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Empty Vessels Make the Most Noise
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In this episode Andrew and Patrick discuss the frequent inverse relationship between expertise and confidence, and the importance of recognizing your own lack of knowledge.
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Introduction and Theme
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and the brave new world begin begins.
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When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and
Hosts Catch Up and Health Talk
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slaughter. return
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Hello, everybody. Thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're new listener just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
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And every week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim, and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom from these old sayings that's still relevant today. I am your host, Patrick Payne, and with me as always is my co-host, Andrew Stevens.
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Andrew, how are you man? Hey, I'm doing all right. ah The question is, how are you? yeah know Seems like I'm feeling a little under the weather today. i don't know what's going on, but figured, you know, for the fans, we'll bang out a 30 minute, you know, episode. They're not too long right and before I get to bed. So we'll, ah did we do this for you guys because we love you.
Family Road Trip Plans
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That's right. How you been? ah Yeah, it's it's been good. and Just, I'm getting ready for, a we're taking a little family road trip. So just kind of,
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getting Getting work squared away and then getting all the preparation you know squared away. So, yeah. Nice. That's what's going on over here.
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You going on any more fun? Hopefully we're going, we're doing a national parks road trip. Heck yeah. And, uh, we're going to hit up five parks in, uh, about 10 days, I think.
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And we're going to do, going to go down to Southern Utah. We'll hit up Canyonlands first. And, I've never been there, even though I've been in Utah for a while, still haven't been to, I think that might be the only, that the only Utah one I haven't been to? I think it might be.
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um And then going go to Arches where my wife and I've been, but the kids haven't. And then we'll go over into Colorado, hit up Mesa Verde and...
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the great sand dunes and the black Canyon of the Gunnison. Wow. I haven't heard of all those. Yeah. ah They, they're always, they're always adding new ones. And ah so if you have like the bucket list of, of hitting them all, it can be frustrating because they're, they're just, they're just adding them on.
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And so, yeah, like the, yeah, I think that the last two, I don't think I had heard of, they might be newer. maybe they were monuments before or state things. I don't know, but interesting we're hoping, and yeah, that we're, we're, we're prepared for if that last one just needs to be kind of a drive by and wave that we'll do that.
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but I didn't realize that they were adding new ones. Yeah. Yeah. um There's, a i think couple in the Midwest that didn't used to be there. And then, you know they're adding Alaska ones where they have,
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in and recent decades and which makes it
Challenges of Visiting All National Parks
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tricky. Cause I hear like looking at forums on the people who are trying to, trying to go out to all of them, getting in the Alaska parks is tricky. There's like six or seven up there now, I think.
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And seems like they'd be hard to get to. Yeah. Some of them really are. Some of them, you basically have to charter like a private plane and it's, it's a big deal. You gotta kind of save up for it.
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So how many national parks are there? Do you know the answer to that? I don't. I don't know off top my head. Let me look it up real quick. How many national... now I'm curious. Yeah.
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As of 2025, United States has 63. Okay. That's not undoable. You could do all those if you were so inclined. They just knock it off with adding them. Yeah.
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Yeah. I think the most ah out of way out of the way one that we've got in the bag is Dry Tortugas in the Florida Keys. Oh, cool.
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That one is a two-hour ferry ride out from Key West, so you have to get that far just to get there. What did you think of it? Was it worth going? It was cool.
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There were... There wasn't much there to... I mean, so there's a big old fort, like Civil War era, Fort Jefferson, big um brick fortress there that was used.
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I don't think it was ever used really as fort. It was used as a prison um during
Snorkeling with a Beard
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the during the war. um I think think it might have been controlled by the Union or After the war, it was used as a prison for Confederate prisoners.
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If I'm remembering right, I might i may not be. Please feel free to correct me, anyone who's listening. um But yeah, so it's cool. And there's there's some snorkeling there. So the family got to do some snorkeling. It was a cool thing to walk around this old ruined fortress.
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um But I think there's some other little the other little islands right around it. that if you have a private boat, you can go and can go visit that are technically in that park. But if you take the ferry out, you just can't get to them. So it's just – Biscayne National Park is similar where there's most of the park is out on the reef and on these islands that you just kind of need private boat to get to.
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So it's just kind of – It's one of those things. Question for you. Can you snorkel and with your beard? I have not tried oh have that with my beard. I don't think.
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trying to remember why yeah I snorkeled as a kid and I thought it was great. thought was really fun. yeah And then wife and I took a trip to Hawaii a couple years ago. And I've had a beard basically since my kids have been born.
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And it just kept ah you know, the part that seals around your nose and like the where the mustache is just yeah wasn't sealing. I was getting water at my nose and I had a terrible time. So i I don't think I have been snorkeling since...
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I don't think I had a beard at the time. And then so when we went to Florida, my wife did the snorkeling. I stayed with the baby. And, um, so I, I thought you were born with beard.
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It seems like such a part of you. Yeah. Yeah. I got to show you some of my, some my baby face. pictures Nice. Well, cool. Yeah. I hope you guys have fun on the, on your park tour. You're happy to let us know how it goes.
Exploring the 'Empty Vessels' Proverb
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Um, so we got a good one this week. You picked, you want to tell us about it?
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Sure. It's, gosh, where's empty vessels make the most noise is is one variation. There's there's a few few variations that came across one with like empty barrels, but this this one,
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the, I think there's some versions that go way back to antiquity, but Shakespeare really made it famous in Henry the fifth. So that's in the English tradition. That's kind of where it it's introduced.
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And, uh, I think it's in one of our, our, our frequent contributor Haywood. I think it's in one of his books. Yep. Proverbs. So yeah, that's, uh, that's where it is. I think I was just looking through our list of Proverbs, uh,
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and it looked interesting and it seemed like, I don't think too much of a overlap with stuff we've done in the past. That's always, that's always the the struggle. When we were first starting this podcast, we're like, or do we have enough, uh, uh, Proverbs to keep us going? And then,
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shortly we realized in a short order, we realized there's thousands of them. We'd keep us going forever. But, but the, what we didn't always realize is there's a lot of overlap between them. So we've got to kind of be careful of picking and not having the same conversation every, every week. Exactly.
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But yeah. So, so when you, when you found this one, does it, did something jump out at you? Was it a, did you think of ah an experience or something? You're like, oh I know this guy, you know, there's, there's a guy I'm thinking of that' the empty vessel or, or what made you, what jumped out at you?
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um
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I guess I don't know that i i was thinking I don't think I was thinking of a particular guy. ah we'd planned this for last week and we we weren't able to record last week. So um but I don't think at the time i was i was thinking of anyone in particular, but just kind of the the general trend of.
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maybe yeah Maybe I'd seen people online just yep kind of complaining and stuff, um as is always the case, and we're online a lot. ah that just yeah The people making the most racket you just aren't worth listening to, they're just they're kind of dull in many ways where you just um want to tune them out. and So I think that's probably it struck me.
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why it struck me Yeah.
Social Media and Amplified Noise
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um So my understanding of this is, ah you know, okay, so you're picking up a bunch of bottles or jars or something. And when they're empty, they kind of clink and make more noise than if they were full because it could, you know, absorb some of the sound.
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That being extrapolated to kind of life is... the people that have a little bit of integrity or have something, you know, substantial inside them don't go around running their mouth as much as much as that kind of what, what I'm to understand from this.
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Yeah, I think so. I think there's there's a couple ways that I, I think that way, certainly with, with integrity or with, with having just anything going on in life, but also I think, when it comes to intelligence maybe too.
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um Maybe that's also way to interpret it. Like just same thing, like dumb people run in their mouths and yeah it's they don't have much to say, but they're loud about it.
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um Yeah, so in that, yeah, the imagery being you've got like, yeah, take ah take a jar because those those get loud. put one rock in it and shake it around. like And you can just, that's really loud.
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If you put, if you fill it with rocks um and shake it, you can barely hear a thing just because there's nothing moving around. There's it's, it's all packed in there. So not, not making a big, a big racket.
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Yeah. Well, I've had experiences online where if you kind of have a little bit of a disagreement or something with someone who's got a following, you know, You can have their army of like followers come get you, you know, I had this experience just recently.
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And some them were like, oh my gosh, like there's definitely no IQ test to create Twitter account or a Facebook account or whatever, you know, and some of these people have like 13 followers and the comments, I'm like, that's the comment they decided to go with, huh?
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And so if you read every one of these things, it can, it can, it can kind of kind of bury you down. So I try not to stir the pot too much, you know, uh, intentionally, but you know, sometimes I can't help myself, but, um, but yeah, it's definitely true. Uh, if it's, it's rare that, uh,
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It's much more rare to find a comment that's insightful or funny or something like that. You have to dig through like 30 that are just yeah drivel. And this is nonsense. I'm like, why why would you even post this? This is not even saying anything, you know, and then, and then you get a, you get a good one. So ah definitely very common, I think.
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Yeah, it's true. it's And it seems like ah seems like people with bigger followings, it's like this ah they have this protective swarm that you just that, at least for me, I don't want to like i don't want to get the attention...
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of that, like, I don't want to, I don't want to poke at that big account because there's swarm of, of idiots is going to come after me and I just don't want to, so I just don't want to deal with it. Right. Your mentions are just, oh gosh. yeah that's It's like this armor.
Politics and Persistent Candidates
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It's this armor that they have from, from reasonable people who just do not want to get in arguments with, with idiots.
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Yeah. It's true. It's like the human, the human waves, like the Kings will send out the waves of the serfs that go fight for him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, totally true.
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um Yeah, no, I think this is a thing. It's, it's very common. um And in, i you know, I'm not a psychologist or something, so i don't really know what the, what the motivation is for it, but I can guess, you know, I can kind of speculate as to why that maybe,
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the people that don't have as much going on feel a little bit more insecure. So they tend to want to maybe talk or, or, yeah or say something because maybe they feel like they don't have a lot going on or they don't really know what too much, what they're talking about. So they, they figure maybe if if I comment on this issue, it'll, people will think that I, I know something.
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Yeah. Yeah. And, and the ones who are like orbiting around bigger people, it's, it is probably is that insecurity and like kind of saying, Well, if I'm attached to this person who i think has something going on, then I do too kind of by proxy. And and you know a lot of times that big account really doesn't. Like it's just kind of an inflated idea in the in in the sense of the little guy. Like he...
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um has just kind of the wrong view of himself and and other people and you know it's the the ah never meet your heroes thing like when you when you do meet someone who you've built up in your head as being really impressive and you find out there they're just people and sometimes not even great people it it's ah it's educational yes to say the least I would agree with that
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um
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so I've been getting more involved in like some local politics stuff. I've been attending some meetings and doing some stuff. I feel like it's kind of important. so I've been trying ah trying to get into this. and it's It's a little bit disappointing sometimes meeting people that are not necessarily important, but like a people who have a voice or they have a you know they've made themselves somebody in in state politics or local politics. and Some of these people are just...
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don't want to point names or like be too, too rude about it, but some of these people are just not impressive people at all. And they just kind of got a position because it just kept showing up to a bunch of meetings or something. You're like, man, this guy, i don't know.
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I don't know. Like the kind of stuff they say, you're like, bro, I don't know if you thought this one through, but um yeah, I, I, I agree with the, the, you know, you said, don't meet your heroes and these wouldn't be necessarily heroes, but people you might think would be really knowledgeable or really intelligent. And sometimes you meet them and you're just like, this, this is just a, this is just kind of a nobody.
Regional Identity in Politics
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Yeah. You think back, um, you think back to like high school and junior high and stuff where we have like the elections for, for the various officers and, um,
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you know, like the class secretary is running, you know, unopposed, right? And that that doesn't change when you move up the chain, like for a ways, right? It's just kind of who was interested in it, especially if it's a non, not super glamorous, but they're still somewhat influential because they they've got ah a public job, they've got a government job, but yeah, they're just not,
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not impressive, but they're, they're there. They're the ones making, um, making some decisions that, um, you know, normal people with a job maybe don't want to deal with, but they're, yeah.
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Well, I say like showing up is like 90%. And I, I used to think maybe that was like hyperbole or something, but now I'm like thinking that may not be an exaggeration at all. It's like, if you just show up, it's literally nine tenths of it.
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But there was a um there was a guy, ah well, i there actually have been several people like this that I've seen that I've kind of, like there was a guy I knew ah back when I lived in Arizona and he was like into politics and he was like running for some little office or something and and he lost.
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And then he like ran again for some other rinky dink little office and he lost. And then he like just kept doing this over and over. and I think he ended up in like the state legislature, like a state senator or something.
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yep And I'm trying and I, so I, I decided to like, see if I could find anybody that like, continued to run and like never made it anywhere. And it's ah honestly kind of rare.
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yeah i mean, i mean unless says unless it's someone who's really weird, you get some people who are like extremely weird, can't even have a conversation. Those people maybe. But if it's like someone who's at least halfway normal, who can like have a conversation and they keep running for stuff, they just they just end up winning something eventually.
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just kind of scar It is. it is like when you, when you pay attention to that, like, you know, I've, I think I've, I've been in one place long enough that I, that I am seeing that here, like our, know, one of our our senators in our, our state,
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um Before this, he was a congressman. Before that, um I think he might have been a mayor. And before that, um I think he was like in county politics, but for the other party.
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but but was But he just kept coming back, right? He kept coming back um and and worked his way. And that's that's how you do it You get the name recognition. You keep going up. And so so now when I see people in in other states who who pop up, there's some of these like gadfly politicians who just like the attention and they seem like they'll move like state to state trying to run for Congress.
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and And you just think they're gonna they're going to win eventually. They're going to win. they'renna like they're They're going to find a place. They're going find an angle and someone's going to vote for them. They're going to get in. Like it's just a matter of time.
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And it looks silly now, but they they know what they're doing. They know that it's it's a long game and eventually they'll they'll get in somewhere. It's just kind of depressing. It can be, yes.
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And yeah, that kind of stuff drives me crazy because I've become more of a, I don't know what the word would be,
Party Lines and Empty Speeches
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like a regionalist kind of. Where respect the people, you know, of of the place where you're living.
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And, you know, I don't have anything against necessarily someone coming moving into a place as long as they kind of respect the place where they're. where they're at. And it seems like a lot of these times in politics, especially you get like a conservative politician, they're in a Republican party or something. And they're just interchangeable. It doesn't matter if they're in Montana or Missouri or or West Virginia, they're just, you move them around and then they're it's the same thing.
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And you're like, is that really what it's supposed to be like? Are they supposed to be like representing the people? And I get they're all like red States, you know, but like they're not, you know, Montana isn't West Virginia. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm, I'm,
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I'm very much in that camp as well. I think I'm all for a resurgence of, of regional identity of regional cultures. And yes.
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And I think, um, I think it'd make the country a more interesting place. Cause when you, if you go on a road trip to the next state over and it's, it's kind of different, kind of, like that's kind of great.
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I mean, you get the experience of going to a different country almost, but get to use the same money. I don't know. but yeah So it's, yeah um, and then, you know, people can also be proud and and celebrate their local traditions and festivals and, um, which I think is also pretty cool. And so, yeah, it's the, the mono down with the mono culture and, um,
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And part of that is is electing people who who care who care about the local culture and want to want to foster it and and protect it. So yeah, i'm I'm with you there.
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Yeah. And the other part is repealing the 17th amendment, but we don't need to go too much into that. ah That's the one where they, you can do that with, ah go into that with Braxton. I'll go to it with that with Braxton. Yeah. Rocky mountain radio. Check out my other pocket.
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um It's good. They're multiplying. um But, but yeah, um
Perception of Noisy Individuals
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to kind of tie it back into the, into the, into the proverb. Yeah, man, it's like, ah i would i would define those people very much as an empty vessel when they're just kind of repeating party platitudes.
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or various things and, and, and they're completely interchangeable with the next one. And they just repeat these party lines and they go and they get the applause from the, the red meat crowd. And then, you know, like you said, some of them just move around and they just bounce from here to there. Sometimes party to party, or they just, they just, and they just deliver the line and then they get, they get what they want, which is to be in, in charge.
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Yeah. And then, you know, kind hand in hand with that ah are the ones who will just kind of change the, you know based on the wind of public opinion, just completely change their position and just kind of expect people to not notice or just pretend that they didn't.
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you know You see that with pretty prominent people. I think you know the California governor comes to mind. He he seems just this kind of say what people want to hear in a very brazen way.
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um think I've seen it in some international politics as well. So yeah, it's just It's wild. They just kind of make the noise that but people want them to make. That guy is crazy. You're talking about Newsom?
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Yeah. don't want to get too political about it, but I saw him, I saw at least clips of an interview him with, I think it was Charlie Kirk or some conservative guy. And you'd think they would have like disagreed and like argued, but it was mostly just him like,
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you know, politicking and just laughing and joking and like making people like him. I was like, man, that's wild. That's just kind who he is. He seems, I mean, he, he's, he's got a great, he's got great gimmick. I don't He's, he's handsome. He's charismatic. He's got a beautiful family. Like, yeah. Um,
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And because he seems to have no principles, he could make a great Republican, I guess. He could. If he just decided to switch. But that's the scary thing about him, is he could just do anything. He could be anyone.
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But yeah, he's... He's very charismatic. Yeah. I think I might've seen clips from that interview or just not to pick on the Democrats. There are some Republicans that I can think of right off the top. certainly. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So, um, what do you think about this, this is proverb in terms of what people, society thinks about it? Is this something that they, the society respects or acknowledges or people kind of oblivious to this one?
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No, i think I think it's one where there's just a lot of amnesia about it, maybe with especially especially you know a lot going along this political
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kind of line we're going down. like people um if If someone agrees with them, they're not an empty vessel, right? But if someone agrees against them, they are and and So I think people are are selectively blind to this one.
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um But in more like interpersonal ways, I think it definitely people see it. You know, like there's there's someone like this at work at every job. there's the the There's always someone who like does a lot of the complaining and stuff who really has no cause to complain or just it's not worth it. Like, why is this kind of wondering why this person is still here? They contribute the least and make the most noise.
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So there's, I think there's a a lot of that that people relate to. Yeah. No, I think you're right about that. Um, yeah the, the, the amnesia thing I think is right on cause everyone, everyone wants to, you know, they forget what happens five seconds ago.
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For sure. Yeah.
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um Of course, with ah with everything in our life nowadays, like it social media adds an element to it, right? and Yeah. And it's kind of... ah it's like We talked about the person who runs for office over and over.
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like You can see that with ah someone on social media too. It's it's not always the person who posts the best stuff. It's the person who posts the most. Yeah. someone Someone pointed out, like speaking of of X in particular...
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Um, and the way the algorithm boosts people and stuff, someone pointed out that like the accounts that get a lot of following, they get, they get posted a lot. They're always replying to other big accounts. And now that I've, now that I've, someone pointed that out, I, I see it everywhere and it's so true. It's like, yeah, these, these, that's kind of how you game, game the algorithm right now. As you, you get in there and you comment, you get in there you just grind out these comments, do,
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hundreds of them every day. That's how you get to be a big account. And then the question being, you know is it worth it? Is it worth demeaning yourself by ah by being a...
00:25:53
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a blue check reply guy. And for me personally, no, it is not worth it. For a potential $48 check, you know, maybe. Yeah, exactly. There's one account in particular drives me crazy. I don't want to call them out, but it's it's just like that. And all of the replies are just inane, just like, this is totally true. or You know, spot on, you know, i' all these big accounts. and now he's got like 100,000 followers. I'm like, how? what What are you doing, man? It's just filling the air with slop.
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Yeah, just being being a yes man. Yeah. yep Yeah, it's it's interesting. But but it's ah it's a good question, though, because, you know, you're on people online, someone online, like, as far as being like a full a full person, a full vessel, i don't know that anyone, any like online account or persona,
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really comes across as like a full person. Like, I don't know that you can, I don't know that you can present yourself in that kind of way. Like, um, it's just, it's kind of a, an empty vessel machine. Like even, even if you try, i don't know, like it's so much of it seems like a performance.
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Um, and you just like the way you get to know a person in real life is you just can't do that really online. Um, at least completely or or in and any great quantity, I guess.
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So it's it's just always going to be kind of kind of fake and kind of kind of empty, and especially the ones making the most racket are probably going to be the most um
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different from from how they are in real life or or their opinions.
Teaching Children to Listen and Observe
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so Yeah, probably so. Okay, so... I have a question for me. want to get your thoughts on, um, uh, do you have any thoughts on how, like, let's say you're teaching your kids about this sort of principle. Is this, there is there a something, some way to make sure that you avoid this trap of, of being a noisy empty vessel or, um, you know, ah yeah.
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maybe remaining silent when, when you, I don't know, when you don't have anything to say or I don't know. I just, rethink that came, that came to mind um when you were asking ah kind of, kind of the mean, kind of a mean thing that people used to do to kids. And maybe it's not so mean, but the whole be ah be seen, not heard and thing with with kids, right? Like children should be seen, not heard kind of speaks to this and kind of, I think in,
00:28:42
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a legitimate way that, you know, kids are always learning and they are sponges about learning from what they see and experience. And so if you're in a ah mixed setting with adults and kids, like, and, but it's more of like the adults, you know, it's an an an adult space.
00:29:02
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um That's when maybe kids should just, I mean, they are, they are paying attention, but maybe they should be also encouraged, especially, know, when they're kind of on the cusp of wanting the attention at least, like yeah to, to observe and maybe it's worth, and it's worth pointing out.
00:29:23
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ah maybe I think maybe that, maybe that's where this falls flat where the the idea of, children should be seen, not heard. Maybe you need, there needs to be instruction there to say, all right, pay attention to what you're seeing.
00:29:36
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yeah Pay attention, attention to what you're hearing so that you can contribute in the future. So process like, so pay attention. Um, and so, yeah, I don't know.
00:29:49
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Um, I guess that's, that's what what comes to mind for me. What about you? Yeah, no, I think that's a really good point about, uh, Um, cause I was thinking, you know, maybe just teach to kind of remain silent, but more than that is the, like the act of listening, you know, and trying to learn, I think is a really good point.
00:30:06
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I think if people did that more, um you know, we probably have a little bit less of the, of the, of the, uh, the yes manning and the, and the ridiculous nonsense that you see online.
00:30:19
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Um, because, because I mean, I've thought about just cutting ties and getting off all, but entirely, but then you'll see people who really make good points and, And maybe they don't have as big of a following as some of the some of the stupid posters.
00:30:32
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But some people really make interesting interesting things. And you'll find these little gold nuggets of people really thinking thinking about interesting issues. and And so I do appreciate that. So um hopefully we can all try to be a little bit more like that and and speak up when we have something to say. And otherwise otherwise try to listen and learn.
00:30:52
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would be a good advice.
Conclusion and Reflection
00:30:53
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Yeah, that's good advice for everyone. Well, thanks for bringing this one to our attention, man. This was a good one. And thanks everyone for listening. We will see you guys all next week. All right, we'll see you. Bye.
00:31:03
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There are only four things certain since social progress began. That the dog returns to his vomit. That the sow returns to her mind. And the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wobbling back to the park.
00:31:20
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And that after this is accomplished and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sin.
00:31:30
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As surely water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook hideous with terror and slaughter and hurt.