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New and Original Harry Potter Characters and How Does Gender-Swapping Affect the Plot?
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Today, we are gabbing about Genderswapping?
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Welcome to Peeves' Gap Fest, a chapter-by-chapter page-to-screen analysis of the Harry Potter series. I am Sarah Day. I'm James. And I'm Meigs. And today we're gabbing about theme parks, divination, and gender swapping. But first, a quick spoiler warning, as we do use our vast knowledge of the Wizarding World to compare the page to the screen. And that means we may gab about moments that happen later in the books or the films. So you've been warned, Icklefirsties.
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All right, so we have some feedback from our friend Cameron.
Innovative Harry Potter Adaptations
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Cameron says, in the past, movies and shows often add original new characters like Daryl from The Walking Dead is not in the comics, but in the show, or they gender swap roles, like the leader of the Alexandria Safe Zone in The Walking Dead is a woman in the TV show, but a man in the comics.
00:06:06
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An idea you three can discuss is come up with an original new character that does not exist in the books that they can have in the TV show. And would you gender swap a character from the books or movies for the TV show? If so, who would it be and why? And maybe a thing you can discuss is ah what would the books be like if all the major characters were gender swapped.
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Cameron, this is a great idea that's going to bring a lot of discussion. Well, let's start with the first one. is there and What kind of character would we create to add to the TV show that's not in the books? I would just add myself. ah Exactly, right?
00:06:49
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Of course. You know what I always imagined as I was reading this as a kid? Did you guys ever read those books? The Magic Treehouse, I think? Yes, I have read those.
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Yeah, so you know, if you're not familiar, listeners, the magic treehouse is a brother and a sister, I believe, who they read books in their magic treehouse and they go into the books and they're into the story. So growing up, I was always I wanted so badly to be reading Harry Potter and just be transported into the world of Harry Potter. I mean, yeah, I.
00:07:26
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ah I don't know what story I haven't placed myself in into to be like, how would I like react if I were in this story kind of scenario. I've done it for pretty much almost everything that I liked as a kid. And I was just like, I'll put myself in here and I'll put myself in here. And this is how I would do this. I would react obviously very biased ah stories and it wouldn't actually work. But like, I don't know, just if you were to add another character to Harry Potter, I think it would be someone who
00:08:07
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contributed something to the story that adds to Harry Potter and not necessarily takes away because the the biggest thing is I don't want somebody to add an original character that downplays the original story. If it wasn't really needed then don't do it at all. um But if it's something that adds to the story and makes the story more like more enjoyable or more interesting or adds a plot to the twist that we weren't expecting ah but doesn't necessarily change the overall arching thing then yeah I could totally like I would totally support that I would feel like that that would be something that I would love to watch because it's one of those new things that does that but and this is my last point Harry Potter
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has a lot of characters that weren't introduced into the movies, but are in the books. And so it kind of fills that role anyways. And so when we if we were to if they were to add them into the TV show, it it would be acting like an original character because a lot of people wouldn't have experience with like say Winky or Ludo Bagnon or um some of these other characters that didn't get any or at all like little screen time in the movies. And that kind of fulfills that portion of that anyways. And so yeah.
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I guess piggybacking off of what you just said, I'd like to see obviously Winky, um but also Ginny is so much more developed and I think a lot of other female characters are a lot more developed in the books than they were in the films.
Enhancing Female Characters in Harry Potter
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And I'm sure the show being HBO especially will make it more diverse than the films were in in general, especially with it being 2024. Well, it'll be 2026 by that time. But um media is generally trying to be more diverse than it has been in the past. So um I'm excited to see how the show can and this kind of goes into the gender swapping portion of his question as well. But um yeah, I'm just excited to see
00:10:35
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how they're going to adapt these characters in a more and im modern setting of us watching with it still being set in the 90s, if they set it in the 90s. Yeah. I think that that is a really good point about the um but from both of you, um James talking about the character, like if we were to add any type of character in that it we can't take away from or overshadow the characters that are already there, like it's it would really change a lot of the plot. um And I think that the plot is really solid um overall. And then also about how the female characters in particular are really fleshed out in the books and they are not in the movies. And so both of you made excellent points there.
00:11:26
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I think it would be fun to, if we were to add in new characters for them to be creatures, like not creature the house elf, but like animals or centaurs or something like to have a new character that is a non-human and um have them play a bigger role in what's going on in the story.
00:11:47
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Well, to combine what you both just said, um a lot of creatures were also cut from the films that were in the books. I mean, I think like Buckbeak, I think, was pretty fleshed out in the film, but he comes back in the fourth book.
00:12:02
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Dabi comes back from time to time the centaurs come back um Thorpe Hagrid's half-brother does not get as much Character arc as he does in the books like he comes back in the final battle um The centaurs I think are in the final battle aren't they so yeah um yeah, there's also a lot of magical creatures fantastic beasts if you will that will Be hopefully in the show a lot more and to movie only viewers Be new characters to them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there were a lot there were so many cut it So That all said if we had to create a character or creature for the show that wasn't in the book what
00:12:57
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role would they have? Who would who would it be? What could we what could they add to the story? What could be added to the story to warrant a new character? If we're going to go magical creature route, I would not be like upset at all if they were to like have a small magical creature pet that Harry like Harry, Ron, or Hermione, either one, uh, would like maybe befriend and then like it kind of just stays with them a little bit. I feel like that would be a very like little fun thing. Kind of like the bowtruckle with Newt Scamander, but not necessarily the bowtruckle because there's plenty of magical creatures out there that are small enough that don't take a lot of space. Like I don't think they need to befriend a manticore, but like, yeah.
00:13:51
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Well, ah the first thought that popped into my head as you were saying that was in the final book, when they're going on the quest to find the Horcruxes, a magical creature could have helped them, I think in many cases. So it would have been interesting to see how a magical creature... That's such a fun idea. Not necessarily the dragon that they free from Gringotts, but you know, something that they run into along the way and sticks with them and does help them in ah in a future. What about a hinky punk that actually is helpful?
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They could be like nervous because they're not they're not supposed to follow hinky punks because they're tricksters. and But this is like the hinky punk that is good. who I'd like to see like they could save the creature somehow and then the creature like thinks that they owe them You know a debt so he's he or it or she helps them but especially if Ron does the saving because Hermione is so into the animal right or I guess non human rights and so then for
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Ron to be the one to do it would mean a lot for their relationship Okay, but that would have to happen after The whole sword thing and the locket because he can't that's his like redemption You know, so I couldn't he can't have that redemption before the sword and then it It can't take away from the moment in the book where he does say, we got to go save the house elves. And she's like, oh my god, I love you. you know So we've got to. True, true. It can't be. But I love where you're going with that. But I mean, he does. It could be gradual. like It could be the sword and locket thing. It could be him saving this creature. And then the the the house elf thing is like the final like, yes, you are the one.
00:15:46
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I like this idea. I love the idea of a little bowtruckle. Yeah. and And but the most important thing is, is like this creature isn't supposed to be like a replacement to the creatures that we're already going to love, like Crookshanks and and Pidgeon.
00:16:05
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yeah They have to add Pigwijin now. Pigwijin. Pig for sure. Pigwijin, that's right. They have to add Pigwijin in the show because I don't think we get him at all in the movies. No, because the third movie ends with him flying off on the broom. Yeah. So so we don't get Pig. I mean, we'll get to enjoy the new feeling of Pigwijin, but like this this additional creature that joins the Harry Potter team can't overshadow the already creatures that we're going to love in that regard too. My head's like spinning with little ideas. I can't wait for them to do more stuff with but the animals in general, all the way down to, you know, Pig Widget and Errol and, ugh.
00:16:54
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I think it would be, I really love the idea of adding in a little animal that kind of sticks with them, at least throughout the final book, if not most of the series. you know um Or a ghost, like a new ghost would be kind of fun. um I think it would be fun to, after at least after their second year, there's like a first year or maybe a few first years who they the trio kind of bonds with for some reason. And it doesn't have to be like they have a huge, huge plot point with Voldemort or anything like that. But some type of like, they kind of befriend one of the first years because of something. And then what about Colin? Creepy. Yeah, like I know he's supposed to be annoying, but what if they, like, befriend him and then his death later on is like more emotional for them because they actually bonded with him a lot more. But it has to be a new character. Yeah, but I think we're just making the point that there's tons of characters in the books that aren't fleshed out in the film that they can just utilize. But yes.
Gender-Swapping Impact in Adaptations
00:18:09
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Oh, what if the magical creature is a crap? Oh, what's that?
00:18:15
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So a crepe is a type of dog. where It's related to a dog, but it's got two tails instead of one. Isn't it like a Jack Russell with two to two tails? Yeah, so it's like a wizard-bred dog that originated in the southeast of England. a They strongly resemble Jack Russell terriers, except that the crepe has a forked tail. They are clearly wizard-bred dogs since they are extremely loyal to wizards and ferocious towards muggles and scri squibs. Crepes were great scavengers eating everything from no gnomes to old tires.
00:18:51
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So I don't know that that feels like a cute little creature that they could have around. Or some gnomes. Oh, a gnoma. That'd be fun. I mean, they have to bring back the gnomes because like Barry and Ron were like doing the gnome tossing thing in book two. All right. What about gender swapping? I can't think of a certain character I'd want to gender swap.
00:19:17
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But I wouldn't be opposed to anything. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. Gender swapping is hard because it goes it goes into the thing of. What does it add to the character or what is it? What is a new look to the character? Because ah my opinion on on the matter is I don't mind a gender swap as long as it's got a purpose in telling the story.
00:19:45
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Uh, is, you know, what, what is the reason behind it? but behind it And, ah you know, when people do it all the time in theater, uh, and in movies and and so stuff and like they're adapting stories. Uh, and I find half the time it's a really great decision because it brings a lot to a character that wasn't considered, like you didn't consider that before. And it was like, Oh, that's really cool.
00:20:11
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And it kind of like opens your app mind to new ideas and and new things. And then the other half of the time, it's like, well, I was kind of upsetting. like that this It didn't add anything. It didn't change like anything. it just It was just a change that somebody did. And so that that's kind of like my thing to it. So i feel I feel like really any Harry Potter character could be gender swapped.
00:20:42
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hu As long as it was done with the purpose of what would what would do what would doing this b ah be able to like explore so a certain area? Like what what story would it tell?
00:20:57
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I would say I wouldn't want the the female characters to be, I mean so some of the side characters I suppose it wouldn't really matter. I mean I feel like Lavender Parvati might be kind of funny if they were gender swapped to men just because of you know societal norms that we have about how men behave versus women behave so it would be you know kind of amusing but um like if Hermione were gender swapped for example I feel like that would take away so much of like having a strong female around um for Ron and Harry and so I wouldn't want that but I agree like if they're gonna do some type of gender swap then
00:21:42
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I don't know, it would just be interesting. I mean, if Harry was gender swapped, um but what I think would be really interesting is how people, more than the character swapping a gender, I think i would be much more curious about how people would respond to all of the characters saying all of the exact same lines, but being a different gender and how readers would respond differently. Because if Harry was a woman,
00:22:13
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and so Or if Harry was a gay man and said all and it was that was known and that was like a part of his identity that was discussed in the book, for example, and he said all of the same things, did all of the same things, would people respond to him as a character differently if he were not who he is? and so that's That is what I would be really interested in, is to see how readers would respond to any type of swapping.
00:22:39
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ah hu And the stories and the characters are so intertwined that if you do swap somebody's gender, it does change a lot. So you mentioned swapping Lavender and Pavarti, right? Which yeah, that would be really funny to see those two characters as men. But then go to the fourth book where Harry asked Pavarti to the ball and Lavender in the sixth book dates Ron. So those are like two big plot points that would need to change or their characters would need to change.
00:23:16
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What if, hmm, I'm kind of like just going down the rabbi rabbit hole a little bit. But what if we go, not Lavender Parvati, but Parvati and but pat Padma? okay aha Right? yeah What if we made Parvati still be a girl, but Padma be the boy and really it should we just change Ron's date to somebody else. ah Like, even we could just even change it to lavender. I don't care. Like have him date lavender a little bit earlier. I like that because but then like they come into the common room and Harry asked Pavarti and then he's like lavender, will you go with Ron? And she's like, yes,
00:24:01
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But he does he does the same thing at the ball where they don't dance. They're all pissy and moody and she gets mad. And then how does that affect their relationship in the in the sixth book? Like, why does she forgive him for that for like, oh, he was just a 14 year old boy. He didn't know any better kind of thing. Or, yeah, will it be brought up? You know, I like that.
00:24:24
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But then you have like the then you have like the not just like the girl twins, but like the the girl twin and the boy twin and kind of like seeing how that relationship could develop and not necessarily a big change that sends ripples everywhere, but it like brings a different dynamic to a type of thing that people might be willing to explore. Because we see what happens when twins are the same gender and they're like,
00:24:52
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to always together through the Weasley twins, but like, what if we see, like, what are the different dynamics of being twins, but like, boy and girl kind of. That doesn't always work. And in the different houses. Yeah. And in different houses, like that could affect it too. Yeah. Um, so what would the books be like if all of the major characters were gender swap?
00:25:14
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I think there'd be a really, really big difference as much as people would like to pretend like, oh, it would be fine. And like, I'm fine with gender roles switching. I think it would be people would respond so differently to how all of them act.
00:25:31
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Let's start with the trio. So Ron and Harry would be girls, and Hermione, the studious one would be the boy. And then the the sport, like if Harryetta was, ah you know, that a jock, you know, like Harry is, and Rhonda.
00:25:52
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wow
00:25:56
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um did the slacker come comedy you know that was so perfect that was great uh well you know who i would kind of picture harry as just thinking about his personality, him liking to fly and all of that. I feel like he would be like Captain Marvel.
00:26:30
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and her character because she's relatively withdrawn because of what's happened to her in her life and all of these things that, you know, she's had to overcome. And I think it's, if you like, you know, in just the first Captain Marvel movie when they, the only Captain Marvel movie, when they go into her background and stuff, like it all makes sense and how she's like, she's kind of like quietly trying to just figure out who she is and what her purpose is. And I feel like Harry has a lot of similarities to that. And so I would picture Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers, like as Harry, you know, if just to try to like kind of have an image of what that would look like as a female. So would that make Kamala Khan Dabi?
00:27:23
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Oh, no. I don't know James Wood.
00:27:30
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Kind of, I guess. Miss Marvel is like ah in love with so in love with Captain Marvel, but like yeah so sorry in love with Harry. That's true. I don't know. It was just being funny. That that is funny to think about. What do you two think about Harry?
00:27:50
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I think it's spot on with how you were describing it. I i feel like though it would be a little bit more interesting to kind of go more ah more past that into like Severus Snape being a girl and having that dynamic with Harry.
00:28:10
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um but like I feel like females, Everest, Snape would be a little bit more scarier. They're all they're both women, right? We're gender swapping the entire series. So a female Snape and a female. so so So Snape was in love with Harry's father. Sevressa would be would be in love with Harry's father. But imagine him or her being obsessed with Harry's father and doing all of these
00:28:41
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um I don't know, like treating Harrietta like garbage and, you know, being a really mean professor and having all of the bad characteristics that Snape has and then you come to find out it's because she's obsessed with Harry's father. It would not go over the same way. Right. And I was just about to say, like, everybody would be calling Snape severesta a um a bitch
Snape and McGonagall: Gender Dynamics
00:29:12
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and yes and then like there wouldn't be the debate there is about snape that there is now because snape doing all of this is like so romantic especially the way that they portray him in the movies he's much more likable in the movies but it's it's totally romantic because women
00:29:29
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girls are trained from childhood to like wait for that you know man to come save you. yeah And that's just how it is. That's not like but we have to unlearn that when we're older, right? And so that's just kind of how it is. And so we are trained to think of a man going to these great lengths being so obsessed with this woman as like a romantic thing.
00:29:55
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And it's not healthy, and it's not okay. And it's also not okay, no matter what gender you are, to be like that towards another person. But it's much more normalized for a man to have those actions because we tend to then think of it as being romantic and kind of give him the benefit of the doubt for it. So I think it would go over way different if it was Sabressa. I agree that it would be different. She would be crazy. I would be scared out of my mind being like, what is she going to do next?
00:30:26
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Well, as as a as a professor bullying the students, she'd be called ah a bitch, which a lot of people do give Snape a hard time for bullying the students, especially Neville. But then, like you were saying, Meeks, if she was obsessed with this guy as much as Snape is obsessed with Lily, it would be seen a psycho.
00:30:45
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And it's just a double, it's just a double standard. Right. And it and all of us as individuals, like we might not realize that we think that, you know, like this isn't some people obviously are bad people and they're determined to be sexist or whatever, but A lot of us are, we don't want to assume that we would feel that way, but it's so ingrained in in the larger societal structure that we wouldn't help but feel that subconscious, like very different, double standard type of feeling about the gender roles being swapped. And another thing about Snape being a woman is the appearance
00:31:24
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Yes. Sevressa Snape would be um the appearance yeah because he's he's described as being really greasy and gross and slimy. and like that like women Speaking of like what's ingrained in society is women are supposed to be pretty and proper her and like clean. She was described as the slime ball by the Marauders.
00:31:48
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Well, and then also the Marauders. Marauders could be women. They'd be catty bitch group. It would be like Mean Girls. yeah yeah like That's why you literally came to my mind. It was like, this would be an episode of Mean Girls. But then with when it's the boys doing it, it's like, well, boys will be boys. They're just being funny. But if girls were doing it, it would be so mean. Oh my goodness, Cameron, thank you for bringing this up. All right, so let's talk about Dumbledore then. so Alberta. Alberta Dumbledore. That's a lot less or, you know, sorry. Dumbledore. Dumbledore. Dumbledore.
00:32:29
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um gogora alberta dumbaldora
00:32:34
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Wait, I'll Alberta Dumbledore. No, no, no. He has several middle names. Hold on. Let me pull up. Percival Wolfrick Brian Dumbledore. Look at you. Wow. Two points to Ravenclaw. I've read Harry Potter. Gryffindor. Remember, I'm representing Gryffindor. Well, whatever. Yeah. Okay. Percival. That one's hard.
00:33:02
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Per. And our, our general, our gender neutral king. Percival. Ah,
00:33:12
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ah dang it. Why is this one so difficult? perci all her perscival Percival. Percival. Percival. I mean, maybe that's the point is that it, it can be either gender, any gender.
00:33:28
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Wofricka. Wolf. ourrick we tough her perceiveva perceive them perva will freakta orta well and brian prianna brianna dumbold Alberta Perciva. Wofrita. Brianna Damboldora.
00:33:57
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I want to change that. Oh my god. Imagine Harry name, you know, his, the name of his child is very questionable. um Alberta Severis, because isn't it like Al Albus Severis? So it would be Albertus Seversa, Seversa, Seversa, Seversa, Albreza Potter. I mean, honestly, it doesn't sound worse. Hagrina.
00:34:27
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ha greenna Wow, that would be something because they would talk about how large she is. Yeah. Mm hmm. And again, the appearance being like dirty. Yeah. And like scraggly. But she I mean, the motherly thing, the because he he's very motherly to all those animals. So she would, you know, have that in the bag. I think hygrena would be a very yeah big cat lady.
00:35:00
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She'd be a big dragon lady. Yeah, but like that's what I'm saying. Like cat lady replaces magical creatures. So it's a very magical creature lady. yeah They would. They would call her them. Well, I mean. That cat, what would it be? The crazy dragon lady? I don't know. Because he also. He just likes all the weird animals.
00:35:28
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Which I mean is I think that's one of the characters if gender swap like would be reasonably like realistic. I feel like. like taking taking the concept of Hagrid aside, like if you just take the personality points of Hagrid and just apply it to a woman, like you can easily see that coming to fruition in your mind of just being able to be like, oh, like this is a ah unique character that has different aspects because I would think that a woman would take those personality traits and portray them way differently than um ah than a man would, for sure.
00:36:08
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Yeah, this is so what about a Milton McGonagall. Milton is a man's name, right? Milton, I feel really sexist saying all of these things that I've said. I'm not liking myself right now. Well, ah what about the Voldorina? Oh, my gosh, you're right.
00:36:32
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Wait, sorry, I just want to go on the record. And I was thinking you were saying Milton as like McGonagall's female name for getting the McGonagall's already female. So I just want to clear that up. Yeah, listen, man, man, McGonagall, Milton, mcowton the man, McGonagall.
00:36:57
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but unfortunately and that's i mean to be called ah I feel like there wouldn't be much difference between now that but what I like is that for, um well, again, maybe this is going back, sorry, like four thoughts are flying through my head right now. So maybe this is going back to like taking away from a strong female character because everybody respects McGonagall, female McGonagall. And if Minerva was just like Milton,
00:37:33
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then people would have you know that same level of respect and that's what's one of the things that's so great about original McGonagall is that she is so well respected because she's consistent and fair and strict but but consistent with it and so and treats everybody kindly you know She's not strict in the same way that Sevressa is. And so I think that i think that's what one of the reasons why it's so great that she is a female character, because we need need those.
00:38:05
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Yes, I agree. but I would love to see Milton McGonagall versus Douglas Umbridge. Right. I feel like that that confrontation like between two men, I i would love to see that confrontation between two men. and Probably would be a fist fight. Not all men confrontations involve fist fights.
00:38:31
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hashtag But I think Milton and um um what did you call him? um Douglas. Douglas Umbridge. Okay. um Yeah, I think those two would probably end up in the fist fight. But James, you were about to talk about Voldemort a little while ago.
Voldemort and Ron: Swapped Perspectives
00:38:46
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And I i do I want to talk about Voldemort's dynamic as a woman.
00:38:50
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specifically his parents though because if we flip-flop those genders it's going to be a man that puts a woman under a ah love spell and basically rapes a woman as opposed to the woman doing it to the male which was it's an issue like people talk about it but it would be much bigger issue I think if it was the other way around ooh
00:39:17
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yeah And then how does that affect Voldemort as a woman instead of as a man? I think it would affect them a little bit similar because I believe Voldemort's the way that he is because he was born under the influence of a love potion. So according to what I know about that, that just means that he doesn't have a lot of love in his heart, if any at all.
00:39:44
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Um, and that's just like, that's just the consequences of being born under the influence of a love potion. So if it's the same premise, then I would assume Vold Arena would be the same way.
00:40:02
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But like, you know I think would have different, maybe different, like different reasons. Like, Oh, like my father forced.
00:40:14
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No, actually that wouldn't work because Voldemort hates his father. So this Volarina would have to hate the mother if it would have to be the same.
00:40:26
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ah No, that's right. Yeah, no, that's a thinker. Yeah, that's ah that is that's a really good one to think about. I think it's like it's also just too heavy for a light-hearted, pews-themed, gabfest podcast. I'm ready. Let's get into it. hey
00:40:48
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What about Ron? Rhonda.
00:40:54
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I don't think that his character would change too much because let me think. i He's a little bit whiny and negative.
00:41:06
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So again, I'd be curious about people's response to the same things, to Rhonda saying the same things as Ron, but i I agree, I don't think it would be too much of a difference. I feel like the things that people say negative about Hermione and the things that they say negative about Ron would just be switched. Like they would, the things they say now negative about Ron, they would just be saying about Hermione and then vice versa, because They have, they're not the same cons, but they're, how do I put what I'm thinking in two words? They're like,
00:41:50
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Hermione's negative traits are that she's very opinionated and bossy kind of, right? And then Rod is that he's whiny. So if you could switch those and you have a female whiny person and then a male that's bossy, like it's not that different of a conversation. I could see i could see a male Hermione. Well, do we name the male Hermione yet?
00:42:23
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I don't know how you term in my knee Herman Herman Granger.
00:42:32
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ah I could see Herman being like, like the same you doing the same bossy attitude but like then somebody would go and be like, turn that bossy attitude into like,
00:42:43
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a whiny type thing. And the bossiness comes out whiny because he would be a studious opinionated person, but it would come out whiny just because of that male aesthetic type thing. And then like talking earlier about the the you had said, Captain Marvel, I was thinking um Hermione would be like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory and I would consider him kind of whiny. Yeah.
00:43:13
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because he's pretty close yeah you know he's just trying to be correct and it just comes out. Well, all the guys in Big Bang Theory are a little whiny ah in their own way. like They all have their own little whininess in them in their own way. um But I could see that flipping on the girl side too. like I could see the the whiny Rhonda be more coming more coming off of as like a bossy a bossy girl with opinions. like yeah She would say the same thing that Ron would say
00:43:50
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But it would come off more of a like, my opinion is higher than yours where you can do about it. So even though it may not be intended to do that, like it may not even be intended to do that, but it will come off that way. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's almost like the Hermione character is just Ron now and the Ron character is now Hermione. Could they love each other and get married? ah Yeah. yeah and So their their arc doesn't change at all.
00:44:20
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Uh, what about Draco Malfoy?
Stereotypes and Creative Speculations
00:44:26
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So again, going back to the Mean Girl, she would just be a Mean Girl with her two little cronies. Yeah. Yeah, I do feel like she would, her character would not change very much.
00:44:43
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Draco. What Mr. and Mrs. Weasley? and they They wouldn't, they would just... Well, it would be really interesting because Mrs. Weasley is like the ah quintessential mother. and oh so So it's a stay-at-home dad instead of a stay-at-home mom. And the mom's going at the ministry and working. And the dad is the one obsessed with the hot author in book two.
00:45:10
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Oh, Gilda Lockhart. Yeah. Gilda. Gilda. I like that. Gilda Lockhart. You know, that's actually really interesting to think about. That'd be pretty funny. I want all of the Weasleys, like the Weasley twins being girls.
00:45:33
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mischievous girls. Yeah, they're all girls except for Jim. is Jimmy. know yeah jimmy jim and
00:45:44
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And then think about cute little 11 year old Jimmy having such a big crush on Harrietta. Yeah. And that's still I feel like that would still still pretty cute. I think sisters best friend.
00:45:59
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I think that um the, well, it's a classic tale, right? I mean, I feel like that's, you know, i any gender is gonna have those, that in it. But I think um the Weasley twins, ah okay, Fred and George, so it'd be Georgina and. Fredrika. Oh, Fredrika. They would not be received the same way, I think. I think it's similar to um who were we talking about earlier? Oh, the Marauders and how. I don't think they would be necessarily mean girls, because they're not. No, they're not mean girls, but yeah, I think it i there's just. what if They're going to be like a form of Tonks because Tonks was like a ah trickster type scenario. I would I would see Georgina and Fredrika being a form of Tonks.
00:46:53
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They would be Tina Fey and Amy Poehler. Ooh, I do like that.
00:47:01
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Nice, yep. Unfortunately, Georgina, all I can think of is a very mean woman in Gossip Girl, like Georgina. so But yeah, I like the idea of them being Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
00:47:17
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her Oh my God. Well, the woman who plays Georgina, ah Michelle Trakt, I can't remember how to spell her last name or how to pronounce it. She should play Draco Malfoy. Oh, she would be perfect at it. My my new favorite, Alyssa Moody. Oh, that's a good one. That would be an interesting
00:47:46
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character because they're all scarred you know yeah yeah how missing an eye oh what an interesting additional character is a love interest for moody oh and how they handle his death Yeah, like an equally battle scarred woman. I almost think it should be very dainty woman. Oh my goodness. I, okay, as somebody who has like 200 romance novels behind me currently, I love this idea.
00:48:29
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And I really want somebody to write there's I am sure that there's fanfic already written about this and I'm kind of scared to search it on the internet. So because it's big. Yeah.
00:48:40
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So if anybody comes across any, please send it my way. It would be a little revenge arc for the love and interest of Moody because whoever killed Moody in that The Seven Harrys, they will go get revenge and kill that person and in the final battle or wherever. But that person survives because we do we do have Lupin and Tox both lose their lives together. So I wouldn't want another couple to lose their life.
00:49:06
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She survives and has like survivor's guilt. Sarah Day, this is such a good idea. Two points for me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm not gonna let this go now.
00:49:24
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Moody has to have a love interest. We have to start a petition now. All right, well that was a really great kind of, we circled back to Cameron's first question. So we've kind of covered all three of his points. Cameron, what a great question because we have been talking for almost 40, like almost an hour now. We didn't even talk about Lupin who's been serious. We didn't talk about any of the marauders. Okay, so obviously we have to come back. Or Neville or Luna. Oh my goodness. Okay, this is gonna have to be a multi-part.
00:49:56
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so We'll come back to this one for sure.
Preview of Next Episode
00:49:58
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Thank you, Cameron. Well, we we did not talk about theme parks and divination, like I said at the top of the episode. But thank you so much, everybody, for causing havoc with us today. We'll definitely come back to this topic. ah Cameron, again, thank you so much for writing in and giving us this prompt.
00:50:15
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Next time we'll go back to our page to screen analysis and we will be covering another duo chapter 17 and 18 cat rat and dog and Mooney wormtail padfoot and prongs This is an hour and 27 minutes and 35 seconds through an hour and 33 minutes and 3 seconds James where can our listeners find you?
00:50:38
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Awesome. Before I get into that, I do also want to apologize to our listeners, because I believe in the last episode, we talked about us talking about Quidditch and having a big Quidditch episode. ah Let's just say that's still happening. But we had some scheduling conflicts, and so we're just going to have to push it back into a later date. ah So just for those who were thinking that this was going to be a Quidditch episode, that's the explanation there. We just wanted to build up the excitement for everyone. Exactly.
00:51:07
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00:51:29
Speaker
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00:51:58
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