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If You Fail to Plan, You Plan to Fail
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In this episode Andrew and Patrick discuss the importance of preparation in all aspects of life, but also the need for flexibility when plans fail.
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Introduction and Podcast Inspiration
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and the brave new world begins. in
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When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter. return
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
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And every week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim, and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's any ancient wisdom from these old proverbs that's still relevant today.
Schedule Changes and Summer Breaks
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I'm your host, Patrick Payne, and with me, as always, is my co-host, Andrew Stevens.
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Andrew, how are you doing, bud? I'm doing all right. How are you? Doing good. took a little break. We're, uh, might have to space out our episodes a little bit more now. We were doing them weekly.
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think we're going going to twice a month now. Um, yeah. Life's getting crazy. Yeah. Busy summer and everything. So yeah, what we're planning to do.
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Yeah. So sorry for those of you who were used to listening to us on your Friday and afternoon commute. Um, just we every other one now, but, but, uh, yeah.
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Uh, how you been? Good. Um, gosh, what, ah what it's, it's harder. I think it's harder to recap a two week. Yeah, it is. What we've talked about already and where I was two weeks ago. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's, it's, it's good.
Andrew's Photography Adventures
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Um, it's summertime. The kids are doing their little summer day camps and, um,
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the uh well there's all kinds of fun stuff going on the area like uh i've been getting think i think we talked maybe we talked about it last time after our my little trip like i've been getting getting more into photography again yeah and um And last week was our big like Orem. That's where I live. That's a large city in Utah.
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um Had the you know town summer celebration, right? The kind of Founders Day celebration. Week-long festivities. And we went to the car show.
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for the first time i've never been to to one of these this is um something to make my my grandpa proud probably he used to he used to take his car to the car show and uh sweet so um but yeah and and i was not i did not know what to expect i certainly did not expect it was a huge turnout tons of cars tons of people there ah The kids played at the playground and I went and took pictures of these classic cars and it's a lot of fun.
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So it's a like being more into photography is making me go go out more and want to go do things, go do some events and bring the family. And so it's an interesting side effect to this hobby.
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Yeah, man. I've been noticing your photography you've been posting on Substack and stuff. and I've been enjoying it. Um, two things about what you said. One, love car shows. and I can talk about that a little more, but, uh, two, it's crazy that you mentioned Orem as like a largest town now because it's true, but it still blows away. Cause I always thought of it as a, you know, growing up, it was all as a small town.
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Yeah. I don't even, I'm not sure what our population is, but you know, probably up up around a hundred thousand. Um, crazy yeah it's getting just a world yeah yeah i think so and that and that's the other thing about for those of you not familiar with with utah there's just it's kind of a an unending sprawl along i-15 from from ogden all the way down to spanish fork it's you know 100 miles of kind of non-stop city so ours so our orem blends right into provo which where byu is a pretty big town itself
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I just looked it up. It says 93,000. Okay. Yeah. And, ah and I mean, the cool thing is though, there's like all these little towns right next to each other. So in the summertime, every, every town has its own little festival.
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So you don't have to go go too far every week. There's a firework show and ah carnival or rodeo, like whatever you want to go to. There's, there's cool stuff to go to. Yeah, that is that that is fun. It's a cool place. um my ah So my dad was in the auto industry when I was growing up. And so we lived in Detroit for a while and we've been to a lot of car shows.
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I bet. There are car shows is there every weekend, pretty much, at least in the summertime when the weather's nice. but So we've been lot of car shows. They're fun. What kind of cars were they? Were they like anything or specific type? Yeah, they're taking everything. And the things that catch my eyes are the...
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the nice bright, brightly colored, well-polished classic cars, old Mustangs and Corvettes. And, and, uh, uh, but they, you know, people were even there, you know, they're more, um, supercar type, type stuff. And, um, I even saw, you know, someone had their, their Tesla with a crazy wrap on it, you know, like they'll, they'll, they'll take, they'll take just about anything and, uh, people want to see just about anything. So that's kind of cool.
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What kind of car did your grandpa have that he would bring? He had a Dodge Scamp. it's ah It's one of those half-sedan, half-pickup things.
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So you don't see those around too much these days. But she had he had one in great great working order, and then basically... like a spare part for every single part of that car, you know, like, so he had two cars worth of, of, uh, parts, but just the one and he would, yeah, take it to local shows and stuff. So interesting.
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Yeah. Cool, man. Well, uh, yeah. Glad everything's going well with the fam. I don't think there's and much to report over here. Oh, our, um, our boys are
Jujitsu Tournament Excitement
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excited. They got another jujitsu tournament this weekend. So we're, we're getting ready for that. Trying to, uh,
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Trying to get everyone prepared to go on a lot of times this this time. So this is our first the first time that our little guy is going to be competing. okay um So I have five sons, and this is number four.
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huh And he is five years old. Yeah, five. And so it's, it's pretty funny to watch them go. Cause they, you know, there's no like killer instinct at five. They just have like big smiles on their face and they're just kind of like hugging each other and like pushing around. So I've seen them like roll in class. It's going to be pretty fun. So we're doing that this weekend, but.
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you kind about that Do they train more in the summertime or is it pretty normal, like pretty consistent throughout the year? um Right now they're training. ah This week we've been really buckling down because to get ready, run up for the tournament. But um they've been doing it less lately because they're all a bunch of them in baseball, too. So now baseball is starting to conflict with.
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with jiu-jitsu which is all year round so but my uh second oldest he's a he's a pretty good baseball player he actually just got uh and but he he got invited the all-star tryouts and made the all-star team so he's he's he's a good little ball player and then now then his little brothers want to play too and so then we got we're driving it seems like we're driving everybody everywhere so i won't be sad when the baseball season's over even though i like it so it's just a lot so yeah Anyway, um maybe I could do better at planning my summer to make sure that I don't fail. Yeah. That's a stupid segue.
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Anyway, tell us a about our proverb.
Understanding 'Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail'
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ah Yeah, there's there's a few um variations of this one. Failing to plan is planning to fail. Or the person who fails to plan plans to fail. Yeah.
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in The here's here's interesting fact when I was researching this one, um that kind of structure, right? Fail, plan, plan, fail um is is called anti-metaboli.
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It's a clause um is repeated with keywords transposed. So that kind of thing. Yeah. Did you ever, did you ever see that? What was it show?
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What's that movie called? Mystery men that nineties. Yeah. The Sphinx. was that the sphinx Like, cause that's all his sayings were like that. Right. He might've even said this one in that, that movie. It's hilarious. You said Cause that's immediately what I thought when you said that. I was like, cause Ben Stiller goes on a little thing about it. And he's like, did you find these like formulaic? If you want to go left, you got to go right. You know?
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Yeah, so that's so that's the ah the term, like the rhetorical term for what the Sphinx does is anti-metabole. but Say it again. ah Anti-metabole.
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Antimetaboli, okay. yeah That sounds like something that Ozempic does, but it's not. Yeah, it does. definitely got pharmaceutical. um But this one, um you know, attributed apparently to Benjamin Franklin.
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But um there's no actual like source for this, which makes sense because you know the ones we've done with him and the other stuff, you know the poor Richard's Almanac stuff, like it's pretty well documented. They're in there, right? You could pick up a copy of what he wrote and it would be in there. This one is not.
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um And so this article I found ah that was kind of trying to search search for it, couldn't find anything earlier than 1919. So, so it's surprising.
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Yeah, really surprising. So this one's 100 years old, maybe, you know, older in some popular use or, you know, colloquial use, but, um but as you know, literary documentation,
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but about a hundred years old. Man, that's cool. Um, yeah, it's very surprising to hear cause you would, I would have thought this one would have been one that's been around forever. yeah Um, and like you said, sometimes, you know, verbally they can be passed down for a while, but we, we only know what's been written down.
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So, uh, yeah, that's kind of cool. Um, what made you select this one? Well, partly because I just, uh, I feel like I'm in a big rut right now with,
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with getting things done that I want to or just getting anything done. and um And part of it, you know I was thinking about this yesterday or the day before, I'm like, you know I haven't like actually tried to make any goals lately. I haven't like tried to make a plan. It's been a while since I've tried to do something like that. And I'm terrible at it and I never stick with it, but.
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Apparently it's better than not doing it at all for me. So even even starting something like that and and fizzling out is still better motivation for me. So it was this one, I thought if we talked about it, this would give me a a kick in the pants to to set some some goals for this summer and um and just try and try to have a little more focus.
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So that's that's kind of that's what inspired this one for me. Yeah, I love it. i'm ah and This is one for me that instead of me having any advice to give on it, I'm going to be the one hearing the advice and trying to apply it. Because this one that i yeah I'm certainly not great at. I'm more of a you know wing it kind of guy. And you know if you're that kind of person your whole life, you tend to get kind of good at winging it.
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But yeah you're still better off. so So I make things work, but I think you're still better off if you... put a plan together. And like, I have a whiteboard in my office and, you know, I'm, I work in, I'm a salesman by trade. So,
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Every quarter we have new goals, you know, and I have to sell so much stuff and this, that, and the other yeah So I'll have different accounts that I'm kind of been talking to about various products and thinking, okay, could these guys potentially buy anything this quarter or no?
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You know, what, is that realistic to think that they might buy from us this time? or And so when I sit down at the beginning of the quarter, and write everything down and go, okay, this these guys are a maybe, these guys said they definitely want it soon.
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These guys are waiting on the budget thing or whatever. And then you know i started looking through my, call it the pipeline, right, of customers. I tend to do better.
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And I i tend to I haven't like gone back and looked at my commission statements to know if I'm like making more money when I do it, but I certainly feel more organized and I feel like I i have more direction. I'm not, I don't flounder as much. Like sometimes you can be like, man, what do I do today? You know, cause I have a lot of freedom in my job. I can go where I want to go. and go visit whoever clients I need to.
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have certain parameters I need to hit. But apart from that, I kind of just do my own thing and it's easy to get, you know, lost a little bit sometimes. So having that plan can be really helpful. Yeah, certainly. And I, I expect though, like you being, you're winging it.
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It's you're, you're not as much as you think you are maybe because you, you have been a salesman for so long. You've always had those targets in mind. Um,
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And so you you like, that does focus you probably more than, than you think, like subconsciously that you're, that you're working on those, but, but to your point about like writing down that pipeline and stuff.
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um Yeah. That, that, that makes a big difference. Like I'm thinking this time last summer, i was very busy at work and had juggling several projects for several clients and yeah, I had to have like every day basically mapped out of what I was going to be working on to to get to get these targets, to get these documents out.
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And I don't have quite that rush this this summer. And so that's probably probably part of what I'm feeling is like, well, I just kind of do what's coming in, but you know maybe I just need to to to get that battle plan on the whiteboard too. And just what with what I do have and and make sure that I'm clearing all that stuff out.
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Yeah, and the whiteboard, I think, helps a lot because, i I mean, it's not like I don't have a list of my clients somewhere else. like i you know what I mean? like i We have our CRM or whatever we keep keep track of our ah clients, and but I think having it just up in front of front of me when I'm ah in my office at the beginning of the day and i look at it, it's just like you know I can cross them off as I'm, okay, this one.
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Yeah, they signed up. Yay. This one told me not going to happen right now. Okay, cross them off. You know what i mean And so you can kind of just, it's, I don't know, the visual aspect of it helps me.
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And physically writing it, I think, puts it in your brain better than something on a computer. At least that's been my experience. how much um How much of what you do is like routine when it comes to you um your workflow and process? Yeah.
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It can get kind of routine. It's every day is a little different because I go different places. them I have to decide where I'm going that day and they want us like um different sales types of sales are different, but mine is kind of a lot they like in person.
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So they want us to kind of stop in and visit place. So I'll print out flyers or something about new products we have. and I'll see if I can go in and talk to different clients. And um so I can decide, Hey, I'm not going to, am I going to go down to,
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Utah today. Am going to stay here in Idaho? Am I going to go out to Wyoming? I have kind of a territory covers a few different parts of a few different States and I'll plan where I'm going or I wing it. Sometimes I don't have a plan and I'm like, yeah you know, throw a dart at the wall or whatever, but it's better when I have a plan.
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And then, uh, but, but the visits can sometimes get routine. If it's like you stopped in someplace a bunch of times and they tell you the same thing every time, you know, you're trying to kind of get a conversation going. It's not working. I can see routine.
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Yeah.
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and Okay. Yeah. but I was just thinking like some, I wonder like also how much that takes, takes like that load off of making those those decisions and things like you're the big decision is like where to go that day and everything. Right.
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um But once you're, once you're in it, like you kind of, you're kind of in the zone, you're kind of in that flow thinking of like someone, someone like ah David Lynch, who um famously would go to the same diner every day and order the same thing. And even like at home, I think he would like make the same thing for dinner every day. Like his clothes were like, his philosophy was you cut out, like you cut out a lot of that small stuff.
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You, you really lean into the routine and as, as a creative person, so you know, he was a director and an artist like that. That's where the inspiration would come from is, is by clearing his mind of all that other those other
Flexibility in Planning
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decisions that his mind was able to work on, on the other stuff. and the And I think that's, that's one, um one way with the with the planning part, right?
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the The planning is already so decided, you've already made that plan and you've got your routine. And so um whether or not you you consciously make a plan that day for, for what you're doing is not as important as, as the broader pattern that you're setting.
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Yeah, I tried to do like break up my territory into little subsections and set it all for a day. And I even placed them all on my calendar for different days. But then it got so out of whack because I would be like someone would call me like, hey, can you come up and talk to me about this product? I'm like, oh, yeah yeah, drop everything. I'm going there today. And then I would try to switch it. And then I got, you know, messed up.
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And then I was like, wait, I can't go. I was scheduled to go to, you know. Idaho Falls or something tomorrow, you know, and then I'm like, wait, I can't go there. Cause I was just there, you know, you can't go bug the same customers again, you know, give them some time.
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So then I had to be like, you know, so like anyway, I'm not on a routine in your schedule. Yeah. no probably But that's the other side of it. Yeah. That it's, it's, if you you're too rigid about things, like if your plan is too rigid, any, anything that comes in is just going to completely screw it up.
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Yeah. Um, I was thinking about this on, on our, our last, our little family road trip, Um, it just seemed peculiar to me, although it's not really that peculiar, but just like, you know, month, a couple months before I set out this routine, I reserved these rooms, like the rooms and campsites and like, and, and we're out there hundreds of miles from home, middle of nowhere. It's like, okay, no, we got to be in this place on the map by this time.
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and it, um, We worked out, you know, I mean, we didn't, we didn't need a flexibility for that type of thing, but there are types of things where you do need that flexibility. You need to, to build in that wiggle room.
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um And I don't know where i'm going with this, but, but yeah, you just too much virginity depending on, on what the task is, is, is not good. um I guess I wonder, you might, you might know more about this.
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You know, the anniversary of D-Day was last week. um And this, that kind of, I was thinking about that as as we're, as i was looking at this, this proverb, um just the immense amount of planning that went into the the invasion.
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um But i I've got to think that there was, you know They had their objectives, but there's probably some pretty significant amount of flexibility to to accommodate for you know the fog of war and what could not be predicted.
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yeah Because otherwise, if you have a very rigid plan, it just it just all crumbles. There are some quotes about that that I'm trying to place, ah either who said them or even exactly kind of what they are. But um I think there was a quote from some, one of our opponents in war that we fought at one time that said something about American military is like,
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American military is hard to understand because they don't seem to, you know, it's their, their military doctrine iss hard to understand because they don't seem to follow it. follow it yeah Yeah. Something like that. Like, you know, once, once it's all starts, they just like, all right, we're doing this.
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um But at the same time, I think there was another, quote from a general or something, and I'm i'm blanking on how that one went. so Something to the effect of it's foolish not to make a plan, but you might not end up using it anyway.
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kind Kind of something like that. And i yeah try to find it, but yeah. um But that, yeah, that speaks right to what you're talking about where um you have to be flexible with your plan, but...
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you You might change your plan so often that you think it's useless to make them, but I don't think that's correct. I think making the plan does something. Even if you end up changing it at all, I think it helps you in some way. And I can't place my finger on exactly why.
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Yeah. Well, I mean... i comes to mind, um, like flying, um you know, I've heard this analogy some years ago, basically like, um, you know, you, you set your, um your, your target, you, you set your, your compass where you're going and you head in that direction.
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um and you, you have that destination in mind and you might get knocked off course, but, if you're if you're shooting for that, you're going to be a lot closer than if you were just going wherever, right? Like if you sure set that if you never set that target in the first place. And so so that's something to a little bit of encouragement for for myself with setting goals. Like, you know, it it might fizzle out, it might not make it, but at least shooting for that, seeing that target on the horizon and heading in that general direction is much better than just
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spinning around my eyes closed, you know? So, um, so I guess that's, that's something to consider. Yeah. Um, do you think this is a, a res, a respected proverb in society? Do you think we're a planning society or do you think it's been, you know, does it get denigrated sometimes? I'm i'm trying to, I'm trying to think if I, uh, have heard this one, i mean, people say it, but I'm wondering if people really do it or not. What do you think?
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um So in in the ah in the writing community, ah fiction writers, there's a kind of a division that people make about whether you are a plotter.
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So do you do you write on a map for a story you're writing or are you a pantser? Do you write by the seat of your pants? and um And I tend to be um a mix of both. I suspect a lot of people are.
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My, my, ah I mean, and I'm not successful, so I don't advocate this, but I just, I'll get an idea. I'll start writing, I'll get stuck and then I'll make a plan. I'll make an outline and then I'll try and go back and and fill things in.
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um But I think a lot of people who are, you know, quote unquote pantsers are really just kind of unwilling to, or undisciplined in wanting to plot um or think that there's something less worthy about that as a creative endeavor, like sitting down and trying to figure it out is makes you not an artist or something. yeah don't know.
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Um, so, so yeah, I think some people, i don't think this one is universally valued. Yeah. um I will say though, I think sometimes in defense of the panthers, sometimes the plotting can get in the way and you can and you can start thinking, well, how is this going to go? And i don't I don't know how I'm going to finish this story out. And they'll just sit there and stew on it forever. When like, man, do you know how the first chapter is going to start?
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Just start writing it. You know what I mean? just Just go and maybe it'll come to you along the way. And I think sometimes people can get so rigid in their plannings that they they don't start. Yeah. That's, that's 100% true. Yeah. um I find myself in that, in that boat with a lot of things um where, yeah, just that ah analysis paralysis that comes in where you just, okay, let's make a plan. Let's make a plan. And never, you never execute on any of it.
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So, so there is something to be said to um finding a point that's good enough for your plan and and not being too rigid. Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. I'm, I'm, I never have to worry about, uh, being too, too planning. Uh, but I do, you know, I work with some people who are planners and, and they show me stuff and I'm like, dang, man, that's, that's a really good, a good idea. You know, like I'll, I'll be ready to, to, um, like taking notes on conversations I've had with customers and stuff like that.
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And, uh, the better notes you take, the easier it is next time. Cause you're like, Oh, I remember they told me, you know, two months from now, they may be interested in something else. And then if you follow up properly and you remember your notes, but I'm not the best note taker, you know?
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Um, it's funny. My wife, uh, she and probably drive her nuts because I'll get in the car and I'll just start driving. And that's just my habit of doing things. I get in the car and I don't sit around.
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I get it. turn the car on and I go. and She's kind of my navigator usually. So it drives her nuts. She's like, we don't, I don't, I haven't mapped where we're going yet. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's this general direction. I'm just going to start going this way.
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ah More than once I took, she'd be like, no, go turn around. Make U-turn. It's quicker to go this way. And it drives her crazy because I won't sit there for like two minutes and just let it or 90 seconds or 30 seconds or however long takes to just punch in an address in the map.
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You know where we're going. And so that's been a struggle for work because when I have a conversation, rather than logging it, get in my computer or my phone or whatever and logging my, you know, thing and writing all my notes, I just like, all right, sweet.
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That was good. On to the next one. yeah And then my notes are poor. And I'm like, dang, what did they say last time? So that's something that I'm working on. Um, that's like a kind of a post plan, I guess, but it's, it helps you plan for the next time. But it feeds into the next one.
Different Planning Styles in Family
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Right. Yeah, yeah exactly.
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Do you, um, so it sounds like your your wife's a little more of a planner. Um, how, how does this work? This is something I have not, not thought about yet, but need to about, um,
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kids and and instilling whether the balance between planning and and pantsing and uh uh like what um what what do you do with your kids or is it something that you seem like naturally develop in in some of them when they're a little older like what what's your experience there Yeah, for sure. ah My wife's been very flexible with me, even though I do spur of the moment things all the time.
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She's gotten good at just rolling with the punches. My kids, on the other hand, this is what I was not expecting. I'll wake up on a Saturday And we didn't really have much planned. You know, maybe we'd do some yard work and then watch TV or maybe go into town or something, you know, whatever.
00:27:42
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And then I'll wake up and be like, what if we go to the lake? Or, you know what i mean? I'll just be like, what if we just do this? Like last minute. And my mom's like, are you serious? i'm like, yeah, let's just do it. And so I've done stuff like that before.
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And she's really good about it, even though that's not her style. who is not is my daughter. She hates that, which we're discovering now she's a teenager and it stresses her out. She's like, I did not know about this.
00:28:06
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I was not consulted on this. You didn't tell me about it. And it it stresses her out. She doesn't like it. And she doesn't like surprises. She likes to know. So if we're like, Oh, we weren't going to go somewhere. we better tell her first, like prepare three days, two weeks, whenever we're going this place.
00:28:23
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And she's like, okay. You know, and like, just so I wasn't expecting kids to be, the one kind of digging their heels in a little bit. I thought they'd be like, Oh yeah, we're going somewhere. And not all kids are like that. She's more of a planner.
00:28:35
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all right. So I don't know if I'm doing anything necessarily or just kind of, you know, um adjusting to her natural, you know, I don't think it was anything I did, but yeah, you definitely have to adjust to the way that your kids are going to, going to deal with that sort of thing.
00:28:52
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So,
00:28:56
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Okay. right. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen any signs of that in your little girls yet, but sometimes you can see it early if they're... Yeah, I think itie my oldest, I think my five-year-old is going to be that way. She already is a little bit.
00:29:08
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And so... Yeah, i think I think we're headed that direction there. And I think the three-year-old is probably going to be a little more spontaneous. Yeah. My oldest son was was like that when he was younger. He would lay out his crayons by ascending you know length you know and organizing color code things. And I'm like, okay, that's how he is.
00:29:31
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So yeah, kids are different, bud. Yeah, this is a good one, man. ah Planning is something that is really helpful. And I was just thinking the other day, I was that ah
00:29:43
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um it's good to have like a,
00:29:48
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like even a large plan, like a, like a life plan or a career plan. remember I sat down when I wasn't even sure what I was going to, you know, I was married with, I think a kid and I still didn't really know what I was going to be when I grew up. Like I was kind of just bouncing around with jobs and I had a college degree that it wasn't relevant to anything. And i we had to sit down, my wife and I, and we got out a piece of paper and a pencil and we were just started writing.
00:30:11
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Would you like to do this? Maybe not. You know, and we had kind of a tree And it worked out fine. Like sometimes even even ah something really large, like where's my life going can be helpful to just write stuff down.
00:30:25
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Yeah. That's great. But be flexible along the way.
00:30:30
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So, yeah.
Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser
00:30:32
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All right. Well, good. Thanks for this one, man. It was a good idea to bring this one up. And thanks, everyone, for listening. We'll see you guys in two weeks. In two weeks. Not next week. So. All right.
00:30:41
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All righty. See you guys. Bye. Bye. There are only four things certain since social progress began. That the dog returns to his vomit. That the sow returns to her mind.
00:30:55
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And the bird's bandaged finger goes wobbling back to the fire. and that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook hideous, with terror and slaughter return.