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Bonus Episode! Ouija: Origin of Evil (2016)
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With special guest, Seabass! This is a rewatch for Sebastian and first time experience for Noah and Laura. How does a horror movie like this have the audacity to actually be good? Especially because it is a prequel to an alleged terrible movie? Let's find out together here on Fans o'Flanagan!
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Introduction of Hosts and Guest
00:00:23
Speaker
Welcome back to a very special episode of Fans of Flanagan. I am Laura. And I'm Noah. And we have a special guest. We have... yo hey, it's Seabass.
00:00:36
Speaker
Cousin Seabass. So this is Sebastian, or Seabass, apparently. um
00:00:45
Speaker
I like it. I like the name. That's good. do you want to kind of introduce yourself, how we all know each other?
Family Connections Explored
00:00:54
Speaker
We are related. we are cousins. We are blood.
00:01:00
Speaker
and we are all on opposite ends of the country, but that's all right. Yeah.
00:01:07
Speaker
I don't want to give anything away, but you're you're not still where I remember you living, are you?
00:01:15
Speaker
No, I'm not too far away now. I'm being very vague right now. Yeah, I know. i don't want to dox anybody.
00:01:23
Speaker
No, I am not in the location that when when when your mom came to move to the state and crashed with me, I am no longer in that abode, if that's what you're referring to.
00:01:35
Speaker
Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Hey, you're about a half hour away from me. Yeah. So we're still pretty local. Yeah. Noah's the one that's far away.
00:01:46
Speaker
Yeah. Like a chum. Yeah. That's okay. I wish I wasn't here. I would love to move. I will want to get out of the state so bad. That's new info.
00:02:00
Speaker
that's that's new info I'm here because the wife keeps hearing that. that's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah, we support that.
00:02:11
Speaker
We support that. um So... Sebastian and I are first cousins and Noah is our, how does it work, first cousin once removed. His mother is our first cousin.
00:02:24
Speaker
After that, I have no idea what all relationship boardage is. I don't know what second cousins mean. don't know what first cousins first removed. i don't I don't get all that. but Well, I'll make it real simple for you. If you're second cousins, you can get married to each other in most states.
00:02:45
Speaker
I don't like that. it easier so Well, I was just thinking how my kids are his kids are hit. No, excuse me. My kids are his second cousins.
00:02:57
Speaker
Yeah, that sounds right. Let me rephrase that. Noah is the second cousin of my children, just like your children are the second cousins to my children. Let's move on because bringing up marriage between second cousins just has me a little little weirded out. so i don't think anyone wants to know too much about our family history.
00:03:17
Speaker
You guys are regretting inviting me on already. i apologize. I made it weird. Real quick. Real quick. No. It's just on par with us anyway. i've I've probably said worse.
00:03:31
Speaker
Well, you don't listen, so you wouldn't know, i guess. No, I i know. i know. I need to go back and listen. I know. no don't worry about it now. Let's just move on. So
00:03:45
Speaker
um let's throw it to
TV Shows and Viewing Habits
00:03:47
Speaker
Sebastian. What have you been watching? Anything interesting of note? Anything good, bad? Otherwise, I'm trying to get back in the swing of finding good stuff to watch because, you know, my master's program over the last two years just wiped out everything. Oh, congratulations. You just graduated with that degree. Yeah, thank you. Good job.
00:04:08
Speaker
Yeah, that's all right. So my routine has been, you know, two hours of homework and then 45 minutes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer because it's my my wife's first time through.
00:04:21
Speaker
obviously are you kidding me? Yeah. So it's it's that's amazing it's so much fun to to watch it but through fresh eyes. It makes it worth This, you know, 25 year old show. um still holds up in a lot of ways.
00:04:35
Speaker
couple ways hasn't aged well, but it's it's still really entertaining. How do you get through like the episodes that are just ridiculous? Because they had to put like almost 30 episodes in each season, so there's going to be a lot that are just kind of Like you get a little bit of the continuation of the plot that goes on through the whole season, but then that's like filled in with just ridiculous storylines, which I've watched it since it became available on streaming. But i I'm hesitant to start it again, even though I like the show because of those...
00:05:08
Speaker
like just ridiculous you know what i mean it's just the first couple seasons if if you're if if you're hesitant to stop at every episode you you cut out about the first half of first couple seasons and then so i can just jump in at season three well i mean there's i would say maybe watch like half half the episodes like the ones that you know are going to drive the plot and then skip the rest okay Skip the one where Xander joins a pack of man-eating hyenas. I remember that. Or when all the students were brainwashed into raising demon eggs or just, yeah, there's some really dumb ones.
00:05:48
Speaker
i'm I'm afraid to say this because you're going to say it's another show I have to watch, but I haven't seen Buffy. when you when you get to it when you get to it, if you do, it's not one that I'm going to be like, you have to watch. It went off the air 22 years ago. So if nothing else, we can forgive you.
00:06:06
Speaker
for for not having seen this rather old show now. um But, you know, if it really set the template for genre-bending entertainment where it can jump from thrilling to really funny or really dramatic or really romantic very quickly.
00:06:25
Speaker
And it's it's almost old hat now to watch a show do that, but it was really groundbreaking for anything on television to do that. And to be so genre focused and not shy away from the fantasy elements, because this is the 90s. You know, this is where everything was cops, doctors and lawyers or just teen dramas.
00:06:45
Speaker
And it it was there was nothing like it at the time. And, you know, so shows like Supernatural that came out afterwards and even shows like Smallville really have Buffy to to to open up the audience and say we can be weird and it's cool.
00:07:02
Speaker
Nice. Oh, yeah, I agree. Is it it isn't is it a Joss Whedon show? Yes. Yes. So it has that for it. Yeah. kind of That's one of the ways it hasn't aged well, but anyway, it's less about that's true. your light is your is Is your wife enjoying it so far? Oh, yeah. She loves it. In fact, she just fell asleep to re restarting at the very beginning.
00:07:32
Speaker
Oh, nice. Yeah. So she's ah she's upstairs watching and season one. Dozing off to that while I'm down here in the garage. That's awesome.
00:07:43
Speaker
Noah, what about you? Anything? Well, show related, I just finished up showing my wife, Parks and Rec. Yes. Sort of like the first mockumentary I had seen but before The Office. And maybe because of that, I like it more than The Office.
00:08:02
Speaker
i think it's a better show. I do. I really do after seeing it. Yeah. after like season two is like season three is is where it's, it's, she's not so much a Michael character and she becomes her own.
00:08:15
Speaker
And that's when it really flourishes for me. And, um, I just forgot how much I missed that show and how funny it is at some points. Um, so we, we just finished that. We, we enjoyed that quite a bit.
00:08:29
Speaker
Um, but we also have been making use of our AMC stubs membership and we have seen slew of movies, We watched The Accountant 2, which was a lot of fun. If you've seen the first one, i think it's better.
00:08:43
Speaker
um There's no need to see it if you haven't. But it's a fun watch. It's Jon Bernthal and Ben Affleck. And I've always really enjoyed Jon Bernthal for whatever reason. I like seeing him on um on the big screen when I'm favorite lines that he gives in is, is in baby driver.
00:09:06
Speaker
and he's walking away after they do the first heist. And he's like, well, if you don't see me again, means I'm dead. doing It's just really funny for some reason. Um,
00:09:17
Speaker
ah We went and saw Warfare, which is directed by, i believe, Alex Garland, who has done some really interesting things in the past. it I was worried it could fall into the trap of romanticizing war, and especially the some of the most recent ones that we fought in like Iraq, Afghanistan.
00:09:42
Speaker
Sorry, Iraq. But it doesn't, and It makes some really interesting choices, and I think if you're ever in the mood to watch a war movie, which it's hard to get in that mood, it's a good one to watch.
00:09:57
Speaker
um We watched the new Marvel movie, the Thunderbolts movie, which is... crazily after it it was good we i enjoyed it it's not like infinity saga marvel but it's it's better than the more recent marvel movies um it was enjoyable i thought but is it it was fun is it better than madam webb though oh come on miles
00:10:26
Speaker
my last visit to the toilet was better than madam you're a joking right of course Okay, okay, just checking.
00:10:35
Speaker
like My sarcasm meter is a little off tonight, sorry. It's okay, it's okay. um But they've they're doing this really weird thing where like a week after it's released, they're...
00:10:50
Speaker
releasing a new title for it or revealing the new title for it. And it's like, how, like, it's only been out a week and you're now, so it's not really a huge spoiler, but it's, it's like, why?
00:11:04
Speaker
Because it didn't do very well. They want more people to see it. So like, just kidding. It's not the Thunderbolt. It's actually the new Avengers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're even changing the posters.
00:11:16
Speaker
Weird choice. then Okay. Okay. yeah um That's a little bit of a pick me but cool. Right? A little bit. little bit the The movie is fun and enjoyable.
00:11:28
Speaker
um Yeah. Great cast. Great cast. Everyone was was harping on Florence Pugh's character about how she was really good but I really enjoyed John Walker's character. Okay. um I don't know what the actor's name is. I know he's a Wyatt Russell? hope Yeah, Wyatt Russell. He's one of the the but babies that are yeah coming along now, like Jack Quaid.
00:11:58
Speaker
ah No, Wyatt Russell. i For some reason, I enjoyed him in this one as well, and I don't think he's talked about enough. um Another movie watched yesterday was Until Dawn, which is a suckier cabin in the woods, in my opinion.
00:12:18
Speaker
it's not even that faithful to the video game adapt adaptation. adaptation Um, so it's, you don't see it. You know, there's no reason. And, uh, the last movie that I want to mention is we watched lit. We live in time with Andrew Garfield and again, Florence Pugh.
00:12:37
Speaker
So, um, I, my expectations were a little higher because I had heard people people talking about it when it first came out and said it was really good and it was really sad and they cried.
00:12:50
Speaker
I mean, it's sad, but it's, it was an all right movie.
00:12:55
Speaker
I don't think it was anything crazy. I think the nonlinear storytelling was interesting, but I don't know. It didn't do anything for me. Okay. So cool.
00:13:09
Speaker
What you got, Laura?
00:13:14
Speaker
ah My son and I just finished Attack on Titan yesterday. so Wow. I made it through the anime. How many episodes is that?
00:13:26
Speaker
Lots. um Like, I think it's ah under 100, I think. But the last two episodes, like the second to last is an hour and the very last one is like feature length.
00:13:41
Speaker
Story is is well done. It's told really well. I'm not an anime person and I'm still not. But the story was good. The root the the reveals were good. The mystery was good.
00:13:55
Speaker
Lots of emotion and passion as animes go. um No, I can't remember if you said you'd watched it already. i have not.
00:14:05
Speaker
Okay. yeah so I'm not really an anime person either. yeah I try to be to to to be the cool dad and understand what my kids are talking about, but I don't i don't have the patience.
00:14:18
Speaker
Yeah. Because each one is like 300 episodes. yeah Thankfully, this one has a conclusion and it's good.
00:14:28
Speaker
It's a good conclusion. I'll give it that and he's been I've been having him watch Lost in return. He's been enjoying that. and i finished watching Four Seasons. I think I started it last week and I just finished it this week.
00:14:44
Speaker
How was it? It's good. okay Not great? I liked it. it' No, not great. It's good. Yeah, it's kind of funny. It's not that serious.
00:14:58
Speaker
I was about to dive into that one, but on your lukewarm reception, i'm probably going to skip now. enjoyed it. There was like a surprise scene of nudity that I wasn't happy with, but I can tell you later, like, where spotman
00:15:17
Speaker
if you do want to watch it so you can skip it. oh But yeah, that's about it. Our life has been encompassed by it Attack on Titan and Lost.
00:15:28
Speaker
So I haven't really watched anything else other than those and squeezing in the fort. That's why it took me so long to finish four seasons because I didn't have as much time. But yeah.
00:15:42
Speaker
Cool. Nice. Nice.
Ouija: Origin of Evil - First Impressions
00:15:47
Speaker
So today we are actually on here talking about a movie that Sebastian recommended to me last summer. Yes.
00:15:57
Speaker
Out of all the movies directed by Mike Flanagan, you were so excited about Ouija origin of evil. Yes.
00:16:08
Speaker
Yes. So here we are. On the surface level, i was like, before I even knew this, this was directed by Mike Flanagan. Cause I think I had seen it while flipping through at one point.
00:16:23
Speaker
And like, that looks so stupid. right Like it's like tonight mid two thousands movies that just, that looks like every other sort of cheesy horror movie that was being pumped out.
00:16:38
Speaker
and then, um, before I had watched it, when we had already discussed that we were going to be doing this movie, I looked it up and I was like, an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes. What? Yeah.
00:16:53
Speaker
ah maybe Mike Flanagan does it again. Yeah. I mean, I think part of the reason why i like this movie so much is because it has no business being good. It is a prequel.
00:17:06
Speaker
It is a prequel to a terrible, terrible first movie that... shouldn't there you know It was ah obviously a lazy cash grab by inept filmmakers.
00:17:18
Speaker
ah Looked cheap, felt cheap, made a quick buck, and then just went away. And then somehow they roped Mike Flanagan into doing a prequel.
00:17:31
Speaker
And you know he just worked his magic with with the source material, which was a board game. For crying out loud. shit It's an evil board game. It's an evil board game.
00:17:44
Speaker
um It's directed by Mike Flanagan. it is written by Mike Flanagan and Jeff Howard. It is produced by Michael Bay and others, but he's got the top name there.
00:17:57
Speaker
um And I was pretty pleasantly surprised. There were a couple of parts where ah i laughed where I wasn't supposed to. Hmm. But overall it was, it really did exceed expectations, but I don't know how much that says because my expectations were kind of low, but you hyped it up some. So I was like, all right, let's see how good this is going to be.
Comparing Directors: Flanagan vs. White
00:18:25
Speaker
Real quick. I wanted to touch on that. This was a ah prequel to the original movie that came out, I believe in 2014. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um
00:18:36
Speaker
I was just interested in who directed it and what else he did. and looks like that's his only directorial
00:18:48
Speaker
sort of
00:18:51
Speaker
What the word I'm trying look for is... Anyway, his name is Stiles White, I believe. Stiles White. Stiles White, yeah. His only director credit is Ouija.
00:19:04
Speaker
um Oh, well, Ouija.
00:19:08
Speaker
ah But it looks like he helped write the screenplay for Knowing, which says enough. Oh, yes. Oh, yikes.
00:19:19
Speaker
So he's got a lot of written buy-in screenplay buy credits. so Not a lot of had a lot of stuff going on for him.
00:19:29
Speaker
he He wrote the screenplay for Boogeyman,
00:19:34
Speaker
which sta stars the great Barry Watson. yeah Barry Watson? Barry Watson.
00:19:46
Speaker
But yeah, Olivia Cooke was the original.
00:19:51
Speaker
If you ah follow House of Dragons at all, she was... I recognize her from other things because I haven't watched that. But ah yeah, the original Ouija has 4.5 out of 10 stars on IMDb. Yes, it does.
00:20:07
Speaker
Not even the fans like it. But this the prequel, Ouija Origin of Evil, made me kind of want to watch...
00:20:15
Speaker
The original, i was kind of like, oh, let's see what this is about. Especially since there was like an end credit scene that was a nod to the original movie. You know, I've never seen that. I didn't know that.
00:20:26
Speaker
Oh. i watch this movie every other year and I've never watched through the credits. So I have something to look forward to now. I just make it a habit to skip through the credits now.
00:20:38
Speaker
Marvel has created ah an environment where you never know. Never know. That's true. You never know. Um, let's talk about the cast a little bit because some of them are familiar faces from other Flanagan projects.
00:20:53
Speaker
Um, Elizabeth Reeser plays Alice. She plays the mother and we know her from Haunting of Hill House. um henry thomas i swear he's been in like every other flanagan project which is yeah warranted he is great which apparently i didn't know this i saw somewhere i didn't haven't researched this apparently he was the kid in et yes yes are you kidding no that's elliot Yeah. Yeah. I learned that today. Yeah. He's just, he's just been like this, um, just trucking along actor for 40 something years now. Just, you know, never had anything big after that. He just shows up and bit parts here and there and and makes a living.
00:21:38
Speaker
That's amazing. Yeah. It's wild. Good for you. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Kate Siegel. Mm-hmm.
The Ring's Lasting Impact
00:21:46
Speaker
And the older man from the beginning scene, the the widower, Sam Anderson, he's in Lost, Noah.
00:21:57
Speaker
I've been trying to get him to watch that. Oh, are you resisting watching Lost? He just hasn't gotten to it yet. Yeah, I just haven't gotten to it. He just hasn't gotten to it yet.
00:22:11
Speaker
One of these days, I promise. That's okay. I'm trying to finish up Hurricane right now.
00:22:17
Speaker
Finish up what? Anyway, Arcane. Oh. Yeah. That's not that long. You can do that. Yeah, I just haven't been watching anything besides movies. I usually watch movies with my wife.
00:22:33
Speaker
Now, Sebastian, this shocked me. i don't know if it'll shock you, but Noah has never seen The Ring. Well, again, we're talking about a 23-year-old movie. It doesn't surprise me.
00:22:44
Speaker
Okay. okay All right. I'll let it go. Yeah. i that's my That's probably my favorite horror movie of all time. Top three, at least. so Wow. The Ring?
00:22:55
Speaker
Yes. Okay. The Ring made me scared of the dark again. As a 22-year-old grown-ass man, I was scared to be in room. It scared you? i was scared to be in like yeah and room while. always...
00:23:11
Speaker
seen like the ring as like uh like silly even though i've never actually seen it it's always like appeared silly to me like this woman who comes out of the tv and there's been like spoofs about it so i'll have to watch it and see and see that's the problem is it you know but it's It's just, it's like penetrated culturally so much that there's there's not going to be as much shock factor.
00:23:36
Speaker
Just like ray and when The Exorcist came out way before we were born. And so we were already seeing heads spinning around and this spit, pea, soup, vomit, and parodies our whole lives. And so like the the movie doesn't have as much shock to it.
00:23:49
Speaker
But if you put yourself in the in the shoes of somebody who's seeing this for the first time with fresh eyes, it's pretty effective. Yeah. It was. Yeah, watching that for the first time. Because i don't I can't remember if they put that scene at all in the promos. code So it was pretty...
00:24:05
Speaker
unexpected watching it for the first time it was it was we we because we we did not know how samara attacked until the very end and they did not show it in the trailers until and they didn't show it on like the video box until way later okay yeah it's fun
00:24:27
Speaker
we were I don't want to make us go off track too much, but we were talking about movies that actually, like horror movies that actually scare you. um And Sebastian, if you're like me and Laura, like there's sometimes we're just, horror movies just will just sit and make you laugh. Like I was laughing through this movie quite a bit as some of this stuff happening, but maybe that's because it was in the daytime and I was being brave.
00:24:52
Speaker
But yeah, ah One of the movies that I remember watching by myself and like after I just could not sleep was, oh, wow, I'm forgetting the name of it. Sinister.
00:25:08
Speaker
Yeah. With Ethan Hawke. That one terrified me. It's a good one. Yeah.
00:25:17
Speaker
Yeah, that one's a good one. Anyway, back to Ouija.
00:25:26
Speaker
Okay. um i the king I'm the king of segways, guys. That was smooth. That was so smooth.
Horror Techniques and Storytelling
00:25:37
Speaker
Okay.
00:25:40
Speaker
I liked the acting. The performances were good.
00:25:46
Speaker
Agreed. Yeah. I did get, I did get a little scared at a couple of spots. None of the jump scares got me, but there were a couple of shots where I was a little, little freaked out.
00:26:00
Speaker
You mean the Flanagan figures? the in the Not the, not there's the scene where she's looking through the planchette and I'm like, yeah, of course she's going to see something. And then when you see what she sees, that was spooky, but it was kind of like already expected. Yeah. You know,
00:26:17
Speaker
I got say, what I love about him is none of his jump scares are cheap. None of them are forced. um They don't even have to come with like a big musical sting. um Some of them do, some of them don't, and they're still effective.
00:26:31
Speaker
um And like, again, some of them you could see from a mile away, but other ones are so subtle that say ah they can still get you.
00:26:43
Speaker
And I'm not the kind of jump out of your seat kind of person when watching horror. um And I don't need to be. I don't need to be like, you know, throwing the popcorn in the air to appreciate it, you know?
00:26:57
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. those i think the, if you remember the pictures that used to go around online where it looks like a normal photograph and then you find like a face and a shadow in the corner.
00:27:11
Speaker
And so you have to like look for it and then it kind of jump scares you just from the photograph. Do you remember those? Yeah. That was what Haunting of Bly Manor was like because Noah just kept pointing out.
00:27:22
Speaker
all the ghosts that were hiding in the background and they were like legit jump scares that are just sitting there and it's not jumping out at you but it you have that same reaction so this movie had a few of those for sure um but there were a couple of scenes that really freaked me out and i was watching by myself but it was in the daytime so i was okay i will sleep okay We were brave together, Laura.
00:27:48
Speaker
We did it together. were so brave. In daylight. daylight. But yeah, you definitely see feel Flanagan's touch with the the way he orchestrates music.
00:28:05
Speaker
I guess we're calling them Flanagan figures now, but figures just standing in the back and then they'll be there a minute and in a blink of an eye, they're gone. And not even just to our characters, but to us, like you could, you could easily miss them. And that's, I think that's what yeah you and Sebastian were saying is that it's so, it, it doesn't feel cheap because you have to kind of pay attention sometimes they're earned they are earned yeah they go with the story even that first one that was the big jump scare in the first part leading up to that that was actually pretty creepy with the silhouette when she's doing the seance with the widower and the daughter and then you look over and behind the curtain there's the shadow right and i knew it was going to be like just some trick you know but even
00:28:59
Speaker
Even still, that was creepy. The jump scare didn't didn't really get me. I didn't i didn't react to the jump scare, but it was a good one. Yeah. Yeah. um Some trivia that I've sourced easily from IMDb.
00:29:21
Speaker
And I noticed that the the the retro kind of like um imperfect kind of film on there. So it says on here was shot. I loved that too. It was shot digitally, but they added the retro feel to give the film added elements in post-production to give the appearance of a movie shot on film. So that's interesting. They include...
00:29:43
Speaker
The cigarette burn marks that appear every 20 minutes or so in the upper right hand corner of the frame, which were used to signal a change of reels for film projected. I liked that. And then even the the logo at the very beginning was like the old school logo when the film first started. And they even used the original Universal, the one that they used in 60s.
00:30:03
Speaker
Now, that's that's neat that they they did that in post because what I assume they did was put vintage lenses on digital cameras. that's If I had to guess, that's what my guess would have been.
00:30:15
Speaker
So to be able to get those blooms, and those imperfections in kind of the edges of of the wide angle shots um to to do that in post is is really neat because i was i was convinced that they used classic lenses on that. That's that's really cool.
00:30:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:39
Speaker
So I remember really liking that when I watched it, it gave it a different feel to it um so it says director Mike Flanagan says he wanted to create the thriller as if it were shot in 1971 some of the techniques included antique lenses scene fades camera zooms instead of steady cams other so simulated techniques dust on the negative subtle warping of the audio track real jumps and split diopter where both the foreground and the background are in focus yeah yeah so he did use some vintage lenses in there too
00:31:16
Speaker
It looks like it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The split diopter thing is is very much a 70s effect. And it's not something you can get in a normal lens because usually you you can only focus on one thing.
00:31:27
Speaker
So there's a handful of scenes in the movie where where there's something really close to the camera, which is in tight focus. And then there's something in the background that's also in tight focus. And they basically get a lens that's cut in half.
00:31:39
Speaker
and position it in a way that you can see both both from foreground and background. It's a neat effect. That is so cool. I didn't notice that as I was watching it, but I'm sure it added to the the feel of the film, the energy of the film. Yeah.
00:31:57
Speaker
probably one of the many reasons why you love going back and watching it so much is because I know you have a more technical understanding about filmmaking. So like being able to catch how they did all this stuff is probably ah really fun.
00:32:12
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Multiple rewatches. Well, that makes it good. I get kids that come to age, that grow into a age to watch a movie. It's like, well, let's go watch Ouija again.
00:32:24
Speaker
Because like I like movies that... Don't rely on a lot of blood, especially when, you know, when you're talking about watching a movie with a 13 year old, you know, you don't, you don't want to get out the hack and slash movies yet.
00:32:36
Speaker
Anyway. but a movie that can be effective without that strong gore presence, I think is is more masterful to be able to do that.
00:32:47
Speaker
I think going straight for the gore is is like an easy button, and sometimes it works, and a lot of times it's just cheap, but to be able to to to get those get that feeling, to get the atmosphere without the blood, I think is hard to do.
00:33:03
Speaker
Which is why I'm so impressed with that his work, both in TV and film, because ah even though a lot of his stuff is mature audience for other reasons, he he rarely goes really bloody, right?
00:33:14
Speaker
Yeah, which I appreciate. a lot and my husband doesn't understand why I can watch Mike Flanagan horror or other cerebral type horror but I don't like the slasher movies I can't I don't really tolerate the slasher movies as well ah but he is the opposite where the slasher movies don't bother him but the mind horror it trips him out he can't do it
00:33:46
Speaker
So it looks like about 40 minutes were removed from the final cut. And I kind of am hoping that somewhere out there, there is a director's cut that include these scenes.
00:33:58
Speaker
um Doug Jones, who has been every tall, lanky monster in every film ever, was the black demon in this movie.
00:34:09
Speaker
The one that that possesses the, what's her name? Doris. Doris. Yeah.
00:34:16
Speaker
his scenes were cut and he they referenced in the later part of the movie, the devil's doctor. So he was playing the devil's doctor. All of those scenes were removed.
00:34:29
Speaker
um Kate Siegel was in there for at least two more scenes where she had another visit to their home. And there was ah scene with her father.
00:34:41
Speaker
Those were cut. Um,
00:34:47
Speaker
I had wondered about that. There's a part late in the movie where there was almost a reference to something that we didn't see. And makes it makes you wonder. I didn't catch it.
00:35:00
Speaker
One of my problems with the movie is I felt like the antagonistic force wasn't
00:35:13
Speaker
utilized very well. Agreed. Yeah. And the the third act was why it's doing what it's doing and yeah, all that, and everything having to do with once we start getting more information, I was, I was excited. I'm like, Oh, that's interesting. We're getting all this. And then that's it.
00:35:32
Speaker
So it didn't really go anywhere. it just went straight to the the conclusions. The third act was rushed, but it had some of the best and worst scenes of the movie in there. Yeah, I agree that it it it, to me, it felt like there's two entirely different movies trying to get matched together. One was just a straightforward Ouija possession movie.
00:35:53
Speaker
And the other one was about this, this house that's, you know, haunted because of the the evil practices of the the doctor. And they, they don't have a lot to do with each other. And they, It felt a little forced to kind of mash those two together.
00:36:06
Speaker
ah i think ultimately that can be forgiven given the other strengths it has, but it does feel disjointed for sure. there was a sentence that kind of pulled those two elements together when they were talking about the evil things done by the devil's doctor and that there were already other forces there.
00:36:25
Speaker
So there's what you could say, maybe like a demonic force already living in that air in, in the house or the land or the foundation or whatever. Cause you see the graveyard, you know, the, the bones in the house later on. Um,
00:36:39
Speaker
So maybe there was something there already and the devil's doctor from, you know, wartime Poland maybe added to it or fueled it or something. So they kind of tried at least a little bit to mesh those two things together, but it still felt like you said, disjointed, like they were kind of forcing it a little too much.
00:36:59
Speaker
So I do agree with you there, but they tried, but for what the movie is, yeah.
00:37:06
Speaker
It is what it is. Yeah. I mean, again, like i i I just I can feel the studio mandates. I can feel the I can feel. Yes. Is it Hasbro that made it or I don't know. Yes, it's a Hasbro game. I could just I could feel the Hasbro executive saying somebody needs to touch a Ouija board every eight minutes in this movie or else.
00:37:25
Speaker
and And like this, the director having to work with that. and And again, I just I keep going back to like this movie has no no business being any kind of quality at all. And so I think I just get so much delight out of how they're able to just basically spend gold from let with with these those kind of studio pressures that they deal with with the with IP like that.
00:37:50
Speaker
Yeah, it was. it really Yeah, I agree. ah The studio was universal that released it. So but I'm sure Hasbro had some sort of intervention.
00:38:03
Speaker
Yeah. As they do. Yeah. um During the family seances, all three board rules were violated. And I didn't even think about the graveyard being applicable.
00:38:15
Speaker
But after you know realizing it's the the bones in the wall in the basement, That would be kind of like where the graveyard rule was. So they all played alone.
00:38:27
Speaker
The graveyard was involved and they never said goodbye. They never said goodbye. They never said goodbye. Just be polite and say goodbye. It's like with AI now, you've got to say thank you. Say goodbye.
00:38:39
Speaker
It's not hard, people. Be nice to the spirits. Okay. Favorite moments. They could be...
00:38:52
Speaker
of for any reason favorite moments
00:38:59
Speaker
noah could be because it scared you i liked how it was shot because it was funny there's a lot because there's there's a lot of moments that i really that
00:39:19
Speaker
rememberable but I think the thing that I liked the most was the the ending
00:39:30
Speaker
Do we want to say spoilers? because I've already gone through like 17 spoilers. I don't know what you're worried about now. I wasn't expecting pretty much everyone to die. i knew that it's so a horror movie.
00:39:46
Speaker
There's got to be at least one casualty. But the mom getting stabbed. Can I tell you? yeah why I thought that literally everybody was going to die because it's a prequel.
00:39:58
Speaker
There's no assumption that people are going to be saved. Yeah, you're right. didn't even think about that. There would be no reason because it's the setup for the next movie. Yeah. Essentially the next story in the future. Yeah. I should have realized that when I was watching the movie. Oh yeah. Good point. i i forgot. I was just, yeah I was sucked in, I guess. And i was like,
00:40:21
Speaker
oh, I was not expecting that. And so it's nice when yeah you're surprised. I do like it when they they're brave enough to kill off a main character. I don't know if that's weird for me to say. And I think it shows the progression of horror because the anything from um anything from Halloween to The Exorcist, you still had to have somewhat of a of a resolved ending where right you know the main character gets away and and whatever. Some horrible things happen, but you know we have survivors. and
00:41:00
Speaker
to To get to a point where they're like, nope, nope, there's no there's no happiness at all. but Guys, this is a horror movie. Nobody's escaping this thing. It's something that you you wouldn't see even 20 years ago.
00:41:17
Speaker
Again, that sort of
00:41:20
Speaker
explains why I think this movie was was fun and and interesting because it ah it's obviously paying homage to you those older horror movies like you said with the way even in filmmaking it's saying hey like this is supposed to be like those older horror movies but then it's bringing in the new age the new flavor and being like we're going to be doing this with horror instead so i can I can see why this is like one of your favorite movies like horror movies to watch.
00:41:58
Speaker
Right. Because it's subversive.
00:42:03
Speaker
I'm not. I'm ah just listening.
00:42:13
Speaker
It's late. I think I'm losing my brain self. It is late for you. Okay. um Sebastian, favorite moments? um I love every time they twist and in courtt contort that little girl's face. It just, I thought it was so effective.
00:42:33
Speaker
And they just, a lot of times it just made her mouth a like wider than humanly possible. But I thought it was so effective and and had so much good creep factor.
00:42:44
Speaker
And that's to say nothing about when like much later on in the movie where her, her face is doing all sorts of crazy things in the background, partially blurred out, um, blink and you miss it. You're like, what the hell was that? Um, so much fun. When her, when the boyfriend is downstairs and she's right behind him. Oh, that's so creepy. And it's not even jump scare. No, that was scary. Best shot in the movie. That one right there.
00:43:11
Speaker
I agree. That really, that one. was the number one creepy moment of the whole thing. and know And it was so subtle. There was no sting. It was just, it was there and a little like a little clickety clackety bone rattling sound. And and that was it.
00:43:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:28
Speaker
What about you, Laura? um ah That scene where the boyfriend's reaching in to see what else is in the wall. And that scene with her behind him and that face that was terrifying.
00:43:43
Speaker
so and then anytime she was crawling on a wall or a ceiling i know that's like ah a pretty common horror trope but i hate it every single time that i keep building because laura hate because i hate it yeah i can't do it um what about the ending when she's in the mental mental institution the doctor comes back because he sees something in her room and then That was creepy.
00:44:12
Speaker
And then she's just at the window. Yeah. Yeah, that was creepy. um I liked the opening shots where they kind of show how all the the little tricks from the seance were done. Yeah.
00:44:26
Speaker
And there was the whole like afterlife craze of the early, you know, turn of the century time. um and it was most, you know, it was pretty much all just smoke and mirrors. So it was kind of fun after the first, after that seance. scene I was a little disappointed that there weren't more of those, but they just did the one. And then she, you know, one at a time revealed how she was doing each of the things and her daughter was helping her.
00:44:52
Speaker
And then I liked the scene where she was kind of rigging the Ouija board up to be kind of the same um party trick. um But the other part that scared me, trying to remember, I've lost it.
00:45:09
Speaker
Oh, was right after she got truly possessed by that that all black demon. And then she went into her sister's room and she was doing that creepy whisper in her ear thing.
00:45:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you. ah Love the weird whisper. Yeah. And then the scene where she's like sitting on the couch, staring at the TV alone and she has the white eyes and the too big mouth and yeah.
00:45:38
Speaker
Yeah. It's great. So I liked that it actually was creepy in a, in a scary way. Um,
00:45:50
Speaker
Now want to know about parts you guys laughed at. and Okay. Let, let me, let me kick off what I didn't like. Um, when it got to into the third act with the kind of climactic moments.
00:46:04
Speaker
So the boyfriend is over the older sister's boyfriend is there. i apologize for not remembering his name and she lures him into the basement and then, uh, everybody's having a discussion on the second floor. They all come downstairs and,
00:46:20
Speaker
And he there's the jump scare where he drops from the landing and he's is being hanged, essentially. I did not like that immediately.
00:46:31
Speaker
They just kind of ignored him. Yeah. And he's just hanging. Nobody tried to save him. Nope. They're just like, well, that happened. And then they're like, we have to find your sister. Yeah.
00:46:44
Speaker
I'm sorry, there are two grownups and a teenager. Like somebody can look for the sister and somebody can help this teenage boy who's being hung in the foyer. So that that bothered me.
00:46:56
Speaker
I felt that was a little bit like washed over and lazy maybe. I'm with you there. They're just going to just gonna move on. He's dead. Move on. Look at me. We have to find your sister.
00:47:08
Speaker
Yes, but there's a teenage boy hanging in our foyer right now. Yeah. the other The other part, that the part that I laughed at since you asked was... was the the the really chaotic scene where they're all being attacked by, you know, the demon-possessed child.
00:47:28
Speaker
And the teenage boy hanging comes down like he's on a bungee, grabs the priest and throws him against the stair, like on a bungee. It was just a little too much. It took me out of the movie. Completely took me out of the story.
00:47:43
Speaker
It was too ridiculous. I don't blame you. Yeah, I laughed. Sorry. Well, at least they didn't do a boing sound effect when he jumped. They might as well have. it was in my head.
00:48:03
Speaker
One thing that made me laugh, but not because it took me out of the movie, was
00:48:10
Speaker
one of the initial jump scares where the Ouija board is first introduced at the girls' sort of hang out they're not supposed to be having and um one of the girls is like totally freaked out because she thinks it's real and the ball bursts in the room and it feels like delayed for a second and then the girl screams and it's so funny she just keeps screaming
00:48:43
Speaker
that that made me laugh quite a bit yeah i think that part was supposed to be supposed to be funny Yeah. And I like that that that there was some levity in the first half of the movie. And this this movie has two very distinct halves where the first one is a lot of setup, a lot of getting to know the family, getting to know the characters, get to know their plight.
00:49:09
Speaker
And then it's almost right at the halfway point where Doris gets possessed. And then it's the the movie kicks into a completely different gear for the for the last 50 minutes. it's It's pretty interesting how symmetrical that movie is.
00:49:25
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good word. did like how they compared the the ghosts or the demons using essentially party tricks to convince them that they were talking to their father the same way that the mother was using her seance party tricks to convince her clients that they were talking to their loved ones they were like and the daughter even said it it's just how you do it you just convince them this one is just convincing you like she was the only voice of reason in the whole movie except for the you know the priest but so the the whole family was kind of getting their comeuppance then yeah basically how the the priest figured out that they were just kind of reading the minds of the people that were coming in to convince them they were talking to something good but the whole time they were talking to something bad yeah and to comment on that it's just it's nice having characters that act on what is happening
00:50:25
Speaker
like uh the daughter was like really i think really smart and be like hey something's wrong with her my mom doesn't care she's not doing anything about it because she's using her as a uh that's a show basically to get some money um and so she goes to the other adult that she thinks could help and like she's actually trying to to fix this and it's it's refreshing when you have a smart horror character yeah and she was also the one that was kept saying what what are you talking about we're not going split up we are sticking together we are sticking together that sounds like a terrible idea and as soon as they the priest is like na no no we're not going to stick together he dies yeah oh yeah yeah you're right
00:51:20
Speaker
Do you guys have any nitpicks of the movie? Okay.
00:51:25
Speaker
Would you change anything, Sebastian?
Studio Influence and Film's Creative Process
00:51:28
Speaker
Oh, I mean, I mentioned how it's it's disjointed. if it feels um like they slapped together a couple of concepts, um try to make it work. if I wouldn't be surprised if Flanagan had this one idea in his head and he kind of shoehorned into this Ouija prequel that they hired him for. and And so the story suffers a little bit from that.
00:51:48
Speaker
um And there might be a few things here and there. that's the That's my major one. Do you think that the movie was a little bit stifled because it had to kind of stay in on track with what the, um, the original movie had already done? Uh, I don't think they had to stick with what the original movie had to do. I just think that they had, they had the, the, the studio and the game company watching them like a hawk.
00:52:15
Speaker
And, uh, that the fact that the movie is what it is with that much pressure is again, what impresses me so much.
00:52:26
Speaker
Yeah. Nice.
00:52:29
Speaker
Yeah. We see what Mike Flanagan's capable of when he doesn't really have studio interference. At least I like to think that Netflix doesn't really, they let him do his thing.
00:52:44
Speaker
And so... again at the same point that we've been kind of talking about for the past hour yeah the the part that we like and is good is probably flanagan the part and the parts that could be improved upon is probably because of studio interference the meddling yeah yeah i really do feel like after he had done you know the two seasons of the haunting you know blind manor hill house and by the time he got to um midnight mass i think he just got green lit for whatever the heck he wanted to do because that whole thing from start to finish was great and it just felt like he was just able to just had the freedom to create whatever he wanted with that
00:53:39
Speaker
And that's typical of Netflix. they They typically don't get a lot involved in the creative decisions. they They just, like Yael said, they just greenlight and just they just trust and they move on.
00:53:53
Speaker
And they just flood their site with content that it's not all great, but when it is great and you can really tell that there's a singular vision behind it.
00:54:04
Speaker
And because there's just not a lot of meddling, there's not a lot of mandates. There's not like a you know, this, I don't think this fits with the Netflix brand. Like there, there is no feel of a Netflix show.
00:54:15
Speaker
there's There's, there's no expectation. It is what it is. And it's all over the place.
00:54:23
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Good point. Especially when it's not just the Netflix success that he has either um because he directed Doctor Sleep, which is sequel to The Shining, which is maybe one of the biggest horror movies in the genre.
00:54:44
Speaker
um And not just horror, it's it's a huge movie in general. And to give...
00:54:54
Speaker
that property to him, I just think shows tremendous faith in him and knowledge of, Hey, this guy puts out good stuff. Let's give him this. So and just being able to do whatever he wants.
00:55:09
Speaker
Yeah. Did you guys do a whole episode on Dr. Sleep?
00:55:13
Speaker
no No, that's one of the ones that she doesn't want to watch. You don't want to watch Dr. Sleep? I don't know. Probably not. We'll go there then. We did Hush.
00:55:25
Speaker
Yeah. And then my other ones that I was okay with were the ones that I that i threw at you to choose between. Although I knew you were gonna i knew we were going to be here watching Ouija Origins. It was a toss-up with Oculus. I like that one.
00:55:39
Speaker
Maybe even a little bit that one's That one's still on the list. And then I'm really excited for Life of Chuck. That one looks like it's going to be good. don't know that one. It's another Stephen King short story.
00:55:55
Speaker
I've stayed away from trailers. sorry I legit know nothing. Yeah. Okay. Who did their homework? I did.
00:56:07
Speaker
Well, you stole one of my questions, but I did my homework.
00:56:12
Speaker
ah Sorry.
00:56:15
Speaker
Okay.
00:56:18
Speaker
So we are going to have some deep discussions now with some thought-provoking questions. Why do you laugh when you say that?
00:56:29
Speaker
Because the movie's not that deep, but I'm excited to see if we can make it meaningful and impactful.
00:56:37
Speaker
Well, my one of my questions was if you could change one thing about the movie, what would it be? Oh, I'm sorry. I feel like we've answered that. No, it's okay. Well, what's your answer for that one?
00:56:48
Speaker
Yeah. It's the whole thing with the the antagonist and I wish we could have gotten more about the Polish doctor and
00:57:03
Speaker
So I'm on edge. There's a whole lot of weird sounds coming from my house right now. And it's making me feel really creepy right now. I wish we could have gotten the whole thing with the the Polish doctor and everything that happened with that.
00:57:19
Speaker
And I think, like you had said, it was cut. There was a lot of scenes that were cut. and And so I... Again, feel like Mike Flanagan wanted to get that in, but just the whole studio thing.
00:57:34
Speaker
Budget, budget, budget.
00:57:37
Speaker
Probably didn't happen because of that. So that's what I want i would have changed.
00:57:44
Speaker
More of an explanation about the the house and the evil within i I kind of wish along the same lines, they either should have leaned more towards the remnants of evil from the devil's doctor and shown us some backstory on that or leaned in to the demonic presence, but trying to do both is where it went funny.
00:58:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:14
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:58:17
Speaker
What about, do you have a question? A good ah book club question? Sebastian? Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of themes. um I think theme is really what sets apart an entertaining movie from an impactful movie.
00:58:33
Speaker
um So to me, one of the big themes was grief.
Unresolved Themes in Ouija: Origin of Evil
00:58:39
Speaker
And why do you think that filmmakers decided to tee us up with with a these thematic elements of grief right from the the beginning?
00:58:56
Speaker
um it probably just kind of leads to their vulnerability of like having everything that happened they kind of leaned into the supernatural part of it instead of banishing it that's what gives us the scary story yeah i feel like that sort of theme just kind of went by the wayside as we got closer to the the end of the movie and it was more about ah
00:59:28
Speaker
trying to overcome the evil and I feel like we didn't get a resolution on the, on that theme or a final message about it. It could be very wrong, but yeah i'm I'm with you.
00:59:40
Speaker
i'm I think we didn't get the final message because it's just teeing it up for the next movie. So it was kind of left like a flashback kind of a feel. The whole movie was just kind of feeling like a flashback.
00:59:54
Speaker
Yeah, I think they used grief early on to to motivate the characters into doing things that ah otherwise they wouldn't have. But once they got to that point and and once once Doris is possessed, like that theme kind of melts away and it's it's really just a ah fight for survival, especially at the end. They're just trying to get out of there alive and they don't.
01:00:19
Speaker
And so there's there's not really a thematic resolution. I agree. And that's unfortunate. I think that is a little bit of a weak spot there. um At the same time, having just basing it in something, basing the character motivation in something was an excellent start.
01:00:36
Speaker
um And it's definitely more than it's the first one did.
01:00:43
Speaker
Yeah, I've seen the first one so I can't comment on that should I go see it? Do you think it's worth it? At least just for a little bit of fun?
01:00:54
Speaker
No. no No? No. Because this movie made me curious. No, don't. But no? No. Only curious to see what it's like when you don't have somebody who can wrestle control away and make something cool
01:01:17
Speaker
I mean, are you guys curious to go see Battleship the movie now? Because it's like the same thing, like.
01:01:26
Speaker
No. you have question? um
01:01:37
Speaker
So other than grief, because that that was kind of heavy in my questions too, like there are so many warning signs. um why Why else do you think their mother kind of leaned into what was happening with Doris?
01:02:02
Speaker
I think that was like the main driver. Maybe a
01:02:09
Speaker
and ah another one could have been the her whole, uh, foreclosure thing. And this is a way of getting easy money because it's real. And like how would like it, it's part of the, like, ah it's a magic trick. Like the, the people who are coming in don't know how it's happening.
01:02:31
Speaker
So they think it's real. Um, technically it is. Um,
01:02:37
Speaker
so it was a way for them to get money which if her house is being foreclosed why she sending them to catholic church isn't that like expensive oh the private school yeah the private school i didn't even think about it but maybe they're on a scholarship yeah maybe they're on a widow scholarship that's gonna be my explanation just funny funny little nitpick that i had oh i never thought about that that's good point
01:03:06
Speaker
I don't know if all Catholic schools are private or like tuition based. I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I haven't thought about it enough. In Toronto, they're not. You just have your choice. You can send your kids to public school or Catholic school.
01:03:18
Speaker
It's like the same. It's just whatever you want. Interesting. Yeah. Cool. Tidbit out of Toronto. Nice.
01:03:28
Speaker
Nice.
01:03:33
Speaker
Another question that I had is what are some of the most effective ways that Flanagan creates suspense? And we've talked about the whole figures in the background that are just kind of standing there, you blink, you miss it, just creating that suspense. But are there any other ways that you think he's creating that?
01:03:54
Speaker
And one of the examples that I wanted to use is after...
01:04:01
Speaker
the reveal think I can't remember specifically but it's when the priest comes to the house and think it's after
01:04:10
Speaker
all three of them go up besides Doris go up to the room to talk I think they come back down and it feels like the shadows are heavy and a lot more prevalent. and i think that it was i I noticed it was dark in the house.
01:04:26
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like it's a very cool subtle way that he helped to create suspense. I think by omitting a lot of the typical horror movie tropes where you have this sting music leading up to something, the suspense is obvious. And so you kind of like by not using those, that the scary elements are more surprising, especially because they're subtle.
01:04:53
Speaker
Mm And then using the elements of having little kids, anytime there's little kids in danger, that makes it more stressful. It's scary. There's, you know, really no male figure other than the priest, but he's not at the house except for, you know, the, what, just the one time or maybe two times.
01:05:09
Speaker
um So they're vulnerable in that, you know, respect where it's a single mother with her two girls. So that adds to the the scary elements that they're not as protected.
01:05:23
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, they're they're vulnerable from the start. they're They're financially vulnerable to begin with. And as things go on, they they're they're physically vulnerable just by being, you know, just three women on their own, right?
01:05:44
Speaker
That's a good point. i think there was some greed that motivated their mother and kind of leaning into incorporating her daughter into the seances um and convincing herself that it's a gift instead of something that's not, that should be, you know, rebuked, that's...
01:06:06
Speaker
not a good thing. Um, cause I'm going to assume that she's Catholic too. And they very much do not like dealing with the negative things on the spiritual side. And even the priest commented on that, that, you know, the spirit world is not something you want to mess with in that respect. So I think she was leading in to a little bit of her greediness.
01:06:27
Speaker
There were shots of her, she made comments about having to find a job She's looking through the classifieds. Ultimately she gives that up because oliver sudden all of a sudden her daughter can channel the dead.
01:06:38
Speaker
And so she's using her to make money instead of really doing the more responsible thing that she should have done, which is to get a legitimate source of income. Yeah, that's a good point.
01:06:51
Speaker
Why do you think she, that why do you think they made the teenage daughter, the voice of reason
Character Dynamics and Role Analysis
01:06:57
Speaker
in the movie? Yeah.
01:07:01
Speaker
um I think part of it is that this is, she's kind of the target demographic and I think that they want to make her the most relatable character.
01:07:12
Speaker
um So I think she is the main character. I think it's, it's Lena and then Lena's mom and Lena's little sister.
01:07:22
Speaker
And so she kind of takes on that role of smartest person in the room. Like the main character often does for that reason.
01:07:33
Speaker
and she is the um the old lady in the next movie that they go and talk to you about the house i'm i'm sure both of you know how raising teenagers is and how um they think they know everything once they turn a certain age right i know i was there at some point um and so i this is kind of a fun play on that because this teacher's like, hey, something's wrong. Like you should stop or something's going on with Doris. And the mom's like, you're fine. don't know what you're talking about kind of thing. It's sort of vindicating for teenagers.
01:08:19
Speaker
I write sometimes too. I know what I'm talking about. And you never hear the end of it. Yeah. Nope.
01:08:32
Speaker
Nope, you don't.
01:08:37
Speaker
Another little, some nitpicks that I had were, I'm not Catholic. I don't really know too much about the Catholic church, but aren't priests not like don't drink?
01:08:50
Speaker
No, they do. that they not true No, that's not a thing. They use wine in their communion. Yeah. Oh, okay. Nevermind. Okay.
01:08:59
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Because she went to dinner with him, which I thought was weird already. Like, why are you going out to dinner with a priest, which feels very much like a date? Yeah, that that was weird. Why was she getting her out gott gussied up and stuff?
01:09:10
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Her low-cut outfit did not help. Yeah. and Like a nice restaurant. like she's He's buying her lobster and stuff. It's like that was, yeah. but know Not just a nice restaurant, but the restaurant that he and his deceased wife used to frequent.
01:09:28
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Like it was his regular spot. I don't know what that means, but... It was weird. In another life, they they would have been alright.
01:09:40
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makes It makes me wonder if they addressed that in the in the deleted content as well. Whether there was anything that happened. any kind of romantic entanglement there. There was just a little bit of breadcrumbs there and then they didn't go anywhere with it.
01:09:56
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Nope.
01:09:59
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last interest last Last nitpick, which I, it made me laugh. It didn't take me out of the movie. It just made me laugh is when the ah sister, the older sister, I can't remember her name, when she finds the writing that her younger sister had made and she brings it to the priest, she's like, I think they're written in Polish. I'm like, how do you know what Polish looks like? Yeah.
01:10:25
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Yeah. Not the same thing. Yeah. And then he says, I don't know who speaks Polish. And then two seconds later, this coworker of mine actually came from Poland. Like could lead with that.
01:10:37
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Just so conveniently because tons of people in the world speak Polish. I would have liked a scene where they have the sister who came from Poland reading that. I would have liked a scene like that instead of him just referencing it.
01:10:53
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Yeah. Like the horror sort of dawning on her face as she's reading it. Um, Yeah. Even if it was just, you know, two, three minutes, that would have been good.
01:11:08
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Well, I don't really have too much else.
01:11:12
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Do you recommend this movie for other people to watch? Noah? Yeah. As someone who's seen their fair share of
01:11:25
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not great horror movies, this is this is one that is worth your time. nice Don't go see Until Dawn. Go see this one.
01:11:36
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Until Dawn. yeah What's that one? It's in theaters right now. It's um based off of a video game where
01:11:49
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they they changed a whole bunch, so I couldn't even tell you. But the the movie is, they're stuck in a sort of Groundhog Day scenario where is repeating, and they have to survive until the dawn in order to escape it.
01:12:06
Speaker
Okay. yeah And it's not good? Because the premise... Again, it's a very interesting premise and it was i was... I had hope for it and it just just doesn't deliver.
01:12:21
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Okay.
01:12:25
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Okay, so this one was was better than that one. Cool. yeah Good. Nice. um All in all, it was an entertaining watch. I did not hate it. And it scared me at parts, so that earns it points.
01:12:39
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So thank you for having us watch this and review it. Appreciate it. Yeah, thank you, Sebastian. Yeah, it's been a blast. It was really fun. Good choice. Thank you for coming on as well.
01:12:51
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yeah We always like having guests. Yes, thank you so much. Of course, of course. I'm flattered. I'm honored to be here. any Any parting thoughts for us before we ah wrap this up?
01:13:07
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No, it's been a good time. Good time. and Can they find you anywhere? do you have anything to promote? Any projects?
01:13:17
Speaker
Oh, no, I haven't done anything creative in a while. Well, i i I write here and there, but no, not nothing that I've created for other people to consume. It's been quite a while.
01:13:31
Speaker
It's one of those things i had to set aside for school. yeah I guess that's important. I guess. All right. Thanks, guys. Okay, bye.
01:13:42
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you. Bye.