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Episode 3: Jax Teller (SOA) v Man With No Name — Horseback & Horsepower
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What happens when an outlaw biker meets an outlaw cowboy?
In this dusty showdown, we pit Jax Teller of SAMCRO against The Man With No Name, Clint Eastwood’s squinting, silent gunslinger. One rides with a gang, the other rides solo. One favors leather and automatic rifles — the other? A poncho and a six-shooter.
We talk kill counts, grit levels, and tactical minds… and ask the important questions like:
Could Jax hang in a standoff? Would MWNN survive a drive-by? And just how far can you get with nothing but a cigar and a stare?
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Transcript
Introduction to Fictional Fighting Championship
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This is the fictional fighting championship podcast, the ultimate battleground where Hollywood's deadliest warriors collide. We're taking 48 of the most ruthless, skilled, and battle-hardened fighters from movies and TV and throwing them into a no-holds-bar tournament to see who survives.
00:00:26
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You've seen in the movies, you know the legends. Now it's time to settle the score.
Match-up Introduction: Jax Teller vs. Man with No Name
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I'm Jordan Guerrero. I'm Christian Doherty. And I'm Steve Sadler. And this is a podcast about the greatest fictional tournament in the history of the universe. Today we've got ah kind of an interesting one, guys. It's a first round matchup between Jax Teller from Sons of Anarchy and the man with no name from the Dollar Trilogy.
Generational Clash: Western vs. Biker Culture
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This is the very first episode that we've had with someone with no name, yet also three names. So this is going to be a good one. Yeah, we're going cross-generational with this matchup.
00:01:22
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We got old school and new school, don't we? Yeah, absolutely. I had that exact thought you know half an hour ago getting ready for this episode. it's ah It's really cool.
00:01:33
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Yeah. it's ah Well, we've got we've got we've got some information on this, but before we really roll on the breakdown, um we always ask this before we start.
Hosts' Initial Thoughts on Match-up
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Pre-research, when you heard this matchup, who did you guys have? Did you have a ah thought either way?
00:01:51
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So I'm a huge Sons of Anarchy fan. And initially, having not seen any of the Dollar Trilogy before this, I was thinking, oh, Jax Tiller has this. He's absolutely brutal. He's going to fuck this guy up.
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And then going and watching all of this Dollar Trilogy movies, I'm like, OK, Clint Eastwood's actually pretty badass and generational thing here. I thought the movies were going to suck.
00:02:14
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They were pretty good. Nice. We're going to talk more about that. Don't jump. Don't jump the gun here. Nice. i I went the opposite way. I am kind of, you know, I lean more towards, you know, old man strength, you know, having experience and grit and, you know, having gone through so much shit.
00:02:33
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I think that put someone ah a leg up but against somebody else potentially. I mean, I feel like I'm getting old, so I sort of resonate with that a little bit. Nice. And i I gotta be honest. So um I originally was pretty strongly in favor of Jax Teller.
00:02:50
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And I remember him being you know more um kind of more of an aggressive guy, an aggressive character. and And the big thing for me is, but again, before before I started researching this again,
00:03:02
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I couldn't get over the fact that maybe a pistol from like the 1800s could even shoot straight. So that was in my mind too. So I i had to get over that a little bit, but we'll see if any of our minds changed. But I think it's always interesting to to find that out.
Character Profile: Jax Teller
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Let's roll into the tale of the tape, and we're going to start with Jax Teller. Jax Teller, he debuted. His rookie season was 2008 in the Sons of Anarchy pilot episode.
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He's portrayed by Charlie Hunnam. His stats, his fight stats, six one about 185, and he's in his early thirty s His home turf, if he fights out of Charming, California.
00:03:45
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That's pretty clear. And his signature move, from what I can tell, Jordan, if you want to jump in on this, I think i think he biker biker brawl tactics and and and stuff like that, right?
00:03:57
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Yeah, I think you could call the knuckle sandwich. Knuckle sandwich. Beautiful. ah The vibe check. Kind of one of these brooding antiheroes, ah loyal to his family, his friends, his gang, you know, kind of outlaw biker type.
00:04:12
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And I think he's also kind of known for making poor decisions from what I can tell. He's pretty damn rash and reactive, but also pretty brutal. So yeah, great TV character. um Now let's get to some fun and games here. This is what we're hearing is a favorite segment of a lot of our our listeners.
00:04:32
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um The kill count. Right now we have Chris up three to one. So here's what we need is direct kills that we saw in Sons of Anarchy, including murders that he ordered. So that murders that he's responsible for. Yes.
00:04:50
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And also if there's any implied, like you see a ah flashback or something like that, of course that counts too. Chris, I need you go first. I don't want you to prices right me on this one.
00:05:02
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ah It's a good plan. Let's see. um I'm assuming it ran for many seasons. I know it was very popular. He's pretty brutal. Ordering kills. I mean, that's that could really put him up there.
00:05:16
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I will go with 135. going to say you are way high here. So seven seasons, about 10 episodes per season between ordering and killing less than one per episode. I'm to put out 57.
00:05:30
Speaker
Okay. The answer 46. Nice. the answer is forty six nice Quite a lot. Quite a lot for a biker gang guy, um but not on the scale of, you know, Dexter, an actual serial killer.
00:05:51
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All right, good. So Jordan's starting to even this thing up. It's three to two now, and we still have another one to come up here in about a minute.
Character Profile: Man with No Name
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Man with no name. His debut, 1964, in a fistful of dollars. That's the first time we saw him.
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There were two more movies right afterwards, and they all Came right out. Boom, boom, boom. ah In the mid 60s, portrayed by Clint Eastwood, his fight stats, six to about 180 mid 30s.
00:06:16
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So, Chris, pretty interesting. These guys are about the same age at that time, right? Nice, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of an ageless guns gunslinger type dude. where's What's his home turf? Kind of like that old West, right? But specifically on the American Mexican borderlands over there.
00:06:32
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And believe it or not, this was based in the 1860s to 1870 ish range. um His signature move. He had that thin cigar always in between his teeth and kind of just out shooting entire gangs before anybody could even blink is kind of what he does there.
00:06:52
Speaker
I feel like his signature move was less of an actual fight move and more of this grimace. He just gave everyone that you were lucky if you didn't fold when he looked at you. How ah close are we going to, you know, real UFC type fights where weight
Fighting Styles: Modern Aggression vs. Traditional Gunslinging
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is a factor? Cause I feel like Jack's teller is jacked and no man with no name is, is definitely skinnier.
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yeah If they were to meet without guns, I would say Jack Stella had this one, but that's not the case. so yeah And they're roughly in the same weight class, which is pretty, not not always going to be true, that's for sure. But definitely different body types. And and are we going to break down the like a workout regimen in the 1860s too? to see if that's goingnna lit Lifting rocks and stuff. Totally, totally.
00:07:43
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Um, vibe check. Yeah. Well, that listen, this is Clint Eastwood, the squint squinty, um, you know, grimace, the scowl kind of an OG cool cowboy. And of course, silent, silent, but deadly, right?
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That's kind of his thing. Love that. Yeah. Uh, let's do it. Kill count three movies. All right. I'll, I'll start this one. I'm going to say 50, 50. fifty fifty okay I watched the first one, Fistful of Dollars, and didn't seem like he was killing lot of people. He was definitely being a badass, but he wasn't like going around killing everybody, but that could have changed in the next movies. I'm going to say 30.
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Okay, so 30 and 50.
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i The winner is Chris. God damn it. The estimated total is 35 to 40. nice And those are on-screen confirmed kills. Now, there's something pretty interesting about this, too.
00:08:40
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The way the film was was made, they were very, very cagey about telling us too much, right? You know this trope, right? Oh, he killed 300 people last year in ah in a saloon or something.
00:08:54
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They didn't do that. and they did And I guess it was deliberate. They were way more cagey. It was more about his reputation that ah preceded him. We know he had... dozens, if not hundreds of kills as a bounty hunter
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before. We know he's a bounty hunter. When he showed up, he had his reputation preceded him, but they didn't tell us any of that. So we can't count it. We only know for sure 35 to 40 deaths, even though it's it's not even implied. It's just like everybody's scared of this dude.
00:09:25
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It's almost like ah ah you know your win record. boxing or ufc professional versus unprofessional can we really count those kills if we didn't see him that's right you know so that's exactly right and there was no thing like dexter's slides you know his his blood slides anything like that so we just don't have anything even though we can probably guess that he had a ah shitload more that's the tale of the tape um let's take a break let's turn it over to our sponsor gorilla grips handshake lotion
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Jax Teller’s Battles and Enemies
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00:10:54
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Really? Really? Yes. and Okay. I like it. I'm a Kong fan, but I was disappointed because he he got owned by Godzilla last time, right? I mean, geez.
00:11:12
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All right, let's do a character breakdown. Jax Teller. Let's talk a little bit about his battle resume, who he goes up against and things like that. He's a biker gang guy, right?
00:11:23
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So rival motorcycle gangs is the first one that I can think of. Rival motorcycle gangs, anyone else who gets in their way, anyone who accidentally witnesses a crime that they're committing.
00:11:34
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I feel like they're fighting everyone out here. And something that really sets him apart from some other people is how he was absolutely born into it. His dad was the president of the MC c before him.
00:11:45
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He was completely born into this life. So it's really all that he's ever known. Yeah. Roughest, toughest opponents, you could say. He's built experience over time. yeah He started at a young age, and and so we can transition this right into kind of his training and skill set.
00:12:02
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I don't see anything like that that would lead me to believe that he has any formal fight training, martial arts, anything like that. It looks like maybe street street fighting, right?
00:12:13
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All instincts. But he's very good at it. Yeah, he was the Kimbo Slice of charming California. Jordan and I both own motorcycles, so I think that says a lot about how tough we are.
00:12:24
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Yeah, I think so. Yeah, and you guys are both street fighters as well. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he started as a teen. And also, I'll give him some credit here. His marksmanship, he can handle a weapon and any kind of weapon. He's, like I think, a dirty fighter.
00:12:39
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yeah He'll use whatever he can to to win any any given fight. Yeah, I don't know if it's jumping the gun to get to some of his signature weapons, but I feel like he uses pistol all the time is Glock 17 or he's got a suppressor on some other pistol.
00:12:52
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He's always shooting people execution style from two feet away. That seems to be the common way that everyone gets off in this show. And then my personal favorite is his like K bar knife that he keeps on his belt at all times.
00:13:06
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From episode one to the very end, you almost never see him without it. And he absolutely goes to frickin pound town with that thing. Get some brutal kills in. Nice. Anything ah classic or typical of a biker gang like chains or brass knuckles or anything like that?
00:13:22
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I think there's a crowbar involved, um like a baseball bat or some kind of club, things like that, that are a little bit more crude type weapons, right? Yeah. Some of the opponents that this guy has faced, ah the first one that jumps out, Clay, his own stepdad, is the first one that jumps out to me. Ooh.
00:13:39
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But there's pretty wide array. That old stepdad-stepson rivalry. It's a beautiful trope. ah Huge spoiler to Chris who hasn't seen all these, but the cartel back Mayans, Chinese and Russian crime families, Aryan Brotherhood, the actual IRA, like the fucking IRA, Chris, he t takes them on. Wow. Who are actually ah ah initially supporters of theirs. Anyone who gets in the way, innocent people who are slightly crime adjacent, police.
00:14:07
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Yeah, that's quite the resume. Who hasn't he offed? Yeah.
00:14:18
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Let's run the gauntlet, shall we? Keyboard carnage. Here's one right here. It sounds like a frustrated viewer is what this one sounds like. It says, watching jacks make good decisions is like watching a cat walk a tightrope.
00:14:30
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Rare, stressful, and you're just waiting for a disaster.
00:14:36
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That's kind of poetic. I mean, yeah. Can you disagree with that at all?
Jax Teller’s Flaws and Unrealistic Moments
00:14:40
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Okay, so this is a category i can't wait to get to for some of the 80s action hero types. It's called They've Gone Too Far.
00:14:49
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And this one, I don't know that this one has any that come to mind where you think, oh, God, he should be dead right now. i don't i think he had a motorcycle accident that maybe he walked out of that looked pretty rough.
00:15:03
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Nothing huge jumps out to me. I'm going to go say all of season three in this one where they go, they spend the entire season in Ireland fighting the IRA to try and get his son back. Like that, that whole thing seems fucking ridiculous.
00:15:16
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Yeah. And then there was some shootout where they were in a warehouse and, you know, a billion bullets and most of them aren't getting killed. That seemed pretty ridiculous, but overall just this whole, we're going to Ireland to battle the IRA was yeah kind of insane.
Iconic Items from Sons of Anarchy
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For your collection. Is there anything from the series, specifically maybe from Jax, that you think you'd like to hang in in your memorabilia case?
00:15:42
Speaker
I can't really say much because I already said I haven't seen the season the the series, but his hair. That head of hair is freaking beautiful. And we all want hair like that, slicked back, looking nice and shiny and like you want to touch it and then you're riding a motorcycle down the freeway and it's blowing behind it's blowing in the wind yeah okay i like it you know it but then it's like sounds creepy that i want some like hair in a case but you know what can you say just it just looks really nice
00:16:15
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Okay, Hannibal Lecter. yeah No, he's he's all joking aside. he He has to be one of i mean him and Clint Eastwood, some of the most strapping looking men in the series. I'll give you that for my collection. what I'm taking.
00:16:33
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really see it the most in the final episode, his ride out into the sunset, if you will, the 1946 knucklehead Harley that he rides out on that thing's bad-ass, very classic motorcycle. And if there's anything in the series that I'd like in my collection, i'd be writing that thing to work.
00:16:50
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That'd be pretty amazing. Yeah, I'm not a motorcycle guy myself, which is but I'm still going to take something motorcycle adjacent. That vest, that leather vest is still pretty cool. And I don't know that I can pull it off, to be real honest, but I would like to have it you know hanging next to my Ric Flair robe, maybe something like that ah in my and my display case. I think it'd be a good good conversation piece.
00:17:16
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Let us know in the comments if you think Steve Sadler could pull off Jack's Teller's cut. I would like to, I'd like to know that because I think I'm, maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised. I think people have a lot of faith in me pulling off those types of things.
00:17:28
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You've got to earn that vest as an initiate. That's right. i You don't, you don't get, you don't even get the the badge on the back until you do, you kill someone or something. I don't know. Yeah. Could you, could you do it?
00:17:39
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No, I just want the vest, man. You got to, you got to do some bitch work first.
00:17:48
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Listen, now it's time for our favorite segment. Six degrees of Steve. Okay. I like this one. This is a good one. Charlie Hunnam plays Jax. He was in the gentleman with Matthew McConaughey.
00:18:01
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Love that series. Yep. Matthew McConaughey. That movie movie. Right. Right. And the series was good too. ye But anyway, Matthew McConaughey was in the Wolf of Wall Street with Leonardo DiCaprio.
00:18:11
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Great movie. Another good movie. Big names. Leo was in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt was in The Counselor with Cameron Diaz.
00:18:23
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Cameron Diaz was in Charlie's Angels Full Throttle with Justin Theroux. And Justin Theroux was in White House Plumbers with me.
00:18:34
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How many was that? Six? yeah I wasn't counting. You used all six degrees. Yeah. Yeah. So here's a follow-up question. McConaughey, DiCaprio, Pitt, Cameron Diaz, Charlie Hunnam, Justin Theroux, and me. Who would you say is the best looking of that crew?
00:18:53
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Brad Pitt, easily. Yeah. Come on. I mean, but behind you, of course. Behind you, of course. Yeah. Come on, Jordan. he's He's right there. Why would you say that? These are a- list A-listers, right?
00:19:06
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I was going to say these are big names that you're muddled in with. Big names. Who has the highest Q rating?
Charlie Hunnam's Role and Performance
00:19:14
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What's a Q rating? Yeah, I'm out of the industry here. Walk walk me through this one. That's like ah public perception on how famous you are. Am I in the top six? Well, let me put it this way. I don't have the top six out out of the six. i you see I don't have a signed Matthew McConaughey at my house, but I do have a signed Steve Sadler. So my movie business leans heavily on Steve Sadler.
00:19:40
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Nice. Nice. You're all in on that. Yeah. who Who are we asking? The listeners of this podcast or like the general public? I'd like him to chime in. Yes. All right. Did we pick the right character for for for this actor?
00:19:54
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Yeah. Yeah. It's his best role. Yeah. Okay. He's British. my Am I right in thinking that? Yeah. You watch interviews. He sounds just like you. Nice. Are you surprised that he's able to pull off the American accent so well?
00:20:09
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It's funny you bring that up because I want you to listen to this.
00:20:14
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It's hard not to hate.
00:20:18
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People, things, institutions, when they break your spirit and take pleasure in watching you bleed, hate is the only feeling that makes sense.
00:20:35
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Pretty cool quote. Very gravelly voice. But I kind of detect that it's not an American accent. It's little off, really. you can you're and You're in the business. You can tell. You can like gauge how good he is at speaking in accents. But he looks American. He looks like he belongs in a biker gang. like yeah He fits this role so well.
00:20:57
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I'm surprised he's not American. Yeah.
Cultural Impact of the Man with No Name
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We're going to switch over to the man with no name, played by Clint Eastwood.
00:21:10
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This is of all 48 contestants in our tournament. This is the oldest reference that we have. 1964 is when the first movie came out. We got nothing that's that old.
00:21:22
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This is it. So that brings up ah kind of a unique viewpoint that I want to get from you guys. And before you get crazy, i don't want to hear it. No, I was not born in 1964.
00:21:37
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but I deliberately selected this for the tournament because of how different it was. And I want to ask you guys, did you have any thoughts of this character or the movies before i added him?
00:21:47
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Yes. i I absolutely thought that these movies were to dog shit. um I thought it was going to be hokey acting. I thought that the plot was going to be bad. I just had all this perception about some old movies and I was super pleasantly surprised with the acting was super good. The filming, the tension, the, the music. And from my research, it sounds like it changed the game and how they filmed these types of movies and built these antihero characters and did all this filming.
00:22:17
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It was a genuinely good movie that stacks up in 2025. Nice. nice And you're talking about the good, the bad, the ugly, or are you are you talking about um specifically the good, bad, and the ugly?
00:22:28
Speaker
Yeah. preference, best, best movie of the series. Yeah. The most well-known too, I'd say. Yeah. Yeah. For me, it was more just like a nostalgia factor and it wasn't really anything about understanding Clint Eastwood as a character or anything, but you you know, these movies being on daytime TV, for example, when you're home sick from school and seeing the the sounds and the, the, the camera work and like the the grainy film and everything, it just like, I think at the time,
00:22:59
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you don't appreciate them because of what you're seeing. You you're seeing all these Marvel films and CGI and all this shit. So it's like, as you get older, you appreciate history. And so as Jordan said, like it, you know, some of these films change the game and to think about that and like watch the film again and and be thinking about that while you're watching it is kind of cool.
00:23:21
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So I definitely enjoyed watching Fistful of Dollars. you know, the sounds and the the gunshots and how they like the the bullets ricochet and it makes that like classic noise. The audio was fucking terrible. I'll say that. but Pretty primitive. It's yeah, it's very primitive. Like it doesn't, you know, does the the audio doesn't follow the lips ah moving, for example. So it's like it is a little painful to watch, but it's also, like i said, nostalgic.
00:23:45
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Did this mean anything to you two months ago?
00:24:04
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Absolutely. I feel like I could musically quote the movie before I knew these movies. They were that. So you knew this pervasive. Absolutely. Absolutely. I knew, i knew that exact you know clip, yeah but I did not know it was from the good, the bad, the ugly. I just thought it was like a generic.
00:24:21
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recycled clip that was used in every Weston spaghetti Weston. Yep. um And the last thing I was going to ask you here before we move on is if you liked it and sound like you did, right? It didn't seem overly dated to you, or at least you absorbed it and got over that fact, right?
00:24:38
Speaker
100%. I got over that fact and I think I'm, as I'm getting older, I'm just, I'm, I guess more appreciative of the art of film itself over the, not necessarily quality or whatever, art and the history as well is, I think, important. Yeah, I think the storytelling. yeah It did change the game. The spaghetti Western and that anti-hero was kind of a thing. it They didn didn't didn't invent the anti-hero, but it was um one of the ones that elevated that,
Enemies and Tactics of the Man with No Name
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right?
00:25:02
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I don't want to spoil ah future episodes too much, but Quentin Tarantino, I feel like, takes a lot of his inspiration from these types of films. Yeah. And you you see that in his in his films. He he is quoted as saying that the good, the bad and the ugly is the best directed film of all time. That's that is. Wow. I didn't know that is out of Quentin Tarantino's mouth. That's incredible. You can see the inspiration in these movies. like The storytelling is so fucking good.
00:25:29
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Storytelling, the camera work, the the music for sure. He brings it into like the modern era. So I think you have to have that appreciation. going from, you know, if you love his films, then you have to go back and appreciate those films. Yeah.
00:25:51
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Let's talk about the man with no name, his battle resume, types of enemies. Okay. I mean, you know, this is kind of textbook, right? He's a cowboy, kind of an outlaw cowboy bounty hunter type. So you as you might imagine, he's killing bandits. He's killing outlaws, other bounty hunters, um like you know, these gunslinger types.
00:26:09
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Pretty standard fare for somebody in 1860 or whatever it was we said, right, to go around collecting bounties so he can make 200 bucks here or there. Likewise, we talked about Jax Teller.
00:26:23
Speaker
I think it's very easy to tell that there's no formal combat training for the man with no name here. He's not taking Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He's not taking Muay Thai. He has no real boxing skills or anything like that. So he also is a street fighter, ah rough and tumble guy that that probably learned his trade wresttleling wrestling cattle and things like that. Wrestling. Brasslin. Yeah.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, the fight scenes were fine for the time, but it's definitely one of those dated things where you look at it and the standard is so much higher now. You're not seeing those hokey fight scenes. And the punch that goes across the face and you can tell completely that it doesn't connect. Yeah.
00:27:05
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And the guy like, you know, all the very overly dramatic, like falls to the ground and stuff. It's, it's, it's pretty cool. funny. Pretty effective when you knock somebody out with one punch every time. But his preferred weapons. Now, I like to research this.
00:27:20
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I have no idea what they mean. But what I understand is he had a Colt 1851 revolver with a snake grip, custom snake grip. Also a Winchester rifle.
00:27:33
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Nice. Sounds fancy. And I like i like that... i ah He also used dynamite occasionally, which is pretty funny and apropos for that time. Coolest weapon, especially in good, the bad and the ugly where him and Tuco just go to the box with hand painted giant letters, just as explosives.
00:27:53
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I was just thinking that i was like, did he use the, did he use the wooden box with TNT printed on the side of red? Yeah, it was borderline like Acme TNT company. Some Looney Tunes. The Roadrunner bought the, brought it over.
00:28:08
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He's faced some tough, tough roughhouse type characters. The Rojo gang, the Baxter gang. We had Angel Eyes, who was a mercenary.
00:28:18
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who else a crazed bandit indio so there were some throughout those those movies that were also pretty pretty rough and tumble types i think that that's who hung around those those parts right seems to be very clever he like pits those those crews against each other and he definitely he himself is a one-man team seems and you know think he thinks for himself and he he yeah that's his m mo is he he is quite smart and cunning, sneaky.
Humorous Reviews and Iconic Scenes
00:28:46
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That's a great a great point because there are times where he has the two gangs and sets them up to face each other, so they kind of do some of his dirty work, right?
00:28:55
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um Yep. but yeahp That's kind of an interesting thing, yeah. It's like, how how would it play when it comes to facing Jax? Yep.
00:29:09
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Let's run the gauntlet. Hell yeah. Let's do it. It's run the gauntlet keyboard carnage. I've got two here, actually. Let's see. I don't know if you guys found any of these, but I, these are pretty good.
00:29:21
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This one's referring to the good, the bad and the ugly. The title promised me three people. I spent half the movie wondering which was which one star. I mean, if you watch the first 10 minutes, the movie, they're labeled, but all they're labeled. They are labeled.
00:29:35
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They're labeled. Also, I like this one. The movie is 90% ponchos, 10% gunshots, 100% masterpiece. Five stars. Yeah, we like that guy.
00:29:47
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yeah Poor gal.
00:29:50
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All right, they've gone too far. This is the segment where we determine if he should have been dead. I can think of one. Do you guys have any for this? I have one. It's not that he was in a situation where he should have died, but it was quite funny. He was going to look around one of the gang's hideouts or headquarters, and there's a man pacing outside the front door, obviously guarding whatever's inside.
00:30:16
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And he's, you know, Clint Eastwood is sneaking from pillar to pillar in this courtyard and the guy doesn't see him. Then Clint Eastwood starts like shooting at the guy's feet and it's making those like pew pew like those stupid like 60s fake gunshot audios.
00:30:34
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There's an awning above the guy or like a a swing door that like is held up by ropes and The guy's like dance, you know, he's doing this dance that, that cause he's getting shot at And Clint Eastwood looks at the rope that's holding up this like swing door.
00:30:51
Speaker
And he perfectly shoots both ropes, like without even having to shoot twice. And the door swings and hits the guard on the head. And then the guard like obviously passes out.
00:31:03
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That's right. And then he gets in and i was just it was just made me crack me up. So yeah, watch out Jack Teller. He's, he's a ace shooter, I guess. Yes. His marksmanship is something that will help determine this winner. And I'll tell you what, there's not, I'm just going to save this for later.
00:31:22
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An 1850s gun or whatever probably didn't shoot straight. It didn't matter. I thought that the the weaponry would would would get in the way here. It does
Iconic Items from the Dollar Trilogy
00:31:31
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not. It makes the old ass weaponry irrelevant because of this guy's sharpshooting ability.
00:31:37
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Yeah, he takes it into account. I was just going to bring up when Tuco made him walk through the desert. They took his hat away. He had no water. i don't know. it's It's questionable how long it was, but I mean, it might've been 24 or 36 hours.
00:31:52
Speaker
Okay, hold on. i I absolutely have one. So also with Tuco, when Tuco's first getting back to him, he knocks out those three dudes who are coming to his hotel room, room four. So he's in there and Tuco forces him to hang himself right there, right before he's about to hang himself.
00:32:09
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The building blows up from a freaking cannonball. They're coming under like artillery fire from the Union Army, blows the whole building up. Tuco drops the second floor and he looks up and you expect to see a Clint Eastwood like,
00:32:22
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you know, hanging on for dear life because the floor dropped out from under him and he's choking his ass off, but no, he's gone. The thing never even looks like it cinched down. It's like he disappeared like a goddamn ghost.
00:32:35
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He has mystical powers. Yeah, basically. All right. For your collection, anything specific to this character that you want? I couldn't get Toscano in time, but I,
00:32:48
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Definitely his cigar, his Toscano cigars. i I smoked one of those a few years ago. Those are like very like Kentucky fire smoke cured, very smoky ass cigars.
00:33:01
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I think I'd go for something very specific to the character, like his hat or I mean, obviously the poncho would look really nice next to my Jack's Teller vest.
00:33:13
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I was going to say poncho. I think that'd be a nice pair. Yeah. The poncho is so him, right? He has so many trademarks in this thing. He's like a professional wrestler where he's got all these gimmicks going on and they're all just perfect, man. The fucking cigar, the squint, the cowboy hat, the fucking poncho, the snake, but what would we say? The snake handle gun.
00:33:33
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I mean, this this guy is loaded. Yeah, that's really cool. Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. It's one of our favorites. uh he has some really good ones in these like you can't believe anybody would really say it but this is fucking outstanding
00:33:52
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it's three coffins ready hello huh
00:34:00
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Get three coffins ready, he says, before he even goes over there. And to to Chris's point earlier about the sound and everything, what an awesome delivery, an awesome line. And they step on it by having some sound effects over word over over it with the old coffin maker.
00:34:18
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Like, huh? Huh? Huh? It's like The Sims or something. It's like, what kind of a... They didn't even need You
Comparing Jax Teller and Man with No Name
00:34:26
Speaker
ruined it. Oh, man. And then he goes over and, of course, kills them all. He talks about his mule, was thought that they were making fun of him. The mule doesn't like that. The mule can't tell if they're joking. And he they need to apologize.
00:34:40
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They don't apologize to the mule or to him. And you know what happens next. And then on his way back, there's a callback, which is beautiful. My mistake, work often's.
00:34:57
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Four coffins, badass. Nice. The music is so good. The little, the the whistle, what is that? A pan flute? Something? i think the thing about the music too is like everything that we think is like, oh, hokey Western, oh, it's been done.
00:35:12
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feels like it's because they mimicked these movies. these These set the new standard that made everything else feel gimmicky after it. yeah Yeah. I will say these two feel like super similar characters, like people. just from different eras.
00:35:28
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Like if if you put the man with no name in modern era and he had bikes and biker gangs and the more modern guns at his disposal, he he would have become Jack's Teller maybe and vice versa.
00:35:43
Speaker
Instead of a mule, it would be a motorcycle. Instead of a poncho, it would be a leather vest. instead of a yeah Instead of a little cigar, it would be a cigarette. This is a great point.
00:35:54
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As I watch, as I'm reviewing these even more, I'm like, this these are way more similar than I thought. I thought this was a huge difference in styles and characters and everything. These guys are very, very similar.
00:36:05
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Yep. Jax has the team around him. though man Man with no name maybe a one-man show. ah But before we leave the quote section, we we can't go past my favorite quote from Good, Bad and the Ugly. At the end, they finally find where the grave is. They're ready to dig it up. Tuco's got a gun pointed at him.
00:36:23
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Blondie looks at him, says, you see, in this world, there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those loaded guns and those who dig. You dig. ah of course, that's an awesome one, man.
00:36:37
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it's It's badass. he's He's a huge piece of shit for pulling that move on Tuco. But the delivery, he's got incredible delivery to not just a great line, but he delivers that beautifully.
Strengths and Weaknesses Debate
00:36:49
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Did we pick the right character for Clint Eastwood? This is maybe the first one that we could really think about. Maybe there were another argument, right? I'm thinking Dirty Harry. Yeah, easily.
00:37:01
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The 44 Magnum. Yeah. I'm thinking Will Money. The problem with Will Money, he was rumored to be even more brutal and horrible, but we never saw it.
00:37:12
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It was all myth, right? We don't know. So there were definitely a couple others. I would say that either of those guys could be in, but I'm happy we went with with with the man with no name. i like I like the trilogy and I like the fact that we went way back.
00:37:26
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Go with the OG. Yep.
00:37:34
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um Let's get to some open discussion here because we got to start narrowing this down and try to find a winner here. Before we do that, I think it's a good time to have our fan pick of the week.
00:37:46
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A lot of our listeners will follow us on social media and we sneak preview the matchups before we record. So some people who are following our social media will actually know this matchup before, you know, weeks before it goes live.
00:37:59
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here's here's ah Here's a well thought out viewer, one of our favorite followers here. who picks the man with no name. And there's a direct quote here. Jax Teller has no brains, unquote. And that's from Kelly G 69 420. So thank you, Kelly. One of our favorite listeners.
00:38:18
Speaker
It's good insight. I appreciate that. And we'll see if she's right. I need some more details from Kelly G 69 420. I'd like to, I'd like her to elaborate a little bit more because she has some good takes. That wasn't her first good take, by the way, but the first one read here on the air.
00:38:34
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Let's talk about some favorite moments. and And as we do this, we're going to be trying to narrow things down and determine our winner here. Any favorite moments that you can think of from Man With No Name? I'm going to say Man With No Name, pretty much all of his standoffs, where three guys will look at him like he's absolutely nothing.
00:38:52
Speaker
He'll wait for them draw on him and then ah but but but bow just right out of his holster, nailing every single person. This guy is borderline superhuman. It's It's not quite to the same degree as like machete, but it's it's more similar to that than some of the realism so of some of the other movies. so Like someone twitches their muscle at him and then he's got three dudes down with his revolver who are all like 30, 40 yards away. It's pretty nuts.
00:39:19
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Yeah, his accuracy and his quickness is and unbelievable. And then you think that that's it, right? He's a finesse guy, right? He's he's accurate. He's faster than anybody. He's a finesse guy. But then he pulls off this beastly move. he's He's got the Rojo and he's goading him. He's saying, shoot me, shoot me, shoot me. Rojo shoots Clint in the chest.
00:39:40
Speaker
Falls down and then he gets back up and Rojo's like bewildered. there ah The whole gang is like, what the hell's happening here? He just stood up. He goes, you got to hit me in the heart. He shoots him again in the chest and he falls down again and he gets back up and he does this like six times.
00:39:54
Speaker
And they're like, what's going on here? This is a fucking zombie. And then finally he gets up, he takes his poncho off and he's wearing like a harness, like a stardom. thick steel flat piece of metal that's absorbing most of the blow so he's not dead obviously so then he fires a straight clint gets up fires a stray shot frees a dude who's tied up he shoots the rope again and and and frees a guy so he gets himself out of that but absolutely beastly move that kind of changed my opinion a little bit that he was just a finesse guy
00:40:25
Speaker
Let's switch to to Jack's because we've been talking a lot about a man with no name here in a row. But let's not forget, this is a formidable guy, major killer. What kind of badass moments are you thinking of for this guy?
00:40:37
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He beat the shit out of Clay a couple of times, multiple times, right? yeah He did. and But I feel like it was less of the internal struggles and more of all the other badass fighting he's done with other people.
00:40:49
Speaker
I mean, what sets Jax apart from so many of these characters is that he's had so much trauma in his life. He is an absolute brutal animal. Like when he's going after, um I forget his name, in the Chinese crime family, after his mom, who killed his wife, frames the Chinese, and he's just absolutely torturing this guy to death.
00:41:09
Speaker
And you have all these other scenes like that where Jax is brutal. ah In terms of, gosh, in terms of tough and iconic scenes, there's him having to watch... Him having to watch his best friend, Opie, murdered in front of him with a pipe in the prison, like that was hard.
00:41:26
Speaker
yeah Him having to go with his gang after Damon Pope after that happened. But for for actual toughest opponent of the whole series, this is less leaning into him as a fighter, but his goddamn mother.
00:41:40
Speaker
ah It's hard to talk about... Sons of Anarchy without talking about how fucked up Gemma was for the entire series. Like she caused so much more suffering, turf wars, battles, people in the gang being killed, killing his wife, and then ultimately making him kill her to like. yeah Who else did that? That's, that's some emotional torture right there.
00:42:03
Speaker
Why does there always seem to be someone like that in it, in, you know, more modern TV series that you just absolutely hate and it really gets you going like while you're watching it. But then when you think back, you're like, they were a really good actor. Like they were perfect that role. And like, which mother slash wife character do we hate more this one or Rita from Dexter?
00:42:27
Speaker
Definitely this one. Not even close. Okay. I think it's closer than you think. i was I was going to say ah Tony Soprano's mom from the Sopranos. Oh, God. We'll get to her later. pretty She's excruciating.
00:42:42
Speaker
Now, hey, listen, another thing that we have to determine is resilience, right? Have they ever had a close call? Do you recall Jax getting his ass kicked? That might be an indication of him being vulnerable in the in this tournament.
00:42:56
Speaker
No, but only because he's been beaten almost to death so many times and he just seems to come out of it in the next episode or later in the show with a couple bruises.
00:43:07
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Like that this is someone who can go to the edge of death repeatedly per season. Yeah. Yeah. The reason I asked that is because we see with no name get beat up pretty good. Probably broke some ribs.
00:43:18
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ah The Rojo gang beat him up pretty badly. Broke his shooting shooting hand. They stepped on his hand, kind of left him for dead in a burning building. So the fact that he can get beaten up, we got to consider that in this because not only are you on offense, but you're on defense.
00:43:41
Speaker
Let's talk about X-Factors. What makes these guys dangerous? This is tournament related. Give me some strengths that would help these guys win not only this round in the tournament, but maybe the next couple rounds.
Match-up Verdict: Man with No Name Triumphs
00:43:55
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I was actually just going to ask, are we taking into account previous matchups? Like, you know, with any sports playoffs, you as you go on in the tournament, you you have played previous games. Like, are we going to...
00:44:12
Speaker
Refer back to, you know, when we have Dexter on it again, or when we have ah Christian Wolff on again, are we going to say like, man, his matchup against Machete, for example, probably, you know,
00:44:23
Speaker
sets him back a little bit as know, is that some continuation there? There will be no fatigue. They'll be back to a hundred percent for the fight, but we can use strength of schedule in their advantage. So if they beat three guys that are killers, absolute monsters, then you could use that to your, you know, in the, in your argument too, but they'll, they'll be fully healthy.
00:44:44
Speaker
I saying in regards to that point, uh, resiliency, I think one could, you know, knock the other down, for example, But he gets right back up, then you know Clint knocks Jax down and Jax gets right back up. So I feel like this is ah this is a real brawl. um you know One of those types of fights that no defense whatsoever, they're just like you know swinging back and forth and there's a lot of knockdowns and guys getting back up, a lot lot of tense moments. yeah yeah
00:45:16
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Do we agree that Jax is more, in a way, more aggressive and offensive minded and ruthless that way? 100%. Like the guy who's going to kick the door down and not stop?
00:45:27
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Like we know Clint's MO is. He might come through the swinging door, but he'll stand there and stare you down for a few minutes and whisper a few vague threats. He's definitely more reactive yeah than aggressive. Yep.
00:45:40
Speaker
Yeah, he's definitely not a planner as Kelly for 2069 mentioned, but he is absolutely when he gets in the moment, he is there to put the hurt on. Yeah, man with no name, ah super calm under pressure. i feel like that's pretty common in this tournament. I think we're going to say that a lot um is is calm under pressure.
00:46:00
Speaker
Now, let's talk about his strengths. I think he's the fastest trigger man in this entire tournament. When you team that with his precision, that seems like he never misses.
00:46:11
Speaker
That is a major, major advantage for him. Fully agreed. I, we have some great shooters in this tournament, but I can't think of anyone who has asked quick on target. Yeah. Him.
00:46:22
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Yep.
00:46:30
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So let's, should we talk about their path to victory? Each of them could win this. I feel like it's close enough that that this is not a a one versus 16 seed. Like you see in March Madness, this is an eight, nine type matchup, I think.
00:46:44
Speaker
They both have a path to victory. So let's talk about that. We talked about Jacks. he's more of a charger, right? He's going to be more of an offensive, brutal type attack dog. um And I think that he would want to charge charge in and and turn this sloppy, turn it into ah ah kind of a messy, get inside the range of the pistol and all that stuff. That's how I think he he's going to win. And then he'll use whatever he can to win this fight, right? Any kind of weapons that he finds, a table leg or anything, right?
00:47:12
Speaker
And do we think that a man with no name is almost too laid back and would get caught off guard? Well, I think we have to consider that. Yeah. I mean, you see those scenes where someone is standing right next to him and walks up and you hear the cocking of the hammer, almost like he didn't notice them.
00:47:28
Speaker
That's one of the crazy things that man with no name is how nonchalant he is about all of these battles. Yeah. I'll just take out six dudes and then act like he's reading the newspaper immediately after that.
00:47:39
Speaker
Could man with no name beat machete? Yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that factor that you talked about in the machete episode, Jordan, with the the plot, what what was it?
00:47:50
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yeah Plot armor. on inside Plot armor, yeah. I think Man With No Name certainly has some of that. Definitely. I mean, I think the path to victory here, Jax, we're talking about Jax Teller without the Suns.
00:48:03
Speaker
So that that's one of his biggest strengths is the ah closest and how everyone will do anything for for their brothers there. So pulling him just apart, he's been very brutal, but to have him without the support of his gang, that's going to be tough.
00:48:17
Speaker
We're going to see Jax... Probably the more fit, more hand-to-hand combat, man with no name, unquestionably the better gun handler here. So that that's a tough one here. I think they're going to have to find a way to play to their strengths.
00:48:30
Speaker
With Jax, maybe it's taking man with no name by surprise. Man with no name, it's having some kind of ego-driven standoff where he's chatting it down with Jax Teller and Jax finally gets pissed off enough to go for his gun and he takes him out.
00:48:46
Speaker
ah Yeah, so that's a that's a great scenario. So I'm thinking this too, man with no name. He's going to be definitely more patient. If Jax charges in, that's not playing into his game. But if if they if there's a square off type thing, then that's to his to man with no name's advantage, I think. Almost like...
00:49:05
Speaker
step into my web said the spider to the fly. Right. So we're talking about an abandoned dusty ass street, um, or maybe in a, in a saloon where there's just a bartender polishing like a glass with a towel and nobody else is in there. Everybody else clears out the back.
00:49:22
Speaker
That's that's shine spit shine. Yeah. That that's more of what of what's going to happen here. Right. If, if, Man with no name has his choice and then kind of wait for that strike. If they could square off and then if he waits for that strike, I think that's his path to victory because you know that Jax is going to strike.
00:49:40
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But Clint could, would would have, in order for him to win, the Clint character would have to be, see that coming and then react to it.
00:49:50
Speaker
Now it's time settle the score.
00:50:02
Speaker
We're at that time, guys. We have to start picking a winner here. I asked you beforehand, who did who did you think was going to win? When I started, I thought Jax Teller would win. um Jordan, you thought... Jax Teller.
00:50:15
Speaker
Oh, you thought Jax Teller as well? And Chris? I was man with name. You were man with no name. Okay, great. Perfect. So let's see if any of this changed. We all dove into these pretty good. So let's see. Who wants to go first?
00:50:26
Speaker
So who's my take who I think is going to win going into this? Obviously, I thought Jax Teller as the more brutal of the two, having not seen all those movies before. Now, after having watched them, I'm going to say hand to hand combat.
00:50:41
Speaker
Jax Teller is going to take it knife on knife combat. Jax Teller is going to take it. Then again, Clint Eastwood, a man with no name here, isn't totally incompetent. I know it looks hokey back then, but compared to the people he's fighting, he's still doing a pretty good job. He's serving it all to them.
00:50:57
Speaker
When it comes to gun handling, there's no question. You know, jack Jack's Teller is all right, but man with no name is an absolute ace. And I think when it comes to hand to hand, both of them being pretty good, but gun handling, the fact that both of them lean pretty heavily on guns and man with no name is borderline supernatural.
00:51:15
Speaker
Clint Eastwood has to take it for me. I think he's pretty next level. Good take. yeah As you know, I was leaning... man with no name, I certainly relate to that old man energy.
00:51:27
Speaker
My knees are starting to go and my eyesight isn't as good as it once was, but having that experience and that old man strength, I i really that. He's in his mid thirties. Let's repeat that. He's in his mid thirties at this point.
00:51:40
Speaker
Yeah. I'm in my mid thirties. Man with no name is in his mid thirties. um I'm an old soul, but yeah, I think, um I think that is a huge factor.
00:51:51
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ah Experience. And I think his experience also like plays into his calmness as well in certain situations. Like he's been through this before. He can feel out what, you know, might happen.
00:52:03
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You see this time and time again is that, you know, the old bull, especially in UFC and boxing fights, perhaps goes a little too long. And I think maybe man with no name has been through one too many fights and and one too many standoffs.
00:52:18
Speaker
And I think he could even be called a little too arrogant and perhaps a that could be his downfall. And I think with that, Jax would maybe catch him off guard.
00:52:31
Speaker
and taking that plus the fact that Jax in their respective films or TV series, they're roughly the same age, but Jax feels younger. He feels more fit. um I do feel that he, he takes this one.
00:52:45
Speaker
Great take. It's, it's one to one it's tied and interesting. Both of you switched. I haven't gone last before, but this is interesting because I actually get to break this tie.
00:52:57
Speaker
I have very strong feelings of this here. What I think is going to happen We're in an old type West Western town. Right. And, and why am I giving the Clint Eastwood character home field advantage? I don't know, but I'm envisioning this matchup in a dusty ass town with the the saloon doors that go like this.
00:53:16
Speaker
You walk into this saloon and there's some fat bartender cleaning out the glass really good with the towel and everything. And Clint walks in and the guy's like, oh, we have some trouble here.
00:53:28
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And if Jax Teller charges and makes this into a brawl, a mayhem type scenario, just complete chaos, Jax Teller is going to win this thing.
00:53:40
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But what I think is going to happen is the Clint Eastwood character is going to engage just like he does with ah with the squinty eyes and the cigar, and he's going to draw attention to himself in that way.
00:53:52
Speaker
Jax Teller is going to have to react, and he's gonna and and as soon as they look at each other, it's like, uh-oh, What happens if he makes a move, it could be over. And I think that that's it.
00:54:05
Speaker
My biggest hang up with Jax Teller, the person who I thought was going to win before I started researching, is that I don't think he does anything. I don't think he has any extraordinary skill.
00:54:16
Speaker
And like I said before, man with no name, he might have the quickest trigger finger in the entire tournament and very possibly the most accurate um shooting ability in the entire tournament.
00:54:28
Speaker
So when Teller charges, we have a quick draw and it's over. He's going to shoot him in the head. He does not
Teaser: Man with No Name vs. John Rambo
00:54:36
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miss. He only needs one shot. Even with that 1850 revolver, this one's over.
00:54:41
Speaker
I would take the man with no name, the guy who does something extraordinarily. I think you nailed it, Steve. I think you nailed it Nice, nice. It was hard to not be swayed by what is my favorite you know TV series slash movie out of the two.
00:54:56
Speaker
yeah It's going to be Sons of Anarchy. I wanted him to win, but you look at the facts, like you said, it's going to man with no name. this was This was a great show, guys, because of all three of us had strong opinions at the beginning.
00:55:10
Speaker
All three of us did our homework, we did our research, and all three of us convinced ourselves that we were wrong, which is not an easy thing to do. Guys, I know who Mammoth No Name has to go up against next. Do we want to spoil this?
00:55:25
Speaker
Let's give them a taste. We've been blue balling the fans for too long. Okay. Okay. Man with no name advances to the, to the next round of the tournament and has the privilege of meeting someone who got a buy. i will say that he will be meeting John Rambo in the second round.
00:55:45
Speaker
Good luck. Good luck. That's an absolute monster right there. Nice. Nice. I don't care who it is. I would not want to be against Rambo. No, that's about the last guy I'd want to go against. I think.
00:55:56
Speaker
But hey, we all we all changed our mind. Maybe we'll change our mind. Maybe the man with no name can beat Rambo. All right, guys, we did another great one. This is a cool one. I can't wait for next week. We're going to record again. And episode four coming soon. Keep an eye on our ah social media because we're going to announce all these before they go live.
00:56:14
Speaker
See y'all. Peace.