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Good Fences Make Good Neighbors
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In this episode Patrick and Andrew discuss the barriers between people that keep civilization going smoothly
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Introduction and Hosts' Banter
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and the brave new world begins.
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When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sins, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter. return
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Hello everybody and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
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And every week we take an old saying, proverb, or maxim and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom from these old proverbs that's relevant today. I'm your host Patrick Payne and with me as always is my co-host Andrew Stevens.
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Andrew, how are you doing but Doing great tonight. How are you? Man, I like that. I like that enthusiasm. Hey, thanks. You're on it today. Feeling good. Yeah, it's almost 10. I just drank a Mountain Dew. I'm ready to go.
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That's that pep in your stuff. Got a little Dew. You're doing the Dew over there. on the do they got this Yeah, they got the new flavor for the summer, the Baja Cabo Citrus. Oh, I haven't tried it.
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Yeah, I always, you know, um' I'm a sucker for all their, you know, brand new, their new flavors. I always got try them just to see what they're like. I'll have to try that one. I did try a new flavor of monster today.
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thought it was, it was like some mango something. I thought it was okay. All right. Not my favorite, but sure should have gone with the do, but yeah. Yeah. yeah Things have been going good over here. Nothing nothing super super new. Weather's getting nicer. the We saw birds flying north.
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You know, several like in V formation, birds flying north. Several different groups. So that's always exciting. That means summer's coming. Very nice. Do you have, is there like ah where you are kind of like a flyway? Like I said, do a lot of birds go through there?
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I think so. Cause we see them go south in the you know, late fall and then we, we see come north. So I think ah would they fly right over our house. Nice. Down like, what is it down here? The Bear River?
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Is that, there's a lot of, a lot birds go through there. wonder if that's the same, same route. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if they, do they stick near the I-15 or.
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Yeah. They just follow I-15. Go down to Vegas. go Yeah.
Do 'Good Fences Make Good Neighbors'?
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Yeah. Well, anyway, yeah, we get, um, get a good, good proverb this week.
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Yeah. a classic one. huh This is one I picked. And there are a couple different versions. I think I always heard a different version than the the main one, but I guess the main one is good fences make good neighbors. Is that the way you'd heard it?
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Yep. Okay. yeah So I, I, for some reason I was thinking in my head and maybe I made this up or maybe it's just a different variation, but I also heard tall fences make good neighbors, but, um, meaning is the same.
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Yeah. Um, yeah. What'd you think of this one when I tossed it your way? Yeah, the the extent to which a tall fence is a good fence makes makes the day right equivalent here. um Yeah, this one, I remember, I think some of it is is people like
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people like misunderstand this one or something. I don't i don't know. Maybe and seems pretty straightforward to me, but guess we can talk about it and see where whereas some people might might misinterpret it.
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um But yeah, what um this one this one has kind of a famous origin and it's a little more recent, ah yeah right? Like who who coined this one? This one came from ah Frost, I think, is what I found.
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that what you found? Yep, that's what i found too, Robert Frost. Yep. One of his poem, I think 1914 is what I read. Good, I'm glad you have it up because my My tab just went away that I had on my notes and I was looking it up. So you tell us. Yeah. His 1914 poem, Mending Wall.
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Yeah. Yeah. that sounds right That's where this good fences make good neighbors comes from. I'm curious what to you mentioned. Do you think a lot of people misunderstand this one? Is have you heard different? This one to me seems pretty straightforward. Have you heard other?
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ah i'm trying to think of where, where that came. Maybe it was like, someone on a show like the West wing or something, they made like a deal about it being missed, like people misquoting it or something, but, um but right. Like the idea being um that, that boundaries are important and boundaries may, they red reduce, like properly understood, they reduce that, that friction between neighbors, right? Like yeah you don't have to worry about encroaching on each other each other's territory or fields or whatever, right? Because,
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you know where the line is, everyone knows it, no problem, everyone respects it. And so I think in that regard, it seems seems straightforward. I mean, there's lots of applications to this, you know, the literal and and beyond, but I don't, I'm trying to think of, it's it's not like, I don't think it's speaking against the idea of, ah you know, fences, right? youre Right.
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Yeah, no, I think you're right. i think And I think sometimes there are like, you know, kind of revisionist history with some of these prove proverbs where some people who don't like this, what it's trying to teach will be like, no, actually what it means is, you know, yeah and you're like, yeah, i don't know. I think what it means is what it says.
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But ah yeah, yeah. I think this one's pretty straightforward and it's just the need for, for like some sort of separation. So ah even just the the entire concept of like property rights going way back, the the entire concept is,
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the goal is not to, not to fight over it. The goal is to like, is to, is to avoid conflict by being like, okay, well, this is yours. I'm not going to mess with you. This is mine. You're not going to mess with me. We're going be okay. You'll be over there. I'll be over here.
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We can get along. Right. It's when there's like, ah you know, nobody knows kind of what the, what the, what the rules are or who gets what, or that's kind of when, when things start getting a little more chaotic, I guess, is that kind of, yeah.
Ancient Boundary Markers and Peace
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Yeah, definitely. like And and yeah going back to to ancient times, like there are border markers all over still existing from the ancient world where these were important things and um and kind of even like had religious significance in that you needed to have that but seriousness that people wouldn't violate them.
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um And it was a big deal if someone did, right? Someone moved to the border marker between properties like and cut were caught doing it or anything like that was a pretty serious offense.
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Um,
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sorry what were these What were these border markers? like like What were they like? is it like like border Like stones, like border stones. Okay, so they're like like a cairn type of thing or something? or Yeah, I think so. And and I think you know lots different cultures had different versions of them. you know The Romans did them. I'm pretty sure like these old ones kind of show up even like in in England. They're more recent and stuff, but like you might be able to imagine that kind of thing.
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Sure. um I think sometimes they might have had like especially more recent ones like distance distances or, or otherwise kind of, um, geographic markers on like, you know, numbers on them and stuff like that to say, you know, the mileage of things and everything. But, um, but yeah, or, or even like, uh, I think some of the ancient ones would have like, um, religious carvings on them gods carved on them that you, that you wouldn't violate these, um, these symbols of the gods. Um,
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Yeah. It's a really old concept. um I mean, as old as as old as the the concept of private property, probably, if we can go back little farther. um So <unk> I've lived a bunch of different places throughout my life. And there are some places, and I don't know if it's geographical or if it's just kind of like a preference for the neighborhood.
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But have you seen these neighborhoods where there's like houses and these rolling lawns and they all kind of blend together and there's no fences? Yeah. Have ever seen those neighborhoods? Yeah, but I think so. I think I've seen the stuff like that. We don't really have those around here, I don't think. but Yeah, I think it's regional. I think they don't have them out here so much. But like I've lived, like when I was living in the Midwest, we had a yard that was kind of just like rolled into the neighbor's yard.
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That's kind how it was. Yeah. When I've looked um in the past, you every now and then I get a hankering. I hear about some great place to live, right? And I think but looking at land in Kentucky or Tennessee, something like that. And I think the places I was looking at were like that. And my first thought is like, wait, there's no fences. Like, what about my dog? I got to put up a fence for my dog or something. Right.
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Totally. so I don't know how they, but yeah, they just, it's just ah these nice big green lawns that all connect and and you wonder how they, decide who mows how far, I guess.
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Yep. when When I was a kid, we were living in Michigan and it was that like that. And I think our HOA, like, Prohibited. bata Yeah. Like they didn't allow fences, which is really odd out here. You know, you think.
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And so anyway, that's what made that's part of what made me think this is, is, is
Challenges of Lawns without Fences
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it? I do remember. and do remember what time when we were, we had a neighbor and since our front lawns blended together,
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Well, actually our current house, our front yards kind of blend together with our neighbor. That's pretty common, right? That's more common. Yeah. It's not super uncommon, but but our backyards kind of did too. But anyway, our front yards were kind of blending together and I always had to like mow up to where I thought the property line was. I was like a teenager, you know?
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And I'm like, it looks goofy. I don't know what's going on. and yeah So one day I just decided, I'm like, I'm just going to mow the whole thing. You know, I'm going to the neighbor's lawn too. And, um, I guess he was like, you know, super impressed that this young strapping young man mowed this lawn. I'm like, dude, I just didn't know where to stop. So I'm like, whatever.
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I'm just kidding. But but it's so in that sense, in that case, I think that was a time when maybe the, maybe no offense helped with the neighbors, but it doesn't always work that way. Yeah.
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It does. I mean, it does like, Without that, it does like force the conversation, I guess. And for most reasonable people, that can be a good interaction and like a nice like neighborly thing that like, oh, well, I have like there's five feet of of grass that's yours and then your driveway, like I i can just mow that for you.
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every time. And then my neighbor on the other side, I've got the same situation. They'll do that for me. and everyone's just kind of like helping each other out. And that, that that's great. But I do wonder though, like there's gotta be some, especially like some nice neighborhood in, in Kentucky, like with these big, big yards, like, and you gotta, you gotta have the guy in the neighborhood who likes to to mow it just the right way. Like I imagine there's some getting into some arguments if without clear demarcation of where everything is.
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Oh, I'm sure, man. And you mentioned like, like pets, dogs, how do you even have that? It's, it seems like an odd, and i guess they have the electric colors thing. Yeah. Um, but yeah. And then in going back to kind of good fences, tall fences,
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Even having a fence is not all the same. Like having a privacy fence, I think is sometimes a little bit, a little bit better. yeah It's, it's weird when you're out in your backyard and just, you look across and there's nothing and all the neighbors can see everything you're doing. yeah I mean, it's, it's not that, mean, i don't not like doing anything secret in my backyard, but it's like, it's kind of a little odd when you're out there having a barbecue or something and the neighbors are like peeking out the window and you're like, you know, it's a little disconcerting.
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Yeah, you've got like, especially if you're in a neighborhood where they really packed the houses in and they're like two, two story plus houses. um And everyone like if you're on the second floor, you can see down into everyone's backyard, right? Yeah, no privacy.
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But yeah, like we when we moved into ours, we've got on one side on the street side, chain link fence. But it's also there's kind of ah a bit of a retaining wall. So kind of there's, i you know, I level it's funny when you're walking by our house. So it wasn't like pretty soon after we moved in, we we planted a bunch of bushes to grow and fill in and and kind of give us some privacy because there's, yeah there's just something weird about having people being able to peek in. And I think, you know, my,
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ah my inclination when I have like, when I can see into the neighbor's yard or, you know, their kitchen window is just to, you know, be nice and pretend like I can't. Right. Right.
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and think most people will do that. Just kind of like, at least around here. All right. I can see him, but I'm not going to look in. I'll pretend like I can't. And, You can have your privacy or illusion of it.
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Totally.
Cultural Segregation vs. Integration
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Yeah. No, I think um that the the the principle behind this one is sound. Having boundaries is really important and having, um and and and it really does.
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it in my estimation, decrease conflict. If you look at interpersonal conflict and strife and various things, most of this, you know, crazy clips of whatever you see online of people fighting or doing something nuts is usually in some shared space. It's not typically like at a barbecue in someone's backyard, you know, maybe sometimes, ah but not typically. It's usually like on a subway or walking down the street or something where people are in this shared space.
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Maybe there's like, not clear rules on how to behave. you know Some people are playing music loud and some people think you shouldn't do that. And some people are you know doing this or that, or or you you know what I mean? Like any little things can kind of um yeah cause a little bit ah a little bit of friction.
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Yeah. And I think that's kind of the next the next step here is you know Those social rules, those are a fence of their own, right? like So when everyone understands that, when you have that common fence of, you don't oh, you don't play loud music you know on out in speakers in public.
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When everyone understands that, there's not really a problem. But when someone doesn't know that, doesn't have that value, doesn't have that rule, yeah just it causes friction. And so, yeah, you start having these...
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these interactions where people, because they don't share the same rules, the same social rules, um they kind of will start butting heads over Yeah, and and I thought this one would be um an interesting one to talk about now because it seems like our society is, especially in the United States, we're really trying to grapple with you know what are we doing with with various different types of cultures and people and how are we kind of getting along with all of this stuff. and it's It's something that, it's and it's not obvious to me how this is going to yeah this is goingnna play out.
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You have current administration talking about you know immigration problems and deportations and and all of these things when You know, you got to other people ah ah extolling the virtues of like multiculturalism and lots of people living together.
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to me, it seems like maybe just having just a little bit of space between people who maybe live really differently isn't always a bad thing. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I see, I see, I just see it over and over and over where there's ah especially where people who, like you said, they don't share a fence. They don't share uh, a common, uh, cultural value of how this is supposed to work or how that's supposed to work. And if you go to different places around the world, it's not so much that one way is right. It's just that if they kind of has to be agreed on, you know, like you can play loud music if that's what everybody does. And that's just kind of accepted.
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And then you go to like Japan where everyone's like straight laced as not going to go over real well. Yeah, I think yeah it's there there have long been lots of cultures existing in our country, but I think a big difference was it was understood and and kind of self-reinforced that there were boundaries and segregations between those cultures, right? Like you think of all the cities you got, you've got the Chinatown, you've got the little Italy, like...
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everyone's kind of, they gather together so they can keep living mostly by their culture. And it changes because they're separate from, from the main body of their culture. But, um but you do have like kind of just everyone doing their own thing. And there are rules in those areas that are a little different. And you, if you're going to visit, you kind of have to play by those rules.
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um And that I think is, largely been swept away. And so, yeah, people just don't know what to do. And, um, people want like, you didn't you never really had to and enforce things too hard. And so people want their rules enforced, but it feels mean to do it, right? like Yeah.
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um you know Like where where I live is it's for for a lot of business, for the for the longest time, most businesses weren't open on Sunday, for example.
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And there was no there wasn't a law about it. It's just that people didn't do it because of religious reasons. So they didn't have their shops open. um you know, even up till 20 years ago, that's pretty common.
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And now there's lots of like, everything's open on Sunday. And so it's kind of like, well, you don't want to make, have to make ah some city ordinance about it, but you kind of ah wish that people didn't do that. And you wish, yeah because when back when they did do that, you thought things were better. Things were more cohesive for your, your group. And so um there are those like things like that where Um, you, you just, yeah, you just, you just don't want to have to make a law about it, but you really wish you really wish you could.
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Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, you mentioned like a little bit of segregation when, you know, people think of like a mandatory segregation. Everyone thinks, oh, that's gross. You know, we don't want to do that. And, and, and it's, you know, uh, but there was a little bit of, you know, people kind of associating with the kind of people that you nobody wants to like,
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you know, you can't be in this town or like you cross the wrong side of the tracks and get out of here. You know, that that's unappealing. ah But, but yeah, you're right. People kind of ah having a, a place where they're comfortable.
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And it seems like there's kind of an intentional agenda to like mix people up be like, no, no, no. These little pockets are bad. We need to be mixed up. We need to have more multiculturalism.
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And as these, you know, like we, I've heard of like policies of, kids from like maybe some bad schools getting bussed in to to go to school with the good with the with their kids at the good schools because they thought that was going to help them.
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Yeah. My experience, all it did is cause all sorts of problems. But um but that that kind of forced integration where people were kind of naturally in their own little spots and they're like, no, no, no, this is bad. Let's mix them all up with a big but a big ladle.
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ah Yeah. Yeah. To me, has not worked well. Yeah, I think my ah my mother-in-law's parents, you know she grew up in um and Connecticut.
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I can't remember which city, but like italian
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Italian mother, Irish father. And I think they lived in like in between because you know at the time it was still like kind of frowned upon to... Yeah. To cross, to cross boundaries. So I think in between like the Italian part of town and the Irish part of town was like the Jewish part of town. I think they lived there because like they didn't fit in either anymore. Right.
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And, um but it was like, yeah, just ah culturally enforced norm. And, um and I don't, I don't know what those cities are like now. Cause I imagine a lot of that kind of,
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those types of enclaves are are no more. And so you kind of wonder like, what, um, is it better for it? Um, or, or worse? I don't, I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. One my, one of my pet peeves, we mentioned the music is like, uh, you know, if it's, there's like music at a park or something, that doesn't bother me that much. It's like in really pristine, like nature, you're on like a hike up in the mountains on a trail. People put their Bluetooth speaker. I want to like take it and suck it off the, off the cliff.
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That's the one thing that's like, and I'm sure that's cultural. I'm sure some people are just like, it's not a big deal. I'm just listening my music. Who cares? But like, the way I came from is like, no, you go up into nature to be away from people, to be away from the sounds of the city. The last thing in the world I want to hear is someone else's music.
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Yeah. So someone was saying, um, like their, their hypothesis way, some people are always like talking on the phone, you know, like there's some cultures where they're just like on the phone all day long, just with various family members and stuff.
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Um, it's there, there, Their hypothesis was it had to deal with like coming from a lower literacy culture. And so like where you and I might just text or something, someone and just be quiet about it.
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Like they're just, they just talk. And, um, uh, while I, I still don't like people being on the phone around me all the time on, you know voice or on a, on speakerphone, I at least understand it a little more. I think that's probably what's going on.
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Um, yeah but yeah, just the, Yeah. I want, I want nature to be nice and quiet. I, I I'm so extreme though, like, especially with winter sports, like, right. You're out in the nature in nature in the winter. it i don't want to hear a thing like, except for maybe the, the snow sliding beneath my skis.
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And so I, I just, so I'm like, I hate the ah snowmobiles and, and all that those loud, those loud recreation things. Like, no, just take it somewhere else. It's, it's ruining the, ruining the atmosphere. So.
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Yeah. Skiing's a little, skiing's the same way. yeah like Some people will play music on the ski lift and whatever and coming down, you're like, come on, bro. Just, they got, they got Bluetooth at,
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Headphones now, you don't have to ah deal with wires. Just put them in your ears. And that's the thing. I don't even like that. i don't even, I mean, I don't care if someone else does it, but for me, I don't want earbloods buds in. When I'm in nature, I just, I don't want to hear anything. you know yeah like So there's the difference of A, wanting to hear music and then ah taking it a step further.
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i want you to hear my music because I'm playing it out loud. Yeah, it's just the some people don't seem to understand that not everyone likes their music. Yeah, and the phone calls are crazy too because like I guess I come from a little bit more of a of a privacy-oriented culture. yeah Yeah. like People would be talking about personal stuff and I'm like, what?
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I don't want to want know what's going on in your life. like They're just saying stuff that like i wouldn't you know i would I would step outside or I would go somewhere else if i had to make a call like that. Yeah. Anyway.
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All right. Well, um what do you think about, so do you think this one is generally respected in society or do you think it's not so much? um No, I don't, I don't think this one is generally, um generally respected. I think, I think kind of the, the main culture is about tearing down walls, whether yeah they're they're good or not.
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And that that that is a ah good in itself. um I guess we could we could talk about, was it Chesterton's fence? Yep. In this regard, right? That before you turn before you tear down a ah norm or or something like that, you need to see why it was there in the first place.
00:24:07
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So if you come across a, like the the the rules of the country, right? When you come across a gate, If it's open, you leave it open. If it's closed, you leave it closed or you go through it and close it behind you because presumably some farmer has his animals going through it or doesn't want them going through it. And you just need to respect that. and And there's no one to ask about it. You just leave it as you found it. So, um but you need to, yeah, you to analyze what you're doing before you tear it down. And I think there's very little of that going on right now.
00:24:38
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Yeah, unfortunately, I think you're right. And um in fact, that was part of the reason why we wanted to start ah start this podcast to begin with, is we just felt like there was a lot of fences being torn down and nobody was respecting some of these these old traditional ways of doing things that, you know...
Tearing Down Societal Norms
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became came to be over generation of generation of generation of people realizing, huh, this kind of works this way. Like, this is a good way to good way to do it. And a lot of people thinking, well, this is old. And I don't get, and it's not immediately apparent to me why it works. So therefore it doesn't. And we're going to tear it down. So having a little bit more respect for these ways of doing things, I think is important. And although I do think,
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we talk about boundaries. That's like a word that's thrown around a lot though. Don't you think like in a different sense, like, Oh, I can't talk to my mom because boundaries, you know, like, right. You know, or whatever, you know, they, they, the they'll do it with their family and and this, that, and the other, but with larger. So in that sense, I think that,
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Sometimes society pushes pushes these kind of boundaries to kind of separate you. But in other ways, I think a lot of the the cultural, the wider cultural or political fences are being torn down, if that makes any sense.
00:25:47
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yeah it does it Yeah, it's that kind of that therapy speak about boundaries. Therapy speak, yeah. That's exactly what it is. But what is that? like That one usually is in the context of like you need to yeah like you need to isolate yourself from your family something like that, right? Because of X, Y reason, which is itself like tearing down a norm of that you totally you need to strive to get along with your family or yeah you have to live with them.
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And it's like saying, oh no, you don't actually have to live with them. um Which, yeah, which is its own, tearing down its own thing. and Yeah, this is kind of a the, I guess, the the culture of hyper-individualism that that is is current right now that um you want to you want to put up with your borders where you want them and you want to tear them down where you want them. It's just all about what you want, what you want, and not not what's what's actually good for you necessarily. or
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Or maybe you do need to restrict yourself because will be good for other people that you love. Maybe it'll be better for your your kids if you restrain yourself and in one way or another, right? Like there's just a lot of lot of selfishness that goes along with it.
00:27:07
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Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. And, and, uh, yeah, I mean, even the bound, like, you yeah, you made an excellent point. Even the boundaries they talk about are really just another fence being torn down. Like they talk about how it's a, how it's a boundary, but really is it's, uh, it's, it's removing a boundary, the boundary of don't, you know, treat your family a certain way.
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Like sometimes that it's just like, it seems like in, uh, the, this, our, our generation, everything, every norm has been questioned. Right. And maybe that coincided with the information age and anyone able to you know spread their voice through the internet or something like that. But we've we've ah it's made society feel like we're really we're really, really smart and we're smarter than everybody else because this technology is blown up. But interpersonal relationships is not something that technology really helps you understand.
00:27:55
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fact, it might be the opposite. Like someone who lived a thousand years ago might know know way better about how to deal with his mother-in-law than you do. Yeah, and don't know if you saw like the thing going around today is that Zuckerberg wants to to make everyone have... He wants to give AI friends to to people who want them, right? like I saw that headline, but i didn't hear what what it was about.
00:28:17
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wants to just add like a couple of fake friends? Yeah, pretty pretty much that people are people are lonely. They only have three real friends. He wants them to have 10 more fake ones. And that's not going to make people... I don't think that's going make people better at dealing with with other people, right? Yeah, like it's like you said, technology improves, but the the social technology is is timeless and people are just kind of abandoning it and it's it's getting weird out there because of it.
00:28:50
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It really is dude. That Zuckerberg guy. mean, he's a very smart guy, but he just doesn't get it in my opinion. Like he just, he just, just doesn't really see what is going on in the world. In my opinion. no Yeah.
00:29:01
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but Robot with a gold chain is still a robot, you know? Yeah.
00:29:07
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Yeah. But yeah, man, this is, uh, yeah, this is an interesting one. Cause, uh, we're, uh, We're in the thick of it. And the fences all are trying to be torn down, but good fences make good neighbors.
00:29:24
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And if you want to get along, you got to have some sort of a little bit of separation sometimes. That's right. All right. Well, um thanks, man. This is a thanks for your thoughts on this one. It was really good. And thanks, everybody, for listening.
00:29:37
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We will be back at it again next week. So make sure to join us then. Thanks, everyone. All right. We'll see you. We'll see you. There are only four things certain since social progress began.
00:29:51
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That the dog returns to his vomit, and the sow returns to her mind, and the burnt fool's bandaged finger goes wobbling back to the fire. And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, as surely as water will wet us,
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As surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copybook hideous, with terror and slaughter