely no foundation of a life. There were no roots anywhere for this kid to grow or. No, no, none. He like, even if he was growing in the fiery pits of hell at this point, it had been better than what his mom. Yeah. And just the example, she was like, there's one story of because she would just go on these like drug vendors with her little gang of friends who were awesome. Awesome. And her parents loved their grandkids, but they did not want to raise
00:57:55
Speaker
their grandkids. And so basically her dad told her at one point you need to come get your son and take care of him. And so like adoption though was never a factor there. I wish it was but no. And she basically told her dad you're going to take care of him and you're going to shut up our Jimmy Bob my current
00:58:18
Speaker
Boyfriend is gonna come kill you and slit your throat. Oh, okay. Cool. Okay. So this was the that was his only parental figure was this woman so He he would go back and forth to schools, I mean obviously his mom didn't care and
00:58:36
Speaker
I've, he dropped out of high school in Florida when they moved back to Jordan, back to Kentucky, not Georgia, sorry. And I've heard conflicting stories about him restarting school in Kentucky and then dropping out before he graduated and stories of him being expelled. I can't really verify which one it was, but either way, um, he did not finish high school. I've read across so much. That's not even funny. Like trying to find the history of anybody who
00:59:05
Speaker
I feel like it's all kind of like, you know, they black stuff out in court, like things that are not to be discussed. Yeah, they can't bring it up. So which I mean, and quite frankly, just because he didn't redact it. I'm sorry. Just that was the word. Yes. Just because he didn't finish high school doesn't mean he's going to turn into a sociopath. Not even a little bit. He does not have a great foundation or anyone looking out for his best interests. Well, I mean, OK, so let's just freeze for a second. You're looking at a kid who's probably
00:59:34
Speaker
has raised himself basically from the moment of conception, right? Yeah, 100%. So you're looking at a child whose mom goes off on whatever benders, right? So he's learning how to feed himself. Yeah. He's learning how to take care of himself. He's also being shown that violence is a good solution to when you're upset. Right. He's being shown that your friends are more important than anything else. Right.
00:59:59
Speaker
And as somebody who worked with kids for as long as I did, like the toddler mind is so moldable and so just like what's the word I'm looking for? Malleable. Malleable. Yeah. It doesn't like it doesn't really matter. Correct. Right. And that. Wow. All right. So Rod said and this is a paraphrased paraphrase quote by him.
01:00:28
Speaker
Um, after everything happened, but at this point in his life, everything he listened to was dark based on death and pain. My room was decorated in the dark arts filled with a satanic Bible necromancy documents upside down crosses shards of glass decorated the corners, necromancy, necromancy, um, shards of glass decorated the corners, hooks and metal cables wrapped around each other, making hooks.
01:00:54
Speaker
That's this kid's bedroom, and for me, that is a cry for help. Okay, but I wanna know who introduced him to those things. Well. Was it mom? Was it something that he came across? No. What year was this? We're in about 1995. Okay, so the internet's available. Yes, but that is not where he learned it. Okay. So his mom,
01:01:20
Speaker
got him heavily involved into this role playing game called Vampire the Masquerade. Think Dungeons and Dragons but vampires. So it's like a board game and it's set in the real world quote unquote but gothic and you develop these characters and you do all these things and it became an escape for him but it also went a little far.
01:01:45
Speaker
because by the time Rod was 15 when he was moving back from Florida to Kentucky, Rod at 15 believed or at least claimed that he was a 500 year old vampire named Visago. Oh, oh, OK. All right. So here's here's my favorite part, guys. OK, like.
01:02:11
Speaker
The words that come out of a human mouth are so speculative and you never know when somebody's lying and when they're really not. Like there's no real basis on how to tell if somebody's lying. OK, so now we're getting an accurate account from him, I would assume. Yeah. Right. Who said at 15, that's what he. He's a 500 year old vampire named Visago. Correct. That's fact.
01:02:40
Speaker
in his mind in well but that's the thing did he really believe that or was this just an excuse i honestly i really think he believed that like unfortunately i don't know it's kind of weird so well because i feel like insanity plea when you start saying something like that like you're very you're very close to developing a pretty significant trial right based on the fact that you're not normal oh yeah but he had
01:03:05
Speaker
Let, let's continue and you can judge that. All right. All right. I don't think it was a insanity plea defense. So, um, when he moved back into Kentucky and he's really into this game, he became close to a local teen at his school named Steven. Steven was also a vampire who went by the name Jaden, a lot of names. I'm going to try to say like Rod slash Sago, Steven slash Jaden, whatever.
01:03:35
Speaker
So they met in September 1995 and they became very close friends, mainly because they were the most, they were the two most gothic style kids at their school and everybody wanted them to fight each other. So they decided to just be best friends, which kudos to them like to like, um,
01:03:55
Speaker
It was at this time, moving back to Kentucky and playing this game. Oh yeah. He met Steven, Jayden, Steven slash Jayden. They become friends in 1996. So this was September, just the next year. Jayden slash Steven invited Rob to become an official vampire. Okay. So real quick, we, we, I can assume have absolutely no background on Jayden, right?
01:04:19
Speaker
Correct. We don't know what his family life was like. We don't know if, was he a happy home? Was it a miserable home? Because I feel like a lot of times, um, and you know what guys get, get mad, get mad. Cause I'm gonna say it. If you would just look at your kid and say,
01:04:41
Speaker
Um, that's not appropriate. But you know, and, and, and I'm not going to back down from, I'll die on that hill. Devil's advocate. Steven slash Jaden was not bad. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, that Steven, not Steven, but. Okay. I was going to say Baltimore, but whatever. The saga. The saga had a, a very transparently horrible. He did.
01:05:08
Speaker
and we know his mom, his dad, whatever, they're not going to intervene. But why is it for, and again, we do not know what Jaden's history, past, whatever, what his parents are like. What I'm asking as a general population, when you see your kid going down a path where he full on believes
01:05:35
Speaker
OK, not playing a game, but truly believes he's a vampire. If he's not hurting anybody, who cares? I care. I don't. He's a he's a functioning member of society. Jayden serves a purpose. You'll get we'll get there. That's not my point. My point is, as a parent, how far is too far to let your kid wander into a game where he's becoming completely engulfed in a realm that doesn't exist?
01:06:05
Speaker
I don't I don't have. OK, so I get. All right. Let's let's jump back into 2022. Right. Yeah. And you have all of these games that come out. Yeah. Internet games. We've got online games. There's literally games out there. We build your own avatar and live a life inside of the Internet. Yeah. OK. And do whatever you want to do. There's even a like people who said
01:06:32
Speaker
That they they sexually assaulted me in a video game and are trying to press. OK, that's what I'm saying. They're trying to press charges against an avatar. OK, no, but what I'm saying is how far is too freaking far? I don't think that I think that's something everybody has to determine for themselves, unfortunately. Because I mean, in all honesty,
01:06:56
Speaker
Rod slash Visago didn't have a shot. No, he didn't have an ice chips chance in hell. Steven slash Jayden. While he did live outside a normal construct. He I'll tell you why I don't think he's in the wrong with his quote unquote life choices, because I'm not going to judge. You want to think you're a fairy? Be a fairy. Don't hurt people. Be a good person. I don't care. You want to you want to play Quidditch?
01:07:25
Speaker
be Harry Potter? I don't care. Don't hurt people. Be a good person. I can't. I can't. I can't get on board with that. There's too many things nowadays that infringe on my rights as a human. But that's that goes back to be a good person. Like be a decent human being, be a contributing member of society. I don't care what you are.
01:07:48
Speaker
Yeah, but we could get into this. It's too much. This is too much. All right, fine. He's a good vampire. We'll go with that. He's Edward Cullen. All right. He's a nice guy.
01:08:03
Speaker
Steven slash Jayden invites Rob slash the saga, the 500 year old vampire to become an official vampire by the blood drinking ritual and invited him to become part of his vampire family. Okay. I'm sorry. Now I'm going to intervene one more time. Blood drinking ritual. I'm going to get there if you would just zip it for five seconds. All right. So, um, so at the ritual, they would go to an old cemetery.
01:08:30
Speaker
and they would go to this really old tree in this cemetery where, and this is a quote from Jaden slash Steven, all chosen ones that have been made by their sires, go. So they go to the tree and Jaden makes three cuts on his arm with razor blade. Self-mutilation, okay. So Visago slash Rod drinks from his blood and then Visago slash Rod makes three slashes on his arm, Steven slash Jaden,
01:09:00
Speaker
drinks from Rod slash Wasago. And then they sat in quiet meditation for several hours afterwards. And that is how the 500 year old vampire boy Rod slash Wasago became an official vampire into Steven slash Jayden's family. Okay. Were any of them adults at this point in time? They're 15. Uh-huh. They're children. Yeah. Okay. So now we have children drinking each other. Did you make bad decisions when you were 15, Lisa? I didn't drink people's blood's faith. Did you make bad decisions?
01:09:29
Speaker
Because the Bible says sin is sin. So bad decisions are bad decisions. And if you made a bad decision on your 15. Yeah, but here's the deal. When I made a bad decision, when I was 15, I had consequences for those decisions, not people who they, I'm going to go drink my friend's blood in the woods. And then mom and dad are totally copacetic with this. Well, I'm sure his parents didn't know exactly what was going on. Let's be honest. Then why don't you? Okay, fine. Fine. All right.
01:09:54
Speaker
So at this point, Rod slash Masago became a part of Steven slash Jayden's vampire family. He had, it's reported between 10 to like 30, I'm guessing it's more like 10 to 15 kids in this little vampire clan family. And the vampires stress obedience to the clan. They are very big on sires, like whoever your sire was, Jayden slash Steven was the sire and the head of this vampire family.
01:10:21
Speaker
Okay. So his word, his word was law. You obeyed his rules. You put the clan above all others, even before your quote unquote human family. How dangerous is that? It is dangerous, but they also had a lot of other rules. Like you, every, any blood drinking between only could take place between family members. Right. It had to be consensual. You do not hurt, maim, anything humans, period. So they were the colons.
01:10:48
Speaker
No, OK. But not to mention the bacteria and all kinds of other things that can happen to you. Sure, sure. Drinking human blood because, again, our parents aren't stepping in saying, hey, buddy, well, check these syndromes out. Check these diseases out. Check. But quite frankly, gosh. OK. So when I was in high school, there was a group of Dungeons and Dragons. Individuals will say. Yeah. Yeah. And where I lived out on the lake,
01:11:15
Speaker
lived at the very end of the the little peninsula thing in Tennessee and the next stop like if you pull out my street you go to the left there's a park and it's basically a little island with a lake all around it and every fracking weekend before the crack addicts moved into the park there for a little bit there are all these people and they they played their dungeon and dragons games with uh cardboard swords and suits and little brooms that were ponies and they battled it out pretty uh
01:11:43
Speaker
They were serious. So at what point did they take a real blade, cut each other and then drink their blood? They did not. But my point is now my point is is imaginary is a a imaginary state where I can fight you. OK, if we want to do the I know what do they call it when you dress up? No cosplay cosplay cosplay.
01:12:07
Speaker
Cosplay meaning nothing that we do is real. I got that. There is no self-harm. I got that. But here's my thing. And this is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. I will. I'm sure. These kids, they were in this vampire clan of Jadons. They were not like the other kids at their high school. No. They were gothic. They were misfits. They were shunned. They did not have any friends.
01:12:37
Speaker
They were loners. They were made fun of. They were bullied. Yeah. Like we all know those kids in high school, right? Yeah. But here's my thing. So I was also a misfit in high school and regret my time. And I regret every decision that I made. You did, but that's as an adult. So my point is like, we all know those kids in high school and
01:13:02
Speaker
Those kids don't fit in anywhere. And those are the kids that usually, quite frankly, self-harm. Are they harm others? Are they miserable and they're depressed and they have no social like connection because they're few and far between of them. So Steven slash Jayden gave them friends, a peer group, a safe place. But it wasn't safe. But okay.
01:13:30
Speaker
They were self-harming themselves. They were giving each other paper cuts and licking the scabs. Like it wasn't. That's not what you were saying. You were saying they were drinking each other's blood. But it was literally like just a drop or two. Like they weren't like taking mouthfuls out of a gaping wound. It wouldn't matter either way. If somebody had some, they were already diseased. I get that they brought it too far.
01:13:51
Speaker
But what would have happened to these kids if they were just alone being made fun of? Again, that is the extreme point that I'm trying to push across right now. Yeah.
Societal Pressures and the Role of Parenting
01:14:02
Speaker
But why do they have to change themselves to be quote unquote normal? Not normal. Not normal. OK, but to have somebody in their lives who tells them.
01:14:11
Speaker
But that person does not go to school with them. Here's the deal. I'm talking family. Yeah, I get what you're saying, but I'm saying on the flip side, devil's advocate, your mama that's telling you you're so pretty. You can be anything you want to be. Everybody likes you. Blah, blah, blah. The things all moms, all good moms say. No, no, no. What I'm saying is be a parent. I get that. But when they go to school and they are gothic and they're different.
01:14:35
Speaker
Gothic just because it's these kids, right? They are different and they don't fit in and they don't have a peer group This gave them a safe way to talk to kids about your life whether you were the popular kid or not. That's fine Help them when they're in school by themselves, but to show them that there is in fact a Life after you don't believe that when you do school. Yes, I did as a high schooler. You did not
01:15:03
Speaker
Well, you know what? If you believed everything your parents said when you were in high school, you'd have never drank before 21, or smoked a cigarette, or gone clubbing with your brothers. Okay, but here's my question. Am I still alive? You are. Are they still alive? Yeah. Okay. But the only reason, I was more of a self-induced pain. Yeah, I get that. Had I not listened to everybody else, probably wouldn't have been alive. Yeah. I went through a lot of crap. But you also had friends that were killing you. No, no, no. I had no friends.
01:15:34
Speaker
I don't want to say her name. Not really. Okay. I didn't know you guys. No, no, no, no. What's my personality? I'm going to sacrifice for you. I'm going to do what you. Shut up. I'm in a, I'm in a boulder rolling down a hill. I don't know why. You called me a bulldog. Okay. That was your last thought. Who's the first person you call when something's going on? You. But that's my persona. That's my personality. Now here's the deal. When you are somebody who's being leashed off of your entire life,
01:16:02
Speaker
Okay. I a hundred percent get, I don't disagree with you, but I'm saying in this scenario. Okay. I feel like he served a purpose because he gave them a peer group while it may not have been the healthiest peer group. It's healthier than them being on their own hating themselves because they're the only ones like them.
01:16:26
Speaker
Okay. That makes sense. Do you know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. Like I'm not saying what he did was right. I'm not saying what they did as a peer group was right, but I am saying he gave them a safe place to explore who they thought they were. He kept, he kept control of his quote unquote vampire family. They didn't party. They didn't do drugs. They didn't drink.
01:16:49
Speaker
They hung out in cemeteries at an old tree. They licked each other's boo-boos. And they were a family. They respected each other. They had mutual consent for anything they did. They didn't hurt other people. They didn't hurt each other. He filled a need in those kids. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he was 100% right in what he did. But I'm saying, in this situation, he was best case scenario. If my kid ended up wanting to be a vampire,
01:17:16
Speaker
And and went down that path. I want a kid like him to step in and at least keep them safe. And that's what he did.
01:17:24
Speaker
Do you know what I mean?
Rod's Escalating Issues and New Clan
01:17:25
Speaker
Yeah, I do know what you mean. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying. Knowing you the way that I know you. Oh, I'm a hover parent. Your kid's not going to go down that path, and that's what I'm trying to say. Correct. Okay. It's intervention at an early age to tell somebody. But not everybody has good parents. I know that. I know that. And you know what? I feel like this kid came, he might not come from a stellar background.
01:17:48
Speaker
But he came from a background that had morals and values instilled in him that he instilled in those around him. Correct. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. That's what I say. I don't feel like he's the villain of this story. I feel like, and we'll get more on him. And I was not trying to make him out to be the villain. I was just simply saying, like, you have kids coming out and they're self-harming and nobody knows what they're doing. And that's what bothers me. How does the school not know? How does the parents not know?
01:18:16
Speaker
How does you know what I'm saying? I agree with that. That's that's the thing that drives me. Yes, I agree. Knocking foot. But in all in all just real world, you're 14, 15, six year old is going to do things you don't know about. And I hope that there's someone in there that says, hey, don't be stupid.
01:18:32
Speaker
You want to try this? Try it, but don't be stupid. We're not illegal stuff. I would agree. We're not. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's my. But my. No, I'm not even going to go there because that's my own personal opinion on what age a kid is reliable. OK. And that's just me. That's me. They say the human mind doesn't develop till they're 25. Yeah. These kids are 15. So they're young. So anyway, back to the story. I'm sorry, guys. You're fine. We got we got, you know, whatever. Well.
01:19:02
Speaker
Rod slash the saga, if you can imagine. You know, he started to see himself kind of outgrowing this vampire family, if you will. Basically, because he didn't want to obey the rules. And basically, because he had nobody to hold him accountable. Well, he didn't he didn't want to listen to them. He one of one of. He was shown his last day. He was shown his whole life. He didn't have to. You we don't hurt humans. Rod didn't want to follow that. He wanted to hurt because he don't care.
01:19:30
Speaker
So he says he saw himself as an antichrist figure, and he was above others in the rules. How does it always go there? I don't know, because it's like the big bad. So he went along with Stephen slash Jane's vampire family. But as his home life got worse, he got darker, and he started getting into drugs, namely acid, LSD, crank. And in his own words, he got very out of control.
01:20:00
Speaker
So shortly after this, an example of one of his out of control, which, trigger warning, fast forward for like three minutes if you don't want to hear animal. But the vampire family, Rod slash Pasago, Steven slash Jayden, a couple of the vampire clan are walking down the street one day, one night, and they pass the kitten.
01:20:23
Speaker
And Rod slash the saga picks down picks up to get in these kind of playing with it. And I'll know where like grabs it by its neck breaks its next by slanted up against along killing this kitten. No one in. You would never see it. You'd never see it coming. They were not happy like he was. We do not hurt anything like they are. They were very naturalistic kind of in that way. Like, you know, I call him the room. Like in other words, if you want to be a vampire, that's totally fine. But we're not going to like. Yeah.
01:20:53
Speaker
We're not going to go to a substantial level where we're murdering anything. So, yeah. So shortly after this, Jaden and Visago got in a really bad fistfight. So at this point, Rod and Jaden got in a really bad fistfight. And I find it funny because on the document, I keep want to say documentary documentary.
01:21:18
Speaker
a high watch um steven slash jayden is like it wasn't really a fight i picked him up by his neck and threw him across the room like mr billy okay so i was just gonna say like clearly he was a substantially a large human or very substantially strong either way or he's just you know making himself out to be like
01:21:39
Speaker
I'm King crap, which is the way I took it. Then they go to Rod slash Visago and interview him. And he's like, it wasn't really a fight. He picked me up by my neck and threw me across the room. So, so it wasn't a fight, but, um, Jaden at this point banished Rob slash Visago from the vampire family and basically said, you're not following our rules. You're,
01:22:03
Speaker
You're it's just not going to work. You have to go. Right. Which is fine with Rod. So I go because he's a 500 year old vampire and he's going to start his own family. Oh, my God. OK. Well, it's not the safe place that Stephen slash Dayton made it. So Rod started collecting his own little group of teenagers, which would be.
01:22:24
Speaker
They were classified as kind of unfortunately, misfortunate background. Sorry, they were classified as having misfortunate background. So like the island of misfit toys. Yeah, basically. Yeah. So his first member was Michael Shafer, then Dana Cooper, Scott Cooper, Charity. And all these kids were about 16 years old. One of them, I believe it was Scott Cooper was 19, but everybody else was 15, 16. And all these kids orbiting around him,
01:22:53
Speaker
didn't they were from unfortunate backgrounds parents probably didn't care weren't checking up on them they didn't have anybody to fit into so they all started their own vampire clan right so it's like all rules yes yeah no real rules no actually because he was the saga was the sire of all these new vampires and we already know his mo right so they made a his mo would be a giant tool yes so they made a vampire den hangout area
01:23:23
Speaker
if you will, in this abandoned house, which is located in the lands between the lakes, Kentucky. It's since been torn down, but I have some pictures of it from back in the day. It was, I mean, it was a super sketch, like stone old house that's like gutted and abandoned. But across the door, like on the big, like where you'd enter and like the stone or wood, it literally says the vampire hotel. And this is where they'd meet and they'd throw parties and they'd do their rituals.
01:23:53
Speaker
Um, which were said to have satanic, um, elements to it. Now I can see it both ways because this is like Bible belt area, anything outside of the norm of, you know, Christian Southern Baptist is probably satanic, but Rod himself has already said he has a santana Bible.
01:24:15
Speaker
He's in the necromancy. He's got upside down crosses. So probably did have these things like around the vampire hotel. Was there sacrifices being made? I don't know yet. Okay. But either way, they're up to no good, obviously, but clearly I'm telling you a story about him. So these are the main kids for the rest of the story. Um, as rod and this little group of like four other people in his new vampire family. So in October of 1996, rod and his little vampire brethren,
01:24:44
Speaker
Broken to a local animal shelter. Trigger warning again. They killed two puppies and they released all the other animals from their kennels. I find it particularly cruel that they left them in the animal shelter. Like they didn't release them. Like they gave them a taste of freedom. Basically let them run around the building until people got there the next day. Right. Like almost like, hey, let's see if they slaughter each other. You gotta release them. Release them.
01:25:12
Speaker
But who would release puppies into the wild? They can't. Well, they really saw the animal. All right. Yep. All the animals. The sheriff at the time did a release, did release a statement that while the investigation was ongoing due to the way the animals were dealt with, there was an indication of a cult activity. The two puppies who were killed.
01:25:37
Speaker
but they obviously went straight to Rod slash Visago and he said, you're just pinning on me because we're different. This was a rival vampire clan, not us. So they didn't really get in trouble for it. Cause it was, they didn't have like concrete proof that his, his family did it, but everybody knew they did it type of deal. Small town, Kentucky. So in Rod's family, he participated or he led in the quote unquote joining ritual.
01:26:06
Speaker
For his clan would involve new members drinking the blood of the saga directly from his arm, which he would cut. And due to his 500 years of vampire lineage, it would allow this new person to become a vampire. This is what I tell his people, his disciples. Right. So this kid should clearly have been in therapy like years ago. He should have been taken from his mother when he was a child and been given to a different family. Yes. Right.
01:26:36
Speaker
Um, well, our, our taxpayer dollars though, they go to a lot of really great things that are not necessary. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, rod ended up meeting a girl by the name of Heather Wendor. She was 14. He's I'm sorry. She was 15. He was 15 or 16. Um, and when there's two stories, I've read it both ways that she had just moved to town.
01:27:04
Speaker
and he met her when she was new and that she lived in Eustace, Florida, where he came from. And she was friends with like a mutual friend and just came to visit. Often the knot that you hear that she moved to Murray, Kentucky for a little bit, that she became very close friends. Heather supposedly confided in Rod slash Rosago that her father was abusive to her.
01:27:32
Speaker
Now, side note, and I think it's important to state this. What type of abuse was not specified? Was it verbal, sexual, physical, never said just that he was abusive? More importantly, and I know that this isn't always an indication of anything, but there's no history or proof that this story is true. There's no, and that's what I said. I know that it's not an indication,
01:28:01
Speaker
Well, I just want to say like this is what he said in a teenage frame of mind. OK, when you're literally like, I mean, we we did a story about the girl who killed her mom. Right. Yeah. And.
01:28:21
Speaker
There was really no basis for the murder. But here's my thing. It's all about your perception of what abuse is. Correct. And that is, you know. But Heather never said this. He literally. Rod said Heather told him this. Gotcha. OK. All right. Continue. Sorry. That's why I say it's an important distinction. I was only simply saying that the teenage mind is going to go just about wherever you want it to go. Yeah, pretty much. They're going to justify what their actions are.
01:28:51
Speaker
So eventually Heather and her family either went back to Florida or moved back to Florida. And by eventually, I mean, it was under a year. So they went back to Eustace, Florida, but the saga and Heather stayed in touch.
01:29:05
Speaker
daily phone calls because there was no texting back in the day. Right. And they racked up hundreds of dollars of long distance fees because that was, you know, long distance was no joke back in the day. No, it's like a buck a minute. Yeah. So you spend. Yeah. So hundreds of dollars like the bills were verified. Heather's family eventually put a stop to this and took her phone away and made her cut all contact with the saga.
01:29:32
Speaker
Now, again, a side note, this is purely speculative on my part. You can look at it two ways. A, they didn't want to fork over continual $100 of long distance fees. Yeah, so they said you're done. I personally like to think
01:29:45
Speaker
They saw what kind of influence he was on her. And they were being good parents saying, you're not talking to this boy anymore. Give me your phone. You're done. It's over. Right. Because that's what I would do as a parent. Absolutely. My parents did to me several times. Yeah. So I
The Violent Rescue and Its Aftermath
01:30:02
Speaker
just like to think that that's how it went. We don't know. But.
01:30:07
Speaker
Regardless, whether it was because the bill is too high or they were sick of their influence, the saga was pissed and not a normal 15 year old boy pissed. He's a 500 year old vampire pissed. That's so just. Oh, all right. Yep. Yep. Yep. So he gathers his clan, his little family together and tells them we are going to go rescue Heather from her family in Florida. And then we're all moving into New Orleans.
01:30:37
Speaker
Because, you know, vampires. New Orleans. I got to tell you, if you want to live an alternative lifestyle, New Orleans is where to go. They accept everybody. Yeah. It don't matter what you think you are, what you as long as you, you know, like to have a good time and you stay within your lanes, you're accepted in New Orleans. Like it don't matter. I know. Just the way it is. Well, all right. So now we have this kid.
01:31:08
Speaker
Yeah. Whose parents said no go. Right. Yeah. We're not we're not doing this. We're cutting off contact. Right. Correct. And so we have this boy who's all like I'm a 500 year old vampire, but I'm like, what, 16, 15, 16. Right. And is he about to travel? Yeah. With a bunch of other 16 year olds. How does that happen? Hey, mom, we're going to go camping for the weekend. They're not going to tell you. They're just going to leave like.
01:31:36
Speaker
His mom doesn't care. Probably wouldn't even notice them. We don't know, but we do know what some of their other parents are. We'll get to that, but you just leave. How do runaways happen all the time? It's not like you tell them, Hey, I'm going to run away tomorrow at 6 PM. Yeah, but those people will report. My kid left. We'll get there. So November 25th, 1996, this vampire family made their way from Kentucky to Florida.
01:32:06
Speaker
Rod, in every interview, sorry, my throat is really dry. Hold on one second. I'll edit this out. No, that's fine. I'm just sitting here thinking like Tennessee to Florida, like just to the Georgia line. What, eight hours? I don't know. You just drove it. You told me. It's like eight hours. Yeah. And then to get anywhere into Florida. Yeah. Like on a beach side, you're looking at 10, 11 hours. And you've taken the drive for me from here to Louisiana. You know that drive. Yeah. It's a long drive.
01:32:36
Speaker
Yeah. So like you have 15, 16. How did they get there? I don't know. They stole a car. I don't know. We'll get there. There was one 19 year old, probably his car if I had to guess. All right. All right. That makes sense. So they, every time Rod talks to anybody like reporters or anything after everything has said and done, he stresses that this was just a rescue mission. No one was supposed to get hurt. They were not planning on hurt anyone.
01:33:03
Speaker
They were going to go rescue Heather from her quote unquote abusive father. And they were going to head off into the sun to New Orleans. And that was the plan. Right. Keep that in mind. This is a rescue mission only. They're not setting out to hurt anybody. Right. Rescue. Right. So they get there. They do rescue Heather and they take off. Unfortunately, their car breaks down pretty rapidly.
01:33:34
Speaker
Because it's a, it's a kid's car. It's probably not well maintained. I know my car was like, it wasn't talk a truck or I don't know. Was it they, they, the car broke down. They're stuck. Okay. They don't know what to do. They're in Florida. Not part of the plan. So Heather says, I'll make a deal with you to the saga slash rod. She would go home to her house. They were close enough for her to walk back. She would unlock her door.
01:34:02
Speaker
and give him the keys to her family's car for him to go steal and they can make the way to New Orleans. But he had to make her a vampire first through the turning ritual or she would not help him steal her family's car. Oh my gosh. She's a 15 year old girl. That's brainwash. Oh yeah. No, she's it's 15 year rebelling and she just had a really
01:34:32
Speaker
bad outlet to rebellion. Everybody. I'm sorry. That's not a justification for me. Not even a little bit. I'm not saying it's a justification. I'm just saying all teenagers go against their parents at some point, but she just had a really bad influence where she could go as bad as she wanted to against her parents type of deal. We'll get into Heather in a minute. I have very mixed feelings. Okay. So Rob, like I said, very emphatic. They only plan to steal the car. Now,
01:35:02
Speaker
Rod slash Baltimore. The saga. Got it. What do you think at her house this car was located, Lisa? The garage. Right? Right. Do you think it was in the living room? No. Do you think it was in the house at all? Not so much. In the garage, which had a door from the garage to the house. Or even just the driveway. Right. You were right. It was in the garage.
01:35:29
Speaker
Back up, early that morning, they go to the cemetery before he goes to her house. Why? So, um, Rod could turn Heather with the turning ritual. In the cemetery. Yep. Always in the cemetery. This is like that true blood kind of thing where they, you have to bury them for a day or? No, it's just where they, he stole it from Jayden slash Steve. They went to the old cemetery with the old tree. So they went to the cemetery.
01:35:54
Speaker
in Florida and Rod took in here to do it, do it right at least. Right. Come on. On Rod's words, he took a significant. Edward had to at least suck the venom out of her neck. Right. Rod took in his words, a significant amount of LSD. I bet they did not feel any pain like Bella did in Twilight. I'm done. Yeah, I know. I know. He took a bunch of LSD, took a razor blade to his arm for Heather to drink the blood and turn.
01:36:21
Speaker
So Heather was in the middle of becoming her true vampiric self. So she stays in the cemetery with Dana and Charity to complete her transition period. While Scott and Rod- How long did that take? I don't, you know, they didn't give. I guess it's a closely guarded secret. They did not give those details. Well, yeah. I mean, it's so real life that- Yeah. Yeah. But Scott and Rod go off to the Windorf house to steal a car. So- Windorf. Windorf.
01:36:49
Speaker
It kind of sounds like Lord of the Rings. I know. But it's all right. I'm sorry. So the cars in the garage like we just hit on and they had keys for it. But for some reason, even though Rod is emphatic that they are just going to steal the car, they don't want to hurt anybody for some random unknown crazy reason, he goes into the house and.
01:37:15
Speaker
Heather's father is asleep on the couch. Right. Rod slash the saga magically has a crowbar in his hand. I, you know, I bet that's kind of one of those vampirian things, like maybe Thor kind of the hammer. We're like, yeah, like he just reaches out to him.
01:37:34
Speaker
But yeah, so he's got, even though he's not going to hurt anybody, just a rescue mission, enters the house, finds her dad asleep on the couch, has a crowbar on his hands. Random crowbar. And just happens to slip and fall and hit her sleeping father in the head and face 22 times with a crowbar on accident. He must be really uncoordinated for that to be. Right. How do you say 22 times you weren't blending on hurting anybody? Um, well,
01:38:04
Speaker
Was there like an ice patch there because I've seen some
Legal Repercussions and Justice Debates
01:38:07
Speaker
people do some weird things on a slick of ice, right? I'm doubting it because there's maybe no, maybe, maybe that the LSD made him think he was on a sheet of ice. Right. Well, maybe mom. Sorry, I could go on. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Thank you. Heather's mom was in the kitchen.
01:38:29
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making a cup of coffee, and here's the attack, and comes running into the living room holding her cup of coffee, sees what's happening, so using the only thing she has, takes her hot cup of coffee and throws it in the saga's face. Thank you. Now, this pisses him off, he's furious, and he says, which proves everything he said is a lie, because he said he actually had no intentions of hurting her mother,
01:39:00
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But he was so angry at her. You had so you had intentions of you have basically what you're saying is he accidentally killed the dad that he wanted to kill. Right. Yeah. And he had the mom retaliated in fashion. Right. He was so mad that he literally claimed that she wasn't the target. Yeah. So he he beat her in the head with the crowbar and kills her as well.
01:39:29
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And because they're vampires, once both of the parents are dead, their heads are bashed in. Brutally. Yeah. And bleeding a lot. They because they're vampires, they dance around the dead bodies. Well, no, that doesn't make any sense. That's not no. None of the vampires on Buffy. Yeah, no, not even Edward. They see blood and they're like, oh, my God, let me eat this. Nope. They dance around the dead bodies of her parents.
01:39:55
Speaker
Right. That that to me sounds more like a Wiccan kind of that sounds to me like a little punk kids. Yeah, they're douchebags. Yeah. Yeah. So they go back to days. They still the families ford. I think it was an explorer. They go back to the cemetery to pick up the girls. Now, mind you, Heather does not know her hands or mind you. She doesn't. They stole a bunch of stuff from the house. They steal the car. They go pick up the girls and they take off to New Orleans.
01:40:25
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leaving her younger sister to walk in later and find her parents. How young? I it never said, but her sister walked in. Well, she was 15. Younger could be 14, 13. Yep. Walked in. My God. My parents like that. Yep. I'm sorry, but I'm going to go ahead and just say for the record, I feel no remorse, nor do I regret anything that I said previously about this case. Yeah.
01:40:55
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Let's continue on. So the kids make their way to New Orleans and they're staying at the local Hojo. Howard Johnson, for those of you who don't know. Hojo party. Yep. Yep. But they're out of money. Right. Because, you know, at 15, 16 years old, they'll have money. Right. So charity tells them, listen, I'll call my grandmother. She won't tell anybody. Yeah. It's one of the girls that was with Heather in the transition. Right. OK. Yep.
01:41:21
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She says, I'll call my grandmother, I'll call my grandmother and she'll wire us money. We'll be okay. So she calls her grandmother and says, Hey, this is where we are. We're out of money. We need money. Her grandmother says, okay, tell me exactly where you're at. Tell me where you're at. Gets all the details. Says, okay, stay put. I'm going to wire you money. Please tell me. Grandmother hangs up, dials 911 and says, hello.
01:41:44
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My 16-year-old granddaughter is gone. She's been responded to New Orleans. This is where she's at. And the police officers pick them up pretty much same day.
01:41:55
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So as the police officers are going through this Ford and you know what? Can I just like to say straight up? Thank you, grandma. Yeah, because you know what? She didn't know what what was her name? Charity. Charity. She didn't know what she was involved in. She didn't care at that point. No, she did. She knew what was going on. She knew something was wrong and she and she called the popo. She didn't make excuses. She just I mean, I'm sure down the line, she probably said she's
01:42:22
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Caught up with a bad crowd blah blah, but she didn't she doesn't matter at that point. It doesn't matter So the police get there and they go through the car. They find a bloodstain bed sheet Half people say it is from Heather's. I mean you can go down the the reddit rabbit hole and Different podcasts that have done this different documentaries No one really it never really says what the bloodstain sheet comes from half people kind of think it came from Heather's parents
01:42:48
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half people think it's from their turning rituals and their blood drinking rituals. We're not really sure. Well, here's the deal though. If they really wanted to release that information. They could. They could. They could do. Well, and DNA tests, even now. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like it doesn't matter what, at what point, I mean, how many, how many cases have we seen overturned? Yeah. From the, you know, twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, whatever for DNA.
01:43:12
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So they also find an Anne Rice novel. Queen of the Dam vampire book. They find a Dracula novel. Right. A spell book that allows them to conjure demons in the dead. And then, you know. Vampire staple. Right. Just normal, normal things. Movies. Lion King in Latin.
01:43:37
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Well, you know, they did kill Mufasa. I feel like it was just a family vehicle, but I just find it really random that it was listed out, Lion King and Aladdin. Aladdin is a great movie and should not be besmirched by the story. Agreed. It was probably just in the family's vehicle and that's why I was family.
01:43:55
Speaker
Anyway. Oh my goodness. So when they first caught, when they first interviewed Rod and co, Rod slash Wasago tells the police that they're being framed by a rival gang of vampires. Right. Yeah. You know, there's so many of them. Yeah. Yeah. Eventually he does plead guilty. He is sentenced to death becoming the youngest person that was on death row in the state of Florida for two years. Um,
01:44:22
Speaker
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you telling me that a jury and a judge of your peers did not believe that you were a vampire and that this was all part of the vampire lifestyle? Correct.
01:44:40
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OK, just wanted to check. OK, good. They did eventually overturn his sentence. Really? They made it into a life sentence only because the laws changed. And due to him being a minor when he was convicted. They said that minors couldn't be sentenced to death anymore. So but it is a life with no no possibility for parole.
01:45:03
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Steve, I'm sorry, not Steve, that's the other vampire. Yes, father. Michael, who was with Rod at the Windorf's house, was originally given life in prison, but that was commuted to 40 years because his actual involvement in the murders is unknown and Rod's own testimony on the murders. He said multiple times that Michael tried to calm him down and get him to stop and he wouldn't listen to him.
01:45:32
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So just in like all his interviews and all, he kept saying, you know, Michael kept telling me to stop. I was in a frenzy. I was too far gone. So they commuted Steve down to 40 years. He won an appeal. Charity and Dana. They were both in the cemetery with Heather the entire time, right? All accounts. That's what they said. All stories, everything.
01:45:58
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Charity was given two counts of third degree murder and robbery and sentenced to 10.2 years in prison. Dana got 17 years in prison. I'm not sure why they got different sentences and quite frankly, I'm not sure why they were sentenced when they weren't there, I guess just because guilty by association. Here's the thing I have a hard time with, which will be a talking point. Heather was not charged with anything.
01:46:28
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Oh, okay. So this is why I have a hard time with it. And it's 50 50 kind of like how we talked about earlier. We, you know, she says that she doesn't know. She just wanted Rod to save her. She wanted to run away. She wanted to be part of this vampire family, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? Right. The other part of it is testament, like people that were interviewed for the documentaries said that she was a very Gothic girl. She carried a Barbie around by a noose, like
01:46:59
Speaker
lynching the Barbie, right? But they're also that's an attention seeking. They're also stories that she told Rod that her father was abusive and she said, come kill me or come get me and kill my family so we can be together forever. They're funny enough, not funny enough, but there's a story in Canada very similar to this. He was a 400 year old werewolf, though.
01:47:26
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totally different. Right. Yeah, totally. But the girl was 14. And he had some mental delays, like they didn't really say he had a very low IQ, the 400 year old werewolf did, right. And they were in a relationship. And long story short, her family was very like Catholic, she went to Catholic school. She like was this great kid growing up at 14. She kind of just went a little cray cray.
01:47:52
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start dressing all black started worshiping Satan quote unquote started acting out met this 400 year old vampire who was really like a 22 year old guy werewolf or Sorry werewolf. Yeah, but she Talked him into killing her family so they could run away together like they have all the text They have all the drawings that she drew out. She actually killed her younger brother and bragged about it but she got this guy who is gullible and
01:48:19
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To kill her family for her so they could run away and I see a lot of similarities in this story. So just to say that she had absolutely no idea what his intentions were didn't know and she got off scot-free just rubs me the wrong way. Well.
01:48:38
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And I also I think I didn't have a chance. All right. So based on what you had said, yeah, she gave her the basically the ins and outs of her house. Right. Yeah. She and the keys. And yeah, she to steal the vehicle. Yeah. Right. Unlock the doors. But she also said she doesn't lock the doors to the house. Right. But here's the deal. There are three sides to every story. Yours, minding the truth. Correct. OK. My problem is always going to lie.
01:49:08
Speaker
At what point do you rip your kids away from imaginary? But they- And real- No. They tried to. No. Her parents tried to. Her parents cut off all contact. Clearly not. And yet- She's still gotten- No, here's the deal. And I'm not gonna say that anything- Because you know what guys? Shit happens. Yeah. And there's nothing- She could've used a friggin payphone. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
01:49:39
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But. Just the fact that she got away scot free. But you don't know. You don't know. I just have a I have this gut feeling. But a gut feeling is not all people in a jury, right? They didn't even charge her. Exactly. It's not that the jury said that she was innocent. She was never charged. But in my mind, who's the rat? Her. Yeah.
01:50:06
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She got a deal. We already said it. Yeah. 100 times. I can see that. You had your guys that died for no reason over a rat. So and here's just another play by play. Let me tell you. Remember, I told you at the beginning, I'm going to tell you why his mom's a great piece of crap. Yes, I said shit. So about a year after this trial. His mom. Was arrested.
01:50:36
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and put on probation. Let me go back up in my notes to save the mom. Um, on probation in Kentucky for trying to entice a 14 year old boy into a sex act with her.
01:50:51
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while they did a ritual together drinking each other's blood so they could both become vampires. There's letters she wrote sexually telling this little boy a 14 year old little boy but she wanted to do him sexually as they drank from each other's neck so she could
Systemic Failures and Responsibility
01:51:10
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become a vampire.
01:51:11
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multiple letters his parents found and turned her in. So you remember earlier in the show when I said taxpayer dollars. Yeah. Right. And how many like just stupid ass things. Yeah. That they're willing to put tax dollars into. Yeah. This is kind of what I'm talking about. OK. Like I worked guys I worked in the daycare for a long long long time. And I cannot tell you how many times I called DHS not because
01:51:42
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Uh, it wasn't vindictive. It wasn't anything, but like to help people, like these kids, these kids were clearly, clearly neglected. Clearly like the stories they would tell us what they found in the stories that we told them that were true.
01:52:02
Speaker
These kids stayed with their parents, okay? But we are so fundamentally willing to fund things like, I don't know, a presidential election. These people will make millions a year, okay? Frickin'
01:52:20
Speaker
Just any any political whatever okay, so our tax dollars get spewed into things that we don't care about Okay, I never know war in Russia the you know yeah, we had to get no money now I'm all yeah buy an oil From other countries when we could just do it ourselves the pipeline that Biden shut down exactly no no guys I am NOT getting political on you right now. I'm just telling you a simple fact Yes, she is that your tax dollars are being spent on shit
01:52:50
Speaker
You're getting political. That does not matter. 100% political. OK, fine. It's political. But what I'm saying is, they don't care about people. No, these kids that we called DHS on, they went right back to their family. Now, here's my thing. That's my thing. How many times did somebody call? Or possibly? You don't even know. You don't even know. Here's my thing. And this is purely 100% speculation. I couldn't find anything in the research.
01:53:20
Speaker
But his mom's the one that introduced him to vampires, right? Correct. He thought he was a 500 year old vampire when he met Steven slash Dayton, right? Correct. A year after his murder trial, it comes out that his mom is propositioning a 14 year old boy for them to drink each other's blood to become vampires. Correct. What'd she do to her son while she was on drugs and he was in the custody? Amen. Amen. Absolutely. So. Not even that, but here's my deal. OK. I'm not done.
01:53:49
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Go ahead. I don't want any more. Don't touch me. We're not going back to tax dollars again. We don't know. I'm not not even close, but not even close. Like there were a lot of rod tried to say his grandfather sexually abused him when he was a boy and passed him along to his friends. His grandfather said how many abuse victims have you said that deferred to somebody else?
01:54:09
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His father emphatically says that never happened. But that's my thing. I think he was stuck with his mom. His grandparents wouldn't take him. So he blamed the grandfather for what the mom did. I think this kid was abused. I think he had no roots. He had no one that actually cared for him. Yeah. I think that his grandparents probably loved him, but not enough to step in. So he was probably treated like an inconvenience. Yeah. Because they are sick of their daughter's crap.
01:54:38
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They didn't want to be bothered with him. Yeah. Obviously they didn't report him. I think she abused that kid because why else would you think you're a 500 year old vampire? Your mom introduced you to vampires. Your mom's preying on adolescent boys after you've been convicted of murder, trying to get them to have sex with her and drink blood with her. So they can both become vampires. So how did, how did the saga become the saga in the first place?
01:55:02
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Exactly, his mother. But again, like I said, that's all spent. Now it's 100% speculation, but in his defense, not that anything he did is excusable, but if he was abused as a boy,
01:55:18
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You don't know what she let her druggy friends do to him. You don't know what she did to him. You don't know what rituals he was put through as a child. You don't know what abuse he encountered. So when he finds a girl, he legitimately, quote unquote, loves her life. And she says, my father's abusing me?
01:55:36
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What would you do to protect that person? Exactly. Because he's lived through it. He knows her pain. And he lashed out in the only way he knew to make it stop. No one made it stop for him. I'm not excusing him. But I'm saying if his mom truly abused him, I can see him saying the only way to save her is to kill. That's why he had no intentions of killing her mom. Her mom wasn't at fault. Her dad was the abuser, quote unquote.
01:56:02
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So he went to kill the dad because he knew that pain and he wanted it to stop. I'm just saying it's a it's a I can see all that play out that way. Right. Do you know what I mean? Yes. But I'm going to say, but his mom from the opposite, his mom's opposite spectrum. Yeah. OK. Where we right now, 2022, right, we live in a generation where if you make the mistake and I've heard it,
01:56:31
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from family members in Massachusetts where. If you say I got in trouble at school and you accidentally say my dad's going to kill me, they literally called DCS. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, my here's my question. OK, these were kids that were self mutilating.
01:56:52
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Yeah. OK. So you're telling me we don't know. No, no, no. In the dead of summer. Yeah. Wearing long sleeve shirts to hide it or maybe not hiding it at all. No. My question. OK. And my absolute just full on opinion. Mm hmm. Why are we not training teachers how to because we don't have an abuse assistance in the United States? We don't care.
01:57:23
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No, it's not that we don't care. It's just that the money could go, like, to a bridge. We just don't fund it. We'll fund every other cost. We're not going to fund it. No, we'll. But not mental health. Yeah. Our taxpayer dollars will spend money on just about anything that don't have went right back to it. I know. You did. You did. I said no more taxpayer dollars. All right. Fine. But what I'm saying is there are so many resources out there not funded to help people.
01:57:53
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But who's going to help these kids? That's the point. They didn't have like Rod's group. That's why I said at the beginning when you were so down on Steve, Steven slash Jayden.
01:58:05
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I feel like he, like, while I don't agree with his choices, he kept his kids safe. Correct. And like they interviewed him and he said, he said, it makes me really sad that he made these decisions. He said, if she was being abused, I could see why he would step in to save his chosen family members. Right. Okay. But here's the deal. But that doesn't make what he did right. No. And that's what Steven slash Jayden said. No, no, no. That's Jayden's opinion on a vampire ish.
01:58:34
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type of, not confirmation, but reality. Okay, but we're girls, we're girls. Correct. If in high school, let's say you had a friend, Sally Sue, you guys are best friends, she's at your house all the time, right? Correct. And she starts coming over with bruises. Right. And she ends up confiding to you
01:59:02
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Let's say you're a junior in high school, that her father is physically or sexually abusing her. But Heather didn't have any of that. That's what she told Rod, though. No. Told Rod. You said she came to school with physical bruises. What if your friend Sally Sue? We're just saying. OK. Your friend Sally Sue, whether she has bruises or not, she let's say no bruises. She tells you my father sexually abusing me. OK. What would your brothers have done to her father?
01:59:33
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Well... Yeah? No, no. For starters... They'd beat the tar out of them. No, we did all kinds of shit when we were kids.
01:59:43
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These are 15 year old kids. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the children. I am talking about the adults. The adults in the street don't give a crap. That's the point. That's the point that I'm trying to drive across. You can't make bad parents choose to be good parents. No, it's not just parents. It's the school systems. None of them care. Exactly. They're overworked. They have too many students. Again. No money. Again. They have no resources. Again.
02:00:09
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over and over you said don't say TD I will no because yes I will point it's not it is a moot point because you're not going to get the tax dollars to go to mental health period not mental health our school systems are anything exactly the thing they're not going to do it because the school systems aren't equipped to deal with it all they can do is report it and the cops aren't going to do anything
02:00:31
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Because guess what? Again. There's not enough foster parents. No. There's not enough group home. No. There's nowhere to put these kids. And they know. And then the show of the people that are willing to do it. Right. Unless you have a 45 kids. Absolutely. Day every day a week. And then what happened to your cousin? Yeah. Right. She was a good woman. He had a great mom that took her away, took him away from my awful uncle.
02:00:57
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No, I'm talking about your cousin. Oh, yeah. Who had tried to adopt a newborn foster and it was yet. And if she adopts, she was just a foster. It was yank because she brought him to too many doctors visits. You're not. That's my point. You keep saying the school needs to do anything. The school does not have the resources to do anything. Your tax dollars aren't. I am not talking to take money away from the pad. They're part of what I'm saying.
02:01:24
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Okay. Just rhyme or reason, whatever you want to think. Yeah. There is not enough income coming into the people that matter. No. Okay. You already said it. No, stop. Stop. You said it yourself. Teachers don't get paid enough.
02:01:44
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And they don't have the resources. They can't do anything. Not even all they can do is report it. OK, but and again, I'll say stupid tax dollars. Right. I have to I have to pay to go over a bridge. Yeah. Right. I have to pay my income tax. I have to pay that social security in a fixed row. Exactly. That's not going to change. You know what's going to change? More people become eligible to foster parents and have a spot for these kids.
02:02:14
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I would agree, I would agree, 110%. Because quite frankly, you're not, like, that's why he's saying- But here's the problem, here's the problem. You're not gonna change it. Here's the problem. Yeah. Okay. I can register right now to be a foster parent. That doesn't mean jack crap. No, it's not that. It doesn't mean jack crap if they're not willing to take a kid from an abusive crappy ass home
02:02:35
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Correct. But if they do, where are they going to put them right now? There's not enough home. There's not enough beds. There's not enough places. You know what, Faith? Honest to God. Honest to God. With some of these kids, it would be better for them to sit in a fucking orphanage.
02:02:51
Speaker
There's not enough beds. Then it would be. You know what? Even if they- Google how many orphages are in the state of Tennessee. Okay, good. No, that's great. That's great. Okay. So you have a kid that's being raped every single day of his life? Okay. You have a kid that's being mutilated. Syrrhad burns. Who gives a shit if he's sleeping on the floor? Because there's nowhere to watch them.
02:03:11
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Faith, again. I'm telling you. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No. Three abuse victims. No. All three of them were very physically abused, very mentally handicapped because of said abuse. When they got the oldest one, he was four and had a bald spot where he'd never gotten up from a playpen. Yeah. He had cigarette burns all over him. Yeah. And you know why he finally got taken from his parents? Because they put him in a microwave to warm him up. Exactly.
02:03:39
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Friggin points, but there was someone there saying I'll take him If they didn't say that there was nowhere else for him to go I don't care if he sleeps in a cardboard box in California has to be someone to watch him. They can't send him across state lines. That's not my point My point is the circumstances I wish they live
02:04:02
Speaker
could not possibly be any worse than any orphanage. But it's not logical. It's not a reasonable solution. So then what's your solution? Kill them? No. My solution is people need to get off their butts and do better. Exactly. But yeah, we can't expect anybody to parent up.
02:04:21
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We can't expect any of these people, okay, to actually literally consider someone else other than themself. That's not true. There's a lot of good people and they don't know how to do it and they don't. A lot of people stick their heads in the sand. There are a lot of people that do a lot as they have 51 house. Right. Okay. But I also knew a very decent couple. Okay. Mom went off the deep end. Yeah. Dad fought his ass off for these kids. Yeah.
02:04:50
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Okay. They're not going to take away from the mom unless the mom's hurting. Exactly. But here's the deal. Mom did. Yeah. For a very long time. Mom was leaving this eight year old and ten year old at home by themselves. Yeah.
02:05:06
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Dad wanted them. I'm not. I'm not saying it's a good system. I'm but I'm saying, you know, it's a shit system. But there's not going to be a man back and forth with any of this because the simple fact is because you want a logical solution. There's not going to ever be world exactly.
02:05:24
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It is unlocked. It's completely a lot of change. No, you can't put kids in cardboard boxes and ship them the other. That's not what I was saying. I was saying that the circumstances in which some of these kids live, they would be better off. That is not. But you have to you still have to keep them within a ratio. Only one person can one person can only watch so many kids.
02:05:49
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logic. No, I agree with that. But at the same time, are you trying to tell me that it's OK to like? No, I'm
Call to Action for Community Involvement
02:05:55
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not. But people also stick their head in their sounds and mind their own business. How many times does a teacher who is burned out, overworked, overstressed, has way too many kids sees the mark or the blues or the whatever and they just think they probably got her on the playground. Not my business. I'm not stepping in. I'm not going to do anything. You said the key word.
02:06:19
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burnt out. I again worked with children for a long time. I knew when I was burnt out. Yeah.
02:06:28
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you quit quit find something work at Walmart okay okay work at Walmart yeah no I will say work at Walmart because they're making almost as much working at Walmart now yeah you can go anywhere now make like over $20 an hour it's what I'm saying but like Faith I'm not trying to be a dick I'm just trying to say
02:06:49
Speaker
that there there's always going to be a negative no matter what you choose especially when it comes to a kid's life what i'm saying is logical solutions we have to do better you want you want you want it to change
02:07:04
Speaker
Write your congressman. Check and see what the people you vote for are going to put their money towards. Right. Check and see how many foster care, foster agencies or foster homes there are in your region. Check and see how many orphanages there are. See if they need someone to come help read books. Come help fold clothes, wash clothes, donate clothes. You don't have to, if you don't have the space or the resources to be a foster parent, that's fine. Not everybody's
02:07:30
Speaker
fit to be a parent. Not everybody wants to be a parent. Yeah, you got 10 minutes for knowing it. Frickin' go for it. But you, you know, like our church does, there's an inner city school that has a very high dropout rate. Very, very low income families go there. And we have people every single week, every single day that go in there and do an hour of reading with those elementary kids to help them read, give the teachers a break. Because you know what? Good teachers are hard to come by and they get tired.
02:08:00
Speaker
OK, so help out. So what you're saying is you can have a belief, right? And you can scream and yell on social media, but until you enact something to help, like you're useless. Yeah. All you are is a mouthpiece and it makes no difference. Exactly. And and I mean, quite frankly, I say do some research on your politicians you're going to vote for, but tax dollars, like I said, tax dollars aren't going to change. They don't give a crap.
02:08:30
Speaker
No, everything is going to go toward the same. Yeah. It's always about how to better build the community in their point of mind. Right. Yeah. It's not about the younger generation. It's not about the older generation. Right. It's not about mental health. It's not about that resources. It's not about runaways. How about not even close unplanned teen pregnancy. That's like my favorite thing right there is you're like teen runaway. Oh, she probably ran away at 14. She's a runaway.
02:08:59
Speaker
OK, why? No, I don't care why. My question is my 14 year old ran away and you're not going to do anything for 24 hours. Not not every state is like that anymore. Sure. You don't have to give a 24 hour notice. But the problem is these kids that are running away, let's say eight out of 10 of them, their parents don't even notice for the first week and don't really give a crap afterwards. Right.
02:09:26
Speaker
Can I tell you how many parents looking out for that used to pick up at the daycare in the they didn't even hug their kids when they saw them. OK, not only did they not even hug their kids when they saw them. OK, they literally handed them their tablet, put them in the backseat of the car and ignored everything. Now, is it so hard to look at your kid and say, hey, how was your day? No, because you're the most important person in your world. Absolutely.
02:09:52
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which goes back to the root of all of the problems that we've talked about tonight. Indeed. And so, you know what, guys? This took a really... It did. Dark turn. Dark turn. Okay? This is so... I like it better when you're not involved in my story if you just sat there and watched the dolphin show. Well, you know...
02:10:09
Speaker
Sometimes I have an opinion and it's not a popular sometimes Sometimes I really do keep my mouth shut when it comes to your podcast I'm not gonna lie. I have to just kind of like just zip it and lock it of every time you've talked like it's maxing out I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but it gets me pissed and I'm like
02:10:31
Speaker
Like, guys, you know, you can hate me for the opinions that I say, but you cannot honestly sit here and tell me that you haven't agreed with at least one thing. Well, here's the deal.
02:10:44
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online Lisa and I disagree a lot a lot if you can't tell yeah and even when we do agree we'll fight the other side just did not agree with each other exactly yeah yeah we sharpen our skills on each other literally literally but hey go back and forth about abortion we can go back and forth about
02:11:03
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at freaking criminal activities of what's the slaughter? What is whole nine yards? We can argue anything. Yeah. Somebody committing manslaughter, which is literally we're going to argue. Absolutely. Because all the time. Yeah. But we can still be friends and have different opinions.
02:11:21
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Well, maybe not. I do this because you asked me to. That's why I can cut you out at any time. Good. Good. Good. Good. Do hours in 12 minutes. Do it with 45 minute podcasts. If you haven't been screaming tax dollars, tax dollars, tax dollars all time. Do me a favor. Record two episodes without me. OK.
02:11:44
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And tell me that it's more fun with any of your other. I don't have any other for it. Oh, in law. And they're not in true crime. You have Sheena. She's not in a true crime. I don't know anybody else like to crime like you do. We're the only morbid souls. I know it's not morbid. It's just like fascinating to really pick apart somebody else's mind in like I told you about it. Yeah. And argue about it basically.
02:12:13
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So anyway, we're way over. Way. We got four more episodes to record this week. Balls. Because I'm going out next week and. And I couldn't handle one episode. So, yeah. While I was gone. So well, anyways, we're done. Hope you enjoyed the story and Lisa's political opinions, because now we're apparently a true climb plus political talk. Shut up. It's not like that.
02:12:43
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Anyway, if you have opinions or comments you'd like to say, because I'm sure this episode might spark a few. All of our, all of our, all of our outreaches are in the show notes, but we've got Twisted Tails, truecrimeatgmail.com. We've got Facebook. There'll be a link in the comments. We've got Instagram. There'll be a link in the comments. I'm going to post some stuff. Do me a favor. If you send us an email, address it directly.
02:13:09
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to me Lisa say Lisa we don't here's my question hashtag Lisa sucks hashtag Lisa will respond and be very pleasant she will not she's never been pleasant a day in her life I'll tell you that right now unless you get her on the condo overlooking the ocean then she's quiet as a mouse
02:13:34
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And she decided to see what a stove looks like. Hashtag. 50 million times. Yeah, right. At least. So anyway, we will talk at you people another time. I'm going to try to drop this tonight. We'll see. And Lisa's got a piece. I got a piece. Have a great night. Peace. Bye.