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Midnight Mass Series Wrap-Up!
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We've finally made it to the end, and we're not ready to say goodbye. In the wrap-up episode, we look back on Midnight Mass- the moments and characters that we can't stop thinking about, and the themes that still echo after the credits end.
From the moments shared between Riley and Erin to the chaos of the sunrise, we revisit the beauty, heartbreak, and haunting grace that make Mike Flanagan's series so unforgettable. Join us as we share what we'll remember forever and why Midnight Mass feels less like a show and more like an experience we all went through together.
Thank you to those who have joined us- whether you've been with us since the beginning, or you found us more recently! Please stay tuned for what comes next!
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Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts
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Welcome to the island where the nights are long. The miracles are suspicious. And the blood is definitely not wine. We're your hosts, Laura and Noah.
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This is Fans of Flanagan. We know it's late. But it's time for Mass. Midnight Mass. Midnight Mass.
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Welcome back everyone to Fanzo Flanagan.
Hosts' Life Updates and TV Show Discussions
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I'm Noah. I'm Laura. And we have finally reached, finally? it's no i don't think everyone's been looking forward to this, but we're we're finally recording the wrap-up episode because it's been it's been quite a long time.
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it's been ah It's been a minute. Yeah. Sorry. we We both have lives. We're both pretty busy. So we apologize. This hasn't gone out sooner.
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but Stop with the hate mail. I can't do it anymore. You're right. We're just, get it's it's too much.
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Before we get into that, Laura, what have you been watching? They put the new Superman movie on HBO. So I finally got to see Superman and I liked it.
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You liked it? It was a fun movie. It's a fun movie. Yeah, and my kids have been watching it too, so they like it too.
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Yeah. And then I recently discovered ah War and Peace series based on the Tolstoy book.
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It's by Tolstoy and I don't sound completely ignorant. Oh my gosh. It is though. i'm I'm like 95% sure.
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but i've never read it but i'm watching the series and i'm enjoying it it's fascinating and so i was even looking up like is this like what the book is or did they take liberties but no i guess it stays pretty true to the happenings in the book okay yeah uh let's see go ahead i was say where where did you where are you watching that It's either, I have a couple of subscriptions linked to my Prime account.
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So it's on, it's either on Prime or it's through, a lot of them are through like Paramount Plus.
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Oh no, it's just on Prime Video. Okay.
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And Corey wanted to start watching Ghosts.
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I don't know if I remember you talking about that at all, but and sounds familiar. I've never watched it, but it sounds familiar. But go ahead. Originally, it was a u k show that had a few seasons, and then they've done an American add up ah adaptation version of it and that's where I started watching it it's really funny these this couple moves into an inherited mansion the wife gets a head injury and now she can see the ghosts that reside right on the property right okay anyway Corey had been like seeing clips pop up in his YouTube scrolling and he's this is how the conversation went because I'd been watching that show since it first came out a few years ago and I recently finished the UK version because after
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um they wrapped up the last season of the US version. I was like, let's check out the UK. I like them both equally. They're both really fun. But he goes, what's that one show where the couple moves into the mansion? and I was like, ghosts?
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And he goes, yeah, but like she can see the the ghosts in the mansion. I'm like, ghosts. And He's like, but they're like fixing it up to be an Airbnb and like it's ghosts. And he's like, oh.
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Do you want to watch it? Because I kind of do. It looks funny. And he doesn't laugh out loud ah shows very often. but this show, he's like cracking
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It's so entertaining to just watch him be so entertained by this show. It's silly. The show is silly, but he just thinks it's so funny. Which I do too. But anyway.
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I can't think of anything else that I've been really watching. So I'll pass it over to you and tell me what you've been doing in between school work and job.
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oh my word. Nothing. I'm watching videos on calculus three. That's what I'm watching right now. oh But we Jacqueline. do have time where we will sit down after her work and we'll, we'll watch something.
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While we eat dinner. Quiet. I'm talking right now, dude. Jeez. Can you be more professional? It's like he doesn't respect what I'm trying to do. A lizard outside that needs hunting. Exactly.
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um But we I've started to show her the show Psych that was on. Oh, fun. Yeah. I think like early or like late 2000s, early 2010, something like that.
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A million years ago. long ago. it's It's old and you can you can tell, but it's still a lot of fun. Yeah, it is.
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2015 was 10 years ago. That's crazy. That's old to me. You're filthy now.
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Um, but we started watching that other than that, we haven't really watched anything else. I haven't gone to the movie theaters and who knows how long there honestly really hasn't been anything that's caught my attention either.
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That's true. Um, I watched like the first two episodes of alien earth and I want to continue watching it. I just haven't had the time.
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Um, it's in the alien world, like universe. And, um, I don't know else how to describe it right now. It's taking, it's taking place on earth and that's as much as I know about the story. It's not fully developed yet. So, um, I'm interested and I will see where it goes.
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Um, but yeah, I haven't really been watching anything. Um, I'm trying to read through. ah I can't remember what the name of the book it's the second book in the second trilogy of red rising.
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Goodness. I'm still trying to read through it. Um, it's taking me so long. It's probably overdue at the library already, but, um, Watching football.
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I've gotten into NFL like the past two, two years, two, three years. So I've been watching that as much as I can while we have it. But yeah, that's what really is.
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Fun. I'm happy to announce I'm halfway through Oathbringer. Nice. the Sanderson books. 24 hours left to go So.
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A little over yeah it over halfway. yeah And it is one that I've read before. it it was just in a time in my life where I was retaining no memories. And so most of it, like some of the main points, I'm like, okay, I remember that. I remember that. And other points I'm like, I don't remember any of this at all. So I'm really glad I chose to reread it listen before I jump into the newer ones.
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Because I'm two books behind just in the way of King's books. Two books. You've got time.
Book Industry Challenges and Insights
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Yeah. i I looked at when the book after the book four was published and I was like, oh, shame on me.
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Yeah, but it's going to be like 10 more years until he publishes the next Stormlight book. So you find you've got time. yeah I know he's probably going to publish other Cosmere books. But between that, I think like Ghostbloods is something that he's going to publishing relatively soon, maybe. Okay.
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I don't know. Okay. I still have like the little in between novellas to read too. So, I mean, I'll be fine. Like it's, he's not George RR Martin.
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It's so pretentious. He doesn't care about his audience. Like at least he's, you know, putting out books. um
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Working in bookstore. Yeah. When all of that was happening with George R. R. Martin promising these publishing dates and then getting them like ignored or whatever was infuriating. Because, you know, customers can't yell at him. So who do they yell at?
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Us. Because people are stupid. yeah Yeah. Just a side note.
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I got absolutely reamed when this one man Or a woman. It was somebody. So Dan Brown wrote the Da Vinci Code.
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And it was such a huge success when it came out. The typical timeline is hardback comes out. A year later, they'll come out with the trade paper, which is like the hardback sized paperback. And sometimes they'll even release the smaller paperback mass market at the same time. But it's usually about a year-ish to get to the paperback releases.
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um because they really want to make that money on the hardcover. ah Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code, I can't remember the timeline, but it was like years before he released the paperback wow in this in the States.
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And I only know this because somebody had traveled to Australia where they had the paperbacks released, mass market even, bought it, left it on the plane. So they're like, oh man,
00:10:37
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I want to finish that book. So they come to my bookstore. They're like, hey, where's your paperback copies of Da Vinci Code? I'm like, I'm sorry, they're not, we don't, it's not released yet. That's not a thing here. And he was like, no, I bought it in Australia. Like, it's a thing. I'm like, not here.
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So commence, you know, 10, 15 minute tirade of how dare you not have this paperback that definitely exists. You're just incompetent. Why don't you do your job? How can you do what you're doing?
00:11:10
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Good times. I just work here, man. Yeah. Still wasn't as bad as when somebody called a customer about the new, I think it was one of the George R.R. Martin books the day before he could buy it, that his book had come in the day before he was allowed to buy it. So he comes in that Monday night.
00:11:29
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Yeah. So excited. and I had to tell him it's strict on sale tomorrow, which means legally I cannot sell it tonight. It is here.
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i just can't sell it because of laws.
00:11:46
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I'm like, I would How dare you write the the laws that prevent me from Biden's book right now? It's your fault. I know. I'm totally in charge of anything and I'm just mean. Anyway. i I've been listening to this Wheel of Time podcast for a while now. and Yeah. They're going through Memory of Light and they'll do fun facts.
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And he said, ga one of the guys who co-hosts it, he says that... When memory of light came out, I don't know if you're working at a bookstore at this time, but what year was it?
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Let me look it up. i don't think I was. I think that was after I had left.
00:12:27
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two thousand and thirteen 2013. Yeah, I was, I was long gone. Okay. Anyway, he was saying that, um, they got a lot of backlash because they weren't releasing the electronic version of the book at the same time as the like physical, physical book. And it like months after, I guess, and like people were pretty upset about that.
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I don't know if that was a thing and that you had to deal with or not. So
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I, I had left before the eBooks, had come out so i'm not i don't have a first-hand experience of how they managed that but i it makes sense in the same vein as like wanting the money from the hard copies before they were you know gonna gonna start selling the electronic version because i think the electronic version was at least a little bit cheaper back then yeah i also think it was something that um Robert Jordan's wife wanted, i can't remember what her name was, but I think it's something that she wanted because like publishers had always um been like really helpful to Robert Jordan. So she was trying to do something and help them out by,
00:13:46
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making it so like electronic sales couldn't. Yeah. It's the same. It's the same reason, you know, why back in the day it's, it's
Movie Industry Experiences and Opinions
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a little bit different. Now you'd have the, a movie be in the theater for however long.
00:14:03
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And then there would be a gap until it was released on, on video. And even cause I worked at a video store too, even renting, the videos, they would have it at a certain price point, the new releases, until the production companies got as much money out of those rentals as possible because most of their revenue came from rentals.
00:14:29
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which is why like the whole entertainment industry is struggling right now because renting a video is not a thing anymore. And I've already gone on a rant about how they're handling it now. And I disagree with And they could probably make more money by like kind of going back to that standard. Like you rent this digital version, we'll give you a week with it.
00:14:47
Speaker
Then I'll pay $5. No problem. You give me a week with a movie, I will pay $5 to rent that. to rent that right but you want me to pay you four or five dollars to rent it for 24 hours once i start the movie it's it's unreasonable because i'm like your your overhead cost is not reflecting what you're making me pay anyway it's the same kind of thing when the movies get released to dvd back when that was the main thing they would keep it at the 399 rental point until the production company recouped um
00:15:25
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as much of that cost as they were expected to. I don't, they usually had like a set amount that they wanted back. And then it would go to, you know, the main floor where it would be like a 299 rental. And I think most of that profit then went to the retailers.
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So anyway, it's just kind of how it all works. Yeah. and fact Companies wanting more money and being selfish. I agree. They should be paid. It makes, you know, it makes it easier easier for them to produce quality content. So, but there has to be like a balance.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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um Is there anything coming out soon that you're, that you're looking forward to? You can think probably is in the fall. I think there's a few kids. uh, movies that they're looking forward to.
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I think there's a sequel of something, the Zootopia sequel. So we'll see that. Um,
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Let me look on my coming soon on Fandango. Do you use Fandango? I love Fandango. I do not. I love it so much.
00:16:42
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It looks like they're at least AMC is replaying a lot of older movies. Not just AMC. Also, if you want to support your movie theaters, if you enjoy going to the movies and the theaters, buy soda or a popcorn because that's how they pay their employees. That's how they pay, you know, all the overhead costs for the building because all of the money, the ticket sales goes to the studio.
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So I think you worked in a theater, didn't you? I did. either I did for a couple of years. Yeah. It was a fun job for the most part. Yeah. I did a concessions for a season and then I was like, I don't want to do that anymore. I don't like working in food ticket sales maybe would have been better, but I did not like working in food. So I never did that again.
00:17:37
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Yeah. That wasn't the fun part. I like being an usher. Yeah. um That was all right most of the time. And then um as the longer I worked there, I got to kind of go up in the projection booth a little bit more. and That's probably a cool job.
00:17:53
Speaker
Yeah. um I'm nervous about Tron Aries coming out.
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Because I really liked... that's the first time I'm hearing about that. Really? Yeah. um Oh, a sequel to Black Phone. I didn't even see the first one.
00:18:14
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Okay, why are you nervous about Tron Ares? I really liked Tron Legacy. i know it's not like an amazing movie.
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I thought it was... I really enjoy it. Yeah, um enjoyed that one too. And I love going back and rewatching it. But the more that I see of Tron Aries, the more nervous I get of it.
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I don't know why. I couldn't tell you a reason. It's casting Jared Leto, which is could be a reason. But I really love Blade Runner 2049. So i like that shouldn't be too much of a factor.
00:18:50
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Was Jared Leto in Blade Runner? Yeah, he had a small role. and so I just remember Harrison Ford and Ryan Gosling. Yeah. what's the company in that?
00:19:01
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What's the huge company? It's not Weyland Yutani. That's alien. It's something like the umbrella corporation. No, it's not that.
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Um, anyway, he's, he's the head of that corporation and he's got like a few lines or something. Um,
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But it's making it look like he's more of a main character in this movie, and that's making me kind of nervous. um But also, I was trying to avoid as much as I could like not see any trailers or anything, but now watching football, it's in like every trailer.
00:19:40
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So, yeah. I don't know. It's making me nervous. Just look away. Yeah. yeah It doesn't have to be great. I just don't want it to suck.
00:19:52
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Yeah, I totally get I don't know. i know, i know some things about Jared Leto. I'm not going to repeat them from somebody else's firsthand accounts.
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So I'm not a big fan of his, but there have been some projects that he's been in that I've, I've
Jared Leto Film Critiques and Future Projects
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enjoyed. Um,
00:20:18
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But yeah, let's just say like when Morbius flopped that hard, I was not sad for him respectfully. I was going to say that's the movie you're talking about, right? That's the project that you really like with him in it is Morbius. I haven't even seen that.
00:20:34
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That's totally my favorite. It's totally it, right? My favorite is ever. ah but No, there was a, um, the WeWork, uh, company and they did a,
00:20:50
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On Apple TV, they did a series. It's got Anne Hathaway. It's Jared Leto. And it tells a story of the rise and fall of WeWork. That one was an entertaining watch. That was a little while ago, though.
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Okay. I'm not saying he's a bad actor.
00:21:09
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And on the off chance that somebody connected with him, here's this, I shall say nothing more. Okay.
00:21:19
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We're going to Okay. I'll tell you later. If we get big enough to be canceled, I'm just going to say that's a success.
00:21:30
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Right now we're running under the radar and I'm okay with that. Yeah. Running man with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
00:21:43
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Starring Glenn Powell. So a remake from the 87 movie, The Running Man. Yeah. Stephen King. Okay. And then Guillermo del Toro is doing Frankenstein.
00:21:55
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Yes. With Oscar Isaac. Oh. And Jacob Balorty. Nice.
00:22:08
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That could be interesting. That could be interesting. Another Predator movie. but That looks fun. That does look fun. With Elle Fanning. I like her so much.
00:22:20
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Okay. I've just seen clips about this, but I don't know if you've seen it yet. think it was Vanity Fair maybe did lie detector thing with Elle and Dakota Fanning. Her and her sister?
00:22:32
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Yeah. And it's so funny. I love seeing them interact. It's so funny. They're adorable. Yeah.
00:22:41
Speaker
Okay, you have to explain something to me. ah Because the Now You See Me movie, you remember the first one with Jesse Eisenberg? I hated it.
00:22:53
Speaker
What? It was so dumb. I'm sorry. It was dumb. And then it's got all these sequels and I'm literally just like... why it's fun it's a fun movie oh it's i'll have to revisit it but i just remember watching it the first time and then i think i re-watched it when it got released and i was like i think this is stupid ah thought it was fun i don't i really and i like jesse eisenberg believe me i like him a lot and all the other actors that are in it it's not them it's
00:23:28
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Sorry, i don't get it I don't. It's fine. Everyone's got the say wrong opinions. okay it It was the same reaction like when Twilight got turned into a movies. I was like, why?
00:23:45
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Why are we doing this? I mean, they got their money, so good for them. I'm happy for them for that. But I don't get it. and Right now, it's just like so bad it's good you know and the nostalgia is why it's still popular but people people and now you they do and i and i believe me i saw them in theaters but i kind of went a little bit ironically so when i went with my sisters i was just making jokes the whole time i'm so sorry so sorry couldn't help
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And then when I went and saw the very, very last one, I was sitting next to a teenage girl that was so excited to be there. So I couldn't say anything. like, I can't ruin her experience. And I don't know her. So
00:24:37
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anyway, when's the new Dune coming out? I think sometime next year, maybe. I'm looking forward to that. I think 2026 is going to have a lot of good movies coming out. Hopefully.
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Hopefully. So cool.
00:24:59
Speaker
Well, we've been talking about all of this for like 25 minutes. Now do you want get to get the subject too as we do, as we do? Yeah.
00:25:10
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All right.
Midnight Mass Wrap-Up: Character and Theme Analysis
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So if we are just doing a wrap up episode for midnight mass. Um,
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going to talking about our top characters, um favorite monologues, episodes, overall themes, stories, and kind of talking about the episode as a whole with everything that we know now and can talk about freely.
00:25:36
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So so I guess I'll ask you first, what were your top three favorite characters? Top three
00:25:47
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favorite characters. Okay. In order? We'll do in order. We'll do in order.
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um
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Okay.
00:26:07
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This might be... odd but I think Bev is my favorite character not because I like her as in the character but the performance and like the subtleties and the depth and like just being able to just analyze her she makes me and makes her one of my favorite why You like a horrible person as a character? no I don't like her, but as character, character character to think about and analyze, yes, she's fascinating.
00:26:43
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um I guess I'll go with my favorite character. My one and two are tied, so I'll keep that in mind when I say my next one. But I'm going to say Riley as my number one.
00:26:55
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um And um I think the actor did a great job. I think that goes into rating characters. I think the performance is really important. Yes. So I hope you connect with them.
00:27:07
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um So I really like the actor. i think he did a great job. totally blanking on his name right now um but enjoyed him and had some great monologues and had a great arc that I'll talk about later yeah that's my number one nice my number one and two are tied so again um Riley is definitely a favorite yeah the depth of his character the way the actor portrayed him was so good
00:27:43
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It really was. Yeah. I wish he could be more eloquent and like, but I'm like, oh, he's good. He's good. He's a good character. I like him.
00:27:54
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He act good.
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ahead.
00:28:08
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My number two is going to be Father Paul slash Monsignor. Yes. Again, i don't I don't want to say too much because I am going to be talking about him later as well. Okay.
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and I just don't want to be redundant. You know, I don't want to say things over and over again and be boring. Um, I really love the actor. I loved the energy that he puts into the sermons, but i also love the, that he tones it down he feels human when he's talking to other characters. He's really, he really feels like he has that connection and it's truly wanting to listen to them and help them.
00:28:50
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Yeah. Um,
00:28:54
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And same thing as Riley. I just love his arc and the journey that he goes on and his path. So that's my number two. Nice.
00:29:05
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Yeah. What about your third? My third, I could say father Paul. I could say Aaron. I could say, know, Dr. Sarah, I'm, I'm going with Lisa. Okay.
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Her.
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Lisa, that, that, that speech she gives to, oh my gosh, what's his name? Joe, Joe Colley.
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ah Joe Colley was just so good and moving and perfect.
00:29:45
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It just, it made her such a complex, because, you know, when she was in her wheelchair, she was, you know, sweet, submissive, just, you know, being the positive injured kid, poor thing, you know, and then she's healed and she takes that power and she confronts him and ultimately forgives him. So that story arc, I think, was so good. Mm-hmm.
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And the way of the actor, the way she portrayed it was very well done. Absolutely. Yeah. I like that choice. It's a good choice. ah We're on the same wavelength today, I guess. So of my, my third favorite character is Bev too.
00:30:30
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Yeah. I, it's one of those characters you love to hate her. and She makes it so easy to hate her. She's just so, I know I said it before, but she's just so fascinating. Yeah.
00:30:43
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Yeah, the choices that she makes and how you watch her react and and how she's able to flip things in her favor and sort of.
00:30:58
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move herself in power over others because of it is exactly she's wicked smart um yeah i again love to hate her great character because not you hate her so much and it's well done And she could have easily, as an actor, she could have easily overacted all of the things and made them obvious.
00:31:26
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All of those little situations. But she just was so subtle about it. And she used micro expressions and...
00:31:37
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It was just so brilliant. I would love to like just ask questions like between her and Mike Flanagan and just like pick their brains. like Who did what?
00:31:49
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yeah Whose idea was what? Did you have to direct her that much or did she just take it I'm like basing it on her previous projects with him, but I'd be more inclined to lean towards it's more her, her choices.
00:32:08
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um But so good. So brilliant. Yeah. It made the, it kind of, I mean, there was, there's so many factors that made this series so masterful, but her performance made me Like, love it. Does that make sense?
00:32:25
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Like everything in it was was fantastic, but then her subtleties... in that made me made it like that much better. i think you could write an entire um course syllabus, honestly, about acting and and directing and writing and how all three are different and how they all can come together based off of, honestly, her character alone.
00:32:55
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I agree. Because her lines are great. everyone I think everyone's lines in this series are great. the um The monologues are are well done. And I think that's that's on Mike Flanagan because he wrote it, right?
00:33:12
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But I think the way that... Was it Samantha Sloyan? Something like that? The way that she...
00:33:23
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performs and just brings those words to life is what makes an actor. And, um, I've always kind of had a hard time a little bit being like, who's a good actor and who's not. And why are they, why are they, why do I like that? Why are they a good actor?
00:33:39
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Um, she makes it so easy. She really does. And it's like, God, that's, that's what's going on. And you can compare that to, um, Kate, some of the Kate Siegel's,
00:33:53
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performances in the show and you're just like that felt a little bit off and so you can be like oh okay i can see how performance um versus writing works so i really love her quiet intensity in a lot of her monologues when she's using scripture to get a point across mm-hmm And you can see, i don't know if this was intended in the writing, but you can see in the moment when she's kind of, like you said, she's adjusting to the situation and trying to begin gain that little bit of power over somebody else.
00:34:33
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You can see like her inner machinations working, you know, and then she like connects it to a scripture and she's quoting it. And it just, she has this, like I said, quiet intensity that just makes it that much more powerful in the moments.
00:34:50
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It just brings it. I mean, I was going to say it like brings it to life, but like on another like extra level. Mm hmm.
00:35:01
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and she's just, she's just so perfectly evil. And i the whole thing with, with like Joe Colley's dog and like, ah she's not trying to hide the fact that it was her. Like it's pretty, pretty easy to to tie the points to her, but she is able to weave it. So no one can like outright blame her or right charge her. return Translated to real life people.
00:35:29
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people that are just naturally good don't think that way. So they're not going to assume that she did that because they would never do something like that, which is why people like that can get away with things, you know, especially when they're really good manipulators and they're deceitful and then they turn, flip things, you know, flip the script around on you to, to, to make you the bad guy or what have you in whatever situation. So,
00:36:00
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But yeah, if you're paying attention to her, and it took me couple of watches to really connect the dots between the poisoning.
00:36:12
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of the dog and of of father Paul and to figure out, okay, what is going on? And then, you know, you watch it again and you're like, oh there it is. There it is. like You see her drop the hot dog.
00:36:24
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You see her walking with the poison, you know, all those times connected to the events. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:33
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right. I guess we could move into we'll do monologues. What are your, talk about your favorite monologues. You can do top three if you want, or just, um I'm going to do top three, but.
00:36:44
Speaker
Are we including sermons in the monologues? Absolutely. I mean, we can, but I kind of think sermons should be their own. Okay. We can do that.
00:36:58
Speaker
Oh gosh. I don't know if I could pick like a favorite. Okay. I need a second. Cause if I have to pick like my absolute top favorite monologue, I got to look at my summary. Hold on. Okay.
00:37:18
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I did do a little bit of prep. I promise.
00:37:24
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Probably better than me. Uh, probably not. Okay.
00:37:37
Speaker
Which episode was it? I gotta look up the episode list. um So sorry. You're fine.
00:37:50
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The episode where...
00:37:59
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Riley's been turned and they have like that day long a a style meeting. Episode five. was That was episode five gospel.
00:38:11
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Yeah.
00:38:16
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I think.
00:38:21
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Goodness, I need my notes.
00:38:30
Speaker
Wasn't there Father Paul had he had kind of a monologue in that one, didn't he? Yeah, I would say so.
00:38:43
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Yeah.
00:38:47
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You see, I do my prep and because it's all out, it's not in here anymore. So I need to navigate my notes because that's where it lives now. It doesn't live in my head anymore.
00:39:00
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I can, I can talk about my favorite monologues. That would be so helpful. Yep. I can that. I think I'll start with my number three.
00:39:13
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Okay. Okay. something that you talked about earlier of your favorite character or your third favorite character being Lisa. Yeah. i put my number three monologue is her confrontation with Joe.
00:39:27
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I just thought that was good choice, a really good monologue. And like, like you said, it's, it's, it just feels realistic, you know, the, I forgive you, but you hurt me. And I,
00:39:44
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I have these feelings towards you and it's not like we're going to be friends, but I can't hold onto this pain anymore. So I forgive you.
00:39:56
Speaker
It's just, it's, it's so good. And it just encapsulates, I think this, this, series and um how how mike flanagan writes i just even though there's the this uh the horror element or the supernatural horror element to it of the vampire i just feel like everything is so realistic in in terms of real world personal relationships and tragedy and everything like that i can talk about that more later when i think back on the show i don't immediately remember the horror aspects i remember all these other parts all the humanity and then it's like oh yeah and then there's a whole bunch of like graphic and bloody vampire horror exactly
00:40:47
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so i think i'm gonna say my third favorite is
00:40:54
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that monologue in that extended AA meeting with Riley that father Paul gives. I could just listen to him, that character, like talk, talk and talk.
00:41:05
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Yeah.
00:41:07
Speaker
Oh, he's, oh, he's going to be in something soon. Is ze Oh my word. I can't remember. Cause I've seen it.
00:41:16
Speaker
Hold on. I'm to pull it Cause it's going to kill me. Otherwise. so
00:41:22
Speaker
Oh, I'm sorry. it's I've been seeing ads for Gen v which is ah a side series of the boys. Oh. And he's he's I think he's like a principal in that show. So I i want to go watch that series because he's in it.
00:41:38
Speaker
I think he'd be good.
00:41:42
Speaker
You would not like it, i don't think. No, I would not. i seen enough I've seen enough of the boys to understand that it's not for me. Yeah. So i I want to go watch that because he's in it.
00:41:56
Speaker
I'm sorry. Anything else you wanted to say about that monologue? No. Okay. Okay. My second favorite, I think, is going to be... it's i don't know if this is cheating. It's going to be both Riley and Aaron talking about death.
00:42:15
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I agree. Yeah. Because they both have monologues. think both of are great. I want to tie them both yeah together. I couldn't put one over the other. Yeah. yeah so yeah. That's my number two.
00:42:30
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there ah They're both respectful
00:42:35
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in the way that they have differing ideas, but that doesn't mean that have to
00:42:43
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As we talked about how they kind of reverse perspectives later, they're connected even in that scene where they, like you said, seemingly they're opposite, but they're not.
00:42:53
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't leave out Liza's confrontation of Joe. So I think I'm going to put it as like an honorable mention.
00:43:06
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Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
00:43:11
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Cause I appreciate the performance, the intensity. ah love that she holds him accountable.
00:43:19
Speaker
She's explaining like what he did to her, like making him really understand the gravity of what happened to her before extending that grace to him.
Monologues and Episodes: Emotional Impact
00:43:32
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Do you think he, He understood before that, like, cause he obviously felt guilt over it, but do you really think he avoided it? i think he was, I think he didn't let him live in it.
00:43:44
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He didn't let himself live in it. That's what the alcohol was for. It was his escapism. Okay. Which is why it hit him so hard to be confronted with that because he had not apologized, atoned.
00:44:00
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forgiven himself i mean that grief of what you how you've affected somebody else like that fundamentally is never going to go away can eventually become at peace with it but he avoided all of those steps by drinking which is why his reaction was so profound
00:44:26
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I've got to say my number one favorite monologue is going to be Riley in episode two, the first AA meeting. That's a good one. Yeah.
00:44:38
Speaker
That's a really good one. but Not only do we get like a taste of what happens in later episodes of like the, I'm i'm going to say banter that, cause that's the only other word I can't think of the right word that I want to use, but the, the conversations between him and father Paul about religion, God, alcoholism, um,
00:45:02
Speaker
all that kind of stuff. It's just, it's so well done. And it's it easily one of the most entertaining and captivating things about the show. And we've got vampires in this show, you know? so withpis yeah It's it's honestly
00:45:20
Speaker
so much fun to watch. Um, and I just really like his monologue in episode two about he, how he's, um, he's saying like nothing good came out of me killing someone.
00:45:32
Speaker
Like I did that. Um, how, how is that a gift? You know? Um, yeah, I just, I loved what he was saying.
00:45:44
Speaker
I thought I agreed with it. I'm just saying I i really like that. You give me a side look there and like... yeah No, I'm not. I'm just joking.
00:45:56
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Calm down.
00:46:00
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I... My favorite has to be... father paul's confession with god before he goes back and meets his congregation again as who he is now that whole sequence with the wood carved images um he's like almost trying to convince himself that what he's doing is right as he is like you making a confession to God and apparently apologizing for what he's about to do, but he's still going to do it.
00:46:35
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Says so much about his psyche and his, um, his motivations and his performance. So good. It's this quiet moment, but he's just wrapped in it.
00:46:51
Speaker
Like it's, it's just so good. Mm-hmm. And it's just such an integral part of like the whole show also.
00:47:01
Speaker
anything that he was saying or, or doing, just, it was so good to me. I loved hearing it. Like a I just loved hearing him talk. I like, I, even when he went a little manic at the end, like I still enjoyed listening to the, to the sermons and the preaching and, and all of that.
00:47:23
Speaker
Yeah. What about your favorite episodes?
00:47:31
Speaker
I think I'm going to start with my number three was episode three. because we're starting to get the story developed. We're starting to get more attached to these characters that we're getting more backstory on them. I think this is when we got the backstory on what, like who father Paul actually is like that. He's Pruitt. I think we're, I think that's the monologue that you were talking about.
00:47:56
Speaker
yeah um We get Lisa confronting Joe Colley, the poisoning of the dog, like things are happening in this episode. It's starting to pick up a little bit more. Um, so that's my number three.
00:48:12
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I'm not copying you, but I agree. You're allowed to have the same opinions. It's probably my third favorite. It's, it's all the exposition that's coming out is well done.
00:48:27
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Um,
00:48:31
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The events, the the moments that like catapult us towards the conclusion that are already like happening. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:48:44
Speaker
my number two is going to be episode five. Okay. And that's like the whole Riley's locked up in the convention center for a whole day episode where let's like half of it. We get the, the first bit is like, we just saw Riley get attacked by the,
00:49:04
Speaker
the angel in the last episode. So like what's, what's going on where is he? And we get none of him and the first little bit of the episode. that adds some, some good tension. um And of course I'm blanking on what happens in the beginning of that episode, but it's still entertaining.
00:49:23
Speaker
And then we get to all of that with him and father Paul or Pruitt, I guess. Yeah. all of all of the conversations and then we get him walking around at night and then going to go see Aaron and then his talk with Aaron and it's just and the ending of that episode is just ugh it's so sad but it's so good that's my number two my number two is ah book for Lamentations okay I am
00:50:01
Speaker
think that's the
00:50:06
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That's the one with with Riley and Aaron having their discussion. That's the one with Father Paul really wrestling with himself with his own soul. um That one image of him just on the floor, like pleading with God or angel or whoever he's praying to in that moment.
00:50:33
Speaker
Is that the one where he... dies dies or is that an in book three
00:50:43
Speaker
where he's turned completely i can't i think it's four yeah yeah yeah lamentations is my number two nice my number one is episode six I knew it.
00:51:09
Speaker
it was either going to be episode six or seven for you. I put six because it's like, I, in my opinion of the whole series, is that's the climax. That's when it is. Yeah. Everything is revealed.
00:51:23
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um And what we've been building up towards happens. And you're like, Oh no, what,
00:51:35
Speaker
is a result of this like what happens after this and it's i i just love that whole episode so the it keeps building and building the pressure keeps building and building and then at the end we it the pot explodes i don't know why i chose a pot but for my metaphor but but it explodes the trauma the trauma yeah it was a really good episode i think I think episode six has some of my favorite moments.
00:52:05
Speaker
Their walk to the church while they're singing is really beautiful. um That's one of my favorite moments, I think. I have a lot of little like favorite moments here and there, but that's definitely in the top.
00:52:19
Speaker
um But I can't choose it as my favorite episode just because of how traumatic that end scene was.
00:52:29
Speaker
When everybody it dies and is turned and they turn on each other and it's just terrible. It's too, it's a little too scary. So I have to say my overall favorite episode is is book five.
00:52:43
Speaker
Okay. I like that. Yeah. That fits.
00:52:50
Speaker
It does. For the same reasons you liked it, it's got the sequence you know with with um Riley and Father Paul. It's got the sequence where he's walking around town and he's contemplating.
00:53:04
Speaker
He's kind of quietly saying goodbye to his family. And then he reveals everything to Aaron. And then his ah death, the way that was done, and Just amazing. Like everything he said was sealed with a burning pyre of himself.
00:53:24
Speaker
And his like showing his perspective versus hers was shocking. And it it sticks with you and it like it lasts and it just kind of seals everything for her to be able to go on and, you know, know that things are going to happen and be bad and she needs to, you know, he he wants her to run away, but he's like, you're not gonna.
00:53:47
Speaker
So you need to know all the things. Yeah.
00:53:54
Speaker
So good. It's so sad. I know.
00:53:58
Speaker
That's the way that it ended. Like, I know that's not what we're talking about is, is the only way it could have ended for it to not be a typical kind of quote, Hollywood type ending unexpected, but really is the natural conclusion that it needed to be.
00:54:19
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. Um,
00:54:27
Speaker
Yeah, I can talk about it now. i I love this show because because of that, because of the where the story goes, where character arcs go, it feels natural. It's not like the typical...
00:54:42
Speaker
ah we're going to end things off on a good note and make you feel good. No, it's, it's people experience trauma and it's how they deal with it, how they get over it. um How do people act when they're faced with death? Like it's people die. Like that's going to happen. People are going to die.
00:55:00
Speaker
um And one of the biggest metaphors, this show has is addiction and it's like that people get addicted to things and it it's not easy but you can live with it you can get help for it um it's everything's not going to end up what sun shines in the daisies you know um and the that's something I really loved about the show is just that it felt indicative of real life, even though you've got vampires and all that in this, in the show. Vampires are like the, like bottom of the list of what this show is about. Yeah. It's, it's, it's just adding to metaphor. It's not, yeah. Um,
00:55:47
Speaker
I'm like, oh yeah, and it has vampires. Yeah. But talking about episode five, I love how it kind of subverts expectations because we saw what could have been Riley's death in the previous episode. And it's like, oh, he could have just died there. Yeah.
00:56:08
Speaker
I guess what a lot of Hollywood movies, TV shows do is if a character almost dies or like comes back from the dead, they're usually going to be sticking around there till the end. They're, they're going to survive and whatever else is going to happen. And so it kind of plays with that and like, okay, he almost died.
00:56:24
Speaker
he he's been resurrected. You could say um he should be safe and nope. He dies at the end of this episode. It's like, he's not the main character. um he After all, yeah. After all, he's he's he's a goner. He's going to die and there's no second chances.
00:56:43
Speaker
So anyway. yeah that was his That was his second chance. I guess. For him. for yeah From his perspective. you know I think he really felt himself irredeemable.
00:56:58
Speaker
And that's how he was viewing himself after the accident. Yeah.
00:57:06
Speaker
And so that he had no other choice but to... To save everybody by... Yeah. yeah Doing what he did. Yeah.
00:57:21
Speaker
where is where's your cat he's curled up he's curled up with his paws over his eyes that is the cutest yeah he does that all the time sorry i saw that not to share with no that's so cute yeah
00:57:40
Speaker
he does it all the time where he'll just like have his paws over his face like that he's just like so tired I have my my female cat will lay on the couch just on her back.
00:57:52
Speaker
You know, just like this. But my cat that I adopted out, and he lives his best life in Hawaii now. He just, on the floor, just on his back.
00:58:03
Speaker
All his legs, you know, spread out. So funny.
00:58:09
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his new mom sent me a picture of him sleeping like that. I'm like, he feels at home. Exactly. that's So cute.
00:58:18
Speaker
Side quest with cats. So who do you think had the best character arc in the show? Hmm.
00:58:30
Speaker
I think the obvious answer is Riley, but also Father Pruitt. Because he was the guy making everything happen.
00:58:41
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And then he didn't realize until the very end, but then he, you know, turned himself around at the very end and realized what he had done was wrong. So probably Father Pruitt.
00:58:54
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I had him as well. Yeah. Because he did a complete 180. one eighty While still being sort of true to to his core character, that makes sense. Right. He very misguided.
00:59:10
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he was ah very miss guided and let his deepest fears overtake him. It kind of explains his actions as to why he brought, I don't want to call him angel seems wrong, but the demon bringing the demon to their Island was very self-centered as we learn later. It's because he had that big fear of death and he wanted to spend time with with the woman he loved and with his daughter those were his motivations and he was at the end of his life and reflecting and oh i messed up i should have lived my life this other way but i didn't but here's this other chance to do it again the way i want it to now without you know
00:59:58
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Even consulting that maybe other people wouldn't want that. Like as we learn that ah Mildred, is that Sarah's mom's name? Mildred? She wouldn't want that. She was like, it's the end of our life.
01:00:10
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I'm done. I'm good. Yeah. I liked it. You know, maybe it could have been different, but like that's what we, it's how it went and that's what it's supposed to be. Mm-hmm.
01:00:22
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Typical man, just to see. Sorry. I've been married for a long time. It's a very respectful, it's a very man thing to do.
01:00:36
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I get it, yeah. Yeah. That's why we're different. That's why there's, it's balance. Exactly. Exactly. I love...
01:00:50
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Well, everything that you said, absolutely, 100%. But i just i love that he
01:00:58
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he wasn't portrayed as the like the usual religious leader where it's zealotry. um mean, we get that with Bev, but... He gets a little zealous towards the end.
01:01:09
Speaker
Yeah, but... A little bit. it's he's It's coming from a place of... Am I using this right? Altruism? Like he genuinely, it feels like- His perceived altruism.
01:01:24
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I feel like as well, he is being selfish, yeah. But I think he also is – he does want the best for people. And he really right is it is trying to be that shepherd he's because that's the mantle that he feels like he's taken up. He's he's trying to be that – to guide people and help them out.
01:01:47
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And i I really believe that in his conversations with Joe, in his conversations with Riley. Um, it genuinely feels like he cares for these people and he wants them to be their best and to be true.
01:01:59
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um
01:02:02
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yeah something that's sticking out to me is is at that moment where he's talking with Ryan, I think in the beginning and he yells at him and he's like, be honest with me, be honest with yourself. And getting, he's, he's very peace passionate person. And i love seeing that passion come out, but I ah just genuinely think that he was trying to be a good person.
01:02:26
Speaker
But like you said, he was just misguided. And then we see that how he realizes that he was at the end and that he tried to change, but it was too late. I think that speaks to just as people ourselves keeping our own focuses correct.
01:02:48
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I don't know how to say this. Like his perception was skewed. So then his actions, although at his heart, he thought he was doing the right thing were then skewed.
01:02:59
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So his motivations and everything got, got, uh, um, what is the word I need? know I don't know what it is.
01:03:13
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Sorry. I can't be a mind reader. That's okay. It's not in my mind, so it wouldn't help anyway. But oh the way he's viewing things and his, like I said, his motivations and his perception, so his reality in believing that this is how um
01:03:38
Speaker
resurrection is supposed to happen is wrong. So all of his other actions and perceptions are wrong, right? Does that make him a bad person overall? No, because as soon as he snaps out of that at the very, at the very end, then he's making, you know, the right decisions within his, his ability and control.
01:03:59
Speaker
so Relating that to real life, making sure that our own perceptions and motivations are correct. It doesn't matter if we're a good person, you have to have that baseline be healthy and morally correct enough so that our actions affect other people in a positive way. Does that make sense?
01:04:21
Speaker
Yeah. All right. Okay. yeah see my my categories he just he does yeah perfect yep um and i i think that again that adds to you just why i thought his arc was it was good because he was flawed you know exactly you got to see him recognize recognize his mistakes and try to fix them and and in the end not be perfect but right just trying to be better the influence of of mildred to help him see that yeah well are you trying to say that we all need a woman in our life yes a good one yes tell us what to do
01:05:02
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yep
01:05:06
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maybe not tell you what to do, but to definitely kick you back onto the right way of thinking. Yeah. Yeah. um Real quickly, you want to talk about some of the the season-wide themes that were developed?
Themes of Addiction and Redemption in Midnight Mass
01:05:24
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Yeah. You already talked a little bit about addiction. There's redemption. There's forgiveness. There's power.
01:05:37
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who You've already named like half of them. so That was just off the fly. Off the top of your your head? Off the top of my smart little head.
01:05:49
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Obviously faith and faith versus doubt. Faith versus. Good versus evil. and Another reason why I love the writing in the, in this series was just how well he weaves in these themes together. Like I feel like, um, addiction and and guilt and all that can be laced into faith and doubt and it affects Riley's faith and how he perceives, um, what God is to himself.
01:06:18
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I word that terribly, but I hope you understand what I was trying to You did great. Okay. ah There's also doubt the effect that an isolated community has on all those. Yes. I was going to say community and power yeah death, immortality.
01:06:42
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The balance of, you know, fundamentalism with extremism, forgiveness and redemption. isnt What I appreciate the most is the point of the show wasn't to say one thing over the other as far as beliefs.
01:07:04
Speaker
Right. It's the human behavior. hmm. So Bev is the character that would make you never want to go to church again ever. Right.
01:07:16
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Yeah. While as like father Pruitt or Riley's parents would be the ones that would really make you want to be involved in the community like that.
01:07:27
Speaker
You know people who really practice the teachings of the religion in their heart, instead of using it to beat people over the head and gain power and advantage.
01:07:39
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yeah. so And then there's the the folks that just kind of blindly go with the strongest personality. You know, speaking of Lise's parents, they just kind of are like the sheep the sheep, like Sturge. He just kind of does what he's told until, you know, the end where he's like, oh, actually, this was not good. I should not have been doing this.
01:08:02
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and so and And so it's not saying religion is bad. It's not saying atheism is bad. It's not preaching to us. It's just exposing and showing us what it is.
01:08:15
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right And people have the opinion that institutionalized religion is bad. Does it produce things like this? Not vampires, obviously. Yes, it does produce people like this. Vampires in a way.
01:08:29
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and in a way. no In a way. People who just suck the soul out of you. There are emotional vampires and all of them. They really do just suck your energy.
01:08:42
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yeah It's just kind of showing what is in the human condition and it doesn't matter what institution you're in, whether it's a Christian institution, whether it's you know and it in
01:08:56
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and a pagan you know or you know, even if it's not a religion, but some other kind of organization, there's always going to be power struggles and dynamics and users and takers and people that really just have the really good things at heart.
01:09:17
Speaker
don't be a sheep. Don't be a sheep. Don't be the follower that's like, I kind of think this is wrong because you could see Sturge. I like his character a lot. You could see his inner turmoil, but in the end, he still chose to just do what he was told because Bev's personality was so strong.
01:09:34
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He could have been stronger. He could have made different choices. You can be a sheep, but just have the wisdom and the knowledge to choose your leaders wisely. Yeah.
01:09:47
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Yeah. I guess that's a goal. I like that. Yeah. You can be a sheep, but make sure, you know, you're following the right shepherd. Nice.
01:09:57
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Yeah. Cause I, obviously you can't have all shepherds, you know, right. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Same, yeah same sort of analogy. Um, like right people are going to have to be sheep, um, but you don't have to be a sheep all the time and you don't have to be a dumb sheep either. So exactly. Very good.
01:10:16
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I like that. Just use your brain. people Use your brain. Yep.
01:10:25
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Don't let other people tell you what you should or not think. Yep. Agreed. Speaking about what you should think. um
01:10:37
Speaker
I think the final thing that we should do is re-rank the Flanagan series.
Flanagan Series Rankings and Scary Moments
01:10:45
Speaker
Okay. What's our, what are just the shows we've covered? Yeah. I'm just, I'm just doing the four because we've got. Okay. And you have things going on with, uh, okay.
01:10:58
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I'm sure.
01:11:02
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So just just, I don't even know how to approach that. If at all. I personally can't yet because I haven't watched all of it. So like I, I know conscious I can't talk about it.
01:11:15
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So barring that, probably the the four midnight mass is the inspiration for this whole podcast. We saved it for last because I think it's the best. It's the most impactful. it It's got the most meaning to it.
01:11:31
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um
01:11:34
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Is that your number one also? I started with, of course, number one, of course. um I think it's hard to say otherwise. Yeah. I did change my mind a little bit on Hill House, so I'm going to put that as my number two. Okay.
01:11:51
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My number two is going be Bly Manor.
01:11:54
Speaker
But they flip-flop all the time. like I know when we after we watched Hill House, I was like, oh, I think I might like Hill House more than Bly Manor. And then we watched Bly Manor, like, oh, I might like Bly Manor more than Hill House.
01:12:06
Speaker
Interesting. I just love Bly Manor because of it the gothic sort of horror love story that it's got going on. yeah And it's just, I don't know. They're both so good. It's hard.
01:12:21
Speaker
And I, it is so hard. I can't guarantee that it's going to stay the same place. I guarantee you that mine in one and four are always going to be the same, but I can't two and three always going different. And it's, we had, so well, I switched because we had so much more to talk about in a Hill House than we did in Bly Manor.
01:12:38
Speaker
Yeah. Not to, to put that down at all, because upon my, my first reactions, I liked Bly Manor better than Hill House because I think Hill House just had more of the typical horror tropes, which I felt was a little bit lazy.
01:12:53
Speaker
But then as we were going into each episode and analyzing it and I was watching it again and again, um And the subtle things. The depth a little bit more, the subtle things, the themes, the family, the complexities.
01:13:06
Speaker
It was a lot funner of a watch that time. And Bly Manor, it was more gothic beauty know simplistic and simplistic and it had that it still had kind of like a happy ending but appropriate for what the show was it didn't force like a happy ending it just kind of was what was gonna kind of happen i did think it was a little strange we don't have to analyze this but like the kids forgetting about what had happened i thought that was a little different but anyway yeah so fly manor would be number three for me
01:13:46
Speaker
And we've got the same number four in Midnight Club. Midnight Club. Fun show. Fun show. Not Target. arguments No, we were not. Yeah. But that's okay.
01:13:57
Speaker
I still enjoyed it. A lot of things, more than I thought to talk about, we ended up discussing. Mm-hmm. and that And I loved the author Christopher Pike.
01:14:11
Speaker
And so to have ah whole series dedicated to his stories was fun. it was so fun.
01:14:19
Speaker
that's That's a great way to describe it. yeah Just fun. Yeah. Still had a lot of heart and meaning to it. Yep. um I think in terms of jump scares, if we're cheating, that one won by landslide.
01:14:39
Speaker
i think of that like that first episode, you had 20 or 30 jump scares or something like that. um I think if you take those away, I think it still might have the highest. I don't know.
01:14:54
Speaker
um I counted, if I can get my document to work,
01:15:00
Speaker
There it is. I think I have 13 total for Midnight Mass. Yeah. And I don't remember the specific number for the other two, but I don't think it was as high.
01:15:13
Speaker
I think ah so. If we're ranking in numbers of jump scares, it would be Midnight Club, Hill House, Bly Manor. Yeah. I don't know. Does Bly Manor have more than Midnight Mass? No, I think Midnight Mass had more. I i think we were going through and like, oh, Bly Manor doesn't really have that much. really didn't. It had a couple of... Yeah, it had some really good ones. And I loved that they didn't overuse Jump Scares. I mean, not that they were any ever overused except for episode one, but that was on purpose. so Right.
01:15:44
Speaker
Yeah.
01:15:47
Speaker
Cool. Yeah. um I think that's it think That's all I have to to talk about, about midnight mass. And, um, what are, i'm going to ask you a question.
01:16:01
Speaker
I'm excited. What thinking back, what are the top three moments that you're always going to, that are just going to stick with you? Cause that's why I like this show is with you.
01:16:19
Speaker
Instantly, the first one that pops into my head is Nellie screaming in the car in Midnight Mass when... Oh, I'm forgetting the other two sisters.
01:16:31
Speaker
But um Kate Siegel's character and then the oldest sister, they were driving in the car to Hill House towards the end. Oh, you're talking about Hill House? Hill House. right Specifically. specifically Midnight Mass? ohnight mass Oh, okay.
01:16:46
Speaker
I thought you were talking about. Like a show overall. Okay. In terms of Midnight Mass,
01:16:58
Speaker
I'd say the first jump scare.
01:17:04
Speaker
right So when the boys, I think it's the first episode when the boys go to that little island, like the Upbirds, I think is what they call it. And they're just hanging out drinking, being teenagers, hooligans.
01:17:19
Speaker
And they shine the light over and it's the the demon angel. and it just stands up. I say that because not only is it just a great jump scare and it like it's so well done, um but it's like one of the first things that tells you, hey, this is what's going on with the show. this is going to be it's going to be kind of like supernatural. This is a.
01:17:51
Speaker
it It keeps you invested in the show is what I'm trying to say. And the situation around it is I was flying and the in an airplane the first time I was watching this and it got me so good that i jumped in my seat.
01:18:04
Speaker
So that's the moment that I will always remember. um
01:18:12
Speaker
Second one, Riley burning up because you just don't expect that. Yeah.
01:18:23
Speaker
ah There's so many good ones.
01:18:29
Speaker
Moments that are going to stick with me. Like when you next year, when you think about the show, what he what is it that you're going remember?
01:18:41
Speaker
What comes to your mind? There could be so many.
01:18:50
Speaker
So for me, it's all the moments with the eyes reflecting, like just all coupled into one. Like I will always remember that. Like the window one. Oh, that was, that creeps me out.
01:19:05
Speaker
Just thinking about it. Yep. Another moment is with the sheriff and his son, their last moments. Oh,
01:19:19
Speaker
I think kind of like everybody's last moments in their behaviors, really showing who they truly are. as I'm always going to, that sticks with me. That's always stuck with me.
01:19:33
Speaker
Ben's reaction, the the congregations, who chose who Father Pruitt chose to be with in his final moments, the kids. Mm-hmm.
01:19:45
Speaker
I think the final one that will stay with me is the whole story of father Pruitt in, was it Jerusalem?
01:19:57
Speaker
That when he goes into the cave, that the whole visualization of that story. Yeah. That's going to stay with me. That was definitely impactful.
01:20:08
Speaker
And then the other moments that I'm always going to remember is Riley's death and Aaron's death.
01:20:18
Speaker
That visual about Aaron's death. I know her monologue with that. Yeah, it does. It's disturbing. and But she's being heroic and gosh.
01:20:34
Speaker
Mm hmm. It's powerful. And then the shock factor of Riley's death. Yeah.
01:20:43
Speaker
For sure. Because I was already kind of talking about it. What about all of all four in general? If you could pick a top three moments that you're going to remember from all four.
01:20:56
Speaker
Okay. Let's see.
01:21:02
Speaker
So Midnight Mass, I think I'll stick with the end times, the end moments for all the characters, that sequence. That's staying with me. Bly Manor
01:21:17
Speaker
was the sequence with the lady from the lake, her last walk. Mm-hmm. where she was taking the little girl.
01:21:29
Speaker
I know what her name is. It's just not coming to me. And the the governess. Oh my gosh, the au pair. yeah It's been long enough for us to watch it. I'm not remembering names. I apologize. I can't remember them either. there But her being saved by the governess, that whole like final sequence, that that climax.
01:21:50
Speaker
And then let's see for Hill House...
01:21:55
Speaker
When the little neighbor girl dies and the mom is in like her psychosis, like deep in her psychosis, it was too scary. wait That's so sad. it is really so sad.
01:22:10
Speaker
And then in Midnight Club, it's just Anya.
01:22:15
Speaker
She took the whole show. That's true. Yeah.
01:22:21
Speaker
um I'm going to say for midnight mass, it's going to be me me clearing my throat, I guess it's good.
01:22:32
Speaker
It's good. The, the first vampire site sighting on the island in episode one, that's always going to stay with me. I think blind manor.
01:22:48
Speaker
that's so hard. Yeah. I think it's going to be the, oh my word, why can't I remember people's names?
01:22:59
Speaker
It's the bald lady at the bottom of the well. Oh, Mrs. Gross. Mrs. Gross. I think it's going to be her, the reveal that she was at the bottom of the well. I think it's going to stay with me.
01:23:13
Speaker
but just Just for the sake of picking something other than the lady at the lake being scary. You have to be different. have to be different give people variety you know uh midnight mass i was trying say it not midnight mass but um why did i say that hill house it's gonna be when nelly yells at the two older sisters when they're driving in the car yeah the jump scare of jump scares that one yeah that one's gonna stay with me yeah
01:23:49
Speaker
And then Midnight Club.
01:23:55
Speaker
out't There isn't much, but I think I'll have to agree with you on that one. Anya. Everything with Anya. She was just so good. That one episode where it makes you think that she was healed and out of the hospice.
01:24:08
Speaker
And then the reveal that she was dead already or dying. Oh my gosh. That gotcha. It did. really did. Yeah. I know the show was like about Alonka, but.
01:24:24
Speaker
That's fine. We decided about Anya. It's okay. We all know how I feel about Anya. Or not Anya, Alonka. We know. We know. Do you have anything else? If you don't, go back and listen. Yeah, yeah exactly.
01:24:43
Speaker
um i don't think so. I was kind of thinking maybe we could go into some of the Catholicism things that they go over, like what's a chasuble or what does ordinary time mean, but...
01:24:57
Speaker
I don't think that's necessary. i think we've kind of done our job here as far as what's pertinent for the show and reviewing that. So we'll just let that go and people can use Google the way I do.
01:25:09
Speaker
Exactly. We're not Catholics, so we're not even professionals on the subject. I was not baptized Catholic, but my father was. So am I half? I don't think that's how it works. No. I couldn't tell you. I don't know.
01:25:25
Speaker
Well, it's a special place in my heart. Yeah. Yeah.
Conclusion and Future Podcast Plans
01:25:32
Speaker
Well, thank you everyone who has joined us along this Flanna journey. Flanna journey. Flanna journey.
01:25:42
Speaker
Trademark. I'm not kidding.
01:25:47
Speaker
we are definitely going to continue doing something. um so we, we have EBD exciting news to share with you guys at a further date for now.
01:25:59
Speaker
just want to thank you about going on this journey with us and we've hoped you enjoyed it. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Appreciate everybody that's tuned in and listen to us.
01:26:11
Speaker
I appreciate it so much. Yep. Let us know what like your favorite characters were and not only night mass, but um all of the shows and what your favorite moments were, what moments are going to stick with you, that kind of thing.
01:26:24
Speaker
And if there's one of his movies that you think we should absolutely cover that we haven't already, please let us know. Please find us on Instagram fans of Flanagan pod.
01:26:36
Speaker
It's pretty easy to find. There's not another one out there. So yeah. Yeah. Well, we will see you guys later. Bye. i by
01:27:09
Speaker
Amen.