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Ray Donovan vs Chance Boudreaux -- Pants Grenades & Baseball Bats
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One is Hollywood’s most effective fixer, powered by bats, glares, and intense mild annoyance. The other is a mullet-sporting Vietnam vet from Hard Target, played by Jean-Claude Van Damme, who punches snakes and treats explosions like punctuation. We break down Donovan’s home-run power, Chance’s confidence, and what happens when grit runs headfirst into pure 90s action-movie chaos.
Tune in now: this episode is a certified pants grenade.
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Introduction to the Fictional Fighting Championship
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This is the fictional fighting championship podcast, the ultimate battleground where Hollywood's deadliest warriors collide. We're a taking 48 of the most ruthless, skilled, and battle-hardened fighters from movies and TV and throwing them into a no-holds-barred tournament to see who survives.
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You've seen the movies, you know the legends. Now it's time to settle the score.
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Now take your big stick and your boyfriend and find the best to catch.
Meet the Hosts
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I'm Christian Doherty. I'm Willa Gilligan. And I'm Steve Sadler. And this is a podcast about the greatest fictional tournament in the history of the universe. And that is not an exaggeration.
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Chris, who do we have this week? What's up, guys?
Matchup: Chance Boudreaux vs. Ray Donovan
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This week, we have the Cajun ex-military Chance Boudreaux, played by Jean-Claude Van Damme, versus the ex-mobster fixer Ray Donovan.
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From Boston, played by Liev Schreiber. um I'm excited to get into it. Nice. This is a fun one because I've actually heard that several people haven't don't
Guest Host Appearance
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know these characters. So I think that's great.
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Interesting, yeah So before we start, though, I think we should introduce someone else. We have a ah guest sitting in here. You might realize that Jordan is not on today. His wife's about to give birth, so he's got all kinds of shit going on, not to mention the holidays. So we have Will Gilligan sitting in. Will, how's it going?
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Hey, how's it going? Now, you might want to just tell everyone if you have been lurking in the background, listening to the podcast, just a little bit about some of your credentials.
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Yeah, sure. So I am an avid fictional fighting podcast listener. So I've listened to every ah every podcast to date. I'm ah well versed in ah hearing these different people fight it out. Glad to
Influence on Tournament Structure
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be here and give my perspective on Shantz versus ray Donovan. Yes. And Will actually contributed to to the whole podcast without really knowing it. he um He did a video comment on Hannibal Lecter against Dexter. and episode Episode one. Episode one. Yes, it was. But he he he impacted the entire tournament because he came up with, maybe inadvertently, but he came up with how do these guys know who they're fighting? And the answer is they get an envelope with that person's name in it. It's not like they're thrown into an arena. So, Yeah, Will, you made a lasting impression just with that little comment right there. That's awesome. It's great to hear that because that's ah that's super interesting and it it might actually influence the way I answer some of the things we talk about today. Excellent. So yeah, let's
Van Damme's Cajun Accent - Critique
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let's get into it. Nice. i got I got to ask you, Steve, how does how does him being Cajun play into the movie at all?
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I'll be honest. I just watched this movie for the first time. It did not register to me that he was Cajun at all through the entire movie. I even Googled it. I'm like, wait, is that his regular accent? Or is he supposed to be from New Orleans? And it said, no, no, that's a terrible New Orleans Asian accent. And it's like one of the talking points of that whole movie. So, yeah. i thought they were just try and like I thought they were just trying to cover up his the reason he had a French accent. Like why did he, why does he have a French accent? that would be if He's Belgian. Yeah. That makes more sense to me that. Yeah. Cause I was like, this is not a freaking Cajun accent, but they're like, well, we're just going over, you know, how can we justify this? That makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So the guy already has a kind of a cool notice, you know, a signature accent. Why are we trying to give him another one that he's not good at doing? I don't know. this is Welcome to the 80s. And this was actually in the 90s, but I feel like it's still part of the 80s. It didn't feel like a 90s movie as I was watching. This is 80s coded. But it's like 93, 92.
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ninety three ninety two So I think it just came as like a byproduct of the 80s, but it's in the 90s. It felt like a leftover from the 80s. And the perfect example, and I'm sure we're talk about this, is his incredible insane mullet, which is 100% 80s. I think he's so good.
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My favorite character attribute...
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Yes. He gets a 10 out of 10 for the mullet. Chris, I'm sure, is going to be talking about that soon. Oh, yeah. We'll get into that. Yeah. Well, before we do the tale of the tape, I just want to tell everyone um we've had this.
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Listener Engagement
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I want to hear what anybody has to say. And yeah, this is my, again, this is my my biggest hope is that people get engaged with this. And that's why this is the first time we're sharing this. We're only like fucking 15 episodes into this thing. And I'm just now sharing the email address. So let us know.
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Now, how about the tail the tape? First contestant is Chance Boudreaux. He debuted in 1993 in Hard Target, portrayed by Jean-Claude Van Damme, as we've said.
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His fight stats. He's about 5'9", about 185 pounds, and he was in his early 30s at about that time. His home turf. He's fighting out of the bayous of New Orleans, Louisiana.
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And his signature move might be, i don't know, what do you think? It might be a spinning heel kick and and a slow-mo hair flip, right? 100%. hundred percent We had Chuck Norris and we wished that his signature move was the ah the spinning back kick or or one of those spinning head kick. But I think it's true for this guy. He did it many times. Definitely is it Yeah. I don't know if i saw him use his fists. We had Ip Man last episode and I said, you know, you don't want to mess with these hands for Chance Boudreaux. You don't want to mess with these feet. it's It's so interesting to see somebody who leads with a kick too, because even while watching the movie, I'm like, that can't be the most effective way to it's to hit somebody there, but it worked, you know? it like Yeah. So you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. Taekwondo is big in MMA and UFC. kicks are really, really ah surprising and it quite and important. That's the whole appeal there, right? It sends a message, right? Because if you're to get in a fight, just a random fight on the street against somebody, and he kicks you in the head they're like within two seconds, something just some crazy just happened. yeah's some if you have it Have you ever tried to get your foot up that high? Because I know I can't do it. That's why I'm so enamored by it. is I can't do it. So to see like that happen like in in in in a scene, it's like, whoa, this That's something I didn't consider there.
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I think the first thing we see him do, not to get into the weeds too much here, but he, yeah, roundhouse kick trips a guy off the hood of the car. um And I remember being shocked by that. Save that. Yeah, save that one. That was the thing that he did.
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yeah Yeah. That's an awesome one. You know what? Jordan's not here. He's probably happy about that because he gets to skip the kill count. i don't know I don't know if we prepped Will on this. You know we do the kill count, and Chris is always winning this category, so let's see what happens. Chance Boudreaux, kill count. We only have one movie, so it shouldn't be too hard. You probably could have counted, but I hope you didn't look it up, but let's hear it.
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Yeah, I didn't hear the kill count. So my guess, I would say in the movie, there was at least 15 20 kills. I would guess because he's a Vietnam vet, it's got to be at least a little higher. And like, I'm not totally confident in my 20 guess. So I'm going to say 25. That's my my conservative
Chance Boudreaux's Kill Count
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guess there. 25. Okay. 25.
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twenty five I'd say that's a good guess. I'm afraid to prices right you here because it's not fair. It's your first it's your first time. jordan And Jordan hates when I do that. Based on the final battle scene at the end where just absolutely everything is exploding and there's bodies flying everywhere, it's a little higher than 25 and I'll 35.
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thirty five 35. But it can't be that much more because one film. Well, we know after so many episodes, anything over 35 is a lot for a one movie type character. Yeah.
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Okay. Both good guesses. The best estimated kill count I could find? 24. Hey! twenty four hey Nice. That might be the closest anyone's ever got, Will, to like the exact number. because I don't think anyone's ever hit the exact number.
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Will is undefeated in this. Did you guys know there's a Hard Target 2 that came out in 2016? In 2016? I did see that. It was a completely different ah main character, I think, or main actor.
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In my research, I saw there was a Hard Target 2, but it didn't seem relevant, so I just kind of omitted it It's not. Although it sounds awesome because it's, we we talked about this on our mini episode a couple weeks ago, but it really leaned into that. Guess what? You're being hunted ah genre that I love so much. So yes, that's what this one leads.
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That's the whole hard target one, right? is It's like you're being hunted by the hunters, but there's a better hunter hunting the hunters. That's exactly right. That's the whole thing, right? That's it good.
Chance Boudreaux's Stats and Background
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All right. Tale the tape for Ray Donovan. Ray Donovan debuted in 2013. And of course the Ray Donovan series on Showtime portrayed by Liev Schreiber, his fight stats. He's about six to two 15 and in his early forties. So a little bit older than, than Boudreaux.
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His home turf, he's fighting out of Southie, South Boston, by way of Calabasas, California. And his signature move, I don't know, maybe a punch to the face and then bash your head into the wall, something like that. He's pretty down and dirty. Yeah, baseball bat. yeah Intimidation tactic. Totally. His vibe check. I'd say he's a Hollywood fixer, but he also likes to break things. So I'd kind of say that. And Ray
Ray Donovan's Kill Count
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Donovan's kill count.
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Guys, I got to tell you, this was impossible. One reason that I can't find the answer to this is confusion. Apparently there's a Ray Donovan character in the Criminal Minds universe, and he was also racking up kills. He's like a serial killer, like Dexter or something. So I'm not familiar with that. Are you saying it's supposed to be the same person? Different character. But whenever you look it up, I mean, maybe this is something that our listeners can help us out with this. If there's super Ray Donovan fans from the series, I'd love to know. Even GPT told me, oh, I don't know. We don't know because there's confusion because there's another Ray Donovan that's killing people left and right. wait i want to at least give it like give idea here okay so i've been i've been you doing a little research seeing like who's been confirmed on camera kill from ray donovan it seems around like 12 or 13 but that doesn't seem to fully respect the gamut of like what he's done and so we what we've seen on on film is around like 13 kills And that might not be totally accurate, but from my research, it's around 13 kills. Okay. More than that, it seems like when people see him, they recognize. If he says, I'm Ray Donovan, holy shit, you're Ray Donovan. He has a name. Yep. And if you have a name, you probably have more than 13 kills. So that's, that's what's throwing me off a bit. Cause I would be like, oh, he's fine. He's in like the mid teens. But like, if people are recognizing you on the, like, like if you say your name and like other people in the industry know you, you're probably higher than 13 kills. I mean, the series kicks off in California, but he has a whole history of being involved with the mob back in Boston. So what's to say that there's not some implied kills from his time with the mob in Boston? Right. But I think that, you know, 13, 14 makes sense, I would say, from watching, you know, at least half of the series for myself.
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Yeah. two two kills per season, because he's not really in the business of like going around killing people. It seems like a lot of the time yeah in this in the each of the seasons, um a lot of these are like accidental. He's kind of forced to do it. He's not like seeking it out.
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Let's do some character breakdowns here. We'll start with Chance Boudreaux.
Chance Boudreaux's Combat Skills
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His battle resume. He's an ex-US Special Forces turned freelance hunter of the criminal underworld. He's kind of a one-man army with that Cajun background. He's got deadly reflexes. He's got a knack for turning any environment into a death trap.
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His character time period, I'd say it was pretty contemporary. So when this came out in the early 90s, we can assume that that's when this was taking place. And his background, his skill set, again, Marine Force recon, and he looks like he's trained in guerrilla tactics. He won a silver star medal, which is one of the highest military decorations in valor. And it also I also learned that he was awarded for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States, quote unquote. And it also seems like he's he's totally experienced in both urban and swamp type environments, as we as we learned here in the bayous of New Orleans.
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What he got for preferred weapons? His feet. Yeah. Hell yeah. His feet, yeah. But he also loves explosions. The feet, explosions. yeah Motorcycles. Yeah. motorcycle Yeah, anything. Surfing on that motorcycle.
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my God. Toward the car and then flipping over the car and then spinning, shooting the motorcycle blow the car up. Let's talk about that when we talk about awesome scenes. That's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. So when I was thinking back about this, about this fight, the resourcefulness between, you know, with, with Shantz, the ability to take a motorcycle and use it as an explosive unparalleled. You can't, you can't, you can't beat that. He turned, he turned the vehicle into the bomb.
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Yeah. it's like, Oh no, he doesn't have any explosives. Yes, he does. He's riding on it. Right. ah you know, a sampling of his opponents. So we saw like an, an entire mercenary team kind of a thing. We saw street thugs, hunters, which.
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This is the main conflict I've had with this, this pairing is like Shantz was versing hunters who hunt humans for fun, for sport. And he was able to completely obliterate them. yeah Like you can't compete with that. It doesn't matter who you are, what you're doing. Like If you're able to beat somebody who is effortlessly able to like destroy hunters who are hunting humans for sport, for fun, it speaks for itself. And like, like yeah Ray Donovan, serious character, grounded, everything in his reality is gritty. It's, it's emotional. It's raw.
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But if you're versing somebody who like the way that they approach the screen is like, I'm going to destroy what's ever in front my path. That's shots Bordeaux, however you say it. Like,
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Yeah, it comes back to strength of schedule that Steve has always talked about. And I've always mentioned it now from for you know almost every episode, it feels like. But seeing the characters that we have in the tournament and who they go up against is very important for arguing who is going to continue and who is going to beat who. And Chance definitely seems to have the resume of the harder opponents compared to Ray Darlman.
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Yep. And is that going to be enough? I don't know. We'll find out. When you have a character who makes the impossible possible, it's very hard to have a scenario that disrupts that. So like that's that's what I see when when like looking at these two compete. It's like it's not even like it's it's two different realities converging in it in ah ah space that one of them like has to succeed.
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And if we're talking about like aura, if we're talking about like like presence in the scene... like shots is going to overpower and like that's just where it comes down to for me from like seeing these two come to head to head yeah yeah it it goes back to the age-old point about plot armor and uh we've seen that with machete uh i think uh right chance boudreaux has a very
Ray Donovan's Strategy
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similar plot armor to machete a lot of explosions a lot of flipping and do dodging bullets and obviously like we have to be tactful in how we like integrate plot honor ah into it chance has more like aura he has more presence so like in that scene like he's he's gonna find a way to overpower the the scene i will say though that ray donovan i think
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lulls us into a false sense of security. He's very brooding and quiet and cunning. So, you know, don't let don't let him ah Yeah. be too much of a sleeper here because yeah he could surprise you. Right. And I'll say this too about Donovan without digging in too deep here because we'll save it for a few minutes later.
00:17:51
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Ray Donovan's kill count could be way higher, but there's a lot of instances where he sends a message before he kills somebody. And if they get the message, they walk free, but they'll never do it again. So that's one thing and in favor of ray Ray Donovan too that we have to consider is that, yeah, how many has he killed? But also how many could he have killed?
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how about if we run the gauntlet? Let's get into it. Will's first gauntlet run. Yeah, it's very exciting for him. Oh man. So we're running the gauntlet for Chance Boudreaux. Do either of you have anything for keyboard carnage? Funny user reviews.
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I do have one. Here's one from a user. Between the villain's total lack of discretion and Van Damme's insane Cajun accent, we encounter something baffling or nonsensical roughly every three minutes. I'd say that's accurate. Yeah, yeah.
00:18:49
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yeah Yeah, nonsensical really yeah hits home for me, and I'll get into that in the They've Gone Too Far segment. Anything for you, Will? Every time I hear the word, like, like Cation, it tickles me because it it doesn't, it doesn't sound like he's a Cation, he's a Cation American. Yeah. it so It's, I'm sorry. It just doesn't, didn't work.
00:19:11
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And like, because nobody noted knows really even what a Belgian accent is. Well, to be honest, I mean, like, I can, I can, I can infer, i can guess what a Cation accent sounds like.
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but I'm not hearing it in Sean's Brudeau's like voice. I don't know. That's kind of where I'm fixated on right now. and i yeah know then let's let's say that Let's say that we already jumped into the They've Gone Too Far segment and the entire movie with his accent is is going too far. um So there's that for sure. ah Steve, do you have any ah any others?
00:19:44
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They've gone too far. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There was one scene where chance basically shoves the girl, Nat, the love interest shoves her off a bridge. And then he follows. They didn't look, they didn't plan anything, but all they did, they jumped off this bridge and they landed on a moving freight train in case you were wondering whether or not they made it They landed on the only car of that freight train that was made of feathers or pillows or something. Empty cardboard boxes. Yes, yes. I did think that was very convenient.
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One ah scene that I thought that they went too far, completely nonsensical, was when they were towards the end of the film running away from the hunters through the bayou in the forest. And Chance looks at his girlfriend and says, suddenly he says, stop.
00:20:33
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and then pushes her out of the way. He's doing a lot of pushing of his girlfriend to help her out here, but he grabs a snake from out of nowhere that was apparently about to bite her.
00:20:44
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You know, that being sort of a little ah unrealistic in itself. He is holding the snake and then decides to punch the snake directly in the face to knock it out. So he he knocks out a snake. And then he leaves it behind as a trap. So i just incredible. I've got something on that later too. So yeah, absolutely. Incredible.
00:21:05
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Very, very funny. It sounds like, it sounds like flawless cinema to me. i don't know. yeah For your collection, any cool pieces from the film that you would like to have up on a mantle somewhere in your home?
00:21:21
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I saw one that would be kind of cool. We didn't mention Lance Henriksen yet. He's the villain. He plays Emil Fouchon. First of all, absolute legendary 80s villain.
00:21:33
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I recognized him immediately. Yeah, exactly. you You recognize his face, of course. yeah here he actually He was actually a really good actor. He acted really well in that, I feel like. Yeah, he is. Even though it was kind of a cheesy 80s movie, yeah the early 90s movie, he was still very good.
00:21:48
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Well, here's here's a hilarious sampling of generic action movies that this guy was a villain And I'm assuming he was the villain. i can't imagine him being the hero in any of these. So let's just say he was the villain in all these. But you don't even have to know these movies. Listen to the names.
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Streets of Justice, Jagged Edge, Savage Dawn, Choke Canyon, Deadly Intent, Survival Quest, The Hit List, Stone Cold, Delta Heat, Excessive Force, and No Escape.
00:22:21
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These all sound like code names for like crazy totally missions and... Far away countries. We're getting way off track here. Lance Henriksen also been in five different universes that we're covering in this tournament.
00:22:35
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Nice. So yeah, we know he's in Hard Target. He's also in the Alien universe. He was in the Predator universe. He's in the Terminator universe. And he is in the Hannibal Lecter universe. He was on the TV show for one episode.
00:22:50
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So that's five. That's pretty darn good. yeah So why did why did you mention him? you Were you going to pick something? Why did I mention him? Yes, we're talking we're still in the gauntlet here, um and we got off track. But he at one point, he had like a gun, like ah one of those long pistols. like I don't even know what they are. I think it's a hunting pistol.
00:23:07
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Is it a hunting pistol? It's long, a long ass thing, like wild Bill Hickok might carry it or something. So I've been, I've been playing the last of us and one of the guns you pick up in the game is a hunting pistol, which I had never heard of before until playing the game. And then I, Is there a name for it?
00:23:25
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I think it's hunting pistol, but I'm sure there's a different brands or companies that make them. But, um, the thing. absolutely kicks ass. It's so powerful. It's crazy. It's I think it's basically like a rifle that is a handgun. Like a magnet in a way. Kind of. Yeah. i don't know. Jordan. We need Jordan for this. but We need Jordan here for that. Yeah. Cause had kind of a cool curved ivory handle and everything on it too. yeah But anyway, I thought it was cool looking. so yeah you' to Yeah, I wish i wish Van Damme used it, but he didn't. so But I'll still take that and set it up on my ah my mantle.
00:23:59
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Nice, love it. I think like the kicks. Yeah. Can't really take them. i don't know how to take them, but I would. Let's move on to the yippee-ki-yay motherfucker segment. Any one-liners from Hard Target?
00:24:13
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I did like when one of the first scenes, when these street thugs are kind of roughing up Nat and like right in broad daylight, which is pretty bold, but they're roughing her up but they're going to steal her purse. Who knows what they're going to do, right? And he just slowly stands in the background and says, are you having fun?
00:24:29
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Which was, I thought, pretty hilarious. And then he goes and kicks their asses. It's also another good one towards the end. He says to Hendrickson, well, you know what? Let's just play it.
00:24:46
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And then he drops a grenade in his pants. ah That's a mic drop on steroids. It is. That's like the the cru like the crux of the whole movie, right? Yeah, exactly. That's that's ah that's the the big bad, the big enemy being ended by a grenade in his pants.
00:25:08
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So I don't have anything in particular for user comments, but looking on the IMDB, DB website, it does have, uh, some genres listed for hard target, uh, those genres being dark comedy.
00:25:24
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And one that made me laugh in particular gun food, gun food, Kung Fu and guns. And yeah you know I think there's a lot of movies called that too.
00:25:36
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Nice. yeah Yeah. I haven't heard that before. I thought that was funny. Pretty good. I have a fun fact for you guys. you You know the movie Predator, right? With Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yes. Jean-Claude Van Damme was the original Predator. ne Wait, oh what do you mean by that? He was the original Arnold in that? or The Predator.
00:25:55
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no yeah No, no, yes no. he was He was the alien. he was the He was the Predator. He was the alien. No way. He got re that would have been great. Well, so apparently not because he was in the costume. The costume was very hot and restrictive. And I heard e he was complaining that it was too hot. He also, he got replaced basically after filming part of it. So they, this was like, he actually was in this. They were committed they were committed to it. I heard he was difficult to work with and he kept wanting the predator to do martial arts, which is hilarious. So like an alien coming in doing, doing like karate kicks and stuff. why would they hire him to do that if they weren't expecting that?
00:26:35
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Right. Like that's, that's his, his forte. Yeah. i know He would, yeah that's crazy. He was also very upset that the predator mask covered his face. He thought he was going to get famous from this. So, and his face was covered anyway.
00:26:48
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What do you mean? you He thought he would be, he was already famous. How many movies did he have? out I don't think he must've been like, what, like this must've been 95. No, no predator. When did predator come out 1987? Yeah.
00:27:01
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Oh, okay. Yeah. That was before him. Yeah. So he was trying to get, I guess that makes more sense. Yeah. yeah But anyway, they put the guy they replaced him with is like seven feet two. And I think he looks more imposing and it makes more sense. Yeah.
00:27:14
Speaker
Imagine if the predator at the end takes, took off a mask and it was John. Yeah. That would have stopped it from being classic. Incredible. Well, it would have done something. Yeah, it would have made it a cult classic. Exactly. It would have. That's super interesting.
00:27:41
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Let's go to the character breakdown for Ray Donovan. We're talking about a lot about Van Damme because of the character and the actor, but we got Ray Donovan sitting over here ready to kill somebody. His battle resume. Well, he's a South Boston native.
00:27:54
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He went from basically like a street survivor all the way to Hollywood's most feared fixer. He's a problem solver for all these super wealthy clients, athletes, celebrities, and of course the potential mob factor in there too.
00:28:08
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Character time period also pretty contemporary. So it started in 2013. That's fair to say that that's when the Ray Donovan character took place here. His background and training. He's a bare knuckle street fighting expert. We can gather that from, from his early days, extreme intimidation, probably off the charts in terms of intimidation and psychological warfare.
00:28:30
Speaker
negotiation skills, very high level there too. He seems pretty cagey about his specific background. you know They don't get into it too heavily, but I think it's safe to assume that he has quite a lot of formal boxing training too, considering his brother had a relatively decent boxing career, owns a gym. So it makes sense that he he's also got some boxing skills.
00:28:51
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Preferred weapons. I mean, Chris, you said it before, a baseball bat. I think that that's probably it, right? He prefers these blunt force instruments like bats, golf clubs, and then, of course, some some handguns and things like that.
00:29:02
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Yeah, things that are quiet. He doesn't want to shoot off be shooting off guns. Yeah, he likes to stay quiet. Sometimes a bat does the trick, right? If someone just sees the bat, that's enough for Ray Donovan. yeah Sampling of opponents, mobsters, blackmailers, corrupt cops. So those those types of people. I even got his family in here. He's got the worst family of all time.
00:29:23
Speaker
Yeah, just the lowest of the low, you know, of society. You know, this goes back to Will's point about opponents being... an important factor in determining who moves on in the tournament. And he's never really up against anybody for the most part that is super dangerous.
00:29:39
Speaker
I'd say a lot of the seasons come, you know, there's a culmination at the end where he's facing the more dangerous villains, I would say, but all in all, no one really that, that scary.
00:29:50
Speaker
Oh, let's talk about that again in a few minutes, but that, that's a really good point. I have, I have thought of that before. So yeah, let's, let's talk about that in a second.
00:30:06
Speaker
But first, let's run the gauntlet. Let's get into it. Keyboard carnage over again. Let's go. I do have one. Quote, Ray Donovan has two facial expressions, mild annoyance and intense mild annoyance.
00:30:18
Speaker
Again, these are so accurate. They're funny, but so accurate. I have one that's a feature review on IMDb, the Ray Donovan drinking game. and I'm going to try to not embarrass my Boston friends by doing a Boston accent as best I can. But it says, take a shot. If a character says, what? Sure. It doesn't matter. Get in the car. If you really want to raise the stakes, take a half shot every time a character says, fuck you or go fuck yourself. You know what drinking game would kill you? Literally kill and a normal human being. Take a shot every time Ray Donovan takes a shot. That's true. He likes drinking. He's got to be a severe alcoholic.
00:30:59
Speaker
No, the yeah that's that's I think going to come into it when we get into the open discussion. maybe ah Maybe a negative for Ray. um They've gone too far. Any scenes that seem way too impossible? Will mentioned before, I think it's kind of come on pretty pretty grounded in reality, I would say. but Ray Donovan's universe is grounded in reality. So everything that happens in there, it it feels it feels like it has a weight to it. It has emotional backing to it. So the way we have to treat it is different than the way we treat Chance Bordeaux in in ah Hard Targets.
00:31:36
Speaker
in in ray donovan's reality everything is bleak everything is like a little bit depressing it's it's dreary so like with that we have to kind of treat it in that way so i think the universe is if we if we have like you know chance versus ray you know attacking each other the universes are actually what's colliding there it's it's this perception this this depth of like of of the reality that's that's that's clashing there. And the reason that's happening, for me anyway, is like, like Chance is like this personification of like victory.
00:32:11
Speaker
everything he yeah Everything that he does, it's this personification of victory. So it's like, it doesn't matter what he's faced against. He's going to find a way to overcome it. Ray Donovan, everything he faces is like, is a fucking black hole. It's a bad situation. And and like Ray Donovan, like it's it's it's drama. it's It's bleak. It's like the harshest reality being shown in the spotlight.
00:32:35
Speaker
When you have these character characters facing each other, there's this dichotomy that's impossible to overcome unless like unless you you choose a side. If we choose that like light overcomes darkness, chance beats Ray.
00:32:49
Speaker
If you choose that darkness, it might overcome light, then Rey overcomes chance. That's my perspective of this anyway. And I know I'm getting a little heady here, but that's like the way I see these two things is like these are two different realities converging in a degree that like is unprecedented. So we need to choose. Yeah, we need to choose a winner there.
00:33:13
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say it's almost impossible to go too far in this series. It's really, it's all about drama. It's all about emotion. And it's so grounded in reality that they do a really good job of just like making it very realistic and believable. So it's almost, yeah, like i said, impossible to go too far, which is it's fine. Yeah, that's cool. It's highly, highly rated. Yeah.
00:33:33
Speaker
Um, For your collection, anything ah anything good standing out there? Yep. So back to you, Will. Is there any piece of memorabilia or a set piece or a prop from Ray Donovan that you'd like to keep?
00:33:48
Speaker
from From a prop perspective, i mean i don't have any nice suits personally. So I'd probably take a suit. And that's that's that's a personal, selfish subjective. Hey, this is this this the segment to be selfish. Yeah, you get whatever you want. For your display case.
00:34:06
Speaker
What about you? I mean, I'll just take a bat. I mean, you see in in my background, I have a couple bats. Give me Ray Donovan bat. I'll take it, yeah. Ray Donovan bat with it with ah with a blood spatter on it. Totally.
00:34:18
Speaker
Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker segment, where we're getting again into one-liners or a memorable monologue. I touched on that a little bit in the user review keyboard carnage segment where there was a lot of F-bombs being dropped, so could think that maybe some things stand out.
00:34:32
Speaker
you think you're the first person I've dealt with woke up in bed with a dead body? pretty telling of who this guy is. Not only is he kind of chastising a guy for waking up next to a dead body, but he's like, listen, man, I've had this happen to me many times before. So just fucking relax.
00:34:50
Speaker
And the Boston accent, I just feel like makes thing makes him sound that much tougher as well. How is it? How is the Boston accent for you? Pretty solid? He does a really great job. Yeah, I think so. Okay.
00:35:01
Speaker
I have a quick fun fact. In the series, there is a there are scenes at Buffalo Bill's casino. And the owner of the casino was played by Ted Levine, who played, famously, Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs.
00:35:17
Speaker
That's cool. Pretty good one.
00:35:26
Speaker
So here's where we are, guys. Now we're in segment three, which is who's going to win this fucking thing. So let's dig in a little bit and start thinking about different characteristics of these fighters so that we can choose a winner. So let's think about strengths of schedule, toughest opponents that they face and start talking a little bit about that.
00:35:45
Speaker
This might be a good time for me to talk about this. And we kind of touched on it a little bit. You guys were dancing all around it, which is that Ray Donovan's based in reality a little more so than Chance Boudreaux. So this might be a good chance for me to talk about a pattern that we see with this character. but also similar types of characters in all three of the other
Challenges in the Tournament
00:36:05
Speaker
brackets. There's several of these organized crime tough guy types sprinkled in like Ray Donovan, of course. Think about like Tony Soprano or Scarface. And here's the thing, these guys are super dangerous, but they're dangerous in a normal world.
00:36:19
Speaker
Their strength of schedule, if we want to talk about that, is mostly civilians. They're criminals. people who don't want to die, people who can be intimidated. In this tournament, there are no civilians. There's no normal opponents. Everyone here is a trained killer or a specialist of some kind, a battlefield survivor of some kind. So if you're that crime world tough guy, archetype guy, I really need to see something extra to believe that you can hang for multiple rounds in this tournament.
00:36:46
Speaker
I don't want to spoil anything. It's not that I'm turned off on... that type of character because I think that they can advance. I think Ray Donovan is one of the best at that. I think he can advance, but I want to tee that up before we get too deep into this, this matchup, just because I got to see something special for this. Somebody who's killing and intimidating normal people when he goes up against people that cannot be intimidated.
00:37:11
Speaker
I like that point a lot, but I will say with Ray Donovan being grounded so much in reality and the character himself being calm under pressure, very calculating, I could see Chance Boudreaux sort of doing all these flips over his head and like pulling out guns and shooting and Ray is just kind of standing there like rolling his eyes. Like what the fuck are you doing, dude?
00:37:32
Speaker
Like, are you going to shoot me? are you going to come and fight me? yeah You're just doing all this crazy acrobatics and these spinning kicks trying to get me. And Ray's just standing there, like, taking it. Like, he doesn't even matter. He thinks he thinks he looks silly with his hair flips and his roundhouse kicks. So, yeah, I think the calm under pressure thing is a big one. And he does face, I would say, some very tough opponents. Also, some very formidable and antagonizing, intimidating characters. and Sully, the mob boss, you know, a Suge Knight type yeahp um guy in Cookie who who runs a records recording studio. And he ends up taking these guys out. It's just a little different in the way that he does it. You don't realize it's going to happen until it happens. So maybe that could kind of be more in his favor if he were to take out Chance in that way.
00:38:17
Speaker
And that's a signature scene you you just brought up there. So we I think that's a good segue. You you call him the Suge Knight type. And that's kind of what I call him too, right? It's Cookie. yeah that He's a hip hop mogul. He's a crime syndicate boss kind of guy. And he's dropping money off to Cookie. He owes him money. Okay, great. He's paying him. He's got a million bucks in a duffel bag.
00:38:35
Speaker
And he's unloading it stack at a time. And he's, as he's doing this, he's kind of feeling out the whole scenario. And he's like, how do I know I can trust you? And Cookie smirks. And he's like, you don't. And without missing a beat, Ray is just still unloading the money, reaches in. And he goes, that's what I thought. and fires a hidden gun from the bag and kills Cookie. It's just totally cold, precise, unflinching. This guy is totally cool in that scenario. Not only did he kill him with no remorse, he killed him because he had to. He didn't just blow his brains out. He asked him, can I trust you? And the guy said no. He had the chance. So Ray gave him the out, and he didn't take it, and Ray said, okay, that's it. Boom. Donezo.
00:39:15
Speaker
I love that scene. That's such a great point. Love that we could fit that into the signature scene segment. Even right immediately after he kills a cookie, his two bodyguards come in. And like you said, he's like super calm under pressure. Very cool. He hides behind the door, points the gun at the bodyguard and takes his gun. And then another bodyguard comes in and he's ready. And then he very coldly says, there's a million dollars in the bag. You guys can fight for it or split it.
00:39:39
Speaker
I don't give a shit what you do. And he walks out. He has a gunshot in the background. Obviously one of them. you know decided to take the other out to steal a million dollars. But that was a very, very cool scene. And any other favorite moments or signature scenes from either of these guys, either Chance or or Donovan, that you can think of that's going to help us try to determine who's going to win here?
00:39:59
Speaker
I can't say this from an objective perspective, but watching a motorcycle
Memorable Motorcycle Scene
00:40:05
Speaker
on fire get used as a projectile explosive, that's the top. Insane. and yeah Yeah. And that's that's ah obviously Chance Bordeaux using that as a ah as a weapon. That helps solidify my answer, which, you know of course, I won't say yet. Yeah. yeah but let's Let's paint a picture for the listeners in case they haven't seen this movie. right When you talk about using his motorcycle as the explosion, he's on the motorcycle driving right at this SUV. It's a collision course.
00:40:35
Speaker
He stands on the seat of the motorcycle. Right. He is standing on it. He's surfing, shooting up the truck while he's standing there. Yeah. It collides. He goes over very gracefully, just does like a little somersault, just as though that's, you know, he's like in a Cirque du Soleil or something. And he lands very gently.
00:40:55
Speaker
He's casual about very casual. He does this all the time. Lands on his feet. But okay, so let's talk about this. It demonstrates what? Athleticism, fearlessness, agility, using your surroundings to your advantage. I mean, these are actual skills that are going to help him get to the next round potentially, right? So even though it was insane, we got to look at it from all angles here.
00:41:17
Speaker
Right. And I can't help but think that the mullet he has helps distribute the weight in a way that is advantageous for him. Because I don't know how else he did it. It has to be the mullet. Maybe that's just me. Are you suggesting that he was hurdled through the air, a motorcycle versus SUV collision, and the hair acted as a parachute almost? Like one of these dragster automobile? I think...
00:41:41
Speaker
the hair is at a point of charisma and aura in the situation that it it can decide how to attribute its features in order to be as most advantageous to chance birdo while he's doing these 100 yeah that's just me i don't know i feel like he has control over his hair like he can control his fingers or his hands and right almost as if the hair is like It's an extension. The extension is like how a cat uses its tail for balance. He uses his arm.
00:42:13
Speaker
I mean, that's, that's, you know, it's self-explanatory if you watch the movie, in my opinion. but It makes sense. It makes sense from a biological perspective and I'm a scientist. So one of my favorite moments, signature scenes for chance as well was one that was more realistic, which was great to see at the very beginning. when he was facing those initial sort of gangsters that stole the money from who was going to be his girlfriend. And he walks out and starts to absolutely annihilate and roundhouse kick the shit out of everybody within 10 foot vicinity. um Even to the point where there's a motor so a guy on a motorcycle who drives by and he roundhouse kicks that guy off the motorcycle. And that was just yet really cool. And it came out of nowhere. So it was kind of like i mean very shocking and it really like made you pay attention. It's there to establish that Shantz is an inevitability. He's not a person. He he is a force of nature. And like, you know, you don't mess with that. If you do, you have to be willing to deal with the consequences. And Boudreaux's skills are absolutely legitimate. He's a top tier elite level martial artist. And anybody who's elite level at anything does things that are not normal. They bend the rules of reality. Consend reality. Yeah. Right. Yes. Are we are we talking about Shantz's strengths, his advantages? You can talk about his strengths, absolutely. All right, let's let's dive in. i mean, Shantz, he's not a human.
00:43:44
Speaker
he He is success personified. Everything he does just oozes this this success. He's not he's not a a person in the same way as like you or I are a person. We have these vulnerabilities. Sure, he has vulnerabilities, but those vulnerabilities are there to show you that while he's still human, he's able to do these things that are generally unachievable. We we talked about it earlier in that he has some sort of plot armor going on. Right.
00:44:15
Speaker
It's not necessarily defensive plot armor. I think it's more offensive plot armor. Everything he does, like you said, is successful. All of his kicks, all of his shots. He's an action hero. He is an action hero, yeah. I love this because when it comes to this this fictional fighting championship breakdown, we have to reach a point where like,
00:44:35
Speaker
There's going to be two people who are who both have this aura, right? This ability to succeed as their main character, like their drive. What does that look like when they when they clash? And like I'm super excited to see how that pans out. But for Chance, he has that. He has that it factor. So i I love this and I love seeing the clash of this because both of these characters... have great feats right and i think personally speaking chance brudeau in this scenario i see him winning the brawl between ray donovan and and chance brudeau and i i'll take a step back well we're into x factor at this point right you're bringing up that so let's let's talk about donovan real quick and the x factor how can he win can he win yeah he can win how can he do it talk about his x factor here for a second He's a 10 out of 10 on intimidation, and he's also very high in strategy. There's one classic scene that I'll bring up here that I think paints a picture in Donovan's favor a
Ray Donovan's Clever Tactics
00:45:35
Speaker
little bit, right? Or at least keeps him in the ballgame here.
00:45:37
Speaker
He's hired to bring back some kidnapped kid. It's not a child, but just some adult kid, it's kind of a dickhead. So he goes to this warehouse, and he's got to pay the ransom. There's a couple of thugs up there with him. The kid's all taped up. He's got a bag over his head or whatever. They're like, hey, where's the money? He looks at his watch. He goes, yeah, whatever. My driver should be pulling up here any minute. And they're like, what about the fuck you mean, driver? And then they look out the window and they're like, oh, there's a black car pulling up. That's his driver. Shit. Now they got to split up. Donovan just took control. The kidnappers are now forced to follow Ray's lead and see what his next move is. So now one of them has to go outside to get the money from Ray's associate or his friend or whatever he is. Right. The other guy stays up with Ray and the kid while he's doing this. Ray pulls out a pen out of his pocket and he I don't know why he is very hilarious. He actually clicks the pen.
00:46:28
Speaker
To open it up? I don't know. Does that make it sharper? i don't know. But whatever. But anyway, yeah he waits for his moment, right? And he stabs this mofo right in the fucking neck. They struggle a little bit, but Ray grabs a gun, shoots him in the foot, shoots him in the head. He's dead. And about the same time, this guy's outside with looking for Ray's partner and to get the money out of the trunk. And he realizes, oh shit,
00:46:54
Speaker
That's just an Uber driver. it Ray just called an Uber. There's no partner. There's no money. There's nothing. Just total pure misdirection. One-on-one, Ray is almost unbeatable. He just tends to dominate in these scenarios. So he needs to come up with a way to make this happen. Strategy, precision, and fear just kind of all rolled into one. So I'm going to give that to Ray in the X-factor category because I think there's very few matchups in this tournament where someone just has zero chance to win.
00:47:22
Speaker
There has to be a one out of 10 chance win. for anybody to win and and ray donovan i feel like is maybe even higher than one out of ten chance yeah no i mean let me let me add on to that so sean's brudeau we know he's capable of being hurt throughout the movie this is a guy who doesn't appeal to regular human standards like this is somebody who can jump through balls of fire through explosions they can they can make reality turn in slow motion while they're delivering their punches Like this is somebody who doesn't adhere to reality, but in the same um hand, they were able to be knocked out in hard target.
00:47:58
Speaker
He's knocked out unconscious in, in like a very benign situation. And that tells me this is a chance to humanize him. This is not somebody who's above the confines of reality. This is somebody who can be knocked out. What does that mean? That means Ray can knock him out. Yeah. So that means there are scenarios where Ray Donovan wins this situation.
00:48:26
Speaker
So that being said, should we go to the vert should we go to the verdict? I think I'm a tougher decision. let me I want to bring something up here too about Boudreaux. We see almost Rambo level improvisation here in ah in a couple of different scenes. And there's one that gives me a serious Rambo vibe here. In addition to this punching the snake in the face and then turning the tap of the snake into a booby trap essentially, right? For his enemies. But there's another one. yeah He rigs up this another massive booby trap.
00:48:54
Speaker
And his uncle Duvet, the moonshiners. Yeah. Played by Wilford Brimley, which was hilarious. But anyway, Duvet fires an arrow through the moonshine. Still it explodes. and It ignites the whole shack. It sets off a chain reaction, a dynamite that he had planted before he already made his escape. It's total chaos.
00:49:13
Speaker
I got to tell you, if you know you're fighting someone and you can rig something up that is a death trap like he just did there, now we're talking Rambo level. And that gives you an edge in this tournament. The more you watch this, it almost feels to me a little bit less B-level action movie hero and a little bit more like he's turned into a legitimate threat in this bracket. I wanted to paint that scenario and lead into who we're taking in this thing because we need a winner. I'll go first.
00:49:43
Speaker
Chance wins this thing 100% It's not even close Ray Donovan Solid person and like I had Internal conflict coming to this this Consensus but Chance Just wins it because like he Literally as a person if his Personality his character his aura He is the personification Of victory And it doesn't matter by what means. He will figure out a means necessary and will win. Even though like I don't understand the Cajun angle, it's fine.
00:50:16
Speaker
But like Chance wins. But I'd love to hear more from ah from Chris' perspective as well here. One one vote for Chance. You know, it's, it's, I think a difficult one.
00:50:27
Speaker
Chance Boudreaux is so in your face. He has such an extreme nature to him. It's hard to look away. It's a complete train wreck. Most of the time, I do think that he is being reactive. Steve touched on towards the end of the film. He is starting to plan and to manipulate his enemies into a scenario that he wants. But all in all, I do feel like it's utter chaos and he's really just reacting to that. And that really takes away, i think, from how good of a competitor in this tournament Ray Donovan is. He's calm under pressure. He's calculating. He's strategic. We know that he can kill people in very surprising ways. And the fact that he's more of a quiet character, i think, is in some ways a negative, but also in
00:51:17
Speaker
A lot of ways, I think, and we've seen this before with other characters is that he is perhaps a sleeper in this tournament. I think he's someone that could take you by surprise and he's shown that I think throughout the series. And I think with his skillset, he could certainly take chance by surprise, tracking him down, distracting him. We've talked about all of this.
00:51:35
Speaker
I do think from watching hard target that chance is susceptible to these types of skills. There is an argument here to say that Ray wins, but in my mind,
00:51:45
Speaker
Chance is just far too much to handle. He's too explosive. He's too athletic. Like you've spoken about both of you. He has the skillset, I think to really take him very far into this tournament. He's a Rambo type ex-military. He's a mixed martial artist. He's just too much to contain. And despite Ray Donovan being calm and collected and potentially being able to weather the storm, Chance is a category five hurricane. And I don't think he's withstanding Chance's onslaught. So I can't you know go against Jean-Claude Van Damme here. He's one of my favorites, but it does feel really difficult to go against um a Boston native. Big Boston fan. Don't let the accent fool you. I am from Boston as well, so maybe have some family that I might upset here, but...
00:52:31
Speaker
Hopefully they're not too upset. They don't come at me with a baseball bat. I'm taking chance. All right. Both good arguments. So I'll chime in here. It seems like the point is moot, but I'll walk through it anyway.
Tournament Decision: Boudreaux Advances
00:52:42
Speaker
So in one-on-one encounters, as I kind of hinted on before, Donovan said, seems nearly unbeatable. And that's exactly what this tournament is. I mean, it's the ultimate one-on-one head-to-head battle. So his biggest weapon is intimidation. And we talked about that a little bit too.
00:52:57
Speaker
Boudreaux though, he comes from a completely different world. He thrives in chaos. Ray Donovan plans and manipulates things behind the scenes. Boudreaux adapts instantly.
00:53:08
Speaker
Donovan's intimidation works wonders against crooked celebrities, rich assholes, mid-level criminals, stalkers, things like this, right? Priests, okay? These are opponents who can be scared. Chance Boudreaux, though, he can't be scared. He's a fucking predator. He's got elite training, elite skills. He's got no hesitation.
00:53:27
Speaker
I love Ray Donovan, but when you take away the fear factor and you realize that his fighting style was mostly learned on the streets, I think it's going to be lights out. In this matchup, Chance Boudreau will walk out alive. In fact, not only does he walk out alive, he crane kicks a gas can, does a backflip, shoots the gas can in midair, explodes it right in front of Donovan's face, and then he walks out alive. I'm making it unanimous.
00:53:53
Speaker
It has to be Chance Boudreau, and it's three to nothing. Chance Boudreaux making it through. all the debate aside, it's not opinion anymore. It's a goddamn fact.
Jordan's Return and Van Damme Fandom
00:54:11
Speaker
All right, guys, we have a little bonus here for this episode. As you know, Will filled in for Jordan this time. Jordan was out. He's back. He wanted to do a little segment here because he felt so upset that he missed it. And also that Jean-Claude Van Damme is one of his personal favorites. So, Jordan, let's hear your take on this thing.
00:54:29
Speaker
Absolutely. I'm fucking stoked to see Frank Dukes in this. Jean-Claude Van Damme is an absolute badass. I mean, holy 80s martial arts training montage. Frank Dukes is in this one. He has the ultimate grit, whether it's getting strung up on the rack, doing the splits in that awesome scene, whether it's doing weird shit like gambling on coin games for a girl who doesn't want to go with either of them and still winning. the battle. I mean, come on. He he is a top tier guy, ultimate in hand to hand combat, hard bodied military background. They don't show it in there, but like, you know, he's got some weapons training background that we're going to see come out as he progresses through this. So I'm super stoked to see him in this. And I'm super fucking stoked too, that we were able to have blood sport in this because it introduced literally my favorite song of the entire series. Kumite, Kumite, Kumite, Kumite. So absolutely.
00:55:21
Speaker
Let's see you in this. Hey, hey, hey, Jordan.
00:55:26
Speaker
when When did you rewatch this movie? Like last week. Okay. Bloodsport, right? Yeah. Yeah. this is this This is hard Hard Target starring Jean-Claude Van Damme. The character is Chance Boudreaux. It's not Bloodsport.
00:55:49
Speaker
It's Hard Target. What? You had one job, dude. Look, I was in the hospital having a baby. God damn, was it really's really a hard target? It's always been hard target. Hey, this is why this is why Will is on is on standby all the time. so when your fucking brain explodes, we have Will primed and ready to roll here.
00:56:13
Speaker
Will reviewed the correct the correct movie. God damn it. All right. Well, um... I'm glad to have him in this still. And my standing is still that Kumite is the best song of the series.
00:56:27
Speaker
Well, the good news for you is Jean-Claude Van Damme's character, Chance Boudreaux, advanced to the next round. So you get another chance to rewatch that movie and come back with an actual take next time.
00:56:39
Speaker
ah Second time's the charm. ah All right. And again, thanks, Will, for jumping in. In hindsight. And actually getting the film right. Yes. It would have been a very difficult ah full episode to have Jordan talking about the wrong movie for an entire hour. I'd i'd be like, yeah, that's great, guys. But can we talk about the karate move? And the splits again. man. Exactly.
00:57:07
Speaker
Well, if you haven't watched Hard Target, do it because you're probably not too far off. He's probably doing most of the same moves. I'll have to be honest, but he's holding a gun this time. Yeah. I mean, if you're talking about Jean-Claude Van Damme, if he's not doing the splits, you're not watching a Van Damme movie.
00:57:23
Speaker
Chris, can you do the wah-wah sound effect yeah right about now so we can we can put that in later? Okay. Post-production. Yeah. I got you. I got you. Okay. Wah-wah-wah-wah-wah.
00:57:36
Speaker
All right, guys. Well, this is a little bonus segment for the Jean-Claude Van Damme character, Chance Boudreaux, who advanced over Ray Donovan. So, Jordan, thanks for jumping in.
00:57:49
Speaker
But I have to say, Will's performance was a little bit better, and that's a goddamn fact.
00:57:58
Speaker
Thanks, guys.
00:58:14
Speaker
Thank you for listening to the Fictional Fighting Championship podcast, the world's premier destination for very serious conversations about completely made-up fights. Produced by Chris Doherty, Against His Better Judgment.
00:58:25
Speaker
Now I chase, live I'm taking hold every moment Keeping strength by the breath of life I'm gonna stake my claim fight survive
00:58:49
Speaker
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