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Anton Chigurh v Snake Plissken
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Anton Chigurh (No Country for Old Men) takes on Snake Plissken (Escape from New York) in a matchup of fate vs defiance. We break down coin flipping, deadly basketball, surfing (yes, somehow), and whether adding an aftermarket chandelier to your car is ever the right move. Also… are we witnessing the greatest cinematic psycho of all time?
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Podcast Introduction
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This is the fictional fighting championship podcast, the ultimate battleground where Hollywood's deadliest warriors collide. We're a taking 48 of the most ruthless, skilled, and battle-hardened fighters from movies and TV and throwing them into a no-holds-barred tournament to see who survives.
00:00:26
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You've seen the movies, you know the legends. Now it's time to settle the score.
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What's the most you ever lost on a coin toss? Sir? The most you ever lost on a coin toss?
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I don't know. couldn't say.
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Call it. Call it, yes. For what? Just call it.
Meet the Hosts
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I'm Jordan Guerrero. He's back. I'm Christian Daugherty. And I'm Steve Sadler.
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And this is a podcast about the greatest fictional tournament in the history of the universe. And that is not an exaggeration. Chris, I usually turn it over to you. However, i want to
Jordan's Announcement
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take a pause here. Jordan, do you have an announcement to make?
00:01:20
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Big news. We have ah another podcaster in training right now, Archer Guerrero. He is two weeks old. Archer is working on all of his movie watching and podcasting skills and hoping in not too long he'll be joining us.
00:01:33
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But yeah, fun announcement. first First child. We're super excited. So now now joining Chris with team newborns. Excellent news. Congratulations, Kelly and Jordan.
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We love you guys. Very cute guy. Arch is his is his middle name, Steve. His middle name is Steve Sadler. It's hyphenated. Archer, Steve Sadler, Guerrero.
00:01:57
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Yeah. I like it. It has a nice, yeah, it's it sounds natural. What else? like, what else would it be? ah Yeah. Huge news. That's awesome. You you know, Jordan missed an episode. it was probably prospective baby related, but here we are. We're back. We got the full team back today and a big news by Jordan. So can't wait to meet him in person.
00:02:18
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Chris, let's get rolling. Who do we have today?
Today's Matchup: Snake vs. Anton
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This week, we have for you Snake Plissken, the punk rock nihilist versus Anton Chigurh, the balka baddie.
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ah All right, this is a fun one. Probably ah charisma-wise, about as different as you can get. So this will be an interesting one. Yeah, I was going to say, they couldn't look any more different to each other.
00:02:44
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Their hair couldn't be any more different. Yeah. I'm so glad you bought that brought that up. I noted that down. This has to be one of the most, definitely the most lopsided hair battle in the entire tournament.
00:02:56
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Absolutely. I think we both, ah we all have notes on this. I have that after the gauntlet, but yeah, we'll talk more about it, but I cannot wait. We should do an entire bonus episode just on their hair.
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But before we do that, Jordan, you want to tell our fans what to do?
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00:03:43
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Yeah, for that bonus episode, get as in-depth as you want. Be as mean as you want. Pick us apart. We'd love to argue against you and have a good time. I can already guarantee we are not changing our minds, though.
00:03:58
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Yeah, you can say all you want it, but what we decide is a goddamn fact. All right.
Who is Snake Plissken?
00:04:11
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All right, guys, let's do the tale of the tape, and we're going to start with Snake Plissken from Escape from New York. His debut was in 1981 in Escape from New York, portrayed by Kurt Russell.
00:04:23
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His fight stats, he's about 170 pounds, and at the time we met him, he was ah in his late 20s. His home turf, he's fighting out of Manhattan Island Federal Penitentiary.
00:04:36
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His signature move... Well, hold on. Don't don't forget about L.A. I know everyone knows a s Escape from New York, but believe it or not, there was a sequel. We're going to talk about that. Absolutely.
00:04:48
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Signature move. You guys have a signature move for this dude? ah Not giving a fuck. Yeah. And maybe witty one-liners that make you question your existence. Gravelly voice.
00:04:59
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Yeah, it's a good one. There you go. Knuckle Sandwich. It's that classic hokey 80s where, you know, you have all these side character henchmen who come up to him and who pow pow just one punch and he's knocking them all down.
00:05:11
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Yeah. Good. Yeah. ah Vibe check. For Vibe Check, I got he's like an anti-establishment warrior with nothing to lose and really doesn't care about anything.
00:05:21
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Yeah, great summary. He's like a Suave or Mad Max. That's a good one. Maybe that would be his tag team partner. That'd be pretty good. Okay. Kill count.
00:05:32
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Nice. That's good. We need a little kill count jingle at this point. We do. We should pay someone to do a jingle. What is Nickelback doing these days?
00:05:44
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You know what? Creed's making a comeback. Can we get them? We'll be part of the comeback. All right. Kill Count. Known kills. He has two movies. And yeah, anything that we they told us about specifically.
00:05:56
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Who wants to go first? Well, he was a Green Beret. I don't recall any of the the trope, at least in the first movie, where The guy is reading out his resume.
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Doesn't say how many kills he had, but he's, I would say, running on the average of most of the guys in the tournament. So I'm going to go with 35. 35. Okay.
00:06:18
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Jordan? Yeah, I'd say I'm right about there too. I'm going to say 48. 48. Okay. The closest best estimate that I saw was about 28 kills.
00:06:29
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Get out. Yeah, I think it was about 13. It was almost half and half, but maybe a few more in l L.A. But yeah, 28 kills.
00:06:40
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Good one, Chris. Sorry, Jordan. He's not a big, you know, go in guns blazing guy, right? that That's not his personality or his role. He's more of a sneak in infiltrate behind enemy lines. He doesn't have the power firepower support to be knocking people down. So I guess that makes sense.
00:06:56
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Yeah. And it's kind of a, that's what his mission is, right? His mission isn't to go kill people in this one. His mission is to get in and get out. So yeah, you're right.
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All right, let's switch to the mysterious Anton Chigurh.
Meet Anton Chigurh
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His debut was in 2007, of course, in the movie No Country for Old Men. He was portrayed by Javier Bardem.
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His fight stats, he's about 6 feet, 190, and at the time we met him, he's probably in about the early 40s. Home turf, he's fighting out of West Texas.
00:07:38
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His signature move may be a coin flip for your life. Gotta be it. Yeah. Yeah. You just see it again and again. What about a vibe check?
00:07:49
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He is an emotionless, unpredictable psychopath. He's a fixer and he enjoys killing. Yeah. i yeah i I feel like this isn't a job that he became a fixer and then he had to kill. He liked killing and he found jobs that involved killing when he was in the yellow pages. Like that's, that's how he landed on this career.
00:08:08
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Yeah, and in watching this movie, I think the whole thing was that Anton Chigurh supposedly represented fate. So I think he's kind of a like a really terrifying representation of fate.
00:08:20
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Death incarnate. Good. Kill count. Let's do it.
Who is More Lethal?
00:08:25
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I'll go first this time. More of a psychological thriller drama, not as much action. i think I'm thinking he was only like 12 years.
00:08:33
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okay Yeah, I i want to say it was somewhat easy to to count, and then but then there were some implied kills as well. So I'm going to say 18. Okay.
00:08:45
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here it's It's interesting because the movie never references prior victims, so we can't really count those, although we know that he is was no amateur when this movie started, right? Yeah, seriously.
00:08:56
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But the best estimate that I saw, 12 to 14 kills. So Jordan nailed it. One for one. Nice. i'll give you I'll give you that one. ah So wait, in the opening dialogue of the movie, I assumed they were talking about Anton Chigurh. Was he just talking about someone else when he said that this dude killed a 14-year-old girl just for the fun of it? He wanted to kill his whole life.
00:09:17
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Was that him just monologuing about someone else? i In my head, I assume that was Anton Chigurh. I'm questioning if there was at least one implied kill. i think we'll touch on that more when we get into his backstory. But this guy's got a history of violence and a history of being fucking nuts.
00:09:40
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All right. Let's do the character breakdowns here. We're going to start with Snake Plissken. ah Let's start with his battle resume. He was a decorated special forces soldier, a war hero, supposedly a green beret.
00:09:54
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Two purple hearts. Exactly. Exactly. He flew successful combat missions in Leningrad, which means that this is probably a statement on the cold war that eventually it accelerated into like a world war three type thing. So yeah, there's battles over there.
00:10:11
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And as we know, he escaped from multiple maximum security prisons. And I love this one too. This is one of the most, this is very impressive and also extremely generic to go on his battle resume. Quote, the youngest man to ever be decorated by the president.
00:10:29
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like what That's the most generic praise I've ever seen. ah Character time period. Okay, now it's interesting to note here, and we have to remember, this movie came out in 1981, but this was set into the future. So the character time period is 1997. yeah, well into the future.
00:10:49
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Yeah, to think that only in 16 years they could move everyone out of New York City and turn the whole thing into a prison is kind of wild. But I love dystopian type, these kind of dystopian type movies from the 80s and 90s. Another one I could think of was Demolition Man. Yeah. With Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes. Yeah, that one was cool. Obviously, Terminator obviously is another big one. So yeah.
00:11:16
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ah Speaking of post-apocalyptic, so supposedly it was not filmed in New York. It was actually filmed in St. Louis and it looked post-apocalyptic after a big-ass fire and just the town had not really recovered that much. So there was minimal decorating needed. Thank you, St. Louis.
00:11:33
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So all those back alleys with all this shit in it was just like St. Louis. It wasn't even like props or anything. it Still looks like that today. Hopefully we don't have any fans in St. Louis.
00:11:45
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ah Let's talk about Snake's training that we learned about, his skill set, things like that. Clearly, he's trained in explosives, firearms, guerrilla tactics. Did you see anything else? I mean, I'd say he was a ah good hand-to-hand guy in that he was able to fight with guys pretty effectively, but did you see any actual skills?
00:12:05
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Yeah. um One scene that I loved seeing and was just an absolute surprise was when he finally tracks down the president and he he fakes out the guards that are with the president. Out of nowhere, he comes around the corner and throws a throwing knife and it lodges it right in the guy's forehead.
00:12:25
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And the guy's just like stood there. Wait, a star? the nice A knife? I saw him do it with a star also. It was a ninja star. Yeah. oh Hell yeah. ninja star right to the dome and just super impressive. And it was like, it came out of left field kind of, and I was just like, jaw dropped. That was awesome. And you could really, at that moment, you knew he had skills. Yeah. I loved it in the, in the, one of the opening scenes, they, they had all the weapons that they were going to give them laid out on the table. And I looked and I noticed, I paused it and I noticed there were three throwing stars on there. I saw that I was dying laughing.
00:13:00
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The only thing funnier than that is in the sequel, when he goes to l LA, they do the weapons table again. They pan over it. I'm like, holy shit. They gave him more ninja stars. ah Well, hold on. If we're talking about skills, he showed some of the most impressive skills in that movie. Number one, his surf skills going after Steve Buscemi, chasing him in his car, surfing a tsunami wave. And that's after he had already done the escape from L.A. basketball challenge. Ten second shot clock, five shots, ten points or die. That was awesome. Don't. don't yeaht Yeah. Don't step on all our entire episode here. We're going to be talking about these as as great scenes.
00:13:41
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What kind of preferred weapons do you see for snake besides the nice throwing star? I mean, he's got two quintessential weapons. I feel like, especially in the first movie, he's got a suppress Mac 10. The suppressor is fucking ginormous. He's got that big ass scope on it. Then he's got his revolver Smith and Wesson model 67, which was actually 38 special also with a scope.
00:14:02
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Love how both of his weapons had a scope on it. He never fucking used him. He just shot from the head. It's the eighties. No one aims. yeah Nice. And sampling of opponents.
00:14:15
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prison gangs. The big, this is also hilarious, the big hairy behemoth in the in the ring, which maybe we can get into a little later. We will. We definitely will. Yeah, that guy was great. dashy old man Played by Ox Baker, famous wrestler from like when I was a small child. He just scared the hell out of me. Me and my dad would watch wrestling on Sunday mornings and occasionally Ox Baker would be there. So yeah, that was him. Good to see him.
00:14:42
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He had the twizzled eyebrows. Yes, and the crazy mustache. We'll we'll talk more about him too, because that's a good scene. So those are the opponents. Urban warlords, mercenaries, that type of thing.
00:14:59
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Who wants to run the gauntlet here? Let's get after it. Keyboard carnage segment. Do you have any user reviews from IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes that are funny or interesting?
00:15:11
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Rotten tomatoes. Tomatoes. Yeah, I have one. It's pretty good quote. I just like it for obvious reasons here. And Jordan i like it too, based on his attire.
00:15:22
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Quote, snake Plissken walked so John Wick could run. Okay. Okay. Kind of a cool, cool reference to another upcoming FFC legend.
00:15:35
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They've gone too far segment. Scenes that seemed way too impossible to survive, but they did anyway. I mean, we we touched on this earlier. They've gone too far.
00:15:46
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Could they have gone farther than there's an incoming tsunami about to wipe out the city of Los Angeles again? He meets this surfer dude who says, here, man, get a surfboard. I'll give you five seconds of lessons. And then you're going to surf chase Steve Buscemi in his car escaping. That was insane and ridiculous.
00:16:05
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That's some like 2 a.m. sci-fi channel kind of move. Do you know who the ah stunt double was for Peter Fonda? The surfer dude? no No. Tony Hawk.
00:16:16
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Get out. That's awesome. Yeah. What a cool little. Yeah. I have this down for they've gone too far, but um there's an asterisk by this one. How about the president carrying a cassette tape like it's some kind of nuclear football?
00:16:32
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And, you know, honestly, it may I don't know, this might be more of a they didn't go far enough because. Why isn't this at least like a floppy disk or something that even seemed remotely like it came from the future. Then even try to get creative with this thing, right? This seems like an important prop and it's a cassette tape.
00:16:52
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You know, it's crazy. They knew the president was going to land in the fucking city in that pod. And they handcuffed the briefcase with the tape inside it yeah to the president, but they needed it.
00:17:07
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They needed the tape. They need the tape. So just keep the tape. Keep the tape. Even if the president dies, you still have the important part. Yeah. I mean, the heart is going to crash, but I oh i don't know. do Do you push it out the door and say, hey, guys, catch it's coming into the water?
00:17:21
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I don't know. Yeah. It just seems poorly planned. are Are tapes affected by water? Steve, answer this. Chris and I are too young to know. Yeah. If it lands in the East River, all you have to do is pull it out, dry it, and then take a pencil and stick it in the hole and and you can you can wrap those. up Okay. No rice required. yes no No rice they've gone too far At the very end, Snake Plissken would have had a chance to face the arch nemesis of the film, the Duke. oh the Duke, yeah.
00:17:55
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it was getting set up for a perfect ending fight scene between the two of them. Snake Plissken was reaching the end of the road where the wall was. um And the Duke was following right up behind him.
00:18:06
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And out fucking nowhere, the president has a fucking Uzi and just takes the Duke out. Like, just spraying bullets everywhere, screaming, you know, and so happy that he's, like, killing the Duke. And I'm like, that was Snake Plissken's kill, man. Yeah. And, yeah, just a really yeah wet noodle of an ending. Yeah, that's a good call.
00:18:28
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For your collection. This is always a good one. Pick an article of clothing or a weapon or any kind of souvenir that you would like to have in your man cave. I have one. The ah pink glasses from one of the henchmen um wearing a rambo a Rambo-esque headband, red, and then wearing these like very feminine pink bright pink glasses. Just a really weird look. I just thought it was kind of funny.
00:18:56
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Love it. Yeah. I'll take his eye patch. I'll just take the eye patch. i think I think it's, yeah, I just think it's iconic and it looks awesome. It's the key part of the character. We don't know why he's like that. Why does he have an eye patch? It doesn't really matter. i just want that thing.
00:19:11
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It's on the movie poster. It's just that eye patch right there. It's so iconic. I want to say that the eye patch matters. The fact that he can't see out of one eye is big, less senses available to him. To see Anton coming around the corner? I saw a scene in kind of early in the movie.
00:19:31
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Somebody walked by. he was in he landed in the World Trade Center, and I think it's when he was climbing down. Somebody did walk by a doorway, and Snake's head was kind of turned, and he didn't see that person. We saw him, but they didn't, and I thought, oh, man, maybe they worked that in there because of the eye patch.
00:19:45
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he I like that. Yeah. ah for my collection it's it's not necessarily uh a snake thing but holy shit the pimp car with chandeliers on it duped pimp car how fucking cool is that thing with the hydraulics rolling in there oh my god out so that has to be that that's in a top five movie cars of all time for me absolutely chandeliers are crucial to that yes i want that yeah good one disco ball absolutely iconic Can we also put the car in the they've gone too far segment? Yeah, of course. Yeah. I think that's where it belongs.
00:20:22
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all right. Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. What do we have? For me, it's got to be his first words of the movie. Not the first movie, but both movies. The first words out of his mouth.
00:20:33
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Call me snake. Yeah, that's it. That's what I've got. I like when he said, i don't give a damn about your war or your president, because it kind of sets the stage that he doesn't recognize the United States as his home or the president anymore. So that was kind of good too. But Call Me Snake is 100% it.
00:20:53
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I loved ah at the very end where that the guy that sent him into New York is there at the end and asks him if they want to team up for some kind of team, you know, that is involved in extraction or assassination. And ah Snake just says, I'm tired.
00:21:12
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Maybe later. ah yeah Just doesn't give a fuck. He's like, can can I just get home and get to bed, please? We also appreciate the protagonist there is Angel Eyes from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
00:21:25
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Yes. Oh, nice. Yes. Lee Van Cleef. Good spot. Yeah. Very cool. Hey, speaking of yeah older older movies, kind of a fun casting rumor for Snake Plissken.
00:21:38
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couple big names were mentioned. i don't know if you know, Kurt Russell wasn't a big star, especially an action star at that time. And it was kind of like frowned upon. And and it was like almost like, how could he even pull this off? Because he was like a Disney guy.
00:21:50
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So he might have been like, you know, Jake Paul turning into a boxer kind of a thing at that point. But um who they wanted for that role, I heard the name Charles Bronson and I heard the name Tommy Lee Jones. So i think that's kind of cool. whoa I don't think I've seen Tommy Lee Jones in anything like earlier than Men in Black. so Yeah, I know. i What was he? I don't know. What does he look like? i don't know. He looks like as a young man.
00:22:17
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He's always looked, yeah, 50 to 60 years old. Yeah.
00:22:29
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All right. Should we move to Anton Chigurh? Let's do. First thing is his battle resume. I mean, we know he's an undefeated contract killer and must have left a pile of bodies behind him. And it has been implied when he flipped the coin, he said, this coin's been going around for 22 years. That might indicate that he's been doing this for 22 years.
00:22:51
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Character time period. No Country for Old Men was set in 1980. And let's talk a little bit about his background, training, skill set. Kind of foggy on this one.
00:23:01
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Yeah, a little foggy. he seems to be competent with everything he touches. And this is a guy who walks around with absolutely notorious and legendary status with everyone who he encounters.
00:23:13
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Partway through the movie, right, we meet other hitman, Carson Wells. He walks into that executive room. Hey, what do you know about Anton Shakur? He's like, Anton Shakur, that's a bad motherfucker. You know, he he is known within the industry of crazy people as being an exceptionally crazy dude.
00:23:29
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Absolute psychopath. He does have expertise in firearms, ah you know, close quarter combat. But I think the biggest thing about him, absolute fucking psychopath. Yeah. In fact, I was going to ask you guys, is he the goat psychopath in movies?
00:23:44
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Got to be one of them. I think he's my goat. Yeah. I mean, the only other person I can put him up against in our tournament right now has to be Hannibal Lecter. Yeah. And those two are on par.
00:23:54
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Yeah. So interestingly, you called him the goat psychopath. He won an Oscar for this role. So Javier Bardem played the psychopath really well. Yeah. I wanted to chime in on goat psychopaths, I guess. And Also wanted to give a shout out to Javier Bardem again for playing Raoul Silva, one of the best James Bond villains that we have ever seen from Skyfall. yep Yes. And yeah, plays that role really, really well.
00:24:24
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Frightening. Frightening. And just, yeah, I really enjoyed that film. Watch the end of that thing when I think it might be his last scene when he's laughing maniacally and I don't think it's all all his teeth got knocked out. It's just crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. when he takes he takes out his he talks about taking the cyanide and yeah takes out his fake teeth. And yeah, um another one I was going to say is kind of outside of this tournament a little bit because it's too fictionalized. But the Joker. Yeah.
00:24:49
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Just another great psychopath. Heath Ledger, obviously. Very good, yeah. and I've got the Joker on my runner-ups after Anton Chigurh. I've got Joker on there. Of course, the lit Ledger version. I've got Hannibal Lecter. I've got Dexter. I've got Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.
00:25:04
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Yep. And I've got John Doe from Seven, played by Kevin Spacey. Ooh, that's a good one. Yeah. That's good one. Very psychological in that one. It's a great movie.
00:25:16
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All right. Preferred Weapons.
Iconic Weapons and Symbols
00:25:19
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This has to be one of the most iconic weapons of the entire tournament. Air cylinder with the captive bolt pistol. The first time I watched this movie, I forget when it came out, I was probably in high school or something. I'm like, what the fuck is that thing? Later found out captive bolt pistol for putting down livestock. I feel like that kind of shows where his head's at, right? This guy sees slaughtering people like slaughtering cattle. This is execution for him. It's not flashy. It's just getting business done. Awesome.
00:25:48
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Also to your point with the captive bolt pistol is he has to sort of get up and close and personal with his victims. And they're so on ah on a so unaware of what is happening. And it's just such a creepy way to like to be It's it'ss so odd.
00:26:07
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But I think it shows confidence too. He could have been more effective with a gun or a knife or something like that, but this leaves no trace. It's easy. It doesn't need to be reloaded. He's so confident. It's nearly silent.
00:26:20
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Yeah. Just walk up someone and kill them. He's like, fine, I'll use this fucking contraption. Like I don't even need a gun such as a Remington semi-automatic 12 gauge with a homemade suppressor. How is that also one of the most badass movie guns in the tournament too? Yeah, that gun is so badass. Yeah. This is kind of getting, we're getting ahead of ourselves here because we're kind of talking about strengths and strategy and things like that. But what it is an iconic weapon of choice because it adds confusion to the mix, right? Nobody knows what the hell it is. If he pulled out a gun or an Uzi or some some kind of crazy ah thing, you know, weapon that everybody knows, the first thing you do is panic and run and it creates all that. This just causes confusion. People are like, what the hell is that thing? And I think that's great ah part of this character.
00:27:05
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Psychological warfare. Sampling of opponents. Anton Chigurh. mean, he runs in the crime circle, gangs. You know, he's probably putting hits out on other dangerous people. So he's definitely going after other dangerous people. Even drug cartels, I'd say. Yeah.
00:27:22
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Yeah. So in fact, a lot of the same common opponents, I think, as Christian Wolfe in The Accountant, because he kind of worked in that organized crime ring, right? Mm hmm.
00:27:33
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Wow, that would be a crazy pairing, the two of those. Oh my god. One big difference between those two and their sampling of opponents is that in Anton Chigurh's, just random innocent civilians. Just because he plays like it. yeah but So bad.
00:27:48
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Yeah, opponents. pete People who called tails. yeah
00:28:00
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Should we run the gauntlet? I think we do start off with keyboard carnage. Anyone have any good reviews? I heard one that was a little bit meta and I'm not sure what meta means, but you tell me if that's accurate.
00:28:15
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Anton sugar would kill Thanos with a coin toss. o Is that meta? I don't know. Yeah, that's kind of right. 50-50. I guess that was Thanos' thing. Kill half of everyone. um I don't have any keyboard carnage, but when I was searching Anton Chigurh clips on YouTube, I came across Anton Chigurh ASMR and it really creeped me out.
00:28:37
Speaker
It was a lot of like Anton Chigurh voice clips or scenes of him, but it was like in this ASMR, they made the sound into like an ASMR video. Okay. Sounding voice. It was creepy. That sounds like it has subliminal messages that'll mess you up if you listen yeah to it when you fall asleep. Be careful the YouTube rabbit holes that you go down. How about where they've gone too far? Scenes that were ridiculous or impossible to survive, but Anton pulled ahead anyway.
00:29:05
Speaker
Yeah. I think no country for old men was a very obviously believable grounded in reality film. What makes it one of the best, but in one of the parts where Josh Brolin is being chased by Anton,
00:29:17
Speaker
He's shooting at his truck and then Roland crashes the truck and scoots off to the side to try to ambush Anton. Anton walks up. He sees the trail of blood from the truck.
00:29:27
Speaker
And he kind of just stands there for so long. Like, you know that this guy is very calculating. He's very smart. He's always thinking three steps ahead. But for some reason, he can't figure out that Josh Brolin is just sitting over there with a shotgun ready to shoot him. And Josh Brolin comes out and then like Anton does this really like dramatized dive in behind one of the cars. And then when Brolin comes up and tries to find him, he's like completely gone. yeah So I thought that was kind of stupid. but Okay, fair enough.
00:29:55
Speaker
For your collection. Duh. The captive bolt pistol would be way too much. you got That's the only thing that you need. You'd have to keep in the closet. And only bring it out on special occasions. For Halloween. Bring out for Halloween. Do you know many people this thing has killed? I'm taking the suppress shock and I think it's badass. Okay. Yeah, i was going to say, having that up on your wall. I was going to say the coin.
00:30:17
Speaker
Oh, very cool. Yeah, nonchalant just kind of sitting up there. You could put that on like like an acrylic case around it. like Yeah, you could use it as a paperweight. yeah Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.
00:30:29
Speaker
And did the one point where he tells the shop, keep it to keep the coin that saved his life. Yeah. Right. Don't put it in your pocket with the other coins. Then it just becomes another coin. I think that kind of rolls us into yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. is it Exactly. Anyone have any one-liners? Movies full of them.
00:30:46
Speaker
Heads or tails. Yeah. it Good. Call it. My favorite is ah what's the most you ever lost on a coin toss. Yeah. I think that's it. Love it. Yeah. Definitely the most famous.
00:30:57
Speaker
But before that, I love it just because it was dumb where he's talking with that same dude and he's asking about where he's from. And he says, what business is it of yours where I'm from? Frendo.
00:31:11
Speaker
I'm just looking at him like, did he just seriously say friendo with a straight face? Yeah. I've got a bonus category for Chris. I think you know what it is. All I want is a one to 10 rating for both of these guys hair, snake and Anton.
00:31:27
Speaker
We spoke about it at the beginning yeah and I'm going off script here. You just told me to give a one to 10 rating, but we've got to talk about how completely opposed these two are with hair. Snake having beautiful, flowing, wonderful 80s locks.
00:31:41
Speaker
Patrick Swayze-esque. And then poor old Anton Chagot with his bowl cut, just sort of flailing in the wind. Yeah, giving a one to Anton and a eight to Plissken.
00:31:53
Speaker
yeah The only reason is the eye patch is messing with his hair. I think it messed with his hair. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I got, I got sugar with a one because I can't imagine anything worse.
00:32:04
Speaker
I got snake at a 10. I think he sets the bar in this entire tournament. I think he's got the best hair in the tournament. Yep. That's big. All right. I'm with you, Steve. And, know, being timely when we're recording this, I just finished the last episode last season of Stranger Things.
00:32:20
Speaker
I feel like his hair must have been the inspiration for Steve Harrington. Yeah. that show Steve Harrington. H-A-I-R-ington.
00:32:31
Speaker
Are we going to do a full hair episode? Nothing. We'll you to yeah we'll do a hair episode. Why not? what what about What about an outfit eff episode? This guy was rocking one of the coolest outfits. Oh, yeah. Snake skin boots. We didn't even get to that for your for your collection. The sci-fi boots, the sleeveless shirt, the ridiculous tight camo snake tiger print pants. Yep. It was a hell of an ensemble. So good.
00:33:03
Speaker
All right.
Character Highlights
00:33:05
Speaker
We've had enough fun. We got to get down to business. No more fun. Okay. The rest of this episode. Okay. I'm locked in. He's like, okay. He's like, yeah, I saw him put his, he's he switched his head around. Let's start an open discussion here for these guys. We're going to talk about some scenes that stand out. And remember that when we talk about these, it's going to be because we're leading toward uncovering their skillset and scenes that might help them win this battle.
00:33:30
Speaker
yeah I mean, ah gosh, I don't have his name right now, but for Snake Plissken when he's in the ring, yes, it was a cool scene, but oh my God, is this the most played out shit where the main character goes against the big berserker like they do in Rambo and Indiana Jones and name every other movie in this tournament. 300? Yeah, exactly exactly. We said we were going to get into it. The big brute yeah towards the end in the ring. What I love about this is we have our very own Hell in a Cell. Yeah. Within a movie. Is that meta? You know, callback. It is meta. Callback to our own episodes. Unfortunately, it's, you know, Snake isn't going against another big name. He's going against this fucking crazy. Ox Baker. Ox Baker. Hairy back. Yeah. Twizzled mustache. Matching twizzled eyebrows. Yeah. just growling and grandstanding, putting his arms in the air. He looks like one of those old school circus strong men. Yes.
00:34:30
Speaker
who That's what I thought. Who were like old, but not that strong. They were just gigantic. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And like who lifts the old timey weights that look like the foam exercise weights for the senior pool. Yeah. Two big balls on the end of the the barbell. yeah And it says like a thousand on it in in a stencil spray painted on there. 1,000 pounds.
00:34:53
Speaker
I love how Jordan mentioned it was played out because the exchange that they go through where they're just like smacking each other's yeahp garbage can, li yeah got garbage can lid shields, um, back and forth just for about two minutes straight. Um, had me dying with laughter. Uh, but then, yeah, I think obviously jokes aside, this dude is huge. Snake Plissken takes a beating, comes out the other side, does a little rough and tumble roll, gets out of the way, and then just takes the spiked bat right to the back of the guy's head. It's a great kill. And, uh, yeah, good kill.
00:35:27
Speaker
He took a bit of a beating in there. Yeah, he's very resilient throughout the film. And um I don't think there's anyone necessarily tougher than that. I think what was frustrating for me was that he has this great resume, this great backstory history, but we don't really get to see too much of any of it in the film. And I think that's a big yeah thing we always We kind of have to take their word for it, which is strange, right? Because I'm looking at him fighting this old, big, gigantic brawler. He's getting beaten. You know, it's a kind of a close call. And i don't know that I'm seeing any formal hand-to-hand combat training in this guy, even though he's an excellent brawler.
00:36:01
Speaker
At the very beginning, he he does. disar It took 30 minutes for us to see any action from Snape. in the film i think i noted that down but he disarms two guys in the basement while he's first searching for the president uh pretty easily and then obviously talked to about the the ninja star kill was really cool um i think he's really just he's just trying to track down the president and he's not really necessarily trying to get out and get kills survival instinct is part of this tournament though and he is i mean that's what he's all about these survival skills right in war zones yep so i'm going to give him pretty big credit for this i mean he's not like improvising against civilians he's surviving you know sustained hostile environments every time he turns and and goes into a different neighborhood uh in new york basically you know all these deadly factions so you know If we're going to compare it, Anton Chigurh, he's very lethal in controlled encounters, whereas as Snake, he's he's survived war zones.
00:36:55
Speaker
Speaking of Chigurh, toughest opponents that he has faced? i mean, in the movie, I feel like it's really just Llewellyn is the only shootout that you see with him. Everyone else, he's just sneaking up on them, and it's a quick blast him away deal.
00:37:07
Speaker
I'm just not seeing the tough opponent fights like Snake had. Maybe that's his strength, though, that he if he was to face a tough opponent, he wouldn't necessarily need to get into an exchange. He would just kind of like, you know, come out of the shadows and slit his throat and be done with it. Yeah, I mean, it would have been a hell of a fight.
00:37:25
Speaker
I agree. It's kind of in a very similar in that way. The two characters that you don't see too much from them in some way. Yeah, you know, there's a scene that I'll kind of segue into. It was kind of early in the movie, right? um He gets arrested. It's a traffic stop. What's interesting is that he doesn't resist. I mean, I think he probably could have just overpowered that cop right there on the spot. If he's going to kill the guy, he could kill him right there, right? But the officer just has no idea who he's dealing with.
00:37:54
Speaker
Chigurh, he just calmly allows himself to be cuffed, put in the car, brought into the station. And then all of a sudden the cop lets his guard down and he just quietly sneaks up behind him and strangles him with his handcuffs, frees himself, walks out of there, no rush, no panic. So, you know, it's not the chaos that Snake's dealing with. It's just very, very controlled and equally as effective.
00:38:16
Speaker
kind of you know It was a really cool introduction on who Anton Chigurh is when we're talking about his his skill set, you know how he could win this. I mean, he's things like patient, calculating. He doesn't follow the rules that everyone else does. So yeah, I thought that was a pretty interesting scene.
00:38:33
Speaker
The closest to danger he came, other than I guess towards the end where he's pretty beat up, was at the motel where he takes out the three cartel members in the motel room just comes in and annihilates them despite, you know, having an Uzi shot at him. And think you really see him go to work. though Should I ask you guys about the basketball game?
00:38:54
Speaker
oh yeah. Here's what I want to know. We don't have to talk about it. We know a Snake wins the game. It's a huge positive for him that he can adapt and extreme pressure. It's a crazy basketball game that no one's ever, whatever, blah, blah, blah. He did it. Okay. But here's what I want to know.
00:39:10
Speaker
Full court basketball court. You have to score 10 points, but you have to alternate baskets. Okay. Back and forth. And there's a 10 second shot clock. it You make it on one end, 10 seconds for the other one, but you cannot miss.
00:39:24
Speaker
So any anything that goes wrong there, you're dead. Cuervo Jones said no one had ever won. I want to know, could LeBron James do it? Could Steph Curry do it? 10 seconds. It seems doable to me.
00:39:35
Speaker
Steph Curry, yes. LeBron, no. No? Prime LeBron? No, I mean, LeBron probably could. I think he's taking layups, but Steph would have a better chance, I think, of winning. The 10-second shot clock is crazy.
00:39:48
Speaker
I'd want to try it. All right. Yeah. Here's the thing. I thought it was insanely hard because I could never do it because I suck at basketball. But go on YouTube and look up Escape from L.A. Basketball Challenge and you will find a million videos of people doing it and successfully completing it.
00:40:04
Speaker
So with that being said, what I'm going say just random people, not Michael Jordan. Exactly. OK, good. Why did I think that this wasn't already a thing? I'm like, oh, boy, somebody should try that.
00:40:15
Speaker
Oh, yeah. It must have been the 1996 version of the Ice Bucket Challenge. Here's a fun one. Swap universes. How would these guys do in each other's universe?
00:40:26
Speaker
I'm going to say pretty good. well why don't we start off with Snake and No Country for Old Men? What what are you guys seeing? Yeah, he's kind of... i think he's too flashy. Futuristic cowboy type. Yeah, I was going to say that too, Steve, that I think he stands out too much.
00:40:39
Speaker
Yeah. Eye patch and Chigurh kind of blends in. so you know That haircut. Seems like a dweeb. That blends in. It's an interesting one. my My thought is that I don't know that either way it would work.
00:40:54
Speaker
i'm I'm going to say they both do pretty decent though. They're both master trackers. That's kind of their thing is is they go in and they find the guy. Yeah, 100%. You know, so there there is a scene in No Country for Old Men I found really interesting for the character of Anton Chigurh. The movie presents Anton as an agent of fate, basically. He flips the coin. It's almost like, hey, it's not his call. He's not making a decision. He just is carrying out the sentence, right, based on the coin flip. But I actually think that he's probably the most cruel character that we've talked about so far.
00:41:25
Speaker
And I'm thinking of the Carla Jean scene where, you know, the kind of really the helpless wife of Llewellyn, right? yeah um And there's a twist. Call it. Flip a coin. Heads or tails. And the twist is this.
00:41:37
Speaker
Carla Jean refuses to call it. So by refusing to call heads or tails, she just essentially just proved that Anton Chigurh is a complete fraud. And this whole quote unquote code that he has, right? It's just fate. It's just fate. No, it's actually him that makes that decision. He still killed her. He still killed her, which proves the truth that it was not about fate. It was not about chance. It was just about his decision to kill people.
00:42:02
Speaker
i like that. You guys want to talk about x factor. This is where we're really drilling it down. We talked about some of our favorite
What Makes Anton Unique?
00:42:08
Speaker
scenes. You can certainly talk about more scenes, but let's maybe if you're ready, let's talk about an X factor.
00:42:13
Speaker
I'll start with Anton Chigurh. There's something wrong in his head, and that makes him deadly. He has supernatural determination. I think just his whole psychopath mentality, like the way that he approaches pain is unlike anyone else.
00:42:27
Speaker
That situation where he gets a compound fracture, bones sticking out of his arm, and he's just walking it off. He's breaking into a pharmacy to give himself his own medical care. What makes him dangerous is that he's not overcome by emotion. If he has any emotion, it's just the lust for blood. But other than that, this guy's a fucking Terminator. That's really good point. I think there's a lot of these guys you know in this tournament. They don't get flustered under pressure and very calm. I feel like all of them suppress their anxiety and their emotion.
00:42:58
Speaker
I think he doesn't have emotion and and anxiety. He doesn't have to suppress it because he doesn't have it. I have it noted down that Chigurh's power lies in removing a meaning from confrontation. So he has no connection or emotion about what he's doing. There's no negotiation, no provocation. There's no emotional leverage.
00:43:18
Speaker
He just gets the job done. He lives to kill. That's his X factor. That's a good take. Chris, I think you mentioned this briefly, but check out that motel shootout. What I see it with this guy, he does lack formal training. He's not a Green Beret. He's not a military trained veteran or anything like that. He's not a martial artist. He doesn't have any of that formal training. But what he lacks in that type of training, he makes up for with just cold, methodical problem solving under fire. Yeah.
00:43:48
Speaker
What he does in that scene, he shoots out locks instead of kicking through the door. He kills the lights to, you know, control the visibility and kind of set the stage. He uses a suppressed shotgun. He dictates dictates space with that. So, you know, starting to compare these guys, Plissken thrives in chaos, as we said, but Chigurh is creating chaos, but on his own terms. He's creating chaos for other people. I think that's a massive advantage. Absolutely.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah. Speaking of chaos, we can get to Snake's X Factor.
Snake's Strengths
00:44:22
Speaker
Do it. He obviously represents defiance against systems, governments. And I want to say he kind of is very reluctant to kill or he's really only focusing on the task at hand in that he needs to get the president back safely to save his own ass. So the motivation for him to kill only comes from defending himself. And I think that plays well into... the tournament style is that you're going to have somebody coming after you and they're going to be trying to kill you and can you defend yourself and i think snake has that ability obviously what we don't see in the film really too much is his x factor his backstory um he's obviously highly trained and has had a lot of experience from what is inferred or implied
00:45:10
Speaker
We do see flashes of it in the Ninja Star kill. And, ah you know, he is using his Uzi throughout the film. So, you know that his skills are there, but maybe he's just not needing to use them so often as he's being maybe more evasive than than he would be if he had to go out and kill. So, yeah, evasion and his ah his backstory, I think, are his biggest X factor.
00:45:34
Speaker
I think Snake's biggest advantage is that he doesn't care. You know, Chigurh needs control. He commands control and that's what he has to do. Snake, I feel like he understands that his his universe is already doomed. So it just makes him resigned, right? Almost like he's already dead.
00:45:51
Speaker
And I think that's really dangerous because you can't intimidate this guy. You can't bargain with him. There's no psychological warfare that you can pull against somebody who just has nothing to lose. And I think that's a big factor for a Snake.
00:46:04
Speaker
I mean, what what is the setting for this tournament? They're going to have to find each other. Him and Anton Chigurh are going have to go after each other. They're going to have to track each other down. They're going to have to secure and execute each other. I mean, that is right within Snake's wheelhouse. That's literally the purpose of these two movies. It's basically like he's in this tournament already. He's done this before.
00:46:24
Speaker
You have some characters in the tournament where we're asking them to do something where they're turning their skills as a fighter and to do something different in the tournament. But I feel like this tournament is really set up for the kind of thing that Snake's already doing.
00:46:36
Speaker
It's good call. Hard to argue that. I guess before we go to the final verdict, do you feel it do either you feel like one of these guys, both of these guys have some sort of path to victory?
00:46:47
Speaker
Yeah.
Winning Strategies
00:46:48
Speaker
Yeah. I do. i actually have a path to victory for both of them. and and And I think that's kind of the whole idea of this tournament. One thing that I've learned here by by studying all three of these movies, Anton Chigurh, I don't think can beat Snake in a fair fight.
00:47:02
Speaker
So Chigurh doesn't allow it to be a fair fight. It's going to, you know, if it turns into a straight firefight, Snake's going to win every time. Anton's, you know, entire, I guess, method is about making sure it never becomes that kind of ah of of an encounter. He wins by...
00:47:20
Speaker
ambush by confinement. You know, he's on tight hallways, he's in doorways and stairwells and motel rooms and small confined spaces. So the universe that he's creating to to make these kills is shrunk to just like the head of a needle, right? what do you call that? needle You know what I mean? The eye of a needle. But anywhere snakes, you know, improvis imp improvisational chaos,
00:47:44
Speaker
would be limited in these spaces, right? That's what I think. And anyway, Chigurh, he studies the routines, um he controls timing, ah he he strikes when when Snake thinks he's alone, that's when he would he would strike. And most importantly, Anton Chigurh does not rush. he's patient enough to wait Snake out, right? For the right moment to bleed him down, force a mistake. You know, it it just takes one ambush. It takes one clean hit and and just, I guess, one moment where Snake reacts instead of initiates, right? And then I think it's over. you know Snake's a survivor. Chigurh is an executioner. So if Anton can win, it's not going to be ah you know loud and flashy and heroic and cinematic or anything like that. It's going to be fast. It's going to be quiet.
00:48:31
Speaker
It's going to be you know fucking boring. Maybe boring, if you want to call it that. yeah I think that the pack path of victory for Snake, as you mentioned, is the opposite of that. So we learned that Anton Chigurh is the master of creating these scenarios there, and he does it 99 out of 100 times.
00:48:51
Speaker
But that one out of 100 times, for example, the hotel shootout there in Mexico, where he wasn't expecting on the other side of the door that there was another shotgun already pointed at him. And all of a sudden, he's getting in this firefight where he hadn't planned all this stuff out. And all of a sudden, you see that he's mortal.
00:49:07
Speaker
he's getting injured and all of these things are happening where everything else is so calculated. I think that's where Snake is going to have to find his niche here is where where a Snake can thrive in more of the chaos and thinking on his feet. You see Anton Chigurh and it was a fair fight there. You know, he's a badass and everything else. But up against Llewellyn, who's just a hunter and welder with very little training. It was tit for tat. Someone like Snake Plissken, if he's in that scenario, I think he's he's going to be able to take him, and that is Snake's path to victory.
00:49:39
Speaker
You know, I noticed too, there's a lot of comparisons and contrasts between these two guys. One of the most dangerous things about Chigurh is that he uses these rules to justify what he does. And they may be rules made up in his own head and and they might be completely cruel, but they matter to him, right? And that's why he does the coin flips. That's about fate, inevitability. And that's kind of the framework of how this guy operates. But the thing about those rules and the games and everything...
00:50:06
Speaker
Snake Plissken doesn't care about games or rules at all. And we saw that, remember, in Escape from L.A. We saw that that he had the chance, he had the power to decide who wins.
00:50:18
Speaker
It could be himself. It could be... The country, it could be the fate of the world, all that. He got to choose who wins, and he didn't do any of it. Instead, he blew up the game board.
00:50:29
Speaker
So he's not going to play that game. He just he just you know swipes the chessboard ah right off the table. That type of setup that Plissken is going to pull is really a nightmare matchup for Chigurh in that sense.
00:50:41
Speaker
I think in that same movie, too, he showed here's how he takes Chagur down. He's going to catch him monologuing. So in that same movie where he's got those four banditos who have guns on him and he picks up the can off the ground and he says, OK, let's do it. I think he says, let's do it Shanghai style. I'm going to throw the can up in the air and we all draw when it hits the ground. He throws it up in the air and he shoots them all while they're not planning. This is the kind of thing. Anton Chigurh is pulling out his coin and Snake Plissken is already shooting him before he can get to it because he doesn't play these games.
00:51:16
Speaker
Now it's time to settle the score.
00:51:29
Speaker
Guys, I'm getting nervous here. Are we ready for the verdict? Let's do it. It's a close one. I'm so scared.
Who Should Win?
00:51:38
Speaker
It's like Anton is breathing down my neck. um Oh God.
00:51:42
Speaker
I'll go first. Yeah. okay Anton, easily the goofiest looking motherfucker in the tournament, but I do not want to say that to his face. Getting into, I guess, a summary of him, how he could win, you know, He is death incarnate. He is the embodiment of death. He leaves a wake of blood, gore, bodies everywhere he goes. He does it gracefully. He operates like the Grim Reaper.
00:52:10
Speaker
ah He's quiet, calculating, inevitable. And that really shows that you know he is fate and embodied. You don't fight Anton so much as you realize too late that the outcome was decided before the encounter even started. Hmm.
00:52:26
Speaker
Mm-hmm. He's relentless, emotionally unreachable and terrifyingly resilient as we see in the film. And then switch to Snake Plissken. Charismatic in you know his own way. He easily has the most badass name in the entire tournament. Absolutely one of the most iconic and badass looks as well in the tournament.
00:52:49
Speaker
Canonically, he's a Green Beret, has a legendary backstory, amazing experience. And we are told that he has these amazing skills. We see some of them, but unfortunately the catch, we barely see any of them ah throughout the film. He's mostly doing evasion or he's tracking down the president and most of snakes enemies aren't especially formidable. He survives less through dominance and more through improvisation. And I think help from others as well is you see the help that he gets from brain. He's tough, resourceful, and hard to kill, um but I'd say he's more a survivor and not really an unstoppable force as kind of what Anton is.
00:53:31
Speaker
And so if you hadn't guessed it already, I am picking Anton. Snake refuses to die, but it doesn't matter as much as he refuses. Anton is just going to kill him anyway.
00:53:44
Speaker
Very good. Good argument. I love that. When I ah ah texted our group chat earlier and I was like, oh man, this is going to be a total shutout. And then I started thinking about it more. I'm like, and I just kept waffling on who I thought was going to take this throughout the day because I could see it going both ways. And even now I'm i'm not sure who's going to take this one.
00:54:02
Speaker
So my take here, Anton Chigurh, like Thanos, is inevitable. But for me, so many of his encounters are people not expecting him or non-trained people. And when he is caught off guard by someone like Llewellyn, it starts becoming an even fight pretty quickly. And when I look at Snake Plissken, he's got a lot of these same tracking skills. They might not be as good as Anton Chigurh's, but he has the fighting skills and weapon skills that he doesn't have.
00:54:32
Speaker
I think leaning into those and the fact that he can think on his feet... I just think he's a more well-rounded person. I think it's a much narrower window or Anton sugar can kill him. Anton sugar can kill him. Absolutely. Certainly, you know, maybe in my mind, 30% of the time, but I think snake Bliskin is just going to scrape by 70% of the time.
00:54:53
Speaker
So in my head, I'm giving this one to snake. Okay. Also snake has ninja stars. I mean, that's fucking cool. Yeah. Oh man, two great arguments. And this is such a confusing matchup for me. I went back and forth on this. I mean, literally all week, seriously, I was going back and forth on the surface. It looks like snake is the clear favorite.
00:55:15
Speaker
He's got the highlight reel. He's got the cool kills. He's got the insane survival feats and success across crazy, different deadly scenarios. Right. So, and he survives all of them on paper.
00:55:27
Speaker
He even reads like, our other military monsters like, ah you know, what Colonel James Braddock and Rambo and the accountant from what they, what they, the picture they painted for us.
00:55:38
Speaker
But when I really watched these movies with weaknesses in mind, I started to see some cracks in, Snake Plissken, oddly, is almost never 100%. He but he like literally limps through the entire first movie, Escape from New York. He's sick with the flu in Escape from L.A., the entire movie. He's gotten captured before. He's been overpowered before. He did survive that cage fight, but took a severe beating from the old the the big dude, at Ox Baker. And most telling for me...
00:56:11
Speaker
Cabby said he survived like 30 years in the most dangerous city on earth as a cab driver, and he survived. Within like two minutes, Plissken gets in that car and and the car blows up and the cabbie is dead.
00:56:24
Speaker
Now, this is not just bad luck, right? This is Snake making our completely reckless call, in my opinion. But anyway, those are some real dents in the armor that I see for somebody who's trying to win this tournament. Now, quickly, I just want to compare him to Anton Chigurh here.
00:56:41
Speaker
What I see in Chigurh is unmatched pain tolerance, absolute control emotionally, and just a focus on finishing the mission that that seems, I mean, it borders on superhuman, right? Finishing that mission, which is very important in this tournament.
00:56:57
Speaker
But the thing that truly separates him from like every other psychopath that we've discussed, Dexter, Hannibal Lecter, they all had codes. Chigurh's code is a lie.
00:57:08
Speaker
Dexter has rules, like I said. Hannibal Lecter, he follows certain rules. Chigurh pretends to have similar rules about the coin flip until they get in the way. If the rules get in the way...
00:57:18
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The rules don't matter. Carla Jean refused the the coin flip. No big deal. He abandons the ritual. It's not fate. It doesn't go by rules. It's just execution. That moment tells me that the code is just optics.
00:57:31
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When it stops serving the mission, they don't matter. He's also strangely invisible. The gas station clerk does not know he's in danger. He's just confused. Carla Jean thinks she's having a conversation with him. She's not.
00:57:46
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Another guy, he lets literally lets Chigarh press a deadly weapon right on his forehead, and he's just like, hey, what's that? Like he's like he's confused. And we even see the deputy cuff him and then literally turn his back on this dangerous guy. And they just people don't register as him as a threat, and I think that's a skill.
00:58:07
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Chigurh doesn't need to beat Snake in a fair fight. I said that. He just needs one moment, right? One ambush. And that's what he needs. Snake has shown me, at least, over and over, Snake has given those up in the past. And I just can't get past that. And for the second week in a row, I am completely surprised by my verdict.
00:58:27
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And I'm selecting the winner as Anton Chigurh. Wow. Crazy. Our first ah Special Forces guy goes out. Yeah. I would say out of all the special forces guys, he's probably the weakest. He fits, he fits the mold of everyone else.
00:58:42
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I didn't see it. I just heard about it. Well, I'm sad to see him go, but man, what a cool movie. And it still holds up. Why is this movie cool?
00:58:54
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Because in one sentence you're already hooked. What if New York city was a maximum security prison? That's all I need to hear. yeah And Kurt Russell in tight pants.
00:59:08
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titans Yeah. Yeah. Well, we did it. This was another crazy one, but everybody went back and forth.
And the Winner Is...
00:59:15
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I think we all changed our minds about 15 times, but the final verdict, Anton sugar from no country for old men advances to the next round of the tournament.
00:59:25
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And that my friends is a goddamn fact.
00:59:39
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