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It Is Not Enough for a Man to Know How to Ride, He Must Also Learn How to Fall
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In this episode Patrick and Andrew discuss resilience, trial and error, and the importance of learning how to fail.
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Introduction to the Podcast
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and the brave new world begins when all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins as surely as water will wet us as surely as fire will burn the gods of the coffee book headings with terror and slaughter returned
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Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener, just joining us for the first time. This show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings. And every week, we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim, and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom that's relevant today. I'm your host, Patrick Payne, and with me, as always, is my co-host, Andrew Stevens. Andrew, how are you doing, bud? Yeah, I'm doing all right. Doing all right.
Musical Adventures and Ideas
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Yeah. I just noticed on camera, you were just putting down your, your guitar, you, uh, you've learned some, you jamming a little bit today before the record. I was just, I was just, you know, waiting a few minutes for, for you to get in there. And so I just picked it up. I'd yeah. I used to play a lot and used to play a lot in, in college in particular, and not so much anymore, but I was trying to learn a new old song. Yeah. Has some, some funky tuning on it. So, so I got Google dolls fans out there.
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Learn a song, just breathe. so So yeah, maybe we should totally gonna set up a Patreon here and put our, we'll record some songs, put them up behind the paywall. There you go. Copybook headings, Jam Sesh. Jam Sesh. I played more in high school than I did in college, so I've forgotten most of it. But I was just telling you, telling Andrew off air, I literally just got new strings from my guitar that it's been sitting on my closet gathering dust for like years. And as soon as I tried like playing it, the high E breaks and I'm like, yeah, strings like older than some of my kids. I'm like, uh, it's probably time to, so I got some new strings and been messing around with a little bit, but it's fun. Yeah. I ordered some cause this, uh, the song I was working on like requires what cranking up one of the strings, like two and a half steps. And so just, just like slowly cause my, these strings got to put your safety goggles on for that one. Yeah. Yeah. I was like holding it away from me, like,
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I have my shorts on, so I'm trying to get my leg out from under it, because I don't want to get snapped on the leg. and Yeah, just so far, so good. um But it's it's inevitable. I'm going to break a string here. Yeah, i was you know it's I never play anymore, just because the whole reason I started playing, like freshman year of high school or whenever it was, is to get chicks. And I've been married for now for a long time. So I was like, well, that's pointless now. What am I doing this? I succeeded one time. So there you go. It worked. It worked.
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Anyway, all right, cool.
Exploring the Proverb: Learning to Fall
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Well, we got an interesting proverb this week. This is one I selected. yeah um It goes, it is not enough for a man to know how to ride. He must also learn how to fall. So I thought this one was kind of cool. ah Had you ever heard this one before? No, I haven't. It resonates, but I haven't heard this particular one before.
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Yeah, this one is, I guess, um let me pull it up. I think it is from, yeah, from from what I saw, I don't know if you had a chance to look at it. I kind of sent it to you kind of late. I don't know if you had a whole lot of time to look into it, but um what from the research I did, it said it comes from Roman philosopher Marcus Tullius Cicero.
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OK, so I heard conflicting stuff. The first thing I saw of it said it was like an old Native American proverb, and they may have a different a similar version to that. But I think the oldest recorded one is Cicero. So, um yeah, initial initial thoughts when I when i threw it your way.
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Yeah, it seemed ah it seemed to me, especially after our our talk with Braxton, it had like a cowboy resonance to me yeah like west and a Western, so like Native American would make sense to me. So it's kind of it's interesting that it's it goes back to Cicero and Rome, but I mean, they were very ah know cavalry-minded type of society. So I guess that makes sense. For sure. The first thing that came to mind for me was actually not riding. I wrote a little bit as a you know as a kid. It's fascinating. Speaking of Braxton, if braxton if you're listening to this, he was he texted me the other day while back and was like, oh, can you ride by the way? And I think he was going to invite me to something. And I was like, ah how hard could it be? you know Like, yeah, sure. like Let me come along. Whatever whatever adventure you're going on, man. like yeah Heck yeah, I can ride. But no, I'm not great. I rode a little bit as a kid, and um
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and but I haven't forever. i'm not I wouldn't say I'm experienced horseman or whatever. but so So horses weren't the first thing that came to mind despite this being a you know referencing that.
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it was The first thing that came to mind was was martial arts, since I have a little bit more experience than that. ah When I first started with in Judo, they don't teach you a throw. They teach you break falls. That's the first thing they teach teach you, because when you're starting, you're going to get thrown a lot more than you're going to throw. Right.
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So the first thing you need to learn is how not to land on your head, how not to you know hurt yourself when people are throwing you onto the mat. so yeah um And they do a lot of break falls. First, it's you know just standing or sometimes it's like literally even squatting down, falling on your back, you know slowly working your way up.
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And then it's crazy how, you know, it wasn't very long. Maybe I'd been doing it three, four months when some upper belt really launched me. I mean, in' some big shoulder throw, you know, threw me over and I went so soaring through the air and just instinctively slapped my arm down on the mat and did it. And the coaches like, hey, you know, good, good break fall there, Patrick. And I'm like, look, thanks.
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would have been better to be the guy doing the good throw, but hey, I'll take the good break fall. So, but yeah, that's the first thing that I thought of is always more important to learn how to fall before you learn how to ride. Yeah. And, um, you know, it, it also reminds me of, um, the way I learned to ride a bike, ah um, where, uh, without training wheels and just kind of, um,
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you know, ah ah start halfway down the street, you know, dad holding onto the back of the seat and you start pedaling and you pedal pedal and he just lets go. Yeah. And you got to, and, um, you know, you learn to ride first, I guess technically, but, uh, but real soon after that, you're learning how to fall because you don't know how to stop it. And for me, it was going far enough to get to my house, to my yard.
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where I could go into the grass and then fall over sideways into the grass. yeah the first The first lesson really was was falling over and and ah stopping safely or at least not catastrophically.
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Yeah, I had a I was out with some friends one time in college and it was like, they were gonna, you know, they were gonna take some long boards and go down this big hill. And I'd skated a little bit in high school, I never really longboarded, but I'd done, you know, other sort of skateboarding. And so they're like, hey, you want to come? And I'm like, sure.
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So a couple of them do it, and they hand me a board, and you're like, all right, ready to go. And and they had a car like going behind us, like recording us so we could get it on film. I wish I had the footage. It would be funny. But anyway, I'm like screaming down this hill. This hill's massive. And I start getting the speed wobbles. you know I'm starting about to lose control of the board. Oh, no. And so I know I'm going down. And I'm not wearing any gear. I don't have anything on.
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And um so I'm like, okay, I'm just going to swerve to the side of the road and target that grassy front yard. And so I i go over, um I go like up this guy's driveway. By that time the board gets out from under me, i I remember taking like one big step on the concrete and then I hit the grass and I'm like, yes, but I was going so fast. I slid completely across the guy's driveway and hit the next driveway and just mangled, you know, skin me up like I was like, man, hit it perfect. I was just going so fast. I just slid right across the grass. So, ah yeah, I learned how to fall that day. Yeah.
Failures as Stepping Stones to Success
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um This I mean, I think it's kind of an important lesson to learn. like Really, in anything you do, in any kind of sport, really the first thing you're going to learn is how to fail. like The first time you take a basketball and try to put it through a hoop, the first thing you're going to learn is how you not to make a basket because you're going to miss the first time you do it. and The first you know it's first time you try to enter a competition, probably you're probably going to lose. I mean, you could you could get lucky and do but at some point you're gonna learn lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, oh, win, lose, lose, lose, win, and then win, win, you know, and then slowly and but surely there's the guy standing on the podium in the Olympics getting the gold medal. um So I think this is more, this is pretty broadly applicable in that you really are going to experience a failure first long before you achieve some sort of great success. Yeah.
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Um, this, this actually, it also had me, it made me think about you, um, when it comes to like career and, and, um, and your endeavors like i sales in particular, right? There's a lot of yeah there's a lot of failure in sales um and and and falling in um and the the risks involved in that and jump into new endeavors, new and businesses, just kind of, you feel good about it and you go for it. yeah um So like, did you think about that as far as how this one applies to career or or things like that?
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No, actually I hadn't, that hadn't come to mind, but you're, you're totally right. Yep. Absolutely. That's, I mean, maybe not everyone's career path falls that way. Some people kind of slow, but steady march forward. I mean, not that they won't experience setbacks. Everyone will and trying to learn new things. And, but, but yeah, with, with sales for sure. I mean, the first time you make a cold call, you're scared. You don't know what to say. Um, you know, the first time you.
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walk into an office building to talk, try to get past the secretary for some, you knock on a door for some, you pick up a call called phone to make a call. I mean, yeah, you're you're going to get some failure. You're going to get some rejection and, and then slowly you kind of just learn over time.
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I was talking to a friend of mine recently who is um had tried sales and wasn't really for him. and and i was just kind of giving him He was like, well, how I didn't wasn't great at sales, so I stopped and went to a different field. like how did you How did you succeed or how did you do it? or and I just was giving him a little bit of advice and it kind of surprised me how many little teeny tips and tricks and pointers I had for him because I was like, I don't know. I just sell, I guess. But then I'm like, ah as soon as I started breaking it down, I'm like, oh yeah, there's like a lot of little things you learn over time. And each one of those advice pieces of advice I was given him, either A, I learned the hard way by doing it wrong a bunch of times and then having to figure it out. Or I just stole it from somebody else. It was more experienced who had done it that way. you know so so But yeah, it's 100%. It's trial and error, like a lot of things. so
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How about you? Was your career at all that way or or what was it different? No, no. i am I've always played it safe and and just kind of worked my connections. like ah I don't think I've really ever had a ah job where I've had to go through the whole process of like,
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You know, the guys who are sending out, you know, filling out a dozen applications a day and sending out resumes everywhere. Like it was always like, Oh, my friend has this job. Oh, we're hiring. I'll put in a good word. And, or my current role, my sister started the company and I was, you know, employee number.
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number two, I guess so the third person in there. So like, you know, just kind of um connections and and things like that. So I haven't made those kind of leaps and the older I get the less comfortable I am with the the prospect of it and the more I admire people who do it.
Learning Through Experience
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So Yeah, i've I've done it both ways. i It's much more common, I think, to get it get the job your way, or at least more reliable, I think. So when you can do the connections, it's better. But i've i've you know this job that I have now is one of the few times that I didn't have any connections. It was just ah was just sending out a resume because I was looking for something new. ah but So that can happen, and it can be successful. But almost all of the jobs I've gotten in my life have been. I knew someone. Someone put in a good word for me, yeah just like what you said. So so yeah, for sure.
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But I will say, though, like part of what goes with that is that the since I got a job through people who know me and know my abilities, I ah might not have been the best suited for that particular role. And so I did a lot of learning in the role. Oh yeah. Like I do technical writing now and I was not a technical writer when I started. um I had decent writing chops, which, uh, which my sister knew, but, uh, she had to teach me how to do it. And a lot of that was,
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by example say hey here's this type of document we need here's an example of one go write this new one in that style and um and so there was there's definitely some trial and error along the way there was failure along the way um and maybe Maybe the way that plays out with our our proverb here, maybe the fall learning to fall is learning to ah to to finesse the customer and to to placate the customer and and that side of the soft skill side of the job so that you can have time to develop the the hard skills.
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Oh, I think so 100%. I'd say that's one of my one of my stronger skills is just being able to be authentic with a customer and be like, hey, I know you asked me to do this and I screwed up and I'm new here in this role, or maybe I'm not new, but i you know, and this is what I did. And that's why this was delayed getting to, I'm sorry, that's on me. And then yeah here's what I did to fix it. And um I feel like I've gotten strong with that because I've had to do so many new jobs. I've tried and failed so many times. I've really just had to get good at being like, look,
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you know I'm not perfect, I'm um' doing my best here to help you. And in when you're genuine and open and accept responsibility, usually, I'd say, I can't remember anytime, almost always, the customers are pretty receptive to that. And they understand that nobody's perfect, but this guy's guy trying his best and and and cares. you know if If you care, I think that that makes a huge difference and people can pick up on that. If you usually go whatever, you know people pick up on that too.
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Um, right before we came here, I, so I, I do a little bit of, um, I'm in the, on the volunteer fire department here in town. I think I mentioned that, uh, we were just at a fire like just a couple hours ago and I just got back. Um,
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I probably smell like smoke. But yeah we were there was a car, it was caught fire, and we were there putting it out. And man, it's it's intimidating. we were it's It's summer, and and we're a tiny town, so we're pretty much an all-volunteer force. And so almost everybody was on vacation. There was only four of us that showed up.
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And I almost didn't, because I'm like, oh, you know, I've got this thing going on. There's probably be other people, but I'm glad I did didn't, because there weren't very many. But man, it's intimidating. You go up to that fire engine, and there's all these buttons and switches and knobs and levers and all this stuff. And you're like, dang, which which one do I turn? How do I get the water from the tank to the hose to the, you know, out of the hydrant to refill the tank? You know, all this stuff. And um luckily, there's guys who are experienced there. But I mean, there's there's just no way to,
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get all of that in the little bit of training they give you. yeah you know like I'm certified. I have been through some training, but like it's not enough to teach you everything. You really just have to go and do it. And then the experienced guy will be like, hey, connect that to that. No, turn that the other way. you know Do this. and and then And then slowly you're like, oh, I can think of probably half dozen things that I learned just on this call. We were there a couple hours. And um and yeah, you you you you learn real quick. You fall. And then that's OK. You did it wrong.
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It's more important to keep your composure, fix it, and then and then keep going. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think um thinking back to like when I was a teenager, my my friends and I were really into rollerblading. This was the 90s, folks. Heck yeah. It wasn't just skateboarding. that there's There was a time when people did rollerblading. The good old days. Doing all the cool tricks and stuff at the skate park. and um yeah We'd go like every Saturday. Before we had our licenses, we'd hop on the bus, drive in that you know ticketck get to the next town over. They had the skate park and and spend the morning doing that. and and ah I think definitely the my friends were were bigger risk takers. They're they're more willing to to to learn to fall and and take the bruises and stuff, and they got a lot better than I did.
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Um, cause I was, I was more timid at it and I just wanted to, I was staying where my comfort zone. And so it was a really pretty stark example of, um, of this principle and that you get a lot better if you're willing to take those bumps and in whatever, you know, endeavor you've got, um, that you need to be willing to to fall and and get back up.
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In your defense, you're a big guy. I always wondered, like I had some big friends, like even when they fell, it was like, oh, you know, with me, I was always kind of smaller. I'd fall down and be like, yeah, I'm all right. You know, like massive inertia matters. Believe it or not. So I'm 6'2", maybe 6'1 by now, but at the end of high school, I was 6'2". I weighed half of what I weigh now. I weighed like 140. So I was just like real thin.
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like underweight, according to the doctor. Okay. So you can kind of readjust your, readjust your picture of a team named Andrew. There we go. Yeah. All right. Fair enough. Yeah. I didn't know you were six too. You seem bigger. I don't know if it's just the broad shoulders and the big beard now, but like you just seem big. That's probably it. Yeah. I was going to say something that I forgot.
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Oh, we had to i was just still a completely off the topic thing. we We didn't have a skateboard near skate skate park near us back in the 90s, but we did have this. There was ah an actual like ah roller hockey rink. It was just like this. It looked like it was a repurposed tennis court, but it had two nets and it was fenced ah along the goal line or the baselines. right So we could actually like check each other into the chain link fence. It was so fun. It was the best.
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Yeah, be we had we had that not that not that as good a setup boat. Similar where we play on the street, played street roller hockey, and they're along one of the sides of the street was a good chain-link fence for that. Yeah. A lot of fun. You could you kids nowadays don't know about rollerblading. It was fun. I don't care if you guys think it was dorky. It was cool. um But I mean, yeah, for for sure, along with this proverb, anything like that, um you're going to learn to fall
The Necessity of Failure for Growth
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first. and And that's gonna be a stepping stone to your success probably I would say and
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I want to kind of point out that you know along the way you'll fall, but but this this proverb says, it's not enough for a man to know how to ride. So that's kind of interesting because it it almost like implies like maybe you could learn how to ride, playing it safe, and never learning how to fall. But it's important that the man knows both. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's for when you hit those setbacks. Because if you'd never you'd never fallen off, if you you know, ridden for 20 years and you've never fallen off the first, you know, first time you did one, like kind of like with your, your judo experience. If you never learned how you're going to hurt yourself, um, you know, so in the physical sense, but you know, in the more metaphorical sense, if you've never had a setback before, it can be devastating. Um, I'm sure you've seen it in people who've had pretty you know charmed lives and they, they hit it. Yeah.
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had a setback and it just really knocks them out. And just because they never really had to practice that. Yeah. Did you ever see that movie Moneyball with Brad Pitt? Yeah, yeah. That was a pretty good movie. Before I ever saw that movie, I read something about his character, Billy Bean. I think it was like a, might've been like a Malcolm Gladwell book or something. Maybe I'm totally off on that. But anyway, some book mentions Billy Bean and no, it wasn't. It was, I think it was this book, Grit.
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by Angela Duckworth. you ever read That was fairly popular a while back. Sounds familiar. I don't think I've read it. I think that's where it was. But anyway, we talked about Billy Bean and basically how he was a natural. And um naturals can struggle in the big leagues. Because in this author's opinion, I don't know if there's other and you know ah theories for why this is the case. But in her opinion, it was because they lacked the ability to or they're not as strong at picking themselves up and dusting themselves off because they've just been better than everybody at every stage until they get to the big leagues where everyone's as good as them and then it's like oh this is tough like this is really hard and mentally it's hard on them and and they just
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have a tendency to fall apart. And that's kind of what happened ah to him. um He didn't do well. I mean, he did it well at every single level and was like a first round pick. And in the movie, he had this like analytics guy, for those of you who haven't seen the movie, he was who's ah trying to figure out how to make his team win. And he meets this kind of geeky analytics dude and was like, would you have picked me in the first round? And the kid didn't want to answer, didn't want to hurt his feelings, you know? And then he's like, I would have picked you in the seventh round or something. Oh man, like this is the kid I need. ah you know He's not picking me based on some fuzzy ah you know in intuition intuition or something. specific He knows the facts. So anyway, that's what made me think about that is kids who don't learn how to fail, ah it can come back and bite them. Yeah. and it happens That made me think of it. It happens academically too, right? We're the smartest kid in the
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in the class or even in the high school once they get off to to college where everyone else was that kid too. yeah And you're you're suddenly in a different environment and you're no longer with the big dog. Totally, totally. um So this is typically the time when we talk about the society, how society feels about the gods, of the the marketplace.
Society's Take on Success and Failure
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um With this one,
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um I'm struggling to figure out how I feel about this if I think that society kind of respects this general principle or if they don't. I kind of want to say that they don't, but I'm curious to know what you think just because I i um
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I don't know. People seem to celebrate these overnight successes, right? yeah Someone will work for 20 years and then they wake up and they're an overnight success. It's like, yeah, okay. You know what I mean? But ah but anyway, yeah, I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, people like the overnight successes and they like to to throw away the one-time failures too. And I think that um Oh, maybe that just makes it harder for that person who suddenly was in the spotlight and then is gone. Like maybe it's harder to to recover from that, but I think still, ah still people like, they like a comeback. They like a comeback story. They like people who, who have that grit and and stick to it. Um, so I think overall, I think it's, um,
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I think it's valued for the most part. In the in the most um you know ephemeral of of pop culture, no, probably not, but I think more generally people do. um like ah Just since we're you know Olympics are going on, we're talking about that a little bit. The steeplechase guy who who went to BYU, my alma mater,
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He um got silver, I think, ah today in in that event. But last year, he was going for the national title in in the US. And he fell. And so he was in the last place because he tripped on and an obstacle. And he came from behind to win the national championship. And and those are really, like, people loved that. I went and rewatched it today after he got silver because it was such a good story and such a a motivating thing that, um and he had, he he in his interview after that race, he he said, he played that out in his mind, that like, if I fall, okay, here's my strategy, this is what I'm gonna do, like he gamed it out. but And and you know that's ah that's that's a good lesson right there, like to have yeah to have that mental picture of, okay, when I do fail, when I do fall, what's what am i going to do what are my steps to get back in the game?
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Yeah, that's huge, actually. That's a really good point, man, because um as the as the saying goes, it says, It's not enough for a man to know how to write. He must also learn how to fail or learn how to fall. And like I was mentioning in judo that you have to practice learning how to fall over and over and over. And this guy, he might not have gone out and intentionally, you know, tie his shoes together to trip, but, but he was at least mentally gaming it, right? Preparing, okay, if I fall, this is what I'm going to do. That's, that's preparation. He's learning how to fall and how to get back up and and recover. and And then there you go. The medalist.
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That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah. So as far as like, you know, do people value this? I think so. I think people like, um, I mean, no one really likes to, no one likes to practice the falling part, but I think everyone appreciates, everyone knows that it's, it's important. Like I don't, I don't do this as well as I should. Um, and I think it's probably held me back, um, from, from some things that,
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in life some opportunities. um So I think it's a good thing to teach young to to get kids experience with with falling and and mentally preparing to get back up.
Personal Stories and Reflections on Failure
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Yeah, my um my oldest son was a little bit of a natural when he started jujitsu. he I mean, I was just watching a video I took of him on his first day. We what took a took we went to the like the trial class. This was a few years ago.
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and he very nearly arm bars this kid was like two bar two belts above him and he'd never been taught an arm bar he'd just seen it done on videos or something there is you know he'd done a little judo so there are arm bars in judo but they don't teach him to the kids so he'd seen older kids do it and it's not that complicated you you get the mechanics of it and he almost tapped this kid who's bigger and two belts up like man dang his kids he's just got that natural aggression well Anyway, so he was just right out of the back good at it. And I remember the first tournament where he got silver because his first tournament he got gold and then he he was just winning tournaments. And the first one he got silver. Man, it was so tough for him. It was just like way harder than the son younger than him who'd gotten a couple of silvers along the way. You know, like he it was it was like the world was crashing down on him because he'd never experienced
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you know, standing there on the podium knot on the top, and it's tough. Yeah. But um but yeah, man, i i I think it was super valuable for him to do it. I think that he probably learned more in that one silver medal than any gold he got, I would imagine. Yeah. The golds are important to to know what it feels like and to want to want to get back there, but, man, there's nothing quite as educational as a loss.
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Yep. That keeps you hungry, right? like For sure. Yeah. And yeah, like you said, hungry, not not wanting to take take anything for granted and being able to come come back and do it. So yeah, man, I i don't know. i I'm glad if I stumbled across this one. I like it. that's good Whether it be Cicero or so some Native American tribe that's had the same kind of concept, I don't know, but whoever it was, I think it was a good one.
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um ah Do you think there's any ways that we can kind of practice falling in our lives, potentially like that Olympian did? Yeah, I think just...
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You know, a good place to do it is in is in your hobbies, for example. um And it doesn't even have to, it doesn't have to be big. Like if you like to draw or paint, just do it more because you're going to like, that's, that's the the mindset problem I have is like, Oh, I don't want to, I don't want to draw unless I'm going to do it well. You know?
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But you don't get better if you just do a lot and you screw up and you see how you screwed up and you don't do it again. But like I want it to be perfect that first time. So just get out there, do the reps, make the mistakes, um throw throw away the ones you don't like and just keep it you know low stakes with your hobbies. I think it's a good place to stretch those muscles and then you can take it to other places in your life where it can have a big impact.
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I love it. So are you going to be signing up for a ah you know talent show or something jamming on your guitar here soon? and playing the Yeah, I'll pick that back up and try and...
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try and fail a bit with my guitar and... Love it. Yeah. I'll do the same. Well, hey, guys, thanks so much for listening. Thanks, Andrew. This is a good one and I appreciate it. Remember, it's not enough for a man to know how to ride. He must also learn how to fall. Thanks, guys. We'll ah see you guys next week. All right, we'll see you. Bye. There are only four things certain since social progress
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that after this is accomplished and the brave new world begins when all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sin as surely as water will wet us as surely as fire will burn the gods of the copy of hideous with terrors or tortures