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SERIAL - Josef Mengele, Angel of Death (Part2)
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On this episode, we will finish up the story of Josef Mengele - focusing more on some of the brave survivors of the Holocaust. Through unspeakable evil shown upon them, there are brave men and women who decided to be a better person and do the right thing.
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Introduction and Recap
00:00:00
Speaker
Good afternoon and thanks for joining us again tonight on Twisted Tales with Faith.
00:00:06
Speaker
And Lisa. And Lisa. You told everybody good afternoon, only because it's afternoon where we're at right now. But we're not really going to. And then you're like a good evening. Yeah. I said, good afternoon and thanks for joining us. Oh, finally, I got one after my math error. Yeah. So weeks ago. Good morning to those who are in time, whatever day of the day, whatever time of the day. There you go. Whatever day of the day, guys, because there's so many of them. You're just trying to make it better from when you said South America when you were in Africa. Listen here. Listen here. The brain.
00:00:36
Speaker
I'll pump them as many times as I need to, but I'm just simply saying. I just wanted to make sure everyone's included, no matter what time of the day, the day, the day, realistic. Yeah, all right, yeah, that's where we really, no, no, don't say, you know what I'm saying? There's no saving. Goodbye, all right. All right, well. Sorry, last week was super serious, we needed some
Holocaust Context and Importance
00:00:58
Speaker
humor. And by last week, we mean five minutes ago when we finished recording, took a mental health break,
00:01:03
Speaker
And now we're going to record the second one because we're just going to go ahead and knock this out because I can't, I can't keep this in my, in my mind any longer. Right. It really has to, like, I'm going to get it out and have a couple drinks. So if you didn't listen to last week, we started with the Holocaust, um, talked about the background, the times, um, Mengele and, uh, started our introduction into the concentration camp.
00:01:31
Speaker
So in other words, you need to go back and listen to the first one, because the second one will make more sense. Horrific, no matter which one you listen to. Cool. So last time we were talking about how the test subjects were children.
Insights into Auschwitz
00:01:47
Speaker
Children. And so on the Auschwitz website for that particular concentration camp, you can go in and look at all the different, not look at, but it gives you a brief detail of all the different sections, all the different, because it had many
00:02:00
Speaker
sections of the camp like it was the largest concentration camp there but they like when you say like different sections you're talking about like different experimental sections yeah well they had like one part of it like Austin this one's perfect one okay it held 20,000 and then that also it's working south to which could hold up to 80,000
00:02:19
Speaker
it was one big complex okay so let me ask you a question yeah you said 20,080 that's not the exact amount of people they actually had within there or i don't it was that like an estimated this is how many it could hold i think that's how many people they crammed in they're not the maximum capacity because they well overfilled that okay does that make sense yeah it does it still pisses me off but go so on their website it talks about the fate of the children children and also it's which is part of in the history tab if you go to
Children in Auschwitz
00:02:49
Speaker
the history tab, fate of the children. I'll have all this in the show notes and on our Facebook page and it's true. I said show notes, get your mind out of the gutters. I did not rewind later and prove who's right or wrong. It's going to be me.
00:03:03
Speaker
Anyway, naturally. So it says, and this is all I'm reading from directly from their page. So definitely not my words, but on the basis of the partially preserved camp records, the estimate is, and it has been established that there were approximately 232,000 children and young people from 18 among the 1.3 million people deported to Auschwitz. This figure includes 216,000 Jews.
00:03:32
Speaker
11,000 gypsies and at least 3,000 polls over 1,000 polls like Polish speakers over 1,000 by low Russians and a significant number of Russians Ukrainians and others the majority of them were deported Auschwitz among with their parents and various campaigns directed against the whole ethnic or social groups slightly more than 23.5 thousand children and young people were registered in the camp out of a total of 400,000 registered
00:04:03
Speaker
And I would like to point out 400,000. The statement began with, this is a partially preserved camp record. So that's not even the full amount. That's just what they could possibly count. That is the records that were not destroyed, what those records say. So anyway, just wanted to remind everybody we are talking about kids in this part.
Brutal Experiments on Children
00:04:27
Speaker
So we ended last week talking about the rigorous six-day schedule. These children were made to keep Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. They were measured and observed. Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays is when they went to the bloodletting room where they could be experimented on. One arm was injected with different random toxic chemicals, who knows what, disease, whatever they were putting in one arm. The other arm, they were taking their blood. All right, so. Those were the twins, yeah? Yeah. OK. Those were the twins.
00:04:55
Speaker
Those who assisted Mangala were instructed to prepare several of the twins for daily experimentation. Those who were chosen were bathed and taken to one of the facilities around the camp to be tested. Some of those tests were just mere x-rays, while others were more in depth.
Trigger Warning and Content Overview
00:05:11
Speaker
And I do, I'm sorry, we, like I said guys, we just finished the last one, so I assumed that, you know,
00:05:19
Speaker
I don't know. I know that this is a week later that you're getting this. Please hear me. Huge, huge, biggest sugar warning I could ever issue. Tonight, we're going to be talking about the Holocaust. We're going to be talking about murder, children's murder, children's infant murder. We're going to be talking about experimentations on human. We're talking about absolute degradation and disregard for human life whatsoever, torture, incredibly racist views. And if you were sensitive to any of that,
00:05:49
Speaker
you just skip this episode because there's no way not to hit those topics talking about the Holocaust. So just sorry, I did the trigger warning in the beginning of last episode and I just guess I just- We need to reiterate either way because it's only gonna get worse from here. Last episode that we recorded like 10 minutes ago was kind of the basic, the underlined, this is where we're going, it was still crappy,
00:06:17
Speaker
But now we're really about to ski down that mountain. Oh yeah. And just as a reminder as well, what we're talking about right now is not based on historical text or even records because those are all destroyed. A lot of this is testimony from people who survived.
00:06:36
Speaker
So you can say that it's embellished. You can say whatever you want to. They still live through this. They still live through untold horrors. Well, even guys, honestly, if you look up any of this stuff and do any kind of research yourself, you can see the mountains of bodies, human bodies that were just thrown away like garbage. And those aren't even the gas chambers. Those are just the ones that were piled up. Yeah. I'm just saying, this is factual.
00:07:04
Speaker
Whatever, that's my opinion and I don't care if you don't like it. We don't need to hear about that portion. All right, so the kids were taken in for daily tests, x-rays being the lowest of the low while those were more in depth.
Mengele's Obsession with Aryan Ideals
00:07:21
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For example, Mengele was obsessed with producing the perfect Aryan specimen, blonde hair, blue eyes, right? So he would experiment on the eyes of the twins.
00:07:31
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One of the survivors, pair of twins, recalled that on one day drops were put into her eyes and she couldn't see for days afterwards. And she actually thought the Nazis had blinded them. Wow. I wonder. Her vision is. So that's just morbid curiosity. I wonder what they did. There's no telling what they put in there. But she also said that the drops that were in their eyes was the least invasive of the eye procedures, as other twins would have chemicals injected directly into their eye
00:08:00
Speaker
just to see if he could change their eye color into blue. Kidding me. It didn't work, but no, he would inject needles directly into their eyes. And everybody's conscious, guys. Everybody's awake. There's no, we're not dulling anybody's pain. They're just torturing people. Yeah.
00:08:19
Speaker
So another survivor, Alex DeKal shared a story that while he was 12 and he's just arriving at the camp, he remembered seeing Mandela perform an operation to remove pieces from prisoner's stomach while that prisoner was awake with no numbing agent. Okay, so here's the deal, guys. I'm sorry, but we're getting to like serial killer. Yeah.
00:08:42
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you know what I'm saying? It's morbid curiosity. First of all, what can a person endure pain wise? And then two, what can I see? What can I really physically look at? And I'm sorry, but it takes a twisted freaking mind to actually think to themselves, I'm going to cut this kid open, kid, and just see what his insides look like. I'm just going to mess around in there for a minute.
00:09:12
Speaker
Now, there are also reports that he would actually cut these prisoners open, remove an organ, just pick one, and they'd sew them back up and send them out to work to see how their body handled it without that organ. You're kidding. I don't, that, it is just reported. That is one of the reports. So it's not like, you know, and I'm going to do my air quotes here. It's not factual, but more than likely probably happened. Like I said, last episode, even if some of these spells are exaggeration, there's a kernel of truth in them. Yeah. So, um,
00:09:41
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Another twin, Eva, when she gave her report of what happened, she reported in her statement that she was injected with a disease and became extremely sick shortly afterwards. But she was afraid to let anyone know because she didn't want to be separated from her sister Miriam. At one of the measurement days, that's exactly what happened. And she was sent to the hospital using extremely high fever. And Mendela didn't want any of his other test subjects infected, even though he infected her, just to point that out.
00:10:11
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But she states that a team of five doctors, including Mengele, came by the next day to study her at the hospital. And his exact words that she remembered him saying was, she's so young, too bad she only has two weeks left to live. Seriously? And she said that it was just like a flip it like, yeah, she's going to die. Yeah, like the best bedside manner of any doctor in history. Yeah. And she said she remember thinking right then that she was going to do everything in her power to prove that cruel man wrong and survive.
00:10:41
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just to get back to her sister. You go, girl. So for two weeks, she was basically unconscious because she was so sick. But she remembered attempting to crawl across the other side of the barracks where the faucet was, but she was not giving anything to eat or drink. So her body's fighting an illness, yet she has nothing to fight with. Right. Just sheer willpower. OK. So after three weeks, she was back to normal and released to be reunited with her sister. Her sister told her that someone had stayed in the room with her the entire time continually.
00:11:11
Speaker
She didn't even know her sister was sick. No one would tell her what was happening, Diva. She didn't know if she was alive or dead. No way. So no. And there's a lot of theories that, during this time, there was a lot of fantastical or mythical thinking, they call it. And there's a lot of reports that twins can fill the other one, or they have their own language, or they can sense when something's wrong. So I honestly think that's what they were doing here. This little girl was sick. They didn't expect her to live. So someone monitored her sister 24-7 just to see if she knew.
00:11:40
Speaker
Does that make sense? Why else would you send someone into the little girl's room 24-7? Just to see. And not tell her anything. You just want to see if she inherently knows. That's my opinion. Take it for what it is. That kind of hit me. Honestly, it kind of sounds about right. Honestly. Because if they could make the perfect specimen that could also communicate with someone else, you know. Yeah, in their warped head. That's just stellar.
00:12:08
Speaker
That'd be amazing. Only, you know, maybe not so much torture and maiming. It'd be nice. Wouldn't it? Yeah. There you go. So another testified of the experience performed on his twin brother, which he just named T, like the letter T. Mengele was well known for his obsession with tuberculosis and how it spread. And this was injected into the older twin.
00:12:35
Speaker
So the one that was born first was the test subject. The younger twin was the control group. So his brother was injected with tuberculosis. After he was fine from that, Mengele performed surgery on his brother's spine, which left him paralyzed. Wow. OK. Yep. And they made the other twins watch most of the time when these things were in the either. Well, because again, like you were just saying, what can the other twin feel? What is that innate?
00:13:06
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you know, response. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like people talk about having birthing pains and then like, you know, sympathy pain. Yeah. Right. Yep. Um, there was also a fourth operation done on his brother to remove the brother's sexual organs. And that was the last time he ever saw his brother. Good. So this kid was just brutalized and then castrated and then died. Yeah. There are some reports that he would also take the twins
00:13:34
Speaker
like if there was a um boy girl twin they he would try to he would give the boy blood to the girl and the girl blood to the boy to see if he could make like uh make them either change sexes or if he could kind of like unify the sexes like he did a lot of weird experimentation on that and so like he got bored one day and was like this is i wonder what would happen yeah and this is why i said last week i think that he was
00:14:01
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a kid pulling off wings and butterflies to see what happened. Like he literally was just a nutbag. Yeah. I had even heard at one point they were doing experiments to have an ape human race. No, it surprised me with these people. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but really it wouldn't shock me. No. Really it wouldn't. No. There is a story told while no one knows if it's fact or fiction.
00:14:29
Speaker
the Mengele took a set of Roma is what they called them but gypsy twins and sewed them back to back trying to fuse their organs to make a Siamese twin. It was reported that you could hear the twins screaming day and night until gangrene finally set in and they died three days later. But you just heard these kids screaming day and night and pain. Faith, I know you want some kind of a reaction from me when you say these things but like
00:15:00
Speaker
There's no words for that. Other than the fact that I keep flinging my head back and looking to the heavens, I don't know what to say. And it's the statement that we've made from day one. There's just no fathoming. But the human mind is capable of coming up with.
00:15:28
Speaker
or how evil it can truly be. And so guys, I'm sorry that I'm not responding much, but like, I really don't know what to say. I mean, I know that this is fact, I know that these things are happening, you know, whether people want to admit to it or not, I really don't give a crap. But you, I don't understand how anybody can listen to a story like that.
00:15:54
Speaker
knowing that the Holocaust did in fact happen and saying, oh, well, this isn't really technically documented. Okay. But you had like, there was, it was almost millions, wasn't it? Of just dead bodies. Just like, sorry, I caught myself. Okay. It just, it's aggravating guys. Like you've got to sit here and think what, what kind of a personality this guy had.
00:16:24
Speaker
and then came into such amazing power to be able to inflict his morbid, ugly, nasty rituals on somebody else. And it's totally okay for his government at that time. Well, and you know, you said, you asked last time is, you know, was he actually like bought into this or whatever?
00:16:50
Speaker
Okay, the eye experiment sure you're trying to make those blue eyes. Tell me how attaching two kids together back to back makes a perfect phrase.
Mengele's God Complex
00:17:01
Speaker
I can't even say okay fine with the blue eyes. These children weren't... There was no morphine back then guys. Like these kids had to feel
00:17:14
Speaker
every single bit. Well, and the deal is he wanted him to feel like he wanted to see if the other twin would feel it too. So yeah, he made sure they felt it. There was numbing agents. There was way to take away the pain. He just chose not to lose those. So like, I don't know. That's why I keep getting like really aggravated and frustrated. And it's hard for me to keep my mouth shut.
00:17:43
Speaker
but I have to keep my mouth shut because of things that want to come out of my mouth. No human ear should hear. Yeah, it's not appropriate. So I'll let you continue, but you'll hear from me again, I'm sure. There is another account where Mengele attempted to connect the urinary tract of a seven-year-old girl to her own colon. I should have waited for that. OK, go ahead. While others attested to him experimenting on the genitalia of both boys and girls.
00:18:14
Speaker
And we talked about, throughout his whole life, he had this, he got to choose who lived and died. He had a god complex. You can't commit to the wife. Absolutely. So it was so bad that tuberculosis was a big thing back then. It was rampant. It's still kind of a big thing. Yeah. I have a friend that actually had it. Yeah. She was a missionary in another country. Oh, yeah. I know. OK. And she came back with tuberculosis. And it took, I mean, it was like five years later, she was still suffering with lung repercussions. Yeah.
00:18:44
Speaker
Not to mention the rigorous quarantine. And it wasn't like quarantine like we got these days, y'all. She was by herself for months. Yeah. It wasn't like the COVID quarantine. Exactly. It was like you literally stayed in your bedroom. Your bubble boy. Yeah, she was bubble girl. But tuberculosis was a big thing. So there's this story about how there were a set of twin boys, the Mengele
00:19:11
Speaker
quote unquote favored. I don't know what it means to be in his favor. I'm guessing it's not a good thing. Yeah, I know probably not so much. Um, cause he's super cool. Yeah. And he said they had tuberculosis and everyone, all the other doctors said, no, they don't have tuberculosis. He said, yeah, they do. And they were trying to give reasons. These other doctors are trying to give reasons why these boys like didn't have the signs and symptoms. He was so mad at being questioned.
00:19:40
Speaker
He took these boys, killed them and then dissected them and then said, oh, you were right. They didn't have it. Wow. Okay. So like when you're sitting there telling that story, I thought maybe it was like, you know how like we've talked about other killers in the past that just randomly will let people know like they have that kind of sympathy. That's really where I thought we were going. And then you just totally pop that balloon. No, he was, he was going to prove he was right. And then even when he wasn't right, he was just like, eh,
00:20:10
Speaker
They didn't have it. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Keep going, Faith, because this is wonderful. This is not ninja kicking me in my brain at all. Yeah. I'm good. So Dr. Leslie, a Jewish doctor who is forced to work in the concentration camps, recounted a story where a set of Roma twins that were aged 14, awaited outside the dissection room.
00:20:32
Speaker
Dissection, guys. Yeah, so I was going to pause and say, die section room. 14-year-olds. Anybody remember dissecting the sharks or frogs or something as a child in, what, middle school, high school? I remember in high school, I did dissect a worm, and I had no part of that. It was my eighth grade year, I think. We had to do a shark and the whole building stung.
00:20:53
Speaker
Like the entire building. We were the last year they did shorts. I went to private Christian schools until high school and we didn't have the kind of funds for those things. Oh, so you're like, you're like that Richie rich little, no, no, we got a discount. Uh, but you know, in high school we dissected and we did a rat, which I know forms with.
00:21:17
Speaker
We also did an earthworm. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't do any kind of creepy crawly. Nope. I noped right out of that and made my lab partner do that. So kudos to him as he did it without squirming. And I was literally I just kind of sat there like, almost curious, but like, why? I don't I was not fit to be a doctor. I don't have that mindset. Okay, see now.
00:21:45
Speaker
Also, I'm sorry for what I'm about to say. I liked the dissection portion. Like when I went to nursing school, we got to do anatomy physiology. We did the cadavers and it was so interesting, like looking inside a human, but a live one or one freshly killed because that's what happened here. I would not care for that one that you killed would not care for that. Yeah, no.
00:22:09
Speaker
Um, anyway, so these normal, not so much normal. I know. I felt that even saying that I like looking at the cadavers because it's not that though. It's a really, I know. I know what you mean. So I know what you mean. Dr. Leslie recounted these, uh, the set of Roma twins, 14 waiting outside of the dissection and crying one at a time. Mingla had each child brought in and laid on the dissection table.
00:22:34
Speaker
where he injects- Okay, so they were all alive. Yep, they were alive. He injected them with a drug to knock them out and then administered chloroform directly into their hearts to kill them. And then did a dissection on their newly passed bodies to view the internal organs while they were still kind of working. What a great guy. I eat the worst. Yeah, okay. I'm sorry guys, I do tend to respond with sound effects.
00:23:03
Speaker
Well, get them ready. Besides Ruth's story, Ruth and her baby we told last week. She's still alive. I don't know if she's still alive or not. I didn't look that up. We'll have to look. We will. OK. This story, I feel like, just shows how evil this man was. I'm going to tell you a story about a 15-year-old girl named Evie Hillman, who was said to be strikingly beautiful.
00:23:32
Speaker
even with her head shaved. I'm assuming though, I'm assuming she was not of German descent. No, she was Jewish. She had her head shaved and she was in the prison garb. But she was said to be absolutely stunning. Even in the prison garb and with her head shaved. When she arrived at Auschwitz, she and several other females were forced to strip naked in order for Mandela to observe them. It was said that when Evie removed her clothes, even the guards could tell that Mingla was fascinated by her beauty.
00:24:02
Speaker
I'd have done some rump shaking and then a middle finger. Yeah, he was he was enamored by her and even the guards noticed it and that was something he could not stand for. Mingle? Yeah, they saw a weakness in him. So he sent her to Block 10. Block 10 is an infamous building where gynecological and reproductive experiments took place and hardly anyone survived.
00:24:29
Speaker
Weeks later, it was said that Evie could be seen wandering on the campground with a distended, bloated stomach and swollen limbs. She looked aged and withered, her enchanting beauty no longer an issue for Mengele. So we have no idea what he did to her. No. He had her tortured because she's beautiful and she thought she was beautiful. She had her tortured to where her body no longer interested him and then just let her wander until she died, I guess.
00:24:58
Speaker
because he couldn't. Well, yeah, he perceived as a long haired and blue freaking out. Yep. OK, so I and I'm sorry, guys, this is not going to be an hour long tonight because we did make it last night. It depends. Yeah, it depends on banter. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm going to read just a few statements I found. Number one, I think it is such an incredible statement.
00:25:24
Speaker
You can actually go to the Auschwitz, if you just Google the Auschwitz prison, they've got a website. Yes. I think they have, for lack of a better word, it's like a tourist place where you can actually go visit. It's a historical place that this is what they say on their website. It's legitimately the first thing on their website. And I think it's such, I just think it's such an insightful for them to even say it, I guess. Like an impact statement.
00:25:55
Speaker
It's common knowledge, but the fact that they acknowledge it I think is huge.
Survivors' Testimonies
00:25:59
Speaker
It says, the reflection of our own indifference. 77th anniversary of the liberalization of Auschwitz. But just it was a reflection on our own indifference. Because that's what it was. Yeah. So I'm just going to read through a few brief
00:26:19
Speaker
statements that were made by survivors. And I'm going to butcher some of the names, so I apologize. I'm going to try my best. Hooked on phonics will probably not work in this situation, but that's where we're at.
00:26:36
Speaker
We were pushed through the main gate, and once we entered through, we'd entered hell. There were bodies everywhere. There were these watch towers with machine guns pointing at us, this terrible gray ash falling all around us. There were barking dogs viciously walking around, and there were loudspeakers always. And these SS men walking around with shiny boots and guns on their back. I mean, we were just frightened out of our wits.
00:27:07
Speaker
like that's hell like they walked into hell no like legitimately there's no way there's nowhere for you to go no you can run but they're gonna either stick the dog on you or shoot you yeah which quite frankly at that point shoot me yeah shoot me that's kind of how i feel that is the most humane thing they did was shooting them and and that says a lot billy harvey stated
00:27:29
Speaker
When we first glanced out, it looked like a twilight zone. Big chimneys going into the sky, smoke going all over. Was that the gas chambers? We didn't know where the smoke was coming from, but we found out soon enough. The smoke was coming from the crematorium, where they were burning between 12,000 and 13,000 people a day. OK, so guys, now we're sitting in a situation where
00:27:52
Speaker
There's really no proof anymore. Like the Americans and the other people that came onto this land when the war stopped found bodies, like piles of bodies. I'm talking hundreds of thousands of people, bodies, like actual corpses. But we will never know how many they burned. No. And that's what if you think about
00:28:16
Speaker
For a Hornick station, he said this terrible gray ash falling all around us and on us. It was human. Human. Human ash. Ash from the bodies. Bill Harvey also stated who they wanted to stay alive, go to the right. Who was condemned to die, go to the left. Most of the children were bitterly crying, didn't want it to be separated from their mothers. So the young mothers went to the left, to the gas chambers. Wow. Yeah. Wow.
00:28:47
Speaker
Okay. One girl stated that when her mother was taken away, they said, you're going to see your mother very soon. She's just going to take a shower. What? Yeah. Bill Harvey, Billy Harvey also said, we are stripped from every inch of human dignity. They made us stripped completely naked, shaved our heads and gave us prisoner suits to wear.
00:29:16
Speaker
Edith Edgar, which this story, I don't know why this story gets me, but it does. And I think it just shows, and it's not even nearly comparable to Ruth's story, but it just shows like how some people can still be good in the worst circumstances. And it's, it's kind of a silly thing, but I don't, I don't know. I just had to share her story. So Edith Edgar said we were completely shaved and then we were, and then we were in our nakedness.
00:29:44
Speaker
And my sister asked me, how do I look? She said, you know Hungarian women, we can be quite vain. And I had a choice, realizing I became her mirror and said to her, you know, Magna, you have such beautiful eyes and I didn't see it with all your hair in the way.
00:30:01
Speaker
Oh, my God. I don't know why that got me, but just she said I was in the moment. No, but in the moment where they knew what was about to happen. Yeah. They still had love in their hearts for each other, Faith. And they still had a sense of freaking humor about it. Yeah. So that's just, you know, I've never noticed how beautiful your eyes were with all the hair in the way. And I just I don't know why. But I just love that little story. Oh, sorry, guys.
00:30:31
Speaker
Yes, I'm going to be fine. Actually, I'm almost done with statements, but they're rough. Edith also said, in Auschwitz, you couldn't fight because if you touch the guards, you were shot. Right in front of me, I saw that. You couldn't flee because if you touch the barbed wires, you were electrocuted. And when we took a shower, we didn't know whether the gas was coming out or water.
00:30:55
Speaker
So think back to that little girl that said, your mom's just going to shower. You'll see her soon. Was it water or was it gas coming out of the pipes? You don't know. I'm going to assume it was probably gas because most mothers were killed. That's sick. And they kept the children because they were more able-bodied to work longer. Yeah. Mindu Hornick also said very often would see Dr. Mengele walking around looking smart and shiny boots and always immaculate dress. And he would wear a pair of white leather gloves
00:31:25
Speaker
And anybody that didn't look well, he would wave and they would have to step out of line. And we never saw those people again. If you were feeling pale, this is the length they went to. If you were feeling pale or whatever you weren't feeling right, people would actually prick their fingers to draw blood and put it on their cheeks to make their cheeks look rosy. Like rub their own blood into their cheeks to make it appear like they had color so they weren't sent to death immediately. That's insane.
00:31:53
Speaker
Can you imagine that? No. Not even close. And guys, when she said pale, she meant pale. Yeah. She's got that southern thing. Yeah, sorry. Pale. Sorry. There you go. We got it. Edith also said, I danced for Dr. Mingala and he gave me a piece of bread. I shared it with everyone. We were, OK, sorry, this story too. We were a family of inmates. We had to care for each other. If you were just.
00:32:23
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If you were just for the me, me, me, you never made it. During one of the several death marches, when you were stopped and shot right away, I was about to stop. I couldn't go anymore. I was getting weaker and weaker and the girls that I shared the bread with formed a chair with their arms so they could carry me and I wouldn't be killed that day.
00:32:46
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And she was the one that told her sister about the eyes and she survived, but she was gonna give up. But the people that she shared, that little piece of bread after she danced, carried her with their weak crow bodies. So she wouldn't die that day. So guys, let's take a second. Sorry. No, you're fine. I'm gonna take a second. And just talk about humanity. Because we can all hate our neighbors. We can all hate.
00:33:16
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just hate in general, okay? But when push comes to shove, and we saw it with 9-11, we've seen it with- In Ukraine? In Ukraine, but no, we've seen it with Katrina, Hurricane Katrina, and mass destructions of the things that happen to other people and realizing at that moment, it's not just about me. And now I'm gonna get emotional a little bit, okay? And I'm not gonna cry because I don't know how to do that.
00:33:47
Speaker
But the moment that your neighbor stands for you and says, you're going to have to go through me. You're going to have to go through me. And that is such a limited feeling nowadays where I just don't feel like that same drive and that same
00:34:14
Speaker
cognitive response to things aren't exactly true anymore. No, because we're all so. Everybody is so self-consumed. And so. But like these this that group took that woman and they were like, not today, man. And I know not today seems to be very much of a statement for us. Yeah. But. But that's all you have is this day. Yeah. So it's not going to be tomorrow's never promised to you. No, never.
00:34:45
Speaker
So you can either go for the moment and be a hero or, or be a zero. And that's kind of where those people at that moment felt. They're like, no, we're heroes today, buddy. And that's what she said. You're all about me, me, me. You will never make it. And I feel like that's such a true statement today. If all you care about is yourself and me and my two and no more, or I think it's me and my four, no more, you lose out on such an enriching life. Agree.
00:35:10
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And there might be some soap boxes coming up here, guys, because the story is almost pretty much to an end at this point. Oh, again, I got one more. I got two more pieces for you. But just to state for the fact, to stand up for somebody else is not a bad thing, OK? And to be free with your own body, no matter what the cost, also not a bad thing. And that's why men and women go into war. Yeah. Because they say, you know what?
00:35:40
Speaker
It is my body, it is my choice, and I choose. Yeah. To fight an injustice. To fight an injustice, exactly. Well, I mean, it is simple. It's as simple as, and you know, I really like you because bullying is a problem. 100% agree with that bullies. Honestly, if you knock them down, usually teach them a lesson, but I don't promote violence. No, but I teach my, my, my child is in kindergarten and we teach her all the time. If someone is different.
00:36:07
Speaker
you better go out of your way. And if there's a lot of things, you know, we try to promote that we tell the truth no matter. If you don't lie to me, there might be a consequence, but you'll never get in trouble. But if I ever hear about you making fun of someone that's different. I agree. And I do the same thing with my son. You're like, it's your, your, your, your bigger trouble than you could ever match. But I also feel like I teach my son, like if somebody standing against you and bullying you, don't back down.
00:36:34
Speaker
And we also teach her that if someone else is being made fun of, you stand up for that person. Because they've probably been made fun of for a long time and they don't have any fight left in them. Because it's just as bad to sit down and watch that happen than to not save them. Well, how many Germans just not my fight, not my problem and look the other way? Yeah.
00:36:54
Speaker
It's like your story, shoulda, coulda, woulda, didn't. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't. First episode, guys, sorry. Yeah. And it's, but it's, I was bullied when I was a kid and I can remember that. Like I remember people just treating me like I was garbage. And the only, the only positive aspect that I had is that I was athletic. But I hated everybody so much because of the way they treated me that I didn't want to play ball with the rest of these girls because
00:37:21
Speaker
They were mean. Yeah, in my mind, they were douchebags. And so, you know, I may have failed in certain ways with my own drama, right? But at the same time, had one of those girls stood up and said, shut up, back off, I probably would have played ball. And kids are just mean, guys. Like, I don't think they're, I mean, the Nazis are bad, but pre-teenage girls are vicious. They are. They're brutal. I was one.
00:37:50
Speaker
I can't, I don't want to live through that with my child. She's going to live with my mom. I've already told her that. I remember what I was like to you. I can't live with that through mine. I want mine to like me. So she's going with you for that horrible period of time. But you know, back to the matter. So it's really just rearing in and being responsible enough to say not okay. But then you get one guy in charge, which was Adolf Hitler at that time, right? Yeah.
00:38:15
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And then you have these subsections of people who are also truly morbid and just freaking crazy. And he didn't smack that idea. He built it up. And he was like, I like your personality. I like that you're not bad. Crazy likes crazy. Crazy loves crazy.
00:38:42
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Yeah. Because it justifies your agenda and your rhetoric. Yeah. So you asked for a figure earlier. Yeah. I don't know that I want to know now. So according to the Washington Post, and this is not just Auschwitz. This is the entire Holocaust.
Holocaust Death Toll
00:39:01
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More than 6 million Jews were killed. That's just Jews. And approximately 5 million non-Jewish, including Roma, which was gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals,
00:39:13
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They were all killed. So that is approximately 11 million people. They were killed because they didn't look like or act like are fit into this nice little box that they thought they should. So you want to hear someone's really going to piss you off? No, not really. But OK, because you're going to. Am I in my in my opinion, this is your humble opinion. This is this is just.
00:39:42
Speaker
So when the concentration camps were liberated and these people were let go, obviously the Nazi higher-ups saw the writing on the
Mengele's Escape and Justice
00:39:55
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wall. They knew that they were fixing to lose the war. Yes. So they... Peaced out. Yeah. Like, grab my research, burn the rest of the research, and peaced out. Mengele was one of those. Deuces. He ran.
00:40:10
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It is stated that he, and they actually, they put together these hunting parties, I believe is what they called them, to go track down these Nazi, like higher ups, to bring them to justice. Like there's that one film, Inglorious Bastards, which is completely like over the top dramatization of the Nazi killers, the Nazi hunters. The Inglorious Fatherless Sons. Yes. So my brother caught it. I loved it. I'm sorry, but I will never say, sorry. I forgot about that. You're so funny.
00:40:39
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But, you know, they they hunted Mengele. Yeah. And so they hunted Hitler. Yeah. Well, Mengele, he was in, I believe it was Buenos Aires. Yeah. And he was still practicing medicine. But he escaped after the death of a girl that he performed an abortion on happened and he escaped. And it was like that day or the next day that the hunters were at the place he was staying. No kidding. So close.
00:41:06
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OK, so do you want to know how how what Mingle is into us? Oh, please tell me it was natural causes and he lived his life out. Just as it that's I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What do you say into the mic? But he what he did. He lived until a monkey. He changed names several times. He died at the ripe old age of 70 something from a stroke while he was swimming in the ocean. Yeah.
00:41:34
Speaker
Did sharks get him? Nope, he was buried with dignity and someone finally figured out who he was pretending to be and they did unearth the bones. Okay. And ran DNA tests and it's still like they're still looking at it. Did they throw the bones into a chipper at least? Just to make sure that, like if there was gonna be defilement of anybody, like I needed it to be this guy. No, I wanted him to be tried.
00:41:58
Speaker
And I, you know, I just, the vengeful side of me felt like he should be experimented on. Everything he did to other people should have been done to him. Right. Well, did he, is his bones in existence still? Yeah. Cause they're still running tests. Like they're not a hundred percent that it is. I was wondering though, like, cause we did the most. This is totally, can we sign a petition? Right. And just, just mock his body and the general public of like, Hey,
00:42:23
Speaker
I'll just bring his bones. You are a horrible human being. Bring the bones to a zoo. Yeah. And let the animals chew on them. Yes. And digest them. Absolutely. Through the entire intestinal tract they go. Yep. And then he turns out like the piece of shit he was. Sorry. Sorry. I'm not sorry. I don't feel bad. But I might need to edit that. That's fine. And if you have to, that's fine. But you've really gotten me triggered tonight. But the fact that he died of natural causes while vacationing and swimming in the ocean.
00:42:54
Speaker
And continuing and continuing to practice this same just nonsense. Yeah. That he was doing. That was how he died. After all. At least Willow was nice enough to kill himself. Where's the frickin karma in that? The karma is he's going to burn in hell like for the rest of existence. But I mean, he got to live.
00:43:20
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And he actually, remember his wife, his wife, I told you about the first episode where he married her, but the kids are not. So after they, what he ended up marrying a sister-in-law, his dead brother's wife, because she could get the papers. No way. Oh yeah. There's some crazy things. Now he changed names so often that they weren't like sure, but that's what it was reported. But yeah, died of a nice old age, just swimming in the beach and no one deserved it less.
00:43:49
Speaker
Oh, my goodness. So that that I really just hope the flames are hot on that guy. Hmm. I mean, he's and I didn't even like scratch the surface. No, I know. I mean, that was a high level overview. Anybody, anybody who has ever done any kind of research on either one of our world wars that has done in depth research, like the things that they were doing to prisoners and the people that were capturing is so just
00:44:19
Speaker
Like, I don't know another word other than you have to be sick. Like, you have to be sick. And that's a very, like, deluded word to describe it. Well, honestly, he was born in the perfect time for his crazy blossom. Yeah. If he'd been born today, he'd be a serial killer. Yeah. Like, hands down. And that's what I'm saying about, like, maybe a lot of these dictators, like, they are just too smart.
00:44:49
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Yeah, just that special brand of crazy and intelligence that can lead people, which honestly, it doesn't take a lot to lead the masses. You have a strong enough voice that you're passionate about, that you yell loud enough and everyone will follow. Yeah, and like, I mean, you think about all these, like the Waco, perfect example of people just looking for something to fulfill them.
Helpers of the Holocaust
00:45:17
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Like people want to belong. They want to. They want to be included. So you got someone that's saying, come with me. You can be part of my team. Yeah. You're going to go. And then all of a sudden you look back and hopefully think, my God. What was I thinking?
00:45:38
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There was never, and you know, I really want, and maybe I'll do like a part three at some point, like I've got to take a break from the Holocaust, but I'd kind of like to do some of the people that helped. Yeah. Because there were a lot of people that said, this is wrong. Yeah. And I'm going to do something about it. Yeah. Like the people that hit in Frank and her family and the other families up. Yeah. You know, there were a lot of people that stepped up. There's a story, not only that, but like what happened to some of these German scientists.
00:46:05
Speaker
Yeah. In saying, hey, guys, we're going to sneakily bring you into the United States and other places because we are fully aware that you're super smart. Yeah. So maybe maybe in January.
00:46:18
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When, when it's like the national Holocaust remembrance, we'll do like a positive side of the Holocaust. Like by positive, I just mean the people who said, Hey guys, these are other people. This is wrong. I'm going to do something. Yeah. Maybe we should do something like that. Yeah. Like the positivity, the way it ended, this succeeding of one moral against another moral saying this is incorrect.
00:46:44
Speaker
And the people knew the people that helped knew that they were risking their lives and their family. Yeah, they didn't let fear dictate their act. And, you know, I had a I had a really hard time because while this is a true crime podcast and we typically talk about the serial killers, I always want to make sure to really highlight the victims. And I had a really hard time that I highlighted Mengele too much. It's not it's not even just that. Like it's it's when you come to a guy like that. He's not just a serial killer.
00:47:13
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He was in fact a serial killer, but he was a power beyond the normal society, right? So he was government and he was twisted and he was sick and he was
00:47:31
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And he had the ability to pick and choose who lived and who died. And how many times in his life did he get to do that? A lot. Yeah. And someone, one of the stories I was listening to and preparing for all this said something so simple but profound. And I 100% agree with it. And I meant to bring it up at some point. I forgot. So I'll throw it out there now. Yeah. We talk about the fact that he did all these medical experiments. And he was a doctor.
00:47:59
Speaker
And the guy who said it was a doctor, he said, I just want to say these were not medical experiments. This was not advancing science. These were war crimes that he stated were, and that's what it was. This wasn't anything to advance civilization. This was him playing God and torturing people for his own sick amusement. There were so many things that I had read in when I was in college and doing just kind of different whatevers.
00:48:27
Speaker
But they actually the majority of what we know about hypothermia. Yeah. Came from Hitler. Yeah. Because that's how he was torturing his victims. He would do it with men of all ages. I'm talking guys all ages. Oh, yeah. Because he wanted to see what like what state how long would they actually survive from, you know, men, women, children, elderly. Just like the baby. How long would the baby go without food? Like the things that they
00:48:55
Speaker
I mean, yeah, we got information, but at what cost? People's lives and surely their souls. Yeah. Like he is the prime example, Mengele? Mengele? Mengele. There's a lot of pronunciations. Mengele was the most common that I heard. He's like the prime example of a mob who should have swallowed. Oh, Lord. Or been spit into a napkin. Oh, guys, I'm sorry.
00:49:25
Speaker
Oh, no, you're nothing to see. Sorry, sorry, sorry. But really, it would have been better. It would have been better. Yeah, well, for a lot of people. But I mean, on the flip side of that, if Mengele hadn't done this, someone else would have. It was at the same time the concentration camps were going on. There was in Japan, they were like,
00:49:54
Speaker
putting people through different gas chamber things and how the gas fumes affected them on their on their prisoners of war. So it's not like I said, it's not like this is new. There's a story from early, early days where they basically gave syphilis to an entire population in America because they were. But if they all have protected sex, then I'm kidding. I'm sorry. I'm trying to bring some kind of humor into the just.
00:50:20
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of depression. Yeah, that we're sitting in right now because and it was so like I didn't go like super super in depth because honestly you can't it's a lifelong study of the things that we know and the things that have been reported and reported like there's so much like just listening to one survivors story from the time they entered the concentration camp everything they went through to afterwards like it's it's
00:50:45
Speaker
And it still goes on today. Yeah. I mean, it was about the Congo. The things that Ukraine is definitely a huge one. That's in stories. But like if you're if you're anybody who watches news or researches any kind of anything, the things that go on in the Congo are so jacked up. And like. Guys, like this is not this isn't a new idea. No. And it's never been a new idea. This has been going on since the dawn of time. I wish it was an extinct idea.
00:51:14
Speaker
Amen to the head. Like my soapbox on our very first episode. Why is it that we care more about how animals are treated than we care about other humans are treated? I could not agree more. And you know what? If you can't play nice, just play alone. Yeah. Like if you can't be nice to those around you, just go off in the wilderness, be by yourself and don't be surrounded by people. But again, we're going right back to the whole selfish self.
00:51:42
Speaker
enhancing that's wrong word what am i looking for i'm not sure we're just we're your own agenda yeah it's your own agenda it's the fact how do i get there's no loyalty there's no real true friendship because friendship can be shattered because you drop somebody's you know glass cup that they had from their grip like come on yeah if i could stay friends with you people could
00:52:08
Speaker
put up with a lot. That's awesome. That's a great statement. You can see the look that I'm giving her right now. I'm only still friends with her because she's married to my brother and I like him. Yeah. That's not true either. That's not true. I'm the better out of the two of us. Me and your brother. So that's my story and that's what I got for you. You know what guys?
00:52:37
Speaker
It is so much fun to sit here and just talk, like even if nobody listens to just have communication and a relationship with somebody else and have the mutual things in common, not even just mutual, but because me and Faith have argued so many points in the last couple episodes of just, uh, help me out here, Faith.
00:53:00
Speaker
Things that I think are maybe not so decent that Faith is like, well, I can understand. And there are things that she said that I'm like, I don't understand. And it's having a mutual relationship with somebody where I can disagree with you and I can still sit next to her and do this podcast without like throat chopping her. You did try to hit me earlier. I flinched at you. That's a difference. It's a big, big difference.
00:53:26
Speaker
It's just having a mutual respect. You don't have to agree with everything the other person says. Exactly. But you still get things out of a relationship, like a free babysitter when I need one. Well, I don't really get much out of this relationship. Yes, you do. Other than. I'm one of your only two friends. That's a good point. I don't like people. Me and Destiny. Shout out to Destiny. What's up with you two? Shout out to just naming off people that may not be involved in a podcast.
00:53:58
Speaker
And I want to encourage everyone this week that listens, all 422 of you, um, if you want to like us, great. If you want to share us, great. But I encourage you to do something nice for someone else that you get nothing out of. Like literally whether something as easy as holding the door open for someone that has their hands full off now at the grocery store or
00:54:22
Speaker
You know, a smile is contagious. If you see someone's struggling or upset, smile. Tell them to have a great day. Just do something that might make you a little uncomfortable, but could truly impact someone else's day. It doesn't have to be big. It doesn't have to involve money. It can literally be as nice as, hey, love your shirt. You look nice today on a Monday to a co-worker. OK, guys, she looked at me, but it wasn't- She's not wearing a nice shirt. It was not toward me. And so I'm kind of sitting here wondering,
00:54:51
Speaker
When, when will you ever say something nice to me? When I said, Hey, do you want to help me do a podcast? And I included you. Hey, you remember that one time where I punched you in the face and you forgave me the next day, you know, I'm not inherently really super nice person.
00:55:14
Speaker
Shocker I know but I'm pretty I like to keep people on their toes. I didn't know I you know I like to keep people on their toes iron sharpens If I'm just happy go lucky you get me you get me ready for battle so I Keep everybody ready. Yeah, make these look the super super bubbly one and I'm all kind of like just very makes inappropriate comments and anger
Encouragement for Kindness
00:55:36
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Yeah but you know what I will also buy a meal for somebody behind me in McDonald's or give you know to the homeless or give a 21 campaign I donate to them as soon as I can every time. Fantastic campaign which we will talk about at some point. We will um anyway yeah that that's the main thing is it instead of liking us or sharing us I ask that you be nice to someone that you get nothing from and you do not
00:56:01
Speaker
It doesn't have your suitcase, go out of your comfort zone, say something nice, smile, do something that you would normally just walk past. I'm the exact opposite. I say, please like us. Well, I mean, it'd be nice if you did, but if you're only going to do one of the other, that could be your nice thing. Cause it makes us feel really good, but you don't have to. I would just really, cause it's, I don't even really want to be popular. I just, I don't care less about that. I don't need the likes from Facebook to feel accomplished.
00:56:27
Speaker
I just want to know that we're not sitting on the porch with a microphone talking to each other. Who cares? Someone else is watching our children. We could just do that. That's a good point. Yeah. This has been a two hour spree where we had to pay attention.
00:56:43
Speaker
We'll just have to start making up numbers and being like, hey, babe, I got a million people listening to me. Oh, really? You're making no money. No, no. Not doing anything. It can't be just an even number like that. It has to be, we have 1,987.2. Yeah. That way he has to keep watching the kids. Exactly. And they can't get mad at us because, you know, people listen. Right. Because it's a good point. Yeah, because we're good. So see, it doesn't matter if people listen to us or like us because we're going to lie.
00:57:10
Speaker
But seriously, last time I'm bringing it up, it's a ripple effect. Because you make someone's day better and they turn around and make someone else's day better. Y'all in a nutshell, don't be a douchebag. Yeah, just be a person. There are so many confrontations that could be avoided just by simply being like, okay bro, and walking away. Yeah.
00:57:36
Speaker
Be a good human. You guys wait for my podcast in the next week. Not this coming or the week after, but the week after. Maybe two weeks. But it'll be the next week when they hear this. Right.
00:57:49
Speaker
I'm just saying, no wait for it because it's going to change your mind about how to be nice to people and maybe possibly learning how to keep your mouth shut. It's like I think it was Dane Cook that said you always give a snicker to the grumpy guy at work because when he comes in, he skips you because he's like, ah, you gave me a snicker. Yeah, you gave me a snicker. All right, we've gone way off topic. Yeah, way off topic, but it was a good time and we enjoy it.
00:58:15
Speaker
Y'all again, seriously, if you have any kind of feedback or just kind of letting us know like where we might be falling short, I know we've had a lot of issues with volumes between Faith and I.
00:58:28
Speaker
We have better equipment now. Yeah, we're trying and we don't really know what we're doing. That's why there's no music intros because we can't figure it out. No. Well, it's not that we can't figure it out. It's that we want the free things and I'm not willing to pay for anything. And so that's why the editing is not good because I don't know how to do it. I can do a music intro. We can be like. Do do do do. I'm not going to do that. I'm done. OK. But what I'm saying is.
00:58:58
Speaker
I did it again! Good girl, Lisa! Pat my head. Look, I'll compliment you. Way to go on not being a filthy sailor. Oh. Oh, it makes me feel not so great because there are so many words to describe this man. But I edited it myself. It was a lot of digits. It was a lot of digits. Only because...
00:59:24
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All right, I'm going to cut her off because that's less editing. And I already talked about how I'm very bad at editing. So thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. Like and share, just the tales. And like I said, there's going to be a lot of resources that we're going to put out on Instagram and Facebook throughout the week. Just for solving this, I found some really horrifically insightful maps on each state, how much people actually know about the Holocaust.
00:59:53
Speaker
It is ridiculous how little people know, like, about, oh. So I've just got some interesting things I'm gonna share through the week. I mean, the only time you can really know anything about the Holocaust is if you do research for yourself. Yeah, yeah. Like, even in school, like, when they were teaching it, it's very bare minimum, because nobody really wants to go in-depth with grade school children, because- Because it rips your soul out. No, it's gruesome and disgusting, and you don't wanna teach kids, you know, one through 10,
01:00:21
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Yeah. This is what people do to each other, you know. So anyway, have a fantastic week. Be kind to everyone and just disregard the things Lisa said that offended you. Sorry. Thanks so much. Not sorry. Bye. Peace.