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The Axe Forgets; the Tree Remembers
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In this episode Andrew and Patrick discuss how relatively small acts on the part of a parent, government, or corporation can have massive impacts on those their actions affect.
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Introduction to 'Copybook Headings' Podcast
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and the brave new world begins.
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When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter. return
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Hello everybody and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
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And every week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's any ancient wisdom from these old proverbs that's still relevant today.
Catch-Up with Hosts Patrick and Andrew
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I am your host Patrick Payne and with me as always is my co-host Andrew Stevens.
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Andrew, how are you? How are you, man? i'm I'm doing all right. How are you? Good. We had a little break last week, unforeseen, but we're back at it. ah Hopefully you guys didn't miss us too bad. ah and have a We're back.
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um How was your i was your last two weeks? haven't spoken to you. It was good. we We took a little family trip overnight trip down to Southern Utah and did some hiking with the kids and it was a lot of fun um so yeah i had a good good weekend last week we were back um you know back in time for all the easter celebrations on on sunday and so yeah it was it was a nice easter weekend yeah you told me you guys were going down there where exactly where are you at it again
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ah We went to Goblin Valley State Park. It's in the middle of nowhere, southern in Utah. Closest town is called Hanksville. It's like a town of 200. So if that puts in any perspective for people.
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It's actually, it's it's um nearby there is where the... um, the robbers roost, um, that which which gang was that? The, uh, was that, was that Butch Cassidy? Was that, I can't remember so which of those outlaw groups there, but they had their very remote kind of hideout in the canyons out there. And there's a lot of slot canyons.
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Um, so we we tried taking the the kids up one of those and we had a good little hike, but, um, The littlest ran out of steam before things got really fun. And so the preschooler and I were like, okay, we're going to set a timer. We've got an extra 10 minutes. We'll go as far as we can in 10 minutes. We'll turn around.
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Two minutes up, we get to like a puddle that we can't cross because it had rained the day before. And in those canyons, you get these these puddles that you either need nice tall boots or you just got to take your boots off and and go through icy water. Yeah. Yeah. So we just decided, well, but's that's far enough for us. So we turned back a little early, but we'll we'll go back someday and when when they're older and and really do the full the full deal.
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Nice, man. That sounds awesome. Did you guys camp there No, we got ah we did some some glamping. Got a little little cabin there and in town. Nothing wrong with that.
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Yeah. we ah ah yeah We're not into roughing it as much now that we have bunch kids. When we were ah first married, like my wife and I would go camping and we didn't care about sleeping on the ground in a tent or whatever. Now it's like yeah we had an RV for a while or a camper trailer, you know and now it's like we'll either like rent one of those or get an Airbnb cabin or something somewhere. So that's, yeah, usually how we do it too. Yeah. We're, we're doing a little bit longer trip next month. So we're kind of, we're trying to prepare a little bit for that and we're going to have we're going to do a little bit of camping because we're going to camp a few nights on that trip.
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And so I need to get the, get the girls used to camp we'll do some in the backyard, I think here to prepare. Yeah. We're heading up to, to North Idaho, the panhandle.
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This summer. Yeah. um And so we're going to, we're going to rent a big motor home and do it because the, the camper we had before was like a trailer, but you don't really like ride in, in one of those, you know? Right.
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And so it's still like a really long drive buckled in your seatbelts and your normal car, but the RV or like a, like an actual, you know, motor home, then you can like sit in the back on the couch watching TV while cruising. You don't have to run the generator and you know I mean It's like, its just going.
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And so I think that'll be a lot more fun for the long drive up north. Oh, yeah. north of the That would have been a lot of fun as a kid to have that. Better than the station wagon. Yeah. Well, cool, Bran. We got a good proverb this week. This
Exploring the Proverb 'The Axe Forgets, The Tree Remembers'
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is one you picked. you want to tell us about it?
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Yeah. it's As you know from the title here, um it is The Axe Forgets, The Tree Remembers. um And i feel like I saw two two proverbs with ah axes and trees just in this last week. So I thought um thought we should do it. This one, i can't remember where I saw this formulation because there's this other version that I saw.
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i was reading a ah book of of Ernest Hemingway's ah like news dispatches. He was he was a reporter. ah earlier in his life um for Toronto Star. Is that their paper?
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um So like this was between the wars. He got into journalism and he was in Europe a lot and Africa. And then, you know, as he became a more famous writer, he still did some of these, um some of these dispatches like Esquire magazine started and paid him a ton of money to,
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to write just whatever he wanted about his adventures. So this book has like um so this book has a compilation of a lot of his reporting, which if, if you know his writing, it's, it's going pretty similar, right? It's, um, it's just gonna have real people in it as opposed to, but the, but stylistically it's pretty similar.
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So long story short, one of these little stories was from the turmoil in in Greece and Turkey in the twenties, um, mass upheaval shifting. All the Greeks got kicked out of Turkey. All the Turks got kicked out of Greece and there's just big swap of populations. And there was a a proverb mentioned, it is not only the fault of the ax, but the tree as well, which it's kind of interesting, but I don't know if I want I didn't want to think that don't want to think that hard about that Cause that one,
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That was a little bit of a brain teaser, I think. That one is a good one. We should do that one another time. Yeah. So, so i don't know, two axe and tree proverbs in one week. I just figured I'd pick the one that's a little easier to source. And that one, also, I couldn't find outside of that book a good source for it.
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Whereas this other one that we're doing tonight, um I found is an African proverb. Um, don't know if you looked into this at all, but, uh, but yeah, so there, there's our, a rundown of of, of this one.
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African proverb, AKA, we're not sure where it came from. That's usually how that goes. The cliche. The trivia. Yeah, no, this is a good one. You know, um it's funny. I don't know where you, you said you don't know where you saw it from. I don't know where you did either, but yeah I saw this proverb.
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It was a tweet or something. I don't know. It was, it was, I swear it was because I saw it somewhere on Twitter too. And we follow off the same people. Someone posted this. So if you remember who it is, let us know. But someone posted, I remember thinking, oh, that's a good one.
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Yeah, I should write it down or something that didn't. I forgot about it. then you hit it, hit me with it today. and I'm like, oh, yeah, perfect. Yeah.
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So, yeah, no, I think this is a good one. What besides just kind of coming across it, what was it that made you want to pick this one?
Impact of Words and Actions in Personal Relationships
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um You know, I ah just it's it's a good one. I think maybe it's just a little different than maybe some of the other ones we've, don't know if we've covered anything that's similar. Like a lot of times there's similar repeating concepts and this one, at least today struck me as a somewhat more unique.
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And so I just kinda, I thought it'd be worth kind of diving into what um that kind of asymmetry in in interact personal interactions and stuff, right. That something that can be just totally blow off moment for one person can be life changing for the other.
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ah sure and just, and just the kind of the repercussions there, especially considering like, I think about it a lot with, with raising kids and the, the small things. I mean, this is something we have talked about the small things that you might do,
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that really will impact your kids things. that If you remember from your childhood, it was, was probably a very small thing for like a parent to say, or a sibling or something, but it really either helped you out the rest of your life or messed you up the rest of your life. Like just these little inflection points. And so that's, that's kind of what had me, that's what I was thinking about.
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Yeah, this one made me think about like any sharp words that I've used or ah you know unkind things that have been said. That's what made me think of.
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I don't know if that's where your mind went, but that's where my own mind instantly went is... Was my, was I ever the ax just saying stuff, throwing things out and maybe something hit someone in a, in a bad way. And, you know, I could have thought of nice things I've done for people, but my, my mind went to the negative. My mind went to what bad thing did you say about somebody that hurt their feelings or, or had a negative impact on them going forward?
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Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, and this one, this proverb I think is negatively focused for sure. Cause, um, Cause it's, it's about destroying trees, right? About chopping them down and, and once that's done, that's done and the ax can move on to the next tree and it's just another tree. So it's kind of people who, um, blow through life that way or, um, yeah.
Proverb's Relevance in Business and Service Industries
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There are so many ways we could go with this one too. It's interesting. Cause, uh, I feel like it's, um, when I was thinking about it before the show, like it, uh, This is so common among, I mean, you could think of it as, you know, like a, like a business coming in and buying up a small company or doing something. And like, it really impacts people's lives in a lot of ways, but to the corporate group, it's just another acquisition. And they're just, you know, it's just the little numbers on a sheet and that's it. You know, it could be that it could be like,
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I was thinking like warfare, you know, one bomb dropped. It's like, okay, did my mission. I'm a pilot or i had to you know, versus, know, my town is destroyed, you know? So like my family's dead. Like, you know, there's like just so many, this is kind of a, a broad one.
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Yeah. Um, it, it really is. And, um, let's, let's take ah let's take a look at, um,
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Sorry, going pause here a sec.
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I mean, maybe we can we can start like um top-down ah perspective. So like, you know, at at a high level, know, like you were saying with war or something, right? Like um where you've got the you know but you the importance of leadership, right? Or or the the actions of leaders and the kind of knockdown effects from from their decisions. Like business, ah that that was a good example too, right? Like where it's it's a spreadsheet. It's just like, oh, this this person, that's another, like we need to we need to cut costs. We're going to lay off all the...
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the the mid-level people, the senior people who, who cost a lot and just, sure um, and, uh, and people like, yeah, that just can really mess up someone's life. It'd certainly be disruptive.
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Um, or, or, you know, like I even think about like maybe more, more day to day, I guess, um, like going, like, I think, I think it's, it's observed by a lot of people that kind of decline in quality of, um, like at a restaurant or at a store, the service, the, the quality of ingredients, some places, you know, I think ever since COVID, this has been a complaint with people. Like things are more expensive, but they're not as good.
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um right. Just like a little, um some small bad service you might get at a restaurant and you never go back. And like that, there you go. There's your, ah you are you are the tree here. You do not forget.
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They have no idea. um they Especially they might not ever know why, oh this this customer stopped coming back why why things are dropping down.
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um And it's just kind of a mystery to them, but some small thing, just made you never want to go back. Is there any, like, do you have, do you do that? or am I just petty? Like I, well, I am petty, but do you have that experience where just like, ah um I'm done with it. Like, ah it's just not worth it anymore.
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Going to this, going to this restaurant anymore, going to this movie theater, whatever it is, you know, like, do you Have you run into that? you're trying to think I'm trying to think of a specific experience.
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I probably have. i can't think of anything off the top of my head where I've had that bad of an experience. um No, actually, you know, I may be kind of the other way where I'm a little too...
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willing to give it another shot. there's that There's a place in town, and I'm not going to say the name of the restaurant because I don't need to be throwing people under the bus here, but there is a there there is a restaurant in town. In fact, there's a couple locations.
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It's not like a national chain or anything. It's like a local thing, but there are like two or three locations in my town, and I don't live in that big of a city um I live in a very small town, i'm talking the nearest big city when we go into town.
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um We have been there probably three or four times. and Every time it's been bad. Yeah. And they keep luring us in with something. It was like some special or we drive by and they had their thing up. They're like, try our boysenberry pie. We're like, oh that actually sounds good. You know, something like that.
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Like, let's give them another shot. And every time it's been terrible. So and for for me, and don't know, maybe I'm a little bit, I have a bad memory. Yeah. ah Or something. It seems like it's opposite a little bit for me.
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Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's fair. And you know and i do um I do go back. like One that comes to mind for me is is a pizza. It's a national chain.
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But you know we like to do a pizza night in our family, like Friday night kind of thing, right? and um And during COVID, this this one just got awful. like It was...
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they like we'd order online or something and it would just like, you could watch like the tracker of your, you know, pizzas being made. And it would just, it was taking like two hours and nothing was showing up. was supposed to be like half an hour. Like that was the estimate they gave you. Right.
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And like you call, they don't answer. Like just they're completely, i think they were just majorly understaffed, but unwilling to, to deal with it. Right. to and But sometimes they did. Sometimes they were just like you couldn't order because they just,
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It was Friday night and they were too busy. And so they were not taking any more orders, but like just that happened a few times and just, no, like we're not, I'm just done with them. And we, we stopped with them for a while. Like, um, they were our go-to, but just couldn't deal with it. But then, you know, I guess they did lure us back with some dealer or another and we're going back to them. But, um,
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But yeah, I don't know that, you know, I didn't really fill out a survey, right? like a Sure. they didn't They just kind of probably one probably wondered where where everyone went after they were so busy. They wondered where all the trees in their forest were. Yeah.
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Yeah. As it were. Yeah. Yeah, man, I think you're right. Stuff like that with business that happens all the time. You mentioned layoffs. Man, that could be such a devastating thing to a family.
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And, you know, it's just kind of part of business. You know, there's a business downturn, there's market contraction, there's whatever. And now all of a sudden your business that was really profitable before now isn't so much.
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you're not selling as much product. You got a bunch of people sitting around. Maybe you have too much staff. Some people are sitting, and collecting a paycheck, twiddling their thumbs. Yeah. Companies like, well, we got to do what we got to do. But like, shoot, man, like if you're the guy that gets laid off and sometimes if, uh,
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If you live, if you work in a very specific industry, that can mean not just a job change, but a move, right? Because sometimes there's only one company of that type that in your town or in your state.
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It's like, okay, now we got to move out of state and take the kids out of school. And i mean, it's a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. you know And you know, there's not for a lot of it so ah for all the, uh, you know, talk of, of corporate greed and stuff, but yeah, like sometimes it's just, if, if you don't, if you don't fire some people, cause there's not enough to do the whole company will go under and everyone will lose a job.
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Yeah. Sometimes. for decision Although. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but yeah, sometimes there is the corporate greed. I don't want I don't want to say that that doesn't exist. Not always. Not always. Yeah.
Parenting Through the Proverb's Lens
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Um, now, uh, when it comes to,
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one of my first thing, and you know, third first thoughts on this one was like raising kids and stuff. Like, what did you, what do you think about this with, um, ah either from you being a kid or what you're, what you're doing with your own kids? Like, do you,
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um Do you think about this kind of thing a lot too? Yeah, I do. And it's hard because ah because as the parent, you're off on the ax, right? Yeah.
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And you're trying to do your best, so but you got to dole out punishment sometimes and this, that, and the other. And sometimes my kids will say something like, oh, well remember dad was real mad. He said this, this one time. like, when did I say that?
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You're like, oh, it was like four years ago. And that's like half their life, you know? And then they're telling me something about something happened. And I'm like, I forgot about that. And, um, they're like, yeah, we were in big trouble that one time. Cause dad said this, and I'd completely forgotten about the whole experience, but man, that was like left an indelible mark on them. They're going to carry that for the rest of their life. So yeah, there's some gravity there when you're the ax, you better, you got to be careful what you're doing. Cause, cause there's little, little, little saplings around you that, uh, that will remember.
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How about you? Yeah, and i guess there I guess it does go the other way sometimes too, especially as your kids get older. um i think i think maybe my my wife is more sensitive to this than than me and probably will continue to be. But you're right, like when the when the kid's...
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say something mean because they're little and they don't really know any better. Like that, that can sting a parent. But I think, you know, do get over it a little better. and Do forget it sooner.
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For sure. And yeah, they they do say stuff like that. And then sometimes it's like their behavior. They'll be like, oh, can we go to the zoo? And we're remembering that time we took them to the zoo And they were like ah horribly awful and everything was a disaster. We're are you guys out of your mind? We'll never, we're never going back to the zoo again.
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You know, because at that point they were the ax and we were the tree and we were just horribly embarrassed by the way our kids were behaving that one day for whatever reason. So there's that too. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. Cause that's,
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Yeah. I mean, we had that going to the park with the kids this evening. Like, okay, I just want to tell them we're not going to go park again. like right But they're young enough that it wouldn't matter. They are they really are the axe. They really do not remember.
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And so, like, you do. And yeah like here's the part of it, right? Like, you don't punish the axe for being the axe, right? um Sure. So it's kind of like you you really can't can't punish your kids you know a week a week after something already happened because they're little and they don't remember.
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They have no concept that of a week ago, right? My kids are always saying, referring to yesterday last year or something. Like they just, that, that length of time, they they know future and past, but, the but not any length of time. It's everything is all all muddled between last week and last year for them.
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So time is a flat circle to kids. Yeah. but Like, but yeah, you can't, you can't take it as, as much as you want to, as much want to teach them a lesson. Like that's, that's like age, age dependent as far as their ability to,
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to, to wrestle with correcting behavior when they're a toddler. It's, they're just, it, they blink an eye and and the situation is over and they like, you you've missed your window to, to correct it because it's just, they won't remember. And and you're just punishing them now for, for nothing.
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Yeah, man, for sure. Um, it's hard not to punish your kid sometimes as a parent, hard not to punish them for just being a kid because sometimes them being a kid can chop down some big trees. Like they can destroy something expensive or they can yeah hurt somebody or cause a big problem or ruin a vacation or something by just doing something that's kind of, you know, the kids do.
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And so it's kind of hard to disconnect sometimes the behavior with the, with the consequence of that behavior, what, what, what the, the, the reaction or what, what it was, right.
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um Like it caused a big thing. And sometimes you want to make a punishment or ah ah make a big deal out of the, the expensive thing that got broken when really it was just them dropping something or being clumsy or whatever, like they do all the time.
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Yep. So that can be tough. if At least it is for me. okay, they dropped your laptop in the toilet. They dropped things in the toilet. That thing happened to cost $2,000. That sucks. You know, whatever.
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That's a hypothetical. That didn't happen. Knock on wood. um but ah But like that very well could happen, right? They pick up something and they shouldn't be touching, whatever. Things like that happen all the time. Yeah, absolutely.
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um i I guess um from from there, you know, there's the, just other interpersonal relationships. I think, I think a danger of this proverb is thinking that, um you know, it's dealing with things that are one way by their nature. And right. Like we're just talking with the acts, like you don't, you don't punish the acts for being the acts, but people are people if not, not actually axes. So like, right there's there's the idea of like, you don't want to just hold a grudge. If you've been mistreated,
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um it's it does become detrimental to you just to to be the tree that always remembers, and but never addresses something. right like but With your spouse, for example, if there's something that your spouse did that you found hurtful, you don't want to just hang on to that like passive aggressively and let it fester. right like You actually can talk to them and people can apologize and they can change.
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Like there's, you really can't, um, it's probably not the best way to approach like a personal relationship. There are like impersonal occurrences, I think where this applies better, but what do you think about that with the personal relationships?
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Oh man, that's a good question. Um, I think sometimes people make a, um, I do think there's truth to the concept of holding a grudge and, and, um, you know, letting something fester that should be dealt with.
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But I think it's maybe not as common as people think. And I think oftentimes if something is quote unquote festering, often that's something that you need to let go.
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Yeah. Um, And I don't think things need to be brought up as often as oftentimes we think they do. Okay. um So, but you're right.
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i mean, people aren't axes. They're not inanimate objects. So, um yeah, if there's someone who's doing something that's causing pain or or issues, and especially if it's repeated and it's someone you you know you're going to continually interact with, then yeah, there's certainly ah time to...
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for it to be appropriate to address that. um But yeah, I mean, I,
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I think, Before you do that, you should look at yourself and say, am I holding a grudge that could be let go before I bring it up? Because sometimes bringing it up can cause more problems. Sometimes it can cause more hurt.
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Sometimes the person already knows they did something wrong and they're like working on it or they've they've done it a hundred times or maybe you've already talked to them about it 300 times and they keep doing it because... habits don't change overnight they just you know it's not how they work it it takes a long time sometimes it years to break a bad habit or stop doing something that you know you shouldn't do so and don't know that's my thoughts on that um hopefully that wasn't too random but oh that made sense no but's that's that's uh that's a good reminder yeah i mean there's um there are yeah like you don't want to you don't want to nag right like about um
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repeat things that you have already spoken about like that. That doesn't help. Yeah. That's, that's, that was good food for thought. So, um, so what about as we get, as we we approach the end of our time here, the, um, um, the, the gods of the marketplace here is this, um, do people value this one? Is this one people even think about, um,
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it's, it's a little more obscure. Like,
Political and Community Impacts
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what do you think? do you think people instinctively follow this one? Obviously someone on Twitter does, believes in this.
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Fair friend that we so you're ripped off this week. We don't know who you are. We'll find it. Um, yeah, I, I don't think this one gets talked about much.
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Uh,
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how the actions of, of, of things can impact others. ah
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Yeah, man. ah Well, well, I mean, so like when you think, when you're looking at like government or politics, sometimes I think a lot of the leaders forget that every time, every stroke of the pen, every time they change a statute or a law,
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this impacts people's lives, right? Yeah. And, uh, and they can be the ax sometimes. And, uh, and millions of trees are going to have impact based on some economic policy or some, some tax policy or, or whatever, you know? So, um, I think we see that a lot and, and I think it would behoove us to pay a little bit more attention to the trees around, around us when we're swinging our ax around.
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Yeah, that's that's a good point. And it's something that I had thought about like as we were starting, but but it kind of slipped my mind. Yeah, like that the the politician, public figure aspect of this, um where it's eat like with with access to to social media, it's it's really easy to swing your axe around when you're a big ah big time person and not realize like...
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the offense you cause or the, the trouble you might make just, uh, for, for in ways you can't, might maybe you couldn't even imagine or otherwise you're just kind of careless about, but yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, even just small stuff like, uh, in a local you know municipality or something, they're putting in a new highway or a road or something, you know, and, just changes everybody's backyard that the place that they grew up and they knew and now it's different. Now maybe it kind of sucks. It's like, oh yeah and you can't not ever do that. i mean, we need roads and we need stuff and sometimes things change and cities grow and much to the chagrin of the people who grew up there sometimes, but that could, that does happen.
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And so, but, um, I think being mindful about it is, is, uh, helpful
Conclusion: Mindfulness of Lasting Impacts
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and important. And that's why proverbs like this exist. And I think are valuable.
00:30:13
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Yeah. Well, that's a good place to stop. I think. I agree. Yeah. Thank you for bringing this one to our attention. Um, we're going to track this down.
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We'll track it down where we found it. Cause we had, I swear we saw it the same place. So anyway, thanks so much for, what um, for listening, everybody. We will see you guys all next week. All right, we'll see you. Bye.
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There are only four things certain since social progress began. That the dog returns to his vomit, and the sow returns to her mind, and the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wobbling back to the fire.
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And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, As surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook hideous with terror and authority.