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Love Is Blind 4: Clocking the Subtle Misogyny
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Vanessa is right to drag these dudes. Jerry! Jerry!
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Introduction and Critique of 'Love is Blind' Reunion
00:00:04
Speaker
What's up, queens?
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to the Female Dating Strategy Podcast, the meanest female-only podcast on the internet.
00:00:09
Speaker
I'm Rope.
00:00:10
Speaker
And I'm Savannah.
00:00:12
Speaker
Love is blind part two.
00:00:14
Speaker
Man.
00:00:15
Speaker
All the drama.
00:00:16
Speaker
All the tea.
00:00:17
Speaker
All the drama.
00:00:19
Speaker
All the tea and the drama.
00:00:21
Speaker
And the epic fail that was Netflix's...
00:00:26
Speaker
live stream quote quote okay straight up part of the reason why we had to release this episode later is because i could not even watch the reunion episode till like days after it was released right so i tried to watch it when it was live couldn't get on and then even the day after the episode still didn't load so it took like several days for me to be able to even access it on netflix and it wasn't in time for us to record our reaction so
00:00:52
Speaker
Great job, Netflix, doing something nobody asked you to do and doing it poorly.
00:00:57
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure why they chose to do it live when... What's the point?
00:01:02
Speaker
And then they had to pre-record it anyway.
00:01:04
Speaker
I didn't see the point.
00:01:05
Speaker
They should have, like,
TV Audience Manipulation: 'Love is Blind' vs. Jerry Springer
00:01:07
Speaker
audience questions.
00:01:07
Speaker
Like, the thing about it is, like...
00:01:09
Speaker
It would have been cool if you could like dial in and ask them a question, but it was very controlled and very, I want to say manipulated, but like they basically put it in a little box for everyone and framed everybody the way that they felt that the conversation should have been framed, specifically Vanessa.
00:01:26
Speaker
So it basically wasn't a live show then.
00:01:29
Speaker
It wasn't a live show because that's the point of a live show is you get that audience slash listener interaction, right?
00:01:35
Speaker
Yeah, and some of the audience interaction sounded cut in or like they had a screen or a sign that said like, applause now or boo now.
00:01:43
Speaker
It sounded so inorganic.
00:01:45
Speaker
And they always have that in audiences.
00:01:47
Speaker
On any live TV show, they always have that.
00:01:50
Speaker
And I think that was partly taken from, obviously, he's now dearly departed this week, but the Jerry Springer show in, you know, when that became really big in the 90s.
00:02:01
Speaker
Oh, yes.
00:02:02
Speaker
Jerry, Jerry.
00:02:04
Speaker
You know, they were clearly working the crowd and audiences, you know, to get that sort of, you know, reaction and atmosphere.
00:02:11
Speaker
And that's partly where that thing comes from, where they tell the crowd, you know, they'll hold up boo or yay or applause or, you know, laugh things.
00:02:19
Speaker
That's quite a common staple of so-called live TV.
00:02:24
Speaker
Imagine, though, if Love is Blind was like the Jerry Springer show, though.
00:02:27
Speaker
Just imagine if the reunion was like that.
00:02:29
Speaker
I mean, it's not far off, right?
00:02:30
Speaker
Yeah.
Fan-Favorite Couples: Tiffany & Brett
00:02:34
Speaker
I feel like the only difference between the Jerry Springer show and Love is Blind to a certain extent is these people are like gainfully employed and usually in white collar jobs.
00:02:43
Speaker
It's just white collar Jerry Springer.
00:02:47
Speaker
Oh man.
00:02:48
Speaker
Jerry Springer.
00:02:49
Speaker
R.O.P.
00:02:49
Speaker
But anyway, getting into this one.
00:02:52
Speaker
So what were your thoughts, Ro, on the final couplings to start with?
00:02:57
Speaker
So we'll go through each couple.
00:02:59
Speaker
I mean, okay, yeah.
00:03:01
Speaker
So who do you want to start with?
00:03:02
Speaker
So we'll start with Tiffany and Brett, because as you know, we always like to go from least problematic to absolute dumpster fire in order.
00:03:09
Speaker
Crescendo upwards, as they say.
00:03:11
Speaker
So Tiffany and Brett, I'm hoping to all the gods in the multiverse that nothing bad comes out about Brett.
00:03:19
Speaker
Yeah, because we know it's going to be Brett if it's anybody, obviously, because Scroat and everything.
00:03:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm hoping he hasn't done some heinous shit because they just seem... And it's not like their relationship is, like, really sickly sweet.
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Speaker
Because I felt that about Brennan and Alexa.
00:03:35
Speaker
I just felt there's something about their relationship that is a bit too sickly sweet.
00:03:40
Speaker
I couldn't put my finger on it, but it turns out that Brennan is...
00:03:44
Speaker
a semi-confirmed script.
00:03:45
Speaker
So, but what I like about Brett and Tiffany is that they seem to really bring out the best in each other, you know, whilst acknowledging their imperfections as well.
00:03:53
Speaker
So I'm really, really rooting for them.
00:03:55
Speaker
And I was not surprised when they got married.
Success Stories and Audience Perception of 'Love is Blind' Couples
00:03:58
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, so far so good.
00:03:59
Speaker
It seems like their personalities are really equally yoked.
00:04:02
Speaker
And I think they're likable enough that they're going to be a couple that becomes Love is Blind.
00:04:07
Speaker
A Love is Blind fan favorite and a Love is Blind mascot, which is more than a lot of the other couples who have lasted can say.
00:04:14
Speaker
Which is really ironic because there's actually been a lot, a couple of successful couples, but the only ones we talk about are the ones where the audience actually likes both the people.
00:04:21
Speaker
Because there's a bunch of horrible people who found each other.
00:04:23
Speaker
It's like Lauren and Cameron, isn't it?
00:04:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's Lauren and Cameron and probably Brett and Tiffany.
00:04:28
Speaker
But also like everybody was so turned off by like Amber and Barnett's behavior that they kind of, even though they've been married just as long as Lauren and Cameron, no one really talks about them as like a successful love is blind couple, even though they technically are insofar as like they're still married and they seem to love each other.
00:04:45
Speaker
It's just kind of funny to see that, right?
00:04:47
Speaker
Like where you see, even if they're successful, but just like people don't really resonate with them as people, then they won't really get the same like, love is blind edit.
00:04:56
Speaker
So I guess the moral of the story is there's somebody out there for everybody.
00:05:02
Speaker
Unfortunately, some people deserve to die alone.
00:05:05
Speaker
We'll be all die alone, technically, but yeah.
00:05:09
Speaker
And quite a few people who are on the show, even if they didn't meet somebody on the show, I think just having the visibility, they got married or met someone that they did like shortly after.
00:05:18
Speaker
So all that's successful.
00:05:20
Speaker
So yeah, I don't really, I wish them well.
00:05:22
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And I just, yeah, I can definitely see them becoming like the Lauren and Cameron because they just seem like two people who seem really down to earth and somewhat invested in the experiment.
00:05:33
Speaker
And they seem to be very, very well matched as well.
00:05:36
Speaker
And, you know, one of my favourite scenes in that series was when Brett was with Tiffany's and her friends and
00:05:45
Speaker
and how he just seemed to fit in really well with them.
00:05:47
Speaker
He was complimenting them.
00:05:49
Speaker
Complete contrast to where Micah and Paul met Micah's friends.
00:05:55
Speaker
It was complete contrast.
00:05:57
Speaker
So yeah, I'm really rooting for them.
00:05:59
Speaker
Even Brett's family.
00:05:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:06:29
Speaker
And I was like, that's just like the worst if your mom just kind of starts to drag you at your own wedding for not being married soon enough or something.
00:06:36
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But yeah, we have no issues with them.
00:06:40
Speaker
Not a surprise that they got married.
00:06:41
Speaker
Not a surprise that they both said yes.
00:06:43
Speaker
The biggest, quirkiest thing was Tiffany falling asleep and then Brett being very particular about his tuxedo that wasn't tailored properly.
00:06:50
Speaker
But I can totally imagine anybody being kind of upset about that.
00:06:54
Speaker
It almost feels like they had to insert some sort of drama in their relationship just to make it slightly interesting.
00:07:01
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If that was the worst they could come up with.
00:07:03
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Do you know what I mean?
00:07:04
Speaker
Like, I almost feel like, yeah.
00:07:07
Speaker
And also Brett just seems like, as we touched upon in the last episode, another good thing about Brett was he seems like a good friend as well.
00:07:15
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And a very sensitive friend too, in terms of the way he handled it when Jacqueline didn't show up to her wedding dress fitting and how we dealt with Marshall and how we treated Marshall as well was really, really nice.
00:07:27
Speaker
And he seemed like a good friend.
00:07:28
Speaker
So Brett, please don't let us down.
00:07:30
Speaker
And yeah, please be a good person is all I'd say.
00:07:34
Speaker
Yeah, I really hope nothing crazy comes out about him.
00:07:37
Speaker
But it's like because every single guy we thought was like halfway decent has gone on to disappoint us.
00:07:42
Speaker
Yes.
00:07:43
Speaker
Our imitating life, I guess.
Problematic Behaviors: Shane and Other Contestants
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Basically.
00:07:49
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I wonder, too, if there was guys that didn't get chosen that were maybe normal, but we'll see.
00:07:55
Speaker
I think that's probably always the way though, because I mean, at least initially there seems to be quite a few guys who come across as normal and well adjusted.
00:08:06
Speaker
I don't know.
00:08:07
Speaker
I don't know how it works, but.
00:08:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:08:09
Speaker
Except for that guy that said he was a virgin in season one and then we never heard anything else about him.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:08:16
Speaker
Just beat it off.
00:08:18
Speaker
But Tiffany, Brett, aesthetic.
00:08:20
Speaker
Couple aesthetic.
00:08:21
Speaker
All right.
00:08:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:08:23
Speaker
We are rooting for you.
00:08:25
Speaker
The next one, Zach and Bliss.
00:08:27
Speaker
I'm just going to say I absolutely hate Zach.
00:08:30
Speaker
Absolutely hate him.
00:08:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm on the Zacate train too.
00:08:34
Speaker
I'm not a fan of him.
00:08:35
Speaker
I'm not a fan of him at all.
00:08:37
Speaker
And I'm not buying this whole, like, my mom was a stripper, people look down on me, puppy dog eyes, you know, villain or saint origin story from him as well.
00:08:46
Speaker
I think I still can't get over the way he disrespected Bliss and then went crawling back when it didn't work out.
00:08:53
Speaker
And it's one thing to get with somebody and realize that, you know, actually this isn't working, but it's something else to wait for that relationship to completely crash and burn and then go crawling back to your second option.
00:09:07
Speaker
And I just feel like if Zach was a woman, people would not have sympathy for her at all.
00:09:12
Speaker
It's not even just that about his personality is that he's kind of like a preachy chatty Kathy.
00:09:17
Speaker
Right.
00:09:18
Speaker
So like the whole reunion, I felt like he was just trying to insert himself in the mess and I guess trying to defend Paul.
00:09:27
Speaker
But it just came off like he was really condescending.
00:09:29
Speaker
Like, oh, I think you just got on here to be famous.
00:09:31
Speaker
And then like stirring up.
00:09:34
Speaker
I thought that was unfair as well.
00:09:35
Speaker
Like Irina just wasn't attracted to you.
00:09:38
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:09:39
Speaker
Like, she just didn't find you attractive, man.
00:09:42
Speaker
She just wasn't attracted to you.
00:09:43
Speaker
And I do think, like, my sister and I were saying that it's a bit bold to accuse somebody of going on this show just to be famous when it's like, ultimately, you are on a show that is...
00:09:55
Speaker
you know, one of the most popular shows on Netflix.
00:09:57
Speaker
I'm not saying everybody on there is there for clout, but you are ultimately taking part in a show that is watched by millions of people around the world.
00:10:06
Speaker
Like surely you want some exposure out of that.
00:10:09
Speaker
Otherwise, why would you do it?
00:10:11
Speaker
Yeah, it seems rich whenever someone who's also on a reality TV show accuses other people who are on the reality TV show of being there for the quote wrong reasons or like you just want to be on TV.
00:10:21
Speaker
And I'm like, well.
00:10:22
Speaker
And did you see Zach's Instagram?
00:10:24
Speaker
Like he was making like cryptic posts about the gossip.
00:10:27
Speaker
clearly trying to draw attention to himself like so you're just as bad and I completely understood why Bliss's dad was acting the way he was because if Bliss was my friend I would tell her to be cautious as well because to this day I still don't know why Zach chose Arena over Bliss
00:10:45
Speaker
So I kind of believe him on his explanations and that I think he's the type of guy who perhaps... I think he's just as catty as Irina.
00:10:53
Speaker
I feel like Irina is getting the villain at it.
00:10:56
Speaker
But I really feel like they connected because they actually have similar personalities.
00:11:00
Speaker
And Bliss to me is probably like an elevated, higher, more mature version of...
00:11:05
Speaker
of what Zach could be.
00:11:06
Speaker
I just, that's why I just kind of don't think he's really good enough for her because I feel like he's not quite that evolved, but I feel like actually him and arena are equally yoked.
00:11:14
Speaker
And if they had found each other attractive, I don't think bliss would have came back in the picture.
00:11:19
Speaker
A hundred percent.
00:11:20
Speaker
Because also let's be real as well, that Zach wasn't willing to end it with arena.
00:11:24
Speaker
He was still trying to, you know, make it work.
00:11:27
Speaker
Yeah, begging for sex.
00:11:30
Speaker
Basically,
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00:11:31
Speaker
yeah.
00:11:31
Speaker
This is the thing.
00:11:32
Speaker
He was like... And I have to agree with Irina when she said that he is a bit awkward and creepy.
00:11:39
Speaker
Like, the way he stares.
00:11:41
Speaker
Can you just imagine?
00:11:43
Speaker
And then, yeah, he just gives me creep vibes, honestly.
00:11:47
Speaker
I'm not really surprised that Irina didn't find him attractive.
00:11:51
Speaker
But what I will say is that I do rate Irina for coming back on the show because she was given the villain edit, perhaps maybe slightly unfairly.
00:12:00
Speaker
I know she was immature and all that stuff on the show, but I find with these reunions, it always tends to be, I think, like the wrong person who gets most of the smoke.
00:12:11
Speaker
So...
00:12:11
Speaker
In the last season, it was Cole.
00:12:13
Speaker
I think that was quite unfair.
00:12:14
Speaker
Not saying Cole was a saint, but there were people on that show who were much, much worse than him.
00:12:19
Speaker
Objectively worse than him.
00:12:21
Speaker
Yes.
00:12:23
Speaker
Parties.
00:12:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:12:24
Speaker
Also, what the fuck was Bartiz doing with his baby on the show?
00:12:28
Speaker
Right.
00:12:29
Speaker
Jump scare.
00:12:30
Speaker
What the fuck?
00:12:31
Speaker
In the reunion, they randomly had Bartiz like insert his face in his baby at the end.
00:12:35
Speaker
Like, oh, we're looking for who's going to have the first love as blind baby.
00:12:38
Speaker
And they brought that up so many times that it was just awkward.
00:12:41
Speaker
Right?
00:12:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:12:43
Speaker
It's really awkward.
00:12:44
Speaker
And so, I mean, technically, I guess it's Bartiz, even though he didn't have a baby with anybody on the show of his blind.
00:12:51
Speaker
Or no, actually, no.
00:12:51
Speaker
I think Jessica from season one also had a child recently.
00:12:55
Speaker
But neither of the couples, none of the couples that have were married either stayed together or had children yet.
00:13:01
Speaker
But like Bartiz this whole time acting like he's like so above it and only dates baddies, etc.
00:13:08
Speaker
And he's clearly not right.
00:13:10
Speaker
Like he's just a garden variety scrot that doesn't use condoms and probably not some woman and only knew he had a baby months after the fact after the paternity test came out.
00:13:20
Speaker
But it's just he's just so disappointing in so many levels.
00:13:23
Speaker
Like a guy who just so desperately wants to be like one of the cool kids and just is it.
00:13:28
Speaker
Yeah, I do think Barty's like, he was probably like, didn't get much attention from women.
00:13:34
Speaker
And then he hit the gym a bit.
00:13:36
Speaker
And now he thinks he's God's gift to women.
00:13:39
Speaker
That's what I think his origin story is.
00:13:41
Speaker
I might be wrong, but that's the sort of vibes I get about him.
00:13:44
Speaker
But I was very confused as to why he was there.
00:13:47
Speaker
Just inserted when also he's not even considered like a love is blind individual success story.
00:13:53
Speaker
Like when people talk about the last season,
00:13:55
Speaker
No one's really talking about Bartice except to say how much of a prick he is.
00:14:00
Speaker
I feel like they just needed to scrape the bottom of the barrel to have someone be on this second spinoff show, Perfect Match.
00:14:08
Speaker
Oh, yes, of course.
00:14:10
Speaker
Yes, they gave Bartice a light edit and they also gave Shane a light edit because they reused them in a secondary show, even though they're both scrotie and horrible.
00:14:18
Speaker
And Shane is just only looking worse and worse on social media, by the way, if you're still following him.
00:14:23
Speaker
He has recently lost his mom.
00:14:25
Speaker
Okay.
00:14:26
Speaker
I know that he has recently lost his mom.
00:14:28
Speaker
So that might provide some context.
00:14:30
Speaker
I think maybe
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Speaker
last year.
00:14:31
Speaker
So, which is rough.
00:14:34
Speaker
But he's just looking more and more unhinged on social media to the point where everyone's like... Anybody with sense can kind of see that he was mostly the problem.
00:14:43
Speaker
I know there's been some residual dragging of Natalie because they feel like, oh, she's really milking that bad relationship.
00:14:48
Speaker
But I have a feeling that the public doesn't even know the half of Shane's behavior.
00:14:53
Speaker
Because he actually came out and admitted, sort of, that he did cocaine with deep tea, allegedly.
00:15:01
Speaker
So Shay, God, so much love is blind drama.
00:15:04
Speaker
So Shay claimed on his podcast that he walked in on Shane and Deep T doing cocaine.
00:15:09
Speaker
And Deep T denies that, says Shay is a liar.
00:15:12
Speaker
And then it was a big rumor for a while.
00:15:15
Speaker
And it kind of got dropped.
00:15:17
Speaker
And then Shane, more or less this past week on his TikTok, called Deep T a liar for denying that they ever did cocaine together.
00:15:24
Speaker
But it's like, I don't know who to believe, nor do I particularly care.
00:15:28
Speaker
But it's just sort of like, I mean, but you're still doing cocaine.
00:15:31
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:15:32
Speaker
Like at Shane, like, it's like, why are you still like obsessively trying to control a narrative?
00:15:38
Speaker
Like some of the other contestants have more or less moved on with their lives, but Shane has clearly not.
00:15:43
Speaker
And it's kind of, it's getting real unhinged and a little pathetic.
00:15:46
Speaker
And
00:15:47
Speaker
To the extent that he's gotten like a hero's edit or like his behavior has been sort of made excuses for, I feel like it's just because Netflix wanted to reuse them in these adjacent shows, him and Bartiz.
00:15:57
Speaker
Because Bartiz must have knocked this woman up sometime during filming based on the timing.
00:16:02
Speaker
Yeah, or very soon after, which is getting equally dodged.
00:16:05
Speaker
Oh, he's a skrote.
00:16:07
Speaker
So I guess I think that's just because they're like handsome adjacent type guys.
00:16:11
Speaker
They say the right things, right?
00:16:13
Speaker
Despite all their behavior that they want to try to make them look like good guys.
00:16:17
Speaker
But I feel like that's totally an example of men getting the like positive edit and not deserving it.
00:16:23
Speaker
But yeah, Zach and Bliss got married and apparently her father is now funding their trip to Panama.
00:16:29
Speaker
I think they'll work out in the long term, but I just, I still think Zach is a scrope and Bliss is too good for him.
00:16:38
Speaker
This could be much better than Zach.
00:16:40
Speaker
Yeah, I don't get why she's into him.
00:16:44
Speaker
There's some pictures of her ex-boyfriend and he actually looks very similar to Zach, like same dark hair, kind of facial structure, somewhat similar.
00:16:51
Speaker
So I wonder if she's just into guys that look like that.
00:16:53
Speaker
And they did have some kind of connections.
00:16:56
Speaker
And he might just be her type, you know, physically, at least.
00:17:00
Speaker
Well, I hope it works out for Bliss and Zach can step on Lego.
00:17:05
Speaker
I hope you dance.
00:17:07
Speaker
I hope you... Okay, sorry.
00:17:09
Speaker
Ignore me.
00:17:12
Speaker
next up chelsea and kwame yeah kwame which is actually kwame is kwame i hate that kwame kwame kwame did you see him backpedal about his name in the reunion okay so we were dragging him and a lot of other people were dragging him for saying oh i want to be called alex so people can't tell my race
00:17:35
Speaker
Oh, yes.
00:17:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:37
Speaker
He said that he talked to the producers and so he wanted to give the experiment a fair shot without people assuming what his race is.
00:17:45
Speaker
And I was like, I don't know how I feel about that.
00:17:48
Speaker
And then he came out and said like, I'm actually really proud of my name, etc.
00:17:51
Speaker
I feel like that's just backpedaling for him being dragged for looking like a self-hater on TV.
00:17:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:17:57
Speaker
I always feel like in these Love is Blind seasons, they stitch...
00:18:01
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certain people of colour up to come across as like they're really self-hating and it's quite sad.
00:18:08
Speaker
I'm not sure if it actually comes from the person.
00:18:11
Speaker
So like in the previous seasons, I would say that person was probably definitely Shake.
00:18:16
Speaker
And in this season, it seems to be Kwame seems to have this...
00:18:22
Speaker
Yeah, she's pathetic.
00:18:23
Speaker
Yeah, that's really, really weird.
00:18:26
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
00:18:27
Speaker
I sort of understand it because something like Kwame, like a name like Kwame is very, very, like you wouldn't assume that a white person has that name.
00:18:36
Speaker
So in Ghanaian custom, you can actually have essentially two names and Kwame means that you're born on a Saturday.
00:18:46
Speaker
So like some members of my family, the side who are Ghanaian, you know, their name could be Alex, but they're also known as Kwame because they were born on a Saturday.
00:18:56
Speaker
So you can technically have two names.
00:18:59
Speaker
So he could actually be Alex.
00:19:01
Speaker
I'm not saying he is, but he could be Alex.
00:19:03
Speaker
But because he was born on a Saturday, he can also be known as Kwame by his family because Kwame in Ghanaian languages, it means basically born on a Saturday.
00:19:15
Speaker
This might be a larger discussion for any of our listeners who have uniquely ethnic names and whether or not they anglicize it in their regular life.
00:19:23
Speaker
Because truthfully, thinking about it, I have had friends who've had distinctly ethnic names and they have an Americanized version of it.
00:19:32
Speaker
Specifically because, not necessarily to like, obviously in person they don't pass as white by any means, but because they don't want to be discriminated on resumes and
Identity Deception in Dating: Ethical Concerns
00:19:40
Speaker
stuff like that.
00:19:40
Speaker
So they'll put their quote American name
00:19:43
Speaker
I mean, there is like studies or studies have been done in the UK where if you put an ethnic name on a CV and a white sounding name on a CV, exactly the same, the white CV will get more interviews and callbacks.
00:19:56
Speaker
So that definitely exists.
00:19:59
Speaker
I've got a very ethnic name.
00:20:01
Speaker
It's very unusual, but I do shorten it.
00:20:04
Speaker
But that's not because I like hate my ethnic name.
00:20:09
Speaker
It's just because everybody calls me by the shortened version of it.
00:20:12
Speaker
Yeah, see, I feel like that's totally normal.
00:20:15
Speaker
But I do have like, I have friends that they just straight up pick an American name.
00:20:19
Speaker
And most of my friends who've done this have had like, they've had like, they're either South Korean or South Asian from India.
00:20:25
Speaker
So they have like, especially my Indian friends, they have like a long, usually like difficult to pronounce Indian name.
00:20:30
Speaker
They either shorten it or they'll just pick like an adjacent American sounding name.
00:20:35
Speaker
And it's like not at all their name.
00:20:36
Speaker
Same thing with my friends who are from South Korea.
00:20:38
Speaker
So now I'm thinking about it.
00:20:40
Speaker
I don't know that most of my friends who are from continental Africa, they mostly use their real name.
00:20:46
Speaker
They may be shortened at best.
00:20:48
Speaker
But it is a thing that happens quite frequently that people just have an American name as to not be discriminated against.
00:20:56
Speaker
Okay, maybe if I were to give Kwame the benefit of the doubt, maybe he figured out early if I need to just change my name to be an Americanized name to not look a certain way.
00:21:05
Speaker
But
00:21:05
Speaker
not necessarily hate his culture but some of the other stuff he says still makes me think he's full of it but but didn't SK do the same thing because his full name is not SK it's about as Nigerian as you can get in our household we refuse to call him SK we call him Sekiru because that's what his name is so maybe SK did the same thing and Sheikh as well he's not like I mean I guess it can be a nickname but obviously his full name is very ethnic sounding
00:21:34
Speaker
So I don't know.
00:21:35
Speaker
Like, let us know about that one.
00:21:36
Speaker
If you are a person who goes by another name rather than your given government name, do you think that's a fair thing to still call that person at like a self-hater?
00:21:46
Speaker
But this is a bit dodgy though, because I sort of feel like if you're going on Love is Blind, I get what Kwame is saying to some degree.
00:21:53
Speaker
But if somebody is going to discount you based on a name or an assumption about your name, then surely you're just not compatible.
00:22:01
Speaker
True.
00:22:02
Speaker
Yeah, I actually agree with that.
00:22:03
Speaker
I can kind of see it for jobs, but for dating, it's a bit weird.
00:22:08
Speaker
It's like, it's a bit weird to say like, oh, I want to use a different name so that a person who I'm trying to be romantically involved with doesn't actually know me.
00:22:15
Speaker
or like quote discriminate against me.
00:22:17
Speaker
I can get my foot in the door basically.
00:22:19
Speaker
And I hate when men do that.
00:22:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:22:22
Speaker
I think you've pinpointed it.
00:22:23
Speaker
That's why it feels gross.
00:22:24
Speaker
It feels gross when a guy's like, let me just like start out by some kind of deceitful thing to mask who I actually am.
00:22:31
Speaker
So this woman will have sex with me.
00:22:34
Speaker
I think that's what makes it specifically gross in this context.
00:22:37
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:22:38
Speaker
Because ultimately, like, I think discriminating or excluding people on any grounds is fair game in the dating world.
00:22:46
Speaker
And if somebody is going to discount you because of your name, it's not nice, but that's also fair enough.
00:22:53
Speaker
And you shouldn't really be trying to get around people's boundaries like that.
Relationship Dynamics: Kwame & Chelsea
00:22:57
Speaker
And I find that men...
00:22:58
Speaker
you know they do that in a number of different ways like you know for example lying about their height or their income or even in this case their name like it's not about the lie per se it's about the fact that you don't respect other people's boundaries and especially women's boundaries and abilities to make an informed decision as to whether they want to pursue a relationship with you and you're happy to start off a relationship based on deception and that's not cool
00:23:24
Speaker
Exactly.
00:23:25
Speaker
I agree.
00:23:25
Speaker
Totally agree with that.
00:23:26
Speaker
The other thing that made me feel like Kwame was kind of full of shit on that was because he was also claiming that he wasn't actually that upset with Micah breaking up with him and he had actually planned to break up with her first.
00:23:38
Speaker
And I'm like, sure, Kwame.
00:23:40
Speaker
Right.
00:23:41
Speaker
I was like, okay.
00:23:43
Speaker
It seemed like he was rewriting history in real time where like he wasn't like, we all saw you bawling on national television.
00:23:49
Speaker
Like, let's not rewrite history.
00:23:51
Speaker
And the lie detector, that was a lie.
00:23:55
Speaker
He was crying because he had to break up with her, even though he had feelings for her.
00:23:59
Speaker
I'm like, stop it.
00:24:00
Speaker
And do you remember when he was so butthurt when she made a joke that she refused his proposal and he literally went and had like time to talk to the student, talk with her, but she was just not interested.
00:24:10
Speaker
Yeah, I'm totally defending Micah on that one as another person who has like, who just would say some shit like that.
00:24:16
Speaker
I feel like, okay, I feel like I'm going to end up defending all the people that say like rude, but accurate things on the show because
00:24:23
Speaker
But yeah, I think that was a totally fair game joke.
00:24:26
Speaker
And he overreacted because he actually did.
00:24:28
Speaker
Yeah, he did love her.
00:24:30
Speaker
Right.
00:24:30
Speaker
And he's like trying to play it off like, oh, no, I knew I was going to break up with her.
00:24:33
Speaker
But he's full of it.
00:24:34
Speaker
That whole exchange was totally for like to virtue signal to Chelsea.
00:24:38
Speaker
But I don't believe it.
00:24:39
Speaker
I don't believe it either, because even when they met at the pool party, as late as that, he was saying that he still has a connection with Micah.
00:24:46
Speaker
So, like, basically doing a Bartise, but on a different level, because, you know, Bartise was clearly interested in Raven's looks, whereas, you know, Kwame was talking about this connection.
00:24:57
Speaker
Remember when Bartise thought he was on Raven's level?
00:24:59
Speaker
That she just shot him down in the best way.
00:25:02
Speaker
Honestly, Hall of Fame, love is blind moment.
00:25:06
Speaker
She just shot him down, so...
00:25:09
Speaker
You could tell like men like Bartiz are not used to being rejected that badly.
00:25:15
Speaker
And you could just see like he was like trying to laugh, but he was clearly dying inside with each word she was saying.
00:25:22
Speaker
And she was just basically saying not interested, you know, not in this life or the next, basically.
00:25:28
Speaker
She was so right.
00:25:29
Speaker
She was so right.
00:25:30
Speaker
And she dodged a bullet there as well.
00:25:32
Speaker
Well, she dodged one bullet and then ricocheted into another one, but fine.
00:25:37
Speaker
But apparently she's dating somebody new now, so I hope he treats her well.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, good for me.
00:25:44
Speaker
But she genuinely, and again, like with the villain edit thing, she genuinely seems like a decent person and one of the few people across all the seasons who seem to go into it for the right reason.
00:25:55
Speaker
So with SK, she was saying he's not a guy I would usually go for, but that's the point of the experiment.
00:26:01
Speaker
And she seemed to really, even when it came out that he was cheating on her the whole time,
00:26:05
Speaker
You know, she seemed to be genuinely into the experiment and she seemed like a good person as well.
00:26:11
Speaker
Got a little Pilates channel going, which is good for her.
00:26:14
Speaker
I don't even care if people come on the show for like their own personal business interest.
00:26:19
Speaker
That's why I hate when people call other people out for that.
00:26:21
Speaker
Because I'm like, yeah, why wouldn't you do that?
00:26:23
Speaker
You're going to go on national television and expose all of your innermost emotions and make yourself vulnerable.
00:26:30
Speaker
Like you should walk away with something.
00:26:31
Speaker
And she was smart enough to bring attention to her business.
00:26:34
Speaker
Like, yeah, queen shit.
00:26:36
Speaker
Go Raven.
00:26:37
Speaker
Exactly.
00:26:38
Speaker
So Chelsea and Kwame, though, I just think they're so ill-matched.
00:26:42
Speaker
Like, there's a lot of couples in this season where I'm like, same with Micah and Paul.
00:26:46
Speaker
I'm like, I don't know why you picked each other.
00:26:48
Speaker
Well, actually, I know why Kwame picked Chelsea initially, because he wanted a woman who was open about wanting him.
00:26:55
Speaker
But then he didn't seem to want that woman who openly wanted him.
00:26:59
Speaker
So definitely, I feel like Chelsea forced it a little bit with him because I just don't think... There's so much of that that looks like Kwame is going along with it because he doesn't want to feel like he was rejected and he wants to be on the show.
00:27:12
Speaker
And once again, someone already said he tried out for Married at First Sight.
00:27:15
Speaker
So I think he just likes to be on TV.
00:27:19
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
00:27:20
Speaker
So there's some rumors that are going around on Reddit and on Twitter that Kwame cheated already.
00:27:27
Speaker
So again, non-confirmed rumors.
00:27:30
Speaker
We're not the originator of said rumors, but like that's just the tea that's been spilt.
00:27:35
Speaker
it wouldn't even surprise me.
00:27:37
Speaker
Right.
00:27:37
Speaker
That's why I feel bad for Chelsea because I feel like she like legit loves this dude.
00:27:41
Speaker
Yeah, she does.
00:27:43
Speaker
I feel like from the beginning, she definitely seemed like a consolation prize compared to obviously his like quote, amazing emotional connection with Micah.
00:27:51
Speaker
So I just feel like, I don't know.
00:27:54
Speaker
Like, I think she's a very like direct person.
00:27:56
Speaker
And like, he seemed like he was really like, quote, bothered by that.
00:28:00
Speaker
Like a few of the arguments they had prior to them going to the altar.
00:28:03
Speaker
It was about like the way that she communicated with him, et cetera.
00:28:06
Speaker
I mean, that's just her style.
00:28:08
Speaker
Right.
00:28:08
Speaker
And that's why I just don't think, I actually don't think he's right for her, but she's clearly just, I think she's just like really attracted to him.
00:28:13
Speaker
And then.
00:28:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:14
Speaker
You can tell she wants it to work.
00:28:17
Speaker
Yeah, it makes me sad because I really feel like she's going to end up getting her heart broken.
00:28:21
Speaker
He's not into her.
00:28:22
Speaker
Like, he's not into her at all.
00:28:24
Speaker
Or like, not to the extent that he needs to be.
00:28:26
Speaker
Definitely feels like a pussy subscription situation.
00:28:29
Speaker
And then furthermore, I don't believe the things that he says.
00:28:32
Speaker
So.
00:28:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:34
Speaker
So I don't think she should either.
00:28:36
Speaker
It's giving me Jared and Ayanna vibes, that relationship, honestly.
00:28:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:41
Speaker
Poor Ayana.
00:28:42
Speaker
But okay.
00:28:43
Speaker
Detour on that one.
00:28:45
Speaker
So Ayana has been doing like this self growth journey, TikTok series, I suppose.
00:28:49
Speaker
And she came out and admitted finally that Jared cheated on her during their marriage.
00:28:53
Speaker
And I'm like, that is the least surprising thing I've heard at all.
00:28:56
Speaker
Cause he was already kind of cheating on her with Mallory.
00:28:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:00
Speaker
I can see why his friend shot him.
00:29:02
Speaker
Probably got shot by his friend.
00:29:03
Speaker
Exactly.
00:29:04
Speaker
Yo, people thought I was being harsh.
00:29:06
Speaker
And I was like, no, there's no way for you to be like almost 30 years old.
00:29:10
Speaker
And your friend just comes out and stabs you for no reason.
00:29:12
Speaker
I think he's a shady piece of shit.
00:29:14
Speaker
And I think he had a slight moment of clarity after he got stabbed by his friend.
00:29:18
Speaker
And then trauma dumps all over Yana on it.
00:29:21
Speaker
And then once he got like a little bit healed or back on his feet, he's back in the streets, like being an absolute shady.
00:29:27
Speaker
He just has like that shady dude look to me.
00:29:30
Speaker
And I'm not going to blame anybody for like their own violence, but I just... But even like guys in the street, they don't just go around stabbing each other for no reason, especially if you're so-called friends.
00:29:41
Speaker
So yeah.
00:29:43
Speaker
He seems like a cheater and he seems like he's not even just like a cheater on his own girlfriend.
00:29:46
Speaker
I think he like would cheat with other men's girls too.
00:29:50
Speaker
So then like, I totally feel like he got stabbed in either a love triangle situation.
00:29:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:56
Speaker
Or just fuck them over badly.
00:29:57
Speaker
Yeah, owed them money or something bad.
00:30:00
Speaker
So he's not a good dude.
00:30:02
Speaker
And I'm really sorry that Iyana wasted her time on him.
00:30:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:06
Speaker
And again, like, this is part of the reason why I really dislike Zach, because, I mean, I think maybe Bliss and Zach, they might go the distance.
00:30:15
Speaker
But, you know, the couples that, you know, where one of them is very obviously and clearly the second choice don't tend to last that long.
00:30:23
Speaker
Like, again, look at Iyana and, like, what's his name?
00:30:27
Speaker
The only reason I think it'll stay is because he knows that he can't do better.
00:30:31
Speaker
I think he's aware of that.
00:30:33
Speaker
I'm not sure about that, Ro.
00:30:34
Speaker
I don't think even a guy who thinks he can't do better, that doesn't necessarily mean that they won't try to do better.
00:30:43
Speaker
They're not quite the same thing.
00:30:45
Speaker
And ultimately, it's the ultimate validation that this beautiful woman gave him a second chance as well.
00:30:51
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:30:52
Speaker
With Chelsea too, it sounded like she had come out of a kind of terrible relationship.
00:30:56
Speaker
So I'm only bringing this up because I kind of wanted to maybe highlight some of her emotional reactions to things.
00:31:02
Speaker
And I think that's also why I have sort of a soft spot for it because it seemed like whatever relationship she was in before, it was like really restrictive to her.
00:31:09
Speaker
And it seems like she's trying to be direct, set her boundaries, but also like she's really in love with Kwame despite all of his red flags.
00:31:17
Speaker
She's probably being treated better than what she was in her last relationship, even though it's still not good.
00:31:22
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:31:23
Speaker
So she's kind of hanging on to him because she really wants to be with someone, but he's not like the right person for her because he's not going to give her like what she actually deserves.
00:31:32
Speaker
And I think she's just trying to demand it and create the scenario that would, you know, be good for her.
00:31:36
Speaker
But instead of letting a guy who is actually good for her, allowing the space for him to be there and like vetting them appropriately.
Critique of Micah & Paul's Relationship
00:31:43
Speaker
So I just want to point that out because I really like, I don't know.
00:31:46
Speaker
I want Chelsea to be happy, but like Kwame ain't it.
00:31:50
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:31:52
Speaker
So the next, okay, we're now entering into car crash territory.
00:31:57
Speaker
So Micah and Paul, to this day, I don't know what they had in common.
00:32:02
Speaker
Bruh, that whole relationship was confusing even on the reunion, right?
00:32:08
Speaker
Some of the tea about Paul is that he's like a Jordan Peterson follower.
00:32:12
Speaker
And I can totally see that he's kind of slightly condescending.
00:32:15
Speaker
Yeah, I'm starting to get a little bit more of a picture of who they are based on some of the rumors coming out on Twitter, Reddit and Instagram.
00:32:23
Speaker
Sort of makes sense, though, because if you look at the comments he made about Micah not being a mother material.
00:32:30
Speaker
Exactly.
00:32:31
Speaker
That's sort of like, hmm.
00:32:34
Speaker
Yeah, OK, I can see that now.
00:32:36
Speaker
So I think that's why Vanessa Lachey was all up in his grill because she knows he's a jackass.
00:32:42
Speaker
He's basically, I think, one of those guys that's probably going to talk about women using traditional feminine language that like Georgia Peterson does.
00:32:51
Speaker
Like a woman's supposed to be like a vessel and a nurturing for a man, etc.
00:32:55
Speaker
And so when he starts talking to Micah like she's not mother material, etc.
00:32:59
Speaker
Like it just reeks of incel, red pill, etc.
00:33:05
Speaker
right-wing scrote language.
00:33:06
Speaker
The smell of incel is strong.
00:33:08
Speaker
And she was rightfully offended, right?
00:33:11
Speaker
Because I feel like that whole discussion was him trying to recite his expectations of what women should be from a very patriarchal type understanding.
00:33:21
Speaker
It's one thing to be like, you're not the right person for me, but it's another thing to be like, oh, you shouldn't be a mother or etc.
00:33:28
Speaker
I mean, she's a bit immature, but I didn't really think...
00:33:31
Speaker
I don't know.
00:33:31
Speaker
It's hard to tell because like she's young.
00:33:33
Speaker
I thought that was like unnecessarily harsh.
00:33:36
Speaker
Yeah, it was just a bit of an odd thing to say about somebody.
00:33:40
Speaker
And the way he said it was a bit, it just gave me the ick a bit.
00:33:44
Speaker
I think he's just condescending and follows a lot of like traditional, like intellectual masculinity.
00:33:51
Speaker
And more so, again, I feel like Michael just says what she thinks he wants to hear.
00:33:56
Speaker
And I get the impression that because he's like, once again, quote, heavy quote, the more analytical one.
00:34:02
Speaker
And he prides himself on being like,
00:34:05
Speaker
logical see all that language to me is such a red flag now that i'm thinking about it like anytime a man talks about like oh i'm just so much more logical it's like he's probably spends all his time just over analyzing things and then deciding that men are the more logical sex and therefore that's who he is you know and then trying to impose some standard of femininity on to micah
00:34:27
Speaker
And then getting like mad at her when she's not that.
00:34:30
Speaker
I mean, and there's plenty of things to dislike about Micah that I feel like if he had brought those up, meaning like, I thought you were immature.
00:34:35
Speaker
I thought your friends were unnecessarily nasty.
00:34:38
Speaker
I thought some of your behavior wasn't great.
00:34:39
Speaker
But the fact that he kind of went at her as like a mom to me is like incel language.
00:34:45
Speaker
I'm not even sure if Micah was really that good.
00:34:48
Speaker
into Kwame either.
00:34:50
Speaker
I think she just seemed to enjoy the attention.
00:34:52
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't really get the feeling that she was into any of the men that she came across.
00:34:58
Speaker
I think she just, she's another person I feel like wants to be married and is kind of just going along with a guy who seems like he's more sure of himself.
00:35:08
Speaker
I mean, I think it was real.
00:35:09
Speaker
I mean, because, well, so this didn't come out to the reunion.
00:35:11
Speaker
It's like she was talking about how she wanted to have a big family.
00:35:14
Speaker
And so she's kind of wanted to start early.
00:35:17
Speaker
So that was why she was saying the comment that Paul made about her motherhood skills was particularly hurtful.
00:35:22
Speaker
To me, it doesn't seem like she has like that much of a strong opinion about what her husband should look like.
00:35:28
Speaker
And therefore, someone like Paul can just kind of dictate things under his quote unquote, more logical mind.
00:35:33
Speaker
And she just goes with it.
00:35:35
Speaker
That's my impression anyways.
00:35:36
Speaker
What do you think?
00:35:37
Speaker
Yeah, well, I mean, well, there's a rumour that Micah and Irina are going to be on Perfect Match season two, so another dating show.
00:35:44
Speaker
So maybe we'll see a different side to them on that show.
00:35:48
Speaker
See if they find love this time.
00:35:50
Speaker
But yeah, yeah, I do agree with that, actually.
00:35:53
Speaker
I think you're right, but...
00:35:54
Speaker
I just don't think that she, if she did want marriage, it wouldn't have been with any of the guys on the show.
00:36:00
Speaker
Cause I just don't see why she, you know, what she had in common with Paul.
00:36:04
Speaker
I don't know.
00:36:05
Speaker
They just seem like quite an odd couple just throughout the whole season.
00:36:09
Speaker
I never once thought that they would get married basically.
00:36:12
Speaker
Me neither.
00:36:13
Speaker
I didn't even get that they were actually in love.
00:36:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:16
Speaker
I didn't get it either.
00:36:18
Speaker
What did you think about the butt pat situation?
00:36:21
Speaker
Allegedly, the TikTok video of Paul swatting one of Micah's friends.
00:36:26
Speaker
What did you think about that?
00:36:28
Speaker
Have you seen it?
00:36:29
Speaker
Oh, I haven't seen it.
00:36:31
Speaker
No, I'm not really on TikTok.
00:36:33
Speaker
Well, they played it at the reunion.
00:36:35
Speaker
I don't remember being mentioned at the reunion either.
00:36:38
Speaker
It was a while since I watched it, to be fair.
00:36:41
Speaker
He probably did it to be fair.
00:36:43
Speaker
He did that shit.
00:36:44
Speaker
It was her reaction that kind of got, yeah, it was his hand and her reaction that let me know that that was very deliberate.
00:36:51
Speaker
And once again, I think this is like a red pill scrote.
00:36:53
Speaker
So I feel like this is him trying to be alpha.
00:36:56
Speaker
That's why I'm team.
00:36:57
Speaker
Paul is a fucking scrote and that Micah got more of the villain edit than she deserved.
00:37:04
Speaker
And I think Vanessa Lachey was totally right to go in and on Paul, even though the love is blind fandom seems to be really mad at Vanessa Lachey and like wanting to replace her and saying that like, oh, Paul is being bullied.
00:37:14
Speaker
I'm like, nah, bullshit.
00:37:15
Speaker
Paul, for everything in his behavior and the people he follows online, it seems like he's just some red pill scrote trying to intellectualize his masculinity, so to speak.
00:37:26
Speaker
And then that butt shot that he did to Micah's friend just completely confirms it to me in a lot of ways that he's just...
00:37:33
Speaker
Yeah, he's a screw.
00:37:34
Speaker
Like he's trying to like flirt and like look innocent and then like the totally the type of guy that would gaslight a girl later down the line about his behavior under the guise of logic.
00:37:44
Speaker
Vanessa was right to go in on him.
00:37:46
Speaker
He's trash.
00:37:47
Speaker
Yeah, 100%.
00:37:49
Speaker
I just don't get how the Lovers Blind fandom, like, they just get it so wrong.
00:37:54
Speaker
It's almost like, are we watching the same show here?
Marshall, Jacqueline, and Josh: A Love Triangle
00:37:57
Speaker
Like, it was like the last season where, you know, went in on Raven, like, you know, from day one.
00:38:02
Speaker
And it's like, even though she sort of had a redemption arc, but it's like, are we watching the same show here?
00:38:07
Speaker
But all she did was do jumping jacks when, like, Bartise was telling, like, a super boring, irrelevant story.
00:38:14
Speaker
Like,
00:38:14
Speaker
I was like, why is she a villain for that?
00:38:17
Speaker
I mean, but it wasn't even, they weren't even going after her for that.
00:38:20
Speaker
I remember they thought it was so rude that, you know, she wasn't eating the, I think they had the pound of jam in Egusi and she asked to use a fork.
00:38:30
Speaker
And it's like a lot of Nigerian people don't eat that food with their hands because it gets in your nails and shit like that.
00:38:35
Speaker
Like most people use a fork.
00:38:38
Speaker
And so I bet it's white people complaining that she's not, you know, doing the culture when they know nothing about said culture.
00:38:45
Speaker
And they just basically took any reason or used any reason to go after her.
00:38:49
Speaker
Actually take out the bit about white people, please.
00:38:52
Speaker
But yeah, it was just any reason to go after her.
00:38:55
Speaker
They just took it.
00:38:56
Speaker
But this one as well.
00:38:56
Speaker
It's the same with, you know, Zach, where I don't think that Zach and Paul are getting anywhere near enough smoke as they should.
00:39:03
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
00:39:05
Speaker
Nowhere near enough smoke.
00:39:07
Speaker
They're definitely like flying under the radar as far as their villainy.
00:39:12
Speaker
But I think once again, it's because they can give the appearance of being more logical where Irina and Micah just came off like they were being mean at the expense of other girls.
00:39:24
Speaker
Like, I feel like it's just people don't recognize the more subtler kinds of misogyny.
00:39:28
Speaker
And that's essentially if you're not like an FDSer and you can clock that shit right away.
00:39:32
Speaker
I think it just flies under people's radar.
00:39:35
Speaker
Like Arena and Mike are so much more obvious because they're kind of like silly.
00:39:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:39
Speaker
I'm also not surprised that Paul and Zach are best friends, like birds of a feather and all.
00:39:43
Speaker
So.
00:39:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:39:45
Speaker
They totally had incel energy, both of them.
00:39:48
Speaker
Yes, Zach just looks, and I don't think he's ever been in a position where he's had to choose between two women, and I think he loved that shit.
00:39:56
Speaker
As in where two women wanted him at the same, well, appeared to want him at the same time.
00:40:00
Speaker
Well, only one woman did, let's be fair.
00:40:02
Speaker
Reyna was like, hmm.
00:40:05
Speaker
Yeah, that's true.
00:40:06
Speaker
But like he thought he had two options and you can tell he was loving it.
00:40:10
Speaker
Fair.
00:40:11
Speaker
Yes.
00:40:12
Speaker
So everything we've now learned of Paul and Micah makes Paul look bad worse, in my opinion, than... Exactly.
00:40:20
Speaker
Even though I think Micah's still getting the villain at it.
00:40:23
Speaker
Paul doesn't deserve anything.
00:40:25
Speaker
All the homies hate Paul.
00:40:26
Speaker
Fuck Paul.
00:40:27
Speaker
Anything good.
00:40:29
Speaker
All right.
00:40:29
Speaker
So who is next?
00:40:30
Speaker
Is it the last...
00:40:32
Speaker
I think it's the last trio.
00:40:34
Speaker
Oh, God.
00:40:34
Speaker
Okay.
00:40:37
Speaker
Where do we even start with this mess?
00:40:39
Speaker
Jesus Christ.
00:40:40
Speaker
Marshall, Jacqueline and Josh.
00:40:43
Speaker
Team Jackie.
00:40:44
Speaker
I don't care what anybody says.
00:40:49
Speaker
I'm inclined to agree purely because, right?
00:40:53
Speaker
So after, I think just before the reunion or maybe slightly after people dug up tweets from Marshall.
00:41:00
Speaker
They were 10 years ago, but I think what was concerning was that he was at the time a teenager and he was
00:41:09
Speaker
speaking about Black women in a very, very anti-Black women way, like most Black women will know or have come across the way other Black men, you know, speak about them in quite derogatory terms, you know, saying that, you know, Latina women treat their boyfriends better.
00:41:27
Speaker
You totally deserve that kind of humiliation specifically.
00:41:31
Speaker
Yeah, you deserved what Jackie did to you, even though it was 10 years ago, you deserved it.
00:41:39
Speaker
You deserved it.
00:41:40
Speaker
That's just like karma coming 10 years later.
00:41:46
Speaker
Karma.
00:41:47
Speaker
And ran his ass over.
00:41:49
Speaker
Karma pulled up in a Mack truck.
00:41:53
Speaker
Man.
00:41:55
Speaker
Karma, thy name is Jackie.
00:41:59
Speaker
deserve again incel his energy was incel from the beginning wasn't it like he was another one he was very passive aggressive yes
Season Drama and Future Predictions
00:42:07
Speaker
very passive aggressive and i felt like he had a lot of hidden rage like i felt like there was just something bubbling under the surface and i feel like he's the type that will just explode after a while he called her a project first of all
00:42:23
Speaker
Which again, she rightfully takes offense to, right?
00:42:27
Speaker
Where I feel like he is a quote, nice guy, quote, quote, that's actually very controlling, right?
00:42:34
Speaker
Because like that right away just sounds extremely controlling.
00:42:38
Speaker
Like he's going to pretend like he's the martyr in this relationship and he's trying to help her, et cetera.
00:42:43
Speaker
And that she was a project that needs to be fixed.
00:42:45
Speaker
But really he has a lot of his own issues that I feel like he's going to keep externalizing to the women he dates until he gets his own level of therapy.
00:42:54
Speaker
Gets better like self-esteem and also stops trying to like manipulate people or I don't know.
00:43:00
Speaker
He's just, I can't even describe his behavior.
00:43:02
Speaker
Like it's just so like pathetic in a way.
00:43:05
Speaker
I also feel like he wouldn't have tolerated that behavior from Jackie if she had been a black woman as well.
00:43:14
Speaker
This is why I'm thinking it's doubly deserved.
00:43:16
Speaker
He wouldn't be sticking around.
00:43:18
Speaker
Right.
00:43:19
Speaker
He'd be talking about how black women have attitude problems and like, that's why they'll never get married.
00:43:23
Speaker
And that's, yeah, this is,
00:43:25
Speaker
where if it's a little bit frustrating to watch because you just look at it like oh it's okay when non-black women do things that are demonstrably belligerent like guys like him they'll ignore women like tiffany and act like women like tiffany don't exist but then assign every single bad characteristic about black women to being black rather than it being part of that person's individual personality it's very weird it's like a weird type of racism
00:43:51
Speaker
Yeah, and misogynoir as well.
00:43:53
Speaker
And then the whole thing with Josh, they are still together.
00:43:58
Speaker
I wasn't feeling Josh at all.
00:44:00
Speaker
Okay, okay.
00:44:00
Speaker
So, rundown of what happened after the show, but before the reunion.
00:44:04
Speaker
Some text leak from Jackie texting her friend saying that she was not attracted to Marshall and that basically she thought Marshall might have been gay.
00:44:13
Speaker
Allegedly, Marshall said she looked trans.
00:44:17
Speaker
She obviously took offense to that.
00:44:18
Speaker
That was like the quote derogatory term that said she looked like a man.
00:44:22
Speaker
But she was more or less, I think...
00:44:23
Speaker
trying to get him to be more aggressive or something.
00:44:25
Speaker
Now, I don't know if he's gay or not.
00:44:27
Speaker
He just seems like he's just a sad boy loser.
00:44:30
Speaker
Maybe she saw something that made her think he might be gay.
00:44:32
Speaker
Whatever.
00:44:33
Speaker
I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.
00:44:34
Speaker
Well, maybe I shouldn't actually.
00:44:36
Speaker
I don't know what happened.
00:44:37
Speaker
I'll say that.
00:44:37
Speaker
But at the same time, after that all happened, she wanted to clear it up and say like, listen, I didn't actually cheat on Marshall.
00:44:43
Speaker
I broke up with Marshall and then got with Josh.
00:44:46
Speaker
And her and Josh make a heck of a lot more sense than her and Marshall.
00:44:48
Speaker
Josh is like a D1 athlete, totally the type of guy she probably normally dates.
00:44:52
Speaker
And Josh is similarly emotionally stunted like she is.
00:44:55
Speaker
So Marshall's emotionally stunted, but he's more articulate, I should say.
00:45:00
Speaker
But he seems to externalize a lot of that stuff, whereas I feel like Jackie and Josh actually are a little bit more equally yoked.
00:45:06
Speaker
And obviously, she's more attracted to Josh than she is Marshall.
00:45:10
Speaker
Marshall's just so like, I don't know, he's such a nice guy lame.
00:45:12
Speaker
There's a word that's on the tip of my tongue to describe Marshall and I can't like bring it out right now, but he's just like... He's a disingenuous nice guy because he seems like the sort of guy who will be nice, but there'll be a ton of covert contracts involved.
00:45:27
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:28
Speaker
Attached to his, you know, niceness, which is the opposite of being a nice person.
00:45:33
Speaker
Do you know that sort of guy who just makes sorts of, you know, for example, covert contracts and then navigates the world like women owe him something?
00:45:41
Speaker
Exactly.
00:45:42
Speaker
He has all these expectations for women.
00:45:45
Speaker
And I think it's like a latent kind of misogyny that's not as, again, not as obvious and not as instantly clockable.
00:45:51
Speaker
Because it's totally fine to have expectations of your partner, but it just comes across like he has this very need to control women to a certain extent, even though he's not as outwardly assertive.
00:46:02
Speaker
So he does, yeah, he does all these covert contracts and passive aggressive things or like openly aggressive things where he's like explosively angry, but he doesn't really consider that the same as being
00:46:12
Speaker
like a shitty partner because he can communicate well you know i feel like he's only going to be in relationships where he feels like he has the moral high ground yeah so he'll deliberately date down in quotation marks in order to feel superior and yeah people like that are just they have issues quite frankly
00:46:32
Speaker
So, yeah, I don't know.
00:46:33
Speaker
Oh, what a clusterfuck of a season.
00:46:36
Speaker
I'm kind of rooting for Jackie and Josh and their toxic mess.
00:46:39
Speaker
They're another couple that's never going to be a love is blind success story because people just don't like them.
00:46:44
Speaker
Same thing with I think Zach and Bliss are probably not going to be a love is blind success story because people don't like them.
00:46:50
Speaker
I don't think Kwame and Chelsea are going to last.
00:46:53
Speaker
So that leaves Brett and Tiffany, who I think are probably going to be the Love is Blind mascots if they work out.
00:47:00
Speaker
Because there's nobody else in the previous seasons besides Lauren and Cameron, who the viewership all likes.
00:47:06
Speaker
And then also seem to actually be a happy, healthy couple.
00:47:10
Speaker
Class the fuck of a season.
Anticipation for UK 'Love is Blind'
00:47:12
Speaker
I would really be interested to know.
00:47:14
Speaker
They're making a UK version.
00:47:16
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:47:17
Speaker
I don't think it will be as dramatic as US because our reality TV is a bit different, but it'll be interesting to see what happens there.
00:47:25
Speaker
All I'm going to say is it's time to put the spotlight on our friends across the pond and stop embarrassing our nation for once.
00:47:31
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no.
00:47:32
Speaker
Please.
00:47:33
Speaker
No, no.
00:47:33
Speaker
Because when that happens, like the embarrassment is too much, too much.
00:47:38
Speaker
Anytime there's a spotlight on us, it's just worse than it's just worse than the American embarrassment.
00:47:44
Speaker
But I think you will get a lot of the over-Instagrammer types going on that sort of show in the UK because things like Love Island and stuff like that, they've been pretty much monopolised by people who are looking for clout.
00:47:59
Speaker
So I wonder if, hopefully, the producers will screen that out, but maybe they won't because ultimately that brings in more viewers.
00:48:08
Speaker
So we'll see.
00:48:09
Speaker
But yeah, interesting to see how it plays out in the UK.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yes.
00:48:15
Speaker
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00:48:16
Speaker
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Speaker
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00:48:38
Speaker
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Speaker
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00:48:44
Speaker
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00:48:46
Speaker
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00:48:54
Speaker
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00:48:55
Speaker
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00:49:00
Speaker
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00:49:03
Speaker
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00:49:04
Speaker
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