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One Year's Seeding Makes Seven Years Weeding
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In this episode Andrew and Patrick discuss starting and growing a garden, the benefits that growing your own food can bring, and how a small amount of maintenance every day can avoid major problems down the road.
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Introduction to Copybook Headings Podcast
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and the brave new world begin begins.
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When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter. return
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Hello everybody and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast.
Meet the Hosts and Current Conditions
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If you're a new listener just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
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And every week week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom from these old proverbs that's relevant today. I'm your host Patrick Payne and with me as always is my co-host Andrew Stevens.
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Andrew, how are you doing bud? I am. I'm doing all right. Just springtime and the we have a cold snap springtime and and feels like feels like winter Everyone's sick and Yeah, but but we're getting there.
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We're getting there. You guys healthy there now? You getting over your cold? Yeah, i think i think last week you got you all could hear it in me and it's still like lingering a little bit, but I think I sound more normal now.
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But yeah, it's a lingering one. It's weird. it's like It liner has lingered more for for me and my wife than for the kids. They you know brought it home, but usually usually we get it milder than they do, not this time.
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Seems like how it was with my wife too. She's been still battling hers. So I think we got the same thing. ah but you will but you But you look like a million bucks. So I'm glad you're here. and your Your voice is almost back to normal. 90% back. 90%.
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Yep. yep so
Spring's Arrival and Gardening Plans
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All right. Cool. Well, ah you we got springtime coming. ah We have kind of a springtime proverb today.
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Even though it's we kind of are in the middle of second winter here in the Mountain West, yeah this should be over soon and real spring should be coming. Yeah, that's right. like you know if you're ah If you're a gardener, you at least have your seedlings going inside or in the garage or something. And and people are getting ready to, as soon as they get the all clear here from from the almanac, the ah everyone will get their gardens going.
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So yeah, it's on my mind a bit. and yeah um i'm not i'm I get worse at gardening every year. um ah Worse at it, less ambitious about it, but, but the, the garden is still there and I will, I'll do a little bit with it this year. Yeah. We're hoping to get ours going last year. Didn't happen either. So we're, we're waiting for the,
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the the weather around here to, Oh, um, do you mind if I shill something real quick?
Introducing Rocky Mountain Radio
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Is it your new project? I hear my new project. Yeah. Yeah. Real quick. So my new, um, speaking of mountain West, if you're, if you live in the mountain West area, one of these States and you're interested in local politics, I have a new podcast with my friend Braxton, who's been on a guest on the show.
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yeah Um, he and I are doing a podcast called Rocky mountain radio. You can find that on all your favorite pod catchers. So if you're interested in that and you live around here, check it out. Yeah, I think it's ah it's a cool project. So I'm i'm glad you're glad you guys are doing it.
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um And i hope you can keep Braxton on task. and Yeah, yeah he's he's awesome. So we're excited to we're excited to do that. I feel like there's there's a lot of... I mean, everyone wants to talk national politics and it's just... yeah's There's white noise, but I feel like there's a little bit of a gap for local politics. so Yeah, definitely. Like, yeah, regional regional stuff. There's a lot of...
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Big issues in every region. And think foremost for us, the Mountain West issues are are on
Gardening Struggles and Solutions
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our minds. and And when they do crop up in the national issues, you have to deal with everyone from everywhere else with their with their great ideas for for how we should live. Exactly.
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And have to have to fight back against that, which I see you guys doing online. So um it's cool that you guys are taking it to a taking it to the podcast. Yeah.
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Yeah. So, um but we'll still be doing this one. So we'll, i'll ah yeah you know, we'll keep tuning in here. um But yeah, thanks for letting me digress a little bit there. ah You want to lay the po lay the proverb on us for this week?
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Yeah. It's, uh, let's see here. One year's seeding makes seven years weeding, which is so true. And, uh, so real, so real. I was looking, so I, um, I maybe about, so has it been seven years? I think maybe it has been seven years.
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I built, um, ah a we've been in this house maybe for eight and I think maybe the next year I built these raised garden beds for our backyard. There's kind of a ah weedy patch that I wanted to turn into a garden. So I made these beds. We put down like gravel all around them, really beautiful and made them out of cedar and and redwood and stuff and and just really, really pretty. Filled them up with dirt and have done gardening and you know progressively every year to get more weathered and bowed bode and
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rotted and and then the the weeds also have been just take you know they take over as soon as you get as soon as they get in those beds like first couple years were great because they're pretty isolated but once they get in there they're there and so this this this one when I was looking through our list really really spoke to me in that regard I think there's other places we can take this but but I'm happy to talk about the literal ah practical application of this one too Yeah, no, I thought it was an interesting one when you sent it over and reminded me of the garden that we have, which is just a big, we don't even have any cedar boxes or anything. It's just a ah carved off little, our yard's kind of a little bit of an L and the little leg of the L is just a mud pit where we were like, this is going to be our garden.
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And then yeah we didn't ever do anything with it. So we bought like a a little, ah you know, kind of picket fence type of material, like white, like a,
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you know And we're going to do like a little fence to kind of fence it off and with a little gate. And so that whole area can be garden and then we need to build boxes. And so we got our work work cut out for us this spring.
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Yeah. do So with that fence, do you have, um do you get like deer in your yard and stuff like that or or other critters or is it just more, more cosmetic We have deer all over, um but we have a kind of a, like a vinyl fence, like a kind of a privacy fence. So they haven't been in the yard since then.
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Um, yeah. So it's mostly just cosmetic. Okay. Yeah. I, you I, I grew up in an area where, you know, suburban, we did not have, we did not have like deer running around the neighborhood.
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And so like, it it never occurred to me until I was, I was living with a friend and, um, And i i was I was unemployed or or sporadically employed. So big part of I was just do stuff around the house, around his yard um to kind of pay my pay my way.
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And I was like, you know, I'm going to plant a little garden here. And, you know, as soon as things started sprouting, I come out one day, all gone. And because we're out on the edge, we're a little more on the edge of the county there. And yeah, sure enough, the deer had come through and saw all the delicious treats I planted for them. and yeah So, yeah, it's a now that's on my mind. We don't have it here where I live, but I wonder.
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I've also been places where, you know, they got massive, you know, six eight foot tall you know wire fencing around to keep deer elk bears everything you know out of out of their little out of the orchards and stuff like that anyway i dig i mean we haven't had a problem yet but then again we haven't had any treats for them so maybe when we start growing our delicious uh veggies they'll come figure out a way to get in but um we yeah we we we we haven't had that issue yet so
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um But yeah you did you find anything about the history of this proverb?
Exploring 'One Year's Seeding Makes Seven Years Weeding'
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um the The best I could do was with some sources saying it was an American proverb um and it listed, I think, 1866. So I'm guessing it might there might have been published in ah and some kind of book of proverbs or or something um from America.
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So that's that's where I found it. Okay, cool. Is this generally kind of just talking about gardening or is this applied a broader range of things, you think? um I mean, definitely would we've got more that this applies to, but you know the the literal more direct term, right? you If you let weeds in your garden, like they're going to come in, right?
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But the key is to get them before they go to seed. So when you're seeding, right? So you've got that, that brief window when the weeds sprout up to pull them out before, before they go to seed and, and leave more seeds in your, in your garden. So, um, I mean, that, that principle to me sounds like other things in life, like with, um, with bad habits or or, allowing bad behavior in your children,
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um things like that, where once they get set in, they're much harder to get rid of. They can be gotten rid of, but it takes it takes more effort. Yeah, that's interesting. i didn't I guess I kind of misunderstood it. I was thinking the seeding of the the planting of your flowers or the plants or whatever, but it's talking about when the when the weeds themselves start to to go to seed. Yeah.
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Okay. so So, yes, talking about you know nipping bad things in the bud before they exacerbate. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, definitely. Cool. Yeah, I like it.
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um So how do you how do you get rid of the weeds early? Do you just have to get them as soon as they come up or talk to us about it? Tell us your green thumb gardening skills here.
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Yeah, when ah when I do have success in in controlling the weeds in in the yard, because I don't... Um, I don't, I love to spray my, my garden. I like to, I'm a, I'm an organic gardener. We'll call it that.
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Um, uh, not that I would trust myself to not just kill all my plants when I tried to kill the weeds, but that's probably the bigger concern. Um, but you know, you got what, what you need to do is you need to get into a routine and a habit where you're out there every day for, you know, if you have a small garden like mine, you're out there 20, 30 minutes,
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just pulling up the weeds, just checking, checking in on everything and see if there's any bugs in there too. And, but you're just, just pull them up, pull them up. And every day you're just pulling little weeds.
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And because if you don't do that every day, if you're trying to do it like every week or every two weeks, you're pretty soon you're pulling up the big weeds and maybe, maybe they've already, you know, gone to seed. Maybe those dandelions already,
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Got the nice you know puff balls on top that are blowing around yard. Yeah, this is a ah good one because a lot of the proverbs that we've heard and talked about over the you know what year and a half we've done this now, how long has been?
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it been about that long? It's been a while. Yeah. Has it been two years? but Two years? Yeah. I don't i
Life Lessons from Gardening
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don't even remember more when we started. ah But yeah, over the course of the time that we've done the podcast, we've kind of noticed these patterns of drawing wisdom from the natural world, right? Whether it be from like animal husbandry or farming, gardening, crops, anything like that, you can learn these life lessons from this. And I think ah having a garden is a really good way to to kind of instill these values in you. You'll kind of start noticing the way that the world works by watching your plants.
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In addition to being healthy and being a good way to get yourself outside um rather than sitting around inside on the couch. um, eating some really good food, maybe put more vegetables in your diet. So, um, I know this isn't like a gardening podcast per se, but I, I, I think now's a really, now's the perfect time to do it. So if you're listening to this, thinking about, you on the fence about planting a garden, I think, I think should do it.
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Yeah, i i agree. I think it's, um, it's good skills. It's good. Um, it's a good way to orient yourself and, and as a reference point for how you get the rest of your food, because you know, you're not, you're not going to grow enough that that's all you're, you're eating. Right.
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Like, um, you're pretty, you're gonna pretty ah hardcore homesteader, uh, legit farmer to, to be doing that stuff. And, you know there's, there's some of them out there, but, but otherwise, yeah, like you're, um,
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it does help you like kind of tap into understanding what some of these older proverbs are about, um understanding seasonality, understanding um just the small things that can go wrong and and ruin your day.
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ah But yeah, even if it's just ah something, you know, a tomato plant in a pot on your on your steps, like you can grow any you can grow something anywhere. strawberries there. Those are really easy to grow. They'll, they'll come back if you can, you can abuse them and they'll come back. um I've heard raspberries are like that too. Is that true?
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Yeah. Yeah, they are. Well, I guess, I guess maybe it depends on, on where you are, but yeah. And then there's some that we planted some, some blackberries. um I grew up in a very blackberry overgrown area, the big brambles everywhere.
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And I think I missed them, at least the berries, because you could just pull off the side of the road and just, you know, fill a bucket of them. And, and it's starting to, it's getting a little out of control. I think it's like, it's like planting mint. Mint is another one where it goes crazy.
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So yeah, I, I'm not a big mint fan anyway, so I would never want that in my yard, but blackberries I might. And we've planted, we planted some raspberry starts last year, think,
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But our the dog was a little puppy and she would see these little starts and be like sticks. Yeah. Yeah. like sticks. And she just work them right out. And so we had the heck of a time. We had to like try to fence it in and put chicken wire around. And then she was digging under it or trying to get us like, oh, this is a game.
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They're trying to yeah hide the sticks from me and I'll get them. And won't dad be proud of me getting these sticks and solving the riddle, solving the puzzle. So I think she's old enough now that she'll leave them alone.
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I hope.
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I had a dog do that with a ah cherry tree start where it's just a stick, you know? Yeah. What's this toy in the middle of the yard? Yeah, exactly. Um, but, oh, so it's funny. You mentioned, um, you know, you probably won't be growing food for your whole family. um but you can, you can actually offset quite a bit. but We, um, with actually not too much space if you do it right.
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my uh my mom had an opportunity one time to to travel to china she was a a teacher educator and so through her school she did like a teacher exchange thing and so she went to china for a while stayed with this chinese family and then the the chinese lady came to our house and stayed with us for a little bit and uh one of the things she said when she saw my my mom's yard, our yard.
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It wasn't a very big yard, but it was like, um she was talking about how she's going to make a garden. She was like, oh yes, this is, this is good. This is enough. And she's like, she's like, what do you mean? She's like enough, enough space to feed your family.
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And she's like, well, that's interesting. Cause that's kind of how her mindset was working was, do you have enough plot of land to, to grow food for your family? like And yeah, you know So I guess you know I'm not a good enough gardener to know exactly how to do that best.
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Potatoes, maybe. I don't know if they're pretty calorie dense, but yeah, you can you can even if that's... I mean, most people listening are probably still going to go to the grocery store, but if you want to offset some costs of some vegetables and stuff, it's it's it really you can get a really good harvest sometimes out of a small garden.
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Yeah. ah Something I aspire to.
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But for now, it's more – I think now that my kids are – my oldest is finally old enough. i think this year is going to fun. We're going to – she's going to kind of take take a little more ah ownership of some things. I wanted to plant some some sunflowers for them. I think they wanted to and wanted some sunflowers. Well, we'll do that, and i'll be fun to watch them get big. and
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Yeah, it's –
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So yeah, if ah they'll they'll make up for my other failed efforts in the garden if if i can get if I can get them a little more interested in it. You know, this seems like a common thing, though, when people are like, oh, I tried a garden, it didn't work out. so But yeah I feel like if you've had bad experiences with gardens, just try again.
Climate-Suitable Gardening
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you know um mean Every year there's another chance to to give it another crack. And we've lived in a bunch of different places and we had one house where we had a pretty decent garden. And then we ended up moving like right after that season.
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um But I don't, I don't really know what we did exactly other than just kind of paying attention to it, but we found the right stuff for the climate we were in and we had some pretty good stuff. And we said tomatoes and cucumbers and all sorts of stuff. So it's fun.
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Yeah. That's an important one. Like understanding, understanding your area is important where, you get, you get these lofty ideals where you want to plant all these things. Well, some of them just aren't going to do great where you are. It's just a fact.
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Like it'd be nice if you could have a garden full of like blueberry bushes or whatever. Right. But like, maybe you just don't live in a blueberry area. You just got to get, got to deal with it and, and find stuff that grows well where you are. and There's lots of resources for that kind of stuff. Like your, whatever your local ag school is, they've got good, good information.
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Yeah. Everyone's, every place is like a different zone, right? Like a climate zone. Yeah, exactly.
Proverb Application to Life
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um And I fall into this cause I was, always see the stuff at the store.
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like, Ooh, a fig tree. That'd be kind of cool. Yeah. Just like, yeah they're like, well, yeah, you can do it, but you got to like, pack it, you got to cover it with straw all winter and like, right all this, like, like, no, that's like pass. let me Yeah, exactly.
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Um, but yeah, if you can find something that you, will your you and your family will eat, I think it's a worthwhile endeavor. Um, i kind of wanted to pivot a little bit and talk a little bit about the, maybe some of the broader, um, um applicability of this ah proverb. but um This one goes along with a lot of the ones that we've talked about already where um almost like, ah you know, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure type of thing. It's kind of what it seems like. It seems to be relating to that one.
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Yeah, that's there's there's good overlap there. um Yeah, it's about it's about staying on staying on top of things so they don't get out of control. um And ah yeah, like I think right now what we're dealing with, like what I'm thinking of is is my three-year-old.
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she's She's kind of getting into the and said tantrums and stuff and just being defiant about things and wanting things her way. And and it's... um You really need, you need a strategy going into that kind of thing.
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Uh, our, our oldest didn't really do this. So this is kind of new to us. Um, but you you need it. You need a strategy to avoid one caving in or, you know, reinforcing bad, reinforcing that behavior.
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Cause she's old enough and smart enough that she's, you know, she's testing us on things. It's not just, uh, it's not completely, it's, it's not completely just, um, emotion. Like she's, I think there's a little bit of reasoning behind there. So, um, so that's on my mind trying to think, okay, well, when she's like this, what do we, what do we do? What do we not do?
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um and then like being on the same page with, with your wife about it and having, having the same ground rules and approach. And then like anyone else who might help out, like grandparents that trying to, so that everyone's on the same page and try and just kind of nip this behavior, behavior in the bud. Cause you don't want, you don't want to continue on when they go to school. Right. You don't want to, you want this happening at at church. You don't want this happening in, you know, in public, you know, we just want to try try and take care of it. So that's, that's what I've been thinking about a lot.
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Yeah, for sure. I think that's really good point with parenting because, uh, consistency is so, so key there. Although it's also important not to beat yourself up too much if your kids decides do, cause every kid's a little bit different. So if some of your strategies don't work or at first, uh, like the garden, if it dies the first year, it, keep trying. It'll be okay. It'll be fine.
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Um, ah yeah, but I, I was gonna, um,
Clutter Prevention in Home and Life
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Yeah. um One of the things I was going to mention is when, you know, when you get busy, the house starts to get a little messier. It seems like and if you if you're not keeping up on the fact the the household chores.
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Well, in our, the master bedroom, my wife and will like, you know, get ready and stuff. And sometimes we'll throw clothes around here on the chair or on the floor or here and there. And what I've noticed is once it starts getting messy, you just keep throwing stuff on the floor because it's already there. yeah And then we'll but go through and usually her should go through and clean it all up and make it look really nice.
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And then I noticed when it, when the floor is nice and clean, I don't throw anything on the floor. i'm like, Oh, this goes in the hamper. I have to hang this back up. I have to do this, that, and the other, because it's already there. So it's a lot easier to maintain it.
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Once you've got it versus letting it get out of control. And then it's like, oh, what the heck's the point, you know? But it's not like even a conscious choice. It seems like something psychological kind of subconscious where you're just, once you're on it, you keep it. And when you lose it, you kind of, it devolves.
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Yeah, that's that's a great one too. where That's something we're really trying to do because it's just clutter central, ah especially with but the kids and getting them. So like my my my goal, my ah my my title, my my self self-appointed title here, I'm making myself the table czar.
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Okay. Where, so first off, just trying to make sure that the kitchen table is cleared off. Yeah. Because kids love to bring their stuff and have it like their little knickknacks, even dinnertime and stuff.
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um But I want to, I'm trying to do that for the whole house, right? So like tables, desks, counters, they're clear. And because, because it's exactly, you're exactly right. Like that principle where if it's, if it's clear, if it's clean, you don't want, like, there's something about it as a reminder, like, oh, I need to put that where it goes. I can't just leave that on the counter. I can't leave that on the desk.
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And so I'm just trying to be like, if, if, if those horizontal surfaces of the house can be, um thought of that way, hopefully, you know, it will help snowball putting things away.
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as that is what I'm working on inside the house these days. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. I think that's a a good, good strategy to have. I remember my parents used to always talk about the horizontal surfaces too. you Give me yeah flashbacks to being a kid.
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I'm terrible about it too. Anytime there's a horizontal surface crap just starts to accumulate on it. Oh yeah. Me too. um My desk gets really, really cluttered like throughout the week. I'll like, I'll clean it up at the end of the week, like a Friday afternoon, my work from home desk. And then,
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But yeah, like as the week goes on, it fills up with you know monster cans and whatever else I got here, paperwork and yeah string cheese wrappers or whatever. So yeah, it's just...
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what's worst What's the worst for me is my workbench in my garage. I built a pretty cool workbench. so I found some plans online this since years and years ago. I've moved it all over the country. I i love this bench.
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It's really big and heavy duty, so it doesn't wobble or anything when you work on it, which is great. um I like woodworking when it's not fine finish work stuff. Cause I feel like I yeah don't have the aesthetic touch for that. But if it's like rough stuff, I'm like, yeah, that's fine. I can do that.
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So anyway, this thing is pretty big. It's like, I don't know how long it is. Eight feet long, 10 feet long. It's it's pretty long. Eight feet. She'd apply wood long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And, um, and so, uh, but yeah, I mean, especially now, cause it's like wintertime is over.
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I wasn't out in the garage a lot working. It's just piled full of crap. You know, there's kids, bikes, tires on there and there's tools strewn about. And I'm like, I gotta get that. gotta get that thing looking good in the spring. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's ah it is a battle. um What do you do to stay motivated in this battle against these weeds, against this clutter?
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Oh, man. I don't know if I'm the right person to talk to about that. But yeah, I mean, just keep trying, I guess. and it's a I think a lot of it's mental. A lot of it is ah when you start saying, I don't care and I give up.
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That's when things kind of get real bad. So whether it be keeping your house clean or keeping your garden going or staying staying fit, like there's no... there's just, it's an open-ended
Motivation and Parenting Strategies
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thing.
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So, I mean, if you've failed a hundred thousand times, like that's okay. Try it. Just keep trying, try again. You never know which one's going to be the one that, that that clicks. ah Try something a little different, maybe tweak it, change it up a little bit. Say I ah tried this last time, but this time I'm going to,
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you know i and I've tried doing it after work and you know going to the gym and it wasn't working. so I'm going to try something else or, you know what i mean? Switch it up a little bit, see see what works for you. um But yeah, I don't know. the the The motivational hype stuff I think doesn't last very long. You just gotta to keep just got to keep plugging away at it.
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any Any goal worth doing you're go to have is going to be kind of long-term. Yeah. yeah Yeah, that's what i'm that's what I'm finding too. like like Experimenting to find the sweet spot is is worth doing instead of being rigid about it. Because we you know we talked the other day about like the morning routine thing, right?
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like You have it in your mind what it's going to be. um But when you fail with something like that, it can be pretty demoralizing rather than rather than just taking it as well.
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that activity at that time just doesn't work. So I need to find another one. Cause like for me with the gym, like i was trying all different types of days or times a day. And like after, you know, afternoon, okay. After I'm done with most of my work, I'll go to the gym, but I'd be totally run down by then.
00:28:05
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And so like now, and and I, and I'm not like a, go at 6 a.m person either so i found like oh if i go like right on right before work on these days like that's perfect for me like i might i might show up to work just a little bit late on those days you know work it's easier to fill it in on the the afternoon and um just so it took me a while to took me a while to experiment and find the sweet spot but i think i found it and i've been a lot better with, with getting to the gym.
00:28:33
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So yeah, it's, um, worth, worth experimenting and and not getting down on yourself when you, when you fail a few times. Yeah, that's it, man. And ah we were just talking to my son about this. This is one or one, we have one kid that's kind of more difficult than others. He's got some, got some issues and some various things that he deals with and, and, um, life's a little bit harder for him because of the, some of the, you know, mental struggles he has and,
00:28:56
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And I was talking to him just today about some of the stuff he was frustrated and down on himself and saying, you know, why am I like this? Why does all, but you know, kids get that. And I'm trying to kind of talk to him like, you know, well, let's look at, you know, kind of some of his behavior issues and stuff. Let's look, let's pull back and look at it as if we're like a dispassionate third-party observer and just say, okay, well, what's going on here in this situation and what can we do to fix it?
00:29:21
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And try to remove the the shame and the the guilt and the the negative feelings about it. If you can try to do that and it's you know easier said than done, it's not always easy to do that. But if you're able to try, just give that a shot and try to see if you can be like, all right,
00:29:35
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What's going on with my, with my, yeah you know, keeping my, keeping my room clean. It's not working. All right. Well, what have I been trying? Okay. This, this, this, and this, and this, rather than being like, I'm a piece of crap because I'm a slob and I can't keep my, keep my space neat, you know?
00:29:49
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So if you can, if you can just kind of look at it as like a science project and you're tweaking different, you know, stimuli here to try to, to try to get the result that you want, uh, versus, you know, we're versus getting down on yourself for feeling shame for it. I think that's much higher rate of success.
00:30:07
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Yeah. Yeah.
Podcast Wrap-up
00:30:09
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So anyway, yeah, this, uh, we're about out of time, but this is a, this is a good one. I like it. And, uh, you should what, okay.
00:30:19
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Tell us, tell us what it is one more time. One year seeding. One year's seeding makes seven years weeding. One year seeding makes seven years weeding. That's a good one. Yeah, get out plant your gardens, you guys. And thanks for listening.
00:30:34
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right, thanks, everyone. We'll see you. Bye. There are only four things certain since social progress began. That the dog returns to his vomit.
00:30:46
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That the sow returns to her mom. and the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wobbling back the fire. And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings, with terror and slaughter and eternity,