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Today, we are analyzing Chapter 14: Snape's Grudge | 1:12:21 - 1:19:11
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Introduction to Peabes' Gap Fest
00:00:20
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Welcome to Peabes' Gap Fest, a chapter by chapter page to screen analysis of the Harry Potter series. I'm Sarah Day. I'm James. And I'm Meeks. And today we're analyzing chapter 14, Snape Scrudge. This is an hour and 12 minutes and 21 seconds to about an hour and 19 minutes and 11 seconds. Before we start gabbing, a quick spoiler warning. We tend to use our vast knowledge of the Wizarding World to compare the page to the screen, which means we may gab about moments that happen later in the books or the films. So you've been warned, Ickle-Firsties.
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Missing Details in Film Adaptation
00:03:02
Speaker
�� Welcome back, listeners. So this is yet another chapter where a lot is cut from the book, but I feel like we'll still have a lot to say. um does anything like Is there anything that really sticks out to either one of you that you want to discuss off the bat?
00:03:33
Speaker
Um, for me, um a lot of it was the fighting between Harry and Ron and Hermione and how much that was like downplayed in the movie. And so that it's just, you know, it's really big for their friendship development whenever something like this happens in the books. And so I wish that they would have kept more of those details in the films. Yeah, I agree. I wrote that down as well. I said the lack of Hermione tension in the movie is is pretty prominent after reading the chapter. I think not having the consequences of Sirius being in the in the castle a second time kind of be an overarching feature. um What's the word I'm looking for?
00:04:26
Speaker
not like doesn't take anything away per se because they didn't add it into the movie but like it would have added more tension to the idea that somebody is after Harry and so not not having that included kind of like doesn't it's like missing the nail when you're trying to ham hammer it on the head kind of scenario. Like you're you're getting all these nice beats but then like you hit your finger instead. I don't i don't know what I'm saying. So the point is is like not having that
00:05:03
Speaker
that tension of should we be going to Hogsmeade, should we not be going to Hogsmeade, should we um maybe forego the situation, you know, the whole Neville getting getting banned from Hogwarts and having to deal with the consequences, the trolls patrolling the Gryffindor corridor. um All of those things that are we we get within like the first two or three pages of the chapter, is it necessarily there at all because it wasn't something that they addressed. And so I feel like it would have upped the ante a little bit and it would have made it would have made the fact that Sirius Black is somebody that they're trying to catch a little bit more, like, oh, we're trying to get Sirius here because he's gotten into Hogwarts twice.
00:05:55
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if I'm making any sense. Yeah. um I mean, we we had the bit with the portrait of the fat lady being torn apart, but even that I think was really watered down in the film.
Ron Weasley's Heroic Moment Missing
00:06:08
Speaker
um So cutting this portion really takes away that fear. And the fear of the film is really like the dementors, whereas in the book it's the, it's Sirius Black and and the lingering kind of overarching doom um of of him trying to find Harry.
00:06:29
Speaker
Additionally, like cutting that out, you miss this whole moment for Ronald, where he gets to be the hero, I think is what he he gets the all the attention. And they specifically make point of him finally getting that, which I thought was really important to showcase in the book, because In the next book, Harry gets his name called in the Goblet of Fire and that really affects Ron. And this is a great foreshadowing to him.
00:07:03
Speaker
wanting that spotlight and that gives more credence in the next book when he gets that not taken away from him, but again, he's overshadowed by Harry. And so um missing out on that moment for Ron, I think sucks as well. And I think that would be a great montage for the show is Ron telling his story and and it getting more and more I thought the same um like intense and crazy and unrela unrealistic yeah as each as the montage goes on. And then it ending in the line where um he's like, well, why didn't he like kill me? And then it goes into that conversation between him and Harry.
00:07:50
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Yeah that would be kind of cool. It'd be fun to like also in this montage have other students telling the story too like the telephone game where you know like other students are like and then I heard that this happened and this happened and it gets more and more ridiculous you know I think that'd be fun to see. It becomes a tall tale. Yeah.
Continuity Error Discussion
00:08:12
Speaker
There's a continuity error that I would love to discuss in the film. It has nothing to do with what's written on the pages, but when they're at the lake with Hagrid and he's telling them about how the hearing went and that he's been sentenced to death, when Hagrid is speaking and it's looking at Hagrid and then the trio are in the background,
00:08:36
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And he says his line, Harry stands up from the rock and Hermione kind of hugs herself, or like looks away. And then there's a shot, it zooms out from behind everybody. And Harry is back sitting on the rock and Hermione is not like hugging herself anymore. It's just a very slight continuity error. But I love I always pick those out. Oh, I like my spotting continuity errors too. I know. I wish that that could be my job. that That's like kind of a big one. It's surprising when um when things like that don't get caught in movies of this caliber. It was almost like the scene was just added in. Maybe it was a re-show. It was like, yeah, well, it not necessarily. It was like they
00:09:23
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It it was shot before that line and then they stuck it back in there. It was like the beginning shot and then the same end shot, but it was the same almost like the same shot instead of. Refilming a new one or something, I don't know, but it took me out of it for a minute. Interesting, you have to pay attention to that next time I watch it to anything else.
Harry's Treatment of Neville
00:09:47
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Something I wanted to maybe touch on a little bit was uh poor Neville trying to uh trying to feel not alone he went and did this big mistake and he's just like oh yeah Harry's still here I don't have to be by myself and Harry's just trying to ditch the poor guy yeah I really just like gosh dang Harry when did we come so mean
00:10:16
Speaker
yeah I wrote that down too. I don't like it at all. I'm wondering if like, that was more of a product of its time, you know, like if she were to write those books now, if she would have included a detail like that. Because I feel like that sort of behavior was still not something that perhaps like the three of us would do. But I feel like something like that was a little bit more common, you know, back in the 90s, early 2000s. And so I'm wondering if nowadays, if that wouldn't be included in a book like this, you know.
00:10:51
Speaker
Are we talking about how he's like at the witch's hump and trying to go to Hogsmeade and he's like oh I was gonna go to the library and like just kind of like covering up for himself because I don't necessarily see that as being mean to Neville when he when he tells Neville that he forgot his potions homework or something in the library and so when Neville gets into the portrait hole and then he just ditches him and goes to Hogsmeade. I think what Meigs is touching on is that it's very obvious I think to Harry and to the ah and to the readers that Neville wants company and he wants to, you know, he's trying to reach out to Harry and Harry's very obviously blatantly trying to avoid him kind of scenario. Not because he doesn't like Neville, it's more more more more likely he he he does want to go to Hogsmeade more, but at the same time it
00:11:47
Speaker
yeah It brings back some memories of when people would do that ah you know to other people. and me Me included, i would I would have experiences where I was at school and I would try to hang out with somebody and they would come up with a random excuse and try to get rid of me. they It was very obvious and it was something that I think happened a lot because it it was portrayed in our media a lot, but, you know, a lot of 19, sorry, 1990s movies and too early 2000s TV shows, when it evolved school stuff, it had always involved somebody maybe trying to ditch that friend who was reaching out to them or or all that stuff. But then they come back and and realize it later as they like, Oh, like I shouldn't have done that. I was being selfish. I was being mean. Um,
00:12:41
Speaker
And so it kind of just, it stands out a little bit because like Neville's just trying to find some comfort in this big mistake that he's just had and Harry's ditching him for Hogwarts. And it's just like it's a part of Harry's character that isn't mentioned or outshined as much because he he it's that selfish part of him it's not necessarily the i don't even think it's him being selfish or malicious or anything like i think he's he doesn't want neville to know he's sneaking off and doing something he's not supposed to be doing i don't think he's trying to be mean to neville or trying to necessarily avoid neville himself i think he's just trying to avoid getting caught unless i'm thinking about something different than what you guys are talking about i mean maybe we just all have different opinions on how
00:13:32
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this happened. I feel like it was really it was rude like ah Harry could have just said like Neville I don't really feel like hanging out right now but instead he pretended like oh I'll be right back and then he just ditched him like to me that's super mean and well maybe I missed the line of him saying I'll be right back yeah he said that he he came up with the excuse of he forgot his vampire essay in the library and then left after he put Neville back into the comment room with the password
00:14:00
Speaker
Yeah, I guess that part is. So we know it just seems if we were trying to hang out with her in the common room. OK, going back to the fact that it wasn't that he did not want to hang out with Neville, it was that he was trying not to get caught for sneaking out. muchhire
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that
00:14:23
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Anyway, that was all cut from the film. course I mean, of course it was. um They had to add in Harry um flying around on Buckbeak. And so and they had to use their budget to do that. I don't really have much else for as far as my notes for this part, like before they go into Hogsmeade. Or I guess they go to Hagrid's before they go to Hogsmeade, right?
00:14:54
Speaker
Yeah, they do go to Hagrid's before they go to Hogsmeade and that's when Hagrid has the conversation about Hermione wanting to still be friends with them and that, you know, it brings us back to that not having that tension between Ron and Hermione and Harry. ah Be absent from the film, which ah I'll say this outright. Being absent from the film doesn't necessarily bother me too much because I've come to the conclusion that the film was made with certain parameters in mind and that's okay. They made what they wanted to make. The director seems to have done a really good job. i i want I watched a review of somebody who analyzes movies and the technique and everything made in the movie was really well done. The thing that's missing for some of us just turns out to be that
00:15:52
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that story element, the the the plot is watered down because it's coming from a thicker, more um fuller experience from a book and it's being it's being shortened into a ah two-hour experience, whereas the book reading probably would take somebody six to eight hours if they're trying to read it all the way through at one point. um But from what I understood from this guy who was announcing it, and i'll I'll have to put it in the the comments of the episode. who Who did it? I'll just have to relook up who did it. But he was analyzing it, and the reason why so many people loved it was because the techniques were really good, and like the way that they were telling the story was really good. and if you
00:16:45
Speaker
The whole aspect of the film was for it to stand alone all by itself. So if you watched this film without having watched to the other two or having watched any of the others, you wouldn't be lost because it's a story that's able to start from the beginning to the end. And he made some really good points in that. the movie is able to stand ah stand by itself really well. In comparison to the book, though, is where we find all of these things. And so I'm more of the idea now, I'm i'm kind of coming into the idea now that the movie itself is okay. And it's got its got its job and it's doing its job and it's it's been made the way that they wanted it to make. But now when I'm reading the books,
00:17:35
Speaker
I'm no longer too disappointed about what the movie didn't include. Rather, I'm more excited to see what the TV show can amplify what the movie couldn't. And Hermione and Ron's tension is definitely one of those things. uh pulling into Wormtail's story a little bit more with him being scavengers and all that is going to be something to look forward to. Lupin, which I mean in this chapter we get more Lupin, but Lupin's relationship with Harry is also going to be something to look forward to. And so
00:18:15
Speaker
I'm not necessarily too disappointed now about how the movie adapted the thing because of how how they set it up in terms of it being a movie. But I'm now more excited to know that there's no excuse that the TV show can't add more to it because there is so much more to add. If that makes sense. There's a ton to add for sure. Is there anything else you guys want to discuss about everything at Hogsmeade and the scene with the Shrinking so Shack? We've kind of touched base on in the past because that portion was in an earlier scene of the film, which we've already covered.
00:18:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, for me, I just want to see more. Well, okay, I don't want them to like put things out of order and and have this scene be like five chapters earlier, but i um I want to see just more of the world building because Hogsmeade, which we talked about before, but Hogsmeade has so much cool stuff in it, especially for somebody like Harry who hasn't had a lot of experience in the magical world. And so I really want to see more of um the little details about all of the shops in Hogsmeade. I didn't have anything else. OK, let's move on to.
Impact of Plot Changes on Narrative
00:19:36
Speaker
OK, well, so it's hard to go to the next portion because this the the technically the next portion, the next scene was cut from the film and and was added earlier in the film. But um so Harry gets caught by Malfoy and tries to run back.
00:19:54
Speaker
And he is caught, sort of caught by Snape, who forces him to check his pockets and reveals the and map, um you know, and then he calls Lupin. And in the film, this is all portrayed, um first of all, Rod wakes up from a nightmare about spiders. And um that is a nice little comedic moment. But Harry sees Peter Pettigrew on the map. And so he kind of sneaks out of bed to go investigate it. And that's when he's caught by Snape. So very different situations here, very different tones. So this is the part where I've come to the conclusion that the movie's done its like its own thing. And and adaptation-wise, you know we can tear it apart and all that stuff. but
00:20:46
Speaker
it's um It's come to my attention that this scene was a way to be able to progress the plot. by including some bits of where where they are story-wise, Snape catching Harry, but then hint at the idea that Peter Pettigrew is alive and that it's got a connection to this big overall mystery that they're that they're doing. So out of context, I think it delivered what it was supposed to as a scene. If you're not taking any context at all from the books and you're kind of just watching the movie as it is, it's not a nice little hint and poke at the idea that Peter Pettigrew has got something big to play in this thing. And he's an important part because we're about to meet him and then the music's building up and then like nobody shows up and he's just running past Harry. And you're kind of just like, what was that all about kind of scenario?
00:21:44
Speaker
And then we move on to Harry and loop Snape and Lupin talking to Harry and and it progresses the story. So it it does its job well. But when you take it into context of the book, obviously where you you can see there's a ton of flaws and in the scenario, right? Because you go and think to yourself, oh, why do it that way when this way was probably 10 times better? um And all I have to really say about it in context to the book is that the ah the only thing I'm glad that they included was Lupin talking to Harry ah about the Marauder's Map. Having Snape catch him in the middle of the night
00:22:32
Speaker
ah in a hallway while he's trying to look for this guy probably doesn't necessarily matter to me more than it does to him sneaking out of Hogsmeade kind of scenario, especially since they had combined that scene, that first Hogsmeade visit with the second Hogsmeade visit. I think it's just more important that they included this this conversation that Lupin and Harry had about Harry not considering the safety of his own self when there's a big bad murderer about. So I want to back up a little bit. Do you really like you really think the scene played nicely or you don't think it was too dramatic? I know that we throw the the word dramatic around a lot, but like throwing Peter Pettigrew in here now. I don't know. Maybe this will be a conversation when we have Zuhair on who was our
00:23:25
Speaker
token movie only watcher. but and And we are, I don't want to say we're watching it with rose-colored glasses, it's not the right term to use because, but being book readers, like we we're obviously seeing it from from a different lens and it just seems so discombobulated, I feel like, or just kind of throwing the MacGuffin in your face. And that part I think I get a little bit, especially when I've talked about it this entire movie feeling a little bit choppy at times.
00:23:57
Speaker
but After taking into consideration this analysis I watched like three weeks ago and then rewatching the movie with that lens of it being just a movie but no context to the book or anything just standing alone out of itself, I feel like the scene it does its job. but in this It's not necessarily overdramatic and it only feels overdramatic when we have it in context to the book. Because other than that, if if you haven't read the book and you're watching the movie for the first time, the you have no outside context how important this person's role is going to play in the story. Let me ask you this then. Meigs
Lupin's Knowledge of Pettigrew
00:24:41
Speaker
chime in if you need to. But, okay, Lupin is now aware in the film that Peter Pettigrew is on the map.
00:24:48
Speaker
But that doesn't come back into play. And I might be wrong because I'm, I'm watching it piece by piece, but it doesn't come back into play until they're in the shrinking shock. And he's like, I knew he could, like he he was supposed to be dead or whatever. And I feel like this is such a big deal that like, it would be a bigger deal in the film universe. Explain bigger deal. Like how bigger of a deal did you want? So Lupin knows the map doesn't lie. yeah And so he knows that if Peter Pettigrew was on the map, then Peter Pettigrew isn't alive. But it nothing that doesn't change anything that happens in the book. I mean, it still plays out pretty much the same, even though that does not happen in the book.
00:25:36
Speaker
And I feel like if he had that information, it would be different. Like something would change because he would he now he knows at this point in time that Peter is alive. He doesn't tell Dumbledore. He doesn't do anything with that information. Well, I think he does do something with that information because in context of the movie, it moves on to them discovering Peter Pettigrew's alive like the very next day or even within that same time period. It's a very short time period between Harry losing the map and then Ron getting captured by Sirius Black.
00:26:08
Speaker
e We'll have to watch it because we still have Hermione quitting um divination and the whole Buckbeek stuff. So we'll see how condensed that is in the film. Well, from my perspective, having watched the film recently, it was Hermione quitting divination. And then that same afternoon, the day she quit, they're going down to visit Hagrid because they found out Buckbeek's getting executed. And then that that from that point, it all just spirals out of control. So it felt like there wasn't a lot of time for Lupin to find another way out because he just found out that Peter Petticrew is still alive.
00:26:51
Speaker
And from my point of view, he he discovered that they were still alive and then did what he would just do in the moment, seeing that Peter Pettigrew was going into the Whomping Willow and then seeing all the other people there. And so he's just like, I gotta go. And he's going and handling it with the best of information he can. I mean, I feel like if I were Lupin and I saw that Peter Pettigrew is on the map, I'd be freaking out. And you don't think you'd do it? I mean, because there's there's at least a whole day because this happens at nighttime and then we have classes and then the shit goes down the next night ah in the film, apparently. That's true. It is really fast. I always feel like there's ah but there's a whole day for him to do something with that information. So you think he's just sitting on it? I don't like it.
00:27:39
Speaker
Yeah, I don't really like it either. But i I guess it feels like it's so much longer than just a day. But if it's only a day, I mean, because in context, the book is longer than a day, like the events that happen from this point to the point where it doesn't even happen. He doesn't even know about it. So this isn't an issue in the book. Yeah. Well, yeah Some people react differently than how other people react differently sometimes. And Lupin being one of those people who is trying to connect dots and solve a ah situation feels like one of those one of those people. I don't know. Let's just agree that we hope the show sticks closer to the books. We can agree to that, yes.
00:28:27
Speaker
Another kind of point I want to I want to bring up to you guys about the same ah scene, I guess, is in the conversation between Snape and Lupin in the film doesn't really imply like it does in the books that Snape knows who the Marauders are and knows that Lupin is one. Yeah. And I hate that. I feel like it takes a lot of that, I don't wanna necessarily say tension, but Harry is definitely picking up on something. And then again, it's it's a nice, again, not foreshadow, but it's an it's a nice contrast to when everything is revealed inside this shrinking shock. So get this conversation between the two of them, and then you kind of piece that together in the shrinking shock.
00:29:19
Speaker
later on and to have that cut is disappointing as well yeah i agree it makes it feel like yeah they were they take away a lot of the foreshadowing in general in the movies and it i feel like sorry could finish your sentence didn't really I don't really know. I was kind of petering off. I feel i feel like it's not necessarily more like foreshadowing rather than subtext because I can guarantee when I first read the book, I had no idea that Snape knew. It wasn't that obvious to me. Right. And so, ah you know, this being my third, fourth, fifth, who knows how many times I've read this book,
00:30:05
Speaker
ah by now, it it kind of just dawned on me today as I was reading the chapter that he did know and he was trying to goad out the information from Lupin that this is from the Marauders.
Missing Subtextual Foreshadowing
00:30:18
Speaker
And that- Well, and what I'm trying to say is like to cut that, like we don't get that in the film, you know? So we can't rewatch the film and kind of piece to be like, oh oh, like that is something we, that was like a little Easter egg. And like we don't, those are not things that we see rewatching the films again and again. Whereas when we read the books, we're making all these connections. um And that's what I would like to see. So we all can agree that this show is going to bring in ah ah new people that haven't seen the films, haven't read the books. So I want them to experience watching the show and going back and watching
00:30:52
Speaker
you know this season all over again after it's already aired, getting the same feelings we're doing, rereading the books and being like, oh, like Snape knew those were the Marauders. Good point. Yeah, i I agree. I think that the more that they can add in like the little Easter eggs and stuff like that, the more exciting the TV showe the tv show is going to be. Otherwise, its they're just going to be running on like pure nostalgia. Right. Yeah. One final note I have is I've talked a lot about how in the book you kind of get the sense that Lupin really is trying to hold back how much he cares about Harry and doesn't know how to you know where that line is and I feel like this is the first time we really see that emotion come through in the film.
00:31:40
Speaker
And that's it. Like you mentioned earlier, James is him saying like your parents died to protect you and you're like throwing that away. And in the film, that's the first time we kind of see that emotion coming through. Like he's raising his voice and making Harry feel really guilty about it. yeah So I was excited to see that. Yeah, me too. Which I mean, it had its intended effect. Like Harry did feel guilty in the book and in the film out what he did because This guy he admires and he he's looking up to throughout this entire year told him off. and it's like one of the it's It's just like one of those moments when somebody you respect gets mad at you and because you did a silly thing and you're like, crap, what did I do? That was stupid to me. Why did I do it? And you're just going through that process of
00:32:32
Speaker
of like, man, like, why did I go through with this thing that obviously now seems to be a very big mistake. So, uh, I, you know, they did it, they did it really well, uh, in the movie. Uh, I feel like there is room for improvement for sure. Uh, to have that be a even bigger effect on Harry. ah especially when we add in the previous conversations and build up this relationship between him and Lupin, like that moment, it will be a very big moment for Harry. It's defining Harry's character going forward, for sure.
00:33:12
Speaker
Yeah, I think this might be one of the most um like this. how I can't form words right now. This might be the relationship endless in the season. I'm most excited to see as of now. Yeah, of course. I think it'll be it'll be really fun to see it. And hopefully they'll do it a little bit more justice in the TV show. I think they will. Yeah. I mean, those showrunners that they just announced seem like pretty decent people.
00:33:48
Speaker
pretty they I mean they're definitely packing the big guns so we can expect some really great things I think. Yeah I think so too.
Desire for More Quidditch and Accountability
00:33:57
Speaker
Well any final thoughts or lightning rounds or tidbits? My only other notes that I didn't talk about were I want to see Hagrid and Ron and Harry talking about Quidditch after they talked with Hagrid about um ah when they went to his hut and Hagrid was telling them that they were being kind of mean to Hermione and like paying more attention to Quidditch than to their friends, which I just really like in general that Hagrid did that. like He's holding them accountable.
00:34:30
Speaker
um and Then after that, then it says that the conversation moves into them talking about Quidditch. And just anytime any of the adults um are talking about Quidditch, I think is um is really fun. And so I really want to see that because we already Quidditch has already really shortchanged in the film. So we need more of that in the TV show, but then definitely getting the adults involved. Really great point about Hagrid calling them out and cutting that from the book film. Thank you. You're welcome.
00:35:07
Speaker
Well, I guess it's time for our Peeves' Pleasure Peeve and Salute. And if you're new around here, our Peeves' Pleasure is what we liked yeah from the adaptation. Our Peeves' as Peeve is what we didn't like from the adaptation. And then our Weasley Salute is what we liked overall, whether it's the adaptation, the book itself, or the film itself. ah James, would you please kick us off with your Peeves' his Pleasure? Always. ah In this adaptation, my peeve's pleasure is going to be the moment Lupin steps into the hallway.
00:35:53
Speaker
um Because in it it it's not like in the book, like Snape summons him, right? But like I think the adaptation did a really good job of like saying they're patrolling the corridors looking for Sirius Black. So Lupin's just there showing up. like It makes sense. like right the Even though they changed how the scene works according to what it's compared to with the book, They still made it work in order to bring Lupin in to have that conversation, which we've already discussed saying that conversation is important to Harry both in the film and in and in the book. And so we're glad that they included it.
00:36:39
Speaker
But like it wasn't just like this outlandish thing of like Snape dragging Harry to Lupin or Lupin just popping up out of nowhere for no apparent reason. It was it had a sense of ah sense according to the world that they built and I appreciated that because you can easily just say Lupin was there because he's patrolling the corridors just like Snape is patrolling the corridors because there's this big murderer out supposedly that's entered the castle twice. Um, and so Lupin just showing up out of the blue and then having that conversation and saying like, Oh, it's a joke paper. And like, I'll take it from here. Severus kind of like it, it didn't feel out of place and it didn't feel forced. It felt like a natural thing, which I appreciate this adaptation doing, even though it has made the changes, uh, that it has. Hmm.
00:37:36
Speaker
Um, mine is you kind of, that was a good one, James, by the way. Um, mine is a kind of loose, but ah Harry and Malfoy fighting in Hogsmeade. Um, and I say it's kind of loose just because they put this out of order, um, in the film. But I do, I mean, I don't love how many of the details that they changed, but i I do think that it was looking at it just as a movie. I thought that it was still a fun scene. Mm-hmm. Mine was the emotion we got from Lupin in that scene. um I think that they did a really good job showing that come through. Now if we're getting a snowball in the face, it's always a fun time. That's always gonna be on top for sure. ah My peeves peeve will be... I don't know. I actually really didn't... If I did yeah if i if i had to choose...
00:38:35
Speaker
It would have to be Ron waking up saying the spiders are going to get him. Like, I don't know. Really? It's out of context. It just bumps me out of the thing all of a sudden because I'm more interested in why Harry's doing Awake at night looking at the Mars map. And then Ron all of a sudden just complaining about a little nightmare.
00:38:59
Speaker
takes me out of the experience. I feel like it was a comical moment inserted into a serious moment abruptly. It didn't naturally flow into it like I would like i feel like it should have. so Yeah, they could have had him like waking up from the dream, which woke Harry up, and then Harry couldn't go back to sleep. So he's like, all right, let me grab the map. Oh, totally. That would have been way better. But um it just didn't work. Two points for Hufflepuff? Yes, two points for Hufflepuff. I'll add it to the Thanks for the work.
00:39:41
Speaker
Vine was taking away Ron's glory from the chapter. hey Yeah. You know, I had, I had written down Peter on the map. Um, and I already went into depth with that, but I think I'm going to have to side with makes there. Cause that's a really great point. I feel like Peter on the map is a good band name. It's like, what is, uh, Benny and the, um, Benny and the Jets, Peter on the map. Um, somebody hold on if somebody can please write in a parody of Benny and the Jets called Peter on the map and have it be about Peter Pettigrew and Hogsmeade and all of that, that would be so fantastic if somebody could send that in. I love it.
00:40:30
Speaker
We will read it live on the, well, I guess we're not live, but we will read it on the podcast. no better I don't know that any of us can sing. Elton John, famously, is friends with us. So he will come onto the podcast and um sing it for whoever writes the party. ah James, what is your Weasley salute?
Friendship Dynamics of Ron and Harry
00:40:56
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ah My Weasley salute for this chapter would have to be... would have to be... Well, I mean, I feel like I would obviously go to like...
00:41:10
Speaker
the moment with Lupin, Lupin like tells Harry off for risking his life and being stupid and all that stuff like that's a very big moment but I also wanted to maybe just shine a little bit of light on Ron. kind Like book Ron versus movie Ron because movie Ron obviously still good still good and all all that stuff but like book Ron harry he he he he knew that Harry was going to be in trouble and he told Harry to run but he didn't just stand there he too was also running the entire time so that he could find Harry and whoever was talking to him and be like I gave those to Harry like that's that's just a good friend
00:41:55
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like He didn't just stand there and go like crap. I hope Harry doesn't get in trouble He he too booked it all the way back to the castle so that he could cover it and and Harry had the idea like after he told Snape that he He got it from Ron and he was like crap enough to make sure I tell Ron that so that he can cover my tracks He didn't need to tell Ron that because Ron already had the same idea and so like you know that they're really good friends if they're both aware that they need to come up with a story and their story covers each other's backs, like even without talking to each other. And so I think that moment in of itself was just like made me smile a little bit. Cause I was just like, yeah, that's what friends would do for each other to try and keep each other out from out from getting in trouble. Like Ron knew exactly what he needed to do. And so he just burst in there. No one even questioned why Ron was even bursting in there in the first place. Like, Right, like how did he know? How did he know that Harry was in trouble? But that's an obvious thing that somebody didn't point out. But at the same time, you got to admire that Ron is the kind of person that does that. So I think that's pretty cool. I really, really like the scene between Harry and Snape out in the corridor when Snape finds the map. Or book? Book version or a movie version?
00:43:19
Speaker
um Well, my salute is the how they did it in the film. I really like it.
Humor and Wisdom in Hagrid's Character
00:43:25
Speaker
I love. I mean, it's hard not to like anything that Alan Rickman just does such a good job. So again, even though they change certain details, I think that Daniel know Radcliffe acted in that scene really well, too. And yeah, I just really like that portrait or adaptation. um My salute is a line from the book and I will read it to you. It's when Hagrid is talking to Harry and Ron about how they've treated her by name, and they're talking about scabbers and everything. and Hagrid says, ah, well, people can be a bit stupid about their pets, said hagwi Hagrid wisely. and I just think it's funny that Harry thinks Hagrid is so wise in this sentence and that is not that wise.
00:44:13
Speaker
See, I read The Wisely as um like J.K. Rowling was writing that tongue in cheek. like He said it as if like Hagrid is saying it. He is thinking that he's so wise, but really it's like the situation is really silly because of Buckbeak spitting out the the bones are choking on the bones or whatever it is right after that. So I took that when I read it as like JK Rowling wrote that kind of like tongue in cheek like we're supposed to kind of chuckle about it because Hagrid. Oh, no, I think we're definitely supposed to chuckle like that. So I think it's funny. And I always giggle because i' I'm like, yeah, like he's acting like he's so wise or Harry is viewing Hagrid as so I don't know. But it's just like, it's a very simple sentence. And then it's said Hagrid wisely. And it just always cracks me up.
00:45:03
Speaker
Also, hybrid is also often a bit stupid about his pets. I think that's what makes the line cute. Mm hmm. Because it's coming from somebody who is exactly doing the same thing. But maybe this is where the wisely comes in. Like he knows he's doing it, but he's he's aware that he's aware that he's doing it because you have ah an admiration for your for your pets. that that you don't that a lot of people sometimes just don't understand. And so I think he's emphasizing with Ron, knowing that Ron is struggling with the fact that he's lost his pet and he's trying to find somebody to blame for him, but he wants Ron to realize also that it shouldn't get in the way of things. And so I think him i think i think in a way it could be a little bit wise. So,
00:45:59
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I really do think Hagrid is aware that he's also got the same problem when it comes to his animals and his magical creatures. ah But being aware that you have that problem and sharing that information as I think makes you a step above the situation, in my opinion. I think you're giving him a lot of credit there, James. I mean, Hagrid deserves a lot of credit. He does, but I don't know if in this instance... I think he's very loyal and brave, but I wouldn't say wise. Ouch. Ouch, Saturday. Ouch. We're all wise in our own way. Oh, that's a very good point. Okay. Two points to Ravenclaw. Can I get two points for being neutral?
00:46:59
Speaker
No, because you're both Ravenclaw. We should just all be our own house. How many times do I have to say I represent Gryffindor? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This one is supposed to be against you so bad. No, I really don't.
00:47:18
Speaker
Anyway, thanks for causing havoc with us today. Next time, we're going to do something a little different. We are combining chapters 15 and 16. the Quidditch Final and Professor Turlani's prediction. The portion of the film is an hour and 19 minutes and 11 seconds to an hour and 27 minutes and 35 seconds, give or take. James, where can our listeners find you? They can find me on Instagram or TikTok at James M Beltran. And, you know, follow me if you if you dare. Sounds ominous. um You can follow me on Instagram at Megan, M-E-G-A-N, underscore, Lachowski, L-A-C-H-O-W-S-K-I. And from there, you can find all my other projects. And you can find me, Sarah Day, on Instagram, at Captain.McDee, that's M-C-D-E-E.
00:48:15
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