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Dean Karnazes | History Defeats Itself #111
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Dean Karnazes, known as the Ultramarathon Man, does some crazy things. How crazy? In 2005 he ran 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep. Why, you ask? Hell if we know. But we have plenty to say about it in the latest episode.
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Humorous Bumper Sticker and Podcast Introduction
00:00:00
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There was, I was, uh, the driving home the other day and I was behind this car and it was this, you know, I don't know, 18 year old kid or whatever. And, uh, he had a, he had a bumper sticker that just said, vegetarian. I saw, I've seen bumper stickers that say, I eat ass.
00:00:26
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Do you have a mom? Not not as clever as vegetarian. You know, vegetarian is good. But you know what? It's so direct. You got to respect it. Yeah, you got to respect who's who's going to get in that car. It takes a special someone.
00:00:49
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History Defeats Itself is a comedy podcast. Kevin, John and Greg are not experts, historians, or even all that smart.
00:01:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to History Defeats Itself. I don't like the way you said hello. That sounded artificial. Hello. That better. Yes. And welcome to History Defeats Itself. My name is Kevin Rosenquist. Thank you for joining us. We are a podcast that looks at people and events in the past and wonders why humans, us as humans, never learn from our history.
Tina Turner's Legacy and Social Media Promotion
00:01:22
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Of course, every week I am joined by two men who will undoubtedly be watching Mad Max be on Thunderdome tonight in honor of the late great Tina Turner, John Banks and Greg Mitchell. Wait, let's go. Turner died. Tina Turner died. She passed away today. Yes. I would explain your low grade fever with it. No, not at all. But maybe he's having like a fever because it's like a morning fever. Hmm.
00:01:51
Speaker
It could be. Oh, like morning. Oh, gotcha. Like apparently apparently love has a lot to do with my fever. That's true. Love does. Yeah. Well, John, we don't need another hero. No, we don't. We don't. I think you should just be a private dancer and just relax tonight as you go down that midnight train to Georgia. That's not bad. Not bad. Yeah.
00:02:14
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Follow us on social media. We're on your dancing on the scene. Hey guys, we should we should get this rolling all sorts of stuff. Don't you like the way I threw the dancing in this on the ceiling? I did. I did. That was not Tina Turner. Not at all. But she could have. Yeah. She might be doing that now. Maybe that's what heaven is. Dancing on the ceiling. Is that D bag still alive?
00:02:40
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Uh, he's probably not. And I don't think he actually goes by D bag Ike. Are you sure? Are you sure? I don't think that refers to himself. I think that was part of the court order against him, but he had to change his name to D bag Ike. So Tina, pretty sure she kept her name. Pretty sure.
Aging and Health: A Lighthearted Chat
00:02:56
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Yeah. How are you guys doing? I did. I did the social media thing before. I'm all out of order. How are you guys doing?
00:03:02
Speaker
I'm good. I mean, I know how you're doing because we are. We talked for like 20 minutes. I am. I am very saddened by the news of Tina Turner. I really didn't know that's about 83, though. Not a bad, not a bad life. You know, I mean, we can only hope we can only hope given how much we hope you die at 83, Kevin. I mean, you know, it's interesting thing. I don't know if that's if that's a compliment, if that's like being positive or negative. I don't.
00:03:28
Speaker
Well, it's negative for you, positive for me. Well, no, it's positive because, like, I mean, let's be honest.
Quirky Dog Names and Personal Anecdotes
00:03:34
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Do any of us think I'm going to live that long? No. Yeah. So I think not with that piece, the skin. Yeah. Well, I mean, I feel like I feel like I'm very red because I'm overheating in this in this in this room. I feel like cirrhosis is going to get you by the time you're 74. I'll take 74 cirrhosis is the name of his of his new dog. Alcoholism. I mean, what?
00:03:59
Speaker
I don't know what weird thing to name your dog. Well, cirrhosis or alcoholism. Come here, alcoholism. Come here. Okay. Good boy. Such a good problem. You know, just because you took one day off drinking, Greg does not mean you get to work in front of me. I worked for, I didn't even tell you what happened in the evening. Yeah, you did. You took a nap.
00:04:25
Speaker
No, that was today. This happened yesterday. I went out to dinner with a bunch of checks and we went for sushi. And then I got fucked up baller again on Saki. Did you have a lot of Pilsner or Kells, too? No. Who got the check? Which checks love that shit?
00:04:44
Speaker
Um, so my old, uh, I used to bill it a kid that was from check and he's 25 now. And he came back with his dad for a visit and it was, we had an awesome time. And then I also have a friend that's from check, uh, my son and his son play hockey together and have for, since for the last 10 years. And the guy from the dad from check can't speak any English.
00:05:07
Speaker
But he does this really cool thing when you take a shot with him where he has to look you deep in the eyes. And it's just it turns you into kind of like this where he looks into your soul every time you say cheers. It's what do they say? What do they say? He said cheers. He said cheers. OK, yeah.
00:05:27
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Cause I have, I have a buddy who's Polish and he says, uh, oh God, what is it? I forget what it is. It checks a tough
Running Culture and Societal Norms
00:05:36
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language. Like he was saying some stuff to you and I can't remember what the hell it was. Yeah. I feel like any language that's not English for me is a tough language. Yeah.
00:05:45
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And sometimes for you, English is pretty tough. Let's, let's be honest. Let's be honest. If I have to read it. Oh man. I just have to speak it and not say the word Massachusetts. Yeah. You're, you're, you're fairly decent at conversational English. Not really. Nope. He's not.
00:06:04
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Let's get a beer group beer growing I am I was looking at some of the older posts and this thing is really in the light It's really it's it's it's a lot bigger than it was four months ago. It's disturbing. Yeah How do you look when you're running like you go for dogs? Just imagine it looks just like a beard floating down the sidewalk
00:06:22
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I live must be terrified. I love like see you doing this guy coming after me. And there's the subway and then there's like these greats and basically when the subway goes, it's like pushes air up and so the air. So if you're walking this great, it literally like it floats up. And I'm like, oh, my God, do you wear like like cargo points, cargo pants that haven't been like washed in like two years and radio T-shirts and stuff? Because people really might call the cops on you if you did that.
00:06:49
Speaker
I mean, no, I smoke a lot of crack while you're running. Yeah, just walking around just in general. I got my I got my running crack and I got my walking around. So. It's it's funny because oh, oh, I have to pee. I don't know why I didn't do this before. All right. I'm going to get amongst yourselves. I thought he's going to be really upset because I said crack. He's pretty sensitive. I know. Look at the other shorts. OK, I got to get a drink. I'll be right back.
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you
00:08:16
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I'm back first, not second or third. It's first. I'm in first place. Yeah. Hey everybody out there. Listen to the sound. Oh, for all us ASMR people, that was heaven. Okay. Here comes the first step. First steps. Always the best. Here we go.
00:08:46
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It was good. Kevin, it was good. You're walking back. You look like you're wearing leather shorts and you're about to sit down. It's weird that you have an erection in shorts. Nobody likes that. Hey, Kevin. Hey, John, I wasn't saying weird things about either one of you guys. I don't know why I didn't go before the episode, but here we are. So thank you.
00:09:09
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I hope you took it out on that toilet by not flushing. Fuck you, toilet. Fuck you, toilet. You just sit in my urine. Hey, do you guys ever notice that a toilet is just literally a seat that you defecate into?
00:09:22
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Like you don't do that with any other furniture. Well, if my couch had water in it with piping, I would probably shit in my couch. The piping is more key than the water. I feel like the water does help, though, I guess. Yeah, you want that. You want the shit to leave and go as far as possible away. So what's the most? I don't know. Efficient way for that to happen for my poop to be as far away from me as humanly possible. Yeah.
00:09:47
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What's the George Carlin bit where he's just like, why do you say take a shit? You don't take a shit. You leave a shit. Yeah. I have been doing it wrong. Like I've got quite the collection.
00:09:59
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in my butt. It's hard to get in there, but once you get used to it, no problem. Oh man. I started, I started taking a thesis. Hey, by the way, we started the show. So this is in the show. Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. Go
Philosophical Humor: When Good Becomes Too Much
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ahead. You started thinking what thesis it's like a, it's like a neurotropic. It was like supposed to help with focus and it actually does. It really does. But God damn it. Fucks my stomach up. You know what? Fucks my stomach. Oh,
00:10:24
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Light-yism. No. I believe that. I believe that. Climate and digestion. Yeah. Those are the two worst parts about being a Jew. A lot of Courtney's friends have IBS. I should have been a Jew because I don't got a great stomach. I don't either. I used to have a phenomenal stomach. Oh, God, in my teenage years. I had acid reflux, but that was all up here. My stomach was great.
00:10:53
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I used to, I went to the summer camp once. I didn't take a shit for over two weeks. Like legitimately. Yeah. Did you like tear your sphincter? I shit a leg. Was it someone else's leg? Well, it was a poop leg. It didn't get it back. I have that one in my museum. It was like a 3d printed it.
00:11:24
Speaker
I'm going to have to figure out how I'm going to edit all this back back together because I don't know if any of that is. I don't know. Put it all in. I don't know. It sounds like three eight year olds are talking. Oh, all of a sudden, Mr. Highbrow guy. One time I was at summer camp and I didn't shit for two and a half weeks. This is unpublishable.
00:11:45
Speaker
I'm the one that said and I don't have a problem with it. We've set a standard that we have to live up to. You're right. Now, I'm proud of Greg, though. I don't think he's talked about penises once yet. Well, because we're talking about poop. So that's literally he's 13. What do you want? Sure. If you think about it, they're kind of shaped the same. Oh, OK. All right. I don't know how exactly how I'm editing all this together. However, we're just going to say.
00:12:12
Speaker
Let's get going. Let's start. Greg, it's your turn. Let's hear it, buddy. Did you do social media, social media, social media? Did you do all that social media stuff, Kevin?
00:12:21
Speaker
I think I said, yeah, I said that we're on social media stuffs. Follow some instant talk. You guys know the things. And if you're on one of the things and we're not there, it's because we hate you. That's the only that could be the only reason. You know, you're twenty five. Our video, we have video episodes on YouTube and more people are checking those out these days, so they must think we're handsome. That's all I can say. You are. You do. You do funny. I'm the funny looking one. Well,
00:12:48
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That's true. Oh, yeah, I don't have a building 100% agreement with Greg. Yeah, I'm definitely the hot one. I disagree. We have the ugliest podcast. We have faces for radio. Yeah, that's for sure. That's for sure. I'm going to start. Yes,
Dean Karnazes: The Ultra-Marathon Legend
00:13:09
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you should. I feel really hurt. I don't. I can't stop thinking about Johnny Cash.
00:13:18
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Did he have a Facebook right here? All right, let's go Greg, go. Oscar Wilde. I started it. Oscar Wilde is known for saying everything in moderation, including moderation. I've always loved that quotation because it forgives us for being human. Sure, you shouldn't be half in the bag 24 seven, but every once in a while you gotta say fuck it and go on a bender.
00:13:44
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So let me pose this question to you fine gentlemen. Do you think that there can ever be too much of a good thing? No. Yes.
00:13:59
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Okay. Well, would you like us to do something in town? Let's ruminate. Let's remain made about that and just pick it up in a second. Cause sometimes when they ask you a question right off the bat, you guys aren't really ready to talk about it. And that's what it seemed like. Um, so I can honestly say that I do think that there is too much of a good thing with one exception and that's Mexican food because I could eat that every day. I love Mexican food. I could, I love Mexican food too. It doesn't always love me.
00:14:30
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Yeah, well, that's your in your little tummy problems. Yeah, I get that. I think that's just called training, Kevin. Let's just push through the pain so you get to the other side.
00:14:43
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I don't know how long it's gonna take to get the other side, but I got 44 years of rough shits going, so. Yes, I am including when I was like a month old. Tiramisu, I can eat that shit every day, six times a day. We've talked about the tiramisu thing. Yeah, that's a weird thing that you wanna fucking stick with. It's delicious. It is delicious, but man, it's tiramisu. See, I think you're gonna get sick of it.
00:15:12
Speaker
that disagree i think you're saying i'm not saying i'm not saying i'm right i take it back i would get sick of it i'm saying you're right like okay so too much of a good thing like i i was once in an orgy that that wasn't bad that was a pretty cool good thing okay okay but if there but if there were
00:15:32
Speaker
If there was a lot of people in it, maybe it would become or if that was all you were ever doing. Yeah. What if it never ended, John? And you're like, it goes from heaven to hell pretty quickly. Yeah. You're like, I just want Mexican food and I just I'm getting plowed in the ass right now. That's not an option. I'm getting pegged.
00:15:51
Speaker
I like how you both assume I'm getting fucked in the ass. Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. John, are you getting fucked in the ass? Yeah. Like everybody's getting fucked in the ass. Oh, everybody is? Yeah. So it's like a train. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, it's, you know.
00:16:10
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I think it also, if I, if I may get philosophical on you guys, I think it also depends on your definition of good because good can mean a lot of different things as in like, gotta get off. No, no, no, no. Just think about it for a second. I'm a heady foodie. Okay. Go ahead. Sorry. What does this have to do with food? I don't know. Like you brought, you brought up, you brought up the bender thing or you think about, um, you know, drugs or any sort of thing that makes you feel really good. That's good. But
00:16:39
Speaker
Damn it. I still hate that John found the chat box. Um, but seriously, though, sorry, I had it. Sorry, it's seven up. Yeah, no, no, we heard. We all know you. Just because you put your shirt over your face does not make make it unable to be heard. Maybe it would make it so the viewers who were watching the video didn't know who did it. Did it work? You know, it's an audio podcast, too. That would have made more sense to go that route.
00:17:09
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Well, yeah, but but back to my philosophy, I think that it really does because not everything that's that is this good in the moment is good for you. So like, you know, there can be too much of a good thing, you know, you brought up Mexican food. I mean, Mexican food is amazing. You can't eat it every day, all day, like all the time. You would that was not be not good for you.
00:17:32
Speaker
Wait, are you trying to tell me that the country of Mexico is having a problem? I said all day, all the time. Like, you can't do that. Well, I don't think you're supposed to eat all the time all day when you're hungry. But I'm saying too much of a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. At some point, like you could you could just keep going. You can't just keep going. I'm like, if you have a burrito and I must be a real contrarian because Kevin is stating exactly my argument and I'm fighting just because it's coming out of his head.
00:18:01
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You're just pissed because I made your argument. I'm just pissed because, yeah, I don't like that. Yeah. But I mean, I think, you know, again, I think it depends on your definition of good. But I definitely think that there can be too much of a good thing. And that's true because you're I'm sorry, I cut you off, John. But I think it also depends on, you know, because Kevin and I talked about this, we both smoked for a long time. And for me, it was like it was worth quitting because of just the way it made me feel and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
00:18:28
Speaker
But but smoking was awesome. Yeah. Well, I mean, amazing. I guess I guess that like the fear of cancer and the dying stroke, heart attack part was greater for me than the nicotine. Right. But some people, you know, if you have the right kind of brain, there's nothing better in the world than that cigarette or if you're an alcoholic, there's nothing better. So it's like, yeah, or the wrong kind of brain.
00:18:49
Speaker
Well, yeah, yeah, but but it is like killing you. But also if you're getting like, because that's it's dope, you know, you're just getting pleasure. Look, man, I don't understand why this story is going on. If you have all these pleasure chemicals that are going off all the time. Give a drink of beer. So it's like I know we say it's bad because we look at that person like, oh, they're they're flushing the left on the toilet. But but they're also why they're drinking their experience and bliss. Yeah. Right. So it's like even if it's killing them, it's still great for them.
00:19:19
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it could be it could be we're going down a weird path but to make your to further your point who are we to say what's good or not and right as a society we could say something's really bad like cocaine but when you're doing cocaine and and it's got a grip on you forget cigarettes like you're like yeah let me tell you a great example you go heroin you do it there's a lot of different thing I mean there's there's you know if you're in that moment then you're
00:19:45
Speaker
And there's nothing bad about it. Don't get to the orgy without cocaine. Right. Right. Yeah, that's the only way to let John in. Yeah. Did you bring the cocaine? Of course I did. All right, come on in. I guess take off your pants. Nobody look at this. Take off your plants and get in all fours because someone's about to peg you. I was pegged by a person named Peggy. Well, cool. That's that's a nice third grade joke.
00:20:15
Speaker
Oh, what did you go to? Yeah, they were not talking about pegging in third grade for me. No. All right, guys, we ended up having a conversation. I didn't know that we were going to, but I'm going to just go ahead and read this next part because I wrote it. So why not? You show me the hottest, most attractive, best looking, smartest, funniest, most charismatic person out there, and I can just show you that someone is sick of fucking them.
00:20:40
Speaker
Oh, ooh, I backfired. Yeah, you're in trouble because I was hoping one of you was going to raise their hand. It just happens. I'm not saying that they never will have sex with you again.
00:20:55
Speaker
But, you know, you got to do a lot of work to change things up. That's why there's role-playing. That's why there's new positions. That's why maybe sometimes people are swingers or people have open relationships because you're trying to keep a relationship fresh, new, and you want to be stimulated and interested in your partner or maybe someone else. This episode really is about pegging, isn't it? It is about pegging.
00:21:19
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So why am I bringing this up? Because I found someone special. And no, I'm not talking about John Banks. I found him a long time ago. It's not like it just occurred to me. Someone so dedicated to his hobby that he is almost inhuman. I would say nay, superhuman.
00:21:41
Speaker
Today, we will be discussing ultra marathon man, Dean Carnezis. I love Dean Carnezis. Carnezis, yeah. Those people are nuts. Oh, they're fucking completely cray cray. So I'm excited to hear about John's opinion about him. He's the dude that runs in the water bubble, right? For training?
00:22:08
Speaker
Dude, he sure as fuck does. He's a guy that runs. No, no, it is exciting. He runs a marathon to go run a marathon so he can go run a marathon. He runs a marathon while Kevin's pouring a beer. Isn't is ultra marathon 15 mile or 50 K. What is the ultra marathon again?
00:22:28
Speaker
He breaks all fucking rules because he's ultra marathon man. No, but there is an ultra marathon distance. What is the distance? I think it's a hundred miles. How many? A hundred. Oh, shit. It's a hundred miles. I know he he actually this dude runs to the fucking marathon. He runs and then they start running. So let me start telling you some stuff. I'm going to start with a quote from his website.
00:22:51
Speaker
He's named by Time Magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world. Dean Carnazes, I hope I'm saying that right, sorry Dean, I know you're listening because you're that kind of freak that listens to this podcast, has pushed his body. It doesn't say all that on his website. So I'm sorry, but an ultra marathon can be 50k, 100k, 50 miles or 100 miles.
00:23:14
Speaker
Yes, he's doing he doesn't listen to the shit, man, because you're going to get it. We're going to need some numbers to set up a cage match between him and Wim Hof. Can we do it? It's funny because I've mentioned Wim Hof in this fucking in my at the end, but not flatteringly because, you know, I hate that. You do not like him for no reason. I've been taking showers. I did see my buddy McKay the other day. I haven't seen him in years. Oh, how's he doing?
00:23:41
Speaker
He might go to like fucking Norway and train to be a, like a Wim Hof guy. Why haven't you, I want constant updates on this. This just happened like two days ago. Well, good. I'm glad I'm learning about it. Okay. Okay. If it happened, like, you know, I apologize for not texting you. Yeah, you should have maybe given my number and we can, I want to talk to him. No, I don't want to talk about his fucking name.
00:24:11
Speaker
I realize it's not his fault, but all right. So Carneas is pushes body and mind to inconceivable limits. Among his many accomplishments are he's run 50 marathons in all 50 U.S. states in 50 consecutive days. I did hear about this guy. I did hear about this guy. Yeah. How is that? How how how do you get on an airplane to get on? But still like to have the oh, I don't know.
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah. He's run across Death Valley in the middle of summer and he's run a marathon to the South Pole. Yeah. I just, well, before we like get into this guy and how great he is, let's not forget about Forrest Gump. That guy ran for like two and a half years. So every day, you know?
00:24:55
Speaker
I'm always wants to point out the beard guys. I was going to say he just envious of his beard. That's that. There's like a there's like a club, you know, it's like a great club. And you two patchy bastards are in it. Do you call us patchy? Yeah, patchy. I'm just assuming the reason you don't go beards because they come in patchy.
00:25:13
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Oh, yeah, no, no, Kevin and I definitely wanted to look homeless and we were. Yeah, I want to just completely get rid of all self-respect as well, but I just can't do it because of my patching this. Yeah, I love your definition of success, John. Fantastic.
00:25:26
Speaker
I know you're making fun of me, but, but I don't care. Cause it all just gets caught in a beard. I honestly just wish that your mustache would, would hang over your, like you have good teeth. They're nice and white and straight and very pretty. I wish you grew the mustache where it covers your fucking mouth. I don't know why you have to trim that thing. Uh, so I wouldn't talk or why? No, because I liked the look of that. Like you're always guessing where that person's face hole is.
00:25:58
Speaker
Yeah. Be really interesting. That's pretty good.
00:26:04
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Okay, guys, on 10 separate occasions, he's run a 200 mile relay race, but not as a relay participant. He ran that solo racing alongside teams of 12. His list of competitive achievements include winning the world's toughest foot race, the badwater ultra marathon, and winning the four deserts challenge racing in the hottest, driest, windiest, and coldest place on earth. And New York Times bestselling author. Are you going to tell us what that was?
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to go on and explain all these things. It's just kind of it was all Chicago. Different times of the year. So that's a good point. I believe that Dean is a frequent speaker and panelist at many running and sporty events worldwide. I've seen untold videos with this guy being interviewed and he's fucking crazy, but cool. Like he's a good dude. Where is he from? He is from. He was born in L.A. He was born in England. Oh, he's American. Oh, OK. OK.
00:27:04
Speaker
Yeah, that's where Los Angeles is located. So if you want, I just say I didn't realize that he was I didn't know he was American. You're just not a very good storyteller. So you didn't say that. In fairness. I can see that. How dare you say something so true and accurate? How dare you call me out of my shittiness in such a concise manner? Unlike me presenting this podcast, so well articulated your insult.
00:27:34
Speaker
I had a question, but I can't remember what it was. I'm sure it'll occur to you again. I wouldn't be so sure. So this episode about memory loss is about Kevin and I hope you're enjoying it so far. Dean Carnese, also known as the ultra marathon man and the perfect human popularized ultra marathons in his book, ultra marathon man, confessions of an all night runner.
00:28:01
Speaker
You guys, one night, or one night, I shouldn't say one night, one time he went out for a run and it was 350 continuous miles. Doesn't that seem like 349 miles too many? Can I ask the obvious question?
00:28:21
Speaker
It's about poop. I thought you were going to say sleep. Yeah. Well, obviously you can't sleep, but he can poop. It just. I don't think he has to like run the whole time. Like, I mean, I'm sure he's consecutive. He's pulling over. Well, he is. But I mean, you're pulling over. Is he driving? I could do that. No, he's pulling over his body.
Endurance and Running Culture Reflections
00:28:46
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And poops, the guy I saw him interviewed any fucking, he brings his cell phone on a credit card with him and he orders pizza along the way. And they'll have the pizza, like he'll have the dominance. He'll be running and like, the car will meet him and like, Hey, how you doing?
00:29:02
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And yeah, he was talking about that when he was interviewed on David. So he like, just, oh, okay. So he's definitely pooping that we know. So what's your address? The road. I'm on the address. It's five, five, five. I'm sorry. Five, five, six. I'm sorry. Five, five. I'm sorry. Five. You know what? You know what? I'm just going to run in a circle till you guys get here. Is that what he said? He says to the pizza guy, you know what? You know what?
00:29:30
Speaker
I'm just going to run in a circle to get here. I'm in a cul-de-sac now, so just come out this way until I get to pizza, then I'll move on. Do you guys mind pre-chewing it? I don't have the energy to chew my own food. Why did he just plan his route to run by a pizza place? Like, why is he making the pizza people work so hard? Because delivery is part of what they do. Like, that's dominoes. They deliver to stationary places.
00:29:59
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they're going to deliver to a stationary place. It's just, he's going to get there at the same time that they do. Well, if he does stuff right though, like if he just planned it right, he could just be like, Hey, I want you to just, just stand outside and just hold the pizza out and I'll grab it. Like, like a, like a couple of water to Mer, regular person's marathon.
00:30:16
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I mean except hydrating delicious water you get salty pizza and carbs and bread. I don't know why you guys are punching holes in this right now. It's a thing that actually happens. He doesn't even have the logistics of it. Yeah. That's why I believe it too. I just don't think it's the best option. Honestly, it's just an agreement between him and Domino's. You don't have to get involved. Did he get a sponsorship? Because if he didn't, Domino's missed on that one. Yeah.
00:30:42
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Well, they miss on a lot of things, including pizza. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, give you a little facts about him. He's, he's 60 years old. Uh, he was born in LA, like I said, to Greek descendant parents, Nick and Fran. He has a brother Craig and a sister Perry. Um, so he also married his high school sweetheart and a little bit about his life early on. He had a, he had a perfectly normal
00:31:11
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American child upbringing and normal life. So he was molested and his dad was a vet. So he was molested by a priest. He was molested by his parents. He was molested by a pair of Nikes.
00:31:25
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he's like I better get the fuck out of here yeah I'm gonna run away from these things oh no they're my feet run run run run run that's all I go go go go go yeah you can't run 350 miles and not be running from something yeah for sure okay let's not cycle I want to get that I want to get into this okay well we'll learn a little bit about that too but you know he ended up having like a miserable
00:31:45
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It wasn't miserable, but, you know, he got married and he had a couple kids and he was living the American dream, had a job, 401k, and it just, he was not happy. I would be happy if I had a 401k. Have you seen what the stock market is now? I don't know what it's done, but it's a good thing. It always makes me sound like, Oh yeah, I sure have. 401k and stuff. I'm Roth Iris. All I know is that my portfolio is something.
00:32:14
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My portfolio is, it's Kevin without clothes on. My portfolio is a bunch of, is me taking pictures of money, putting in a book. I'm not really sure what a portfolio is, but I definitely, it's hard to take that to the bank. It's hard to diversify. So I have three books in four different places. So it's only to diversify. So I just wear different clothes when I take the pictures.
00:32:42
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Can you, can I please deposit this picture of money? I thought people said it's a mobile deposit. It's a picture of some cash that I saw. Why does this not work? Why am I going to jail? It's weird. Okay. How did he start running? You guys ask because she did. He started running for fun when he was in kindergarten on the way home from school. So he was chased by bullies. Pain. I know all too well.
00:33:11
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Or a white windowless van. At least he turned it into something useful. Instead of getting caught in therapy. By third grade he was running and organized running events and by age 11 he was hiking areas like the Grand Canyon at Mount Whitney. For his 12th birthday he cycled 40 miles to his grandparents house for fun without telling his parents. How old did you say? He was 12.
00:33:42
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But at least he cycled it. He didn't run that. He wasn't crazy. Oh, yeah. OK. And that would have been in the 80s. Probably right. Because if he is 60, he would have been born in 43. No, 53. He would have been born in 63. 63. I can't. I can't. I don't know. I can't sit here while John does. He would have been born in 63. This is not going to get better. So he would have been this would have been 1975.
00:34:07
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OK, it matters. Yeah, I'm not going to talk about his 30th birthday and I'm afraid I can watch it matters. OK, it does matter. I'm glad it matters to you. So you fast forward to his 30th birthday, and that's when he really became a runner. He walked out of the other bar and decided here's what he says. I walked out of a bar on the night of my 30th birthday and decided I was going to go. I was going to run 30 miles to celebrate.
00:34:36
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I blame my running career on bad tequila. AKA Jose Cuervo. I've done some real questionable things when I leave a bar, but not that. Yeah. I have run to the car to put my hand on it because I didn't want to fall over while I was throwing up. Yeah. Which is who, who the fuck runs 30 miles on it? It was two in the morning too, by the way.
00:35:04
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Maybe maybe he was so shit faces. I shouldn't drive. I'm going to run. We couldn't remember how to get home. So I ended up going 30 miles. That would make sense. He lived like like a quarter mile away. Yeah, it would actually make sense if he did that. But no, he did it on purpose because 30 miles, 30 years. And so it was actually it was actually because I don't want to say her name on here, but it was actually Kevin's sister-in-law who told me about this guy years ago. And she was like, yeah, like I know when he was in his because I guess he would have been in his 40s at that time.
00:35:33
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And all he did was wrong. What year was that, John? That would have been around 2003. He would have been 40. And the dude was shredded. I would imagine. Just shredded. And that's what he said. He didn't do pushups, setups, none of that. He just ran and he was shredded because he just runs and runs and runs. So.
00:35:56
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Being shredded is pretty yeah I mean it's what Americans what we value in this culture shredding this shredded not worth it not worth it That's why we like shredded wheat So much yep six well that and it helps our digestion. I like my wheat with six-pack abs America
00:36:17
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He's quoted as saying, I'm fascinated by difficult things. Combining running an adventure in unique and imaginative ways thrills me the way few other things do in life. Yeah, no shit. Running is only part of the challenge. Planning and resourcefulness play an equally critical role. You're essentially recreating the wheel of each new endeavor, he said.
00:36:40
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That's a little bit... I think he's a little bit... not so much with the thinky thinky. Well, if he was recreating the wheel, he wouldn't be doing all the goddamn running because he'd be using the fucking wheels, wouldn't he?
00:36:52
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Thanks. It's a solid boy. This guy sounds like a real good father, right? He's like, oh, I'm going to miss your baseball game because I'm running. And I'm going to miss your childhood because I'm running. I'm going to run to your graduation right now. I run. I'm going to run past your graduation. See you later. Poor guy.
00:37:16
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Okay, you guys want to hear some of his achievements? I do. He ran 350 miles in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep in 2005. How far?
00:37:25
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Uh, 350 miles, he ran for 80 hours and 44 minutes and he didn't sleep. So that's good for you. But he pooped. We've established that he's pooping on these runs, right? And he pooped. He also said, by the way, that he also, he likes cheesecake. He likes to eat things that are high calorie. Dense because apparently if you're going to run for 350 miles, you need some calories in you.
00:37:56
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He said he needed every day. No problem. I knew a guy back in the day who was like, uh, just lifted weights constantly. He was big dude and he eats so much fast food, but it was like, because he lifted so much that it was like it, it helped him to get bigger because it was like so much fat and carbs and all sorts of stuff. I don't know. He's probably still running on a caloric deficit.
00:38:17
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Do you think he likes tiramisu?
00:38:25
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Probably. Yeah, that's true. Well, then so would this dude. Oh, for sure. I don't think he can catch up. I don't think he can catch up to the calories. Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman was talking about how he, because he's going to redo the roll over ringing for the next Deadpool, apparently. And so he was getting bulked up. He's getting bulked up for that again. And something like it's like 10,000 or 12,000 calories a day.
00:38:48
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He's in basically he just said I am he's like I exercise and I eat like that's what he does exercise exercise what he had to eat and then like at the last month or something like that he's got to get shredded and The way that he does that is he only eats chicken. Yeah
00:39:08
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for like 30, like what did chicken ever do to that guy? That's like offensive, a defensive lineman in football. I mean, they, they, their calorie intake is absolutely ridiculous because those guys are humongous and they're super athletic. And then as soon as they retire, they lose like a hundred pounds. Well, a lot of those athletes, as soon as they retire, they don't stop eating as quickly as they probably should. And they gain fucking weight.
00:39:35
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I don't know about the offensive lineman. I think that they just, they can't, they can't eat that much. Like they don't need to eat that much anymore, you know?
00:39:44
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Yeah. All right guys. Well, here's some more tidbits. Uh, he completed a run called the relay. It's 199 mile run from Calistoga to Santa Cruz in California. He'd done it 11 times solo. And that's the relay run that I was referring to earlier. And he's actually beat teams. He's beat teams of 12, like 12 people teams before that would, that would be a little defeating. Wouldn't it? Yeah. This fucking guy smoked this.
00:40:13
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How does he have knees? That's a good question. Oh, oh, because he was he was born a human and human beings have knees. Hmm. So he he has a couple of things hurt right now. And I'm just sitting here. Yeah, that's why they hurt. According to him, he cools down from running by running. That's how he does stuff. He runs a marathon before he actually does his training for running.
00:40:42
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So he never really stops. He's running right now. I promise you, wherever he is right now, he's out on a run. I do know that there's a, I forget what the book is called. I mean, you know me, I like books, but it was, it's about, uh,
00:40:56
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It's basically – it was written about 15, 20 years ago, but it's like a group of native people in Mexico and they run everywhere. And a lot of them are marathon runners and they run in sandals and they will run to the marathon. They'll run the marathon and they'll run home. So they may run like 100, 150 miles in one day.
00:41:15
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Or a couple of days have a long taste to get there, but they can't use the resting their their running heart rate is like ridiculously low Yeah, they got the resting heart rate. It's like four Yeah, it's like love It's just the blood is just Dub Yeah, they like to wait for that beat to drop they really
00:41:45
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Jesus. I mean, wouldn't you think you'd get bored too? Like, like seriously, like, I mean, you can only listen to so many comedy podcasts when you're running that much. Like we've got enough material to get this guy through one of his 350 mile runs. We might by now, but I mean, seriously, like, I just, I don't know. I don't know. What's the, what's the longest you've ever run? Kevin or Greg.
00:42:12
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to the fridge. Not very. I'm going to go. Not very. No, I did. I did a 10 K. That was the longest I've ever done. I've run. I think I've run like 12 miles. Cool. Someone want to ask John. Hey, John, I don't want to answer that question. That's not a very fuck. Did you do a marathon, John? No, my brother did. What the fuck does that matter? I don't like I know people who've done marathons, too, because I love my brother and I connect. It is National Brother Day.
00:42:41
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Well, my brother ran a marathon. Yeah, your brother runs a lot of marathons. Your brother runs like 15, 20 miles a day at any or something. He's like stupid. He's in really stupid good shape.
00:42:50
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This might surprise you guys. My brother has not run a marathon. We know his brother and that seems on point. First of all, you can't run a marathon in Crocs and that guy loves wearing Crocs. He does love Crocs. It's a little weird. It's a little weird. If you get run a marathon, he'd have to set the Crocs to sport mode. That's right. Yeah, that's also a metal drummer.
00:43:20
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Not and not fun metal No real metal yeah, very metal scary people metal Crocs crocs and that's that's their ballad They're really I mean as far as right they're really good. I will say they're they are very good. Yeah first death metal goes certain I don't think it's death metal. I forget what it's called sludge doom emo emo metal
00:43:45
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There's not even a channel on XM radio for them. I don't think there is not. There is not even with all the new channels.
00:43:53
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Yeah, they just don't, uh, you got to keep scrolling to find it. Okay. So let's see here. Uh, where was I? He ran a marathon in the, uh, at the South pole in, in, uh, native 13 degree Fahrenheit. That's cold. He, uh, let's see. He ran 3000 miles across the United States from Disneyland to New York city in 75 days, running to 40 to running 40 to 50 miles per day. Is this what, is this what forest camp was based on?
00:44:23
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Uh, I don't, I mean, I didn't read that anywhere. I think Forrest Gump really just had a mental breakdown. This guy just lives his life. You ran 148 miles and 24 hours on a treadmill hoisted on a two story platform above times square. I don't remember seeing that happen, but don't you think that treadmill would get worn out? Just can't get out, but yeah.
00:44:52
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So, okay. Here's, you asked about the bad water ultra marathon. I don't think we did. I don't remember doing that. Uh, Kevin did when I introduced like one of the, one of the races, he, I remember we talked about the memory. Oh yeah. Good point. Okay. So it's, it's 135 miles across death Valley in, in 123 Fahrenheit temperatures. And he won. He came in first place because everyone else died. So
00:45:22
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Why? Like the Wim Hof thing, it's like, number one, why? And number two, how?
00:45:30
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Like, how are you able to do this? Oh, you, you mentioned before, like physically, like about his knees and stuff. So, you know, when you, when you're working out, the thing that kind of stops you from doing your sets is you have lactic acid and you just kind of push it too far. It doesn't matter what you're doing, curls, bench press or whatever you're gonna, you're gonna run out of strength at one point. Apparently like his physiology is different than most people's and he doesn't feel the lactic acid build up. Um.
00:45:59
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That makes sense. I mean, obviously, his physiology has to be different. I mean, that's just that's crazy. Yeah, he's truly kind of one of a kind. There's a bunch of ultra marathoners out there, but no one is quite like carnezies. Well, you know, I don't know. Right. Like, I mean, I mean, I don't think I could do that, but also know Cherokee Indians as well are that they would run.
00:46:24
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There were nomadic tribes and they would run anywhere from 14 to 18 hours a day. Movie. So, I mean, you know, and that's, and there was no tracks. There was no roads. It was just running through the forest. So I guess.
00:46:39
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No Google maps. No pizza. No pizza. Did they have comedy podcasts? They did not. I will say this. The children would sleep when they would sleep with like water food and they basically slept with like a little pouch on them that had everything they needed. So they would get up, if they had to get up and move in the middle of the night, the children are ready to go. And the children, and I don't know what age I would stop carrying them, but the children would run as well, like four or five years old, which is crazy.
00:47:08
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Can you imagine, can you imagine your kid running like for 14 hours? Um, kind of right now. Yeah. He doesn't really stop. So yeah, I guess I could kind of, it would take a really long time to run 14 miles, but yeah. Well,
00:47:28
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It just, it blows your mind. So as you hear about these, these things, I mean, the list goes on and on and on about all the shit that he does. And he's also, um, a bestselling author. He's written several books about what he's able to do and the feats he's done and his mindset. And it's pretty fucking pitching.
00:47:46
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And it's, it's very, it's incredible. Like I'm, I'm impressed. I'm amazed. I'm like, I'm in awe, but also I'm just like, why? Like the running, that's cool. Like the, like, I get it. Like he does these, you know, whatever, but why, why are you going to go run at 120 mile, 20 degree heat? Like why? Like why? So he's really, he's really interested in pushing his limits. Yeah, apparently. And he's like the mental toughness it takes to do what he does is just, it's superhuman.
00:48:16
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I think when I say why, I mean, I don't want to get off my couch. Like my couch is so comfortable. Yeah, I will. And I don't do it. I do it. So you don't do it very often. I don't. I don't. In fact, I mean, if I could do this podcast from the couch, I'd be there right now. But no, I mean, it's right there. I don't see why you couldn't hold on. But but yeah, so, you know, it is it's just like a different kind of it's a different human being.
The Physical Toll of Extreme Exercise
00:48:44
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He is a different human being. So in a typical week, he's going to run anywhere between 70 and 120 miles because he mixes everything up between short runs and long runs. I ran two miles the other day. And when I say run, I mean, I ran part of it. I walked the other part.
00:49:06
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I've been I've been going to the gym, as I've mentioned before, and I've not tell us that a lot. So I'm at the gym right now, guys, this background is on a treadmill. So I'm getting in really good shape. My stamina is improving and stuff. But like, I don't even want to run more than three miles. And it's it's not easy for me to run three miles. No, me neither. Really fat guy. And like my my like long run that I do when I'm in good shape is three and a half miles. That's
00:49:35
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That's my long run because it's boring. I get bored. I do like running. My peak was I mean, I don't and I now run. I do mile. I do run a mile walk, half mile run a mile. That's how I do it now. But at my peak of running, like I would like 11 miles would be my thing. I would do like 11 miles every day. And I felt great. Like it was amazing.
00:49:54
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But, I mean, and some days it was easy, some days it was hard, but I mean, every time I got to 11, I'm like, done. I'm like, yes, I'm done. That was your goal, and then you were ready to be done. Yeah, like, I don't want to do any more. I don't want to do any more. I don't, like, I would hit 11 because it was like I was running this loop, and it would be so many times. And then, like, once I would get to the end of it, I'm like, sweet, I'm done. I don't need to go any further than this. So why 11? Because it was 2.2 miles.
00:50:26
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So you go around it. Wait, is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go around. Yeah, you go around five times. Five times is 11 miles. Gotcha. And it was always like beautiful. It's like it's over. It's like in Silver Lake. And it was just it was like a beautiful run. It felt great. You know, but even when it was like 98 degrees, I'd be like, I'm going to wait till it cools off. I'm not going to go out when it's 110 or 100 or
00:50:51
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You know or negative 30 or negative. Yeah, or negative 30. Yeah, that's Like I just I'm just I'm not and I guess it's the same thing like it like I'm starting to come around like I get what people do sports and stuff like that And I know what you know, but I guess when I say I get why people do well I get what people get better. You know right now. Let's let me have his moment
00:51:09
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Like I get I get what people are competitive and what they get out of sports and all that stuff and I guess for me It's just like I'm just not built that way right and so that's it's just like any time anyone does like that again I'm like I am Very you do have a competitive beard Yeah, there's some part of you that feels competitive, but it's so easy. It's not like I did I just literally I
00:51:30
Speaker
I have to live. That's all I have to do to grow this. I live. I'm not changing anything. I'm not uncomfortable. Have you found your natural maximum beard length? Do what? God, I have to say that again. Have you found your niche? No, no, no. I don't know where. No, not yet. So far it's still growing. So it's still growing. Still growing. Yeah. We'll see. Is that a thing? Yeah. A natural? All body hair. All body hair has a point where it will no longer grow.
00:51:56
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I will say this. I never knew that. That'll be a really sad day. This hair has hit its... I bet Courtney's glad you went facial hair and not pubic hair. Who says I didn't go pubic hair?
00:52:08
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I've seen his, I've seen his jeans, the bottom of his jeans. It's, uh, John, your pubes are hanging out the pubes are cutting your Nikes. I've been saving a lot of money on socks. So it's just pubes now. Okay. Let me get back to current easy. Yeah, that's probably can run forever because he is psychological physiologically leads biochemically, very efficient and mentally very tough.
00:52:33
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Was he hit with gamma rays by chance? He's superhero. He was bit by a radioactive spider. So that worked for Nike. Carneasies says, because spiders work for Nike. Gotcha. They have a fucking policy of no, that's fine. It has to be. Carneasies says because they don't require any kind of like they can work 24 seven and they don't have to pay them and they don't have a union knowledge. We employ spiders.
00:53:01
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Gernazes says, why you can run forever specs explained by Portuguese proverb.
00:53:07
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who runs for pleasure, never tires, which I don't believe. I'm going to get tired, but I guess it wouldn't be pleasurable and whatever. I love running for nothing other than running. But I get tired of sex. I like eventually not tired of sex, but I get I had a point where I'm like, I'm done. I can't this I can't do this anymore because my will collapse. So tired, just physically. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'm usually that's not really my problem.
00:53:34
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Okay. We don't want to hear about your problem. It's nobody left sex with him. That's a problem. So Carneses has a condition called lactic dehydrogenosis or dehydrogenase syndrome in which he does not produce lactic lactic acid during exercise at all. Apparently not.
00:53:59
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Uh, all right. So, and he's done like the lab testing to prove it. He's a mutant. He's a freak. That's what it is. All right. He's totally mutant. Did you say mutant or mute? Mutant. Okay. He could be both. Yeah.
00:54:15
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He can talk. Okay. You've, you've heard all the quotes. That's true, but he could have written them down. I don't, he could assign them. Oh, good point. Yeah, no, he's, he said them out loud. At age 60, Carneas continues to challenge himself because he has a desire to be the best he can be.
00:54:32
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And running is a medium that allows a person to measure themselves against themselves. Regardless of your age or ability, few sports hold a mirror up to you the way running does. That's a good point. I like the honesty of that. He finishes by saying. So makes sense.
00:54:54
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You know, you wonder if he's ever gotten injured. He actually hasn't. He's pretty fucking stoked. He cross chains. He's he I've seen him on an interview saying it's just like people that say they have bad knees or ankles and fucking.
00:55:08
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He doesn't, he has a, he has like a really good stride. He doesn't pronate or whatever the opposite of pronate is, which I can't remember right now. It's something else that ends in Nate. So he, it's prenatal. He lands. He lands pretty. Yeah. What are you doing right now?
00:55:27
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I'm doing the running thing with my hands. And it's been theorized that people have a finite amount of heel strikes in them. Yeah, you're supposed to bounce off your toe. What is that going to look like? The pad by your toe, right?
00:55:43
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Just just watch a video of him running and that's how you're supposed to do it because he never gets injured and he's the best runner ever. So whatever he's doing is right. You actually want to watch videos. You want your your heel and your and your the ball of your foot to actually hit at the same time. You want ball that ball. That's the word I was looking for balls. You want your heel. So neither one. You forget balls. Because if you're if you're hitting if your ball if the ball of your foot hitting first you're putting it's doing damage to the front of your knee. And if your heel is you want to push off your balls. Right.
00:56:13
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You can't push off your heel and your ball at the same time, John. What? He just talked about the, the strikes, the way, the way you land, you land, you land, you basically, you're landing flight, you're landing evenly. And then you push on talking to the mic, you'll end up.
00:56:30
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without alcohol. You land flat and then you push off. That's how it was taught. As this, as if this weren't enough, Carnacy's also swears by cross training. He just burpees pushups. He's doing like, cause this guy is just like, you know, it's really going to get me in shape. Not the 7 billion miles. He fights Wim Hof. Oh yeah. Okay. I'll get there. I made it up in my head. He's going to fucking fight the incredible Hulk.
00:57:00
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Yeah, seriously. Yeah. Um, he also uses something called the lip to go because it's incredible strength in cardiovascular training with zero impact. I don't know why he would care about impact or not. He's constantly impacting. Yeah, right. Yeah.
00:57:18
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It's just whatever. You know, it has impact pegging. Wait, has no impact or has no has impact is definitely has it on psychologically on which side of the pegging. Both, both. I feel like both. I guess it's better for cardio, you think, John, since you've been part of both.
00:57:41
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Question I'd like to hear an answer. I once pegged for 350 miles In one pegging is In 50 states a pegged in all 50 states in 50 days. We just ran I just I just was just running and I was getting pegged the whole time I
00:58:02
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Go to, go to my only fans. My day four had a really real incontinence problem. Oh God. That and a lack of pizza. Yeah. The pizza delivery guy might be like, Hey, oh, nope, nope, nope. You're getting pegged. I'm going to leave. I thought this was one of that ultra marathon guys. This is totally different. Not delivering this pizza. That guy's totally getting pegged.
00:58:36
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I can actually see, I can say honestly that it's not funny, but it's funny. Right. Yeah. Um, okay. People have asked her on AZZ if he ever gets tired and he says, he's got a really funny one with that one. He says, yeah, but only when I sit down.
00:58:56
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Yeah, that's how his jokes land. Like I should not do a comedy podcast. Neither should we. That's true. That is true. In watching interviews with Dean Carneses, I have to say he's a good thing, man. You do not have to keep saying his last name. You could just call him Dean. We all know. I like Dean-O. Dean-O.
00:59:18
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In watching interviews with Dino, I have to say he seems extremely likable. He's got a good sense of humor and the ability to laugh at himself. Well, that was a bad example, but not everybody hits home runs all the time. So instead of reading what I wrote, I'm just going to tell you that he reminds me a lot of Rob Lowe's character in Parks and Recs.
00:59:41
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He's, I don't know if you ever saw that show, but he's one of these upbeat guys. It's constantly exercising and loving life. And unlike that Wim Hof self-righteous motherfucker. Why is he self-righteous? He is very self-righteous. Well, cold water is the only way. That was the only time I mentioned him in this episode because I never liked that guy, Wim Hof. I know you didn't.
01:00:03
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You know, they've done a lot more studies in the last couple of years over the cold water stuff and they're thinking more and more and more that it is, it's one of the healthiest things you can do for yourself. I know. I'm not saying he was wrong. That's the fact that he was right makes him more obnoxious.
01:00:20
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Cause he was basing it on bullshit, but his bullshit happened to be right. That's right. He got so lucky. Fuck that guy. You know, his fucking theory came first and then the science and then he's like, mom, you get credit for that cause I'm Wim off. David Wim off. Asshole off. A question I had while researching Dino was can all this exercise be healthy?
01:00:47
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Well guys, the answer is yes and no. Okay. I was hoping it was no. It's mostly well, it can be no avid exercise over cheavers seem to share in common as zest for life and our purpose.
01:01:02
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and are purpose-driven and mindful, which is a good thing. It allows you to live in the moment when you're exercising so much. If you're not living in the moment. That's interesting, because Greg, you have a zest for life. But you're in terrible shape. That's true. I will say this about Greg. His cardio is really good. I'm not in terrible shape.
01:01:19
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He does skate though. He's not in terrible shape. He is a terrible shape. Yes, right. That's right. That's a very important distinction. But he's like Greg is great. Greg is super flexible and he's a cardio. I have both of those things. Those are two things that I am not surprised you know, John. John knows that too. Three things then.
01:01:46
Speaker
And honestly, not that good of a kisser. You'd think he would be, but he's not. I keep laughing. No, I wouldn't think he would be. I keep laughing. It's hard to stay serious with me kissing John. It's true. And it feels weird when he grabs my face. Well, you don't have a face anymore. I was going to say, where's he grabbing me? I mean, it's under there. There's a face.
01:02:04
Speaker
Well, if you can't access allegedly, I promise you there's a chin and everything. I don't believe you. I think so. It was just this in the beard. My brains would fall out of my head. Maybe the beer holds it all in. True.
01:02:21
Speaker
That's a good point. All right. Where was I, Jen? This thing here, as Dean has said in numerous times, running allows him to live in the moment. He has to be extremely mentally tough to persevere through all the hardships that come with ultra marathoning. But what about the physical toll? So that's the mental toll. He's like, he, I think he faces all of that grueling exercise with, with a plum. I've always wanted to say that. So he's a plum.
01:02:52
Speaker
Yeah, with a palm. That's what he uses. But what about the physical toll running could put on you? Not just Dean, but anybody that's an extreme over-exerciser. Well, there's this article written by Richard and for grosses. He's a doctor, Dr. Richard. Sounds like a doctor. He's over-exercising and the risk for atrial fibrillation. Oh, now we see why he did this episode.
01:03:21
Speaker
No, it's just a clever little thing. It popped up. The Dean popped up. He's like, all right, cool. That'll work.
01:03:29
Speaker
I found Dean first and then I kind of had to bring everything in. I mean, extreme exercise leads to anxiety. Really? All right. Yeah. So guys, these athletes that run these fucking marathons have a much higher preponderance towards developing atrial fibrillation. For those of you who don't know what atrial fibrillation is,
01:03:52
Speaker
Look it up, because these guys... Go back and listen to like four or five of our earlier episodes. My co-hosts are not gonna suffer through me describing Afib again. No. But it's just an arrhythmia. And it's gonna be deadly. Sean, I don't really actually know what it is. Take care of it. Basically, what Afib is... Oh yeah, that's where I should have you guys describe what it is. Yeah, so what Afib is, is Greg calls you on a Friday, tells you he's gonna be in the hospital for a week, and they're running some tests. That's what Afib is. And then nothing happens. The first time.
01:04:20
Speaker
That's true. That's true. Second time you were there for three days. So no. Oh, no. Second time I was only there for like eight hours and they zapped me. How are you good now? I mean, knock on wood since I had my last ablation three over three years ago and had an episode. All right.
01:04:39
Speaker
John, you even mentioned the complaining. That was the part that I remember most of all. Well, I just here's the thing. If you listen to the show, you know, it's been the funniest today. Yeah. And you know what's funny with that is he's not joking. There's a lot of complaining when it comes to aphid.
01:05:01
Speaker
Um, I'm a Jaff, a Jewish, a, a drill for relations. My, my dad has a fib and they gave him does. Yeah. And they gave him, he talked about it constantly. So he had some monitor thing. Right. And, and then basically they would like call him.
01:05:18
Speaker
And this was kind of dumb. So they had this monitor in and then they would like, somehow it wasn't like immediate. So then a week later, they'd call him and be like, Mr. Banks on, you know, July 27th, uh, you spiked for 30 minutes. Do you know what you're doing? And my dad's like, no, that was like a week ago. I don't know what I was doing. So, but he, yeah, but he, he basically, he, he did the ablation and it didn't work. And now he's like, yeah, fuck it. If it kills me, it kills me. That's my dad's, that's my dad's way. But is he in, is he impermanent AFib right now?
01:05:47
Speaker
I don't think he's impermanent, no. So it comes and goes? It comes and goes, yeah. Yeah, that's dangerous. Yeah. You know, well, I mean, hey, he's 77, he'll be fine. I mean, according to him. And he's, you know, he's had a life. He has had a life. He has had a... Like, given his pet, I don't blame him for being like, oh, it fucking kills me, it kills me. Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:11
Speaker
He has had it and he knows that shit in Vietnam. I I've seen some stuff that would kill most people just by seeing it. So yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. And his attitude about Afib denial is not unlike these ultra marathoners that get something like that, too, where they think they can like exercise that we run it, run it out. Yeah, they're so optimistic. Yeah. And that's how they live their lives are these like super happy, crazy people like
01:06:41
Speaker
You know, if you say, ah, carnezies interviewed, you would just think this guy is just so fucking high because he's just. Just happy. Like I would imagine, right? Like their serotonin doping, all their pleasure chemicals, they gotta be through the roof, right?
01:06:58
Speaker
All the time. Yeah, constantly got to be kicking that. I mean, if you're running 350 miles, your brain just has to be like to keep going. Even if you have something where you don't you don't feel pain or whatever it did, like you don't have the lactic acid and stuff like that, it would still be like his brain. His brain would have to give him a reason to keep going. Does he get to suffer from depression?
01:07:20
Speaker
Not that you saw if he does, he doesn't admit it because the only reason is because I've, I've heard that people that exercise like crazy amounts, they come down. You know what I mean? Like they're so high that when they come down, they're, they're not actually usually when they run, go back out and start running again. That could be one of the symptoms of, of over-training because your chemicals are, you just can't keep up. Right. So those high, so that's another, besides like the AFib, which I wanted to bring in, which was kind of cutesy.
01:07:47
Speaker
Not really, whatever, because I mean, it is pretty adorable. It is. It is a cute little disorder. There's there's a lot of people that exercise when they overtrain. It has serious implications upon their body. You know, they they can actually break bones easier because they just push themselves to extremes. Their tendons are fucked up. You know, they have problems walking their knees are fucked. You know, you hear about all the shit this this this.
01:08:15
Speaker
team guy, he's like one in a billion. Yeah. He's just not just because he's not suffering from like that doesn't mean most people won't. And I don't care how much preparation you do. I don't think anything could prepare you for a hundred mile run and what it's going to do your body. I mean, you know, you know, I'm a football fan and like how often like these guys that are just superb athletes just like cut the wrong way and they blow up their knee. Yeah. And they're like in the best shape.
01:08:43
Speaker
They're in the best shape of anybody on the planet, but they just like, just do, they move a certain way and their knee blows up. And for whatever reason, some of, for some of those guys, I don't think that.
01:08:54
Speaker
I think that their bodies are not, I mean, they're in phenomenal shape. Like what we think, you know, kind of a, a, a Romanesque figure, but they, these runners don't have that same issue because they don't have the same upper body weight. They're really like, let me just think about a marathon or muscly. Yeah. So they, I think they have less weight. That's kind of transferring. What is like a, like I'm running back way. What is the average weight of a running back and then I thought like two 60, two 40.
01:09:21
Speaker
No, no, no, not that high. Probably more in the anywhere depending on the type of back anywhere from one ninety to two twenty. And that's a lot of weight. So yeah, to just turn all of a sudden with that much weight. And a lot of times they're like, you know, five nine. Yeah. So I mean, two twenty five
Personal Injury Stories and Overtraining Symptoms
01:09:35
Speaker
nine all muscle. That's yeah. And runners runners aren't going to make those kind of tight cuts. It's true either. So still like you think like as you're running at some point, you just I don't know.
01:09:45
Speaker
Oh yeah, you're gonna fuck yourself up. Tweak something, you know? I was at a lightning in a bottle like in 2000, I don't know, I was at a music festival like in the early, I don't know, 2007, 2008, something like that. And I was dancing and I landed on a rock and I basically stretched out a ligament. And it took about two years for it to completely heal.
01:10:03
Speaker
Was it Dave Matthews? I just wanted to. Yeah, it was. It was a Dave Matthews. Do it. Did you step on Dave? I did. I did. He was. Yeah, he was a rock. He's all crash into me. He's like, whoa, what'd you say? I'm like.
01:10:18
Speaker
Fucking hurt my ligament, Dave. That's what I would say. Anyway, so now they stretch the thing out and it took it took like a week for the swelling stuff to go down. And then I was like, I was so that's when I was like at the peak of my running. And it was crazy because I had the muscles that I needed to do it. But if I if my foot, if I hit like a little hole or something and my foot just tilted a little bit, I'd go down every time I'd fall because my I just my foot wouldn't support me, which sucked. That's a very vulnerable feeling. I hate that.
01:10:47
Speaker
I've had injuries like that too. I've had issues with my knee where like if I turn the wrong way and didn't even know what I did, I could just, it would just give out on me and I just tumble. It's weird. Bodies are weird. Bodies are freaking, my body's a wonderland, but yours are weird for sure. So symptoms of over-training.
01:11:04
Speaker
are a profound feeling of fatigue, no shit, energy loss, chronic colds, infections, insomnia, ironically weight gain, stamina decline, and women will lose their period. I left it over here somewhere. Yeah, that's nice. That happens to bodybuilders, right? Like women, female bodybuilders that they'd stop having periods. Yeah.
01:11:31
Speaker
They, they sure do. Yeah. I think, well, is that, is that, and I'm not, is that because of the steroids, because of the hormones, because a lot of bodybuilders, we get into hormones. And that's a good question. I don't fuck up your, I've got, no, it's no, it's, it's something that just naturally happens.
01:11:48
Speaker
which is the only only other reason your body will stop the only other reason a woman's body will stop outside of cancer something like that is starvation when you hit a certain point starvation, uh people can no longer produce reproduce so
Admiration for Endurance Athletes
01:12:05
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That's pretty interesting. All right, guys, we're going to get down to last call and I'm going to speak from the heart when it comes to last call. Primarily because this is the first time I've ever not printed out my research. I did it all. I copied and pasted an email and my last call is not on here. I don't know where it went. I wrote it, but it didn't.
01:12:29
Speaker
Remember, all your last call has to be now is a cheers. You don't have to do a whole lot. Well, that's not going to be a lot. I was going to talk about how, you know, Dean and other people so far have not yet defeated themselves. And as a matter of fact, they're they're pushing themselves. They're pushing themselves to new heights. So I think they're improving themselves. And it's admirable. It might be it might seem weird to an outsider.
01:12:56
Speaker
Because we're talking about this lightly, about what someone like Dean is able to do. But if you just think about this sheer volume of hours where he spends a loan on pounding pavement or trails, it's just amazing to me that a human being is capable of enduring such incredible amounts of endurance. And it is admirable, if not fucking crazy. It could be both.
01:13:23
Speaker
And I think it's both. So cheers to you, Dean. If you do drink alcohol, only one of us is drinking alcohol. So I got you, Dean. I got you, Dino. Good work, Kevin. Thanks for listening in your honor, Dean. Now go out there and give me 50 miles.