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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - New Hampshire & New Jersey
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Well not all trips, even in summer are fun and these two stops are the perfect example of that.
TRIGGER WARNINGS - abuse against a child is talked about in New Hampshire
New Hampshire (4:40 - 1:16:05) Faith takes us on a horrific stop in Freemont New Hampshire with a cast of unredeemable monsters. There are so many reasons why this story is truly, truly upsetting but the root cause of listening to this story is so important!
New Jersey (1:16:05 - 1:39:24) Lisa takes us on a sad trip that lists out multiple victims names, stories, and horrific endings that span almost 20 years. This is just the tip of the iceberg on what we will discover from this horrific serial killer.
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Transcript
Introduction and Life Updates
00:00:05
Speaker
Well, hello again. This is Faith. This is Lisa. And you've tuned in for another episode of Twisted Tales. I'm not sure why. Me neither. Probably because we dropped the ball and only recorded once last week. But... Life sucks then you die. I'm super into myself so I totally see why you would come back.
00:00:27
Speaker
True. We're amazing. Yes. Life has hit Lisa and I hard at work because we both have full-time jobs because we like to be able to eat. We do. We do. And it's the laundry clothes. That's right. And, you know, just just got away from us. So not going to lie. The kids might come storming out here any minute now. They want to go swim.
00:00:49
Speaker
You know what? I can already hear them screaming. Life happens. There you go. Let's all just roll with it. Kind of it is, is, is what it is. Any, any, uh, before we get started, do you have any lake meetup dates? Nothing yet. Okay.
California Water Crisis Solutions
00:01:03
Speaker
Nothing yet. I meant to look today, but I actually literally sat there cause we were having a conversation, uh, when I walked in this morning with some of the guys that I work with and they were talking about how, and I don't know if you've heard about this was telling us that California is having like a really, really,
00:01:18
Speaker
hard hit right now. Like droughts and stuff they always do. They're literally just like running out of water and so they're talking about running a pipeline from California to Mississippi. Now I have not had a chance to like look this all the way up but yeah I don't find the information to be faulty. Like he's kind of a news guy and you know just looks at the updates and all that jazz. Right right. But I'm just sitting here thinking like how can you run out of water when you're next to the ocean? Would you not just find a way to purify ocean water?
00:01:46
Speaker
I don't know. It may not because I asked them or asked him that and he goes, no, that's too expensive. Like, you know, somebody sitting in the audience and they're like, you dummy, dummy. But I'm sitting here like it's illegal in the state of Tennessee. I don't know if it is in California, but I know in most places it's illegal to collect rainwater. So you literally could just put out. But it's also the hula hoop in Nevada. So people don't follow the laws. People don't. I'm just saying they could collect rainwater
00:02:17
Speaker
Right? You'd
Lake Mead Mysteries and Sonar Technology
00:02:18
Speaker
think so. But they, you know, 10 bucks on some, you know, plastic bins for rainwater or a couple hundred million dollars running a pipeline. Which that's not a quick solution. Like that doesn't get you water anytime this, this decade or whatever. Not even a little bit. Huh? Interesting. Anyways, it was just a weird, it was a weird thing. And cause I actually brought up the, the Lake Mead thing and I said, you know, have you guys heard about what's going on in Lake Mead?
00:02:42
Speaker
And most of the guys said, no, this guy was like, Oh, absolutely. I said, so you've heard about all the dead bodies. And he's like, yeah. And I was like, dude, I did like an entire podcast on that. I said, I couldn't help myself. Like so mob related, very, very just weird. Like, Oh yeah. Cause what they did was they were running out of the water on, I don't remember what the other one was, but they put.
00:03:04
Speaker
have one back into Lake Mead. So it's rescinding. I feel like if there's a body of water around old school mobsters, we should just drain that crap and see what's down there. Yeah. How many like old school missing? Or just do like a quick drag, you know, like just get some nets in there. Yeah. Or like we've got sonar now. Just see what's down there. We can find megalodons for shark week. We didn't, you know, I feel like that's a lot of missing cases solved.
New Hampshire Story Setup
00:03:31
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Bam, bam, bam.
00:03:31
Speaker
I was by myself watching Shark Week last night, started going off on a little tire. I get to love Shark Week. Started going off on a tire. And I'm like, we have all of this super cool, awesome stuff in 2022, like just tiny, like pill sized intelligence that can go into smartphones or whatever. Right. And you can't put a sonar down there to warn people that something larger than three feet is in the water right now. Like, I don't know. I'm sorry, guys. I don't know. It's weird. Whatever.
00:04:01
Speaker
I don't get in the lake or the ocean. I don't get in either. I love it, though. I love getting in the ocean. I love getting into the lakes. I don't. Unless the alligators keep coming up. I don't really want to swim much after that. Nope. All right. Well, we're going to jump off tonight. We are not rock, paper, scissoring it, even though we're together. No, I ruined it for everyone. So as per usual, Lisa sucks. No, Lisa's awesome. So Faith is going to start us out tonight in the great state of New Hampshire.
00:04:31
Speaker
Which is not like, do you know what their, um, their like Botto is? Tom Brady's King. No, live free or die. I get that. Yeah. Well, um,
00:04:44
Speaker
I'm just going to tell you. I think that's it. My cousins live up there. If that's wrong, let me know. But I'm pretty sure that's what the license plate said. That's our motto for them. The last time I was up there. Well, I mean, our license plates say in God we trust them. That's not everybody in Tennessee's motto. So that's true. That's very true.
Introducing Steven Roy and His Household
00:05:00
Speaker
All right. Well, I am taking us to the great town of Fremont, New Hampshire. And let me tell you people. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.
00:05:12
Speaker
This story is like when I thought of the name Twisted Tales, this story encapsulates like what I envisioned like just Twisted Tales. It is the most twisted, the most horrific. I know. I don't know. I might have to disagree by the end of it because you had me really, really hard on that one with the dude that was dead for like 100 years.
00:05:33
Speaker
Oh, that one was good. Oh such a good one. Dude. This one is not twisted like that. Like, you know, like, ooh, tell me that one still kind of keeps me up at night. Like they were selling at that guy. Yeah, that. I don't know if you guys heard that. Mr. McCurdy. Yes. What state was that so that people can go back and oh my gosh, that was one of my favorite ones. McCurdy was.
00:05:54
Speaker
main it was main okay yeah so it's towards the beginning yeah sorry i brought that up but that one like i don't know when you said the most twisted i was like there's no way it gets better than that this one is just okay so i usually don't do trigger warnings okay because we're a true crime podcast so if you're listening it's gonna be murder mayhem death gore yeah it's pretty explorable people
00:06:16
Speaker
the nine just not do end up going maybe just a little bit over that line. Yeah, we feel like we need to warn somebody because if it grosses us out, you're probably gonna be uncomfortable. It does not gross. This one is not gonna. Well, yeah, no, these are despicable human beings. Okay. Number one. Number two.
00:06:35
Speaker
There are instances where we talk about children in this one. We are going to talk about, in my opinion, so far, some of the worst parents I've ever heard of. States, horrible. Juries, not the jury, but the law system, horrible. Like everybody in this situation, horrible.
00:06:58
Speaker
Like, just horrible faith. It's when she's giving out trigger warnings. I swear she's doing it just for me. It is. It is. Because she knows how I feel about anything that has to do with children. Well, and this one's really like this one. This like, just when you think you can't get matter that the story continues and you're like, what? All right, let me so
00:07:19
Speaker
The one swear word per podcast, which we adopted from gruesome. Yes. You're going to want to save it. When you think you want to use it, you don't because Wows up like that. Anyway, so let's get started. So I'm taking us not all the way in the way back machine, but we're going to be in 1992. Now I'm going to give us a little bit of history, go into the case. Then we're going to kind of go back in time. Like we're going to kind of skip around some, but we're going to tell you as it kind of unfolded.
00:07:47
Speaker
Well, I always end up asking like the dumbest question ever because I miss something. So don't sit. No, I'm just. OK, your case, not not mine. No, no, no, no. No, your incompetence needs no words. We are all aware. Oh, there are no words for your. I'm surrounded by it. I am surrounded by it. Oh, it matches your shirt. It does. How cute. All right. So we're in the bulk of the stories in 1992. So that's where we're at. So let me let me give you the first
00:08:17
Speaker
cast to characters we are dealing with here. Oh my friends. So we have got Steven Roy. He is a 37 year old man who lives in New Hampshire. He owns and operates his own software business out of his basement, which is I guess a step above him owning and doing a software business out of his mama's basement. But it's called the wizard software.
00:08:45
Speaker
And there's nothing magical happening in that basement, just beachy dubs, a little bit of a spoiler alert there. So that's where he is. We also have Maria Zarati, and that is Steven's girlfriend who lives with him. She is originally from Florida, moved to New Hampshire with Steven, not sure how they met, not important. And she is the mother of his two children. We also have Joanna Kozak, who is their living babysitter.
00:09:13
Speaker
She is 38 years old. And basically Joanna needed a place to stay. And so Stephen said, hey, you can come live with us. How did they know her? Oh, we'll get there. Oh, sorry. You don't want to know. I always jump ahead. You'll wish that you could take back that question when I tell you.
00:09:33
Speaker
So, um, basically Joanna needed a place to stay and Stephen was like, Hey, you can come live with us and, um, you know, you can basically be like,
00:09:45
Speaker
Our person like you can kind of be the receptionist for wizard software and you can be the gopher you can go to groceries you can watch the two children they have two children kind of like an au pair somebody just kind of does the whole deal but she's an adult right right and um from all like there's there's not like a ton of information about this case like I couldn't even find a picture of these people just to bt dubs
00:10:07
Speaker
And i looked i looked and looked but it doesn't seem like maria the girlfriend knew steve was gonna ask joanna to come live with them. Oh that's that's that's cute so you know you have got sure they were really happy about that right so.
00:10:24
Speaker
Like you just said, not too long after Joanna moved in, strife sets in between the two women. Surprise, surprise. I'm just telling you, the stress of living with someone like in a normal, like just in a relationship is stressful. Your brother throws his dirty clothes in the floor next to the wall. The hamper is within like spitting distance. Yet let's just pile the clothes right there. I've been in your house.
00:10:50
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I've got my issues too. You've got some corks as well. But that's what I'm saying. It's hard to live with people. I do. But with someone you don't really want anyone to go upstairs to my bedroom right now. It's embarrassing. But that's people that you choose to live with. Someone you didn't really choose to live with that's not your family. Right. Like there's going to be some issues. Like a dorm mate. Right. Yeah.
00:11:12
Speaker
There's also, you know, some whispers, some rumors, some, you know, innuendos, if you will, that Steven is boinking Joanna. Well, naturally. Kozak. Naturally. So
Joanna's Murder and Aftermath
00:11:27
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there's that. There's this possible affair that could be going on.
00:11:31
Speaker
More importantly, in my mind, or disgustingly, or mind boggling why this isn't the issue. Just, uh, Dwayne is living with them because she is a fugitive. She is a wanted woman. Okay. Um, she is on the run from authorities in Virginia. Want to take a gander, what she has been charged with and what she's running from the law for. Just take a guess. Just take a guess. Child abuse.
00:11:58
Speaker
Ding, ding, ding! Are you serious? I won? What do I get? She is wanted for sexually assaulting the one-year-old daughter of Stephen, Roy, and Maria Zarate. The people they just moved in with. That they said, come watch my kids. The little... Um, okay. Uh, all right. No, no, no. Rewind. Re-wind. So how do they know her, you ask?
00:12:20
Speaker
She sexually assaulted their one and a half year old daughter. She's running from the law from those charges and they said, hey, come be a living nanny with our two small children and be our gopher. The guy whose child was sexually assaulted at one and a half years old said, hey, come live with us. And be the kids living nanny. Are they related? No. He's blinking her.
00:12:47
Speaker
Why would you want it? Why would you want to point the lady that sexually assaulted your one and a half year old daughter? Worst parents ever. Oh, yes. Yes. But, you know, and again, I'm sure she was innocent. Right. Innocent to proven guilt. Yeah. Yeah. Look at me like that.
00:13:03
Speaker
Yeah. People are stupid and naive sometimes. They're the ones that press charges against her. What? Okay. So this didn't happen at like a daycare scenario. Okay. They press charges. Well, I was trying to give them some kind of benefit. There's no benefit of that. None.
00:13:19
Speaker
So that's where we are. That's how they knew her. I told you you'd be sorry, you asked. So apparently she was set for trial on the sexual assault charges in Virginia, which she skipped town running to Vermont, where apparently Steven decided to assist her in hiding from the cops by giving her a place to live. So she assaulted them in Vermont. In Virginia. Virginia. And they moved to Vermont.
00:13:41
Speaker
as you feel that's what yes not her the family the family and then she fled to Vermont yes and he said well we're moving to we're moving to doors but to New Hampshire and what better place to hide from the cops than the family whose child you molested i feel like in my version of this i've been like yeah exactly yeah come stay yeah come hang out with us
00:14:05
Speaker
Oh yeah I got it. As a matter of fact I have a very special special pillow for you. Oh right right. I know it seems heavy and it might look like a rock. You know I'm saying I can keep going guys. Special sinus clearing. So that's where we're at. Special sinus clearing. Just lay it on your face and kind of drop it a few times. It's gonna really clean those sides. It's better than any breathe right strip you've ever had. Swear.
00:14:28
Speaker
So that's where we are like that's the beginning of this story, okay So that's a quick background on what we're discussing there's one more character I want to introduce to you we have Charles Kelly who goes by CJ Which is another misfit Steve invites to live with his family and be an employee of wizard software
00:14:56
Speaker
Um, just to do odd jobs with wizard software and you know, he is an ex-con and he just got out of prison in Massachusetts, uh, for raping a woman.
00:15:08
Speaker
but I guess this time it wasn't his one and a half year old daughter, so that's a step up for these two. Right, because who cares about his wife, right? I mean, at this point, it is kind of a step up from Kozak, but this is the cast of characters we have in this literally true story, which I wish it wasn't. I still, I don't have the magic capacity at the moment to wrap my head around this. There are no words.
00:15:33
Speaker
So main story starts in. I bet this has a really happy ending, guys. Don't hold your breath. So main story starts on a balmy summer day of June 27th, 1992. Steve and Joanna leave the house to go on a little dirt bike ride for the afternoon because that's what 40 year olds do when they're hard at work at Wizard Software. So that that day later, they go on this little. Wait, wait, wait.
00:16:03
Speaker
Steve was dad and Joanna was the molester. Yes. So they go out on this bike ride later that day, couple hours later, Steve comes back, but Joanna's not with him. So Maria is cooking dinner, whatever in the home. And she's like, hey, where's Joanna? And Steve's like, she's gone. Like she packed a bag. She didn't want to say anything. She didn't want anybody to get upset.
00:16:25
Speaker
But she, she's on the run again. Like she just, she's heard some whispers. She thinks the cops are getting close to her and she peaced out like a dropped her off. She's gone. And so did Steve do the right thing and just kill her from molesting her. You're giving Steve a lot of credit for being a decent human being. Sorry.
00:16:43
Speaker
Um, I'm so sorry. I did not also mean that killing a molester was the right thing to do. I should probably backtrack that statement. I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it like that. You did. Yeah. So one and a half year old, I'm sorry. There is just gotta be a special place in hell. I could apologize.
00:17:00
Speaker
I will not but and here's the deal. I don't really here's here's another trigger warning I was gonna give at the beginning there are Through this case these nobody I have mentioned yet is a good person. They are all horrible people Anger through the roof actually to leave like a couple times to come back to this because I was furious And typically I will never victim shame and how you grieve for the victim
00:17:28
Speaker
that you knew, your family member, that's on you. You wanna forgive them, forgive them. You want to see them fried. I support however you need to greet. You do you. I will not be so kind this episode, and if it makes you mad, I'm sorry, but if you sexually abuse a one and a half year old child, you deserve, yeah, there's nothing you do not deserve that's horrible. So anyway, back to our story. So,
00:17:57
Speaker
Joanna is on the runt again from the cops again still want a person so a couple months go by and Maria, you know every once in a while just brings up to See CJ the the other ex-con rapist that lives with him and Steve Steven and she's like adult rapists. Yes. Yeah, she's like I can't believe
00:18:17
Speaker
She just left. Like, she still has stuff here. And then, you know, they'd all be sitting there eating dinner. She'd be like, you know, I just can't believe she hasn't even called. Like, there's no postcard, no nothing. Like, I can't believe that you give a crap about this woman. I was just going to say that. Like, why do you care? Because you haven't been like good frickin' rittens. I hope you get hit by a car. There's forgiveness. But if you hurt my, like, if you hurt my child's feelings, I'm going to be hard pressed not to punch you in the teeth. But a couple of cases of that here recently.
00:18:45
Speaker
you. Oh, it's like there I will even if I find it in my heart after a lot of prayer and years to forgive you, I will never forget and you will never be allowed around me ever again. I honestly say like I think I'd be willing to just do the times. Yeah. 100% 100% besides the fact that I want to leave my child by herself. So anyway, but so I got a good village. Yeah, they'll understand.
00:19:13
Speaker
So, you know, Maria just keeps asking, like, I mean, she saw stuff here. There's no postcard. You think she'd call like it's super grateful. We gave her a place to stay. And so Steve finally is sick of her, her nagging basically. And he's like, you know what? Fine. I bludgeoned her to death in the woods.
00:19:30
Speaker
Just like that, like sitting there around the dinner table, CJ, the Rottie and Steven. He's like, you know what? I'm thinking you bringing her up. She's dead. I killed her. Then in the story, only she got hers. So maybe not for the right reasons, but okay. So Steve goes on to tell Maria that the day they went on their little dirt bike ride, he took
00:19:55
Speaker
Kozak to an isolated cemetery in Raymond, which is the town next to where they live in Fremont and He killed her and he buried there there in this abandoned cemetery and disposed of all her belongings and CJ over there helped me so Maria Zoradi Sticks around for a little while because at this point like he's a crazy person and he's a murderer and you know, I
00:20:23
Speaker
She's probably a little afraid of them. I would assume although this woman's mental faculties aren't there for me, but whatever However in October 1992 she finally decides She's got to leave Steve Steven. He's not safe. She's scared So she does she goes to the Manchester Airport and she's ready to fly away leaving Steven and
00:20:48
Speaker
and the adult rapist, CJ Kelly, and her two children. No, I was just going to ask that. Where are the kids? With the murderer who asked his daughter, rapist, to move in with them, left her kids with Batman, mother of the... Any time I feel like I'm being a bad mom, I'm going to pay myself to this piece of crap and be like, oh, literally, I'm the mother of the year.
00:21:10
Speaker
literally like you deserve a medal they're both under four they're both four or five at this point and you left them with this person you don't feel like just me for a mom I'm sorry guys I don't care what you think whatever I don't care what wild oats you need to so in my personal opinion I have had my son
00:21:30
Speaker
He is my responsibility. And while I can still have fun in my life, the biggest fun I get is to watch him experience life. So for any mom to pick up and just walk away from their kid. Because she feels like she's in a bad situation with a dangerous man, but leads her to young children. I'm talking in general. I know, but I'm talking about more, more ridiculous. This is way worse. I told you this, this story just gets increasingly angry. So while at the airport, she decides, you know what? I got to call the cops.
00:22:00
Speaker
And I got to tell him what happened to Kozak. So she calls the Epping Police Department, which is a town again near where they live and reports. Hey, there's a body in this abandoned cemetery right around here. That's it. Doesn't give any names, doesn't say anybody, but just reports it to the Epping Police.
00:22:15
Speaker
About a month goes by and the FBI contacts her wanting information because there's some extenuating circumstances we'll get into. It all makes sense in a minute. But Joanna Kozak, the molester nanny who's now dead, was a fugitive who crossed state lines. So the FBI are allowed to be involved, right? There we go. And because there are a lot of extenuating circumstances, they're involved. We'll get to that here in a minute.
Steven's Crimes Unveiled
00:22:42
Speaker
But the FBI calls Maria.
00:22:45
Speaker
Zarate and they have some questions summary basically tells them everything that Steve told her the day of the murder Or when he admitted to the murder, right? So the full recap is Steven told Maria and CJ together That he killed Kozak after they had sex in the cemetery. So recap just just in case anyone is lost Okay, we didn't hear the first the sex part. Yeah He had sex with a woman who he invited to live with them who is wanted by the law and
00:23:12
Speaker
for sexually molesting his one year old daughter. Ooh. There is no response. I'm just, just let it marinate. These people should have the reproductive organs removed. So Steven told her, he asked Joanna to have sex with him in it in the graveyard when they were on their bike ride.
00:23:32
Speaker
And she said, yeah, sure. So he said, get down on your stomach. And he handcuffed Kozak's hands behind her back. And then he pulled her stockings down her legs, but did not remove them all the way. So she couldn't like get up and run or, you know, they're like around her, her knees, basically tying her knees together, but not tying them, you know? Um,
00:23:53
Speaker
But that way she couldn't get up. And as she lay faced on the ground ready to have sex with this horrible human in the cemetery, he hit her in the head with a bar from a weight set. I'm not sure how the bar got there.
00:24:06
Speaker
It's in an abandoned cemetery. Was it planted? I don't. There's no there's no there. That's a story. That's the only thing I can think. That's what he told them. So after hitting her head, after hitting her in the head, he then put the bar over her throat and stood on both sides of the bar until she stopped breathing. Now it is an abandoned cemetery. So kids could have gone there to like, it could have been like a party spot. One of the podcasts I listened to said it could have been like a party spot, like where kids go to drink and hang out.
00:24:36
Speaker
some dumb jock could have brought the like the bar or the pipe or whatever you know but that's how i've highly dealt that i feel like it was probably intentionally done probably probably left there
00:24:48
Speaker
Yeah but so that's so after you know tying her down to have sex and what she does have sex with her while she's alive or after not not specified but clonks her over the head with this pipe this bar then puts it on her neck and stands on both sides till she's dead. Suffocate. Yeah so Kozak's body was left undiscovered for six months and buried in the cemetery because who's gonna go looking for a dead body in a cemetery? That's where they're supposed to be. Right. Plus she's a fugitive so everybody's looking for her but you know
00:25:18
Speaker
A lot. Right. Her body was finally found in December of 1992. Remember, Maria left in October 1992. So there's a little bit of some time lapse. There's a time gap. Yeah. So when her body was found, she had no fingertips. Those had all been removed. And the autopsy showed the method of death was blunt force trauma and strangulation. OK. So it was intentional again. Correct.
00:25:45
Speaker
Um, and, and, and he told, he told him he murdered her. Like it, it's not like, Oh, we knew she, we knew she was murdered. Right. We know Stephen murder. So March 16th, 1993, um, CJ Kelly is pulled in by the police to get his story on what happened because when Zoradi told them, you know, it was Steve told me and CJ were sitting there that, you know, he killed, here's the details of the murder, right? So the police want to get his side and what he has to say, uh, which CJ is.
00:26:14
Speaker
the one that was in jail Massachusetts for raping a woman. And he told them Stephen Roy killed Joanna Kozak and basically affirmed and verbatim everything Maria Zarrati already said right. He said he did. Now we're in 93 though. I'm sorry we're still we're still in 1992.
00:26:31
Speaker
No, no, no, no, we're 93. You said her body was found in 19 in December, 1992. So did she not give names when she know that's my bad. Sorry. So he tells the police and the FBI, he did help bury the body. But, you know, it's not like Steven gave him an option like, hey, do you want to help me? He was told to do it. So he did. He's indebted to Steven Roy because he's an ex con who's now being allowed to live here and have a job. And so, you know,
00:27:02
Speaker
Yeah, gotta do what you gotta do. Plus, I mean, again, I couldn't find pictures, so we don't know the stature of these people. Um, so Steven could have been bigger than CJ. I don't know. I just don't, like, I just don't find it normal for a human being to not really and truly weigh the option. Oh, well, you know, I mean, to be.
00:27:23
Speaker
We have no passive. Well, like that, like he asked me to bury a corpse. So I did. Yeah. But when when CJ's indicted on his role in disposing of the body and during his affidavit and testimony, everything else, the shit just hit the fan, if you will. OK. So we'll get into that. So you might be wondering why an ex-con who assisted in a felony murder coverup was so easy to find in question by the cops, the FBI. Like if you're all right, you just got out of jail not even a year ago. Yeah. You've helped.
00:27:53
Speaker
cover up a murder. Right. So if the cops call you, are you just going to be like, oh, yeah, I'll come in for questioning. Are you going to hit the brick? I will just come in for questioning if I was innocent. Well, he did help dispose of a body, which is what he said. So well, the deal is, is he was easy to find because he was already being held in jail in Massachusetts.
00:28:14
Speaker
on separate charges of sexually assaulting a 30 year old woman. Oh, there you go again. There you go. So he wasn't trying to be a decent human being. No, no, no, no. We were just like, oh, where can I find the plea bargain here? Well, the lady, the 30 year old lady that he was in jail for sexually assaulting.
00:28:32
Speaker
was actually the lady who was hired by Steven Roy to be the new nanny of his kids. I told you just when you think it just, we're not even to the worst parts yet. But you said a cuss word and now I feel like I can't. I said shit that is a curse. I've already had my mental breakdowns on this case. So here we are.
00:28:53
Speaker
So CJ told the FBI basically the same story Maria told them already about Stephen killing Kozak. He said that Stephen told him and Maria that, quote unquote, Kozak presented a problem for him. So he had to get so he had to get rid of her. So that's why he killed her after Stephen told him that he took that he took CJ to the graveyard to show him where Kozak's body was still there and said, you're going to help me barrier. So.
00:29:17
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CJ also informed them that after she had been in the ground dead for a few weeks, so Zach, Stephen decided they needed to go back and zoom the body and cut off her fingertips. That way, if they ever found the body, they couldn't fingerprint her because her fingerprints were in the system because she was a felon for molesting his one and a half year old daughter. We're in the 90s now, though, like there's still DNA. She still has a face, bro. Teeth, records. There's lots of things. This is just wow.
00:29:47
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Yeah, this this is anyway, I feel like they're at like a third grade reading level at this point. Oh, well, the only thing that I can think of. I'm sorry. That was really wow. That was messed up. That was that was right. That was rude. Stephen also covered the ground they buried her in and pepper. So animals wouldn't dig her up.
00:30:04
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Hey guys, I'm going to get my essential oils out real quick. No animals dig because pepper doesn't, you know, it's not in nature and super deterrent. One of the podcasts I was listening to, they're like, oh, well, they didn't want to make the raccoon sneeze. And if the raccoons, I would like that. Who needs acid? We have pepper, right? Who needs acid when you have this kind of mindset? I'm talking about the drug, not the disintegrating acid. Like this is this guy's mindset.
00:30:32
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OK, so the law, the police officers and FBI are like discussing everything in theories behind it. You know, they're trying to figure everything out. And the biggest question is, did Stephen kill Joanne in retribution for sexually molesting his daughter? Right. Fair question. Like you would think, but I mean, I feel like that'd be like a normal response to a parent being angry about something. Well, you know, and in my mind, if that was actually the reason he killed Kozak,
00:31:00
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i've learned too much about him to know at this point that like he's just kind of a tool it would you know it would redeem these horrible people like one percent in my mind but don't get too excited that there's any redemption to be had so that theory was quickly ruled out by the police uh you want to know why oh enlighten me please just take a wild guess it was ruled out by the cops because
00:31:25
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I don't know, man. No DNA. No. Oh, she didn't have fingertips. Was that it? No, the why he killed her. Why he killed her. It was ruled out because he he killed her over the kids. I don't know. Well, why would they rule that? I mean, I feel like that's a strong friggin motive. Right. Well, it was ruled out because Roy was charged in awaiting trial currently for forgery.
00:31:51
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possession of a firearm because he's a felon, which we'll get to. Right. Roy, but Steve, Steve, Stephen Roy. Sorry. Roy says last name, Stephen Roy. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Stephen Roy, um, is awaiting trial for forgery possession of firearm. He's a felon. He can't have those and, uh, raping his four year old daughter, very same one that Joanne was accused of sexually assaulting when she was one.
00:32:16
Speaker
So that's why it wasn't restitution because he's legitimately the worst person. So I'm just going to continue because I'm going to let you marinate. Um, also BT dubs. Uh, this is not Steven's first time being charged with sexually abusive and aggregate sexually aggressive behavior. Remember I mentioned that he's a felon. He wasn't allowed to have the firearm.
00:32:39
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Back in 1979, 13 years before this cluster train wreck, Roy was living in Connecticut where he spent six months in jail after being convicted in a court of law. Convicted.
00:32:56
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a sexually assaulting and tying an 11 year old boy to a tree. Convicted. And he was sentenced with, did you catch what I said? Six months in jail. Convicted. Not a question. Took an 11 year old boy, raped him, tied him to a tree, caught, convicted, six months in jail. How? And then some woman out there was like, oh my God. Let's have babies. He is a rock star.
00:33:26
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Father material. Father material. I have a comment that I want to say. Yeah, because we're yeah. Yeah, I know. I know. You keep telling me it's gonna get worse. So shut up. Let me backtrack to why everyone's in jail because when the FBI called Maria and Stephen Roy and CJ Kelly are already in jail. So how did all that happen? So new character on the scene. Oh, yay. Donna Blackburn.
00:33:50
Speaker
She's a 30 year old woman who was hired to be the new nanny. Cause you know, Stephen Roy has a vacancy in the living nanny department, right? Um, because he murdered the other one and their mother left the children with these two dick bags. Um, neither here nor there. I just pretty much hate every single person in the story. So Donna Blackburn. Um, it's not long after that she started watching the kids that she basically became afraid for her life because she is a good person. She's a normal person.
00:34:20
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um so she she's watching these kids and finally like breaks down calls her best friend freaking out has no idea what to do.
00:34:30
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um what she's lived through here recently what she's seen she doesn't even she she has no idea what to do so here's what happened this is what she tells her friend Stephen Roy and CJ Kelly handcuffed her to a staircase and threatened her with a gun she'd also been approached multiple times for sexual favors by both Stephen Roy and CJ Kelly she always refused obviously um but neither of them gave up and continually harassed her on this front because
00:34:59
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No doesn't mean no to these two, obviously. When she would refuse, they would continue to, in her words, brag about their prowess in the BDSM category, the different experience they had in BDSM, the equipment they had that they could tie her up if she'd enjoy that. They could use it on her. So, BDSM, explain for people that don't know.
00:35:26
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Bondage, I should have looked that up. I mean, I know the principle. It's the, it's the, yeah, S&M say this mask is kind of the dominance. And you know, Hey, that's your team. More power to you. As long as it's safe and consensual and saying, saying safe and consensual is what they say. But these two men, let's just go ahead and say are not safe. They are not sane and they don't care about consent. So.
00:35:53
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Uh, anyway, they, they, uh, have all this equipment and this experience and they could use it on her. She'd like that and she's into it. And they went to great detail bragging about things they could do to, again, gag. So it all came to a head, uh, November 12th, she walks in and, um, Blackburn witnesses Steven Roy raping his four year old daughter. Um, there's a scalpel involved in this at some point.
00:36:23
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Being held by Steven used against his his four-year-old daughter and his five-year-old son is in the same room watching what though so And I'm sorry, but I just that's what happened and I I kept that as clean and tidy as I could there
00:36:38
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November 13th, the very next day, CJ Kelly, once again. So the woman walked in on this. Yes. And at no point. We're going to get there. And so, I mean, you have to, she has been harassed, threatened, guns held to her head, handcuffed. And she's still there. Because she loves, she's afraid for these kids. And if she leaves, grab them and go or call them. Yeah.
00:37:03
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call the cops. So after she walks it on this, the next day on November 13th, CJ Kelly, once again, handcuffs her to the staircase and proceeds to beat her with a long leather strap. And like you, like I said, you might be wondering why the 13th, the day after she walked on that horrible scene, um, why she was still there, but we'll go into depth in it. But in her testimony, basically she didn't want to leave these kids. She was trying to get them out without anyone getting killed. I understand that.
00:37:33
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So she's telling her friend all this and she's like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what my options are. If the police show up, they've got guns. They're going to kill the kids. They're not her biological children. So she doesn't live there. Wow. So she can't just take the kids. She's like up the creek. Right. She's just trying to do the best she can in a really crappy situation. So her friend that she calls gets off the phone with her and calls the police, which kudos to you unnamed friend.
00:38:01
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which is how all this originally got started. So all those extenuating circumstances that I talked to, these are that. Her friend heard this house of horrors and said, 911. Here's my emergency. So the cops started to investigate on the testimony of the friend and then traced it back to Blackburn.
00:38:23
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And then they got in contact with Maria and she told them all about the body and they found out about Kozak that way. So it started out there investigating these claims on this woman who's been terrorized and abused and these children who, good God, what they've had to see that we don't even know about. And then they find out about the body
Police Raid and Trial
00:38:41
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and everything else kind of snowballs for the police.
00:38:44
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The police are trying to make a case against Stephen Roy, so they do a complete background check on him. Some of it we've already talked about, but I want to go through this. This is where they found about the 1979 sexual assault against the 11-year-old little boy. Shouldn't have been out of jail. Shouldn't have only gotten six months. Shame on you, court system, because he was convicted. It was not a question. He was convicted. Also, in 1986, he was arrested for kidnapping two children.
00:39:13
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new to the story um from their mother's house in Connecticut and pled guilty but uh these were his children and the mother had custody because she left his crazy self but okay stop game off game off
00:39:28
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Here's a dude that's been convicted already of child's inappropriateness. He raped a child and tied him to a tree. Then took his own children without his mother's consent. Kid stole them from her house.
00:39:43
Speaker
And they're like, oh, well, he's the dad. Oh, knowing that this guy is. Yeah, because it wasn't even 10 years late. It wasn't even 10 years between these two. So I'm sure he changed. Right. Well, side note, six months. Well, he was rehabilitated. Sadly, you're so on point because he pled guilty to the kidnapping of the kids. But his sentence for this kidnapping, he pled guilty. No contest was just a suspended sentence. So no jail time. And it's, you know,
00:40:13
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He stepped up this time because he was just kidnapping his own kids. So the court system basically said, well, you're doing better. You know, we're going to slap you on the wrist, but go on with your life. More of the pity because nothing else would have happened if they'd kept his slimy, rotten, diseased carcass in jail where he rightly belonged.
00:40:36
Speaker
Great, but again, I digress. So he has these two children in Virginia. The two children that he kidnapped, the state took custody of them.
00:40:46
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after the one-year-old was molested by COSAC, and these kids are still there with the state. They are wards of the state in Virginia. In 1990, he meets Maria. They moved to Fremont, and they have two new kids, because why not start over and ruin other people's lives? So January 1991, the New Hampshire Kids Service Department, like CDS or whatever it's called, right,
00:41:12
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child services is asked by the Virginia Child Service Department to go check out the residents and see if these two kids that are wards of the state of Virginia can go you know visit their dad. Why that would even be a question of you know appropriate I don't know but you know that's what they did. The New Hampshire
00:41:32
Speaker
child services goes to his house. They call Virginia and they say absolutely not. This is not a safe environment. Do not send the kids there. They do not need to have contact. This is not, no, hard, hard pass. It's not a drill. So no one knows why mixed up and pay for it. People don't care. People not doing their jobs, but the kids end up going to stay for a few months. And, uh, we know what happens to them while they're there, right?
00:41:59
Speaker
Yeah. So I'm tired of your story now. Can we just end it? Shame for shame. Can we just end it? No. So Donna Blackburn, who filed charges against CJ Kelly for molestation, also testified that while she'd never met Kozak, the woman who was murdered, because obviously she got the job because Kozak was murdered, she had seen several photos of Kozak and she knew what Kozak looked like from the wallet and the photos that Steven kept up in his attic.
00:42:27
Speaker
as trophies, basically, right? So, when the police hear this, they decide they need to do a full search of the house, see what they have. Because, I mean, let's just be on it. There's no way this guy hasn't done other things. There's other trophies. There's no way, just the things we know about. It's the only atrocities that this piece of slime, gutter trash has done.
00:42:50
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She also testified that when she walked in on Stephen Roy raping his daughter, she tried to get the little girl medical attention from the scalpel injuries. But Stephen refused, not because
00:43:04
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he didn't want to get in trouble for her being raped or the injuries, but because she was too bruised along her legs and back from where he'd beaten her the previous day, the three-year-old little girl. Finally, after Kozak's body's recovered, Stephen Roy is arrested and charged. First degree murder, he's got five charges, main ones, first degree murder of
00:43:26
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Joanne Kozak, aggravated felonious sexual assault against his daughter, along with a multitude of other charges, having weapons, even though he's a felon, things like that. He is held, thankfully, without bail, and a hearing is scheduled. His lawyer states that they were going to plead not guilty, even though there's multiple eyewitnesses, right? Because they have no evidence against him. Our charges have been filed months ago. This is a he said, she said case, right?
00:43:54
Speaker
So I want to go over with you the evidence besides the eyewitnesses that I've already told you about, corroborating the stories that the police found in this house when they did a search.
00:44:05
Speaker
So there are multiple photos of sexual bondage, which again, teach their own safe, sane, consensual. He has none of those things, so it doesn't count. They also found video tapes of child pornography, which that is not pornography that is rape and it is illegal and you're piece of crap. And it's fucking disgusting. Yeah. They also found a plethora of dildos and vibrators, which is fine. Again, teach their own.
00:44:28
Speaker
He had 107 of these. Why do you need 107 dildos? Please. I guarantee you my personal theory is each one is a trophy. Because that's more than like most sex shops have. Like 107, you just have 107 different dildos. So they also found a computer disc. Because remember, he owns his own software company. A computer disc labeled killings. Plural. Killings.
00:44:53
Speaker
Well, because you know what, if you're going to commit the crime, you may as well admit to it. There's also another computer disc titled, um, actually, you know, I'll leave this one to the last. There are multiple blank Massachusetts driver's licenses, which is the only reason you'd have blank driver's licenses. If you're forging them for criminals, which he obviously likes to have around him.
00:45:13
Speaker
You know, I kind of thought at the beginning when you started this that his whole company was like a dirty. Don't you wish that's how I went? Yeah, I did wish that actually, but it's just he is just dirty. Yeah. He also has two electronic voice disguisers. Why do you need those ransom? Where else is this to make videos? He has a video camera to tell me he was selling this document in his outings.
00:45:40
Speaker
He has a pistol. He has Joanna Kozak's belongings and wallet. And last but not least, the other computer is titled How to abduct a child like a step by step tutorial. So like those books for dummies. That's what. Wow. Yeah. So let's get into trial number one, which let's be honest.
00:46:01
Speaker
This is a slam dunk trial. This is no contest. No question, right? Yeah, if he's not dead by now, this story is really going to make me angry. So the prosecutor Eldridge, which we're going to get into him in a minute. Oh, nice. Another corrupt one. I can feel it coming. No. Oh, so this is a slam dunk for him. They have eyewitnesses and Donna Blackburn. She is set to testify against Stephen Roy Ford because she walked in and saw him raping his daughter. That's what he's on top of course. First is raping of his daughter.
00:46:30
Speaker
Um, but since Donna Blackburn was also a victim and, and didn't hesitate, they didn't have to, he didn't subpoena because she was considered a friendly witness. Friendly, friendly. Like, you know, she wants to help them, but she's already moved to Kentucky and has gone through, she is again, how you grieve is how you greet, but she's been through, let's not negate the trauma that we don't know that she lived through.
00:46:56
Speaker
However, she did not show up to be a witness because, you know, she's terrified. So Roy was not convicted. Worse, he was acquitted. So therefore cannot be retried on the rape of his daughter due to double jeopardy. He got off scot-free. Oh, no, no, no. We're not done yet. I just want to tell you this process was the 90s. Yeah. I'm yelling.
00:47:24
Speaker
Yeah, sorry. So the prosecutor Carl Eldridge was historically like if you look at his record historically bad at trying rape cases, they almost never won them. And so at one point, a news reporter did like an interview with him.
00:47:43
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And this is what he stated. This is what the prosecutor for the state of New Hampshire trying these animals, prosecutor for the state of New Hampshire or the town or whatever. I didn't really get that. No, but he is the prosecutor, right? Okay. Yeah. So this is the direct statement from the prosecutor. There is a biological thing. I don't really know how to build this into the equation.
00:48:10
Speaker
When you watch the Discovery Channel and you see the deer and the elk running, part of the come on is the females resistance. So part of the come on is the females resistance. The sex drive of a male mounts and mounts and the female resist
00:48:25
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So his drive gets stronger and stronger. The quote unquote, no, no, no. It's a biological thing that that is a come on to the male. I don't know how that fits into the equation here, but we are all biological beings. So this is a complex issue. Wasn't she three?
00:48:42
Speaker
so he wasn't she three she was but he's talking about just his rape cases that he's not this case specifically when asked about all the rape cases that he's lost basically he's saying if the women would put out men wouldn't have to rape him because when they say no no no that's just part of the by that's the biology of like the elk and the deer on the discovery channel
00:49:05
Speaker
give chase and that's how we are and the no no no doesn't mean no no no and the women just need to put out and men wouldn't have to rape them basically in a nutshell that's what I took from the prosecutor's statement onto a published newspaper yeah yeah there's no words so child number two comes about and it's held October 26 1993 with Maria Zarate being the main witness for the defense on the murder against Joanna Cusack
00:49:34
Speaker
CJ Kelly was also a witness and he was giving an immunity for this part of the crime, burying the body only. Not the sexual assault against Blackfirm, just assisting and burying the body for his testimony, which I'm okay with because he buried the body. Stephen Roy deserves to be locked up because he's a crazy scary person and he does not
00:49:53
Speaker
CJ Kelly's already going away for, more than likely, this is a second offense against a woman. He's gonna go away for that crime. I don't care what you have to do to get Steven Roy behind bars, put him behind bars and let every single person in Jim Pop know that he raped his own three-year-old daughter, please.
Questioning Systemic Failures
00:50:13
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So, anyway.
00:50:15
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They, the defense basically tried to say that Stephen Roy didn't do it. It was Maria Zarate and CJ Kelly that joined forces. That's why they knew the same story, blah, blah, blah. The jury deliberates for 10 hours and declares them guilty of first degree murder. Judge Kenneth McHugh gave a sentence of life without the chance of parole.
00:50:39
Speaker
Um, he has attempted to appeal, but has been dismissed every time. And he is still in prison. Now I do want to give, I fell down a Reddit rabbit hole on one person. I wanted to put out the story as it was. Cause this is a theory, but once I heard the theory, I was like, you know, makes sense.
00:50:58
Speaker
So we can't confirm or deny whether or not this is real life. No, this is 100% real life. The whole story I told you is real life. No, no, no. I know that. Oh, yeah. I'm talking about the Reddit. Yes. This is a theory. Someone said they they were basically like, hey, has anyone thought about this? And I was like, you know, please God be for real. But it's interesting. And I feel like I can see it. Give me your give me your thoughts.
00:51:20
Speaker
So they said have you ever wondered if Joanne cues that the one that was Murdered and accused of assaulting the one-year-old if maybe she wasn't the one that assaulted the one-year-old if it was Stephen Roy who? Assaulted the one-year-old and but accused her so that he could have her under his thumb because she's a wanted woman and it's his word against hers and Maria Zarate believed she did it and
00:51:44
Speaker
So she probably never hurt the child. He just blamed her for it. That way he could control her and bondage her up and destroy her life, basically. Which... I don't know. I could see it, but these people suck.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah. There's not been one decent human in like this entire story. Like I want so badly to feel all the, the, I want excused on a Blackburn for not showing up to testify in that first case because what she lived through, what she saw, she probably had to go through intensive therapy. No doubt. Oh yeah. She is probably got a lot of PTSD and you know what, if she was in therapy, one podcast that if I was her therapist, I'd say, no, you cannot go. That is not good for you mentally to be there around these people.
00:52:29
Speaker
but it's a three year old little girl. You gotta be there for her. That is what the case hinged on.
00:52:40
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because I feel like no matter, I'm an adult. And I know that I've just seen some shit. What's that little girl live through? Yeah, in my age. She can. But that little girl, yeah, she's going through it. I mean, she can, but it's going to be a, I mean, a long road. So that's my story. There's not a single redeemable person. Kudos to the nameless friend that called 911. Yes, thank you to you. Um, so I do want to, that'd be awesome shout out, but
00:53:08
Speaker
I don't, but I do want to ring my Game of Thrones shame bell. Shame. Where did that come from? Because I shame. You remember in Game of Thrones when they shamed Cersei? I do want to shame the state that convicted him of assaulting the 11 year old boy. So when you were sitting there telling me that story, I got online real quick.
00:53:30
Speaker
And I know you're looking at me funny. I wasn't, I knew you were looking at something. I knew it all the time. So for animal cruelty, you can serve on the phone, your first events up to three years, six months. He got six months. I still to this day cannot understand how child abuse is not like a
00:53:52
Speaker
right? You can call DHS and accuse people of child abuse, right? Like, I could spank my kid and somebody could call and I would get in trouble for that. Right. But when you sexually harass them, it's like, oh, no big deal. The fault. Yeah. Shark Week. Shark eats a person. They kill all the shark. They want to kill all.
00:54:12
Speaker
so why do we I will there's a lot of crimes fine not against a child there will never be anything that makes that there's no just for me there is no really care you're not redeemable no you do you are not no not I don't care if you don't have an ounce of self-control to tell you that it's not okay what you're thinking right now
00:54:30
Speaker
Like you're just a piece of shit, and you don't belong here. I'm sorry, and you'll never belong in my world. I'm never going to accept you, and I don't care what anybody says. Never. No, but shame on that, because if they'd have kept him in jail where his butt belonged after raping that 11-year-old boy,
00:54:48
Speaker
Look at all the lives. Look at all the people. But how many things have we talked about in that regard where so many kids' lives could have been, no, so many people's lives could have been saved. But six months, bro. Six months. He was convicted. No, I still think that we're living in a society where to this day in 2022, okay, like, okay, fine. We can make excuses for like the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, you know, the 1920s. Sexual assault against women is not a big deal. And it never has been.
00:55:15
Speaker
No, never. OK, our children aren't just sexual assault in general. Not a big deal. Men can't complain. Men can't come forward because they're shamed for not being manly enough to stop it. Women can't come forward because it's a he said she said her God forbid she was wearing tight clothing. It's her own fault. Right. Or she said no. Should have put out and you wouldn't have been raped according to the prosecutor. Well, you're a prostitute. So he just didn't want to. I get it. I get it. And but to me, that whole thing, that whole sexual
00:55:45
Speaker
Is so blasted and so dumb and great that there's no good answer for any of it because people make sex so It's not it's not anything real anymore No, it's in video games and in all the on all the video games that they play there They go out and pick up they steal cars and and get prostitutes
00:56:07
Speaker
That's that's children play these games. Yeah, it's in their face all the time And I'm sorry my six-year-old doesn't I don't need to be having conversations with her about that stuff I don't my kid is eight and when he comes home talking to me about certain genders Okay, or certain sexual preferences. I'm like why when I was eight I was playing with Barbies, bro
00:56:31
Speaker
I was getting spanked for being dumb. Okay. So like, I don't know, like just that whole thing, like sexual assault in, or in America. I don't know what it's like anywhere else in America. It doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Like when you, when you break somebody without a weapon, it's a lesser charge. But if you have a weapon, you possibly, so it's not really that big of a deal that you just took an 11 year olds virginity.
00:56:56
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Against their will yeah, there is no there is no consent and really literally just jacked them up for the rest of their life Like you don't know I am I told you this story sucked bro I had to take several break and hate you right now like I told you again You know what the soapbox is that you were climbing on top of I don't know how I can sit here and live in a generation where I
00:57:18
Speaker
And in our route and our foundation, a dog being left in a car can have more of an impact on somebody's life, like whether with their sentences, then fucking doing something to a kid. You already used your swear word. Sorry, I'm sorry. Here's my thing. I'm really getting mad. Here's my thing. Why is the sex sex trafficking so big? Because the cartel or whoever realized that they would get a lesser charge if they were caught trafficking humans than drugs.
00:57:47
Speaker
Absolutely. In America. True. How? It's true. You know what? Here's my thing. If you take drugs and you're addicted to drugs, people get addicted to drugs probably because someone raped you and tied you to a tree when you were a child. That's a reason that you get addicted to drugs because you want to forget the trauma. You want to escape something. Yeah. Most people. People use drugs for whatever reason. But if you choose to use drugs, that is your choice, your body. You do hurt those around you. You do need to get help. There are several great programs. Pray for you.
00:58:17
Speaker
But how is trafficking drugs the lesser charged than trafficking human beings against their will? Because you know what? If they were trafficking endangered white tiger embryos or eagle legs,
00:58:33
Speaker
There's an outcry. Yeah, you're screwed. But a human? A human? That's all right. You poach a whale and you're going. Clap on the wrist. Six months and you're out free to destroy other lives. You go to the Humane Society, you have to fill out an application to adopt a dog. I had to do a background check when I got juke. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Background check. You don't even have that same kind of right when you're like, these people come and they come together, they have kids, they just, you know.
00:58:56
Speaker
I'm sorry. I have said it for forever because we will infringe on every single part of your life, your kids being treated like if you tell you what your kids should believe in. Oh, yeah. They'll tell you what your kids need to learn. But when your kid is an absolute crackle of a situation, well, we there's nothing we can we don't have. We don't have the resources. We don't have the resources. Thank you.
00:59:22
Speaker
No, do better. Like do, do, yeah. Like stop building stupid shit that nobody needs from one water source to the other water source. Why don't we? Again, I haven't researched. I agree. I agree. I haven't researched the whole California, Mississippi thing could be real, could be not. I don't know. I'm sorry. You know, I had to take a test to get my insurance license for work. Yeah.
00:59:46
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I had to take a test to pass high school. I had to take a test to be able to drive. I had to take a vision test to be able to drive. I had to take a personality test. How do you pass that? I'll never know.
01:00:00
Speaker
I'm a really good liar. But why do you have children and you don't have anything? Which is really like, it's not like this huge fancy. I'm not a freaking doctor. Okay. But I had to take a freaking like psychological exam before they would even consider hiring me.
01:00:16
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Yeah, hear these people out around freaking, you know, doing it like rabbits spewing kids out loud. And I will never like this is like this was this was the point in my life, like there have been several points, but this is the point like it hit me the worst. So when I worked at a hospital here as a float when I was in nursing school.
01:00:38
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I would show up 30 minutes early. I'd get assigned to whatever floor needed the nurse's aid for that night, right? Yeah. And I was in labor and delivery and I love labor and delivery because the hospital that had it split like you labored on one side and after you delivered with the baby, the cute little squishy babies, I love babies. You're on another side and that's where I got to be because they didn't have floats in the laboring side, right?
01:00:59
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So I worked overnight because I was in nursing school and it was a Saturday night. You know, you do your six hour shifts and you go in and check their vitals and every time I would go into this one room, I couldn't tell you the name at all.
01:01:18
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The lady would be like just irate. She wanted pain meds. She's in pain. She wants pain meds. The nurse isn't giving her anything. Why isn't anyone giving her anything? I need meds. I need meds, meds, meds, pain, pain, pain. She's a drug addict. Clear as day. I spit
01:01:36
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The next six hours like the bulk of that night from the midnight shit from the midnight rounds to the six o'clock rounds before I did my last like checks and went home sitting in the nursery holding a little girl as loosely as I could because their skin is so sensitive as a one year as a one day old.
01:01:58
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sobbing inconsolable because she was going through DTS all that mom one of those pain meds and I remember the baby's name which I'll tell you off because it's my my middle brother's name and Sat there holding this baby like just sobbing because I know 24 hours That mom that doesn't give a crap about what that baby's going through is taking her home with her while she shoots up
01:02:23
Speaker
what's gonna happen to that baby. They know the mom's a drug addict. They know this baby's going through the DTs. They're still gonna send her home with her. How, how is that? You know, now I will say in Tennessee, we've taken some corrective action. You have to take a drug test and if there's anything in your system, you do not get to take that baby home until you've had every, every agency, because I had taken like some cold like,
01:02:49
Speaker
over-the-counter medicine that my doctor prescribed. But my doctor was out of town when they induced me, because I have preeclampsia. And it popped as like a possible methamphetamine. And so they would not, like my child was taken to Nicky because she had some complications and Nicky wasn't there, it was across town. But all kinds of people, they drug tested me like five times and I was, and then my doctor got there and she was like, no, no, no, I approved this medicine. She was good.
01:03:17
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um but so Tennessee has taken some some corrective actions but I don't know it's just there's just no good answer for stupid people. A child cannot defend themselves. I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna sit here and say stupid people I'm gonna say selfish people. Like you really can't control yourself. No means no. You can't control yourself. Come on.
01:03:40
Speaker
It shouldn't, no shouldn't even mean no. It's a child. You sick piece of crap. I'm sorry. My story did suck and there was nothing good about it. And you know what? Well, these are the things that piss me off and it sparks a really good argument because like, you know, they're like, well, that's why we want abortion. And it's because of the story that you just told. But she's not the type of person that gets an abortion. No, no, but the deal is, okay.
01:04:06
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is we're not we're not focusing on the people giving the birth. Those are the people that need to be fixed. Yeah, those are the people. I know they've already gone through the shit show. Yeah, they don't. There's a lot of there's a lot of two crimes. There's a lot of stuff that bothers me.
01:04:25
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kids will always bother me. So I have to tell you what I know is always easier looking at any kind of a criminal history, any kind of crime, whatever. If you're looking from the outside in, you can always poke holes in anybody's story. I get that.
01:04:40
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Yeah, I get that. But there also comes a time where there should have been a hell of a lot more intervention in that story than there ever was. The state of New Hampshire told the state of Virginia, it is not safe. Do not send the children.
01:04:56
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The children were sent anyway. Why send them to do a test to see if this is a safe environment? Which A, it's never going to be a safe environment. He's a felon for raping a child. No. But why send them if you're going to completely disregard what they say. Yeah.
01:05:12
Speaker
Like children. How many stories have we done that? 100. Almost like the one that I did just recently where he had literally been arrested like three freaking times in his childhood. Yeah. Being a psychopath. Yeah. And nobody helped him then. They just kept you. Here's your six months. Here's your eight months. Right. By the time he was 19, he was slaughtering somebody's horse.
01:05:33
Speaker
right yeah and then by the time he's in his adulthood he's murdering people and it's like we didn't go massachusetts we're just going to send him along to somebody else yeah be their problem yeah that's why where did he go where oh faith that block
01:05:49
Speaker
because it went from Massachusetts to let me look at my I remember. Oh, Nathaniel Barr. He went to Montana. Montana said Montana was like you. That's the one I messed up on the garbage. Like there's OK. So I'm going to be honest. These shit like true crime. The true crime episode I like to listen to. Like I like the ones that are, you know, gruesome or whatever. When I listen to myself, but I like, you know, the ones that are light hearted and funny, too, because you need a palate cleanser. Right.
01:06:17
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There's nothing lighthearted and funny in this story.
01:06:20
Speaker
And I don't necessarily like these kinds of stories. I don't either. But it's important. It is important. And if we ever get to the point where we do have, you know, some followers and, you know, we make money off this, which is a long way away right now. I need that to happen. Yeah. Food's nice. Yeah. But if we ever do do that, like, I want to be able to give it back to some kind of like, protect the children something. Absolutely. Like that's my goal. Like, I don't even know, like,
01:07:00
Speaker
um of ways that we can stay involved just to kind of help out people around the world people in our area but I want to lie like I would love to be able to make it here's my thing squeaky wheel gets oil everybody's heard that right sorry no squeaky squeaky wheel gets the oil you've never heard that statement oil you said squeaky wheel gets the wheel oh sorry squeaky wheel gets the oil
01:07:14
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Like we've talked about it in previous episodes like back before we start the summer thing of like, you know different Child trafficking things that we had talked about we talked about. Yeah
01:07:21
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So basically anybody that wants change, at least in America, we have a lot of UK listeners. Shout out to Great Britain. You guys are awesome. Thank you. But in America, if you want a policy change, you got to be the loudest and the most obnoxious and literally continue to go out there and over and over and over until you get what you want, basically. Yeah.
01:07:44
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Honestly, but we're also living in society right now when you get shut down, shut down. Okay, we're having a different belief system. But here's my thing that true, true, I get that. But if enough of us join together and, and start standing up and saying,
01:08:00
Speaker
harsher penalties for child abuse, whether it's physical, whether it's sexual, whether it's mental. If you abuse a child, we want stiffer punishment. And if enough of who's going to stand up and say, no, I think you should get a pass for a. No, that I I'm on board. Yeah. OK. But when it comes to the way that I discipline my child, I don't want the government involved.
01:08:25
Speaker
No, but when you but if you have a bystander that's out in public and I look at my son and I say, if you talk to me like that again, I'm going to bust your butt. That's different. But is it? That's what I'm saying. You're there. There are some whacking dudes out here thinking that you can't tell your kids no. OK, you can. I get all that. But if enough of us stood together and said, you know what? Raping a child is not OK. Sexually molesting a child is not OK.
01:08:53
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Like beating to where they are breaking bones of children, welts, scolding them with water, putting them in cages, starving them. How many stories have we heard in the news? And you know what? All the SCVU and all the Criminal Minds, all those shows that show these horrific retellings, it's all based off
01:09:15
Speaker
True stories. I know it's not, but there are so many ones that I've done research at this point from the headlines. Like they're telling you this stuff is out there. Why are we OK with it? Why is it just entertainment? Why can't we all say instead of saying, hey, I want to say of a child?
01:09:32
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entertainment I I don't know but instead of saying hey I want to save the endangered mangla pies and we shouldn't kill them I was just trying to make up an animal I want to say let's save the freaking children who are being tortured literally sold into sex trafficking by their parents so they can get drug money
01:09:51
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If you do that to a child, I want a stiff penalty. Yeah. And who who can say that I'm wrong and be OK in society? We live in
Societal Accountability for Child Protection
01:10:00
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a cancel culture. You want to cancel someone? Cancel the child abuse. Cancel the molasses and cancel the people who give them six months. Yeah. For a convicted. You're not. It's not even a question. I am so on. They should be canceled.
01:10:14
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those freaking people that sit on that jury box those people that sit in the in the hot seat the judges okay no you get somebody off with a with a six month limit or i'm sorry a fine and i'm molesting assaulting or hurting a kid in that manner
01:10:33
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But it's not even you're just it's not even that in my opinion and this is taking it a step further I get that I tend to go a little too good, but Maria's errata that left her two children with this monster Because she didn't feel safe for her like okay. She should have been charged with child endangerment. Okay period you can be an Assist well, what do they call it abating?
01:10:56
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Yeah, a felling, a betting a felon, right? She was abating that rape. She knew what was going to happen. It was child endangerment. And there should be a stiffer penalty. I agree. You know what? If a mother threw her kid at the zoo over the fence into the lion den and that kid got eaten, guess what? That mom would be in trouble because she basically murdered the kid. Yeah. Maria Zorada left her kid with a sexual deviant. Yep. And she knew he was.
01:11:23
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She knew he was. She might not have had a hard cold back, but she left because she was afraid.
01:11:28
Speaker
I'm sorry. That's crap. And you know what? I will apologize because I know that kid cases are a lot of people's triggers. They're Lisa's triggers. But you know what? I'm going to keep doing them. And I hope that you're uncomfortable. And I hope it makes you so uncomfortable that you say, you know what? I agree. Let's do some. There are people all over TikTok that I've seen in the last like month or two who do these mimic like it's just a fake video recording of what it would
01:11:53
Speaker
They were to grab a kid and shove it in the back of the truck. Yeah. And how many people turn around and ran away? What is wrong with you? Grab that kid. What is wrong with you as a human? No. No. I am angry. We're going to have to cut off now.
01:12:08
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Yeah. Cause I've gone over as per usual. Um, I really am sorry. I know that was a hard case. I know there was no light hearted banter. I know, I know it sucked later tonight when you're laying in bed and hopefully you can't think about it. I want you to think what seriously, I'm not joking. I know we have a very limited audience right now, but Hey, maybe in five years you're listening to this and nothing's changed. Stand up then. It's never, even if you're the only one standing.
01:12:35
Speaker
If you're standing for the rights of the child, you're doing the right thing, bottom line. If you're standing for the right path of anything, you're in the right. Who cares if everything is against you? If we can stand for saving the rhinoceroses because they're being poached, let's save the children who are being poached. That's all I'm saying. Agreed.
01:12:51
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All right, well, we're gonna take a quick breather till at Lisa who saw I'm sorry. All right. We're gonna take a brief intermission Everybody take a little drink see what you got to do go outside and scream obscenities. That's what I did several times We'll hear back from you in just two seconds. Well, I guess after that hurricane of information I
01:13:19
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where I'm still furious. Still, I have to tell my story. I've been sworn out a lot off air. It's only going to make me mad to have to sit here and talk about what I'm going to talk about tonight. But there's not going to be any introduction. I'm not going to give you any names. Not going to give you really any information except the victim. So my state is New Jersey.
Unsolved Murder Cases of the 1960s
01:13:42
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And so here we go. Nancy Vogel was a 29-year-old mother.
01:13:46
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She had two children when she went missing in 1967. She was last seen leaving her home to play bingo with a group of her church friends. She was found three days later in Richfield Park in New Jersey. She was in her car beaten, severely beaten, naked and bound with a thin cord. The clothes were found neatly folded in the back seat.
01:14:09
Speaker
And I guess it was apparent that she had been strangled by one of the courts at one point. Nancy was the first of very many murders that took place between 1967 through 1980. Oh, okay. Oh, goody. Goody, goody gumdrops. Jacqueline Hart. 13 years old went missing on July 17th, 1968.
01:14:38
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After not returning from her band practice, Paris became concerned. She was last seen just before 10 p.m. walking home. Her mother reported her missing at 1 a.m., but her body was found the very next morning. She was beaten in the face and strangled with a leather strap from her own flag sling. So, like, I don't know if you know what that is. Yeah, my sister-in-law was on the flagboard. On the flagboard? I've seen Napoleon Dynamite.
01:15:05
Speaker
That's your reference right now. I'm trying to make you laugh before you explode all over my stuff. I'm already just done. Her clothes were described as being in disarray by the police, even though they suspected it to be sexually motivated. She was not raped. Thank God. I mean, she's still killed, but small mercies, I guess. Very small.
01:15:27
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Irene Blaise, 18, went missing on April 7, 1969, found the very next day being beaten, strangled with what cops believed to be her own crucifix. She was stabbed once through the back into her right lung. She was partially disrobed, laying in shallow water in Saddle River. It was never confirmed or denied that she had been beaten. How do you not know? Well, it was 1969. OK. I didn't catch the year. I'm sorry.
01:15:58
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Again, all of these happened in New Jersey between these years. Denise Velasco, 15, went missing on July 14th, 1969, not far from her house. Her body was found next day in front of a cemetery. She had been beaten in the face, strangled with a chain of crucifixes, and sexually assaulted. What was her name? I'm sorry. Denise?
01:16:23
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Alaska. I kind of hope I said that right. Can't butcher it worse than I do. Lorena, Mary Kelly, 16, and Mary Ann Pryor, 17, went missing August 19th, 1974, after being dropped off at a bus stop. Both of them were found on August 14th. Together they went missing together? They were friends. They were both found August 14th across from an apartment complex.
01:16:52
Speaker
They were found face down, naked, laying next to each other. There were marks on their wrists and ankles suggesting they had been bound. Both had ropes loosely around their necks. Both had been beaten, clothing was never found, and they were sexually assaulted. One of the victims had cigarette burns all over her.
01:17:14
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According to the autopsy, one of the girls lived longer than the other, and it was said that she was held captive for at least 24 hours. Small mercies for the one that was killed earlier, I guess. I don't think anything is small mercies at this point. Mary Ann Carr, 27. She went missing December 15, 1977. She was found the next day.
01:17:35
Speaker
next to a parking lot fence of a motel. She had what looked like handcuff marks on her wrists and ankles, deep ligature marks around her neck. She had some adhesive marks around her mouth from where I guess the tape had been pulled off. So it was like the residue around her face.
01:17:56
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bruising covered the majority of her body, mostly the ones covered by clothing. So she was assaulted aggressively sexually in a nutshell. Sounds like he's getting worse. There was a hemorrhage in the left occipital bone, thank you very much, behind her left ear. So in order to get whacked that hard,
01:18:20
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Like beaten that hard. And Hemeridge, and they found her past the next day. Valerie Ann Street, 16. Abducted from New York in May 4th, on May 4th, 1980.
Serial Offender Insights
01:18:36
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She was driven to New Jersey, and she was found in a motel under her bed. Drugs were found on the scene. She had been beaten, ridiculously beaten. She had sharp ligature marks around her neck,
01:18:49
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Traces of adhesive around her mouth. Hold on. Her nipples have been lacerated. Three circular, shallow lacerations around her breasts. Lacerations to her sternum and abdomen. And she had been raped. So there's no question. He's getting worse. He's getting worse. Ugh. Pamela Wine, uh, Wentzenfield was discovered in a parking lot in New Jersey. She was barely alive. She was alive, though.
01:19:18
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She was brutally beaten and bitten all over her body. She was believed to have been drugged after meeting the killer somewhere in either New Jersey or New York City. The same man has been deemed responsible for each of these murders and the attempted murders on, there were two women that survived, but I'm not going to talk about the other one yet.
01:19:40
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This is across New Jersey and New York. Guess what state Lisa has next. New York. I was going to tell you guys, usually when we have two partners, we record the next one right then because we're too hopped up to like stop. So we're like, let's just we pause and then we start. She's not. I've got to wait with you guys. No, I got to figure out the best way that I'm going to like close this out to make it seem better. We will post the New York episode on Thursday.
01:20:09
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they try not to Google yes I'm talking to myself don't forget about it cuz I'm gonna tell you a whole thing we're not gonna go we're not gonna go dark on you the same man was being responsible for each of these murders and the attempted murders of all he better have got more six months he was named the torso killer in New Jersey and that's all I have on that night what I do have is how in
01:20:32
Speaker
2019. Like two years ago. 2022. I'm sorry. 21. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. 2020. 21 and 22. This man is still confessing to murder. So I found a website. I'll give you guys the website that I looked up.
01:20:52
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because it was weird. I ended up redoing my entire thing tonight because I came across this website and I was like, wow, all of my dates are completely out of order, right? So, and then that's just kind of like trying to piece together a story. This website that I found. If they look up the website, are they gonna know who did it? Oh yeah, I'm not gonna say a word. I'm not gonna say the website. I said that's for the end. Oh, so you said I'm gonna give it to you like you're gonna give it to me now. No, no, no, I'm sorry guys, I'm not gonna give it to you right now. But I will at some point give it to you.
01:21:26
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So not only do they have all of the victims that went down, but they had all of these suspected victims of this person. He was even referenced at some point, they thought he was referenced in criminal minds now.
01:21:41
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I, I, I, I know the episode because I was like where Rossi has to go on his birthday each year to get a name. That's not the number you know, that is close though. Yes. I know because every year he gives another name and location. Yep. And that's why Rossi hates his birthday, which if you're a criminal minds person, it's coming back on, on Paramount plus. And if you're on Tik TOK, Matthew's rubber who plays Dr. Spencer Reed is fricking hysterical. And he stays in Spencer Reed mode all the time, but like himself,
01:22:10
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And he posts stuff all the time and I die. I love myself some recently.
Podcast Future and Challenges
01:22:16
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Um, the one that came to my mind when I was doing some of this research, cause they were talking about, and again, you're not going to hear until next week, but some of his later crimes, I, I really started thinking about Frank. I think of the toy box killer with Frank. Do you know, I was actually thinking a minute ago and I was going to tell you when we were off air, but whatever case is done for now, if you don't want to listen, don't, we're just at 10. So if we ever do like a Patreon, so, you know,
01:22:41
Speaker
support all the stuff I buy for this. And you know, because I do want to set up some kind of charity for, for kids and the record. It's not like I've not asked her if she wanted money. Yeah. But still, I'm not a mooch. Yeah. But here's my thing. Like, so every, every podcast that does a Patreon has like an, has a thing they do for like their higher level of peers, right?
01:23:02
Speaker
And I was telling you some different things we could do. I thought of the thing we should do. So when we do, if we ever, if we ever get enough people that we need a Patreon and we do a Patreon, um, it's like, we can tell some like more high, high profile, like, you know, stories and talk about those together. But I think we should do, um, like a, um, like true or false, almost like I tell you a story and you have to tell me if I'm telling you like an SBU episode or if I'm telling you a true crime. Oh, crap.
01:23:28
Speaker
Yeah, but isn't that good? That would be real good. So I think that's what I'll do. No, it'd be better for the audience. I don't know how obsessed they are, but I've seen the majority. Yeah. But like if we do if we do a Patreon, we can set up a poem. People can like try to guess if it's true or not. You have to try to guess at the end if it's true or not. And like on the next, you know, the next day or whatever, we'll tell you like, yeah, it was SPU episode, whatever were Benson, blah, blah, blah. Are we going to be like, nope, that's true. But I thought that'd be I thought it'd be fun.
01:23:58
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. I really think that would be interesting. Well, because at first I was like, because you know how I'm all like, hey, after the summer series, which has been grueling, Lisa and I have full time jobs and we're also moms. I thought it'd be fun to do two episodes a week because I need to be put on medication.
01:24:20
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either one of us really saw what was gonna hit at that point so no in this summer I never anticipated having to work as many hours as I've had to work that was not I never anticipated everybody in my department quitting and me having the whole commercial line department that was my day today everybody walked out yeah
01:24:41
Speaker
But you know, I mean like we didn't know but even so it's a lot of work trying to get too recorded Yeah a week like the research to make sure it's accurate and it's sad because it's only a half an hour Yeah, your yours might be mine or like an hour and a half each episode. Well, well, it could be a little longer But you know, it could shorten up like your stories really pissed me off
01:25:02
Speaker
But like the Jaws episode when I did Massachusetts like that like if that was a patreon I tell you the whole story you guys tell me if it's true or false and then the next day I'm like not bro that was Jaws it's like changing up it's true in a way because it was a movie but that's what I'm saying like we could do like you do that like you tell the story and I have to say at the end if it was
01:25:23
Speaker
true or false like if it was a true story or a story from a show or a movie yeah bonus points if i can name the show like svu criminal mind that was jaws that would be fine but do you know what i mean art if it's true like but that's only if you guys really want to sit here and listen to everybody ramble i mean honestly it'd be a story me and faith have a lot of really good bantering outside of the podcast because
01:25:45
Speaker
We feel like it might be disrespectful to some people. We really tone it down. Like I keep a firm leash on Lisa. I'm going to get a shock collar to her. I can press the button once she gets a little bit to, you know, she's going to do it. See, you're just going to start here and leave to go. That was the worst impression of electric shock ever.
01:26:05
Speaker
Yes. Don't you think that'd be fun if we ever got like to where we had people that, you know, like regularly listen. And if we got a Patreon, like if you're going to pay, let's make it fun. Let's make it real. Yeah. And people can like email one of us or send us like, Hey, do this episode. See if Faith can guess it. Or Hey, try to see if Lisa can get this one. Cause we've both watched like every either horror movie, criminal mile. Like it can be whatever. I thought that'd be a cool like spin. Like that could be our thing.
01:26:32
Speaker
We're trademarking it. Trademark twisted tells. Do not take that anyone because if you do. Oh, no, you should not have said. I know I got excited. All right. Yeah, there's lips. You know what? Hey, there's enough stories. There's no idea. Telephone, telephone, telephone. Well, you know what? Hey, there are true crime podcasts before I decided I wanted to do it with less swearing than I brought you on. That was the worst. That was a terrible idea.
01:26:57
Speaker
So that, you know, hey, someone else wants to do it? Impress? Impress? What is it? Imitations? The best form of flattery? There you go. There's enough stories. There's enough people. You probably have more listeners than us. What did Aladdin say? You can impersonate, but you can't duplicate, buddy. Yeah. That was lame. It came out of your mouth, didn't it? Yeah, well. Oh!
01:27:21
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Well, so before we end I just want to go ahead and tell you guys that my story will continue next week Not not next week in two nights in two days. Sorry Thursday. We don't know what today is if I have to strap her butt to a chair She what we will put we will record this at probably tomorrow night because if I told her has to be tomorrow Thursday night girls night with my mom Oh
01:27:44
Speaker
So I'm fine. Hey, I didn't like I didn't sleep one solitary minute last night and I'm still here at 834 p.m. Do you guys know the plus sign that they like to put on like murder pedia? Yeah, the follow. Yeah. So like his goes up to like a hundred. OK. Well, hey, speaking of the plus signs or the follow when you want to like like something, we've got one of those on Spotify or Apple podcast or Samsung podcast.
01:28:11
Speaker
And if you just want to press that plus sign, even if you don't mean it, you want to press that. Maybe give us five stars. You have to leave a comment. I don't care if you leave a comment like accidentally on purpose. Lisa gives bad references to Disney movie where his face are great. I'm surrounded by idiots. References just in general. You as a human being suck. No, I don't. I'm a delight. That's not true. All right, guys. But you can follow us on Instagram.
01:28:37
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at all the links in the show notes, but it's Twisted Tales underscore pod.
Listener Engagement and Social Issues
01:28:42
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You can follow us on Facebook. Twisted Tales shoot crimes. And you can follow us on not Twitter. No, because I don't want to. I don't. I don't Twitter. I don't tweet. Oh, is that it? We don't tweet. OK.
01:28:58
Speaker
But so there's those. I won't be able to post that much about my story on Facebook or Instagram this week. And I'm sorry, I know that I've been slacking on posting. I've got all the pictures from all my episodes saved. I have a really bad habit of posting things that haven't happened yet. So Faith banned me from posting things. She also doesn't put any context like she's not even a picture. No, what crimes that from? We don't know what episodes that from. We don't know. If I could tell you how often I actually got on Facebook or Instagram, it'd be
01:29:25
Speaker
I like really into pictures and stuff, but let's be honest you guys you guys know Google I like tick tock because it makes me laugh I do love a tick tock that kid with the walking parts man That's about it for me right tick tock I just like
01:29:40
Speaker
You know, every once in a while I'll scroll through my newsfeed on a, on a Facebook and just like people's things. I try to put at least one thing on Facebook a week. I'm not doing very good because again, my job is imploded, but whatever. Maybe I'll do better. But anyway, we hope you guys, uh, you know what? There's no way you enjoyed my story, but I hope it prompts you to think about ways you can reach out, whether it's a letter to your Congressman or whatnot.
01:30:03
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Are whether it's just talking to people just tell hey, don't you agree and just word of mouth whatever you want to do? Yeah, and don't don't Google Lisa story because she's gonna finish it in like 24 hours Don't do it. Don't do it. She doesn't then Google it
01:30:19
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No, don't Google it because it gets really interesting and I would love to be able to put all of this together for you guys in a fashion that makes it interesting. Let her do the hard work. You just lean back with a bubbly, probably alcoholic beverage is what's going to be needed and listen to yourself some murder and mayhem. Well, unless you're like me in faith and you put it in while you're at work and
01:30:43
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Tied out a bunch of crap that drowned out the sounds of my crying Call my office the dinner to spares now I was in my boss's office and I kept trying to make you're talking to you and I was like I don't want to go to the dinner to spare
01:31:00
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I've got a guy that I work with. I've referenced him once before. Actually, he's the guy that I told you I thought I would do a podcast on. Eventually, he's a weirdo. He he always turns the light down every single time he comes in. It doesn't matter who's there. There's like six of us back there. He shuts the light like all the way down. And I'll be like, dude, turn it back up. And he goes, no. And then we argue about it. And he's like, no, no.
01:31:28
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What does he say, Faith Hall? I don't know. I don't work with you. You might have to edit this out because now I can't remember the statement he uses. No, no. Let's leave your incompetence in here at the end. And it's not incompetent. I'm just 37 now. Your memory. And I don't remember which pair of shoes I put on this morning. I've got a girl that I work with. It's a new hire. She's going to be my assistant eventually.
01:31:51
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and she works in the dark and i'm like that's not good for your eyes bro yeah that's him i mean although no one ever thinks she's in her office so people leave her alone so is she smart i think so because like i walked by to give her something to do and i'm like ah she's not there and i don't even go all the way to her office even though i know she knows she works in the dark when i do it my boss just turns on the light
01:32:12
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Brain farted so bad in despair. He says it every day and it's only cuz you said the den of despair Cuz he had his own name for it. Yeah, don't with me like that. I won't remember eventually if there's still listening to by this point
01:32:27
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No, I'm leaving it. We got to post it tonight, bro. I haven't slept in 24 hours. This is all natural. Not a lot of sleep either, but that's only because I have a kid that sleepwalks like freaking insane. All right. Well, we're signing off. We'll hear you'll hear from us in about 24 hours with the rest of Lisa story and my story, which is it's a doozy. I'm just going to tell you it's a doozy.
01:32:50
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Not like tonight. I don't know why I have to say that at the end. Not like tonight. It's the end. It's already happened. They're not going to go and listen to the back half of this and think, I bet her story was great. Yeah, my story was not great. It's horrible. But anyway, we're going to keep rambling because we're tired. We got to go to bed. My husband's texting me. So I will talk to you guys later. Hope you have a great day. Bye. Bye. Say it with some feelings. No, because I'm not on that. I can't remember what Turkey calls it. Adios, amigos.