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There is One Law for the Rich and Another for the Poor
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In this episode Patrick and Andrew discuss the justice system, breaking habits that are holding you back, how technology has transformed our world, and how that can leave some people behind.
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Introduction & Podcast Inspiration
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and the brave new world begins.
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When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter. return
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Hello everybody and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
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And every week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom in these old proverbs that's relevant today. I'm your host Patrick Payne and with me as always is my co-host Andrew Stevens.
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Andrew, how are you man? I'm doing great tonight. How are you? Yeah, just living in the dream. Excited to record it again. Always a fun time of the week.
Swimming Lessons & Parenting Stories
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um How's your family been?
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Good. Yeah, I've been and busy. the The kids are doing doing swimming lessons past past month, I think. Nice. Just got to get them ready for summer.
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Gear up for summer. Exactly. Yeah, we we did the I don't know if we even tried last summer it was the summer before last we were doing ah the, don't know what they call it. The, just the, the survival kind of swimming that you do with like really little kids and yeah babies.
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Just teach them float. the whole yeah the whole The whole goal is just to get them to float on their back, right? and And that was just rough for our kids. We're just not having it. And so we kind of took it took a summer off, and now we're trying it again. And it's going a lot better this time. Different different method. We're just doing the normal normal lessons at the the city pool, you know.
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ah Nice. Yeah, that other one was like... They had like these little little catch net nets on the on the side but because the kids were always like swallowing water and throwing up. And so they're just like, skim it off. Gross.
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So gross. Skim off the chunks, at least. Yep. Chlorine does the rest. Yeah. um Yeah, we never did the... um We never did those little toddler lessons.
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ah We, well, up until just a few years ago, we were living in Arizona. So we, you know, kids would just kind of learn. Yeah. So, but we. Lots of opportunities, right? Lots of opportunities.
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But that being said, we probably should have, we had an experience where our kid almost died the Yeah. And now I don't think I ever told this story on this, but he was, ah how old was he?
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um Shoot, he had to have three or four. Yeah. And um we were all swimming and out in the backyard, we had a pool at our house and and i I had propped the pool gate open because people were like going in and out going to the bathroom or whatever, you know, and we're all out there.
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So was like, what? No, no big deal. So the little guy comes out of the pool, wants to go inside. I need to go out and go to the bathroom. so i'm like, all right, let's go in, leave the gate propped open.
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He says, I want a popsicle. So i'm like, okay. I get him a popsicle, hand it to him. I go to the bathroom. I think he's got his popsicle. He's done with the pool. He's not going to go back out there. Well, he turns and goes back out. And my wife's still out there, but she's not expecting him to be there. So she's, her focus is on the other side of the pool.
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you know? Yeah. And he falls in like, she turns over and he's like floating face down. She had to go in like get him out and do CPR. was horrifying.
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Um, so yeah, I, I long story. It ended fine, but kind of traumatized my wife. Um, but yes, I believe in those, uh, little kid, kid swimming lessons. If you can do them, I think we probably should have done one.
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Yeah, man. And don't leave your pool gate propped open, even if you think it's, you know, that was stupid. Does does he does he remember that event or was he just too young? And he like, like, does he remember it now?
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Not really. i don't think so. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We remember it. Yeah. i I'll neverll never forget that day. That was a bad day. But ah yeah, he was okay. He was fine.
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um Took him to the hospital get checked out, you know, because he was like out of it. And and then we knew right away that she got him breathing. We knew he was going to be fine. Like we knew he was going to live.
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But you never know, like, how long is he floating there? Like, you're worried, is he going to have brain damage? Is he going to be the same kid when wakes up? So that was kind of a horrifying ah experience, but has nothing to do with our proverb today. But you said that. And decided to share that ah terrifying parent parental anecdote.
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So be safe with your kids around pools is this is the lesson there. Yeah. um Yeah. So, proverb this week.
Proverb Introduction & Interpretation
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This is one I picked. Yeah, what is it? Yeah.
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It is, there's one law for the rich and another for the poor. Had you ever heard this one when i told you about it? um Not as a proverb, just maybe as a concept, but not but not as a proverb. Yeah.
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Yeah. Where'd you find it and where's it from? found it on just a list of Proverbs that we have. um and where it's from let pull it up real quick here. Where'd it go? Did I just lose it?
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I didn't find anything like super specific about it. Yeah. Okay. So it says one possible influence is the English poet, Jeffrey Chaucer, who wrote in the Canterbury tales, late 14th century.
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um
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So, but it wasn't specifically that phrase. So I found a lot of like influences like that. um The Roman poet Juvenal in his satires.
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Um, he, he had some stuff that was similar to that, but yeah, I couldn't find anything like a direct source for this wording of this proverb. Okay. Okay. um But it's an old concept.
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Old concept. Yep. And think it's, I thought it was kind of interesting because it kind of speaks to people's, you know, interpretation at least of the injustice of the justice system.
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Maybe. um Is that kind of what you got from it when you first heard it? Yeah, definitely. That's, that's the context. I've heard it kind of the, that the,
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the rich have it easy because they can afford to navigate the, the system or otherwise have connections in the system, you know? And so they, they have an easier time of it compared to ah regular guy and just, just caught up in the legal system.
Political Elites & Consequences
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Yeah. What kind of, made me interested in this one was kind of the stuff that's going on in politics going on right now where, you know, this Trump administration now is kind of seems to be more aggressive than the last one, you know, in ah changing things up and, and doing this, that, and the other. And they've got,
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they've got, uh, the, the doge department out there, like trying to find stuff. And you're, you're seeing all this like crazy ways money's spent. And, and so it it made me think of, of like this, there kind of is like, in a way, like a class of people that are benefiting from this kind of blob that's been just growing and, you know, all this government money that just keeps coming printed out of nowhere.
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And, uh, And it seems like, you know, nobody's been arrested or she's never, it's like, i wonder if these people are just going to have been grifting for years and years and probably nothing's going to happen to them.
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So, you know, I don't know. that That's what made me think of.
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Yeah. um yeah Yeah. There's definitely been like, there's a lot, lot of fodder in the, in the news with, with all the the goings on. it's It's very interesting because I think it probably you feel the same way, but I won't speak for you. Like the first time in my life where there's been that I remember like such a huge shakeup in government.
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For sure. I mean, there's been massive world events and things. Um, but as far as like just really changing the system, um, that's the first time I remember it. And, you know, it's happened a lot throughout the history of the U S so it's not like it's unprecedented for,
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a president to come in and just clean house and do all this stuff like, but it hasn't been for decades. And so it's very shocking to a lot of people.
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It's very refreshing to other people, um but it is different ah for for what we've seen. Yeah, absolutely. I 100% agree with that. It's so one of the critiques I've heard of politics going back decades is, oh, it doesn't matter who you vote in. Nothing ever changes. Yeah.
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And that was repeated over and over. It's kind of true in certain ways. Like, you know, the, the, the, many of the programs and agencies and stuff, they they kept going on with the same, oftentimes with the same people, they might change the person who's heading it, but like all the hundreds or thousands of employees, most of them are, they're lifers, you know, they, they, yeah they outlast one administration to another. So, you know, this, this, like I said,
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call it whatever you want, but this blob of, of, of people, it usually grows. There's all these agencies that just keep getting bigger and bigger. So yeah, this is the first time in my lifetime we've seen things really kind of coming in and, and shaking things up. So if you, you know, maybe some people who wanted change didn't want this kind of change.
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So if you're like, no, I didn't want him, but, but, uh, and if you, and if you liked the way it was going before, then you're probably going to hate it. But um But i I certainly think they're it it needed to have and needed to happen. There needed to be some kind of some kind of shakeup and I hope it works out well.
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but ah But yeah, to kind of go back to the proverb, it it does kind of seem like when you're... in the government, which is the agency that kind of makes all the rules, you kind of play by a different set of rules.
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Yeah. If that makes sense. Um, and, and I understand why i think, and that's because, you know, if you, you have to be careful about, um,
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like partisan witch hunts. And we've seen some of those and they're not good. yeah Like you don't want it to be every time a new party gets in power, they lock up all the people over the old party. That, that would be bad.
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So, yeah so, so you like, you have to, you know, be careful about not making it appear that way either, because that could give justification for the next people, even if you weren't doing it.
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So there's kind of a fine line to walk of, yeah, we want to punish criminals if it's a real blatant crime. We want to enforce it and maybe lock somebody up. But at the same time, politics and optics are are everywhere.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's you know history is instructive there, right? Like that's how you get a Caesar, right? Where, yep um where, where it's known that people want to prosecute the person in charge. He's like, well, I'm just going to stay in charge then. so I don't get prosecuted. So yeah that's, that's what, that's the risk you run.
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um And I think ah this, this proverb ah dealing with, Kind of, you know, yeah, I mean, two or more classes of people potentially looking at things historically.
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um i think something that throws a throws a wrench in the works here is perhaps democracy and the the age of democracy.
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Um, because if you, if you, I don't think people necessarily in the past would have thought this was bad. Um, because they would have thought, oh yeah, there are different, there's an, there's an aristocracy and those people, they do live by separate different set of rules because they're different kinds of people from, from us commoners, you know, but there also was like a different set of responsibilities, um,
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And I think that's what's different in the age of democracy, where there's different privileges but responsibility privileged people. but not different response like greater responsibility for those privileged people um And what you get instead is is the blob where no one's accountable for for anything that happens that's wrong. Like, you know if you have like ah some medieval lord or king, you know, messes up, they're going to die. like their Their own class is going to take care of them and and and get rid of them because they're they're messing things up for everyone else.
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So there were there were like checks and balances for the different classes. different classes But now you know, wealth is the kind of dividing factor largely.
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so that's kind of how we look at things. Like there's the the wealthy can navigate things, which is true. They do have the resources to to navigate that that normal people don't.
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Yeah, I think that's right. And I think that ah the fact
Wealth, Privilege, and Responsibility
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that there's the lack of of responsibility that goes along with all those privileges, like you mentioned, um creates some resentment.
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I think people feel that they're not living up to their responsibilities, but they're they're reaping all the benefit. um but But yeah, I'm just hearing about like you know how these ah agencies are run and then they you know you know everyone goes goes to Congress and they get rich. It's all always like a ah big oh no ah joke. and And I heard Elon talking the other day and he was saying like something like, ah you know insider trading is just the least of it.
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That's just the least. They can give jobs to their... You know, they'll, you know, staff these agencies or they'll start an NGO. The NGO thing was kind of crazy because people could just start them for nothing and they get government government money to do whatever. and then the government never checks on if how the money's spent. it's like, you just got yourself a blank check. I'm like, dang, man.
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the wrong business. I should have started an NGO like 10 years ago before everyone found out about the, about the grass. I'd be rich, but yeah, I should have listened to that guy who wears the ah the, question mark suit, you know, like, yeah, I forgot about free money. The government's giving it's probably true.
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um Yeah. That figured out. What do you think about the flip side of it? Because we've been talking about kind of wealthy elites having a system. You hear sometimes lower classes of people talk about how the game is rigged, the deck's stacked against them, they can't get ahead, you know the legal system's out to get them.
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you know i I wasn't really raised in ah in a difficult environment like that, thankfully. So yeah part of me is like, ah come on, you're just wanting to just stop breaking the law. It's part of my initial reaction is, but you know who knows? Maybe there is some truth to that. what what what do you What do you make of that?
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Yeah, i'm I go back and forth. like that's That's one area where i'm like where I have a bit of a bleeding heart. you know like What do you do with but people who can't? get their lives together, like just are incapable of it.
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um Like, it's it's a tricky one. I mean, like thinking back, you know, I like yeah i like to think historically about a lot of things and and it was pretty harsh. Like the solutions were pretty harsh historically. i don't know what the, I think the figure I saw was something like in in Britain,
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like basically I think 1% of the, the male population was executed like any given time. basically So that's, that's how they like, they didn't have a, a criminal class or whatever, because they, they're all dead. And I don't, and I don't really, and don't really think that's a great solution. um But, but what do you do? You gotta, you gotta to take care of people or you gotta,
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make sure that people aren't interfered with by people who want to cause trouble. um And people do get stuck in these, these systems that you and I and our listeners don't get stuck in, you know, like we're, we're not going to have, we're not going to forget, forget to pay our, ah parking ticket and get a ah bench warrant out and then like get our,
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get our car impounded, you know, like all these things that are really tough if you're stretched financially, but you're not like staying on top of things. Like it it sucks people in, like the system does do that.
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But that's until someone figures out another system, you know, another, another way of being, you know, maybe, ah maybe the, the AI singularity will fix it. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe.
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Yeah. yeah I felt a little bit like that. Like, when I was younger though, I was never like, uh, you know, in trouble with the law per se, but like, just like I'd get a speeding ticket or something, then I would forget about it and then it would charge me a fee.
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And then, you know, cause you're, was, I was dumb young adult, just barely became an adult, you know and all these like responsibilities are hitting me. And I could see how some people just might not be ah ever be able to get a grasp on that or get a handle on it, you know?
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Yeah. And, um,
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and And especially like, ah and and sometimes it feels to me like, you know, if someone's been raised a certain way, it can be really tough to get out of that just because all of the life skills, if you want to call them that, quote unquote, or the the the the habits of ways to handle problems, if all of them they've been taught have been by people who are not doing it right and they've learned it kind the wrong way,
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If you're just used to, hey, yeah everyone has interpersonal problems. Everyone's got a problem with somebody sometime. if If you're the only, the way you know how to solve it is to punch them. Like you're going be constantly in trouble, you know, but but but to replace that, you can't just say don't punch them because you have to then know, well, what do I do instead?
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Because if you don't know what to do instead, they're going to revert back to what they do know. So it's it's more than just like, hey, don't break the law, dummy. It's now I have to learn a whole new set of life skills of how to deal with interpersonal conflict without you know threatening to fight somebody. Because that's how how people would do it, like on the street. you know Or I'm really stressed out. How do I deal with this without going getting high or drunk, which causes more problems?
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So it seems like i can see how they people can fall into these traps where every, all of their habits are just the wrong, the wrong way to do stuff. And it's really, it would it would take a really long time to, to, like said, to build all those new skills in another direction.
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Does that make sense? Yeah. No, that makes perfect sense. Yeah. We're, we're all of your, all of the, all of the nurture is wrong. Yeah. Say nothing of any of the nature, right? Like it just, so yeah.
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And we could say something on the nature too, like, especially as things get more technological. I mean, I mean, people don't like talking about this cause it seems dismal, but you know, intelligence is real and some people are are sharp and they pick things up quick and some people just struggle.
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And, uh, it's like, Oh, all you gotta do is you could pay this ticket online, go here, here, here. it's like, some people are just like, I i don't know. I don't know if i can handle that. Or even, or even like, you know, every generation,
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um I think it happens to every generation as technology progresses where even, you know, smart people like your parents and grandparents cannot figure out the latest, the current technology. Right. Totally.
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So like, yeah, if, if I was just, I was just doing this, took my, my, my kids went to the but dentist this week, one of them for the first time. And so I was filling out like the,
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you know, the intake form and stuff. And, you know, they just texted me a link and I had to do it all on my phone. I just, I just hate it. I hate filling out forms on my phone. Yeah. That's like standard now. So like if you, it's, it's a hassle for me.
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And I'm, you know, I'm only middle-aged, but you do that, you give that to to a grandma and she barely uses the phone as a phone and then she's trying to fill out some form.
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Like, just, yeah, there's more and more of that where just every generation just gets kind of... locked in with their technological capabilities. And totally ah so even if they're smart people, um they're just not, they're not going to make it.
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Yeah. Imagine, imagine you've lived your life 70 years and filling out paper forms and then people are like oh we don't even have paper forms anymore. We don't have them. And you're like, what? What are you talking about? Like, I've been doing it forever.
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And it's like, yeah, no clipboard. Here's an iPad. And you're like, what is this thing? You know? So, yeah, that could be tough. And, and so, yeah you know, while I, I do think this concept of there's one law for the rich and another for the poor,
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can be used as an excuse. Like, oh man, the man's trying to get me down. It's like, well, yeah you know, yeah don't be a retard. Like, you know, just, you know, try to like follow the law at the same time. Like all of these structures are put in place for certain people.
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And if you were raised in a way that kind of you've kind of fell through the cracks. Yeah. I could see how that would be. There'd be some truth to that. Yeah. So I think the tough thing is getting people to take enough responsibility to where they realize that, hey, with the deck stacked against you a little bit or not, it's still up to you to to to fix it because you know you can't have someone else solve all your problems for
Legal System Evaluation
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you. Ultimately, it's got to be you, maybe with some help, but you got to do that while also recognizing that that the structures in place can can be pointed in one direction.
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Yeah, and maybe maybe this is another ah and but another democracy problem where it's ah and where it becomes a a lack of humility kind of problem where, um you know, in other times you're kind of forced into, forced into humility by your circumstances of birth.
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And you recognize that for what it was. um But now everyone, you know, everyone wants to, since no one is the aristocrat, everyone wants to be the aristocrat and, ah and, and, um and it just, it makes for some,
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Difficult conversations with with some people. And not, you know, everyone wants to be special, right? everyone wants to be special. You mean like there's no, yeah, you mean like there's kind of like no um station in life?
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Yeah, yeah used to yeah. I mean, if it was if you had a humble station in life, um there was still dignity with it. Like, you know, you were the school janitor, right?
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you had dignity though, because it's a job that needed to be done and you could provide for your family. And, and it was good, but now like, that's a lot of that is gone. Like there's a lot, like the status seeking is, is pretty, pretty prevalent. And,
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um you know, everyone wants, I mean, everyone wants their, their, their kid to be able to be, you know, the president or whatever, but Not everyone's kids going to be the president.
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I have kind of, um you know, been sad to see or kind of bemoan the fact that there's like this, it's so easy and so hard to be rich. So like, like now it seems, it seems like, ah you know, you've got this nouveau riche that's of people who are, you know, they'll get, they'll get rich on an app or they become a TikTok star or YouTube or something.
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it seems so stupid. And I kinda long for the days sometimes where the, you know, it's at least it seems looking back that the, the rich had some class and had some dignity, you know, you watch Downton Abbey, they seemed like they at least had, had some, you know, or shows from that era or whatever, you know?
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And it seems like they kind of had a little bit of class where now it's like, you get somebody who has maybe they, all the things that we were talking about that they didn't really have good habits or in life, but now they got millions of dollars on top of It's like, yeah, that creates its own set of problems.
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Yeah, I mean, everyone, it's it feels like everyone's basically ah a lottery ticket away from yeah from being mega wealthy. And not just even like literal lottery tickets, but like, you know, that you're going to buy the right meme coin and it's going to explode.
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Or, yeah, like you're going to have like some stupid Or you'll be the meme. Yeah. Yeah. Some stupid video goes viral and, and you launched that into, you know, your, successful podcast. So like, it's just, yeah. Have you, have you ever seen, like, I saw a thing of, was like following some of these kids that were memes, just like, like the early, early memes, it was just like a picture of a kid, you know, bad, like Brian or whatever. Remember those like, yeah. um And they followed these people and found out of them. It was like nuts back in the day. Like they were like getting speaking engagements and people would want them on, on this, that, and the other. And like, yeah.
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the, yeah the kombucha girl, I heard her story where she, she got let go from her job because she was, ah she was such a distraction. She was like a bank teller and people were coming in and it was like disrupting the bank. They're like, we have to let you go.
00:26:51
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And so then, but she had a bazillion other opportunities. So it's like, yeah, literally just a picture of your face could blow up. So yeah, a hundred percent. Like everyone's just, I'm um one, I'm one away from that could be me.
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Yeah. And then, you know, more and more, Like political, you know, figures are from media, from entertainment. I mean, the president, like on top of, you know, it's like real estate was the side job. Being a a public figure was kind of the main job, right? And so ye so you're like, well, if I could be a public figure, then I can.
00:27:28
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And a lot of people he's picked to to run things are the more media savvy kind of people. So, yeah. Just one one meme away from greatness.
00:27:40
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One meme away from greatness. Yep. Absolutely. um So, yeah. I mean, what what do you think? does Does society believe in this one or does not so much? i think absolutely.
00:27:52
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But maybe maybe what we would say is like people just maybe view it view it differently and and in competing ways, right? Yeah. that one group, one group has privileges over another people probably are going to argue about what those groups are, but yeah.
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But yeah, I think everyone, i think everyone ah believes this one. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. um I will say some people take it so far that they, you know, think that no,
00:28:27
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You know, wealthy person or high status person could ever be brought down. But I mean, it's not true. Congress people have gone to jail, you know. um Yeah. Presidents have been impeached. ah Things can happen. So I don't think anyone's 100% above the law. I do think there's different sets of rules depending on where you're at.
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um But, you know, you still do have to follow the rules of the the group you're in. um And, and ah you know, I'll give credit to the people who set up are our country and the wise people who kind of structured our legal system, because I think it does work okay most of the time.
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Certainly not perfect. And, you know, we've seen some of the... some of the people that have been like pardoned of crimes that were like, you know, I don't know if you know, followed like that, but that Ross Ulbricht guy, but that, that, that, that one seemed crazy that, uh, it was one of the guys that Trump, Trump pardoned. And, uh, whether you agreed with what he was doing or not, that the sentence just seemed completely ridiculous, um, for what he did.
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And so life sentences or something like that, double life sentences for, you know, setting up a website where people were selling drugs or something. It's like, well, yeah. Shouldn't have done that, but yeah, it crazy. And, um, and so definitely not perfect, but I think it's overall pretty good. And, and, uh, most of the time it works. Okay. I don't know.
00:29:46
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What do you, how do you feel about that? Yeah, I i think it's yeah it's it's built over centuries, you know, the built on the English common law tradition. Like, a lot has gone into the system we have. So I guess that right there says, you know, be careful with what you tear down from it, right? Like, be careful what what's what's holding the whole thing up. you got to be careful.
00:30:13
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Yep. Analyzing that. um And ah yeah, I think for the most part, I'd say for for most people, it does work pretty well. And it's those those edge cases, that the famous cases that I think people really get riled up about. And those are those are kind of edge cases for a reason.
00:30:31
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Yep. Yep, exactly.
Final Thoughts on Responsibility
00:30:33
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Well, Hey, this is a good one. Thanks ah for your thoughts on it. And thanks for listening, everybody. Remember there's one law for the rich and another for the poor, maybe, but maybe, maybe but got to do the best you can anyway.
00:30:47
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It's ultimately up to you. So thanks for listening, everybody. We will see you guys all next week. right. We'll see you. Bye. There are only four things certain since social progress began.
00:31:10
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that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, as surely water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook head in,
00:31:29
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Carolus, or slaughter.