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The Sins of the Fathers are Visited Upon the Children
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In this episode Patrick and Andrew discuss how actions by parents impact future generations, the generational rivalries and resentments between boomers and gen z, and how to avoid sins that negatively impact your children.
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Introduction and Host Greetings
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and the brave new world begin begins.
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When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter. eternal
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Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
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And every week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim, and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom to these old proverbs that's relevant today. I am your host, Patrick Payne, and with me, as always, is my co-host, Andrew Stevens.
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Andrew, how are you, man? I am doing all right.
Andrew's National Parks Adventure
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I'll bet you are. You just ah had an awesome, epic trip, it seems like. Yeah, I'm relaxed.
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Not moisturized, because it was pretty dry where I was. but Are you in your lane, is the question. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. yeah um ah ah Yeah, we we did a ah five national park road trip.
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um And ah for for those listeners outside the West, it's not quite as impressive as maybe it sounds because we've got a lot of good parks in proximity. But, you know, it was, I think, over 1,500 miles around you know for the whole trip in the car. And um yeah, it was a lot of fun. We started...
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ah down at Canyonlands and there's a state park nearby called dead horse point state park and really great. That's um since we love our listeners, that's my little tip for you.
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ah The Utah state parks are really good and not, not super busy and always often really close to national parks. So you're getting a lot of really cool stuff that, that without the crowds. so Yeah, we started there. We hit we did Canyonlands, Arches, stayed Moab a couple nights and and did those parks there and then drove to Mesa Verde and stayed a couple nights there.
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And we were fortunate. We got... There's kind of like two main areas in that park. One of them, I guess, has been closed for a couple of years for renovations and we were there opening day. So we were back. Nice. First group, like maybe the second tour of one of these cave dwellings that hasn't been toured and in a few years.
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And yeah, there was a bit of coyote poop in there, you know, that hasn't been cleaned out yet and stuff. I mean, you got there right when it opened.
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Yeah, i didn't even I didn't even realize it when I was scheduling. i would have I'm glad because I would have been pretty disappointed if we could only see half the park, but it really worked out nicely and got to tour those those dwellings and the and the cliffs. That was really cool.
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um And then we went out to the Great Sand Dunes. And that was an interesting place, interesting area of Colorado. ah but no Nobody broke their coccyx?
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No. no one Hopefully. Fortunately. That's good. Dunes can be dangerous. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you there's there's in the spring, um there's a creek that runs in front of the dunes. And so you can kind of, it's like going to the beach. Well, that's cool. bro We brought the sand toys and the kids you know made sand castles there and that was a lot of fun. And then the last park we went to on the way out was a black Canyon of the Gunnison.
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And that was, um, you know, a lot of these parks, like it's, it's for the view. Cause you're over ah like at the edge of these canyons and stuff. So basically you drive from viewpoint to viewpoint and that's kind of it. There's not a ton of like hiking and stuff you're really doing. So that was kind of like a half day one. And,
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And we just ended, that was our our last one and drove home the next day. But everyone survived and then everyone was nodding each other's throats. And we were really worried because it'd be like, is it was the longest time that we've been together, like in close quarters as a whole family.
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yeah You know, without, without a break for work or without grandparents helping out. So yeah, it was a good experiment. It was lot of fun. So that's, it sounds
Travel Tips and Family Travel Challenges
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awesome. It's kind of what I was going to ask is it seems like it was just ah like, were the kids okay? Like on the parks where there wasn't much to do, if it was just kind of driving and looking at stuff. I mean, they're, and know they're young. Were they like, this is boring. We hate it.
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i want the iPad or were they okay? Yeah. We did have the tablets cause there was some of that. And yeah, especially towards the end, you the, the Gunnison won the, the, The three-year-old, think, got a little traumatized by the wind at the sand dunes because it was pretty windy and it's kicking sand in our eyes. And so she did not want to get out of the car. So she hung back.
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and We took turns, some you know my wife and I, out on going out to some of the viewpoints. But yeah, theres there was a little bit of that. I tried to space it out so our travel days weren't too long, you know three, four hours max ah on a travel day. And we would stop it at city parks know and in these little towns.
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Sure. you know Stop in Durango, do some laundry, go to ah go to a park. And ah yeah yeah, basically everywhere we went, we went in Moab, we were there three days, we went to the park three days.
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So lots of playgrounds and and and they handle it pretty well. Playgrounds and swimming pools are the the key. Nice. That's good to know. Did you guys bring the dog?
Patrick's Theme Park Frustration
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No.
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those That was also probably made it a lot easier. wise but he went to He went to the kennel. He loves playing with the other dogs. So everyone got to have a good time. Nice.
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Well, hey, that sounds like a good time, man. I'm glad you guys were able to do it. I know, I mean, in a lot of those places i haven't I haven't even heard of, so I'm like, I need to put some of those on my list. Yeah, I think like two of them, and I know ah sand dunes in particular, it's been like a protected area for like 100 years, but only a national park since after 2000. And that's kind of the last time, like when I was in high school, I've been into the parks. And so anything that happened after that,
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I might've spaced on one that actually became a park. So that's one I was like, I don't remember this one at all. And so yeah that's why it just got kind of upgraded from a recreation area to a park.
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Cool. Well, for those of you who follow me on know I'm a big respecter of public lands and parks and states. So ah ah yeah, I love it. That's awesome, man. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate your posting about that too, getting little feisty with our senators. and I like it. so ah Yeah.
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Well, you know if I think ah it's... yeahby I'm so noticing a shift in some of the posts that some of these people are posting and the comments or have shifted from maybe 50-50 positive to negative to mostly negative about...
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yeah you know, selling off public land. So I'm like, I think this is a good shift. and And politicians do listen when, when people, I mean, if it's something that's wildly unpopular, they may take a step back and just be like, all right, nevermind, you know? So yeah.
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Yeah. So a good thing. Cool, man. I'm glad you're ah able to get out there. and Enjoy it. Um, should we jump into the proverb then? i didn't do anything exciting. So, so I don't have anything to report. Yeah. We all have some the next didn't do anything big for the for the holiday or anything? For Memorial Day? or Oh, yeah, that's not true. Yes, we did. We went down to... We went to um went to Lagoon.
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We took a trip down to Utah and went to the theme park there. And there were... there were The customer service rep was really rude to us and I wasn't happy about it.
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Oh no. So, all right, I'll tell the story. Okay. So we, uh, we get in the car, we're ready to go. We pull out the tickets. We're like, everyone ready? It's a two hour drive from where we are. Yeah.
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And we look at the tickets and it's the wrong day. Like it was supposed to be, so we went on the, it was like two days later. Oh, the date. We're like, Oh shoot. We got it mixed up. You know I take the day off work. There's all this stuff.
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And, um, And then, uh, so we're like, well, let's just call them and see if it's cool if we switch the tickets when we get there. You know? So we call the customer service. Like, yeah, no sweat. You just have, if there's a difference in price, you just have to pay the difference.
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I'm like, man, all right, no problem. We drive two hours there and then we get there and the customer service plate people are like, no, we can't do that. Yeah. ah Are you serious? They're like, yeah.
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We're like, well, what should we do? They're like, I don't go home. But we drove here for two hours. And then we're like, ah you know, we, ah you know, you told us this. And then the lady was like, well, I didn't tell you that.
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like Okay, but like someone has take responsibility for like you guys just lying to us. you're like well, that's a totally different department. Okay. It was just a very bad customer service experience. So then i went back and I was like, well, they told us we have to leave. And then we were like, well what if we just got in line and just handed them the tickets for the wrong day and see what happens?
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And then they just let us in.
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So after they were all rude to us for nothing, we were like, man well, forget you guys. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. The, ah the ticket. It's, it's interesting what, ah what people care about what things, right. In different, cause the, the ticket taker,
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We would also be saying, Hey, that's not my department. I don't care if it's the wrong day. Right. Yeah. It doesn't matter to me. Maybe the apathy throughout that organization helped us in that regard. Yeah. Yeah.
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But anyway, if there's any ah Lagoon people listening, like seriously, your people are doing customer services subpar. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Well, ah yeah. Proverb
Main Topic Introduction: Proverb Discussion
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this week. That's what with this ah podcast is about.
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Okay. So this one I picked and it's a biblical one. Yep. And it is ah the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children. Yeah.
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Since it's scriptural, I imagine you've heard this one. I have. What did you think about it? But I cannot, I'll be honest. I can't remember what, you know, chapter and verse here.
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That's okay.
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But yeah, it's ah this one. ah It's, it's, I guess it's interesting that it's, that it's biblical. ah i mean, it,
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It rings true. And um I think obviously so. So and it's interesting that that's kind of the the origin for it rather than maybe being um one of those that's kind of like pops up in every kind of culture, right?
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But it comes just through this tradition, i think is interesting. Maybe there are some others, other cultures out there that have this, a similar one, but I think it's,
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it's true and it's something that I see in my life and, and try and be aware of, I guess. So yeah, can get into details as we go here, but yeah, it's kind of, yeah.
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Yeah. This one, ah reminded me of, you know, you'll see, you know, we talk about, uh, you know, social problems that exist in various cities or places or whatever. and And they talk a lot about cycles, you know?
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yeah Like there's this there's this cycle. And then, you know, some young man usually gets gets in trouble with the law. They get arrested. Maybe they're in and out of jail.
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Then there they get when they're incarcerated, their kid is raised with no dad. Then he grows up, gets in trouble, suspended from school, starts getting in trouble with the law, gets arrested.
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He's in prison. The cycle continues and continues. that that That was the first thing that popped in my head when I heard this one.
Generational Impact and Responsibility Discussion
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Yeah. Yeah. And that's a great example. These cycles that you're...
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the cycles that you're that you are in and often are, don't have a lot of power to control, right? You, there's nothing you can do about, the, the generation that came before you, the one that raised you.
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That's, that's done. That's in the past. It's only about what you can do going forward. Um, which, which makes this one really an interesting one because it's, it's a multi-generational one. This is like the,
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you know planting trees that the shade of which you won't get to enjoy, right? It's it's totally it's a forward thinking one. um But also there's there's some bitterness too to it with, you know, you you got dealt a bad deal, like that kid who grew up with it without a dad, like nothing he did was like, he was not responsible for any of that, any of those bad outcomes. And yet he has to deal with it yep and and either get sucked into that that cycle or fight against it, you know, swim against it.
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So, yeah, I think you're exactly right. And, and you were, pardon me. um Um, uh, you mentioned the generations. That's like a big thing that's talked about nowadays, right? Like yeah the boom the boomer screwed us over the, you know, the kids will say that. And then the, the old people be like, well, the kids nowadays are lazy and dumb or, or, or whatever. Yeah. And, um,
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but But I mean, there's there's some truth to, you know, the young and generation does inherit the the country that, you know, the older people left them. That's that's a fact. yeah um So you mentioned, you touched on two pieces there, which I think are or are interesting because number one,
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That's a hundred percent true. Like you can't like, sorry, boomers. There's no way to know ah two ways about it. Like the country that we have was, was left to you to us by you. So for better for worse. Right.
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Right. That, that being said, there's also that personal responsibility where I feel like sometimes the younger generation harp on that so much. It's like, okay, well, what are you going to do about it? You know, like you can whine about it. And even if it's totally true and if the housing market sucks or the, whatever this says, this is wrong or the national debt, blah, blah, blah, all the things that previous generations may have caused, what are you going to do about it?
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You know? So there's only, us you know, pointing it out as one thing, but harping on it and whining about it is less ah productive. Yeah. Yeah. There's a,
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Yeah, it there's there's a ah great tendency just to want to throw your hands up and say, but someone else screwed it up. What am I going to do? I can't do anything about it, but you have to.
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You have to do something with it. yeah So you got to figure out to make the best of the situation. And and it and it's depressing when the best of your situation and you can see clearly is not going to be as good as...
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as the previous generations. It's a hard pill to swallow for sure. It is a hard. Yeah, definitely. And that's, that's one that I think I'm butting up against these days is like, Oh, that's just kind of discouraging, you know, like the, the, what you expect out of, of middle age, you know, you don't, uh, is not, is not what, uh, I saw growing up for minute Really? How so? Tell me more about that.
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I'm curious. Oh, I don't know. Just, ah You know, there's that, I think it goes around a lot online, the kind of that, that brass ring of the, the hundred thousand dollar, um, salary, right? Oh yeah. i was For the longest time, like.
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you know for our parents' generation, that was, that's what you were shooting for. That's, you made it, right? You made it if you make six figures. um And now it's what, like 250? two fifty Oh yeah. It's maybe like that, the equivalent. I'm like, oh man, I'm never going to get there.
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So it's like, it's just, just frustrating. Yeah, it it is for sure. Yeah, I think you're about right with those numbers. It seems like a quarter million is the new six figures, which is like you said, yeah that's a lofty number it seems like.
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and And I remember that's, you know, growing up you thought six figures was a lot of money and then you're like, oh wait, that's yeah barely covers it for a family these days. And things are expensive.
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Yeah, it's but I mean, it's better than having less for sure. but For sure, for sure. But But I don't know how people do it on much less, honestly. Like you said, with the family, it it doesn't go as far.
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It for sure doesn't. And I, in in and I definitely feel for the younger generation, especially when it comes to housing, that's a rough, that's a rough situation. I see the prices of these quote unquote starter homes. it's like, Holy smokes. Like I'm thinking back to how much money I made when I was, you know, 27, 28, I'm like, there's no way I would have been able to afford anything like that.
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um Yeah. That's another, that's another one for me too. Like feel like we got in just right at the tail end of when it was good to get into a house yeahp um with prices and interest rates. it was It felt expensive at the time, but the interest rates were great.
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And then now everything is is is steep. And so it's like, well, we're just going to have to be here for a while, right? Like yeah there's no there's no upgrading, there's no changing without taking a huge hit.
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And so feeling like
Housing Market Challenges for Younger Generations
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you're kind of stuck. And once again, like we're very fortunate because we have the house, And, you know, we have that some amount of equity to to fight against the, those price hikes that other people are helpless against. And I've, you know, I've run into guys, I've been running into guys like at ah the park, at the bookstore, people, guys who have young kids ah like mine or or a little younger, sometimes they have like a newborn and we'll be chatting and they they give me like the,
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it eventually gets to like kind of a entrepreneur pitch kind of phase, right? They're trying to like get me in on whatever they're doing. But, yeah but, it but I think it's, it's mostly coming from this anxiety that they aren't going to be able to give their kids, you know, what they had, you know, they're young, young dads and they want, they want to be in a better situation. Like they, they are not going to be able to buy a house for a while.
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yeah They're renting or living with family and how frustrating that must be. So you know i'm fortunate and that I'm fortunate in that regard, but um it's a it's hard to see and when smart smart, talented, hardworking people can can't get ahead.
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Yeah, for sure. And Utah, especially, because it are dont don't you isn't isn't it like the worst, ah like pretty much housing market in the country, isn't the property value is like the highest anywhere?
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ah Yeah, I believe it. You know, i don't know if maybe some part, maybe California still is is crazy, but um certainly like if we're going like a percentage change in the past decade or whatever, I believe it for Utah.
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It's not just spiked. Yeah. um Well, okay. So let me play devil's advocate here and defend the boomers a little bit. Okay. Because- We love our boomers. and We love our boomers.
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um ah People will criticize and say, oh, my, you know, with these housing prices and blah, blah, blah, it's not going to be as good as my parents had it. But sometimes I think a lot of those people aren't completely aware of how the, they're like, oh, they bought their house for 50 cents and now it's worth a million.
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It's like, well- Well, hang on, go back and look at like the interest rates in 1982, you know, like, yeah, the houses were quote unquote cheap, but like they, they felt the exact same way.
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Like we just can't afford anything. And so over maybe maybe, maybe you need to zoom back and look over the course of, cause I didn't buy my first house until I was in my thirties. I mean, I wasn't, it wasn't, I wasn't, uh,
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I wasn't like, you know, 25 years old buying a house. And so, um and I'm a millennial. So, I mean, part of me is like, okay, well, if you just zoom out and look at the macro, you know, you're like, I don't have any money. It's like, okay, but people who've invested their whole lives versus someone who's just starting, it's it's always different. There's ups and downs and and you might catch a wave 20 years from now that, you know, ups your your net worth. You know what i mean? so So that's kind of that perspective.
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Yeah, there's, yeah, there's, you don't want to get caught up too much in, in the fatalism of the moment, right? Like you need some perspective. to put its Yeah. And that is something that the older generations have. They do have that perspective.
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um So yeah, that's absolutely right. Like, and, and thinking of like, Oh, they you know, they bought, yeah, they bought their house for the blueberries. Right. But, yeah but, but when they were working at that time, they're getting, you know, they were getting paid in blueberries. Like it's like, yeah. I think it was my, my dad, ah think, you know working at the library, the library after high school or whatever it was like making a quarter an hour or something.
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So like, so yeah, things were, you know, cars were cheaper, houses were cheaper, but people weren't getting paid as much. and i And I think it you know it is a little more extreme now is the the difference between wages and and the cost of some of these, but it's not like it's it's not like if you're just looking at the raw numbers, the inflation works both ways, I guess, you know that change. Yeah.
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Changing prices. So yeah, there's, there is something, you do have to take a grain of salt with some of the, the people who have a grudge against the the older generations. I think so. and And when you talk to them, sometimes they, i mean, I've heard some stories from from that baby boomer generation where they talk about some of the frugality that they had to go through, you know, as newlyweds or something. And sometimes I just don't see that as from younger generation. Like, you know, maybe they maybe it looks a little rosier than than it was in the 70s or something. You know, it wasn't quite so quite so lovely as people people make it out to be.
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um But that that being said, like you said, there's there's realities to, you know, the cost of... of property for particular, that seems to be the one that really like is kicking everybody in the butt is the is the housing crisis.
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Yeah, definitely. Yeah. there's There's some amount of you know lifestyle inflation with like middle class and and upper
Changing Travel and Lifestyle Expectations
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middle class. like you know We didn't go on big trips as a family.
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I didn't go to ah didn't go to Europe until I got sent around my mission, right? Like, yeah, like other some people travel a lot with their families. That's kind of like an expectation now. Like it's more, I feel like it's more common.
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in the middle class, like that you're taking big vacations and things. And we only, we did road trips, right? Like, I think there's one like trip that we flew on as a family, like across the country to the East coast that I can remember.
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But like even going out from Washington to Minnesota, we drove. yeah So like, and most, some most vacations were driving to Utah to visit family. So it wasn't like extravagant vacations that,
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I can't now take my kids on like that. I'm doing the same thing I did when i grew up. We were going on little road trips to national parks. And so. Yeah, for sure.
Parenting Challenges and Generational Trauma Reflection
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um What do you think about like, okay, so as a parent now looking forward into the future generations,
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this This can be a little nerve wracking, like, okay, am I screwing up my kid? I think every parent thinks that at some at some point or another. it Is what I'm doing going to cause my kid to have some some major problems or maybe so even scary or something I'm not doing? you know Is there something I'm neglecting to do? Because it's a lot easier to, this the sins of omission are a lot easier to fall into. ah What do you think about that? Do you struggle with that ever? is there Is there a way you think about how to kind of frame your your views on and your kids going forward?
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Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing that I think of with with this proverb is like um kind of the generational, I mean, I don't want to get to um too squishy with it, with a a yeah generational trauma, at least the trauma word.
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yeah but But I mean, it's true. there's There's some of that. So like, you know, I talked to my dad about this kind of stuff where, you know, the way he was raised, and the things he didn't like about how he was raised and then how he raised us and the things he didn't like about that.
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And a lot of that is like stuff that gets passed down either, either by nature or by nurture. Some of these ways of of dealing with kids and your temper and stuff like that gets passed down. And as you get older, especially once you have kids, you see like,
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oh, I'm just like my dad in this regard. And it's, and sometimes it's a good way. Sometimes it's a bad way. And you know, your wife will say, I'm just, I'm just like my, my mom in this regard. And I hate that. And I don't want to be like that. But, um, so I think the first step is being able to see that, that you are repeating some of these patterns and then, um,
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what you do about it is, is, is the next question. And so that's something, yeah, that's something I'm, I think about a lot that i don't want to screw up my kids. Um, and I don't want them to have the, the, the defects that I've got, you know, that I, that I was raised with. I want them to, want them to overcome that. And I don't want to,
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I don't want to put that on that that trauma on them. Right. Okay. so So I agree with that. I will say in your defense that um i I read some studies somewhere recently or something that was basically saying, you know, i mean, well, I'm just like, you like, me finish my first other, like in your defense, you turned out okay, you know? yeah And in your dad's defense, you turned out okay. And maybe you did pick up a few bad habits from him or from your mom or from,
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you know, your, your, your spouse, maybe, maybe same thing from their, her parents, but, um, you know, everything was okay. So I read this study that was basically like, as long as kids are cared for and loved and, and whatever, like they, you know, they're absent, any kind of major neglect or abuse.
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It mostly just, they kind of turn out the way genetically they were going to turn out anyway, you know, like there's not as much, you know, and so give yourself a break a little bit. It's kind of how I took that. Yeah.
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Yeah, i think that's that's great news. That's great. No, I think I did turn out well. I think I did have a happy childhood, um maybe somewhat of um a moody teenagerhood, but that's just you know being a teenager.
00:27:08
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right And i I think my parents did a great job with me, and I think they did much better than their parents did with them. And I think it was on their mind, and they they succeeded, and I just...
00:27:20
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you know most I mean, nothing else I want to build on that. I don't want to sure and want be worse than my parents were. Right. Yeah, so...
Birth Order Impact on Children
00:27:29
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But yeah, there's there's definitely that aspect. and And as we both know, like as kids grow up, they are their own little people.
00:27:35
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um No matter how you ah you raised them and treating them equally to each other, you're going to get different results. It's just ah how it is. Totally. And and so the the phrasing of the proverb, I think, is interesting because it says the sins of the fathers. It doesn't say every maybe maybe like tiny foible or...
00:27:53
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little error. It's like when I, when I hear sin, i mean, I guess little mistakes could be considered sense too, but i'm in my mind, I'm picturing big things that could derail your family. And if you can avoid the big things that could derail your family or or cause a real problem or put incarcerate you or lead to a divorce or something bad,
00:28:12
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um you know, the little ones I think may be okay. You know? So I, I think it's, it's a kind of, it's important to think about these sorts of things and be introspective about it, but it's also, I think important to give yourself a little grace as a parent.
00:28:27
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Yeah. If, if, if Yeah, yeah. I'd say so. I think um really the the big disruptors are like anything that might, you know, break up your marriage or yeah have not have both parents around.
00:28:43
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um Those are the big ones as far as, um you know, your sins being affecting your kids. Yeah, I think that's the number one is just keeping the family together.
00:28:54
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if you can If you can somehow just keep the family together, you've done, i don't know what percentage, 80% of the thing. I mean, it seems like it the lion's share is just being able to keep the family together if possible. Yeah, yeah.
00:29:07
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so um and So, which is good news. So, we're yelling at our kids, even though we shouldn't do it, and we try to get better, hopefully we are, over over the years, and hopefully by, you know, that's another generational trauma is the older kids, right?
00:29:21
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They get the brunt of the crappy parents, and then the younger kids, yeah parents have chilled out a little bit. Yeah, it's true. That's an interesting phenomenon, the the different ways, you know different, like, order of kids and their...
00:29:36
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the you know like have you seen the stat like that I mean it's like first like first or only children are vastly overrepresented in like the Ivy League and stuff because they get the super attention from the parents early on and stuff like that. Yeah.
00:29:53
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So I believe it. That's all real. Yeah. Just start caring with it, the babies and they don't go, they don't get to go to Harvard, you know, they get to stay out late at night, I guess, instead.
00:30:06
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but Yeah. Pick your poison. you want to be a, do you you want to be famous and and successful or do you want to have a fun childhood? Yeah.
Episode Conclusion and Poem Reflection
00:30:17
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Well, cool, man. This is ah a fun one and appreciate your thoughts as always. And thanks everyone for listening. We're about up at time, but we appreciate you all listening and we will see you guys next week. All right. We'll see you. All right. Bye.
00:30:30
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There are only four things certain since social progress began. that the dog returns to his vomit, and the sow returns to her mind, and the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wobbling back to the fire, and that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, as surely water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copy-wool hide us,
00:31:06
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Terror.