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PODPOD x Keeper League Crossover: 2021 Classic/Keeper Review | #2G4PODPOD
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It's finally here - the moment you've all been waiting for! Heff and Kaes join the PODPOD to recap all things AFL Fantasy Classic and Keeper for season 2021! Sit back, relax, and recover from the AFL Grand Final hangover with some fantasy footy listening before the offseason of trade rumours, free agency, and Horny-Franc / Daicos talk begins!
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Introduction and Hosts Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the special crossover edition of the Kepa League Pod and the Pod Pod. This episode will recap some of our best and worst picks across the season in both the classic and Kepa League formats, as well as a couple of players to keep an eye on in 2022. It's the Kepa League Pod Pod.
00:00:24
Speaker
G'day everyone, it's Dossi here with Heff from the Kepa League pod as well as K's from the Kepa League pod. Louis not with us tonight, he was going to be here but he's got some family issues to attend to so all the best to Louis. We'll touch on a bit about his season mainly just his rank in a moment but all the best to you Louis and thanks for being part of Pod Pod in 2021.
00:00:45
Speaker
Heff mate, how are
AFL Grand Final Recap and Beer Discussions
00:00:47
Speaker
you? We've just had the AFL Grand Final yesterday, and Dusty wasn't part of the Grand Final this year, but that's probably how we all feel right now. Yes, extremely, extremely, extremely hungover today. It's been a long day today. It was a long day yesterday actually in the lead up to the Grand Final. It was. But yeah, hard to get that timing right, when to have your first beer, when to have your last beer, and then you end up in a situation like today.
00:01:10
Speaker
But anyway, it's going on. Well, we did see your lineup of beers posted on Twitter. Did you manage to get through the lot, mate? And how were they? They were great. I did share a few of them. I bought myself a schooner and then passed the rest out type of thing. So yeah, I'm quite generous. What's the recommendation out of those ones would you go for? Oh, the bank's pastry stout. I think it was called. Oh, I bake or something like that. It was quite good.
00:01:33
Speaker
How many really heavy alcoholic beers were you drinking? Were you talking 8%ers, you know, yesterday? They were all like, yeah, all between, like, so, yeah, 7 and 8%, yeah. And I wonder why you hung them over half. Yeah, well, only six of them, but yeah, it still probably works out to be about 15 standard drinks though, so I don't know.
00:01:48
Speaker
And Kaze, you're talking pre-show that you're not a fan of the night grand final. You sneak a few couple cheekies in yourself, mate. Did have a couple cheeky beers last night at a mate's place, but I was trying to say heft before. When the night grand final was on, or grand final was on, most people are really quite attentive, especially if you've got lots of
Grand Final Game Analysis and Keeper League Prospects
00:02:06
Speaker
footy fans. So you've kind of locked in. You're not really talking too much social stuff or the game's on. You kind of committed. Obviously, last night, last quarter, it was game over.
00:02:15
Speaker
You want that time to debrief after the game and the night just escapes from you and before you know it, it's one o'clock or something like that. That's my issue with the night going final. I do just like a bit of, a couple of bevvies in the day always just works well and not having to deal with, I mean, we still got that, but they're not having to deal with that. I'm just grateful we have a grand final to watch, guys. Can't stop complaining. Okay, all right.
00:02:36
Speaker
What's good, did you guys, was the game enjoyable from both fronts? We've got no horse in the race, but for three quarters, it was a bloody good game. I don't remember the second half, so it was a great game. It was fine. I just watched one of it, and yeah, it was quite even. Bulldogs won, didn't they? Three or four goals. Yeah, we won't say that.
00:02:55
Speaker
Look, was there anything from a caper league perspective before we crack into some classic stuff here that you were intrigued with the grand final? Because I know there was some juicy keeper prospects out there, and I think one of the players you guys have liked throughout the year in Trent Rivers was running out there. Maybe a bowie thing was out there as well. Bowie had a good game. Luke Jackson had a good game. He was an 80-odd, I think, and he was an 83, I think.
00:03:16
Speaker
Then you've got your Bailey Fritsch, who is just real goal dependent, but when he kicks six, you take that. Only scored 86 or something like that. Yeah, true. True. Just crazy. Yeah. Well, that's Bailey Fritsch. You pretty much treat him like a proper key target, like key forward, tall forward. Scores the kind of same way. What's up with scoring the same way?
00:03:31
Speaker
I did have a look. A lot of the top scorers were 2G4Ps though. I think it was the top eight or something with 2G4P. I reckon. So it was actually like a game. And I saw a lot of punters out there actually had good nights because a lot of the ball mag stuff actually performed last night. They were the best performers. So there's a lot of multis out there on Twitter that seem to get up as well.
00:03:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think it was a good night all around, I reckon. Yeah, I think one of the players going forward as well that we thought might have been an exciting grand final specialist as well, but didn't show up necessarily on the day, but it was looking like a player of the future. It was Cozy Pickett. I don't think he barely was sighted in this one. And he's probably a guy that I thought would have stood up and a keeper league prospect for years to come as well. I don't like the small forward types, but he can be quite similar to someone like Fridge, though, if he gets enough for your goals, he'll be all right.
00:04:16
Speaker
Can't forget that those guys are super young. Jackson, Pickett, Sparrow. They're all probably 20, 21. Could be a dynasty coming in from Melbourne. James Jordan, who's a guy that didn't even get on the ground that's going to be sick for years to come. Still a medal.
00:04:32
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Do you want the medal if you didn't actually get on the ground? I'd probably take it to be honest. I'd take it. I'd take it too, but you'd just be like, ugh. It was last night guys. 57 years, you're technically a part of that, so yeah, take
Fantasy Season Recap and Trading Strategies
00:04:44
Speaker
that. Alright, well let's get into the content, talk some fantasy footy. How have you guys been going without the fantasy side of things? Doing a bit of DFS or just completely going away from it and now footy, fantasy footy's completely done now that we've got the grand final out of the way.
00:04:57
Speaker
I've completely switched off from fantasy and just need a bit of a break. I've been doing a few things like, you know, I've been doing stuff on the multimedia side of things of our podcasts and getting a few things set up for next year. So I've still been working on the pod, but yeah, I haven't really been taking too much note. I checked the scores, you know, but I haven't really been getting right into it, but yeah, still watch all the games and finals though. So I've not checked one fantasy score since the season's finished. Obviously still can't know what's going on with the footy, but just nice.
00:05:25
Speaker
It's nice to be able to watch footy and not actually have to worry about who's scoring, I think. Finals is a bit of a blessing. I think our real fantasy sort of season starts or pre-season begins what, this week or next week with trade radio and all the juicy trades and free agencies that we're going to be seeing. Absolutely. Trade radio starts tomorrow. Tomorrow. This is Sunday night. We're recording, by the way. All right. Let's talk about the greatest fantasy format out there, Kaze, wouldn't you agree, which is fantasy classic. No comment.
00:05:51
Speaker
We're just going to do a little bit of a recap of our season, talk some starting picks, some worst picks, all that sort of thing. And we'll just talk quickly about Louis who... We'll go an order of ranking, so Louis must have your first. Yeah, that's a good point. So Louis was first. 809 was his final rank. So he was definitely in the hunt in that mid sort of season and 809 to finish the season. Awesome job from him. He copped basically every single bullet there was to cop in that sort of around the buyers and after the buyers, but bloody hell, Louis.
00:06:20
Speaker
awesome season, mate. Yeah, not quite as good as my 7.24 last year, but yeah, not too bad there, Louis. No, Louis played quite well this year, like I noticed, because we're in a group chat, and I think every league that he's in, pretty much, or quite a few, played the value game big time this year, so he'd get on any kind of fallen
00:06:41
Speaker
Not premium, but any decent story, like he jumped on your heenies. He rode the Dagoi train longer than anyone, I think as well. So yeah, he had a few kind of value picks as well. He'd kind of just go value, value, value, and that kind of rocket him up early. I think he came a bit unstuck later when he kind of needed to make some big moves, but just couldn't, had already maxed out on those kind of mid-processes that he brought in and couldn't kind of get up to the top echelon of players.
00:07:03
Speaker
Pretty impressive season to finish in the top 1000, I think. I think what you're saying about holding strong with a few players was probably something I learnt off Louis this year. Absolutely. Just fixing up those players that are doing you more harm and probably just fixing up the bigger issues in your team and just being patient. I know Degoie, even though it was a harsh run, he held him through enough that it sort of paid off from eventually.
00:07:27
Speaker
He certainly was a patient coach, I think what I'll take away from Lou, but awesome job mate. We'll get on to you Hef now. You had a pretty solid season yourself there, mate. And what was your final rank for the season 2021? Yeah, finished 2317th. So I was pretty much sitting around the top 1000, like around, I don't actually think I cracked inside the top 1000 for the entire year, but you know, I'd be finishing like, you know,
00:07:48
Speaker
1060th and things like that in the rounds. I probably went a bit too sideways too early, like fixing too many holes or just like being worried that I'm going to miss out on someone like, so I didn't have Josh Dunkley on my forward line. So I went hard to get him early when I probably should have kept the James Stevenson I had in there type thing. And just a few sideways things that didn't really work for me, which is something I've definitely learned from this season and similar type things to what Louis did is yeah, fix your bigger issues instead of fixing, trying to go sideways and you know, get those premiums type thing.
00:08:16
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, 2000 was a pretty solid rank, mate, especially backing up the 700 from last year. So a couple in a row, pretty good solid form, especially in such a tough year. I think it was one of the very harder years of fantasy with all the bloody injuries we had and all COVID and stuff like that. So my rank, let's talk about my dank season. And unfortunately, well, thankfully for me, I'm actually not the last one to mention the rank here, but I got, I finished 12,182.
Fantasy Mistakes and Lessons Learned
00:08:43
Speaker
I've talked about on Pod Pod Plus in the last week about how the mistakes are made and there's very, very many of those, but I think the biggest area that we're talking about lessons learned was that early days, I was doing a lot of these sideways trades of rookies more so than anything, trying to fix up the red dots and trying to get, which Statesman always harps on, rule effing one, which is having 30 green dots in your team and trying to increase that trade, sorry, your team value and get your value of your team up.
00:09:13
Speaker
managed those trades but some of those trades looking back they were my worst of the year and that's what really set me up for failure was not fixing guys like your Tom Phillips and Dagois and stuff that were failing early enough and just trading these like 170k rookie sideways and just wasting trades so it's probably my biggest lesson learned in my 12,000 ranking season. K's, how about you mate?
00:09:35
Speaker
Probably comes as no surprise that I finished 18,109 this year but considering I don't like classic and the guy next to me here actually hosts a classic pod and only finished 6,000 ahead of me I kind of take some solace in that so I actually went back because I don't really look at it too much but I was in I was 2,102 after round two so you know I was around the mark but it all went pretty bad then after that I think I had a
00:10:02
Speaker
donor in round four in my defense with a lay out which killed me but I was kind of struggling from the start like I had wits as my point of difference at the start of the season he got injured I then traded in Rowan Marshall who got injured the next week so I was just chasing kind of that you know just trying to find some good scorers early on which kind of screwed me
00:10:24
Speaker
You know, I kind of got in on the Sean Darcy action when you guys are talking on the Pod Pod early on days there. But obviously my biggest mistake was listening to you at the start of the year and actually having Paddy Dowell. Come on mate. But for me once, you know, shame on me. For me twice, shame on me again because I actually brought Paddy Dowell back in.
00:10:41
Speaker
I've got to stop listening to you, man. Has all that shit talk though, during the year, and then you backed him in twice. Not even I backed him in twice, and I was in the bloody film clip. The second time was just like, there's no one else, you know, I needed someone and he was like, he's going to play and he should score better than some. Was it the week after he had his like one big score for the season?
00:11:01
Speaker
I think it's because he was so cheap. I had two options. It was Paddy Dow or some other note, but he was a 170 or something. He was a bit more expensive. I was like, Oh, I'll just pay a bit extra and get Paddy Dow. Back him in. But once again, it just shows that I've absolutely got no idea when it comes to classic. And there's the win selection. Surprisingly, I think, you know, if, if he didn't have that.
00:11:20
Speaker
injury he was looking to be the pick at that price point so I don't know that seems like a pretty astute pick by you there and obviously jump on Sean Darcy the one dog got on that one as well yeah and then he went to Zack Smith after that I think something I learned I reckon and you guys are pretty good at with the point of difference style of things I probably didn't back in some of my gut feel my remedy can but your gut feel mid prices at the start of the year like I tried to play it a bit and
00:11:47
Speaker
safe by listening to the guys who know what they're talking about and I wish I kind of did that because I reckon I would have been a bit better early on because I would have hit a few of those guys that what are we talking about like I know just I didn't take any kind and stuff like that and you know guys that we'd flagged on the pod our pod I should say that you know we thought might have been getting a bit of a bump I probably didn't take those risk early on and I reckon
00:12:09
Speaker
for anyone playing, I think, just back yourself in. Use the podcasts as a resource, but if you've got that gut feel, I think back yourself in, because you'd probably be a lot happier with your team, I think. Yeah, you're not going to have those regrets as well, that like, I should just back myself in. Yeah, totally great. At round two, I was coming 327th.
00:12:29
Speaker
I think in round 2 I entered the top 20 at some stage. I think I got a 17th mid round like somewhere in the round. Yeah. Well, um, Kyle who came second, he was telling us that he was coming like 20,000th after the first round. So obviously it does not matter. That was me last year. It was about 20,000th after round 1. It just doesn't matter. Early days, just keep strong with your structures.
00:12:53
Speaker
Absolutely.
Best and Worst Fantasy Picks Reflection
00:12:54
Speaker
All right, we're going to go through some categories here and we'll go through these relatively quickly, I think, because we've got a lot to talk about. But best starting pick and we've put in here sort of preferably one of those more unique picks that you might have started with in your starting side. Hef, who have you got for us? I had Jack Crisp as probably my best starter. Just like, you know, obviously a gun and a 2G4P player for us, but Jesse was a bit more unique in that and he started like a house on five.
00:13:18
Speaker
playing a lot in the midfield early then kind of went back on half-back but it didn't really affect his scoring I think end up kind of leading the brown low votes for Collingwood as well so that's a good indicator of his season as well so yeah a lot of a player that kind of people weren't really jumping on especially after the previous year where he was a bit inconsistent so that was one of my better picks I think yeah yeah it's a solid starting pick Jack Griswold had him too actually he's awesome season what about UK's?
00:13:39
Speaker
I didn't really have anything that was too exciting. I think Roy Laird was one. It's good when you pay the price of someone and they just deliver in that position. He's last year as a defender potentially, unless he moves there later in his career. That's fucked me in one of my keeper leagues, that's for sure.
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah, how interesting is that gonna be? In your classic formats as well, just having those lock and load guys that you're just like, yeah, Roy Laird in, don't need to check it again. He's just not there for us anymore. And there's probably got a couple other players in that similar situation, but Laird's just been one of those stores back there.
00:14:14
Speaker
I had the bond just because he was unique as a starting pick. And for majority of the season, he was awesome. He finished averaging 108. And I think he really dropped that in the last few weeks of the season. He was probably up at 110 plus for three quarters of the season. So that was probably my pick there. And even more unique, Oleg Markov really earned us that coin early days. Yeah. So he's another one that we would have talked up to that you kind of kick yourself for not starting, I think.
00:14:39
Speaker
What about the worst starting pick? Mine was easily Aratio Fantasia. And because it became, well, not easily. Didn't he turn up round one or something like that? No, he went big early. No, it's more so, not easily, it's more so that I chose him over Nick Hind.
00:14:55
Speaker
So flipping the coin there with those two. I didn't, I knew a rat's tail would be in our best 22 and early days. I know we had to look good in the preseason match, but I wasn't sure how much faith actually put in them, which is strange because I put absolute 100% faith in the keeper league and picked like everyone on that form and it failed me. You know, yeah, it was pretty dismal.
00:15:15
Speaker
Um, but yeah, like I think that just haunted me. Like I went back and looked at between when Louie was sitting like in 300th and I was just outside the top 1000 and at about round 12, the difference was what Nick Hind had scored over. It was basically like lined up perfectly. So like one player made the difference between our teams up until like round 12 or something like that. It's amazing thinking about similar process. Really? It's like, you look at now you're like, well, are you really the similar process?
00:15:41
Speaker
What about UK's? Well obviously Paddydale's side. Jordan Clark, he was one of those mid prices that I thought, you know, he's set for a big year, coming off a good pre-season and we know how bad he was this year or just actually getting near that Geelong side. We need a bigger sample size this pre-season, I'm really hoping. I don't know if we'll get it to be honest.
00:15:59
Speaker
Yeah, I reckon it's just gonna be the one and done I think we're gonna get more of those scratch matches like they don't don't have stats kept and stuff I think that's I that's my guard feel because it sounded like the coat the clubs preferred that over the full format where they had to you know Fly around and do a different shit like that. So yeah, so we might need to get a few scouts out there to the practice match Yeah, put your hand up listeners if you live in all the capital cities. I try to round up some people see
00:16:23
Speaker
That'd be fantastic. I need those Scouts. Mine would be, who have I got here? I joined to go in Phillips. I mean, the two obvious ones for me. Yeah. But, yeah, talking again to Kyle the other week, how I think another lesson learned is just getting rid of these guys. Like if they're stuffing you around early,
00:16:42
Speaker
Just cause their name is Tom Phillips or to go in and I know to go, he did come back and do it in the end. We'll probably pick him to start next year, but a guy like Phillips, we've just had that affiliation with him in the past and he wasn't performing for us, but we just kept holding and holding and just jumping off him. I think Carl who finished second.
00:17:00
Speaker
I traded him in like round three. And it was like just the decisive moment to just go, no, stuff you here. I am trading my 170K failures, red dots. He's just getting rid of a guy that's really hemorrhaging him scores on field. And I think that's a huge, huge benefit to do early days. Best trade. Let's talk the best trade. Let's get some positive in here. I reckon you were a big fan of this one when I did it, Dossi. The Stringer and the Goey the week before they both went bang.
00:17:26
Speaker
I
Fantasy Trades: Successes and Failures
00:17:27
Speaker
rocketed up the ranks that way because, yeah, just got on. I think everyone, the whole fantasy world was talking me out of picking up Stringer, essentially, because he was so cheap. And I think he had one big score and everyone's like flashing pan, flashing pan. But he just looked like he was moving into that midfield a bit more. And I was just like, yeah, I'm pulling the trigger. Like he's worth the price, you know? I think it was mid 400,000 or something like that. And then I think it was even lower, probably even like low fours.
00:17:51
Speaker
Something like that. So, yeah, then went bang after that and then degoi obviously started playing as a full-time midfielder as well. Am I right in saying you jumped on, like Stringer had that stretch of being amazing and then sort of just held back into being the Jake Stringer we know and love that gets you 60 to 70. Yeah. But you jumped on that hot streak. Did you also get texts early? I feel like I was on, no, I was on texts a little late. I was probably the
00:18:15
Speaker
Yeah, it was probably wasn't the best time, but I did have him on my side, but it wasn't like right at the start, but I did have him in for a bit. Yeah. You copped a bit and you got the coin. He made me like over 100k. Yeah. So you jumped on those things. I definitely didn't do that. Did you get in on any of those? No text for me. No, no. That's interesting. Strategy has paid off for the, the great man here. Finner rising the classic rankings these last couple of years. What's your best trade this year? Yeah. As I said before, I think Sean Darcy in round 10, but at that time I reckon
00:18:40
Speaker
Grunty and Flynn was rucking as well for me at that stage so I could have Darcy as a forward and then once Flynn came out the team it was just a beautiful switch to move Darcy into that ruck spot. That is juicy. My best tray I'm just looking at that I was trying to find the exact tray because you guys have gone the exact round so I've went and found it. I picked up Feorini in round 16. Yeah that was a good one.
00:19:05
Speaker
Round 16 and who else came into my team other than the the Oracle's suggestion of Jeremy Sharp that week. So I got in Feorini and Sharp and they just blitzed it from then. So I think Feorini basically since then. So that first week he turned up for me. So he must I must have missed his low score. So I'm just going back and looking at scores really quickly.
00:19:26
Speaker
So I picked him up, yeah, around 16, he went after I got him, 101, 113, 109, 142, 119, 119, 104, and then just that 71 in the grand final week, unfortunately. But monstrous run from there, Randy. So that was easily my best try. What was he priced at when he came in?
00:19:45
Speaker
It would have been expected, like it was risky. It was 500 and something. It might have been more than that. It was risky. I'll just have a quick look. He was 639 when I brought him in. So it was like, you know, it was balls out. You could have gone more value, like probably a bit safer. Yeah, I paid up. Like I upgraded. I think Noah Anderson, who was another loose pick. I wonder how many people in the country actually took fear any in that week, but guaranteed it was always going to be you. It was going to be anyone.
00:20:08
Speaker
There was like he had like point eight owner point eight percent ownership for the next month even though he was turning up every week So the other one I had just had with he was Chad Wingard because I brought him in the week He got 147 to defeat the statesman. Oh, yeah, that's right, which was an amazing trade All right worst trade now and I can kick this one off because
00:20:29
Speaker
It's a weird one, but Josh Dunkley training him in was my worst trait of the season. And I'll tell you why it wasn't in his early days of absolutely carving up. It was when he came back and it was just such a stupid trade. I paid like 840 K to bring him in and try to go for a point of difference. After all, being on the pod pod, do like myself a point of difference. Dunkley coming back.
00:20:52
Speaker
from that injury was paying up to get him, hopefully hoping that he would go 110 or something to finish off the season. He was terrible. Do you guys just, I know this is 2G for P, but Dunkley next year. He might be back. He might be BTP. What was the average to finish off the year? Was under 80? Yeah, it wasn't great, but in the finals he showed quite a bit. Even last night he scored well early and then just kind of dropped off the dogs though. So what do you guys think of him going forward?
00:21:16
Speaker
Because we have forward status, again, you'd assume. He's still going to be up there, I think. You still kind of have to go at him because he'll be one of the primo forwards, even get his shit together. Yeah, true. If he's forward status, that's a game changer. All right, worst trade. Yeah, I think I mentioned this briefly before, but I had Stevenson to start off with and I think he went big round one and then a 50-odd in round two.
00:21:39
Speaker
So then I was thinking, I might jump off Stevo here and Dunkley, at the same time Dunkley was going huge in those first few weeks as well. So it was probably the only way I could have got Dunkley into my side. So I got Stevenson out Dunkley in, that was basically the trade and I could downgrade there to get the cash for that. But I think three weeks later, yeah, Dunkley was injured. And then Stevenson was just ticking away, just like building nicely and he just would have been super serviced when I could have just done something else on my field to actually kind of
00:22:04
Speaker
get a head, get another rookie off the ground or whatever early and it just, you know, it ended up taking like up to the second week after the buy. I reckon to get all my rookies off and then actually, you know, start my assault at the top. And by then I was just stagnant. I was just sitting in the same spot each week. So I reckon if I could have done that a little bit earlier, I could have, you know, generate a bit more cash early and then yeah, rose up a bit further. Yeah, that's a good one now. Stevenson.
00:22:25
Speaker
That's a tricky one for, he's a tricky one for capers. So this, this off season, having that injury, but you're still keeping him as well on yet. Like another one that depends on his, another one that depends on his four status too, but I think he'll lose it. So yeah, he was kicking goals. Like, so I don't know. It's hard cause you kind of need to keep him cause you know how good he can be, but you almost need to ride him off for 2022. I just think that we've seen it all, especially this year, like guys who haven't done a praise season or didn't do much for a praise season,
00:22:54
Speaker
They're so far behind the eight ball, you know, fitness wise and, you know, yes, these guys, you have to kind of, it's different to classical, you know, single season draft because they could slide, but, you know, do you put, you know, do you trade him or do you put him back in the pool and then maybe, you know, 18 months time is the best forward or the best, you know, it's hard. I think this, I think with him this season, it's a, fuck, I've actually forgotten what I'm going to say. Doesn't matter.
00:23:21
Speaker
That's that dusty, that's that dusty. If it comes back to me, I'll remind you of it. Just jump in, mate. Yeah, that's all good. How was your worst trade for the season, guys? Well, just to not bring Paddy Day up again. It's actually his teammate, Jack Silvani. I brought him in off after that. You know, he turned up as the ruckman, and then they didn't bring anyone else in the next week. And I was like, oh, yeah, he's going to do the same role again. I think he got like a 50 or a 60. And then he realized that you got Jack Silvani in your team. It makes me feel sick.
00:23:50
Speaker
I remembered what it was. That was about preseason actually. It was about just last year. I'm not going to buy in too much about the preseason probably won't be as bad as it was previously because the season finished so late in such a short amount of time between the end of the season and the start of the year. But yes, it's not ideal for Stevenson, but I don't think players are going to be as impacted by
00:24:08
Speaker
pre-season injuries because they got a lot longer to kind of get over them than they did last year. Injury dependent, his injury doesn't sound great. No, it definitely doesn't. I'm just saying in general, not for Stevenson's lie. I'm not as worried about missing pre-Christmas or whatever because there's more time this year than there was last year. That's all. All right. Thanks for that. That's a good one. Great insight. I'm glad I spent the ages trying to remember what I was going to say.
00:24:32
Speaker
anyway your turning point let's start with you guys what was your turning point for better or worse in season 2021 your amazing classic season probably signing up for classic was um no i think the the mental hit of taking a donut in round four i think it was it's just like you dropped so far you know
00:24:53
Speaker
And, you know, I was kind of thought, you know, I could put together an OK season, you know, make make me not look like an absolute clown in fantasy circles. But, you know, you lose all the momentum from that. Was that just an accidental forgetting to trade or was that? I think it was I got caught out on like a Friday night game kind of thing. And I think I looked back, it was like, because it's he didn't play. And, you know, it was just you're trying to get one of your
00:25:15
Speaker
maybe I've already traded, I think I might've already traded it. And then someone pulled out and then yeah, it just screwed me. The rolling team announcements didn't help back there as well. Yeah, it was rolling team as well. So like I think I got caught out being a bit too confident that someone was gonna play or someone didn't and then that's it. And then, you know, it hurts. That would have been, yeah, mental here, especially trying to, yeah. Or you're trying to have a good season. I understand that. What about you, Hef?
00:25:37
Speaker
My turning point was pretty clear it was like this massive like fork in the road moment like this is the way I visualise it in my head like you know I've chosen I've got two paths to choose here and I've chosen the shit one and it's taking me just to a fucking big pile of dirt but anyway I had a choice between basically about a third of the way through the season
00:25:55
Speaker
Do I go Trillore or Tom Mitchell? Both price because Trillore started it had a bit of a low in the middle there of in after a few rounds and I think he had like a 64 and a lot of people names captain because I think he was high up in the captain's captains list that week as well I know you were filthy on him that week as well because you had him in your side early. Yeah
00:26:11
Speaker
So I was like, well, do I go Trillor or do I go Mitchell? And I went Trillor. Cause I thought Trillor was better value. And that dog Midfield at the time was, everyone was scoring huge. So anyway, he fell away, then got injured. And then Mitchell ended up being like the Mitchell of old by the end of the season. So I did end up getting Mitchell in right by the end, but that's, it was just way too late. And all the good teams had Mitchell in just carbon for him. So yeah, chose the wrong path there. Yeah. That's a brutal fork in the road moment. Yeah.
00:26:40
Speaker
I think my, we're talking about our round two amazing starter set. That's the moment it changed for me. I was heading into round three. So I'm just looking at my three weeks of trades after that were disgusting. The first one was the sideways rookie trades I'm talking about. I did a Harry Sharp to a Charlie Lazaro trade, which was a masterpiece. Then I had a Dyson Hepple who actually would have been a really great value pick.
00:27:06
Speaker
He got injured, if you remember, in round, I think it was round two, was a late withdrawal or something like that for his back. They said it was going to be a multiple week injury. The press was saying two weeks plus, two weeks plus for me. See you later. He missed one game, came back and blitzed it for a while, would have been really good value pick. I went to Noah Anderson, who was pretty good for quite a stretch there, but then he himself got injured and tapered off.
00:27:32
Speaker
That's a shit pic that does it was a shit pic that's my classic second year break out attempt then it was in round three round four is like Sam Barry this is the things I'm talking about Sam Barry and kazitzky to Josh Tracy and Chrissy Burgess now Chrissy Burgess
00:27:49
Speaker
Was an amazing pick, but, um, just going, side-raising rookies was my major mistake this whole season. Chrissy Burgess, had to mention him in the final. We've mentioned ship players in this podcast already. That's basically our whole podcast, isn't it?
00:28:05
Speaker
All right, well, I think that is going to wrap it up unless, uh, did you, you've done your turning point, heff, have you done yours yet? That's the classic wrap up part of this show, boys. Thank God. All right. In the second half of the podcast, we are going to talk about some, uh, keeper and slash draft, um,
00:28:23
Speaker
more selections and our kind of best and worst picks in those in your drafts and stuff like that. So yeah, my classic was a lot better than my home league draft anyway this year. So actually both my drafts. Dropping you there. Yeah. Come on, mate. Who's got one flag and who's got no flags in our home league? We'll keep that at bay though.
00:28:40
Speaker
All right, so what we're gonna do now is we're just gonna go through each other. We're just gonna talk about a few different picks, so where we got it right, where we got it wrong, and all that sort of stuff as well. So we'll have a look at it now. I'll start with you, Dos. What was the best value pickup across all your leagues? So whatever league, you can choose whichever one you want, but what was your reckon your best value picks? Is it something you picked up kind of late that turned to be a genuine gun?
00:29:03
Speaker
In this one, it's more, I think I sort of basically was thinking more free agency pickup for me. I know you guys don't tend to play a whole heap of free agency stuff. No, because we rely on foresight. That's right, mate. We've talked about this. I can sort of look at my keepers and have another guess at this question, but the ones that I picked up in single season draft mostly, and these would have been picked up off waivers in keepers as well, but Bailey Dale really early, getting that sort of half back roll and he was sort of swing.
00:29:31
Speaker
swinging back there getting a lot more kicks early days with Caleb Daniel being flown around everywhere so Bailey Day was sick sick value playing as a forward defender and then Matt Kennedy in that mid-season patch so I won my home league single season flag and it was these two guys that really
00:29:47
Speaker
really stood up strong. The main reason I just don't like count like mid-season waivers and pickups and stuff like that is because the most the read drafts I've played there's only like four or five people actually out of like 12 or so actually hunting the way why you know really just check on Tuesday but everyone's gone by then type thing.
00:30:02
Speaker
So it's generally just the people who are the biggest nerds generally win that, so. Yeah, can confirm I was the biggest nerd. Like you and, you and Stado would just be all over, like the way we're working. In their draft doctors, in that listener league for the draft doctors, like I can show you some of the pickups here, it's basically 95% Stado on the wire. That's where I agree with you on your keeper league stuff, in terms of having the wire off in certain things. I think at least restrict it to,
00:30:30
Speaker
like give people that have busy weekends or whatever that don't get to watch the footy live. Like if Trent Rivers has just made his debut and has 10 touches in the first half on his debut or whatever, then Stater's already picked him up by the time. Like somebody's come back from playing footy or something on a Saturday. Cause the great man's watching it live. So yeah, that's something to talk about. That was a ramble that I'm talking about Waverlyze. But those were my two guys that came up the goods in those sort of pickups during the season. All right guys, what was your best value pickup across your leagues?
00:31:00
Speaker
So I can my home leg pick up the best one was Chrissy Maine so he was taken pick a 284 overall, so Kind of gives you a bit of a guide there and we see my boy Jeremy sharp. He was picked 416 that was in the rookie draft That's such a good pick. I was looking back at your draft. That one was good. Yeah
00:31:19
Speaker
I was like, I went back and I looked at your draft because you were talking your draft up all year. I don't reckon it's that much better come the end of the year than ours. I reckon I'm going to get more keepers. Well, I'm going to get more keepers out of mine. Potentially, but I played off in a grand final and holding up the whole league from the bottom. Yeah, I know. Well, no, I finished eighth in the end. I was fine. Actually, one of the most happy was in the podcasters league because I took Jack Ziebel with my first pick of the draft, the redraft that is. So we came in at pick 210.
00:31:47
Speaker
I remember everyone distinctly giving me absolute shit that I took, Jack Zebel. One, I needed a good forward and he obviously proved to be fantastic even though he went defence. But even like I got Isaac coming the next round, Nick Newman a couple later. So I picked up like basically three keepers in 2.10, 2.20 and 2.40. I don't have any issues with your picks. It's more so that you'll say like, oh, I don't think
00:32:10
Speaker
I don't think Jack Zebel's gonna play defense, but I'll pick him up and then you claim the win and then you're like, oh, Oracle fucking nailed it. You had no idea going into it. That's how I roll. Exactly. Anyway, my value pick, home league, I got Devin Robertson, I think in the second to last round.
00:32:26
Speaker
So I don't know what that is. I didn't check the numbers. But yeah, really, really late. And he's, I reckon he's going to be good up and comer. I know that there's a bit of competition in that Brisbane midfield, but I reckon there might be a little bit of a changing the guard with a few of, you know, players like Mitch Robinson, who's going to get on the tail end of his career. Barry's just, who knows what the goal is with him.
00:32:42
Speaker
So I reckon he might be moving ahead of some of those types, might get a bit more opportunity next year. I know they're more outside, but I just think there might be a few changes up in that midfield. So I don't mind him going forward. In the podcasters league, I got Errol Golden, which is strange, but I got him really, really late. It was in the 30th round or something like that.
00:33:00
Speaker
I might've been a bit early, 28th or something like that. But yeah, where your rookie, like a lot of good rookies had already, like a lot of the rookies from last year, the draft picks had already gone. He was just still sitting there, but I think it was before we saw any football, like we had that draft pretty early. So I was picking purely on his junior numbers, not because I'd actually seen him, but I think he kind of flew under the radar until we actually saw him play.
00:33:19
Speaker
Really. So yeah, Errol Golden, I had him and then I got Chad Warner about two picks later as well. So they're both good and I think the future-wise, especially if Warner can keep forward status, Golden was likely to. Well, you will most likely keep forward status. So if I can have two genuine good forwards out of those two picks, I'm pretty happy with those ones.
00:33:34
Speaker
I had a couple probably that fit the criteria of what this question was actually after. And even though neither of these guys finished the season, I think, keeper wise, they're still pretty quality.
Value Picks and Keeper Decisions
00:33:45
Speaker
Chenkuth Jaff, I picked up real late in both the legs and I think mostly because
00:33:49
Speaker
Heard like cam. I think I think he came in and was talking to us and he was mentioning Cenkuth jam was all over him He was all over him and then I like snaked him in both of those drives. I don't care He just didn't want to pick him up and he just didn't back it in so Dossie snacking and got that one over him and actually cam just picked like Isaac chug for no reason though. Yeah Sure, could have picked him there. So I'll just say him. He's probably more under this criteria, even though didn't finish out the season. I
00:34:14
Speaker
All right, Kays, what was your worst value pick? So someone you probably, you know, you put a bit of faith in early who didn't deliver. So I took Tom Patley in round two of our home league. I needed some forwards and I just thought, you know, because I was kind of drafting for a flag, I thought, you know, paps could give me close to a 75-80 average each week. He really disappointed except for the last kind of four.
00:34:37
Speaker
four games of the year so I went way too early on paps and in the podcasters league as I mentioned I took Zebel coming and Newman with picks one two and four in pick three it was Jordan Clark so he really let me down taking him a bit early there but um interesting to see I hope he does go to Freeman or wherever the hell he's gonna go because I think he can be a player it's just yeah on the nose at drill on
00:35:01
Speaker
What about you, Dossie? What's your, yeah, your value pickup? Sorry, worst value pickup? Well, I think you guys sort of paid me out about this very heavily in our pro keeper league that we're doing. Because you deserved it. I was backing in the science of fantasy, which is that, you know, doing some research a few years ago, the number one pick, it's a steady decline in fantasy as it is with usually the quality of the player.
00:35:27
Speaker
The fantasy scores for the number one pick, you know, it sits at whatever it sits at for their career seasonal, um, sorry, career stats, uh, you know, 80, whatever. It just goes down steadily from pick two, it's 77, pick three, 74, whatever. So I backed in quick math.
00:35:43
Speaker
I've got no idea what you're trying to say there, to be honest. I don't know, understand that. So number one draft pick score better than number two draft picks. Okay, cool. So it works basically the way you think. That definitely works all the time. Yeah. I picked up Jamara Ughagan with one of my, I think it was my second pick in the draft. Just didn't really watch a whole heap of the preseason or sorry, I didn't have my eye over the draft this year as much as I should have. And yes, it was a bad pick. Okay.
00:36:09
Speaker
Just the key forwards, just rookies, you just don't pick them. Yeah. Yeah. I would talk like tall forwards. Yeah. You know what I mean. I made up for it in my picks after that. I think I've got Braden Campbell, the next pick. You actually drafted really well apart from that one. I did. Yes. And yeah, the fact it was such an early pick, I'm just trying to see who else was around that range. But yeah, I think like Dyson airport went after him and that sort of thing. So I could have really bolstered my team there.
00:36:31
Speaker
In the, mine was in the home league. I went pretty early on Damon Greaves. So that was a bit of a disaster. I don't know. We talked about this when I was on the draft doctor's podcast. Like I know three games, obviously like it's not something to get excited about, but it was more like the kid was kicking at 90% across his three games. Like he was just absolutely blitzing it off the hardback flank, hitting every target. I was like, this guy's going to be like play that quarterback role for the next 10 years. I love Greasy. Didn't he get delisted? Yes.
00:36:53
Speaker
He got delisted. Yeah, no, that's rough. Like I definitely would have said, yeah, maybe not that early, but certainly talented. Yeah. To be fair, like it was like Tom Papley or like, you know, that type of type of players, like Caves took Tom Papley in the same round. It's like, do I, you know, take someone like that? He will play each week, but score me between 60 and 70. Or do I take a punt on a kid? He could be the next best thing coming off hardback playing. Like, I think you were probably backing in the role like late last year when Cicely went down. Yeah, correct.
00:37:19
Speaker
And Scrimshaw was not seen all pre-season, so I was like, and Will Day, Will Day got injured early, but like, yeah, he ended up in the wing anyway when he kind of came back, but yeah, I figured like he probably would have the next role, but then like, you know, MP comes in and blitzes it as well. Jath as well. Yeah, Jath as well. There's a few other guys that just kind of ran ahead, so that, I didn't kind of expect that to happen. I think that was probably the issue.
00:37:38
Speaker
But yeah, and then the podcast lead, Jeremy Cameron, I think I've got third or fourth round in our draft. And yeah, it just didn't deliver for me. Just, you know, I thought he'd get closer to what he was in that good season at actually the previous, his last season, I guess he actually wasn't that bad, was he? He puts up a nine every now and then or a hundred and, you know, goes big. And he did do that a couple of times this year, but a lot of low scores in there as well. So he just wasn't as consistent as I like, plus injury for the first.
00:38:00
Speaker
whatever weeks and then out again mid-season. So yeah, just didn't work out for me. Actually, I just realized because I put this under the wrong category because I thought he was a keeper. Um, I think Josh Daikos, Josh Daikos, that is my first pick ahead of Jamari Uygur Hagen.
00:38:15
Speaker
I think it was, think you're right. And so that was a failure. Yeah, like your first two were shit, but then the rest, well, and like, but they were like, Gemara's, Gemara's a dumb pick, but Dacos is not like, we did no one expected that. No. So I guess that's the last year, you know, that was just a surprisingly disappointing pick considering. Yeah.
00:38:33
Speaker
That pick to me was an absolute no brainer to go Josh Dacos at that point, given what else was there, thinking that he's going to get the midfield role with what we had Trelore leave in the pre-season. And just the opening up of that role was there, and he just didn't deliver. So that's probably my pick as well there. All right. Well, stay on you, Dossie. I want to hear your best keeper. So someone that you kept going into this season, and mainly like a player that surprised you, or one that you were a bit 50-50 on that kind of hit. So who was your best keeper?
00:39:03
Speaker
I think Feoreni, to be honest, because there was concerns that his role was going to be completely changed with Raoul Anderson, these guys coming through. I didn't trust Dewey Dew at all. And for a lot of the early parts of the season, that was looking to be true. Obviously, the same thing happened in this where he just went absolutely ballistic and he was one of my keepers. I backed him in, of course, as I always do.
00:39:27
Speaker
It was a surprise to see him get the role and consistently deliver like the way he did this year. So yep Yeah, that's probably my pick. What about you guys home leg? I'm pretty happy. I kept Luke Jackson and Harry Schoenberg No, I'm not. Well, you traded that you traded had showed had showed Schoenberg in the end Don't don't tell me you kept the faith there One obviously was trying to go for a flag. If you obviously part him off, you know for guys this amazing for you and didn't work for me once now I did it and now it's hasn't worked for you twice
00:39:56
Speaker
Yeah, correct. But still, you doubted Harry from the start of the year. I've backpedaled on that. Yeah, I agree. And I think Luke Jackson's another one because I think there's always that risk when you keep a first year player going into their second year because of the fact that they don't always, not necessarily develop, but they don't grow as quickly as they potentially do from a third or fourth year once they're a bit more.
00:40:18
Speaker
See that maths, I think that maths slightly off. I think second year players- Didn't someone prove this on Twitter this year? It's funny because you can look at it like just purely like when the average like boosts the most or I look at it when they become a consistent 80 average play. That's what I think 80 plus average. So just if you want some math or some science about this stuff. So first year of Sam Walsh's career, who was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Second year, apparently Connor Rosie was better than him.
00:40:45
Speaker
And then 30, he came third in the fucking brown low. No. So the way that I look at it though is, um, if, so the second year blues theory comes into play when you've got Sam Walsh, who his first year, it's like, how are you supposed to improve so much on a season? That was like one of the greatest rookie seasons of all time. It's kind of works the other way when you've got a Schoenberg guy that's played not in a great role in his first year. So second year, the sort of world's his oyster. You know what I mean?
00:41:12
Speaker
So I think, I think you can apply it to different people based on, yeah, like if they've had an amazing rookie year, it's going to be a lot harder for them to take the step up, but if they're going to get that role. So I think second year, I think your second year breakout, you need to, need to be more open to it because some of the biggest point scoring jumps have been like the McCrae's, the Wingard's, the Clayton Oliver's that have been that second year massive jump.
00:41:34
Speaker
I think there's like, I think there's a lot of numbers in there like, so a player will average like 30 or 40 because he'll play like two games or whatever. And then he can become a consistent player and then average like 60 or 70 the next season type thing. That kind of makes that jump in that second year look big. But yeah, like I said, I kind of, I reckon the break as when you average 80, there's season where you average 80 for the whole year type thing. That's where your bracket is. And I tend to, I don't know the numbers. I've been meaning to actually kind of work that one out for a long time and I've just never got around to it. I reckon it would be pushed after the second year. I reckon it'd be third or fourth.
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah, in our podcasters leg, this might be a good we won, but I'm actually super stoked. I kept Darcy Parrish Yeah, like he was one that you know all on the same fear any mold where you know Like a lot of given a glut of midfielders and he's one that yeah, I look haven't really seen it Like I don't trust you. You can go back to the pool. You wouldn't think of him for tight to drop him. I reckon
00:42:20
Speaker
There was a few people making that decision this year, like another one, got a guy who owns him in the home leg as well. He was messaging me, like, what do you think I should do with Parrish? And I'm like, oh. And at the start of the year, you probably could have got him off pretty cheap until you get that kind of Anzac Day period. Yeah, and he kind of did die a little bit in the end. But still showed that he can score. Yeah, exactly. And he played that role now. He won't go back to being kind of that forward mid-roll type thing. So yeah.
00:42:40
Speaker
What are we talking about again? I forgot. We're talking about the best keeper. Oh, a few stinkers here. But I was kind of just looking at players that, yeah, on the borderline, because my keepers were either clear cut, like absolutely yes, you have to keep them, or it was like real 50-50. So in the end for me, it probably ended up being Peter Adams, to be honest. So I started shockingly, but when he had that stretch as the number one ruck, he was just putting up 90 each week. And then he actually had a few big games with Lysit in, and now he's going to probably move clubs and be a number one ruck with forward status, the rumor is.
00:43:09
Speaker
So I'm looking forward to having, I'm just glad I've still got him on my list now, so. Where's he gonna go? I have no idea. I've heard no rumours. I don't even know. Is that a Hef exclusive or is that? No, I've been doing the rounds on Twitter. Yeah, he's definitely on the table, apparently, because I think he wants to be in number one ruck somewhere and he's been told he's not gonna get it at port, so. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know if he actually really wants to leave that bad either, so yeah, that's the thing.
00:43:31
Speaker
So that'll be interesting to see, so that was right. Being the podcasters, so Zach Jones, like he's just always a 50-50 play, like a play that's generally there in the pool, but I think he averaged pretty well in the end. So he was handy and serviceable to keep. And even though he was in and out with injury and stuff throughout the year towards the end of the season, he was pretty handy. And just Daniel Rich, like he was on the back end of the keepers type thing.
00:43:52
Speaker
ended up just I didn't expect him to go as big this season like I thought he might have dropped back after 2020 season but then he kind of went the next level especially towards the end of the season one I just didn't expect that so I'm kind of glad I held the faith in him too. I just want to quickly throw in there because I did mention fairing in another segment so another player that I kept that actually this was in the Draft Doctors Listening League that I'm still
00:44:13
Speaker
A little bit of a part of there. Jayden Stevenson for me, I actually had a special permission from our Blessed Commissioner, the Statesman, to have him as a keeper because I actually was going to drop Stevenson coming into this season.
00:44:28
Speaker
And Cam Rayner, I was keeping Cam Rayner and he did the ACL and then I got permission to do a little swap after a deadline. So anyway, Stevenson came back in for me and even though we're talking about his current offseason situation, but I just was a bit skeptical as to how he was going to fit in and if he was ever going to realise his potential and yeah, ended up being an awesome keeper. Yeah, no, that's a decimal there.
00:44:53
Speaker
All right, and to round it off, we're going to go with our worst keeper. So someone who didn't perform as well as you expected they would. So you've shown a bit of faith, kept them in your final teams, hasn't gone as well. So let's start with you guys. You can start. Easy for me. Fritz Smith. Yeah. Get the hell out of my team.
00:45:13
Speaker
useless person. Apart from what he scored 100 in round 23 or whatever, when I'd already dropped him in, he was no good to me in the Grand Final. He got three Brownlow votes too I think. He's been a stinker and I just think that role is, he's just not playing that role that he was one of the best forwards a couple years ago.
00:45:36
Speaker
like Snelling's kind of coming and he finished third in their best in Ferris. Like he's kind of jumped into that proper, you know, small or medium forward role. So. He was playing on the wing a little bit as well, wasn't he? Yeah. I think Desmith gone. Yeah. And in the podcasters league, Jack Martin just basically couldn't. That was surprising. Like I thought he'd definitely take a step up this year. Yeah. That's a, that's a good one. What do you think for him next year with new amazing coach Mickey Voss?
00:46:04
Speaker
He's the brains behind Fort Adelaide. I'd say that, but still it's not great. It's not the greatest brain going around. Are we putting our faith into Mickey Voss? I have to change the lyric, I reckon. My favorite, I love that David T line in that video, just where we used a bit of a clip where David T just looks a bit shifty. Shifty, a bit confused with what he's doing. We're not 100% sure where we're actually going to be putting that faith in. No, it's funny.
00:46:32
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't want anyone from Port Adelaide right now, to be honest, but I know we finished, you know, third in the end, but is it true that you walked out of the game at three quarter time earlier?
00:46:44
Speaker
We're down by 58 points. What's going to happen? You give gross fans shit for that all the time. It depends. If you still have a chance to win, I don't have an issue with it if you've got absolutely no chance of losing. It's just you've been so hyped up over like, here we go, we're going to make the grand final, all this sort of shit. And I'm just like, fuck this. Same old shit. I had you bought flights. Yeah, I bought refundable flights. That's what the smart people do. Yeah.
00:47:05
Speaker
It's not otherwise you're paying $2,000 to get there after the game. So what did you do when you walked out for four three quarter time? Oh yeah, cancelled my flight. I jumped an Uber when I watched the second half on the couch, grabbed an order of pizza. Second half on the couch? Yeah, most of what was left of it. Order of pizza, ate the whole thing and went to bed.
00:47:23
Speaker
They were just bringing out the tarps as you were leaving in half the crowd. They fucking deserved it, yeah. And we still haven't had an apology. I actually had my next membership deducted this week, so thanks very much Port Adelaide. Yeah. Upset man, he's on it. Shouldn't have pulled that bandaid off. I'll just let it go, Jesus. Yeah, like I said, if we would have played last night, I think we would have lost by more than 119, so yeah, not the best outcome. Who was your worst keeper case?
00:47:52
Speaker
I already answered that, Dustin. Who's your first keeper? I've got a lot here, but Jackson Haightley might take the cake there. Defensive status in Ultimate footy, I think, you know, it would have been stupid for us not to think he was going to take the role coming across to Adelaide, how poor they've been, take Ben Key's role in there and just dominate, but he just couldn't quite nab it off your boy, could he? Jesus, the man.
00:48:18
Speaker
I was listening to Dylan Friend's podcast and they had Mick Barlow and Tony Armstrong on this week and they made Mick Barlow actually like apologize for what he said about Ben Key's early season saying he's just like we're gonna be a no-hoper this year and gonna be no good. It was pretty funny. Sounds a bit familiar from this podcast. But anyway, what was my worst keeper? Oh, this is easy actually. In the home league, Nick Caulfield.
00:48:42
Speaker
Like what the fuck? So Jack Sinclair just come in and yeah, pretty much took the role that he had. And then yes, that was a shock. He had a few like shining light games where you think, all right, he's turning around from here and then you just get dropped the next week or whatever. I think he had a good, he played pretty much the final round. He played like Nick Coffey of old, like same old role. Same kind of, you know, put a lot of plus sixes back there. Just enough to kind of like when you're ready to
00:49:06
Speaker
Boot him out your team and drop him for the for good. He does that to make you think about maybe should keep him next year Yeah, no, he's probably gone back to the pool for me and then in the podcasters League Tom Rockliffe I didn't even get a full game out of him. Yeah as a fantasy gun You know like it's supposed to be one of your primos
00:49:21
Speaker
in there and I think I've got two sub games and then done. Yeah, that's rough. And now retired. Yep. What did you think on, just as a second player from the, the Coffield chat, did either of you guys hire Josh Battle? Cause he's one that I kept and have had a lot of faith in. He's been more hot. As a guy like a bit of a, he doesn't have as penetrating of a kick, but really elite disposal, like a Jordan Dawson type operator down the back.
00:49:45
Speaker
I think he's such a great swing man. I'm not sure. I think he gets a bit lost at St Kilda in their structure. I think I tweeted about something like when he got dropped late in the season and I was like, man, he'd be great at Essendon. Because we could just use someone who could, he can kick goal. He used to be a key forwarder as a kid. But he's so good at reading the game across half back. I just think he's underutilized at St Kilda.
00:50:10
Speaker
If he moves clubs, he'd be one that I'd be looking at next year. I just don't want players that are the swingman, like a lot of the time, because they find it so hard to settle in a role and then become good fantasy scorers. The good fantasy scorers play their same role week in, week out generally. You want to take back the 300 Westhoff games, mate.
00:50:29
Speaker
But like, yeah, I guess it was a bit of a swing, man, but it wasn't really kind of just roamed West off and that was his role. He did it every week. He just roamed the ground. But he doesn't get that. He doesn't get the role. You know what I mean? The things that battle talking about tank, he's like one of their better runners and he's got so many games in the seventies and sixties for Tom on ground. It's like, like you say, I just wear, he doesn't, I feel like he doesn't know the coaches don't know his role.
00:50:51
Speaker
And I think, yeah, hopefully in trade radio in the next couple of days, something about Josh Battle, but he was my human like human coffee would like that was such a surprise to me. I thought both of them are going to be in for a breakout. Going back to West off, he probably only had two or three, maybe four, like 80 plus seasons. I didn't he like he wasn't a huge, huge, huge fantasy score. I'm not comparing him to the
00:51:10
Speaker
half in that sense. I'm just saying, you don't like the swingman, mate? No, no, I like the swingman. I like having them in your team, like in real football, but fantasy football, I just don't like owning them because they find like, you know, they could be going okay. And then all of a sudden they have to go play it like as a key defender or then they have to go on the rock or something like that. And they're just getting dominated there because they just fill in a gap. And I just don't like the fantasy. That's all. Do you like swingman more than key forwards? I like swingman more than key forwards. Yeah, definitely.
00:51:34
Speaker
But I'm starting to come around with key forwards, especially with the scarcity of forwards and how hard it is to find a good forward and hang on to one. If you're unlocking a key forward that's going to get you 70 each week, then your new forwards that you should be targeting, I think. And you should just be punting those kind of players late in your drafts and stop trying to chase them early and just go after your actual good scoring primos earlier, I think. That's going to be my new philosophy going forward. Anyway, do we have anything else to talk about in the back of that?
00:51:57
Speaker
I
Predictions for Next Fantasy Season
00:51:58
Speaker
think that was it from that perspective. Do we have some predictions, is that what's coming up? Justin Westoff averaged 50 last year, 77 the year before, then 101, 83, 81, 89, 89, 87. Okay. No, we don't like swing men. No, so he did have a bit better than four seasons of 80. Yeah, I had four on top of my head. What was it? Six seasons of 80 plus. That's quite a few. That's quite a few.
00:52:19
Speaker
We need an apology like how we had to give keys. I seem to remember, I think I've just kind of looked at the stuck key forward numbers. It's just pessimistic on all these ports. It's raining every day in hev's house. Yeah, it's a sad state of affairs. Alright, predictions. So we're going to talk about the player that like this will cross over from classic to keepers and draft.
00:52:38
Speaker
So we'll have your first picked in any format next season, your mid price so that you think we'll go to the next level, and then your one to three year player who will break out next season. So Dossie, we'll start with you. Just do all three and we'll kind of chat about each one. So first picked in any format. I've gone obvious, like the obvious, just the first and second picks in the draft, whichever way you want it. Just Daikos and your boy, but based on the tweet, tweets per- Did you watch the game? I didn't see the game, but I heard Big Horny France had a huge one in the pre,
00:53:08
Speaker
The Prelium was a Prelium. Sorry, I'm gonna pull you up here. So if you're taking a keeper, you're going on your keeper leg draft for the first time, you're first picking Daikos or Horn. If it's a redraft, what would it be? No, no, I'm saying like you're starting up a league. The question was meant to be like the gun. Oh, I didn't take it that way. In any format, yes, so I'm saying like a redraft of a keeper and the salary cap, because there's two guys. Because I'm generally meant like the player that you'd take first pick, like that you're taking a keeper, no matter what league, like what player. I didn't answer the question that way. Yeah, so that's kind of what I meant.
00:53:38
Speaker
You said in any format next year. Yeah, that's what I mean. So like keeper and super coach be your first pick. Like your first pick, if you had number one pick in a draft, who would you take? Oh, different question. Well, yeah, that's, it's different. Cause I play classic in a different way. Like the way you're in terms of in classic, you're not going to pick the guide. You generally pick averaging one primo. Like I try to pick the primo that I think is going to be the best score for the year in my team. Yeah. I mean, that's tough, but balancing everything. Would it be like,
00:54:07
Speaker
I need time on this. That's all right. I need more time. I didn't mind. Um, cause I actually answered it that way. So I probably should balance like to balance the keeper with the classic side of things. Maybe it's a guy like Walsh. Could it still be that sort of guy that's going to average you potentially 110 in classic and see your wanting Walsh in your classic team next year.
00:54:23
Speaker
No, but that's the thing, I probably wouldn't pay out. Yeah, who would you pay out? So mine's Jack Steel. So the way I look at it, I look at some of the other Primo scorers. So if I look at Tukmila, he's obviously going to be... I don't see his game style changing too much. I just see a few younger midfielders kind of...
00:54:40
Speaker
taking a few points off him next season, anything like your Andersons, your Rows coming up through the ranks. I can see maybe just eating into his scoring a bit more. Still, I reckon there's just no one there. And there's even talk of, well, they're going to lose Dunston. They're going to get players out of there as well. So he's going to have even more opportunity. We saw Crouch did not affect his scoring. In fact, it probably took a bit more pressure off him.
00:54:57
Speaker
this year to score even more. So yeah, and I've got, I've got a soft spot for him cause I've got him in my home league as my skipper each week. So yeah, I've got Steel as my first picked in any format. So I'll take him in classic and I'll take him in a key. Well mate, you're the classic expert on this panel. So I might have to back in on that one and just piggyback on that. Sounds good to me. Cool. What about UK? Very expensive in classic. Well, I didn't answer the question that way, but I think if you're going to go that way, I think Took Miller is equally as safe.
00:55:24
Speaker
Yeah, because he's only 25. Yeah, I know. Like he actually is probably the only one in the Gold Coast who gives a shit about the Gold Coast. Just be worried about the guys come up and coming in that team. He's 25. He's the captain, like realistically apart from
00:55:39
Speaker
You know, Anderson and Rao, who's a genuine top echelon midfielder there. Like Swallow, Run of the Mill, Greenwood, Run of the Mill. Yeah, but he's not the exact same player. So I think that he's going to be in that engine room for the next five years and it's not going to slow down. I do love the fact that you've got like three or four years ago you wouldn't have thought someone like Steele or Tookmilla would be the top two scorers in the game. I love that when they're changing the guard, like that happens.
00:56:05
Speaker
And I think both of them are gonna be pretty reliable going forward. But yeah, that's like it still acts I think yeah, there's no one there's no not as much competition for him there I don't think if you're starting a keeper league or you know I think that both of those guys are perfect because they're 25 and then so do you think like in most leagues? I go pick one and two like if you're starting a keeper league. Well probably McCray does
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah, I was gonna say in this to answer this question for me. It actually might be like a Clayton Oliver or a McCray. Yeah Just cuz they kind of just still fit the mold. They're still like McCray's only 27. Oliver's like younger. Maybe it's Oliver for me That was the answers I look for. Let's move on. Let's get let's get through this actually I want to go back to the horn Francis day cost thing. Yeah. Okay, who would you take?
00:56:44
Speaker
like pick one or you know like yeah if you're gonna draft or you can only have one more classic ten. Who's gonna be the better fantasy scorer going forward? Look I'm just I haven't seen enough personally like I'm gonna have to see the tapes now before the draft. So yeah I just haven't haven't been across it to make that judgment.
00:56:59
Speaker
Dave Coste's numbers from the five games he played this year are phenomenal. Like averaging like 132. But then you see someone like Horne Francis that's like, I don't think we, like, we always, like, we always say on our podcast, they're playing as real men, but like, it doesn't actually change that much. Like a lot of the NAB League scorers still, it's still called NAB League, yes.
00:57:19
Speaker
Um, yeah, a lot of the league scorers do end up being like, look at Sam Walsh, like didn't play against real men growing up, but he's easily the best fantasy score out of that. So a lot of the time it doesn't help, but with, um, horned Francis, we're actually seeing him put up good fantasy scores. So we were like pretty big on players like will go a few years ago. Cause we're like, yeah, and Hately and like players that like didn't put up super good numbers, but we were allowed him to like, you know, we, we let him have a little bit of leeway because they're planning against real men. Horned Francis actually scoring big scores against real men. So it was like really 11 clearance. I was like, holy shit. Exactly.
00:57:49
Speaker
But um, yeah, anyway, that's you're gonna say horny France. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're a big essay boy. That's why you I'm flipping a coin I think they're both very good picks I don't know if you've got if you've got a pick one or two in the in a redraft Yeah, I think which way of wanting to take you in a lose next year. Yeah, I don't think so. I'm probably yeah I haven't seen enough of either but
00:58:07
Speaker
I'm just going to lean Dacos as well. Go for it. All right, mid prices or mid tier players, they're going to go to the next level. Dos, who's yours? I had Sarong and Anderson for your third year breakout. What do you call it? Theory on this one. And both because I think both of them are under priced in the classic sense and in a keeper sense, just got that.
00:58:30
Speaker
The average next to their name I think they're easily going to improve that by 10 plus Anderson on the Anderson side of things had I think four scores over 110 including two 120s and then he had that injury affected mid to late season so he's actually kind of coming in unders where I think that he will be going and third year
Potential Breakout Players Discussion
00:58:47
Speaker
coming into that engine room that's pretty, you know, they need some players in there just to dominate. He's got that inside outside game. Sorong on the other hand, we saw, I think it was Long Muir that was like liking tweets from fans that were saying, oh, they're just nurturing Sorong this season before like letting him loose. So I'm backing in Sorong for a massive uptake next year if those are those numbers. What about Charlie Constable as well in there? I saw that, yes. Just if he's traded, Charlie Constable, I fucking love that guy.
00:59:14
Speaker
What about your case? I'm going on the genuine Kepa League kind of style boys. George Hewitt, I think him actually going to Colton, which is rumoured or whatever is going to happen. And he's basically going there to play that inside mid-roll. He's scored well when he's been playing that last few games in Sydney. Finally got back to some good health. And Matt Kennedy has kind of proven that that inside role can score well at the Blues. So he can kind of compliment Sam Walsh, I think.
00:59:42
Speaker
So you think they just turf Kennedy out? Well, no, but I think that George Hewitt, they're not going to pay 600 grand a year for George Hewitt to play him in a forward pocket. It's like a two million year. My worry is if he goes into that midfield, like there's just again competition. He still might also have defender status thanks to you, which is a nice little pod. Oh yeah, that's the other thing. I don't think he will though, because of the way he finished the season. My boy Paddy Lipinski, when he goes to Collingwood, he is...
01:00:08
Speaker
It's on. It's on. I'm back. The Oracle pronounced mid-season this year as well. I mean on that. How did he move? Watch my camera, mate. That's right. How did he not get a gig this year is what I noticed. Nuts. Well, if you look last night, he probably couldn't have done any worse. That's for sure. I've gone with Trent Rivers as mine. So I reckon he's going to have a breakout season next year coming off that halfback flank. I don't see. And he's going to be a player. What number do you reckon will average?
01:00:34
Speaker
I think 80, I think. And then kind of go forth from there. But yeah, I just see like, there's no threat of like, you know, going into a midfield one day or anything like that. It's just going to be that genuine halfback type, keep his back status for his whole career. Hopefully gets up to be one of those kind of, you know, your Jake Lloyd, your lead type scorers eventually in his career is kind of touted that way. Good junior numbers coming through. So yeah, I've got faith in him to go big next year or to take the next step next year. I looked at him last night, looked pretty comfortable as well on the big stage. So yeah.
01:01:04
Speaker
Alright, shall we get, what's the last one here, first to third year player who will break out next season? Correct. Mine's Will Day, I reckon. I've got him in, yeah, I think multiple leagues. Love the kid, injury affected this year, but even when he did kind of play this year, he's still putting up pretty handy numbers, just plays the outside role. I think he probably will be in mid only.
01:01:22
Speaker
next season, perhaps? I think because he plays a wing, I started a lot on the wing, starting position does come into it a fair bit, but he does seem to get a lot of touches across half back though as well. If he played five games, is that enough to change his status though? I think it is because I've seen people play no games and get change status because of what they did in the twos.
01:01:38
Speaker
So, yeah. So I think that could be a bit of concern, but I don't think you really need to worry. I think it'll be like an 80 plus average next season as well. Solid pick. I've gone with just a double here. Locky Ash, I think can take the step up. I think you guys are pretty huge on him too. Gays London. Yeah. He's a guy that operates with observable thirst. We've said that a few times on the Pod Pod. Definitely keen to get his hands on the footy. Miles Bergman. I know you're probably going to not like this guy at all. I've got him in my capability, mate. Just because it's raining every day in Portland in here.
01:02:07
Speaker
I don't blame the players, mate. I don't blame the players. But Miles Bergman, I actually think, is probably the most underrated potential fantasy absolute superstar that we've got that's just completely flying under the radar, I reckon, in terms of how good he can be. He's like 19 this whole season here. It's his second season, yeah.
01:02:25
Speaker
And I just think, you know, from what we saw this year, his composure and his ability to rack up as well, when he, when he wants to and gets a good role, I think next year he's going to absolutely. Another one though, that's just going to be a winger, like a mid only, you know, is it going to be, I don't know that he plays enough in the back, doesn't he? Literally like last five games, he's pretty much started every, every, every bounce on the wing. Yeah. For me, I thought I'm on was going in and then they'll plan Dursmar and the other one in.
01:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, so he was either rotating those three on the outside, then Karlamo would go in every now and then. Yeah, I don't know. I think he might, I think he might be like that Whitfield, not going to compare to Whitfield, but that's sort of a player that gets sent in and then goes back to it. I think I said that about Dylan Stevens last year. Defender mid, you know, mid defenders, he kind of switches throughout his career, but I just think his composure and his ability to rack up, like he might even be okay as a mid too.
01:03:14
Speaker
I think that impressed me the most this year. I wrote him off at the start of year because I was like, there's no way he's actually going to crack Port's team number one or play a genuinely, genuinely good role in there. And he's just done that and made it look pretty easy. So I think the fact that he can step into a good team, sorry, have a good team and, um, that's a good thing for the competition and play as good as he has. I think that's a massive fair that in the cap.
01:03:37
Speaker
The Oracle's on board. I've done something right for the Oracle to get around me. I'm pretty, I'm pretty happy with Mozburg as well, so. And my 1-30 play, it's obviously going to be a 30 bracket next year. It's Hayden Young. Got injured at the start of the year and kind of just went into the fantasy wilderness, I reckon. And I don't know if enough people have picked up on how good his back end of the season was. Averaged 79 in his last five and had an 80 and two 90s in there. He's always been touted as a really, really good player and a good fantasy scorer.
01:04:06
Speaker
I think he is one that, you know, I don't know what prices are. I don't even really know much about classic. I was just going to look at, I was trying to find a season of average here. I reckon he could still get him maybe in a, in a redraft or pretty, pretty late in a, in a startup draft next year, just based on his average.
01:04:23
Speaker
10 points on the average 68.9 for the season. So yeah, from a classic perspective, if we are going there again, that's, I mean, if you're basing it over the last five, 10 points on a price, that's plenty, especially if he's got the upside to go more. So good pick for both formats.
Conclusion and Reflections on the Crossover Episode
01:04:39
Speaker
All right, this is going way too long. I'm ready to go to bed, so yeah, let's wrap it up. All right, cool. Heff really enjoys our company that much. He's basically brushing us out the door, doesn't he? He's still raining. There's that cloud over there. Can you see it? If I wasn't so hungover, I would still kick you out right now. Get out.
01:04:55
Speaker
Anyways, thanks for listening, I guess, to the crossover pod. It was a long time coming. Hard to get a hold of Louis because he's working some pretty ridiculous hours as well. We still couldn't get him in, unfortunately. But yeah, I hope this was good enough without the real brains behind everything. That's it, mate. Thanks everyone for listening to this amazing crossover ep. Farewell. See you, guys.