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Love Is Blind 4: Settling for Second Choices
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Introduction and Focus
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Speaker
What's up, queens?
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Welcome to the Female Dating Strategy Podcast, the meanest female-only podcast on the internet.
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I'm Ro.
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And I'm Savannah.
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And we're back here again.
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One more time.
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You know what?
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Let me just slide to the side real quick and just make mention because I know people are already going to complain about this episode.
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I don't care.
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I like Love is Blind.
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I like dissecting the couples on this.
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I know some of you don't watch reality TV.
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And every time we post this episode, people make comments.
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Well, I don't want to talk about this because I don't watch reality TV.
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Well, that's you.
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It's the number one show on Netflix.
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Every time it comes out, it's trending on Twitter.
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People are talking about it.
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And also we get a ton of requests from people asking us to cover this episode.
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So yeah, we do try to cater for as many people as possible.
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But yes, if you are one of those people who are not into reality TV, that is fine.
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Speaker
Skip this episode.
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Feel free to skip it.
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That's what I do.
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When I listen to podcasts, sometimes there's episodes I don't like, so I just skip it.
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Even in this podcast, sometimes we talk about things I'm not that interested in.
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I just suck it up.
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Fair.
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Like Rose voice.
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Normal healthy response to something.
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Okay.
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Um,
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So, yes, we're talking about the show that we all love to hate.
Admiration for Brett and Tiffany
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Love is Blind, Seattle.
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Oh, Seattle.
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Oh, man.
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I was so reluctant to watch this show because I wasn't over the fuckery in the last season.
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What with SK and Raven and all the characters.
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But I remember all my friends were like, have you seen Love is Blind?
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Even once you didn't normally watch Love is Blind, because I sort of introduced them to it.
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have you watched have you watched it and I was like I'm not really ready for the fuckery and I wasn't ready for the fuckery for this season yeah this show is very much an emotional roller coaster I find myself actually getting sucked into it and I think it's because for the most part these are regular people there's a few cloud chases on here but for the most part you actually feel like you know some character of these people in your own life yeah or you can see yourself in some of the characters for sure very true also that
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I actually think this is one of the better seasons.
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I mean, I thought season two and season three were like complete dumpster fires with a bunch of irredeemable characters.
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But this one.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So it was also still a dumpster fire with a couple of irredeemable characters.
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But it was like, I guess, you know what?
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You know who saved it?
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Okay.
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All right.
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Let's just go ahead and say it.
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Our first couple we're going to talk about, Brett and Tiffany.
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I think they were just so adorably cute.
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Yeah, and individually, they're also really great people.
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I was talking to my sister prior to recording, and we were just talking about how, like, Brett is not just a good partner, but he seems to be a really, really mature friend.
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By the way, this episode is going to contain spoilers, so if you haven't seen most of the season, again, you might want to skip it because we're going to talk spoilers.
Brett's Background and Success
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But the way he handled Jackie not showing up to her wedding dress fitting and the way he treated Marshall, I thought that was also a really, really solid friend.
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Because having to be the person to deliver that news must be really difficult.
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And he did it in a way that conveyed the message, but also gave Marshall the space to react how he wanted.
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He wasn't like, she's a fucking bitch.
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She's a prick.
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Oh my gosh.
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You know, he just, he relayed quite a difficult message, a message that he knew would, his friend would find distressing.
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And he gave his friend the space to deal with that.
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And I really respect that.
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He wasn't just trying to like basically shit stir or anything like that.
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It's completely different to, do you remember when, was it Matt and Zenab in the last season when they were like hyping each other up to go blow up with their partners?
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And they were in like the boxing corner massaging each other's shoulders to go like beat up their partner.
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Just fanning each other's flames like, yeah, yeah, yeah, they shouldn't talk to you like that.
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Oh my God.
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You know, yeah, that was a completely different way to handle that kind of conflict.
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So yeah, you can see that he's got a much more cool head on his shoulders compared to a lot of the other men on Love is Blind.
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And I think his story was pretty interesting because he's a guy that obviously had a lot of struggles in life, had a big tragedy happen with the passing of his brother.
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And I think admittedly, he probably is not the type of man that a lot of women would have looked at, at least women that he would want to date, maybe who are also similarly business professionals because he doesn't have a college degree.
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And he basically worked himself, worked his way up and lucked out at a, you know, a
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design director job at a very large shoe retailer.
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So I think it's kind of an interesting thing.
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Like he's sort of a diamond in the rough type character, right?
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He's like, he's quite atypical for someone of his background to have found a way to make something of himself, despite coming from a lot of poverty, despite coming from a lot of tragedy.
Brett and Tiffany's Relationship Dynamics
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And I think that's a really admirable quality in an individual.
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I think it speaks a lot to the strength of their character, their curiosity, their drive.
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And he seems to be
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genuinely a good person.
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And his friends seem to be good people, right?
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They don't seem weird.
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They seem like very supportive of him.
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And I think contrast his friend group to like Bartese's friend group from last season.
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Yeah.
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Actually, they weren't even medium ugly.
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They're just regular ugly dudes who had the nerve to talk down on Nancy's looks, which was pretty audacious of them.
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You didn't see any of that with Brett's
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friend group.
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So quite a departure from some of the raggedy pieces of men that some of the former contestants of Love is Blind have surrounded themselves with.
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I think Jarrett is another one that had a really raggedy friend group.
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Just pathetic fuckboys.
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So...
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I do think you can tell a lot about a man by his friends.
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Like if his friends are all waste men, the guy's a waste man.
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Don't sit there thinking like, oh, he's different.
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Nah, like birds of a feather.
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As we'll get to with, unlike Micah, a person's friends tells you a lot about them as a person and what they value as well, because people tend to congregate with people who are similar to them in terms of friendships as well.
Wedding Planning Drama
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So yeah, I think that's a really, really...
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That was a green flag, seeing his friends and how they interacted with Tiffany.
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They treated her with respect.
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They didn't have any dodgy bombshells like, you know, Matt's friends had when they told Colleen, oh, he yells a lot or something like that.
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Like, they just seemed really cool and respectful and mature.
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One scene I thought was like so heart-wrenching was when Brett finally poured his heart out to Tiffany.
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It turns out she was dead sleep on the other side of that wall, which, okay, they're in the pods for a lot of hours.
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I've fallen asleep on guys before.
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Yeah, I know, me too.
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I've fallen asleep on guys before.
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Like, it happens.
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Like, when the body's tired, it's tired.
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The one thing I've learned from this show is just how sensitive a lot of men are, at least from this particular season anyways, because Brett looked absolutely done after Tiffany didn't respond.
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He was like...
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He's like so upset.
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Like he left and he was like, that's it.
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I was like, wow.
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I don't know that I would have like assumed the worst, but he was clearly, he probably said something very vulnerable.
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And since it's, I guess, a little bit harder for men sometimes to, especially a guy like himself, who's come from a lot of tragedy to say something that raw and real.
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And for the person on the other side of the wall to not respond was probably painful in some respects.
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Cause he probably also has that like fear that he'll be rejected because of all of those things.
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But I liked how they worked through it the next time.
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I predict they'll get married.
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I've not yet seen the final episode, but I definitely think they'll get married.
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It almost feels like they had to manufacture drama in their relationship for the show because so far all their spats seem to be quite minor and not indicative of a fundamental compatibility issue like some of the other couples.
Praise for Brett and Tiffany's Relationship
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Yeah, the most drama so far is it just seems like Tiffany's a bit overwhelmed with everything going on in her life.
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And the wedding is just adding to that.
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Yeah.
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And the falling asleep at the beginning.
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Yeah, the falling asleep, of course, was like, yeah, inopportune moment.
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But whatever.
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I mean, they've said that they're in those pods for hours and hours and hours.
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So I feel like if you have a little bit to drink and even talking for a long time doesn't seem odd.
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And Tiffany's friends seemed great and supportive of her as well.
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So I think that was also like a green flag.
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Unlike some other people who we'll get to, you know, with them, there's not much to really nitpick about.
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It seemed like they both went in there knowing to a certain extent what they wanted.
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They're both stable in who they are.
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They're both stable in their careers.
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It didn't seem like they were going there looking for validation from anyone.
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Again, better than some other people and seem to have pretty good characters.
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So I think everybody was sort of rooting for them.
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Yes.
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I can't think of a better couple, right?
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A better, more likable couple so far.
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Speaker
Has there been a more likable couple in Love is Blind so far?
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I haven't watched season one.
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I haven't seen season one, but I've heard about Lauren and Cameron, but I haven't seen season one.
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So...
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Yeah, they're the other success story.
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I guess there's been a couple of success stories because technically there's also Amber and Barnett.
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But the thing is, is that Amber just comes off really unlikable to people.
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So people kind of don't root for them as much, even though technically they've been married since the first season as well.
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But Lauren and Cameron, people still root for them because they're a little bit more, I guess, likable as people, although a little boring.
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But yeah, and then people don't like Alexa a lot.
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because of her bullying and potty mouth, really.
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So I feel like Alexa and Brennan haven't really been embraced as like a symbolic love was blind couple the way Lauren Cameron were.
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And now I think Brett and Tiffany are.
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And then season two was like one big dumpster fire.
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And I don't think anyone's still together.
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So... No, we're still together.
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Yeah.
00:10:01
Speaker
So I think this might be the most successful couple to come out of, at least from so far we see, come out of a season of Love
Zack's Decision-Making
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is Blind.
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Speaker
Like, neither of them came across badly.
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The audience seems to both embrace them.
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They come across like emotionally stable, mature people.
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Speaker
They're not perfect, but...
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There's no like tea on them, meaning like no one's like dropping like, oh, this person's a horrible.
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No one's pulling up domestic violence records like some other contestants had.
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Speaker
Well, fingers crossed.
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Thank God, please.
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Fingers crossed.
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Speaker
Yeah, fan favorite couple.
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Speaker
I think there's just so many green flags there, just their willingness to be honest with each other.
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Speaker
And I think Brett's willingness to be with a woman who's a little bit like really tender and nice, I guess.
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I sometimes feel like women like Tiffany could take advantage of a lot.
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Speaker
Because she just seems like she's actually a really sweet person.
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And it seems like that's a perfect thing for Brett right now in his life.
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Speaker
And then for Tiffany, Brett is really, really supportive, right?
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Like, you know, when she was having anxiety, he just went out of his way to make her feel more comfortable.
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You know, he took her on the plane trip and also like that really nice dinner when she was having all the anxiety about the wedding and he held her like, that's just all really good stuff, you know?
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Yeah.
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Wholesome.
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Happy for them.
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Real happy for y'all.
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All that.
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So are they the only couple that we kind of want to root for?
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I feel like, okay, so now that we got the healthy couple out of the way, let's go talk about the dumpster fires that was the rest of the cast here.
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That's great.
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Speaker
Let's start dumpster buying.
00:11:38
Speaker
So people are saying, I'm going to go on to Zack and Irina slash Bliss next because, or from what I've seen, people are acting like Zack choosing Bliss is some magical love story.
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But I don't think that is the case
Zack's Insecurities
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at all.
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Like, I think that Zack doesn't deserve Bliss purely because when they were in the pods,
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He chose somebody who forgot his birthday over the woman who actually made an effort on his birthday and thought that was a logical decision.
00:12:09
Speaker
Like, dude, you're a lawyer.
00:12:11
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Like, surely that just doesn't compute to me at all.
00:12:15
Speaker
And then he is backtracking now.
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Speaker
Like, I do believe he genuinely likes Bliss, but it's complete horseshit that he's saying that she wasn't second best because he literally got engaged to another woman over her.
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When that didn't work out, he came crawling back.
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This is why when guys come back to you, it's not a compliment.
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Speaker
Like most of the time is because their first choice didn't work out.
00:12:37
Speaker
So my interpretation of it was a bit different.
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Speaker
I can totally see what you're saying.
00:12:41
Speaker
I thought he was too insecure to date Bliss because of the he was afraid of her family looking down on him, which her father did.
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Speaker
Let's be clear.
00:12:51
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So like, and that was particularly triggering for him.
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Speaker
And then someone like Irina was also from like humble beginnings and a little bit more rough and tumble.
00:13:02
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So I felt like he thought they would have a little bit more of a connection or she would accept him for who he was.
00:13:09
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Personally, I think I'm kind of on the train that I still think, yeah, I don't think it was a good idea for her to get back with Zach after he picked Arena.
00:13:19
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The biggest reason for me is because I don't think you ever want to set it up where like a guy can come back in your life after he's already shown you that arena.
00:13:28
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emotionally he's going to prefer another pattern that's familiar for him because like now I'm looking at this like well all the things that he said he was afraid of with Bliss's family is pretty much exactly what happens like Bliss's female relatives seem to be really nice like her mom and her sister etc but then she introduced Zack to her father and that entire exchange was maybe his worst fear
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Speaker
And so the question then becomes like, are you gonna run away?
00:13:52
Speaker
Is this are you gonna self sabotage the entire thing?
00:13:54
Speaker
There's just so many like big question marks to me, like, if her father never accepts Zach, like, what is that going to do to their relationship?
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It's understandable, though, why the dad was sceptical.
00:14:05
Speaker
Like, I would totally get it, partly because of how it played out.
00:14:09
Speaker
But I do think that they are quite well matched as a couple.
00:14:15
Speaker
But I just find this whole...
Critique of Zack's Choices
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Speaker
I don't know.
00:14:18
Speaker
It sort of reminds me of like an awful Nollywood story plot.
00:14:23
Speaker
I mean, Nollywood is Nigerian Hollywood.
00:14:25
Speaker
These sorts of plots were like the theme the whole time.
00:14:29
Speaker
Like, you know, the wholesome woman who was always nice to him, he overlooks her for the bitch.
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Speaker
And then when she's finally done with him, he then gets with the wholesome woman and sees her worth this whole time.
00:14:39
Speaker
It's just nonsense.
00:14:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's true.
00:14:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of whack.
00:14:43
Speaker
And that's the reason why it triggered me.
00:14:45
Speaker
Like, I think as people, they were always better suited.
00:14:48
Speaker
But the fact that Zach literally got engaged to somebody else who he had doubts about as well, I think that's a much bigger problem.
00:14:57
Speaker
I'm not buying this whole, it's such a love story that they ended up together because he literally chose somebody else
00:15:03
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not buying that either.
00:15:04
Speaker
I think that she's like giving a little bit of her power away by entertaining him again.
00:15:09
Speaker
And I honestly wouldn't because like, again, I don't think I mean, it's hard to engage with them as a couple because in addition to Paul and Micah, where I don't get their emotional connection at all.
00:15:20
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I don't see how to have any connection.
00:15:22
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Like, I just don't.
00:15:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:15:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:15:25
Speaker
So again, you know what I mean?
00:15:28
Speaker
Like maybe it's just about making her dad mad by like dating beneath her.
00:15:33
Speaker
Is that what I'm thinking?
00:15:35
Speaker
Like based on the exchange like Bliss had with her father and like what happened with her older sister who apparently ran away with one of her dad's workers at his company and doesn't speak to her dad anymore.
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That it might just be about like deliberately choosing men that on some level are not worth it so that she could just piss her dad off.
00:15:52
Speaker
Even though her dad seems like a very controlling boomer type dad, and I don't blame her for wanting to tell him to buzz off.
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Speaker
I'm getting more or less like I love this particular person and more like I'm with Zach because I feel like I have something to prove to my father.
00:16:08
Speaker
It'll be interesting to see how that relationship plays out.
00:16:10
Speaker
I think they will probably get married, but it'll be interesting to see if, like Ro said, Zach's insecurities and the lack of acceptance from Bliss's dad ends up being a bigger problem in their relationship down the line.
00:16:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:16:25
Speaker
Plus, the other thing I didn't like about Zach was like all the stupid questions he had at the beginning.
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Speaker
Like, oh, I'm a stripper.
00:16:30
Speaker
Or he was like making up stupid scenarios.
00:16:33
Speaker
Was he?
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Speaker
And they weren't even funny.
00:16:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:16:35
Speaker
Remember, like at the beginning of the pods, like.
00:16:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:16:39
Speaker
And like, I just kind of feel like that speaks to his inability to.
00:16:44
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He's just not emotionally in a place where he can just be honest about himself and his struggles without like trying to like test people.
00:16:51
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You know what I mean?
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Even if it's like a stupid test.
00:16:53
Speaker
Like I just thought that whole exchange was really immature.
00:16:56
Speaker
Like again, like I get why he's the way he is.
00:16:58
Speaker
Like he grew up very poor.
00:17:00
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He had a lot of housing instability.
00:17:01
Speaker
His mother was a sex worker.
00:17:03
Speaker
And he's probably been judged for that for a lot of reasons and feels very insecure about that.
00:17:07
Speaker
So I get it.
00:17:08
Speaker
But I just feel like the way that he handles it, it's pretty
Irina's Behavior
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immature.
00:17:11
Speaker
And I actually, in some respects, think Irina, because she also handles a lot of her insecurities in a very immature way, is probably why they are more equally yoked.
00:17:20
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And I think if there is more physical attraction between them, then I don't necessarily think he would have gone for bliss.
00:17:26
Speaker
I think you're right in a sense of like, I don't think Bliss should have accepted Zack back in any way, shape or form.
00:17:30
Speaker
And not emotionally, I think that he's actually probably more on Arena's level.
00:17:35
Speaker
It's just there wasn't enough physical attraction between the two to justify it to keep going.
00:17:40
Speaker
And you can just kind of see that from like the moment they met.
00:17:42
Speaker
Like when they met each other in the first reveal, it did not look like either of them were into each other physically.
00:17:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:49
Speaker
To be fair, Irina had a good point.
00:17:52
Speaker
Zach's stare is like that serial killer stare.
00:17:55
Speaker
It is so intense.
00:17:56
Speaker
Like the way he stares, that would make me feel uncomfortable.
00:18:00
Speaker
So, I mean, she said, I mean, she was a bit rude about it, but she did sort of have a point.
00:18:04
Speaker
Like his stare is quite intense and he kept doing it as well.
00:18:09
Speaker
Yeah, he's intense, right?
00:18:11
Speaker
Like he has issues.
00:18:12
Speaker
And I think that's why I'm kind of wondering why Bliss wants to take him on as a project.
00:18:17
Speaker
But I think Irina also has issues.
00:18:19
Speaker
Like she talked about her acne and being bullied and coming from Russia and not having, you know, being able to fit in.
00:18:26
Speaker
And so I feel like the way that she deals with her insecurities is very much the same way where she kind of deflects and attacks and
00:18:32
Speaker
like tries to test people.
00:18:34
Speaker
And so I can see just watching them both of their behavior.
00:18:37
Speaker
I'm like, oh, I see why they connected because in some ways they're like they have equally toxic coping mechanisms for their trauma.
00:18:44
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think bliss should settle for Zach.
00:18:46
Speaker
There's nothing there for me to be like, oh, this is totally something that's worth your time.
00:18:50
Speaker
I don't get it.
00:18:50
Speaker
But I
00:18:52
Speaker
Okay, so what did you think of the Irina Bliss, Irina Paul, Irina Zack drama?
00:18:57
Speaker
Because Irina was in the middle of some mess.
00:18:59
Speaker
When she said that she fancied Paul.
00:19:01
Speaker
Yeah, so okay.
00:19:02
Speaker
So in the beginning in the pods, Micah and Irina became BFFs and they were a lot of times making fun of the other girls on the show.
00:19:11
Speaker
I didn't understand that.
00:19:12
Speaker
I thought that was really, really bitchy and unnecessary.
00:19:15
Speaker
Especially when I think it was Bliss who was crying.
00:19:18
Speaker
Was it Amber?
00:19:18
Speaker
Actually, Amber was upset that, I want to say, Paul didn't choose her and Irina was, like, eavesdropping and giggling.
00:19:26
Speaker
I just thought, what the fuck?
00:19:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:29
Speaker
And then her being really passive aggressive to Bliss about the birthday candles and then deciding she doesn't like Zach so she wants to go after Paul and flirt with Paul.
00:19:38
Speaker
And I'm like, oh, Arena's the type of girl, in my opinion, anyways, is that I think she just wants to feel like she could take a guy from another girl, even if she doesn't actually want that guy.
00:19:49
Speaker
Well, first of all, she's in this competition with Bliss for Zach.
00:19:52
Speaker
She doesn't even want Zach when they meet each other.
00:19:54
Speaker
Now she's in an imaginary competition with Micah for Paul.
00:19:57
Speaker
And Paul doesn't want Arena.
00:19:58
Speaker
So it's like Arena just is kind of messy.
00:20:01
Speaker
I feel like she's a person, once again, horrible way of dealing with her insecurities.
00:20:06
Speaker
And now the way she deals with her insecurities, she tries to feel like she's superior to other women.
00:20:11
Speaker
And she only wants that guy insofar as he's unavailable and she feels like she could take it.
00:20:16
Speaker
That's my impression of her.
00:20:17
Speaker
I mean, obviously there is, I'll caveat and say there's probably a lot that isn't aired in terms of the
Is Irina Suited for 'Love is Blind'?
00:20:23
Speaker
footage.
00:20:23
Speaker
But when she was like, I was really attracted to Paul in the confessionals and to Zach, I remember thinking, but I don't think he feels the same way.
00:20:34
Speaker
You know, she was saying it like, almost like it's a reciprocal thing.
00:20:38
Speaker
Like there's a connection with me and Paul and I don't think he said, or he felt the same.
00:20:43
Speaker
So I found that a bit strange.
00:20:46
Speaker
Exactly.
00:20:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:46
Speaker
She was making it seem like it was a given.
00:20:48
Speaker
Like, again, I think she just likes needling other women.
00:20:51
Speaker
I think that's just like a thing she has because she's insecure.
00:20:54
Speaker
I mean, Chelsea clocked her a little bit.
00:20:56
Speaker
Remember?
00:20:56
Speaker
That's when I actually started to like Chelsea is when she clocked.
00:21:02
Speaker
She clocked Micah and Irina and was like, yeah, sometimes people sit around talking shit because they're real insecure.
00:21:09
Speaker
I was like, bam, you said it.
00:21:11
Speaker
So, yeah, I mean, I think she kind of got the ending and the edit she deserved.
00:21:17
Speaker
I do think it was right that I don't think she should have ever accepted Zach's proposal, to be honest.
00:21:24
Speaker
I'm not really sure why, because, you know, like, I think she's one of those contestants.
00:21:29
Speaker
Every season has that contestant where it's like, you are just not a fit for the show.
00:21:34
Speaker
Like, why would you go on it?
00:21:36
Speaker
Like, have you not seen how the show works?
00:21:39
Speaker
And I think that Irina is one of those people.
00:21:41
Speaker
I think she has a type and that's fine.
00:21:43
Speaker
But then the show's not for you.
00:21:45
Speaker
If you have a particular type and you will go and you're only interested in pursuing a relationship with that type.
00:21:52
Speaker
Do you know what I mean?
Pressure of Reality TV
00:21:53
Speaker
It's just, I don't see the point in you being on the show.
00:21:56
Speaker
Yeah, I kind of know what you mean in the sense of like, yes, the experiment was called Love is Blind.
00:22:01
Speaker
And ideally, everybody sees with their heart and not their eyes.
00:22:04
Speaker
But truthfully, this happens every season where a couple meets and they just don't have a physical chemistry and there's nothing that can be done about that.
00:22:12
Speaker
So I'm not even like really... I don't get mad at the contestants who realize like this just isn't right.
00:22:17
Speaker
It's just... It's all in how they handle it from there.
00:22:20
Speaker
Right?
00:22:20
Speaker
And I think with her, like she kept her distance for a while.
00:22:22
Speaker
And okay.
00:22:23
Speaker
And to be fair to them, I know they kind of forced them to go to Mexico once they get engaged.
00:22:27
Speaker
So...
00:22:28
Speaker
I'm serious.
00:22:28
Speaker
I don't like how women, especially because it feels very rapey to be like, you have to have sex while you're on vacation if you're not physically attracted to that person.
00:22:35
Speaker
So I know the pressure.
00:22:36
Speaker
Remember, they only know each other like a week or so before they go to Mexico.
00:22:40
Speaker
And so they go to Mexico and they're supposed to be like, quote, exploring their physical chemistry.
00:22:44
Speaker
But if you know from jump when you saw the person like, oh, I don't want to fuck this person.
00:22:47
Speaker
I feel like it's just kind of a messed up thing for the women, you know, because now it's just like a horny guy that you're stuck in a hotel room with that you don't want to have sex with.
Bliss and Zack's Relationship
00:22:55
Speaker
And so that's how they ended up being on opposite sides.
00:22:58
Speaker
of the bed for the entire vacation.
00:23:03
Speaker
And then when they finally just both admitted like they weren't into each other, it was like this toxic cloud fume like diffused because then they were just both like nagging each other.
00:23:13
Speaker
yeah and that was probably like the most they'd spoken during the whole holiday after they decided it was over he's like yeah i don't like how you look at all it's just like yeah you're just not my type and then they were just going back and forth like that and i was like yeah that's like the most i feel like that was under the surface the whole time and then once they spoke it they could just get it all out and then they just get it all out yeah
00:23:36
Speaker
part ways because she was like i don't even think we should sit together in the plane ride home and i was like well damn like she's not yeah she was done which okay i get it i don't like this aspect of the show there's got to be a way if you're not sexually attracted to your partner as a woman like they should not be trying to force you or press you to have sex with someone against your will yeah that's true that's true it's just everything else about her personality besides that was the problem but not really that she didn't want to have sex with zach because whatever
00:24:01
Speaker
But yeah, if I was Bliss, I would have sent him backpacking.
00:24:03
Speaker
So there's not really much to say about them that makes me feel inspired by Bliss and Zach as a couple.
Season Comparison
00:24:09
Speaker
And again, I think they're well suited, but I just really, really don't like the origin of their story.
00:24:15
Speaker
And I think that Bliss deserves better.
00:24:17
Speaker
It almost gave me, it's not as bad, I don't think, but it almost took me back to season two with Jared and Ayana when Jared proposed to Mallory.
00:24:29
Speaker
She blew him off and then he went back to Ayana literally straight after and proposed.
00:24:33
Speaker
It's just like, I just don't think any woman, especially a woman like Bliss or any woman really, deserves to be humiliated that way in the sense that he literally chose somebody else over you, despite you clearly giving more of a shit about him.
00:24:48
Speaker
And then the way he tried to like talk her out of it was like not romantic at all.
00:24:52
Speaker
Right.
00:24:53
Speaker
It wasn't even like he was like, oh, let me show you how much I feel for you.
00:24:56
Speaker
It was like, well, you shouldn't feel offended by that.
00:24:57
Speaker
Yeah, it was weird.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah, it was very much.
00:25:00
Speaker
He went back into that lawyer speak, isn't it?
00:25:02
Speaker
You know, when they like.
00:25:04
Speaker
Yes.
00:25:05
Speaker
That's it.
00:25:05
Speaker
On technicalities, like, okay, do you know what I mean?
00:25:08
Speaker
That was when I was like, yeah, you're a dickhead.
00:25:10
Speaker
Because everyone was like, oh yeah, he made a mistake.
00:25:12
Speaker
He knew it.
00:25:13
Speaker
And I was like, no, he didn't.
00:25:14
Speaker
He basically tried to manipulate her into believing that she wasn't his second choice when that's exactly what she was.
00:25:21
Speaker
Because his first choice didn't work out.
00:25:23
Speaker
I don't see, like, if Irina had worked out, I don't see Zach going back to Bliss.
00:25:28
Speaker
Because it's not like he had doubts about Irina as a person, but he just didn't like the fact that Irina wasn't making an effort.
00:25:34
Speaker
Do you know what I mean?
00:25:35
Speaker
exactly he just didn't like that they weren't getting physical so i think if the physical chemistry had been there then he
Kwame's Identity Issues
00:25:42
Speaker
probably would not have gone back to bliss do you remember exactly like trying to make out like if she doesn't start putting in effort i'm gonna walk away oh my god it's like me he's lame i'm not a fan of this guy at all yeah screw you screw you
00:25:58
Speaker
Yeah, and it's not because he has the background he has.
00:26:02
Speaker
It's 100% his current personality.
00:26:05
Speaker
That's that couple.
00:26:06
Speaker
Next on the list is Irina's BFF, Micah, and her man, Paul.
00:26:12
Speaker
But really the Micah, Paul, Kwame love triangle.
00:26:16
Speaker
Kwame.
00:26:16
Speaker
It's Kwame.
00:26:17
Speaker
It's not Kwame.
00:26:18
Speaker
It's not Kwame.
00:26:20
Speaker
Kwame.
00:26:20
Speaker
It's not Kwame.
00:26:21
Speaker
Like, it's supposed to, it's a Ghanaian name.
00:26:24
Speaker
Like, it would normally, well, by people in the Western world, it would be Kwame.
00:26:28
Speaker
That's the proper pronunciation.
00:26:30
Speaker
I'm not sure what, because, like, Kwame sounds better than Kwame.
00:26:33
Speaker
I see.
00:26:34
Speaker
Surely.
00:26:35
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
00:26:36
Speaker
I'm sure he just Americanized it because people probably just kept calling him Kwame.
00:26:41
Speaker
He has, like, self-hate issues, clearly.
00:26:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:44
Speaker
Well, no, he wanted to be called Alex, so there's clear self-esteem there.
00:26:47
Speaker
Oh, wait.
00:26:47
Speaker
Oh, God.
00:26:48
Speaker
Okay.
00:26:48
Speaker
Okay, let's pull over.
00:26:49
Speaker
He wanted to be called Alex.
00:26:50
Speaker
Do you remember?
00:26:53
Speaker
Yes, I am tired.
00:26:55
Speaker
I'm tired of these men of color who come on this show, who hate themselves and their culture and do everything to embarrass themselves and their culture with their like constant approval-sinking antics and like disregard of women of their own culture to like, I don't know, to just chase after white women and then cry when they get rejected.
00:27:19
Speaker
It's just like top tier embarrassing for them, really.
00:27:23
Speaker
But I need them to find some dignity like real quick.
00:27:26
Speaker
But the thing is, I don't think they care about dignity.
00:27:28
Speaker
They just want to date a particular type of woman.
00:27:31
Speaker
And usually these men of color, they're after white women in particular.
00:27:35
Speaker
So Sheik, Eske, Kwame.
00:27:39
Speaker
Yeah, it was Shake, SK, Kwame.
00:27:42
Speaker
There's always one.
00:27:43
Speaker
But my thing is, is like, these guys think it's because of their race.
00:27:46
Speaker
It doesn't occur to them.
00:27:47
Speaker
It's like, no, it's because you're medium ugly.
00:27:48
Speaker
It's because you're ugly, bro.
00:27:49
Speaker
Like, it's not like, it's always the guys crying about like, racial.
00:27:54
Speaker
I feel like it's still biased that no one, someone just needs to pull them aside and be like, no, it's actually just because you're ugly, Ro.
00:27:59
Speaker
Like, you're having trouble not because it stopped projecting your ugly problems on
Kwame and Chelsea's Relationship
00:28:04
Speaker
everybody else.
00:28:04
Speaker
But I just feel like watching both of them and Shake and like their entire behavior is just like, I don't know why they keep finding this type of man to put on the show every, maybe they purposely seek out reality TV because actually the tea was spilled that Kwame actually tried out for Married at First Sight and was rejected from that show.
00:28:22
Speaker
So these guys just have like deep seated issues with their culture and race.
00:28:28
Speaker
And it's just like, you know what I mean?
00:28:30
Speaker
It just gets a lot of secondhand cringe, like watching them like literally crying because like they're not getting enough dates from white women.
00:28:39
Speaker
Like, I don't know what to say about it.
00:28:41
Speaker
So Kwame's rationale for choosing Chelsea was odd to me because it seemed like stemming from his insecurities about possibly being a black man and not getting the sorts of women, white women that he wanted.
00:28:56
Speaker
It was like, I need her to tell me that she wants me sort of thing.
00:29:01
Speaker
And Chelsea was happy to do that.
00:29:03
Speaker
Yeah, Chelsea is really into him.
00:29:04
Speaker
And once again, I don't get it because Kame just isn't very affectionate towards her and he's pretty borderline rude.
00:29:12
Speaker
And I mean, not even actually not even borderline.
00:29:13
Speaker
He's very rude towards her.
00:29:15
Speaker
And the entire conversation he had with Micah, where he was clearly still emotionally hanging off Micah's every word, inappropriate.
00:29:23
Speaker
I think for me, that was even worse than the situation with Bartice and Raven.
00:29:28
Speaker
Not even because Raven shot Bartice down, but I think at least we're basically like awarding a rabid dog with a scrap here.
00:29:36
Speaker
But at least like Bartice was, seemed somewhat aware that there wasn't a chance with Raven.
00:29:41
Speaker
He was just chatting shit and slightly trying to shoot his shot, but also knew that the ship had sailed, right?
00:29:46
Speaker
Somewhat.
00:29:47
Speaker
But yeah, Kwame was just, it was almost like he was happy to continue having that connection with Micah.
00:29:54
Speaker
And he never once shot, you know, Micah down when she was like, I still love you.
00:29:58
Speaker
I still care about you.
00:29:59
Speaker
All that, all that stuff.
00:30:00
Speaker
Like, yeah, snake behavior.
Kwame's Feelings for Micah
00:30:02
Speaker
Absolute waste man behavior.
00:30:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:04
Speaker
And she made sort of a, an off color joke about here's to failed engagement.
00:30:08
Speaker
Which was clearly triggered him.
00:30:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:11
Speaker
He took it to the depths of his soul.
00:30:14
Speaker
He took to the depths of his soul.
00:30:16
Speaker
Which I actually thought was hilarious.
00:30:18
Speaker
I died.
00:30:21
Speaker
Micah's defense, I probably would have said some shit like that too.
00:30:24
Speaker
And again, like surely like that should have been a sign that this woman, you might really like her, but she doesn't rate you in the same way.
00:30:31
Speaker
And that's fine.
00:30:32
Speaker
You know, but he took it to the depths of his soul and had like, tried to have a couple's meeting about it.
00:30:37
Speaker
She literally didn't care.
00:30:39
Speaker
Exactly.
00:30:39
Speaker
And she don't care.
00:30:40
Speaker
Right.
00:30:40
Speaker
Like she was totally amused by the entire situation and just loving the attention, but she doesn't care about Kwame.
00:30:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:47
Speaker
She just wants to keep him in the hook because she likes having a dramatic storyline and likes attention, more or less.
00:30:53
Speaker
But...
00:30:54
Speaker
I just thought, listen, I don't think there's anything wrong with him being disappointed that he didn't get chosen in the pods and like crying because he thought they had a connection.
00:31:04
Speaker
It was like a little much, but it was interesting just to see like his like inability to let it go or complete disregard of Chelsea.
00:31:13
Speaker
At that point, I just feel like I feel like he proposed to Chelsea to stay on the show and he's just like clout chaser that wants to be on TV.
00:31:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:19
Speaker
I don't think his connection with Chelsea's real.
00:31:22
Speaker
I think Chelsea thinks it's real, but I think he's just going through the motions and doing the barest of minimums of what he has to do in order to keep being on TV.
00:31:30
Speaker
Yeah, he's not into her.
00:31:32
Speaker
And it's a shame because Chelsea, even though I think she can be quite intense and passive aggressive, but she does seem to be in for the experiment, you know, and to really be serious about finding marriage
Kwame's Cultural Struggles
00:31:44
Speaker
and stuff like that.
00:31:44
Speaker
And she's just shacked up with a guy who just isn't into her in the same way.
00:31:49
Speaker
Once again, cuter than him.
00:31:51
Speaker
He's so medium ugly to me.
00:31:53
Speaker
Like, maybe not even medium ugly.
00:31:54
Speaker
Like, I think she's just like, looks-wise, actually more attractive to him.
00:31:59
Speaker
I think even aside from looks, his whole personality and his outlook, like, because I know that some people of color choose to anglicize their names for pronunciation, but I generally find that quite off-putting, especially if it's something quite subtle, like, you know, Kwame versus Kwame.
00:32:17
Speaker
Like, why wouldn't you...
00:32:18
Speaker
Just, you know what I mean?
00:32:19
Speaker
I would find that off-putting personally.
00:32:20
Speaker
And I'm just saying, are you ashamed of your culture or do you hate yourself?
00:32:24
Speaker
Something like that.
00:32:25
Speaker
I mean, he clearly is, right?
00:32:26
Speaker
That's what's sort of off-putting about him.
00:32:29
Speaker
I feel for him coming from a very similarly religious, strict background that you can go through a period where you just kind of want to distance yourself from certain ways of how you were brought up.
00:32:40
Speaker
Yeah, it does seem like he just doesn't have any like dignity or something, right?
00:32:45
Speaker
I don't know.
00:32:46
Speaker
It doesn't mean you have to like embrace everything about your culture, but it's one thing to go from humble beginnings and still have like a sense of your own self pride and not be begging for validation.
00:32:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean,
00:32:58
Speaker
I just look at the difference between how Brett deals with his upbringing and his trauma and his poverty versus the way that Kwame and Zach do.
00:33:09
Speaker
And you can kind of just see the difference in the healthy coping mechanism for it or the healthy way to express it versus these other two guys.
00:33:19
Speaker
who just seem like they're begging for a lot of validation, which kind of understandable given where they come from.
00:33:25
Speaker
But then I think what makes it so off-putting is like the emotional intensity behind it.
00:33:29
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:33:30
Speaker
Behind the like desperation for validation from these people.
00:33:34
Speaker
It is sad in a way that they feel this way, but at the same time, it's like, that's definitely, and I would say to any person of colour, that's definitely something I would advise you unpack before you start dating people.
00:33:46
Speaker
Because if you go in with this sort of inferiority complex, you are going to have a bad time dating, 100% guaranteed.
Chelsea's Emotional Engagement
00:33:53
Speaker
Especially if it's around your skin colour or your background or your heritage.
00:33:57
Speaker
And you could potentially also hurt a lot of people in the meantime, like Kwame is doing to Chelsea.
00:34:04
Speaker
I pegged Kwame as a cheater too.
00:34:06
Speaker
I think he's going to cheat on Chelsea.
00:34:07
Speaker
That's just my like.
00:34:08
Speaker
I think it's another SK.
00:34:09
Speaker
Because you can just see his whole body language is just... He's technically cheated already though, at least emotionally, because he's still like into Micah, openly into her.
00:34:19
Speaker
I think he's just looking for an opportunity and an exit.
00:34:22
Speaker
I think he wants to look like a nice guy on TV and stay on TV and that at the first opportunity, he's going to bounce, which makes me feel bad for Chelsea.
00:34:30
Speaker
But Chelsea was forcing this relationship.
00:34:32
Speaker
Yeah, she was quite intense sometimes, especially when they were talking about incompatibilities and she basically said, oh, well, we've got marriage to, you know, basically like when we get married, we'll get over it.
00:34:44
Speaker
And it's like, no, that's not, you know, marriage isn't the bandaid for every issue or argument or compatibility talk that you have.
00:34:52
Speaker
Like you talk about these things prior to marriage, but it seems like Chelsea
00:34:57
Speaker
I don't know if it's because she, I'm not sure if she said that because she's just trying to get him down the aisle because she senses that maybe he's not into it.
00:35:05
Speaker
So she's trying to lock him down with marriage.
00:35:08
Speaker
I don't know if that's why she's saying that.
00:35:10
Speaker
But yeah, that's not a way to see marriage.
00:35:13
Speaker
It's not a case of, oh, we'll figure it out when we get married.
00:35:16
Speaker
We've got marriage to figure that out when it's like, you need to figure that out before.
00:35:20
Speaker
Otherwise you won't be married for very long.
00:35:22
Speaker
For sure.
00:35:23
Speaker
And I think because she doesn't feel secure in that relationship and she shouldn't, that sometimes she does things that are a bit passive aggressive or she tries to like force compliments.
00:35:33
Speaker
She tries to force feed him compliments to say to her.
00:35:35
Speaker
And she did that a bunch of times in a few of the scenes where they're out, like when they were at the suit fitting shop and shopping, like she kept trying to force compliments out of Kwame that he didn't, he wasn't just freely giving her.
00:35:48
Speaker
And I think that's just insecurity.
00:35:51
Speaker
I mean, she's making a lot of bids for attention.
00:35:53
Speaker
And because this is in the Gottman Institute, right?
00:35:55
Speaker
And this is one of the ways in which they can tell if a marriage or a relationship is going to be successful long term.
00:36:00
Speaker
So in a normal relationship, couples make bids for attention all the time.
00:36:04
Speaker
So it could be like, hey...
00:36:06
Speaker
I've had a bad day, bid for attention.
00:36:08
Speaker
Oh, hey, look at this TV show.
00:36:10
Speaker
Hey, I'm going out.
00:36:11
Speaker
And these are all like subtle cues that you want your partner to engage with you emotionally.
00:36:15
Speaker
And the more successful relationships, in the more successful relationships, partners respond to bids of attention because they recognize that their partner is trying to connect with them in some way, right?
00:36:28
Speaker
But the bids of attention that I see that Chelsea is like throwing out to Kwame, it seems like he misses all of them.
00:36:36
Speaker
And that's a key sign that he's just not invested in the relationship because he doesn't care.
00:36:41
Speaker
He doesn't care.
00:36:42
Speaker
Exactly.
00:36:42
Speaker
So he's not invested.
00:36:43
Speaker
So in a relationship where two people are invested, they'll turn towards each other, almost like Brett and Tiffany do.
00:36:49
Speaker
Like they turn towards each other as when in Kwame and Chelsea's relationship, he turns away from her or shuts her down as being passive aggressive or intense or rude or whatever.
00:37:01
Speaker
Do you know what I
Micah and Paul's Relationship
00:37:02
Speaker
mean?
00:37:02
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:37:04
Speaker
So I think it's just that they're fundamentally incompatible.
00:37:08
Speaker
He's for whatever reason hung up on Micah.
00:37:11
Speaker
And I don't know, I feel bad.
00:37:13
Speaker
I feel like Chelsea's going to get her heart broken.
00:37:15
Speaker
And it makes me kind of sad because I don't think he's a good dude.
00:37:18
Speaker
I don't think he's like actively horrible dude, but I also don't think he's, I think he's like extremely self-interested in self-serving and combine that with like the level of insecurity he has.
00:37:29
Speaker
It's going to be difficult for him to be in a relationship with someone.
00:37:33
Speaker
So yeah, I don't like, yeah, I don't like him for her.
00:37:36
Speaker
I hope Chelsea moves on to someone better.
00:37:39
Speaker
Which brings us to Micah and Paul, who I just don't get as a couple.
00:37:46
Speaker
I don't get it.
00:37:46
Speaker
I don't see what they had in common.
00:37:49
Speaker
I don't.
00:37:50
Speaker
Yeah, I don't see it at all.
00:37:52
Speaker
I literally cannot tell why these two like each other.
00:37:55
Speaker
So I don't even know how to dissect this relationship because... No, I don't know either.
00:38:01
Speaker
Most boring couple I've seen in the entire season.
00:38:04
Speaker
Maybe so far in all the seasons, just like a bland couple.
00:38:07
Speaker
I have no idea why they're into each other.
00:38:11
Speaker
big fat question mark about their emotional profile because i'm like he admittedly says he's an environmental scientist he mostly dates women who are way more earthy more into like he said but he called them witchcraft or he liked women who were witches like brewing their own kombucha they have their own gardens yeah into yoga i can definitely see like him dating that sort of woman for sure
00:38:36
Speaker
So what does he have in common with Micah?
00:38:38
Speaker
I don't even know what to say about Micah.
00:38:39
Speaker
Once again, I don't get the obsession with her.
00:38:42
Speaker
I don't think she's into him that much either.
00:38:45
Speaker
Yeah, I don't get I don't see it either.
00:38:47
Speaker
I don't know if she's once again, if she just wants to be on television, just wants to get that blue check on Instagram, you know why she's going through with it with these guys, like they didn't have a moment where you felt like, oh, they're totally emotionally connecting.
00:38:59
Speaker
And even Paul kept saying things like, oh, she thinks the same that I do about life and etc.
00:39:04
Speaker
And I'm like, I feel like she's the type of person that would just say whatever the guy wants to hear.
00:39:07
Speaker
She just wants to be wanted.
00:39:10
Speaker
just to dangle the carrot and her friends oh my gosh her friends wow yeah her friends were different i mean i don't know i just i think they're not gonna make it down at all because you could tell paul got the ick after meeting her friends like he could see physically like visibly like he left and then she was like well why don't you care what they think and he's like i just don't like
00:39:33
Speaker
But meaning like he doesn't respect her friends.
00:39:36
Speaker
Well, yeah, I mean, obviously, again, it was edited, but I, I just feel like it was a bit, I'm not sure how she came to the conclusion that Paul wasn't right for Micah, unless she knows the sort of drama that Micah likes to tangle herself in, possibly.
00:39:53
Speaker
But yeah, I just got really, really bad vibes from Micah's friends.
00:39:56
Speaker
But then again, it's like, if you look at how she treated other women in the pods, it sort of checks out
00:40:03
Speaker
to be honest.
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think she just seems really shallow, more or less.
00:40:08
Speaker
And I bet her friends were kind of hinting at that, like, oh, I don't like him for, because like, I mean, again, with Paul, like, he seems like he wants an emotional connection with someone, but I just don't see a lot of emotional depth from Micah at all.
00:40:20
Speaker
So that's why I'm just kind of confused.
00:40:22
Speaker
No, I don't.
00:40:23
Speaker
I'm confused at like why they're together.
00:40:25
Speaker
And maybe there was some and it just wasn't shown.
00:40:28
Speaker
But I mean, they definitely framed her as a more like manipulative person, her and Irina.
00:40:33
Speaker
And I'm more like, oh, I just want all the guys here to want me vibe.
00:40:37
Speaker
So which whatever.
00:40:38
Speaker
I mean, far be it for me to like tell these women they can't get their 15 minutes, I suppose.
00:40:43
Speaker
But it just it does make it hard to dissect because it doesn't feel nothing about it feels genuine.
00:40:47
Speaker
Where some of the other couples, you can tell that they were in the experiment and it felt genuine.
Jackie and Marshall's Dynamics
00:40:52
Speaker
It just doesn't feel genuine coming from Micah.
00:40:54
Speaker
Like, does she actually want to be married?
00:40:56
Speaker
I don't know.
00:40:57
Speaker
I don't think she does, to be honest.
00:40:59
Speaker
Or at least she doesn't want to be married to any of the guys in the pods anyway.
00:41:02
Speaker
So, yeah, I don't even know what to say about that couple as well.
00:41:04
Speaker
I don't think they'll get married.
00:41:06
Speaker
They shouldn't get married.
00:41:07
Speaker
Paul should go and find his kombucha making yoga, twisting.
00:41:12
Speaker
Other half.
00:41:13
Speaker
Earthy.
00:41:13
Speaker
Other half.
00:41:14
Speaker
Which brings us to the last couple.
00:41:20
Speaker
Well, couples, couples technically.
00:41:22
Speaker
Love triangle.
00:41:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:24
Speaker
Jackie and Marshall and then Jackie and Josh.
00:41:27
Speaker
Listen, I knew Jackie and Marshall were not going to work out.
00:41:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:32
Speaker
from the pod conversation.
00:41:34
Speaker
And then it was solidified to me when she saw him in person.
00:41:36
Speaker
I was like, oh, she's not into him sexually.
00:41:38
Speaker
It's never going to work.
00:41:39
Speaker
He's shorter than she usually dates.
00:41:42
Speaker
Anything about this man, like one day he's going to do something that annoys her and she's going to blow up all over him because she's not sexually attracted to him.
00:41:48
Speaker
Isn't that basically what she did though?
00:41:49
Speaker
When she said like, basically you're not man enough and we don't even have sex and whatever.
00:41:53
Speaker
Basically did that.
00:41:55
Speaker
And I think it's easy to over-focus on her because like she's got, she wears all her issues.
00:42:01
Speaker
She just doesn't have the most emotionally mature way of dealing with her problems.
00:42:04
Speaker
But like Marshall's also like a very much a nice guy trademark, quote, quote.
00:42:08
Speaker
Yeah, he was.
00:42:10
Speaker
He kind of icked me out too, to be honest.
00:42:12
Speaker
Like, I don't think he's a horrible guy, but I think he's like emotionally codependent and manipulative.
00:42:18
Speaker
And the way he was like, tell me what I need to do to make this work.
00:42:22
Speaker
And I thought, at this point, he knew that, you know, that she wasn't feeling it as well.
00:42:27
Speaker
But he kept on asking that question, which I thought was a bit strange, to be honest.
00:42:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:34
Speaker
I mean, I just looked at it from jump and I was like, oh, she's going to bail.
00:42:37
Speaker
She's not into him.
00:42:38
Speaker
This is where it gets weird because I feel like she tried to make it work because she knew Marshall would probably be much different than the guy she normally dates who are clearly emotionally unavailable.
00:42:47
Speaker
Admittedly so.
00:42:49
Speaker
So her trying to engage with Marshall was like her trying to throw herself in this experiment.
00:42:54
Speaker
But ultimately, she wasn't physically attracted to him.
00:42:56
Speaker
So I don't think it ever would have gone anywhere.
00:42:58
Speaker
off that alone.
00:42:59
Speaker
And so I think where it got weird and toxic was just, I think Marshall just kept trying to hang on and emotionally connect with her.
00:43:07
Speaker
And she's not a person that can articulate her feelings in a way that's very...
00:43:14
Speaker
I don't know how to explain it.
00:43:15
Speaker
Like she's not emotionally articulate.
00:43:17
Speaker
So like Marshall continuously trying to engage with her in a way that's a little bit more emotionally articulate was never going to work because she doesn't have the depth of that kind of knowledge or experience of telling people those types of things.
00:43:28
Speaker
And you could tell like the way that she talked about other people, like calling Irina a peasant and
Jackie's Relationship Decision
00:43:32
Speaker
all this kind of stuff.
00:43:32
Speaker
Like she's kind of a mean girl too.
00:43:35
Speaker
I mean, but also fair.
00:43:36
Speaker
Irina was kind of like, kind of terrible to other women.
00:43:40
Speaker
So whatever.
00:43:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:43
Speaker
She straight up called Irina a peasant.
00:43:45
Speaker
I'm not thinking about me doing that, but I swear that's like an African-American, such African inzo because my dad calls, people he doesn't like peasant.
00:43:56
Speaker
He calls them peasants as well.
00:43:59
Speaker
Peasant.
00:44:03
Speaker
I think that's definitely African vernacular for someone you don't like.
00:44:06
Speaker
Worldwide African vernacular for this person is beneath me.
00:44:11
Speaker
Peasant.
00:44:11
Speaker
Even if that person is earning more than you, if you don't like them, just call them a peasant.
00:44:19
Speaker
Emotional peasant.
00:44:24
Speaker
Yeah, she's just not very emotionally articulate.
00:44:27
Speaker
And so Marshall keeps trying to engage with her in a level that she can't.
00:44:32
Speaker
So it just was never going to work.
00:44:34
Speaker
I think that was the emotional connection they made with the pods.
00:44:38
Speaker
I think it was very new for her.
00:44:40
Speaker
And she said that she's like, I've never had a guy cook for me.
00:44:42
Speaker
I've never had a guy engage with me or break down my walls or talk to me like this.
00:44:47
Speaker
And so...
00:44:48
Speaker
All this is very new to her.
00:44:49
Speaker
And I think Marshall wants to have these like sophisticated therapist led conversations with her that she just cannot do.
00:44:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:58
Speaker
And I think Josh as well, that was...
00:45:03
Speaker
Also an emotional peasant, but that's what I'm saying.
00:45:05
Speaker
I think they were actually kind of equally yoked.
00:45:07
Speaker
When I saw Josh and when I saw Marshall, I was like, oh, she's going to regret picking Marshall.
00:45:12
Speaker
Josh is like probably her more emotional type pattern as well as... I don't know if I'd call him more physically attractive than Marshall, but he has a better hairline.
00:45:22
Speaker
That's for sure.
00:45:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:25
Speaker
And he dresses nicer.
00:45:26
Speaker
I mean, when I saw Josh, I was like, okay, this guy's mid, I think.
00:45:31
Speaker
He's not anything.
00:45:32
Speaker
Like, yeah, he's mid.
00:45:34
Speaker
I wouldn't say he's substantially more attractive than Marshall, personally, but clearly Jackie thought otherwise.
00:45:42
Speaker
So Josh is actually the other thing, too, is Josh is an athlete.
00:45:45
Speaker
So she says she normally dates like tall, tatted up athlete type.
00:45:49
Speaker
So Josh is like apparently I see trained in MMA and jujitsu.
00:45:55
Speaker
So physically, I was like, oh, yeah, she's probably like, that's the guy that she wants to be with.
00:45:59
Speaker
But there's some tea in terms of the editing.
00:46:02
Speaker
So Jackie's been on social media talking about how she got the villain edit, basically, because the show, well, basically says that she met up with Josh...
00:46:15
Speaker
and almost agreed to give their relationship a go, you know, while she was still with Marshall.
00:46:21
Speaker
So, you know, in that episode where she meets Josh in the cafe and they agree to get together and she kisses him.
00:46:27
Speaker
And then the next scene or a couple of scenes after that, she's then telling Marshall that it's over.
00:46:32
Speaker
But Jackie is claiming that the scene in the cafe happened after she'd split up with Marshall and they edited it to make out like she was cheating on Marshall, basically.
Jackie's Honest Conversation
00:46:43
Speaker
Yeah, I figured they would do that.
00:46:44
Speaker
It's for maximum drama.
00:46:46
Speaker
I could see it either way.
00:46:48
Speaker
But either way, I definitely feel like it was good for her to break things off with Marshall.
00:46:52
Speaker
And I think she should have maybe done that even sooner because I think she was trying to give it a go.
00:46:57
Speaker
And then when she was done, she just doesn't have a very mature way of letting a guy down easy.
00:47:02
Speaker
So she picks fights, right?
00:47:03
Speaker
So like, I feel like a lot of those moments which are her just like sabotaging the relationship because she didn't want to be in anymore.
00:47:08
Speaker
So she was just picking fights with him.
00:47:10
Speaker
And it was really unfair to Marshall, but it was ultimately for the best anyway.
00:47:15
Speaker
And I think that, again, it's just that he was also intense.
00:47:20
Speaker
I mean, not like Chelsea intense, but I think that Marshall was also quite intense in some of the ways that he almost tried to be overtly accommodating.
00:47:31
Speaker
And like you said, it was quite clear that Jackie didn't have the capacity for that, but he kept trying to push it.
00:47:37
Speaker
I mean, even the beginning when like he was going to fight Josh over Jackie, I was like, this guy is such a clown.
00:47:44
Speaker
Like, first of all, yeah, Josh is an athlete and he would have like definitely put Marshall into the floor.
00:47:50
Speaker
That's just the reality of it.
00:47:52
Speaker
Team stud power driver.
00:47:55
Speaker
And I know people called him Will Smith on the show, but like it definitely gave the like, keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth moment.
00:48:02
Speaker
Like with Marshall, where like he just has like pent up emotional dysregulation that he was ready to take out on Josh.
00:48:08
Speaker
But I'm like, don't get yourself embarrassed on television, man.
00:48:11
Speaker
Like it was just like...
00:48:14
Speaker
Okay, so on some levels, I guess it's kind of romantic.
00:48:17
Speaker
And I think a lot of women like the idea that a guy would defend, would fight for her, right?
00:48:21
Speaker
If he really, really likes her.
00:48:23
Speaker
And I think Jackie also really liked that at first.
00:48:25
Speaker
But then again, it just seems like a guy who's sort of just like emotionally needy, right?
00:48:30
Speaker
And for someone...
00:48:31
Speaker
that emotionally needy.
00:48:32
Speaker
He needs someone a lot more emotionally articulate and a lot more emotionally educated than Jackie is.
00:48:37
Speaker
But I think Jackie's beautiful.
00:48:39
Speaker
She's probably the type of girl that he always wishes that he could get with.
00:48:43
Speaker
And so that rejection really hurt because he didn't hurt physically, obviously, but emotionally, like she just, she's not from the type of background to talk to him on the level that he wants.
00:48:56
Speaker
Even she admitted that.
00:48:57
Speaker
She was like, oh, it seems like he's really high class.
00:48:59
Speaker
And I was like, oh, man, like, I wonder where she comes from if like she thinks like Marshall's high class.
00:49:04
Speaker
Like he's solidly working class to me, but she might not come from much.
00:49:08
Speaker
Right.
00:49:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:10
Speaker
There's not really a judgment call on this couple.
00:49:11
Speaker
It's over.
00:49:13
Speaker
But apparently Josh and Jackie are still together and going strong.
00:49:16
Speaker
So do do do do.
Excitement for Reunion Show
00:49:19
Speaker
Right.
00:49:19
Speaker
So I'm really excited for the reunion because I want to see all the drama.
00:49:22
Speaker
I wonder if Josh will be there at the reunion.
00:49:25
Speaker
I would love to see that, to see if to hear the story about Josh and Jackie and see if like, because the tea is that they're actually living together.
00:49:32
Speaker
So they've been dating since the show aired.
00:49:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:37
Speaker
So it's been working, apparently.
00:49:39
Speaker
Wow.
00:49:40
Speaker
OK, that's some tea.
00:49:42
Speaker
Oh, wow.
00:49:43
Speaker
OK, that's
00:49:44
Speaker
And what's interesting too, is Jackie even says to Josh, and I think this is where she started to be really emotionally honest with herself, where she says to Josh, listen, I can't give you marriage if that's what you're actually looking for, but we can just see where these things go.
00:49:58
Speaker
And I was like, yeah, that's probably a more emotionally honest thing that she said.
00:50:01
Speaker
That's fair.
00:50:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:03
Speaker
Cause she probably realized like, oh wait, like being with Marshall and the reality of marriage is actually staring her in the face.
00:50:09
Speaker
And truth be told, Marshall probably would have went through with it if she had actually gone down the aisle.
00:50:14
Speaker
She probably realized like, maybe I don't want this in my life right now, but she wants to be with someone.
00:50:19
Speaker
So I don't know.
00:50:21
Speaker
I'm actually quite looking forward to this reunion out of all of the season so far.
00:50:25
Speaker
I'm looking forward to this one purely because there's just so many like cross relationships and it will be interesting to see how Chelsea feels about the conversations that for example,
00:50:38
Speaker
between Micah and Kwame and how Paul feels about that as well.
00:50:41
Speaker
So yeah, it's going to be a messy one.
00:50:43
Speaker
And I'm here for it, to be honest.
00:50:45
Speaker
I am here for it.
00:50:46
Speaker
Yeah, a lot of emotionally explosive people.
00:50:49
Speaker
So I'm here for it.
00:50:50
Speaker
I love it when it gets messy.
00:50:52
Speaker
And when Marshall finally get his WWE match against Josh, stay tuned.
00:50:58
Speaker
That man can get himself embarrassed and I'm going to feel bad because he doesn't deserve it, but...
00:51:04
Speaker
Yeah, I did like the bromance between Marshall and Brett, though.
00:51:08
Speaker
That was pretty cute.
00:51:09
Speaker
So as far as like the friendships on this show, Brett and Marshall, I feel like it was a much healthier relationship than what he had with Jackie.
00:51:16
Speaker
And then on the other hand, you saw that sort of toxic frenemy relationship between Irena and Micah take hold.
00:51:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:25
Speaker
And then I don't know the deal with Jackie.
00:51:27
Speaker
Jackie seems like she's just Jackie, I guess.
00:51:30
Speaker
I don't know if she really had a friendship on the show, but her and Chelsea were kind of friends.
00:51:35
Speaker
And then fortunately for Tiffany, she stayed away from the crazy and focused on her relationship.
00:51:40
Speaker
So...
00:51:42
Speaker
Yeah, she did.
00:51:44
Speaker
And also it seems like she's got a solid group of friends anyway.
00:51:46
Speaker
So yeah, she came into it with good friends, good head on their shoulders.
00:51:50
Speaker
So yeah, I'm here.
00:51:52
Speaker
I'll be having the popcorn.
00:51:53
Speaker
I think it is soon the reunion.
00:51:55
Speaker
So yeah, the reunion is going to air on April 16th.
00:51:59
Speaker
So it should have aired by the time you hear this episode.
00:52:02
Speaker
Yay.
00:52:03
Speaker
I'm glad they don't make us wait ages for the reunion like the last
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:52:06
Speaker
time.
00:52:06
Speaker
Yeah, I'm hyped.
00:52:08
Speaker
All right.
00:52:08
Speaker
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00:52:10
Speaker
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00:52:11
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00:52:30
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00:52:32
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00:52:33
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00:52:34
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