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Jason Bourne v Bryan Mills -- Amnesia & Flip Phones
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This week, it’s a battle of elite operatives with very different skill sets—and very particular sets of skills.
Jason Bourne, the amnesiac assassin built for covert “wet work,” takes on Bryan Mills, the relentless father who will stop at nothing once he says the words: “I will find you.”
We break down instinct vs experience, improvisation vs intimidation, and what happens when the most hunted man in the world meets the man who always does the hunting.
Also… a mysterious contender makes yet another unexpected appearance: James Bourne. Who is he? Where did he come from?
All that, plus breakdowns, hot takes, and just enough chaos to make both CIA black ops and Albanian traffickers very uncomfortable.
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Transcript
Welcome to Fictional Fighting Championship
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This is the fictional fighting championship podcast, the ultimate battleground where Hollywood's deadliest warriors collide. We're taking 48 of the most ruthless, skilled, and battle-hardened fighters from movies and TV and throwing them into a no-holds-bar tournament to see who survives.
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You've seen the movies, you know the legends. Now it's time to settle the score.
Meet the Hosts
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Jesus Christ, that's Jason Bourne.
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I'm Jordan Guerrero. I'm Christian Doherty. And I'm Steve Sadler. And this is a podcast about the greatest fictional tournament in the history of the universe. And that is not an exaggeration.
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Hey guys, let's jump right into this. This is a heavyweight matchup, so to speak. So Chris, who do we have?
Matchup Introduction: Brian Mills vs. Jason Bourne
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Today, guys, is a second round matchup between FFC's favorite dad, Brian Mills, and the CIA's wonder boy, Jesus Christ.
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It's Jason Bourne. Brian Mills advanced after winning against It Man in a previous episode for this season. And Jason Bourne is here due to a bye just because he's an absolute legend.
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He is an absolute legend. And I thought Brian Mills taken was an absolute legend. And here we are, they're fighting each other this early in the tournament. That's the thing about this thing is it's, it's so fucking loaded.
00:01:46
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Yeah. But both of these guys, both of these movie series are absolutely iconic. They were from slightly different eras, but they both seem like they defined an era with bringing something new to action movies.
00:01:58
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Yeah, real heavy hitters. This is ah this is the type of matchup that you're like super excited to hear about if you're and a UFC fan, for example, or whatever. you're You're waiting weeks for this matchup to come around, and there's a lot of talk about it, and they're like two of the best fighters in in history. and Yeah, this is a good one.
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Yeah, the fact that these guys are crossing paths right now seems a lot like it would be something like Chuck Liddell against Anderson Silva. That's what it feels like to me. Hell yeah. at s And it's on the, it's on the eve of a UFC tomorrow night.
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Beautiful. I had to pay for the premium Gmail just because we're getting so many bursting at the seams.
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How about we do the tail of the tape? Get into it. Run it. All right.
Spotlight: Jason Bourne
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This is the FFC debut of Jason Bourne. His debut was 2002 in the Bourne Identity, portrayed by Matt Damon.
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His fight stats. He's about 5'10 and about 175 pounds. And when we first run across Jason Bourne, he's in his early to mid-30s. His home turf.
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You know, he's fighting out of burner apartments scattered across the globe and parts unknown.
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signature move breaking limbs yeah i got lightning fast submissions and joint breaks yeah definitely on the same park parkour yes improvised weapons this man will kill you with a fucking magazine absolutely we'll talk about that in a second but uh that magazine was amazing vibe check for jason born how about the muscle memory assassin Love it.
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Perfect. Yeah. He's just like blacking out. He's blacked out the entire time. He doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't know who he is. He doesn't know why he can kill people, but he can. Speaking of killing people.
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It's like the USA MKUltra. Speaking of killing people, should we do the kill count for Jason Bourne? Let's do it. Now don't forget, we know there's three premium movies, but don't forget about the fourth one called Jason Bourne. So there's four movies that we know of for this guy.
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Jeremy Renner movie can fuck off. Yeah, you can you can forget that one. Chris, you want to take a stab at Kill Count first? Sure. So I want to just think out loud here.
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He's quite evasive throughout the film, defensive in a way, only, you know, killing when he is attacked for the most part. Yeah, I'm going to say despite him being such a heavyweight in this tournament, it's still on the low side for someone we would consider one of the best fighters in the tournament. I'm going to go with 45.
00:05:26
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45. Okay. Damn. i think you are very close. That's right about what I was going to say. So recently having watched the last movie, Tommy Lee Jones actually tells him talking about his service that he had 32 confirmed kills.
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So that's 32 operative kills. So I know he's killed people outside of that. I'm going to say 47. Nice. nice Oh boy. Okay. So what was it? 45 and 47. Yep. Yep.
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Okay, all right. Here's what we have. We have 21 on-screen kills across four four films. And there's a little bit of a gray area. So I think we should bump it up to about 27 on account of some car crashes that very easily probably killed some more people. So let's say 27.
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And then, as Jordan said, we know that he had 32 confirmed kills just in the Treadstone program, which we have to assume is pre-amnesia. Add all that together and you have 59 kills. Nice. Not too bad. Nice. Yeah. So Jordan wins that one.
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Jesus, Jordan, I think that's at least three in a row for you right See, I had an ace in the hole having watched that movie recently. I picked up on that. I was like, Steve's to ask me about this. Really making a comeback. Yep. Bingo. You did your homework. Yep.
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That was great.
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ah Let's switch to Brian Mills.
Spotlight: Brian Mills
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We'll do the tail tail of the tape. We won't waste too much time on Mills because we've done this before, as you remember a couple weeks ago. Brian Mills debuted in 2008 in the movie Taken.
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He's portrayed by Liam Neeson. His fight stats. He's about 6'4", about 215 pounds, and when we first run across Mills, he's in his early 50s. His home turf. He's fighting out of Los Angeles, California these days.
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And his signature move, I got the long distance phone call. That's a one. ah Vibe check. Old man strength. Yeah, good. Yeah. and And he's kind of a nice guy. but So if you don't agree that he's a nice guy, you probably ended up on his list.
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He's like the Krampus to the Santa. He's got a list, but he's there to give the beat down. He's got ah only a naughty list. And we're not going to do the kill count because we already did it. And just for fun, I will tell you 74 kills across three movies, which is pretty big. Yeah, that's a good, good number.
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Let's break down Jason Bourne, shall we? Start digging in here to some of his his resume. And we'll start with his battle resume. A couple things we know of, and Jordan tipped us off on this one. He was a top operative in the Treadstone program, which was like a black ops unit. In fact, not only was he in the Treadstone program, but he was referred to as one of their best assets. Totally.
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I also learned the term wet work and we know that he's run many successful wet work missions for Treadstone, tons of government hits. And it's indicated that he has done all this, you know, with very long term success and without ever exposing himself, which is a key skill in this tournament.
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But wait, pit so i back it up for fans who don't know what wet work is, myself included. what are we talking about here? Yeah, it's ah it's the dirty work that these black ops organizations do. So it's like professional assassinations.
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Very cool. Do you think we could get wet work jobs? Because I don't know about you guys. I only work during the days. I have plenty of to free time on my hands. Yeah, but plenty of time in the evenings to go start assassinating.
00:09:12
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We start Googling wet work and looking on Craigslist. We get flagged flagged by the FBI and arrested immediately. Yeah. Then a real Jason Bourne starts knocking on our door. I'm just going to get ads for water sports.
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If you don't know what that is, I'm not explaining it.
00:09:35
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All right. Character time period for Brian Mills. wait Wait, sorry. We're on Jason Bourne. Character time period for Jason Bourne. Well, this is post-Cold War. So early 2000s, which means it's true to the approximate movie release. Yep.
00:09:48
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Talk a little bit about his background and his skill set. Now we see a lot of Jason Bourne fighting and a lot of Jason Bourne skills across the four movies. What kinds of skills pop out at you guys?
00:09:59
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Oh man, primarily hand-to-hand combat is just on another level. He's just constantly disarming guys when he has no weapons, breaking limbs, completely just obliterating anyone that comes in his path.
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It seems like he's got a good mix of those like covert assassin skills and more like overt warfighting skills. They mentioned in it that he was Delta Force as well. That was his background before he got recruited in there. So there he is, badass army guy as well. So he's kind of blending all that stuff together into CIA badass operative.
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Oh, that's good ad. I didn't catch the Delta Force part. That's pretty cool. This guy's legit. And then the last, maybe we were you know we're talking about background. How about this? His own dad started Treadstone. How fucking and nuts is that? So this guy's in it yeah as far as it goes.
00:10:45
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Chris touched on his hand-to-hand, which is outrageous, and it's it's really cool to follow because it looks so realistic and so effortless and and at the same time. And that's not an accident. It's not a coincidence because even though he's been attributed to several different types of martial arts on the internet just by watching the skills and everything, there is a primary martial art, and it's a Filipino martial art style called Kali.
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And I even heard an interview of Matt Damon talking about it and it's very fluid motion and using your opponent's aggression and energy against him so that you don't even have to use your full energy to have a a full impact basically. So I thought that was really cool to hear. And I wasn't familiar with Kali until I had heard this. That's really, really cool.
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And you can see it in, in the motions and fighting scenes, you know, choreography, if if you want to call it that. Yep. And kind of a callback to Christian Wolfe. Wasn't there another South Asian, sort of maybe Filipino, Malaysian?
00:11:47
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Martial art. It was... Penkak Svat. Oh, you nailed it. Yep. I think I missed that last last word.
00:11:58
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pen yeah I don't think it's Filipino, but somewhere it is. Southeast Asia. Yeah. Yeah, you think you think of those FMA, you got Kali, Eskrima, all of those stick fighting, knife fighting. It's all very fast, very brutal stuff. And you cand see him doing it well. That combined with Krav Maga, stuff like that. It's you know nothing flashy. it's nothing you know It's not like watching an old martial arts movie where where they're doing all kinds of extraneous movements. It's just get the job done.
00:12:25
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Super realistic to watch and fun to watch. Compare it to two other fighting styles. Like you said, kung fu movies. So a Bruce Lee movie or ah like Ip Man, for example, where they're doing a lot of spins, a lot of flashy kicks that that look like maybe or maybe not. Is it even realistic, right? Comparing to that. And then also the opposite opposite end of the spectrum, Indiana Jones. where he's just fired off roundhouses and knocks, knock somebody out in one punch. America. Yeah.
00:12:56
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yeah I need to do more research on this branch of martial arts. It sounds like there's a whole, long list of martial arts that are coming out of this area of the world. It's kind of really cool. Chris, I'm actually going to an FMA gym tomorrow with a grandmaster here in San Francisco, not too far from me, who has his own martial art there. That's amazing. That's so cool. What's FMA?
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FMA is Filipino martial arts. And so that there's a handful of different martial arts. And so this grandmaster, he kind of compiled them and he calls it Escobodan, which is kind of a acronym and e like a scream, a call, all those different things. And so he does like a bunch of stick fighting and I fighting and hand hand and disarms and stuff like that. So it looks badass. That's awesome.
00:13:41
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We should have showed him the Bourne movies so he could give us a three minute soundbite. right. Well, maybe tomorrow I'll see if I can get him to chime in. Bring it, bring a mic. Yeah.
00:13:52
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Let's talk about some preferred weapons for Jason Bourne. These fucking myths This guy has no weapon. Five seconds later, he's fucking armed. so His weapon is your weapon. Whatever you have on you, yeah yeah fucking you're a loot drop for Jason Bourne. That's his now.
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Yeah. You mentioned the magazine. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever inanimate object is laying around for him to grab. Magazine is the, is the best of course, but there's others. I, yeah. I will talk about my favorite one in for your collection segment.
00:14:27
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Oh, okay. Great. Yes. All right. Save that then. the The last time I said this, you know, he, it's not about what weapon he has. He is the weapon. The last time I used that phrase, we were talking about John Rambo. So this is how fucking serious this guy is. He's he's up there in the top. Yeah.
00:14:42
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is an elite, elite matchup. Seems like it's a shed, a shed skill set between our elites. ah the You know, guys know I love drawing these thin parallels, even when I've made them up. So I'm going to do it again here. So you tell tell me what you think.
00:15:00
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I got Jason Bourne is James Bond without the gadgets. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. and And a shittier car. And more amnesia. a much shittier car, but that that's kind of makes it better.
00:15:14
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Yeah, he's he's Daniel Craig James Bond, not Sean Connery James Bond. Yes, dan yes and and we can talk about that too, but because of James Bourne, because of Jason Bourne, goddammit. That's a throwback to an earlier episode. I think Jordan said that once. Our first episode. Pillow Pascal, whatever his name is.
00:15:33
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because of the Jason Bourne movies, uh, James Bond had to change up and, and do a more realistic fighting styles and the shakier camera and different things like that. So that was, there's a direct correlation there. That's cool. Do you know that for sure? Or you just, yeah, yeah. scarling oh No, no, no, that's true. that I can believe. I believe that.
00:15:59
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You guys want to run the gauntlet here? Let's do it. Are we ready for Jason Bourne's gauntlet? It's kind of scary. Let's start with Keyboard Carnage.
Media and Memes: The Bourne Legacy
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Keyboard? key Hold on, let me say that.
00:16:11
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Keyboard Carnage. Keyboard Carnage. Are you an actor, Steve? do really good Jordan couldn't tell the difference between us right there. Oh, yeah, exactly. Any funny reviews?
00:16:23
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movie reviews or comments left on YouTube videos? I did see one that I liked and it said, it's simple. It said the camera shakes so much because even the cinematographer is afraid of Jason.
00:16:38
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That rocks. I don't have um a particular review that I found, but I will say that the long list of video memes that came from a very specific scene in the film where the guy is looking at the camera and the camera catches Jason Bourne and everything stops and he says, Jesus Christ, that's Jason Bourne.
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Jesus Christ. That's Jason Bourne.
00:17:12
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Mic drop. From then on out, any funny video that was captured of someone eating shit, trying to do some kind of funny flip or whatever, afterwards they pasted on that part of the Jason Bourne film saying, Jesus Christ, it's Jason Bourne. love those. My Instagram feed is full. My whole algorithm is just, Jesus Christ, it's Jason Bourne. And then some dude falling on his ass.
00:17:39
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but Let me give you this review. This review is clearly from the year 2002. Surgeon's warning. Don't watch from the first row. I watched the movie from the fifth row of the multiplex and five minutes into the movie. I was feeling dizzy. All right. I cannot imagine what could be the effect of watching this from the first or second row because of the shaky camera, right? hundred hundred percent Excellent.
00:18:02
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All right. Next. They've gone too far. Oh, This is a tough one because ah it was really grounded in reality. I feel like they did a really good job of making everything realistic.
00:18:14
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except for a couple of scenes that absolutely stand out for me in the first movie he's fighting in the stairwell there's people on like the first floor trying to shoot him what does he do he fucking jumps off the 10th floor using a guy as a shield and then lands 10 stories down on the concrete using the guy to absorb the impact so for a movie that's so grounded in reality with all the fighting and everything like that what the fuck was that move Yeah.
00:18:41
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Amazing. That's, that's of course the one I had. That seems brutal. Cause the, he throws the guy through the banister and then he like, he's like, fuck, got to get out of here. And so he starts just kicking the guy in the back and then finally the guy falls through the banister.
00:18:55
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But yeah, um I can't believe they made on the way down. He shoots, he shoots the guy point blank, like perfectly. yeah Not only does he shoot the guy, but it's almost like he was in slow motion right there and he was totally upright yeah falling at the speed of gravity. Yeah.
00:19:09
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ah For a movie so grounded in reality, out of all the movie scenes we're talking about over the past many episodes, this is the closest to a scene that would be out of machete.
00:19:22
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Touche. Touche, Jordan. yeah All right. Excellent. I stand corrected. Next segment for your collection. i can go first on this one. yeah We've talked about how inanimate objects he improvises. Mine wouldn't be the magazine. It would be a little more Simple than that.
00:19:40
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The pen from the first film. The guy with the ah highlights wearing in a gray sweatsuit absolutely gets annihilated by Jason Bourne and his pen. Having that thing in a little shadow box still covered in blood and guts would be pretty sweet.
00:19:55
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Is it weird that that's the only time that I like totally cringed when he stabbed the dude in the back of the hand? Yeah. That was so bad. just under the skin. Yeah. Oh, God. that That was so much worse than people actually dying.
00:20:09
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The pen was worse. Wait, is this the guy that popped up like the fucking Undertaker? Yeah. thought he was dead? you know my God. Yeah. And then he jumped out the window. Then he throws himself out the window. He popped up. It was like ah it was like a karate pop-up where he went from fully down to like hopping up without using his hands.
00:20:24
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All right. but Put that in the They've Gone Too Far segment as well. I know, right? Yeah, that dude was a zombie, man. Hey, is it weird? You know, we're talking about this battle between Jason Bourne and Brian Mills.
00:20:36
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Each of them had someone jump off a bridge or out a window rather than face Jason Bourne and Brian Mills. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking, was it Peter? It was fucking Peter, right?
00:20:48
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the The airport yeah dude who was trying to who was luring in the girls and everything. Yeah. He just jumped off the, like an inner, like an overpass. Yeah. And then he he so actually survived and then boom, got run over by fucking truck. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:02
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Oh, for your collection. You know what I wouldn't mind having? Just a little display fanned out on my credenza. Just his collection of passports. Oh, that's cool.
00:21:14
Speaker
All the different names. That's what I'd like to have. Fun fact about me. Let's just talk about me for a second. Oh, sure. I love it i have dual citizenship for ah US of a and United Kingdom. And whenever I travel, I feel like Jason Bourne because I take both passports with me and it feels great. Yeah, you got to take them both, right? Because it's easier to get in one and out of the other yeah with yeah the opposite. Yeah, yeah. Good. Interesting. oh I learned that from Jason Bourne.
00:21:39
Speaker
Your daughter should also be getting dual citizenship somehow. You got to figure that out I know. I think we're going to try actually. You got to make that happen. For your collection. I'm going to go with the banking bag from the first movie. When he goes there with all those passports, he's going to the bank for the first time. He's got that red velvet banking bag.
00:21:56
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Iconic. Yeah. Yeah. Love that part. The guy, the security guy, he's like red bag, red bag. You stop. Yep. And then he proceeds to what's in that bag.
00:22:07
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think it's just like money and passports and stuff. money Yeah. Yeah. Because you won't believe this. I just heard this today. i don't know where I heard it. I was obviously I was Googling and and doing some more research and stuff, but I think it's a guy from myth busters bought that at auction. He has the bag.
00:22:25
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Get out. it's either my It was either Mythbusters or maybe the antique. what's it What are those guys? they go They drive around in their van. and oh the yeah not not the Palm Stars. American Pickers. Oh, American Pickers.
00:22:38
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Bingo. It's one of those reality shows. So thatd be that would be an actual cool souvenir. Nice, nice. My guess is going to be Jamie Hyndman from Mythbusters. How's that?
00:22:49
Speaker
We have so many followers at this point. that That guy is probably listening to the podcast. Yeah, you're right. You're right. yes No, he's not. Dan Savage, send that in. Let us know. Is that his name?
00:23:00
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No. I'll let you cook. Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. Any good one-liners. I think we've already covered the Jesus Christ is Jason Vaughn. Yeah, there's nothing better than that. yeah but But I have one that I like because it's a turning point, kind of ah a realization like the spotlight flips.
00:23:20
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And I do like this one. I remember.
00:23:25
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I remember everything. Nice. Not bad. Not bad. Yeah, it's a good one. No, I mean, is there anything more iconic than Jesus Christ as Jason Bourne? Yeah.
00:23:37
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I have a bonus category, a fun fact, if you will. I also like doing a little bit of research on actual casting couch choices. And there were some other actors considered to play Jason Bourne.
00:23:50
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And of course, this was before the movie was fully created, right? so So some of these names don't seem to match, but it's because of Jason Bourne. The movie was in still in concept and they didn't know what it was going to be like. Do you guys know of any?
00:24:02
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I have a list of about five guys here. I don't know if you're you're familiar with it. Wait, but you're saying no that we might not recognize most of the, all of the names? No, no, no You'll recognize the name. Sure, sure, sure. Interesting. I could maybe guess Tom Cruise. Yep. That would be one of the names. yeah Yep.
00:24:20
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I mean, we are, he's already Ethan Hunt. that He's going be both of them. I mean, come on. Ben Affleck. Nope. Really? Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt. Yes. Mark Wahlberg.
00:24:31
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Nope. Ooh, that's a good guess though. Good guess. All right. You got two of the five. The other three that are widely known as being considered Russell Crowe. Oh, it was near a gladiator, gladiator period. So he had, he was, could have been an action star Sean Penn.
00:24:48
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Interesting. And Sylvester Stallone. Wow. Interesting. Yep. I'm so glad Damon got it. He's he's so good in that role.
00:24:59
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Yeah, absolutely. Sean Penn. That might've been okay. It could have been really gritty. yeah Yeah. And before we leave extra categories, I want to throw this out there as honorable mention, because I brought it up in Indiana Jones is having one of the most iconic music scores of movies.
00:25:15
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Same thing with this trilogy, Extreme Ways by Moby. You hear that drop there and you're like, holy shit, it's Jason Bourne. Yep. Yeah. What's Moby up to right now? Shaving his head.
00:25:26
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yeah Yeah. Can you tag Moby? I want to know what he's up to. Yeah. He's a listener too, I think. Yeah.
00:25:41
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Hey, you want to switch to Mills? Let's do it. We know that a couple of weeks ago, he defeated Ip Man, and he did it pretty
Brian Mills' Past Victories
00:25:50
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decisively. It was three votes to zero, and i think we all agree that not only did we all lean towards Mills, but we leaned toward Mills in a big way.
00:25:59
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How did he win? Quite a large weight advantage and height advantage. Definitely. Unfortunately for Ip Man, yeah, I don't think there was any hand-to-hand that Ip Man could have brought at Brian Mills that he wouldn't have been able to handle.
00:26:15
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Yeah, Brian Mills himself has some really great hand-to-hand skills, just like Jason Bourne. I think, yeah, he would have gone toe-to-toe with it, man, and more. Obviously, as we decided, he he defeated him.
00:26:27
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Yeah, Brian Mills, he's got weapons experience in a way that Ip Man doesn't. You know, Ip Man's got sores and things like that. But in the modern day, Brian Mills' head is really in it. Let's also talk about the you know the warrior mindset. Yes, Ip Man is a warrior in the sense that he's into the martial art and teaching it and things like that. But he's he's not really a to-the-death fighter. That's not his nature. He's the reluctant fighter. That's the character that he played.
00:26:51
Speaker
Brian Mills is a fucking angry, torturous motherfucker. He does this stuff for fun. Like he just brings a different level of intensity to the game that you don't see there. And I think this is two interesting matchups for Mills. He beat Ip Man, who at that time, remember we were saying, God, Ip Man might be the best pure hand-to-hand fighter in this whole tournament. And now Mills moves up against Jason Bourne, who also might be the very top of the list in hand-to-hand. And it's not like Mills is a slouch in hand to hand. That's for sure. Because shit, I mean, could Mills be top 10 hand to hand? I mean, he he he has extreme skills there.
00:27:28
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But for me, the reason Mills easily beat Ip Man, it comes down to this. And Jordan just touched on it. Ip Man, very passive. He fights with honor. He's bowing it to his opponents. He gives his opponents kind of a chance to change. Mills just absolutely doesn't have that gene in his body. He's just remorseless. I remember he shoots an innocent woman in the arm while she's serving him dinner. Basically he, he electrocuted a guy who already told him everything he knew, you know, he couldn't help him find Marco from Trapoya or whatever. fuck So when the guy says, no, no, you got to believe me. You got to believe me. Mills goes, I do believe you, but that's not going to save you. And he cranks up the juice and electrocutes the dude and just walks away. So that gap right there between honor and brutality between these two guys, that's why Mills won this fight. And you know what? That's exactly why he's going to give Jason Bourne a real problem here today.
00:28:30
Speaker
Speaking of Brian Mills giving a problem, shall we hit the gauntlet 2.0 with Mills? Let's do it. All right. First category here. At what age could we take him? So Brian Mills, we only see him in his 50s, but we know he was a badass CIA operative and he had a hell of a lot of experience before this. But what do you guys think?
00:28:47
Speaker
He's pretty big. He's pretty huge. But I think, you know, when you like become, know, as you become a teenager, you hit a growth spurt and you start to get taller and you're all gangly and awkward and shit. I definitely went through that. don't about you guys. You guys are kind of short. No, I was yoked. I was yoked at a young age. You were yoked the whole think I could take him at about 14 when he's just at that stage of his life.
00:29:12
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. You know what? I think 13. So I don't know. I don't know. I'll bump it up. No, I'm going stick at 13. He's a big guy. He might've been a bigger 13 year old. I don't know, but I could one hundred percent take him. I think I can take any 13 in the world.
00:29:28
Speaker
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00:29:45
Speaker
If you want to see something terrifying, go look at Mike Tyson when he was 12 years old. and And I would not take on Mike Tyson. Oh my God. He looks like Mike Tyson is a 20 year old. Wait, but so I know jujitsu. Jordan is going to do FMA soon. Steve, what do you have?
00:30:05
Speaker
you You're breaking up a little. ah
00:30:12
Speaker
I have a lot of wet work experience. Okay, Steve's got the water sports department. um What about you, Jordan? I'm giving myself the the benefit of the doubt. I'm to say i could take him at 18.
00:30:26
Speaker
Ooh, wow. Reason behind that. Yep. Reason behind that. He's going to be taller than me, but I'm going to say that our yeah weight advantage would not necessarily be there. I'd say I'd be at least as strong as him. And most of his skills we know came from his CIA operative training and all the stuff that he did when he became a professional. So this is right before he started his professional career in the training that we know of.
00:30:49
Speaker
So I'm going to say he has no training. He's just a big guy about my weight and strength. And I'm going to say we're going toe to toe. i pay I pay to see it. this is out This is just crazy. Liam Neeson, call in.
00:31:01
Speaker
send Send me a picture of you at 18, Liam Neeson. I want to see what I'm dealing with. Liam Neeson could take you right now. He's like 70. Well, of course he could take me right now. I'm not saying Brian Mills. I'm saying Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson's like 70. All right, hold on, hold I'm pulling this up. The best article here is from Pinterest. 20 images of young Liam Neeson.
00:31:22
Speaker
Okay. Oh my God. That's a lot of denim. He's probably pretty skinny, right? Jordan's juns running running on like five hours of sleep a night. So yeah I wouldn't be surprised if a 70 year old could be in.
00:31:35
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. a Speaking of who would win in a one-on-one fight here, Hell in a Cell. Who do you think would win between Brian Mills and Jason Bourne in a one-on-one? We're talking about a cage match here right now.
00:31:49
Speaker
Out of 10 times, cause I can see an argument for both of them right there. It's a great category. Steve talked about at the beginning, how, you know, these are two heavyweights and I mentioned that this is like the UFC matchup that you wait for all year. This would be an amazing fight to see in a cage. They, I think would go toe to toe, both hand to hand boxing style, maybe some kicks in there as well, but just, yeah, really great
Analyzing Bourne's Fighting Style
00:32:15
Speaker
hand to hand. And I think I got to give it to Jason Bourne.
00:32:19
Speaker
He doesn't have the weight advantage or the height advantage, but ah he does have the age advantage. And i kind of see Brian Mills as like maybe one of those guys that would be coming out of retirement to make a quick buck going against a young guy. Mike Tyson. You've seen it a lot recently. Yeah, I'm going ah Jason Bourne eight out of 10 times.
00:32:41
Speaker
Eight out of 10. Okay. Yeah, I love this category. And I you know i do ah all my research before this, so it's already written down. I've already decided. I've already done this research. But I think my answer is insane, but I totally stand by it.
00:32:54
Speaker
I think Mills is just really an elite hand-to-hand fighter. I think he's great. I think it would be an incredible fight to watch. He just tears through entire groups of thugs, you know, just like it's nothing. Total mayhem.
00:33:05
Speaker
With all that said, i got Mills winning zero out of ten. Yeah. Is that nuts? Am I nuts? That's pretty crazy. Like, I'm not get one, get at least one in there because just because his, his hand to hand, like he's got rich films, he's got some reach. he's a big mountain That's a great point. Yeah.
00:33:26
Speaker
Yeah. You, you crazy. i yeah i'm I'm kind of with you. I'm right with you guys. I'm eight out of 10 from Bourne here. And that's only because Mills is bigger. or Mills has reach. And going to give you an example right now.
00:33:38
Speaker
Here are two scenes where they were in the exact same situation at the start of Taken 3, where the two police officers come up to Brian Mills, where his dead wife is an ex-wife is in front of him. There are two police there with guns to his head. And then he does a bum, bum, bum, disarms them and knocks them both out.
00:33:55
Speaker
Then if you think of Jason Bourne in the airport where he's in that interrogation room and there's the guard and the other guy who pulled the guns on him, blah, blah, blah. Same thing takes him out. Those scenes look way fucking different. Watch those back to back. What you're seeing is like a slower, less athletic Jason Bourne, what Brian Mills is doing. They're doing the same things, but they're not getting it done at the same intensity. And that's why Jason Bourne takes it.
00:34:17
Speaker
That's a good take. That's really good breakdown. This is why Jordan is the highest paid co-host on the show. Yeah.
00:34:26
Speaker
How about casting couch? Could he play the other guy's role? That's a good question. And there's a lot of there's a lot of no way. but um And remember, where this is this is Mills. This is a Mills category. So could Liam Neeson play Jason Bourne?
00:34:41
Speaker
yeah Totally. Yeah, definitely. yeah you know it's like It would be a slower movie. Well, he's he is like Jason Bourne growing up. Yeah. you know Mills is an older version of Born, right? That's it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:54
Speaker
Hey, are you guys familiar with this? A movie called Unknown? No. Liam Neeson stars. He plays a doctor who wakes up in in Berlin.
00:35:04
Speaker
He's got amnesia. His wife doesn't recognize him. Another guy stole his identity. It turns out, holy shit, he's great at violence. He can kill people. And that's, that's because that's because what a surprise. He's actually a highly trained assassin who forgot he was an assassin. Oh my God. yeah This is like such a ripoff.
00:35:27
Speaker
I'm looking it up. That's 2011. So at that point, all three Bourne movies had come out and they were like, fuck it. We're going rip it off. Yeah. but The Bourne retirement. Great name.
00:35:38
Speaker
God, that was on the nose, Chris. Awesome. here Here's a question, and that I think there's a solid answer here. Who should he have killed that he did not kill? Are we thinking Kim because she's so fucking annoying?
00:35:52
Speaker
What is this, Dexter? Who would win in a fight? Rita from Dexter or Kim, the taken girl who got taken three times? It's going to be the taken girl, i'm going to say.
00:36:06
Speaker
I feel like we're missing the obvious answer of, I had to look up his name, Jean-Claude Petrel, the corrupt French intelligence agent who absolutely sold him out. Not only should Brian Mills have killed him, it's kind of fucked up the only thing he did was shoot his innocent wife. Like, what the fuck, Brian Mills? If there's anyone you should have killed, you're shooting the wrong guy.
00:36:27
Speaker
ah All right, hold on. I'm feeling good about this next category here. What is an ideal tag team partner for Brian Mills? And WWF style name for it.
00:36:38
Speaker
Like we said, Mills is an older Jason Bourne. They're very similar. I'm actually going to pair up Mills and Bourne together. Here's the thing. They never smile and they're both always chased.
00:36:50
Speaker
That's why their team name is Wanted, Deadpan or Alive. Oh.
00:36:58
Speaker
You stole my idea. had the same idea. Did you? Yeah. You had Bourne? Yeah, it feels like Brian Mills is just Jason Bourne all grown up. feel like they could have that classic WWF matchup where they beat the shit out of each other, but then at the end, they're like, you know what, dude, you're all right. And they end up teaming up.
00:37:19
Speaker
almost like a father son duo. Okay. Well, those are, that's awesome. Of course. How about this one? b Brian Mills and Joel Miller. I wouldn't say that their styles line up perfectly, but I'm kind of going with the fatherly protector angle and I'll call them the dad bods.
00:37:36
Speaker
Nice. Nice. Hey, so you all, you watched all three of the Bourne movies, you know, the three big ones, Identity, Supremacy, and Ultimatum. Tell me if you saw this evolution in the, in the three movies.
00:37:50
Speaker
In Identity, Bourne was totally on defense. It's just all about survival and evading the people who were chasing him. In Supremacy, he's on defense, but then retaliatory offense. So it's like he kind of flips the switch just a little bit.
00:38:05
Speaker
But then in Ultimatum, 100% offense. He's totally the hunter in that one. Did you guys check out that kind of evolution in his character changing a little bit and the dynamic? Definitely. He, he evolves and grows throughout the three films. Yeah. I think it can be summed up by how he just gets coy at the very end. This might've, I'm not sure if this is the last line of the last movie, but when he's talking to that CIA lady and he says, you look tired, you should get some rest.
00:38:33
Speaker
You know, it's that point where it's like, oh shit. He's the one holding the cards now. Is that Pam Landy? I think so. i don't, is it, am I saying the name right? Is it Pam or Pam?
00:38:46
Speaker
I think there's an an N in there somewhere. Like P-A-M-N? Yes. Or is it a B, like calm?
00:38:55
Speaker
All right, that's enough of that. We're leaving that one in. That one killed. that That is going to kill. that is gonna All right.
00:39:13
Speaker
let's Let's get into some open discussion because we're right around the corner from the verdict here. so let's Let's start with any favorite moments, signature scenes, or or anything that you guys want to specifically point out to kick off here this last segment.
00:39:27
Speaker
I've got to go to what I think is Jason Bourne's ultimate fight scene. In the Bourne ultimatum, we see him. I had to look this guy's name up. Desh Boussani. So that's the assassin in the third movie there who has the like badass bathroom fight scene with Jason Bourne. Here's how good that scene is. If you go on YouTube, there's a video called Jason Bourne versus Desh Boussani with health bars. And it's like video game health bars for the two of these two as they beat the shit out of each other.
00:39:55
Speaker
It is for me, it's the quintessential James Bourne action fight scene. And it is fucking badass. James Bourne. You said it again. Look out for him.
00:40:09
Speaker
That has to be his toughest opponent in hand-to-hand combat. The bathroom scene where they're just up close and personal and he's killing him with a bathroom towel. Yeah, I'm yeah glad you brought that up. I actually do have a little list here that I just made. it might not be complete, but I just jotted these down.
00:40:27
Speaker
a list of household items that I saw born successfully using as a weapon. We had the towel, the pen we talked about. The magazine is my favorite, especially when he jams it in the toaster. The toaster is another one, um, a phone cord or a charger, whatever you want to call it. And, uh, I liked, I also liked the vodka.
00:40:45
Speaker
He's just spits the vodka and and to burn a guy's eyes. And, um, a canister of hairspray, a broomstick. So yes, I love i love that. And and you know we're not at this point, we're we're saying this because he doesn't need a weapon. He could be ah blindsided, totally out of the blue. He doesn't know he's being hunted yet even, right?
00:41:06
Speaker
And it doesn't matter because he can find a weapon somewhere. Yeah, I think what i loved about the films is that through each act, there's, you know, usually at the end of each act is what you might call a boss fight. He's facing the toughest, most ruthless ah killers that the CIA is throwing at him. And the fights that he is in are just absolutely brutal.
00:41:33
Speaker
And he can take an absolute beating, but he always comes out on top. um And he's he's doing this against, like I said, the best, most well-trained fighters that these countries can throw at him. So I think that's something to be said.
00:41:48
Speaker
And he's usually blindsided by them, but he is reactive and quick enough to to beat them. The quality of competition is really important in these movies because there are no jabronis in this tournament. So if you're out killing jabronis, how does that translate to you being able to beat Rambo or to beat John Wick?
00:42:08
Speaker
It doesn't. I think if if we wanted to switch to talking about Brian Mills, I would say that he definitely has the skills, but he is kind of out fighting jabronis. They're mostly ah thugs, gangsters. They're not necessarily very well trained. I mean, come on, at the end of Taken 2, he's fucking fighting some fat dude in a tracksuit as the final boss. So, yeah ah you know, it's like apples and oranges here between the different opponents that they faced.
00:42:35
Speaker
I think that's a good point. let Let me say something about Mills, though. There was a crazy scene that does point to incredible skills that are going to translate to this matchup. I think this was in number two. He's like stuffed in a trunk of a car. i can't remember if he was blindfolded or not, but he was in the trunk of the car. So we had no idea where he was going. But instead of being panicked or whatever, he starts creating his own map in his brain, which is bizarre. I don't know if it's possible, but I saw Mills do it. So I'm believing that it is. He he hears a ferry horn, so he knows he's near the water. he kind of gains an idea of what direction he's going. He feels speed bumps. He can track every turn that the car makes. He's counting second and you know how many seconds to kind of estimate the distance between
00:43:20
Speaker
between turns and average speed and things like that. He's like a computer in his head, no vision, no tools. He's just got pure situational awareness. And it's kind of a superhuman ability to read the environment around him so that he knew where he was without actually seeing where he was. And I think that is, is absolutely huge and an argument for Mills to be frank.
00:43:41
Speaker
Were there any ah favorite moments that stood out to you, Jordan, or I guess Steve, those, that was definitely a favorite moment, but that are more showcasing Brian Mills skills. Yeah. I have a big X factor for Mills. I don't know if we're there yet But one thing that we have to remember is the format of this tournament. They get an envelope with the other other person's name on it.
00:44:02
Speaker
okay And we know that the second Mills gets that envelope with that with Bourne's name on it, we know he's going to find even the great Jason Bourne. He's perhaps the best ever. I'm talking about Jason Bourne now.
00:44:18
Speaker
Might be the best ever at hiding in plain sight. And I have some good examples of that. And evading capture. But I'm still convinced that Brian Mills will find anybody and it won't take him that long. Remember, he found fucking Peter in the first take in like an hour.
00:44:33
Speaker
He was in L.A. Peter was in in Paris. OK, he found that dude in no time. And that's a skill that has to be strongly considered because of the format of the tournament. has to do with handing someone an envelope and says, here, go find this person. Mills will find that person. And that puts Mills on offense and Bourne on defense. So we do have to consider that.
00:44:54
Speaker
So theres there's no question that I think he's going to find him. I think you're right. I think he is the number one tracker by far. But my question is, is it enough? So I'm thinking right now in the second movie, kind of near the opening scene. So you see Bourne with his girlfriend there. And you see that level of perception he has.
00:45:13
Speaker
yeah they were in They were in India. And just immediately walking around the streets, he's like, I got a bad vibe off this guy. And it's the other assassin coming off of him. And he just goes into Jason Bourne mode immediately.
Bourne's Perception and Defense
00:45:24
Speaker
And then his girlfriend's like, are you sure? Are you sure? He's like, I'm fucking sure i have this high level of perception. i can see stuff happening before it happens.
00:45:32
Speaker
So that, that was, that was a real nod to Jason Bourne's ability to pick up on tracking right there. You hit it on the nose, Steve. This is like a perfect matchup that we could ask for in this tournament with Mills being, The tracker and Bourne being the Aveda. And it would just be a very interesting and and cool movie to see Mills trying to get it Bourne escaping.
00:45:55
Speaker
But when they do finally, I think, meet in in a room, all hell is going to break loose. If this was a a fight that we were promoting right now and we had to put a big tagline, it's going to be hide and seek.
00:46:08
Speaker
Under hyde you're going to born and then under seek, you're going to Brian Mills born as an expert hider. Mills is an expert seeker. Oh man, that's awesome. I wish we could do that. Do we have a production studio backing right now?
00:46:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. let but Let's get that made. Get on that. So I think we're all on the same page in terms of what are their skill sets. And I kind of painted an X factor, which is really something how we have to consider in favor of of each guy. So that was for Mills. I want to tie it to an X factor for Bourne. I talked about Mills' advantage.
00:46:42
Speaker
Here's where that advantage that I just just described becomes a a little bit fuzzy. Bourne doesn't seem to really have a style, quote unquote. he kind of becomes whatever that moment requires. And he does it like in an instant, just the blink of an eye. And he changes a style to whatever's needed. And most of our elite fighters in the FFC, they have a distinct plan and Bourne actually doesn't. And Bourne,
00:47:08
Speaker
It's not a disadvantage. The reason he doesn't have a plan is because he doesn't need a plan. And he adapts faster than anybody we've ever seen so far in the tournament. And also, you know, we already have great shooters. We already have great hand-to-hand fighters. We already have ma master ah tactician. Bourne is, to me, top tier in all of those categories. And I'm not seeing many weaknesses for this guy.
00:47:31
Speaker
His improvisation is on another level in You got to think that in these situations, improvisation is to to have that as a skill is one of the biggest X factors you can ask for.
00:47:44
Speaker
Because these types of matchups that you don't know what's going to happen and you could be anywhere. And um there's really no training for that unless you're really good at improvisation. Here's where I worry for Mills. I'm thinking Path to Victory right now. you know Mills is the ultimate tracker. He's going to find him. He's he's really going to have to take Jason Bourne by surprise.
00:48:08
Speaker
But when I think to Mills' style, that's really not his style. When I think about how he takes people on, it's dramatic confrontations. That's how he meets all of his enemies. And then he has... You know, it's fucking Liam Neeson. He's going to do some crazy dialogue with some insane quotable shit and then get into some kind of cool battle right there. But if he's having that kind of face off, Jason Bourne, Jesus Christ, that's someone we don't want to be in a room with. We talked about Hell in a Cell, you know, hand to hand. We know who's taking it here.
00:48:34
Speaker
when it comes to weapons i don't know jason born delta force this guy's a force to be reckoned with so path to victory i'm seeing for brian mills has to be an absolute blind side he's gonna have to i think he's gonna have to let a little bit of his nature go and and really take born fully by surprise One of Mills' is biggest X-Factors is the ability to create chaos in the moment that he uses to his advantage. Because he's usually sort of surrounded by 10 guys, he tends to get into these close quarters, gunfights and ah fistfights and
00:49:11
Speaker
He's thrown guys around. There's a lot of gunfire and he makes it seem so effortless in the way that he handles the situation. And I think if he can create that that chaos when he is in close quarters with Jason Bourne, I think he has a real chance of winning.
00:49:31
Speaker
I think that's a good take. And knowing how Mills works and knowing how Bourne works, I think Mills, in order for him to win, his path to victory is stalking him, of course, finding him.
00:49:43
Speaker
and then potentially injuring him so that when that faceoff happens, now we're back to even terms. And then he has the chance. And I'm not spelling out a one in a million chance here. I think I'm spelling out something that would practically be the game plan for Mills when he's doing this. So I think it's very possible. And I think that's how he would have to approach this thing.
00:50:06
Speaker
Now it's time to settle the score.
00:50:18
Speaker
Now, last question here, guys. Are we to the point where you're ready to give a verdict or do you have anything else that you wanted to bring up that is crucial before we get there? I think um I'm ready to get my verdict now.
00:50:31
Speaker
I've got it. you think so? Yeah. Okay. Chris, you think you're good with this? Yeah, I'm ready. You're not leaving anything on the table? I think I'm ready for the verdict too. All right. I can go first if you want. Sure.
00:50:42
Speaker
So we talked about this. i went through the exercise of figuring out how can Mills do it And how can Bourne do it? And after doing that, I do absolutely believe that Mills could win this matchup.
00:50:57
Speaker
Mostly the outcome depends on which Bourne he's facing. Is this the identity Bourne? who's defensive and reactive and kind of figuring out who he is.
00:51:09
Speaker
I think Mills can hunt that guy down and maybe finish him. I think it'd be a fair fight. Mills is the ultimate tracker. When he commits to a target, that target ends up dead. I mean, that's it. And it doesn't take him that long. We've said that before. But here's the problem.
00:51:22
Speaker
Bourne does not stay that guy that he was in identity. Mills is super devastating when he's hunting, when he's stalking, but Bourne's entire arc across all three of those movies is learning when to stop running and then start turning the hunt in his, to his favor. And he becomes the hunter in identity. He's all defense. We talked about this in supremacy. He's defensive, but he is retaliatory, right? We said that and then ultimatum, boom, he's a fucking hunter. He's hunting the people that are hunting him. And, and, you know, we talked about all that. So that evolution matters in this matchup.
00:51:58
Speaker
Mills might be the best tracker in this whole tournament. He probably is, but Bourne is the rare opponent. I think who can actually absorb that pressure and flip the script on Mills. He could just take control mid fight. And once Bourne goes on offense, there's not a reset button on this guy. There's no surprise that's going to disarm him. There's no angle that he hasn't already accounted for. And and there's just not an environment that Bourne can't weaponize. Mills is a completely ruthless assassin, but in this case, Bourne, he's a machine. He's a finely tuned machine. And in this matchup, sad to say, because Mills is one of my favorites, the machine wins this one.
00:52:41
Speaker
I got Jason Bourne advancing. That was a great analysis. Great breakdown as usual, Steve. Thank you. What do you guys got?
Final Thoughts: Mills vs. Bourne
00:52:51
Speaker
This is a really tough one for me. It's such a close fight.
00:52:56
Speaker
They are so similar in so many ways. They they both have very similar skills, similar backgrounds. Mills' memory is better. which gives him a leg up maybe. And it's really just the perfect matchup, I think, in thinking about this tournament's format in that you're having to track down someone and and kill them. And Mills falls into that perfectly. He would be able to track down Bourne very easily. We know that.
00:53:29
Speaker
Bourne has the evasion skills, but like we've said, Mills would use all the skills at hand to find him and find him he will. And it really just comes down to, I think, once they are face to face, who is gonna come out on top? And Mills is perfect at creating carnage. um I think he's a real heavyweight hitter. Bourne has more finesse. And so you could really, i think, see him taking a beating from Mills with Mills having the size, you know, height and weight advantage. I really see Mills coming out on top. However, I think that Mills is a little too slow. He's a little too over the hill.
00:54:16
Speaker
I think no matter how much he beats on Bourne, Bourne is going to keep coming back again and again and again, i think. You know, as he's being hunted by Mills, he's going to evade.
00:54:28
Speaker
He's going to escape. If he's finally pinned down by Mills, we've seen so many times that Bourne fights against the absolute elites. And no matter how much he's beaten on, he always comes out the victor.
00:54:43
Speaker
Mills, on the other hand, is fighting against quite a few jabronis. And I don't think he fights against anyone who is at quite the caliber that Jason Bourne is at. And so all that being said, despite how strong of a contender Mills is, Jason Bourne is just too skilled. He's too quick. He's too strong. And he defeats Mills here.
00:55:06
Speaker
That's two to nothing, in Jordan. It doesn't matter, but welcome to my world. I usually go last and it's already over, but we want to hear your take. But before I even did my research, I thought this was going to be a fucking blowout.
00:55:19
Speaker
You know, Jason Bourne would win this by a mile because he is Jason Bourne. That's like saying, you know, Rambo is going to beat the man with no name. It's like, it's for obvious reasons. But after watching all of all of this over and over again, like I'm starting to see things in Mills that Bourne might not have. We know that he's the ultimate tracker.
00:55:38
Speaker
We know that he's going to find Jason Bourne. We also know that Brian Mills is arguably more ruthless. We see him killing all the people that's that are in his way, and we see Bourne hesitating.
00:55:50
Speaker
for people he sees as innocent, whether it's other assassins or bystanders and things like that. And we see Mills absolutely committed to the rage and the fight right there. the The way I'm seeing this with Mills being the better tracker in this scenario, his approach is going to be setting up a trap where, you know, Jason Bourne's getting cocky by the third movie. He's finding people who aren't supposed to be found. Mills is going to set a trap where he's going to let Bourne think that he found him.
00:56:15
Speaker
but he won't realize that he's about to get fucked. I'm going to say eight out of 10 times Mills is going to have the advantage on the setup. And so that puts it in an interesting place because we know when it comes down to, you know, being a warrior and handto- hand to hand of weapons and all that, Bourne's got it eight, nine, 10 out of 10 times. He's going to take it there. Mills is a slower Jason Bourne. So who does it come down to then? Yeah.
00:56:39
Speaker
I think you guys have all made good points, and I don't think I need to rehash what you already said. There's a reason there's memes about this guy. Jason Bourne is a legend. He's going to take the victory here. Jesus Christ.
00:56:51
Speaker
That's Jason Bourne. I imagine that little phone that rings at the beginning of that soundbite is Mills calling him.
00:57:04
Speaker
You know what? Somebody's going to show up for one of these fights, get an envelope thinking it's going to be Anton Chigurh.
00:57:12
Speaker
And it's going to be Jason Bourne. I wouldn't i wouldn't want to fight Anton Chigurh either. They're a little different athletically, at least. Yeah. Should we give a spoiler? Who's Anton Chigurh facing next?
00:57:25
Speaker
Is it going to be Jason Bourne? Yeah, it might be. Let's see. Oh, shit. Oh! Jason Bourne and Anton Chigurh. Oh, no way. Oh, nice.
00:57:38
Speaker
All right, guys, we have Jason Bourne advancing. Brian Mills put up a good fight, but I'm sorry. You're out. It's a goddamn fact. Jason Bourne advances.
00:57:49
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And because I'm in such a good mood, let's spoil next week. Next week, we have the second fight of Chance Boudreaux from Hard Target. You know, Jean-Claude Van Damme against making his FFC debut, Robert McCall from The Equalizer, played by Denzel Washington. Ooh.
00:58:08
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Another one of my all-time favorites. We just keep bringing the heat.
00:58:16
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and I'm Steve Sadler. I don't know who you are I'm Jordan Guerrero. Jesus Christ.
00:58:27
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That's Jason Bourne.
00:58:30
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Please give us a follow on Instagram. Even better, hit follow on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to us. If you don't... I will look for you. I will find you.
00:58:43
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And I will kill you.