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Loren Lockman on the Components of Health, Fasting, Spirituality, Emotional Health, and Much More!
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This week, we had Mr. Loren Lockman on the show. Loren has helped over 10,000 people on their healing journey directly and many more through his shared wisdom. He advocates for the power of raw food, nature, and intuition.
We discussed the multifaceted nature of health, how it is holistic, and how it can be addressed systematically. A large part of the discussion focused on psychological and emotional health, especially for young men.
We also covered many other components of health, as well as an underlying philosophy. Intuition is so important in health and wellness.
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Introduction to Beyond Terrain Podcast
00:00:01
beyondterrain
Welcome ready to another episode of the Beyond Train podcast. I'm your host, Leo Dalton. Today we have a fantastic episode coming at is, uh, we got a great guest, somebody that I've followed for quite a long time at this point, uh, good, you know, four or five years now. And, um, you know, one of these pivotal guys again, that, uh, that I've been following and, um, you know, really helped shape, uh, everything that I know at this point. So I'm really grateful to have Lauren on today and, uh, to discuss with us if you're,
00:00:29
beyondterrain
New around here. Make sure you give us a review and subscribe and do all that good stuff to help ah help support the show. We'd be much appreciated. Now we got that out of the way. Thank you, Lauren, for coming on today. Really appreciate your time.
00:00:41
Loren Lockman
Hayley, it's a pleasure to be here with you.
00:00:43
beyondterrain
Amazing.
What is True Health?
00:00:45
beyondterrain
Cool. Well, uh, first question I ask all my guests, I get them to define health and I love this question. You can take it anywhere that you want to take it. Uh, what it feels like, what it looks like, how it manifests gives us good starting point to work off of.
00:00:57
Loren Lockman
Okay. Yeah, sure. Well, my working definition has always been, you know, true health is when all aspects of the self, that is our, our physical self, our mental self, our spiritual self or emotional self, when all aspects are functioning at the highest level possible.
00:01:18
beyondterrain
Right.
Interconnectedness of Health Aspects
00:01:19
beyondterrain
Yeah, that's awesome. Um, so maybe you could speak a little bit more to that, to that sort of real holistic view here, you know, like what, um, you know, a lot of people, we try to differentiate, you know, what this, what's the spiritual and psychological health and physical health and emotional health, you know, but it's all connected, right?
00:01:25
Loren Lockman
Uh-huh.
00:01:38
beyondterrain
And it's all one in the end, right? So maybe you could speak a little bit more to that.
00:01:41
Loren Lockman
Exactly. Sure. Yeah, I mean, we you know we can certainly think about these different aspects of ourselves. um You probably know people who, for instance, are mentally, they're healthy and strong and everything works well, but emotionally, maybe not so much. Or perhaps physically. ah could It could go either way. I mean, there there are people who make excellent choices physically, but really haven't done the emotional work.
00:02:10
Loren Lockman
And so emotionally they're not operating where they could be um or vice versa. you know Maybe they have everything worked out and they think that because you know there's there's there's this idea, um I subscribe to it, you you may or may not, but this idea that we're not physical beings, we're spiritual beings having a physical journey. okay The body is just a vehicle, it's not me. And some people say, well, in that case,
00:02:39
Loren Lockman
Why do should
Rebellion at the Air Force Academy
00:02:40
Loren Lockman
I take care of it? What difference does it make? Right? And you know it's an understandable viewpoint. um It reminds me many years ago, I was a cadet at the US Air Force Academy. I was younger than you are now when I left there. And one of the first things they told us is that because they had so much invested in us, we were not even allowed to ride on a motorcycle.
00:03:06
Loren Lockman
And my best friend and I looked at each other and said, we got to go get a couple of motorcycles. Because that's that's the way we rolled. You definitely didn't want to tell us what we weren't supposed to do. Right? Back then, that would just push us right in that direction. So the first time we got a weekend pass or a day pass, we went up to Denver. We were in Colorado Springs. We took a bus up to Denver. We bought a couple of of used motorcycles.
00:03:32
Loren Lockman
and we brought him back. We had a range with a friend who lived off base. We could start storm his garage. And that summer we drove from Colorado back to the East Coast. And my bike, which at the time would have been something like, not that old, you know maybe eight years, eight or nine years old, but there were it had some issues. And I wound up having to stop and dump oil into the crankcase over and over again and you're dealing with with issues. Well, fast forward many years. 10 or 12 years ago, I bought a used BMW motorcycle, which lives in Germany. My girlfriend lives in Germany. It lives in Germany. I've done three lecture tours of throughout Europe by motorcycle.
00:04:18
Loren Lockman
and It's an amazing machine. It's a sport touring bike. It's like a rocket ship, and it's a finely tuned machine. So the difference between those two journeys. I mean, one journey was a week, and I had to stop to fix the thing. I don't know how many times. The other journey was nearly three months. It was 11 weeks. I did 17,000 kilometers.
00:04:47
Loren Lockman
The only thing I had to do at in Serbia, I had a giant pothole doing like 60. I'm lucky I didn't go down. And i had to I had to fix the rim, the rim front wheel bent as a result of it. So I had to get that fixed. Other than that, I didn't have to do anything. Okay, so this is this is a vehicle. And at some point in time,
00:05:11
Loren Lockman
Uh, probably in the next 60 or 70 years, I'll have to trade my vehicle in for a new one. Right? Something like that. Um, it won't be tragic. It's no more tragic than when I got rid of my, my first car, the 68 bug, you know, to get something else, right? It was time to get something else. Eventually this, this machine wears out. We're going to replace it and it's not a big deal, but the thing is,
00:05:40
Loren Lockman
You know, as as I think you probably know, if you've been following me all these years, I'm now 37 years without a day sick. And I went from being sicker than anybody I knew. At 23, I got sick.
00:05:55
Loren Lockman
It took me three years of of medicine getting worse all the time with conventional medicine. I finally walked away at 26, never looked back, and that was 37 years ago.
Personal Health Journey
00:06:05
Loren Lockman
It took me six months. Since then, haven't been sick a day. I have tons of energy, mental clarity. Emotionally, I feel more balanced than ever. Spiritually, I feel connected. And and my journey has been much more enjoyable because I haven't had to constantly fix the machine.
00:06:25
Loren Lockman
A lot of people my age, I mean, a lot there' there's half a dozen guys I went to high school with who are dead from cancer or heart disease. There's a lot of others, they're just not functioning in the way that they used to. And so the journey is a lot more fun when we take care of the vehicle.
Physical Health and Life's Journey
00:06:43
Loren Lockman
It's not the vehicle, but if I take care of the vehicle, the vehicle takes care of me.
00:06:50
beyondterrain
and It's a very important distinction that you make there. And I think that's great and a great analogy.
00:06:53
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:06:55
beyondterrain
Um, you know, we certainly understand the importance of our, of our physical health, right? And we can't
Psychological Health Impact
00:07:03
beyondterrain
negate that. And we never have here on this channel and, um, you know, but there is this sort of growing idea that we've been discussing a little bit of, you know, the psychological underpinnings of a lot of health, uh, problems, you know, things like, um, German new medicine teaches, right?
00:07:06
Loren Lockman
right
00:07:11
Loren Lockman
Right.
00:07:19
beyondterrain
That, that. Conflict behind you know the autoimmune or the chronic illness ah things of this nature. What are your thoughts on that?
00:07:26
Loren Lockman
Yeah. Well, I agree completely. I believe ah do you know who uh see if i can remember her name it's a canadian older one she's got to be mid 70s late 70s by now she's a medical intuitive and i'm like not thinking of her name but she's she's probably written 15 or 20 books she's she had this gift she's had this you know she's been doing this for 50 or 60 years she can sit down with someone she's never met and
00:08:00
Loren Lockman
Just focus her energy on this person and properly diagnose them. I mean, doctors will later say, yeah, she's right. This is what's going on, okay? You know, it's an amazing thing. She has no training. This is just something that but she does. And I don't remember each of the connections, but I remember, for instance, she says that every physical disease has a specific suppressed emotion attached to it.
00:08:30
Loren Lockman
And that in fact, it's the primary cause. Now, yeah know that's that's a little bit of a stretch, a little hard to wrap wrap my brain around that. But that theoretically, we could eat nothing but McDonald's or smoke 18 packs of cigarettes a day. And as long as we had no suppressed anger, there would never be cancer. Now, most people do have suppressed anger. Most people are walking around with suppressed anger and a lot of other suppressed emotions as well. So I firmly, believe i you know, I can't say for sure that she's right that
00:09:02
Loren Lockman
there's a specific emotion or that that's the specific emotion. But I do believe that every physical disease has some emotional dis-ease that's at the root of it. It may or may not be the primary cause, but it could be a significant factor. And I think it's always there. Having now worked with more than 16,000 clients over the last 35 years, I don't think I've ever seen anyone where there wasn't clearly suppressed emotions. It's a common thing. In fact, you know I spoke to a young man yesterday afternoon who's gonna be coming to Tanglewood with his mother in just a few weeks. um He is a couple, two or three years younger than you. And I said to him, as I say to everyone, 25 guys, 25 and under,
00:09:58
Loren Lockman
um the most difficult part of the process for almost everyone is dealing with the emotions that come up.
Learning from Animals
00:10:06
Loren Lockman
Because theoretically, and we haven't talked about what I do, I don't know how many of your viewers will know who I am or what I'm up to, but as you know, I run the world's largest dedicated water only fasting center, and have guided more than 11,000 people through fast averaging 26 days, this is just water. Now the other people I mentioned are people I've just done coaching with. Okay, they haven't fasted with me.
00:10:28
Loren Lockman
And what happens is when we get, so if you if you look at animals in nature, your dog or cat, if it gets sick enough or badly enough injured, will lay down and refuse to eat, okay? Processing food takes more energy than anything else we do normally, about half the body's daily energy. And so if the body needs to heal, it instinctively doesn't want food. And you're a little closer to it than I am, but you may remember being a boy, you know, being sick and not wanting to eat.
00:10:58
Loren Lockman
Your mother probably made you eat anyway. Good Jewish mother, I guess, yeah.
00:11:04
beyondterrain
and said No, no, but yeah, she certainly made me...
00:11:09
Loren Lockman
Mind it, they think that's the right thing to do. But the truth is the body knows exactly what it needs. And it doesn't it doesn't want food. that's That's the instinctive response because it takes too much energy. now Most people think, well, you have to eat to keep up your strength so your body can heal. You don't. Every species on the planet stops eating what it needs to heal. But if you look at animals, they don't move.
00:11:35
Loren Lockman
They're resting as completely as possible. A dog, a big dog, can go many weeks without food and may lay on one spot. it may or may It may stretch, change position sometimes because just like you or I, if you spend too much time in one position, it's going to start to be a bit uncomfortable. So they they may change position, but they don't get up and walk around.
00:11:57
Loren Lockman
They're not on Facebook. right They're just resting as completely as possible. when And so I encourage my my clients to do the same thing. When they do, when people get quiet and still enough, suppressed emotions begin bubbling up to the surface. Now, don't take it personally. And I can say this because I was a guy your age at one point, pretty long time ago.
00:12:21
Loren Lockman
um Most guys under 25 aren't that emotionally mature yet. Now you may very well be an exception, I wasn't, um but most guys aren't that emotionally mature. And so we're we're not very good. Women are usually much better at that age at dealing with their emotions. About half the young guys run away within 10 to 14 days. They might've come for four, or five, six weeks, but they're usually gone within two, half of them anyway.
00:12:51
Loren Lockman
Yeah, and we don't see that with any other segment of the population. So it's the hardest part. It's also, perhaps in some ways, I mean, the physical things that we see are amazing.
00:13:04
Loren Lockman
But I really believe that the emotional healing transformation that's possible can be much more powerful still. Because if we can
00:13:14
beyondterrain
Yes.
00:13:16
Loren Lockman
achieve that transformation where we're simply able to be to sit with our emotions or maybe to sit in our emotions. Sometimes it feels that way. If we can do that, we're much better able to control our impulses because what what happens to a lot of people is they do all this work And then they go home, they go back to making relatively poor choices. And I think subconsciously, they're often making these choices subconsciously in order to suppress emotions. So
Benefits of Fasting
00:13:46
Loren Lockman
if we can get to the point where we don't need to suppress emotions anymore, because we're perfectly comfortable with them, we have a much better chance of consistently making excellent choices from there.
00:13:58
beyondterrain
Yeah, you know, I'm thinking a lot about our discussion with the Biggleson brothers and ah the work of their father, Harvey Biggleson, you know, back to um kind of what we started talking about here, you know, that, and that ah complex interplay between our, you know, emotions and our psychological realm.
00:14:17
beyondterrain
And the physical, right. And they, they would talk about it as, you know, scarring in the body and it being a necessary component of holding on to toxicity. Right. So there's a really interesting interplay that they propose. ah Not necessarily that they originally proposed it, but, um, that they're discussing, you know, at lens, um, you know, that, that it's, it's a, it's a piece of the puzzle. Right. And one of the interesting things about fasting is, you know, for me.
00:14:45
beyondterrain
I've done a couple of fast, nothing to the extent of what you're doing. Um, but the, the biggest benefits in my mind was not even the physical benefits.
00:14:56
beyondterrain
And, ah you know, generally I'm a pretty healthy guy. Um, you know, but the spiritual and the psychological benefits of it was why I did it and what I really got out of it.
00:15:10
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:15:11
beyondterrain
Your, your meditation becomes easier. becomes deeper, becomes much more profound as you go.
00:15:17
Loren Lockman
Sure.
00:15:18
beyondterrain
It's quite an amazing thing to experience. you know so um and And you mentioned a lot of really interesting things about healing and you know obviously our observations with animals.
00:15:31
beyondterrain
you know Tuning into my own intuition, if I ever do get a little sickness here and there, I don't eat. you know i I certainly don't.
00:15:38
Loren Lockman
Right. Yeah.
00:15:39
beyondterrain
um It's just natural. I don't want to eat. And, uh, you know, now I'm just listening to myself, listening to my own body, uh, when that does come up, you know, and I think that's, that's really, really, really important that intuition piece.
Young Men and Emotional Struggles
00:15:52
Loren Lockman
Absolutely, yeah, agreed completely.
00:15:52
beyondterrain
Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think, you know, you, you bring up some really important things here about, you know, young men, especially not being able to, you know, deal with and process their emotions.
00:16:08
beyondterrain
I'm curious about your thoughts are on why that is. and also what we can do, right? What what can we do about it?
00:16:15
Loren Lockman
Sure. Well, in fact, let let me yeah hasten to to say I don't believe it's that young man can't do it. i think I think it's very uncomfortable for them to do it. And I think the reason why is the reason why a lot of things are uncomfortable when they're new, when they're foreign to us. You know, I i was was talking to someone yesterday and remarked that our our clients have come so far from 150 plus countries. And I don't think there's ever been a male who couldn't complete, no matter where they came from, who couldn't complete the following sentence. Big boys don't.
00:17:03
beyondterrain
cry Everyone knows it.
00:17:05
Loren Lockman
Everybody knows that all over the world. And this is the issue, is that we're taught as boys that sadness is effeminate, it's feminine.
00:17:08
beyondterrain
Yeah
00:17:17
Loren Lockman
It's not something we're supposed to feel. ah Many, many females and very you know it may vary a little bit from culture to culture, but often they're taught that they shouldn't experience anger. That's masculine, that's not feminine.
00:17:30
Loren Lockman
And so I think what happens is we're we're raised to believe pretty overtly being told that we shouldn't feel certain emotions, that it's not okay to feel certain emotions. okay And so we get a bit gun shy. you know These emotions come up and we we do everything we can to suppress them or to distract ourselves from them.
00:17:53
Loren Lockman
And people use, you know, in addition to food and alcohol and other substances, they use pornography or television or or video games, almost anything. I mean, the point is anything but being present to what's going on in the body. And the the problem is, is that those emotions are there, are coming up for a reason. If we're willing to actually pay attention to them,
00:18:22
Loren Lockman
we can often resolve some underlying issues. If we don't pay attention to them, we stay unconscious about them and then nothing really changes,
Listening to Signals for Growth
00:18:34
Loren Lockman
okay? It's you know it's really it's not much different than physical feelings. So for instance, if I've got pain in my knee, I mean, what do a lot of people do is they go take something so they don't have any pain, they don't feel the pain.
00:18:48
Loren Lockman
But the pain is there to tell us something, very specifically, get off your knee, right? Leave it alone, let it rest, it needs to heal. um But there's there's a message there, and we're always gonna do much better if we heed the body's messages. Emotions are coming up for a reason too.
00:19:07
Loren Lockman
No negative emotions arise, I believe. And this was the first part of this borrowed heavily from nonviolent communication, which years ago when we had a 17 week internship program, I taught three books and people were surprised that I wasn't teaching fasting or diet from a book or something like that. I already had that piece worked out. I was teaching that from, from, from here. You know, I didn't need to go to a book for that, but I was teaching nonviolent communication, radical honesty, and the Four Agreements. Because I believe that these three books that, you know, if we could figure out the communication piece, the emotional piece, and how we interact with others, that goes a long way towards empowering us to become who we're capable of of being. And so Marshall Rosenberg in Nonviolent Communication says that we experience negative emotions
00:20:06
Loren Lockman
when we have needs that aren't being met. So so for instance, ah and needs are universal, by the way. Everybody has the same needs. You know you might remember, if you ever studied psychology, Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. At the very bottom, you had the the physical needs, the survival needs. We can't survive without the right temperature, enough food, water, et cetera. At the very top,
00:20:34
Loren Lockman
of the pyramid, you had self-realization. You can't focus on that highest need, which is essentially moving us towards enlightenment, until you handle all the needs below it. You're not you're not really going to be focused on enlightenment, on self-realization, if you don't have enough food to survive. You're going to be focused on your physical needs.
00:20:58
Loren Lockman
and so
00:21:01
Loren Lockman
if we understand that these negative emotions, let's say we all have social needs, okay? And I'm lonely, but I don't know what it is. All I know is I i don't feel good. I can't do much about it if I don't know what it is. But if I can understand, okay, I have a need for companionship. I have social needs that aren't being met. If I know that, I can call a friend, right? I can go,
00:21:31
Loren Lockman
I can go out to a public place and connect with people, um strangers or or people I know. I mean, it doesn't always work for everyone. For some people, you know it can't be strangers. They're not going to but just going to feel worse in that situation, right? um I do pretty well with strangers and just start talking to anybody. But um you if I need to connect with people, I can go find people anywhere. But for a lot of people, it might mean Calling, you know messaging the some people you're close to and saying, hey, you know if if like if they're not in close proximity, I'm i'm right now in Park City, Utah. I don't know that many people around here. I know a few, but not that many. I don't have any close friends here. So what I might do is I might message someone I'm close to and say, hey, and can we do a Zoom call? right can we Can we get together somehow and connect?
00:22:26
Loren Lockman
to get those needs met.
00:22:30
beyondterrain
Yeah, it's, uh, you know, that's sort of the, the double edged part of this media, right? Cause I'm sure we can have a great discussion on how it's, it's harmful. But like you're saying here, there's a lot of really amazing benefits too. And, uh, that's really what we're trying to do here is, is use the benefits, right. And leave the rest, you know, so.
00:22:51
Loren Lockman
Well, you know, social media is like a lot of other things in our lives today. It's a tool. It's an amazing tool. I have no idea where you are, but this would probably be impossible right now without social media.
00:23:06
Loren Lockman
And I've done, you know, I've done similar podcasts with lots of people all over the world and it doesn't matter because
00:23:06
beyondterrain
Exactly.
00:23:14
Loren Lockman
If we can figure out what our you know what time it is and get on at the same time, we can we can connect this way. um It's just a tool.
00:23:21
beyondterrain
That's the hardest part.
00:23:22
Loren Lockman
the Yeah, the the right, sometimes. The problem the problem is is that it's beneficial to the people who run the tools to keep us addicted, to make it more addictive.
00:23:37
Loren Lockman
Now, honestly, you know heroin is highly addictive. So I choose not to use it. you know I grew up at a time where we experimented a lot in the 60s and 70s. But I never took heroin because I didn't want to throw my life away you know by being addicted to something I couldn't stop using. So I experimented with lots of things, but always with things that I was confident I could stop using when I chose to. Some of them I used once, some of them I used
00:24:09
Loren Lockman
150 times, but I always have the sense that I can quit at any time. Social media is no different. A lot of people are addicted to Facebook, pornography, whatever it might be, but you and I both have the ability to say, okay, you know what? I'm going to exercise some self-control. We can do that. I'm not suggesting it's easy. Obviously, it's not easy for a lot of people.
00:24:38
Loren Lockman
And i you know, it it actually ties right into this conversation because I think it becomes a lot easier when we are willing to be with our emotions. Again, people are often looking for a way to distract themselves from the miserable situation that there're they're living in.
00:24:58
Loren Lockman
You know, they're not really happy. And so they're looking for a way to distract themselves.
00:25:01
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:25:03
beyondterrain
Oh, very well put. Yeah, great connection. Um, I was just gonna say, you know, it's not as though we can't abuse natural things either, right? We can also abuse food. You know, people can eat to, you know, stuff down the emotions as well.
00:25:15
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:25:18
beyondterrain
That's a ah really common thing. And, you know, even, even the natural things, right? You can be addicted to working out, which is, you know, a little more natural than, than maybe social media, but, um, you can, it's,
00:25:29
Loren Lockman
Yeah, yeah no you're actually right. There's no such thing as a healthy addiction. I mean, although I think we could probably agree that, you know, if you're going to be addicted to something, apples and oranges or working out is probably better than heroin or Vodka, right?
00:25:47
Loren Lockman
But the truth is, the truth is that if we're addicted, what it means is that we have given away our power.
00:25:47
beyondterrain
Great, yeah.
00:25:53
Loren Lockman
We're no longer fully in control.
00:25:58
Loren Lockman
And that's, you know, we're essentially we're, we're creating ourselves as victims. I'm not a victim of the substance or a victim of the the app or whatever it might be.
00:26:09
Loren Lockman
But I think really what it comes down to, and again, I don't mean to to make it sound, you know this is not to diminish anyone who is stuck in a cycle of addiction. But we know that that people do escape these cycles. It is possible to do. And so the real question is, why why hasn't someone done that? what is it you know why Why are they stuck there? What's going on? I think the truth is that oftentimes we're where we choose to be.
00:26:38
Loren Lockman
If someone once said, if you want to know what someone really, really wants, look and see what they have.
00:26:45
beyondterrain
Interesting.
00:26:45
Loren Lockman
Because we're creating all of it.
00:26:48
beyondterrain
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. You know, I think with addiction addiction to something I've been looking into a lot is the connection with addiction to, you know, traumas, you know, not necessarily, you know, huge, you know, trauma from war, or stuff like that.
00:27:02
beyondterrain
But even those little conflicts and traumas that we experienced naturally, you know, um that just go unresolved.
00:27:08
Loren Lockman
yeah but no Yeah, that's right.
00:27:10
beyondterrain
Right.
00:27:12
Loren Lockman
Yeah, I mean, and I, you know, it's, it's hard sometimes for people to understand. ah My guess is that most humans probably have some version of an abandonment scenario.
00:27:26
Loren Lockman
Now, um I don't know about you. My parents didn't abandon me, not in the way that we think about that. But but i'll tell I'll tell you a funny story. Years ago, I was doing a full day seminar in Austin, Texas. My mother lived still lives in Houston, but this was like 25, almost 30 years ago. And she'd she'd never heard me speak in public. So she drove with a friend from Houston to Austin to hear me speak. And during the seminar I was talking, I always talk in a full day, creating perfect health seminar about this emotional piece.
00:28:04
Loren Lockman
And I was talking about this and I gave ah gave a, just an example, you know, possible scenario where, you know, imagine that mom and dad have been focused on the baby for the, you know, for for a year and finally think, okay, let's go have a weekend to ourselves. And so they leave the one-year-old with grandma and they're driving away waving, bye honey, see you on Sunday.
00:28:33
Loren Lockman
And the baby doesn't know what Sunday means. All the baby knows is that these two people, one of whom has always been there, are driving away. Right, so I'm telling this story. And after the seminar, my assistant and I and my mother and her friend would go to Whole Foods, the original Whole Foods actually back then. It's no longer there. They rebuilt it. But in the original building,
00:28:55
Loren Lockman
They had a beautiful salad bar, almost all organic. ah Not like the ones they have. It was much better than what they have these days. um But we're sitting there in Whole Foods having dinner. And my mother says, honey, I'm so sorry. I mean, again, I was like 40 at the time. And I'm like, what are you sorry about, mom? She said, leaving you with grandma when you were a little baby. I didn't have any memory of that.
00:29:26
Loren Lockman
okay I was just making up a scenario, but you know it's entirely possible that that that infant, maybe me, somehow experienced that as a form of abandonment.
00:29:40
Loren Lockman
And how I interact with that, I mean, you can't say, well, yeah, but mine was worse because it doesn't really matter what happened. It's how we interact with what happens. It always is.
00:29:52
beyondterrain
Absolutely.
00:29:53
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:29:53
beyondterrain
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, that's the one thing, you know, we, we talk a lot about the responsibility, uh, component of health all the time. Uh, you know, it's in the bio of the podcast, it's everywhere, everywhere, what we're doing.
00:30:02
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
Childhood Influences on Emotions
00:30:06
beyondterrain
Right. And obviously you already brought it up the victim mindset before here, but as, as children, we're not responsible. We're not meant to be responsible, you know, so we're almost like a victim to our experiences, right?
00:30:15
Loren Lockman
No.
00:30:19
beyondterrain
And victim is probably the, not the right word, but You know, we are, you know, all of our experience shape our worldview. And like you said, we don't understand these things, right?
00:30:29
beyondterrain
So we have our needs and when our needs aren't being met, this is going to shape our worldview regardless of, you know, it was just grandma, right? It was just grandma. It's not a big deal. Like, you know, grandma loves it and loves the kids very, very much.
00:30:39
Loren Lockman
yeah
00:30:42
beyondterrain
So it's, it's kind of funny how that, that works, but it's the perspective.
00:30:45
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:30:46
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:30:47
Loren Lockman
Well, you know, and and it's interesting because even this, which seems, what you just said seems completely cut and dry, children have no no agency, right? where We're subject to what our parents do or don't do, you know, the adults in our lives, maybe older siblings, but we're, you know, as little kids, there isn't so much, we don't have much choice.
00:31:09
Loren Lockman
We typically don't buy the groceries. We don't, you know, we don't make those choices. um It's interesting though, because there's there's another possible way to think about that. And that is, you know, again, this is this is getting into the realm of the who knows, um but this idea that we, before we're born, we choose our parents so we can have a specific type of experience, things we need to work out. You know, again, now this may or may not be the case. I happen to believe that it's true. its It doesn't matter whether it is or not, but but if it is,
00:31:43
Loren Lockman
You could say, well, I actually chose to incarnate into this situation because I needed to experience certain things for my soul's growth. I don't know. But I mean, you know, I think, I think most people would say, no, of course the child has no choice. Now the thing is, I know people, I had a client once who was around 70 and he wound up spending an extended amount of time at my wellness center and Every night he cried because he believed his mother had never loved him. Now that may have been true. I have no idea. His mother had been dead for 50 years. um Certainly nothing he could do was going to change how she interacted with him half a century earlier. What's possible to change is how we choose to interact with that.
00:32:41
Loren Lockman
Reality that the truth, you know, she did whatever she did. She said whatever she'd said She you know, she was or wasn't there for him. I mean all of that is true. That's that's history. That's what happened What's possible is that we get to a certain point with emotional maturity. We can say okay Okay, I Understand that my mother did the very best that she could was it perfect far from it? Okay, but she did the best she could given how she was raised. I don't know if it's, um if off-color profanity is okay here, but there's one, all right, I love it. um One of my favorite poems was by a famous English poet named Philip Larkin, who wrote a poem called, This Be the Verse. And it starts off with a bang. He said, they fuck you up, your mom and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had.
00:33:39
Loren Lockman
and add some extra just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn by old style fools in hats and coats who half the time were soppy stern in half at one another's throats. Man, hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can and don't have any kids yourself. So, you know, I believe that the conclusion is meant to be dark humor.
00:34:05
Loren Lockman
right, die young and don't have children. But the premises are completely serious. This is exactly what happens. Okay. ah You know, ah your our parents do the very best they can, but unless they're conscious enough to shift their programming, I mean, we're all programmed by what we see, what we experience every day as children. And this, this is the reason why child of, uh,
00:34:34
Loren Lockman
of a drug addict is much more likely to take drugs. A child of an alcoholic is much more likely to become an alcoholic. And a child who grows up watching his his father beat his mother is much more likely to engage in the same behavior on one side of it or the other.
00:34:52
Loren Lockman
That's it's just, wonderful statistically it's what happens.
00:34:52
beyondterrain
100%. Yeah.
00:34:55
Loren Lockman
Now, I don't i don't think we're victims. you know And this is the thing, I mean, yes, as children, yeah, there's not much we can do. you know If you're an eight-year-old kid, you're not gonna stand up to your father who's four times your size. Or if you do, it's you know it may not produce the results that you're hoping for. But at some point in time, we mature to the point where we can say, okay, you know what? That that man, my you know my father in this case is not my father, but that that theoretical father,
00:35:27
Loren Lockman
Obviously he was hurting. Obviously he, you know, he probably never felt loved himself. He never got his own needs met. We have the ability to see it from a different place and to forgive them completely for what they did because they did the best they could. And that's, that's unfortunately, that's a, it's a place that a lot of people never get to. I mean, again, I see people all the time, 50, 60, even older who are still holding themselves as a victim to whatever happened in life.
00:35:57
Loren Lockman
And I've always encouraged my clients to take full responsibility for everything, even when they don't know how they could have created it. I mean, I've created some, some, you know, based on that idea, I've created some pretty ugly stuff in my life, right? Things, people like, why would I create that? I don't know. Oh, well, I mean, I think I do know at some, at some level, it's because there's this deeply embedded programming.
00:36:27
Loren Lockman
that says I'm not lovable, or there's something wrong with me. Because this is what gets embedded in us when we're a year old, you know two years old. And if we don't do the work, it's always there.
00:36:43
Loren Lockman
If we do the work, it may always be there, but we can mitigate it to some degree.
00:36:43
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:36:48
Loren Lockman
We can at least recognize it when it rears its ugly head and say, okay, that's, I feel that, but I know that's not true.
00:36:48
beyondterrain
yeah
00:36:58
Loren Lockman
as opposed to living our life from the place of that's that's the truth.
00:37:02
beyondterrain
Certainly. Yeah. You know, I share a really similar belief and I think it's a helpful one. It's certainly helped me on the path of taking the utmost responsibility for my life and things that happened.
00:37:15
beyondterrain
And, um you know, even taking a little too much responsibility, I think is not an unhelpful thing, right? Because you're really, um you're tuning into that, that, that field of, you know, you're in control of a whole lot more than, than you think.
00:37:32
beyondterrain
And, um you know, our thoughts in our mind are are very powerful.
00:37:33
Loren Lockman
Right.
00:37:35
beyondterrain
And, um you know, I think, I think it is helpful. It's it's helped me, um you know, to, to know that you know it's all written. right we've We're here for and a reason. um it's ah It's a more meaningful path. right These are the lessons that that I had to learn. and you know It's about becoming the best version of yourself.
00:37:57
beyondterrain
um the you know We had a great guest on ah Dr. Gabe Roberts and he said, it doesn't matter really how healed you are. you know your Your children will experience some sort of you know trauma, if we want to call it that. you know The same thing that you're experiencing. You can only become the best version of yourself. and you know Everyone needs to go through some sort of journey of that, like in this way. And this might be a modern world problem because, you know, we didn't necessarily see this in the ancestral age either. Um,
Historical Context of Self-Examination
00:38:28
beyondterrain
when people were living in true alignment with nature and, um, they were able to experience these big traumatic events and not have these illnesses and all that stuff. Um, any thoughts on that?
00:38:39
Loren Lockman
Well, I'm not that old. I wasn't there. I don't i don't know exactly what happened. But i mean i think I think one thing that's probably true is that most humans from you know from the beginning, from the dawn of of man, most humans that have lived until now. And and really, this has only changed in the last few decades. But up until now, until the middle of the 20th century, the baby boom generation, really the first generation where most people had the luxury of contemplating their belly buttons, thinking about their stuff.
00:39:20
Loren Lockman
Because most people in human history have been preoccupied with keeping enough food on the table, a roof of their family's head. And so the the kind of self um-examination that we know were we're capable of doing, self-inquiry,
00:39:40
Loren Lockman
It was kind of a luxury for most people. So, I mean, I don't know that they simply didn't have conflicts because they lived in nature. My guess is there's always conflict. You know, whether it was it was two dominant men that were attracted to the same woman, or if it was wanting more of the the food that was available. I mean, I don't know what it is. But my guess is that conflict may be just baked into the nature of what it is to be human.
00:40:11
Loren Lockman
And I mean, again,
00:40:16
Loren Lockman
perhaps, trust me, I wouldn't know, but perhaps once we've resolved all of our issues, you as we get closer and closer to enlightenment, well, there theoretically, there should be less and less conflict, right? But I think it's a reflection of the degree to which we're stuck. Some people, you know there's huge conflict all the time.
00:40:39
Loren Lockman
I had a young client who we'll be happy to never see again, who picked a fight with his Uber driver, because the guy wanted a dollar more than he thought he should have to pay. And like, you know, has a physical fight with this guy. Like, okay, that kind of conflict is completely unnecessary. um as As is probably true for most of what we, of what humans experience is conflict today. It's not necessary.
00:41:05
Loren Lockman
except for the fact that people are still stuck in various ways.
00:41:12
beyondterrain
Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very good. Uh, thank you for sharing that. That's, that's awesome. Um, I kind of have a little bit of a shift in conversation, but this kind of just popped into my mind.
00:41:24
beyondterrain
I want to know your thoughts on evolution for some reason.
00:41:24
Loren Lockman
yeah
00:41:28
beyondterrain
ah This might be kind of random, but I'm sure we could probably tie it into discussion too.
00:41:34
Loren Lockman
Well, it's it's an interesting topic, of course. um
00:41:43
Loren Lockman
You know, for many for many people it's an either-or, right? Either God created man and here we are, and there's been no evolution, or we we evolved from Who knows what? um And it seems clear. I mean, it's it's not evidence, but it does seem clear to me that evolution is real and that that people have adapted to their circumstances. You know, it's interesting if we look at the human digestive tract,
00:42:10
Loren Lockman
it is virtually identical to the digestive tract of chimps and bonobos except for the proportional length of the entire digestive tract and the length of the large and small intestines. Why? Well, I would say it's it probably was due to evolution as humans had access to higher and higher quality food.
00:42:37
Loren Lockman
not these days, right, for the most part. but But the point is that, you know, chimps and bonobos are forced in the months of the year without a rainiest, because they'll they'll eat almost exclusively fruit when there's enough fruit available. But in the months where there's the most rain, there's the least amount of fruit. And at that point, they to survive, they have to turn to things that are far less palatable,
00:43:02
Loren Lockman
far less easy to digest because they're much higher in fiber. And so they need a different system than we do. we We're no longer in that situation. Maybe we would have been.
00:43:14
beyondterrain
Uh, very interesting. You know, I think why I popped in my mind was, you know, this, like, um, looking at, I guess the animal model of, you know, the psychological, right? If we can even sort of draw any inferences here, you know, why it's baked into, why, kind why conflict is kind of baked into that human existence and maybe not animal. Maybe it is completely a part of the animal.
00:43:43
beyondterrain
world as well, I suppose, you know, competition and um hierarchies, things of this nature is is kind of a natural thing, maybe as more of a source of a natural form of of conflicts and traumas and things like that.
00:43:51
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:43:56
Loren Lockman
Well, I mean, it's it's an interesting question. And again, listen, I don't pretend to have any expertise around animals, um except for the two-legged ones that usually walk in my door. um But I mean, there are, for instance, there are many species where, again, fighting over over female companionship is common.
00:44:20
Loren Lockman
You know, the the fur seals come to mind. It's a very interesting dynamic. I don't know if how much you know about this, but the fur seals, they they have a relatively short mating season. All the females swim to a a particular beach. I don't know how they decide which one they're going to, ah but they all they all wind up in the same spot. And then all the males show up afterward.
00:44:44
Loren Lockman
and they spend all of their time, it's like a week I think, or maybe two, um basically fighting and ah reproducing.
00:44:58
Loren Lockman
And they're fighting for the rights to reproduce with particular females. So the males the males spend all their time, they they don't sleep. In fact, it's a fascinating thing because they, you know, this is not,
00:45:12
Loren Lockman
Well, i suppose I suppose you could call it fasting. they don't They don't take time to eat. I mean, they literally don't rest. They're they're busy fighting and um reproducing when they can. And when the the females all swim off, happily impregnated, the males, the first thing they do after this period of no food and tremendous activity. And this is not fasting to heal. This is fasting because they got better things to do. um But when the females swim away, the first thing the males do is they all lay down and sleep. They rest first. But I mean, there's an example where there's you know there's clearly conflict going on. And this this is a common thing. It doesn't happen in every species. you know and It works differently. There are species where um pairs mate for life.
00:46:05
Loren Lockman
That happens. I think it's probably less common. It's not the rule, it's the exception, but that happens. And where that's happening, there's probably far less conflict around mating. But there there may still be conflict around other things. so If you look at chimps, for instance, will kill groups of other primates that are infringing on their territory.
00:46:34
Loren Lockman
you know, because perhaps they feel like their their food is limited. And so they if monkeys come in, they'll kill the monkeys, they might eat them sometimes, but they'll kill them. And so now of course, the chimpanzees share over 98% of our DNA. um And maybe maybe it's baked into there their society as well, I don't know. You know, again, I think there are certainly species where that's not the case.
00:47:03
beyondterrain
Oh, you know, like, it seems, you know, our our more recent um civilizations have always had, you know, major conflicts, especially over territory, you know, the even the basic needs, right? um Always toyed with an idea that there's been some sort of utopian society that you know, like the ancient lost civilizations and now I probably couldn't recite any evidence for them. But you know,
00:47:30
beyondterrain
just thoughts from watching some videos on this stuff.
00:47:31
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:47:34
beyondterrain
um You know, I've thought, you know, maybe there were these, there were times, you know, before written and known history that, you know, we were living in the, uh, we were living in the societies that were much less geared towards conflict and traumas and we were more cohesive and, um, symbiotic with one another, you know, some that I've toyed with that idea.
00:47:55
beyondterrain
And, um, even like you mentioned earlier, like as we all move towards, you know, self actualization and individuation and becoming a whole integrated cells. You know, maybe we will move towards something on nature where there is less and less conflict, but, um, yeah, yeah.
00:48:10
Loren Lockman
I certainly hope so. I certainly hope so. I mean, but look at something, it's you know the the idea of the the Edenic societies you're talking about,
Challenges in Utopian Societies
00:48:22
Loren Lockman
it's a beautiful idea.
00:48:22
Loren Lockman
It's something that um I sought to create in Costa Rica.
00:48:28
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:48:28
Loren Lockman
We've run into some issues and I don't know that it's gonna happen um anytime soon. But I do know of various communities, I mean, there are some fruterian communities, for instance, that exist now. But there are many of them that existed in the past. And in most cases, and this is true, in fact, not just with fruterian communities, but if we look at
00:48:55
Loren Lockman
conscious communities in general, you know, where where people come together to cohabitate, to co-create something because they share a philosophical, religious, ah dietary, you know, whatever it might be. They have some glue that holds them together. The vast majority of these communities don't last long-term.
00:49:17
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:49:19
Loren Lockman
um And again, i you know, i think I think the reason why is because
00:49:20
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:49:24
Loren Lockman
there are people there who haven't done their own work.
00:49:30
beyondterrain
but True work.
00:49:30
Loren Lockman
And so there's, you know, I had i had clients, ah husband and wife who started a fraternity community.
00:49:31
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:49:38
Loren Lockman
And eventually after, I think around eight years or so, they left it. They're like, you know what? This isn't what we had hoped for.
00:49:48
Loren Lockman
This is what we wanted. We don't actually enjoy being here anymore because of ongoing conflict and so forth. And so, you know, again, I do believe that we're capable of evolving past that point.
00:50:03
beyondterrain
Mm hmm.
00:50:04
Loren Lockman
But the problem is it requires each of us to be able to do the work, to be you know willing to do what they need to do, what we need to do. And some people aren't willing to. Now, I mean, one you know one way to do it would be to to do your very best to
00:50:23
Loren Lockman
be as clear as possible about who people are before they they join or have some policy. I mean, most communities in fact do have policies where you have to spend two or three months living on site before you're allowed to join as a full or permanent member. It's a way to vet people. But I think even that, you know, the problem is is that most people are smart enough to portray themselves as they want to be seen for some period of time. Now it's true, eventually with enough time, you know, but you can live with someone for a year and then only then realize sometimes who they really are. Sometimes you have to go through enough challenges together to see how you interact when things are difficult. And so I think
00:51:13
Loren Lockman
although it's a great idea, it it may in fact not be long enough given the fact that most people aren't so transparent.
00:51:23
Loren Lockman
Many people, let me say, aren't so transparent.
00:51:24
beyondterrain
Yeah, many people. no i'm And I'm glad that you brought that up because I was thinking that as well.
00:51:26
Loren Lockman
Yeah.
00:51:29
beyondterrain
And um yeah, so interesting, you know, and I'm thinking back to my old Jordan Peterson days, you know, think what you want of the guy.
00:51:39
beyondterrain
but I mean, he, you know, he talked a lot about this innate hierarchy or hierarchical nature of human beings, right? And that, you know, we Like there's always a hierarchy and how, you know, as think like, as, you know, we institutionalize things and, you know, it moves towards tyranny.
00:51:56
beyondterrain
And so that power kind of goes to our heads thinking of that Stanford prison experiment stuff, you know, it's almost as though we'd have to transcend all of that as well. Right. You know, because it's, it's a complete shift in existence.
00:52:08
beyondterrain
It's not, it's not just a shift in perspective. It's, it's a way of being in a way of life. If it is a true possibility.
00:52:13
Loren Lockman
Yeah, you're you're absolutely right.
00:52:15
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:52:15
Loren Lockman
And i think I think the bottom line is we we do have to transcend all of that for for us to be able to create the kind of society that we, I'm sure, both love to live in.
00:52:21
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:52:28
Loren Lockman
And again, it's not impossible, but it's a big task because there are a lot of people walking around that are completely oblivious to the fact that they've got this deep programming.
00:52:42
Loren Lockman
They don't even know it's there. Um, they may feel the effects of it, but they're still insisting that they're going through life as a victim. Right. And what's true is that they have programming and if they were willing to be conscious enough, they could do something to counteract the programming and still live much more purposefully, much more consciously.
00:53:05
Loren Lockman
But that that's, that's obviously not happening much of the time. So.
00:53:11
beyondterrain
Mm hmm.
00:53:13
Loren Lockman
You know, maybe I'd like to believe that with enough time, we'll eventually all move closer and closer to enlightenment and it will become more possible for that to happen. Don't know if it's going to happen in my lifetime. It certainly doesn't look this way. If we look at what's going on in the outside world right now, it looks more chaotic than at any point in my lifetime so far.
00:53:39
Loren Lockman
Um, and so it it doesn't seem like everyone's on board yet. Right. You know, it seems like there are those people, uh, you know, the new world order types who are hell bent on controlling everybody else and on creating the world that best serves them.
00:53:45
beyondterrain
Yeah.
00:53:58
Loren Lockman
And unfortunately that type of thinking is the antithesis of what we're talking about. I mean, how much is enough?
00:54:09
beyondterrain
yeah
00:54:10
Loren Lockman
You know, I've already decided when I get to $800 zillion, dollars I don't need anymore.
00:54:18
beyondterrain
It's a good number, I think. yeah a Amazing.
00:54:19
Loren Lockman
yeah yeah
00:54:22
beyondterrain
Yeah.
Concluding Thoughts on Health
00:54:23
beyondterrain
Well, on that note, I think, uh, maybe we can wrap it up. It gets the final thoughts from you. Anything that you want to add to this episode, anything that you feel compelled to share.
00:54:31
Loren Lockman
Well, it depends because I've done a lot of podcasts over the last 15, 20 years. ah never want mean Usually what happens, to be honest, is people ask me the same questions over and over again. And we're usually talking about diet and fasting and things we didn't really talk much about at all. ah you know The one thing I guess I'd like to leave people with is that as we started off, or I started off by saying,
00:54:57
Loren Lockman
and We have agreed. Everything is is connected, is interconnected. you know I firmly believe if you want to be as physically healthy as possible, you have to do the emotional work. You have to do the spiritual work. You have to recognize your connection. you you know I like to think of it. I don't have a candle holder here at Tanglewood when when I'm speaking. We have on all the tables because we do these these meditations after sundown where we have these beautiful little glass candle holders in different colors. And when I'm talking about this, I'd love to do this at night when we're sitting there by candlelight. And I'll say each of us is like the candle, okay? Love, we are love in the way that the candle is light. We are love. It emanates forth in all directions. The candle doesn't decide. I'm gonna shine light over here, but not over there.
00:55:55
Loren Lockman
it emanates forth in all directions. And that's what happens. That's what people saw when Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Lao Tzu, when these more evolved humans were doing what they were doing, people could see and feel that. I don't know if you've had that experience, but I've had the experience a couple of times. Not with people that we might say were at that level, but for instance,
00:56:25
Loren Lockman
Again, you know i think what you might have him in some of his choices. But I was once, I had an audience ah with a group of people with the Dalai Lama. And I swear to you, it just felt like love was emanating from his body.
00:56:38
Loren Lockman
And the exact same experience with Thich Nhat Hanh, the Vietnamese Buddhist monk.
00:56:38
beyondterrain
Wow.
00:56:43
Loren Lockman
Amazing in both cases. So that's what we are. The problem is, you know most people don't experience others as emanating love in all directions.
00:56:55
Loren Lockman
And the reason why is because if if this were the candle holder, we're walking around believing, as I said before, I'm not lovable. I don't belong here. There's something wrong with me. I'm incapable of loving. We have all these disempowering, deeply programmed beliefs so that we don't see the true nature of what's there. In the same way that if we were to cover up the candle, there wouldn't be much light.
00:57:23
Loren Lockman
coming forth. So I think it's important for everyone to to realize that this is our true nature and that in order to to get there, it goes both ways. We can't be as physically healthy as possible unless we do that work, but we can't be as spiritually healthy as possible until we get our bodies as clean as we can.
00:57:42
Loren Lockman
invite You had mentioned to me in in the first message you sent me, hey, we'd like to talk about you know frequency.
00:57:43
beyondterrain
Absolutely.
00:57:49
Loren Lockman
Yeah, I mean, frequency is everything, right? It's about how we vibrate. um We vibrate at the highest level when we're eating the foods that belong in the body, when we're drinking water, when we're getting sunlight, when we're exposed to fresh air, when we're moving our bodies, when we are coming from a place of love, when we're coming from a place of positive emotions. All those things dramatically affect our frequency, how we're vibrating. And we can shift them because they're they're easy practices that we can do, choices we can make that have a huge impact.
00:58:23
Loren Lockman
But I think it's important for for people watching, listening to know that we can create amazing levels of health and vitality. There's nothing special about me, except that I got very sick and Unlike a lot of people who say, well, you know, this is just my life. I'm stuck. This is it. Wows me. I said, thank God I was only 23 and I wasn't, wasn't not okay. Right. If I, if I'd been my age, I'm 63 now. If it had happened now, a lot of people at 63 would go, well, I'm getting old. This is just what happens at 23. I'm like, this is not okay. Okay. I will do anything I need to do to get my health and vitality back.
00:59:05
Loren Lockman
And what happened was a ah huge realization that allowed me to see that I could go from being sicker than anyone I knew to being healthier than anyone I know. And everyone is capable of the same thing. So if you're listening to this and you're not feeling and functioning the way you want to, you can do it. And if I can help you, I'd be happy to, because that's what i that's what I've been focused on for the last nearly 40 years now.
00:59:33
beyondterrain
Well, amazing and an amazing episode. Thank you so much for coming on and and sharing everything that you you've done.
00:59:37
Loren Lockman
and for
00:59:39
beyondterrain
You know, one of the reasons why I kind of let it go this way is because you have so much amazing work out there, other podcasts, um, you know, so, um, even the social media stuff like that, you know, people can learn about that, that other stuff everywhere.
00:59:52
beyondterrain
Right. So I kind of liked that to take it in a direction that maybe the guest isn't too used to, I guess.
00:59:52
Loren Lockman
yeah You did a great job.
00:59:58
beyondterrain
And so I appreciate you saying that. And. They will appreciate that. And so now i'd I'd like to maybe share just where people can find you, how they can support you, things like that.
01:00:08
Loren Lockman
Sure. um You'll find me on most major social media. um It's laurenlockman.official. I got hacked almost two years ago and lost everything. If you know notice my YouTube channel, there's no new videos since January of 23.
01:00:28
Loren Lockman
That's why. I have a brand new YouTube channel. I've got one long-form video up and and a bunch of short videos. ah We've been putting them up for the last three or four weeks now. And I'll be doing more long-form stuff there, too. But it's laurenlockman.official on, actually, I think YouTube might be underscore official. um But Facebook, Instagram, ah TikTok, which I'm hardly even ever there, but I've got some stuff on it.
01:00:57
Loren Lockman
youtube, tanglewoodwellnesscenter.com. If you go to the website, there's a contact us button on every page. I respond to those messages myself.
01:01:09
beyondterrain
Amazing. Great. Yeah. And we'll put all the links down below, of course.
01:01:14
Loren Lockman
Great.
01:01:16
beyondterrain
Awesome. Well, Lauren, listen, I really appreciate your time. This has been a fantastic episode.
01:01:21
Loren Lockman
My pleasure. yeah Hope to see you again.
01:01:24
beyondterrain
Certainly.
01:01:24
Loren Lockman
Take care, everyone.
01:01:24
beyondterrain
Yeah. I want to thank you all for listening. You shall know that this is of course not medical advice, God forbid, and for your informational purposes only. Uh, but also remember that we're all responsible, sovereign beings, capable of thinking, criticizing, and understanding absolutely anything.
01:01:40
beyondterrain
We, the people in the greater forces are together, self-healer, self-governable, self-teachers, so much more. Make sure you reach out with your questions, criticisms, comments, concerns, whatever it is. ah Love to chat with you guys. Love to hear your thoughts on the episodes. Let me know what you think of this one. Really appreciate you guys taking the time to to listen as well. And ah you know, if you found it informative in any way, make sure to like, share, comment, subscribe, review, whatever you got to do on the platform you're on to help support us. That's really the best way to do it. Sharing is is always best. Share them with a friend, family member,
01:02:09
beyondterrain
Um, so we'll get the word out. All right, guys, remember there are two types of people in the world. Those believe they can, those believe they can't, and they are both correct. Thanks for listening, guys. Take care.