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Today, we are analyzing [Goblet of Fire Chapter One: The Riddle House with special guest Josh Cook from the Alomora Podcast].
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:21
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Welcome to Peeves' Gap Fest, where sometimes we host it chapter by chapter, page the screen analysis of the Harry Potter series, and sometimes we just have a common rude chat. I'm Sarah Day. I'm James.
00:00:33
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And I'm Meigs. And today we're analyzing the Goblet of Fire, chapter one, The Riddle House with special guest, Josh Cook from the Elora Mora podcast.
Josh's Harry Potter Journey
00:00:44
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Welcome Josh. Yay. here That's my best impression of Hufflepuff. Tell us a little bit more about your podcast and a little bit more about yourself, how you got into Harry Potter and of course what house you're in.
00:01:01
Speaker
Yeah. So, um, Laura, they were like the original, uh, Harry Potter book club podcast, uh, doing chapter by chapter analysis of the, uh, Harry Potter series. Um, we're working through our second, um, I guess read through of it with, um, with different hosts and things like that. And, um, my Harry Potter journey started really late in life. Uh, my wife, uh, Sydney asked me to watch the movies with her and I was really disappointed.
00:01:30
Speaker
with, um, I was really disappointed with the, with the movies in general, uh, mainly because of Dumbledore. Uh, you know, I'd heard people like make jokes and like talk about how great Dumbledore was. Um, and I just didn't see that on the screen, uh, through the entire, uh, eight ah movie, um, you know,
00:01:52
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I guess saga. gaga ah Yeah. Look at us. And so that started I started reading the books. I travel quite a bit for work. So I started, I listened to the Jim Dale audio books and fell in love with the series.
House Identities and Personalities
00:02:05
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I was probably 25, 26 at the time and fell in love with it. ah Found Aloha Mora, started listening to them, made friends with Kat Miller, one of the creators of it. And you know,
00:02:18
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found a family that I needed at the time and here I am. Now I'm just making my rounds and um all that kind of stuff. I'm a Gryffindor. um I don't know if anyone could just tell that from the way I talk, but yeah, I'm um' a very, I tell everyone I'm a very Gryffindor-y Gryffindor. I am, if you look at, you know, I am a stereotypical Gryffindor to say the least.
00:02:43
Speaker
I usually say I'm a stereotypical Hufflepuff. My wife is a Hufflepuff and my best friend's a Hufflepuff. So I always tell people ah surround yourselves with with as many Hufflepuffs as you can.
Spoiler Warning: Page to Screen Adaptations
00:02:58
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Absolutely. Thank you. Two points for Hufflepuff, please. Somehow we have two. I have two Slytherin daughters, I think. so we'll see how I think I might have a Slytherin daughter as well. Yeah. Well, I think all toddlers are Slytherins a little bit. I want the thousand percent. Yeah, I'm happy to be here.
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Chapter 1: The Riddle House Discussion
00:08:27
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Welcome back, listeners. So let's dive right in. This chapter opens with a backstory of this man named Frank um and how the riddles have been murdered. There's no way there's no evidence of how this family was murdered, just that they died. um Frank is to blame. The townsfolk are all a gossip about it. And then we
00:08:58
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flash forward, I guess, some years. Frank is still taking care of this house. He sees somebody inside. He goes to investigate. Turns out it's the one, the only, the Dark Lord. and um He kind of has an internal debate with himself um about what to do with the situation, but he He can't quite make up his mind and he ends up falling victim to Voldemort. um So a little bit of this is cut from the film. it's A little bit. um So I guess any um glaring thoughts anybody wants to get off their chest before we kind of dive into the nitty gritty?
00:09:46
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i I kind of want to say that this movie did a good job with starting with this chapter because it would have been really easy to just skip it and start the movie a different way, I feel like. But the fact that they even just considered putting it in and just kind of starting the movie from this guy's perspective,
00:10:13
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um kind of sets the tone for where we're going because we all know who Peter Pettigrew was from the last movie. We're seeing this other guy talking to the voice and the and where it's kind of it's kind of screaming in our faces, oh my gosh, this is the Dark Lord. um And so this movie's got something to do with the Dark Lord. And so it's like incentivizing you to go like, oh, correct, like things are gonna get hectic here.
00:10:40
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I like that. So I want to give the movie a a little bit of credit with starting with the chapter because ah later chapters, because JK Rowling does a good job of starting the book with a random chapter from a different point of view from this point forward. And later movies don't do the same thing.
00:11:05
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Right. That's a good point. They they kind of start, uh, start in on chapter two or three, uh, and go from there. They skip chapter one altogether. So this is like one of the first movies that does this and probably is the only movie that does this. I don't want to like say, say that there's others without actually fact checking for sure. But, um, so I'm kind of impressed that this is how it starts because it definitely sets the tone for the entire film going forward.
00:11:33
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Well, yeah, I think it grabbed, it grabbed the scene at least, you know, I mean, whenever the movie starts, it you you start in the, in a graveyard, you go through, you see Nagini going through the, uh, like into the house and things like that. But, um, I think that the first chapter of Goblet of Fire is one of the first true, like creepy scenes that we see in the series. And like, even though it cut out the backstory of Frank brass,
00:11:59
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I don't think it's necessary for the story. I think it's nice information to have, which is what the book is supposed to be there for anyway. If you want more information, read the book. Um, I don't think a whole lot is missed here as far as setting the scene. Um, I still remember, so because I was, because I was older, I still remember the first time ah I like, I was listening to, uh, to this, to this chapter. I remember starting Goblet of Fire and I was in, um,
00:12:28
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I used to live like in a little housing development. They had like a little gym. They had like a treadmill that you would get on, like yeah I would run on. It was really late at night. I was the only person in there. It was like, I had like half the lots on. I was listening to the first chapter because I was listening to Harry Potter. Like how scary could it be? Um, little this is the freakiest fricking chapter I've ever heard. And so like I'm facing a wall and I'm listening to this chapter and I'm scared out of my mind.
00:12:55
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It was like, I'm like looking over my shoulder. I'm like freaking out. And then, you know, I'm not, I'm not the biggest movie Harry Potter movie fan, as I mentioned earlier, but like watching it again, like it really set that scene. It's very creepy. It's very,
00:13:13
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It pulls you in very quickly. That's what that's the one thing I've really liked about this. the start of this movie yeah As we were finishing up the prisoner of Azkaban, I was trying to remember how does the Goblet of Fire open because I know I remembered a lot is cut, but I'm like, I know Frank is in there. And then you know we really don't get anything of Quidditch and then you know with this then we're there at Hogwarts. And I'm like, how does the movie open? I really could not remember how it opened. And when I watched it today and Nagini comes out of the statues, at first I forgot
00:13:48
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I knew it was Nagini, but I'm like, where is she? What is happening? Why are we opening here? And then the title screen I think comes on and we um zoom out onto Frank's house and then the Riddle's house up on the hill. And I'm like, like okay, i get we are getting right into it. And you're right, it really does set the the tone. I'm like, oh shit, this is dark. we're you know, we are the tone has changed. The first two are so happy. We talked a lot about how the third book is a lot more darker in color. And that's kind of sets the preface for the rest of the series. And then we open with this snake coming out of the cemetery statue. And like you said, it was probably the creepiest thing you've heard at this point. So the the tone has definitely changed. And I'm excited to see more of that moving forward.
00:14:38
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Yeah, we miss we miss a lot of the information from like Frank's like
Critique of Goblet of Fire Movie
00:14:43
Speaker
narration, like his own narration in the books of, you know, he talks about it was always like that in the war. Like he would always like be able to step up whenever like times were where, when the time called for it or whatever. But like you see him go through that in the movie at least. So I do think that you see the the only thing that I really miss is whenever Frank and Voldemort are like,
00:15:06
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are in front of each other, you miss Frank, like kind of standing up for himself at least. Like, um, you know, talking about how he doesn't understand some of the words that they're using like Quidditch and, um, you know, things like that. But even, even whenever he like confronts them or Dumbledore, sorry, uh, Baltimore about all Lord, like what kind of Lord are you that kind of stuff? I i wish that we had that in there instead of like the,
00:15:35
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You know, he kind of gave up pretty quick. Yes, exactly. And I would love um even if the show kind of opens up in a pub and it's all the townspeople kind of gossiping about Frank and the murders and everything that's happening. And then we can um jump forward a few years and have kind of basically what weve we have in the film. But I think you're absolutely right. Like we do miss a lot of who this character is.
00:16:02
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in what he's been through in the short scene. And it takes a lot away from when he comes back later on in the book um and was like, you know, this man killed me. Like you go get him, Harry. yeah um Because there's no, he's just this random guy in the film. And we don't understand that like emotional impact that he really is like gonna be ah Harry's cheerleader to get this guy. Cause he knows this man is not a good guy.
00:16:33
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That is a very interesting insight because he's just aran a man. Yeah, that's crazy. but do think he I do think having him be ah a braver was a disservice to the character because he showed a lot of bravery when he was kind of just like called out. He's like, well, I'm screwed, but I'm not going to be a chicken about it. And he was just like approaches this random guy that he he knows is evil and he's just like come face me as a man and asks him to turn the chair around kind of scenario but boy did he not know what he was getting into.
00:17:19
Speaker
And I think that's a really good point, too, is the contrast between if this was a wizard, they would have known what was not what was happening, but they would have known like, oh, my God, is this Lord Voldemort? Is he who must not be named? But because he's a muggle, he has no idea what's happening. He's so confused. They could be spies or criminals. um And so that contrast.
00:17:43
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He can't, he can't see Voldemort anyway. So like in the scene, you know, Voldemort's like facing away from him. So like, all he can hear is that high pitched voice anyway. So like, I don't even know if a, I don't even know if a, if a witch or wizard would have known that that was Voldemort sitting there, uh, because when's the last time any of them saw, uh, Peter Pettigrew? And then we know that Barty Cross Jr. is there. So like, maybe they would have recognized him. I don't know. So.
00:18:12
Speaker
Well, he wasn't in the book, right? Barty Crouch wasn't in the book. But also just the verbiage that they're saying, I think, could give away. Like, I'm talking about the conversation that they're having, because doesn't Peter Predicru call him, like, I don't know, the dark, Death Eaters say the dark lord, right? Yes. Yeah, or he at least says my lord. But yeah.
00:18:41
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I'm so glad you brought that back to my attention because, um, Barty Crouch Jr. being in the first scene of the movie. what well no so like it It's, it is disingenuous because like when Harry's recalling this dream that he has, which like I've got a lot of thoughts about why Harry can see this anyway, but Harry knows that there's another person there just doesn't recognize him or maybe he doesn't see him.
00:19:12
Speaker
So like Goblet of Fire, the book is set up as a mystery all the way through. Like, you know, something's up, but you can't quite put your finger on it. But honestly, like, as soon as Harry then sees through the pen sieve that, uh, as Barty Carson Jr's, uh, trial, half of the mystery is already gone. So you know that something's up, like something's happening there. And we don't have that. We don't know that in the book. So the whole, the whole mystery is kept throughout the book.
00:19:40
Speaker
In the movie, half the mystery is given away immediately. Like, you still don't know what's up with Moody. You still don't know that Crouch is actually at Hogwarts, but you know he's gonna be important. He knows there's this other character. Yeah, right. And it's almost like, I mean, it's kind of, it gives away who he is at the World Cup. Yes. Mm-mm-mm.
00:20:09
Speaker
Yeah, um I ah definitely understand everyone's issue with Goblet of Fire movie as a whole. um Because there is a lot of ah things cut
Movie Entertainment vs. Book Content
00:20:19
Speaker
out. It is a fun movie though. Like if you just wanted to set and like veg out to one of the Harry Potter movies, absolutely I think this is it.
00:20:27
Speaker
Well, and funny that you say that, um I agree. It is a fun movie. But this is also, I listen to the Jim Dale audiobooks to fall asleep. And I usually bounce back and forth between book four and book five because they're they're not too dark yet. there They last the whole night. They don't end in the middle of the night. And they're just fun stories. And they're they're just life in the wizarding world for the most part. Yeah. Yeah, it is nice. One thing that you don't,
00:20:57
Speaker
Another thing that I wish that that that would have been in there is like the frustration that you can see Peter going through of Voldemort calling Barney Krauss Jr. his most fate my most faithful servant all this kind of stuff and then Peter like What about me? I'm here like why don't why don't you care that I am here now, too? um And then yeah you just you can't see the difference between hey Barney Krauss Jr.
00:21:26
Speaker
He, he seeked me out because he wanted to see the rise. You seeked me out because you didn't have anywhere else to go, Peter. Freaking Peter Pettigrew. Voldemort just called him out. All right. So how do we feel about, Oh, okay.
00:21:44
Speaker
So how do we feel about the conversation that we kind of touched on it a little bit so far, but the conversation between the Dark Lord and Frank in this, um let's kind of start with the way Nagini is introduced. Cause he in the book is, he sees the snake and that's what he's trying to be like, should I run? I mean, the only place I can go is towards this maker into this room with these killers. um That's kind of taken out. And then Nagini of course tells voltimorre that there's a muggle outside the door, and then we have this confrontation. So let's talk a little bit about this. I love hearing the Parseltongue in the movie. you know um I didn't even realize it was happening. I thought that was like a special effect they were trying to put on. And then I was like, oh, no, that's Parseltongue. Because in the book, it talks about like
00:22:36
Speaker
I think Frank does say something about it sounded like his son or something like that. Like he really couldn't tell. i know I know he had an issue with like words that Peter and Voldemort were talking, like actually saying to each other. But I like that we had Parselmouth in this scene here that that he could hear. and And we as listeners, as as as you know fans, should understand what that means by now.
00:23:00
Speaker
I like it as well, and I really like that it's, of course, a feminine voice use doing the Parseltongue for Nagini. I mean, we all know that she's a female snake. And if we take Fantastic Beasts as canon, we know she used to be a person like ah a woman and um she was forever cursed. But I do agree that it was nice to hear that Parseltongue. And um I just wish that they would have focused on Frank a little bit more, but I know that it was a huge book and a very short, well not a short film, but a huge book to put into a film. Perhaps they shouldn't have made films. Maybe they should have just done a TV show at the beginning. Well, that's what we're looking forward to in 2026. That's preposterous. Why would you do that? I know, right? Yeah, I agree. i think that I wish that they would have had more of Frank in there, but yes, of course it does make sense that there's only so much that they can put in. so
00:23:56
Speaker
I do think that they, they gave him, they did have a lot of him in there. If, if you look at, if you look at y'all with the virus being a poor at it adaptation anyway, I am surprised at the amount that he was in at least, uh, you know, just like James said earlier, like they could have just cut all this out to begin with and just showed a mogul being killed. Just so that there was a mogul being but not resurrected. I don't even know if they needed that, you know, I mean,
00:24:24
Speaker
If they cut Frank out, I don't think they need, I don't think they needed to kill a Muggle. They could have just started with Cedric. Oh, coming out of the wand. Yes. Okay. So it is interesting that they even included this at all.
Anticipation for TV Series Adaptation
00:24:37
Speaker
Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. For once they included something. And it's interesting. I don't know. I mean, I guess because it has to, like it's, volul it stars Voldemort, but it's interesting that they included this pre chapter.
00:24:54
Speaker
You know, prologue chapter, if you will, as opposed to, um, the two ministers in the, latin in the, is that, is it the seventh book that the two ministers are. That's in six because it's right after serious loud.
00:25:10
Speaker
Okay. So, um, it is interesting that they, oh yes, that's right. Cause it's also the Snape chapter is that one where they make the unbreakable vow. Yeah. Um, yeah cause fudge is talking to the minister saying I'm retired because you know, Voldemort's back and everybody hates my guests. Right. And the two ministers doesn't, there's no other than fudge and introducing the new minister. There's really no character. Um.
00:25:33
Speaker
main character, you know, that they're like in this chapter, we have Voldemort, which is the main antagonist. So I guess that's makes sense as to why they included it. And there was the opportunity to include David Tennant in this scene. And so um but it is a really interesting choice. Like why out of all the things they cut out, why did they choose to include this? um ah the The only I thought about that a lot today after I had watched that that scene.
00:26:03
Speaker
And I just, I keep coming back to the, they were trying to set a scene and the killing of Frank really does do that. It, it allows you to start the movie in that creepy spot to set up. Hey, we're dark now. We are all, we're, we're all going to be sad from here on out because it's not, you kind of have to start at the Quidditch World Cup then. And then you're, you're, you're, kind you're starting to, you're starting to happy.
00:26:31
Speaker
I do like the contrast of that though. I don't want this show to do this. i don't I want the show to include more of this backstory, but if the movie had started out with the Quidditch World Cup, um And then we ended with Cedric Diggory's death. That would have been the turn that this book is. we start we The first three books have been relatively cheerful. Harry has entered this new amazing world. The fourth book is the turning point in the entire series. So having that open up on that, Happy Go Lucky, he's at the Wizarding World Cup. And then we end. Voldemort is back. Cedric is dead.
00:27:06
Speaker
This is the way the rest of the series is going to go as the movies. I think that could have worked, but I don't want that for the show. Hmm. I see. I like the bookend. I like the bookend of starting, starting with a dark mystery that like, you don't, you don't know why it's so dark. You don't know why we've like really changed over right now, other than Peter escaped in, uh, prisoner of Azkaban. And then by the end of it, yeah, we are in a whole new series by the end of job of the fire.
00:27:36
Speaker
I like that it's at least bookended a bit with darker motifs that even even if the start of it is is dark mystery and the end is just, we're all gonna die. Like everyone's gonna die. I kind of like that, but I would maybe go more toward, I want the show to kind of maybe go towards more of a Um, we're still in this happy wizarding world. Uh, but there's this looming darkness, um, coming ahead. Uh, cause I want the Triwizard tournament to be very happy. I want the Triwizard tournament to be like, obviously it's an intense thing and there's danger and stuff, but like people are happy. They're excited. They're celebrating. They're cheering for the the champions. Um,
00:28:28
Speaker
obviously there you know they're ignorant to what's going on in the background with Lord Voldemort creating this dark plan and his rise to power and all that stuff.
00:28:40
Speaker
because this is just a fun experience, a once in a lifetime opportunity. The Tri-Wizard Cup is coming back after it had been banned for who knows how long. um So they get to cheer for their champions, et cetera, et cetera. So like I really hope that we get to capture that feeling, but not cut undercut the like overwhelming looming uh, darkness that we know is happening because that's part of the mystery as, as what we're talking about. Well, I think the show can do this really well. And I think there's, it's going to be almost a roller coaster because if we start out with this whole Frank backstory, and this could even be the first two episodes, right? We have Frank and then we have the Dursleys and getting that letter with all of the stamps on it. And that's a comedic relief.
00:29:32
Speaker
um And then we ah go to the Weasleys and we find out about the ah Weasleys, Wizards, Weezes and then we go to the World Cup and we have that all experience and then we have the Death Eater attack at the World Cup. So back down and then we go back to Hogwarts and we learn about the um Goblet of Fire. tryzard try Thank you. The Tri-Wizard Tournament. ah So we're back up. We're all excited about this really cool, fun year. um And then Harry's name gets pulled. So now we're back down. And then he does the successful first task. So we're back up. um And then, of course, the ending of the book. We come back down. So this this season of the show is going to be, I mean, if they nail it, it's going to be, I think, fantastic television.
Nagini's Character in Fantastic Beasts
00:30:23
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I can agree with that.
00:30:28
Speaker
Did you say you can argue with that or agree with that? I can agree with that. Okay. All right, I have a cough wrap in my mouth. I'm sure you could also argue with that too. If it may be. Isn't that the sign of a great debater if you could just argue even if you don't believe in your argument? Yeah, totally.
00:30:50
Speaker
The The Nateland podcast is so good at that. It's so funny because it's Nate in particular, Nate Bargetzi, he's a comedian for those of you. might not recognize the the podcast name um but they'll like talk about something random and then they'll all like pick a side and just argue it and it's so funny because like they'll argue like any side of it and like come up with like these really funny debates and it's funny it's like not they're not like genuinely debating like they're upset or anything but it's just so they're so funny and good at doing that so it would be it would be very funny to hear them discuss a harry potter adaptation because that's like there's like a whole bunch of emotions that we can throw in there about how these um how these books are adapted definitely so before we move on to anything i want to maybe touch a little bit on a character that's been introduced in this chapter
00:31:52
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That becomes a big part of the story overall, and that is Nagini. ah um How do we feel about the changes that Nagini overwint in the Fantastic Beasts series?
00:32:11
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Are we accepting that this is canon? Like are we, are we having a discussion, but no like ah assuming this is canon? I think it's a really interesting backstory and i I still get upset that they didn't complete the series because I would have liked to see that play out. I'm still dying to see Grindelwald and Dumbledore's great epic battle and their history on screen. So I really would have, I really liked the story of Nagini and I really would have liked to see that on film.
00:32:41
Speaker
I agree because just because they've introduced it and like they're like she is a person now and she transforms into a snake permanently later but like how did that happen where did that goes but I think if you take that into consideration the the entire character from beginning of when she's introduced to the end of the ah story is like changed it's not just a pet snake anymore it's There's more to this than meets the eye kind of scenario. Was she ever really considered a pet snake though? I mean, I've never thought of her as a pet snake. I've never thought of her as a pet snake. Even Dumbledore says, I think the only thing that Voldemort ever cared about was Nagini. And I would have loved to see how they, I would love to see, to know
00:33:35
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how how that relationship was formed and why. I agree with you, Josh. I don't think Voldemort sees her as a pet. I do think he,
00:33:46
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Dangiti is the only thing that he cared for that's alive. um And why? I want to know why is it, why is she so special? Is it because she's a snake and he has that, you know, he's a parcel tongue. So he has that connection and is it more than that? What is the connection there?
00:34:06
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So the thing that she's called is a maledictus. It's a individual who inherited and carried a rare and dangerous type of blood curse. Yeah. If, if Voldemort looked at Nagini as a pet, there is no chance that she would have ever been turned into a horcrux. Well, I wasn't saying that I think she, he sees her as a, who like a pet kind of scenario.
00:34:36
Speaker
Um, now I was saying before the fantastic beast came out, I always considered her as Voldemort's pet because that's what it felt. But like now knowing that she's not a pet and then she's more than that, it's like.
00:34:52
Speaker
It changes the entire dynamic of what Nagini is in the story. I feel like JKR almost added this to those films to prove to further prove that she wasn't a pet. to like I think she always knew Nagini wasn't a pet snake, that she was always more to him and she kind of threw this story into have an explanation for that of why she's not just a snake and why is Nagini special? um Like why can she can can all snakes speak Parseltongue or just certain snakes? And I know that Harry talks to the snake in the zoo, so probably all snakes. But Nagini is special for some reason. Like you said, he, Voldemort wouldn't have made Nagini a Horcrux if she wasn't special. He used special.
00:35:44
Speaker
items that meant something to him. um So I, yeah, I think having that backstory, having made her a real person who had this curse, um like what about that spoke to Voldemort and made him so attached to Nagini?
00:36:07
Speaker
Interesting. Yeah, wish that they hadn't stop those films. I really I know I really would have I don't care how bad the third one was. I really liked those movies. and I really wanted to see them all play out. I'd rather have movies that were like kind of discombobulated and not as well done as they could have been then nothing then like stopping in the middle of it. That's yeah right. wayward Right. Yeah, I think so too.
00:36:33
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Um, however, to play devil's advocate, I think that we wouldn't be getting the show right now in 2026, if they had continued the movies. True.
00:36:45
Speaker
Agreed. The, the question of canon is interesting anyway of, of, I mean, people get really been out of shape about whether or not these movies are.
00:36:57
Speaker
Um, our candidate or not. My stance has always been, if it makes sense, let's go ahead and run with it. Uh, if it doesn't, they did it for, they did it maybe not for a good reason, but they did it for a reason. It's just like, like maybe it was in the first one. I'm not familiar enough. Um, but like, just like with, uh, McGonagall being in the first movie. Right. Who cares? It doesn't really matter. Like, and then.
00:37:26
Speaker
like Nagini being a person that turns into a snake and is ah and is a Maledictus, like that is good information that I think that we could grab onto and bring into the series that we know and that we love and we know is canon. So ah I'm almost like a pick and choose of of any information outside of the seven books, um whether it's canonical or not. And I'm just not going to get been out of shape about it. You know, some of it makes sense. Some of it doesn't make sense. Uh, if it helps me understand these relationships a little bit better than I think that it's a win. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great outlook to have any other first child.
00:38:09
Speaker
be I feel the same way about ourselves. This is past information. i'm I'm good with canon past, not canon
Film Adaptation Likes and Dislikes
00:38:19
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future. Can't do that. Any other final thoughts before we get into our our peeves pleasure and and peeve and salute?
00:38:30
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I don't think so. I think we touched on everything. No Meeks is lightning round. um I don't have a lightning round today. Okay. All right. Well, very it's a pretty short chapter. yeah Yeah. It's a short chapter. yeah chapter um For any new listeners, first, thank you for joining us. Secondly, we end our episodes. We all do a Peeves' pleasure, a Peeves' peeve, and a Weasley salute. Our Peeves' pleasure is something we liked about this chapter's adaptation. Our Peeves' is peeve, of course, is something we didn't like, something that peeved us.
00:39:10
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And our Weasley salute is a moment from the book, or the film, or the adaptation, anything that stood out to us overall. It could be a person, a moment, a line, anything from this chapter. So James, why don't you please kick us off with your Peabes' pleasure? My Peabes' pleasure is just having the scene in general. That's a good one. Because again, like they could have easily just had a Dursley thing and Harry goes to the Quidditch World Cup and could have skipped it all together. But whoever directed this film, I can't remember the name of it. The person. It's not David Yates yet, right? It's a different guy. Okay. It's a different guy. I'll have to pull it up sooner or later because um'm I'll be referring to him more often than not. But
00:40:01
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he had the sense of being like, yeah, like we need this to be the start of the movie because it's gonna it's going to define the tone of what we're doing going forward. And um if anything I like about this movie, it's the it's the tone was set from the very beginning, and it worked well throughout. um So I kind of like that and how they did that. Mike Newell is the director of this one. Cool. Mike Newell.
00:40:32
Speaker
And how have I never heard that name? It gets overshadowed by David Yates. Yeah. Yeah, well, I never would have guessed that.
00:40:45
Speaker
um Meeks, what is your Peeves' pleasure? Um, just the overall vibe. I feel like they, um, even though there's, you know, details and stuff that we of course could nitpick out, I think that overall they captured the creepy vibe. Um, they really made us pity Frank, um, and like, you know, show how dangerous Voldemort was and everything. So I think that they did a good job and this like the set design and everything. Like, I think it was even with the things that they left out, I think it was a great intro.
00:41:19
Speaker
Right. Josh. All right. Cool. Guest goes after the other two. I got to figure out what to say after that. Um, let me see my peace pleasure. I liked, uh, I liked that we were able to see Frank go on from like the guest house to the manor house. Like, uh, you know, we started in the, in the graveyard and we moved to those houses and just like expanding that world out. They did not have to do that. I think it would have been a lot easier to not show.
00:41:47
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you know, Frank being in his house and going to the, uh, to the riddle house, but, uh, just kind of setting up that whole estate. Uh, I thought that was, that was a nice touch. so Yeah. Very good point. Um, kind of similar to everybody with the vibes and everything. I really liked the, um, Nagini in her CGI and how she, you know, came, this was very first thing that we saw. And then, um,
00:42:16
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and the Parseltongue we talked about earlier as well. I just really liked how they did Nagini in the scene. I agreed. All right, James Peeves is Peeves, please. Barty Crouch Jr. Oh, gosh, my goodness gracious. That bugs the crap out of me, I feel like, because If you're going for mystery, revealing half the mystery kind of just defeats the purpose of everything. Because people are going to go, Oh, we've seen that guy before when you know, we we look at him and he's like,
00:42:56
Speaker
And then Dumbledore said, I think Dumbledore eventually tells Harry that he died. And people are like, he died? That's weird. We saw him like in the dream that Harry had at the beginning of the movie. That doesn't make sense. Something's wrong here.
00:43:11
Speaker
um Completely defeats the purpose, I feel like. And especially now reading the book again and knowing that Voldemort knows he's alive and the whole reason they're doing the The thing at the Quidditch World Cup is to get his faithful servant to him um so that they can continue with the second part of this plan. I feel like it's more important to highlight than putting him in the scene. I feel it's because the David Tennant is a pretty good actor and they wanted to make use of him as best as they possibly could. So they included as many scenes as they could with him in it.
00:43:54
Speaker
A pretty good actor. That may have been part of the of the situation, but you got to know, David Tennant wasn't as famous as he is now when this was when this movie was made. That's true. He hadn't been Doctor Who yet.
00:44:12
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grown um yeah Also, but the Barty Crouch Jr. and then wishing that they would have kept more of Frank in the scene.
00:44:24
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her
00:44:27
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James, I mean, Josh, sorry. Two J's. Yeah, I got it. Yes, ah kind of the same as me. I wish that we would have seen that interaction between between Frank and Voldemort.
00:44:39
Speaker
um always like um Frank's kind of the underdog here. I like at least seeing him stand up for himself. yeah that's ah that's ah That's nice to see out of the book. And then obviously, as we talked about earlier, it comes back in the play as a Uh, in the later, uh, like in the later scene in the graveyard, uh, where he's like, go get them. You know, I couldn't do it, but you go do it Harry. You know, so it seems like, it seemed like somebody standing up to a bully, like, um, I listen i under know the man dies. So I get, yeah, whatever, but, uh, it does seem, I wish it would have been in there.
Narrative Techniques and Adaptation Improvements
00:45:16
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Yeah. Oh, I wrote down the same thing like this. It's just too short. It's a disservice to Frank. And that was my piece fee. Like I just I hope that the show can do his character a little bit more justice. All right. Moving on back back to happy thoughts. What is our Weasley salute, James? um My Weasley salute is it's kind of like the chapter itself.
00:45:45
Speaker
Because again, I talked about this a little bit at the beginning, where the chapter... and I want to correct myself in that she did this for book one, where we get a different viewpoint from somebody else than Harry's viewpoint. And so book one did that really well. But it doesn't happen in Chamber of Secrets and it doesn't happen in Prisoner of Mask of Man.
00:46:11
Speaker
This is the first time we've kind of returned to that motif of looking at somebody else's viewpoint. And I really think that it's interesting for a reader's perspective to start from this random house on the only thing that you're recognizing is the name Riddle. And you're like Riddle, Oh, that's Tom Riddle. That's connected to Voldemort. Like what's going on here? Um, I,
00:46:40
Speaker
I really think that this chapter when it gets gets add adapted into a TV show will be a very fun starting episode for the season because like I can just see it being pieced together of like maybe we are in the tavern of the town and somebody's like there's people talking to each other and you see Frank walk in and then like you just have this guy talking to another guy he's like oh who's that why is everybody scared of him like he's maybe new in town And so they're like gossiping and saying, Oh, you don't know who that is? Well, let me tell you. And like, they start telling like the backstory of Frank while Frank's there and he's like overhearing this and he's kind of like gruffled and like leaves the the pub, ah goes back to his house. Like, you know, like it progressively gets, it builds that up. And like, because it's a TV show, you have more.
00:47:34
Speaker
opportunity to stretch it out a little bit and kind of build the the momentum that you're trying to build here to get to the end of this. And so I feel like the TV show is a really great way to get this chapter to shine. and Not that the movie didn't do a good job. I think the movie did a good job.
00:47:54
Speaker
but I really feel like there's more to this chapter that you can get out of, i get out of it in a media perspective. And it just kind of starts with that. And you so doing it that way kind of lays the foundation of like the the gossip and why we're even listening to it, like why we're even watching this character. And then it brings us to Voldemort and it brings us to Nagini and Peter Pettigrew.
00:48:21
Speaker
they're plotting obviously something with the Quidditch Roll Cup and it's like setting up a couple of things and you're kind of like going, what's happening? What's going on? And then it like, then it gets more intense and all that stuff. So ah just being able to visualize it, I feel like is a worthy salute to kind of go, if I can visualize all this happening in a media standpoint for a TV show, like it's really well written of a chapter.
00:48:49
Speaker
and I kind of like how the future books take from this and kind of may start off the book with a different perspective than Harry's. And then I know written like somehow coming back to and connecting it to Harry's story with, you know, like the end of the book where it says like Harry wakes up with a start somewhere else across the country. Harry's woken up and being like, well, what happened?
00:49:15
Speaker
So I loved how it did that. And I think it's just pretty awesome, uh, from a narrative standpoint and what it could potentially be. So,
00:49:27
Speaker
well, I don't have as many cool words, but starting the book from a ah new perspective, you know, not like the, the same characters that we normally, um, get to see inside of their minds.
00:49:44
Speaker
The end. So you're agreeing with James is as your Weasley salute. I could agree. Yeah. Okay. Josh, how about you? Uh, can I read a little, like a short paragraph just for Frank? Um, yeah I really, I really liked this is whenever he's have, because that was my peeve, um, was, um, yeah, my peeve peeve. Um, I just wanted to read this, uh, cause I think it tells a lot about Frank.
00:50:12
Speaker
It says, what's that you're calling me? Said Frank defiantly. For now that he was inside the room, now that the time had come for some sort of action, he felt braver. It had always been so in the war. oh just Yeah. See, I mean, justice for Frank, please. TV show, please. Justice for Frank. Um, well, mine's a little bit more, what's the word? Super fish. Super fish. It's a professional.
00:50:43
Speaker
Yeah, yes, that's the word, superficial. um I do not like that they included Barty k Crouch Jr. in this scene, but boy, do I love David Tennant and I was so happy to see that man's face. um So my salute is David Tennant. I can't argue with that.
00:51:10
Speaker
Especially like in one of his earlier roles before, you like you said earlier, James, before he's the David Tennant that we know today. um It's just nice to see him. And like, I think you're right. Like there's a reason why they wanted to give him more screen time. And it's because he's David Tennant. Because he's he's a good actor. Yeah, I think they could see, you know, they knew it. They they knew it. And they're like, oh, we he's bringing something to Barbie couch. Let's try and give him some more time.
00:51:40
Speaker
All right. Well, any other final thoughts before we sign off here? No, I'm just so excited to be covering this book now. I mean, too this is like obviously when like things really start to change. And I've always liked this movie. I have many issues with the adaptation. But the the fun of this movie, I feel like they did a much better job. They were trying to go for this in the third film.
00:52:08
Speaker
And I think that they failed in so many ways. um And so I think that they did a good job with this film of like going for that, the fun, like you know just like silliness without it.
00:52:21
Speaker
taking away from the story and without, I don't know, like shrunken heads that they just added in everywhere and stuff. So I think that they did a really good job overall with this movie with like making it silly, even though of course the adaptation has a lot of issues. I think you just wanted a reason to say shrunken heads again. nothing thing but though That decision deserves to be admonished whenever possible. I hate i hate the third movie.
00:52:51
Speaker
more than any, yeah yes yeah. I don't like the third book either, so I guess that's true. Oh my God, you're never all coming on this podcast again. see yeah I don't really care for this book either. I've never disliked it necessarily, but it's i it is not one of the books that I've gone back to reread over and over again. Oh, I love The Prisoner of Azkaban. It's my favorite. Yeah. um And the movie,
00:53:18
Speaker
Uh, so many questionable decisions. So yeah, love the book hate the film, but I will say that the Goblet of fire is my second favorite probably of the books. Um, and I, like you said, I am very excited. Like you guys know that I have been waiting for this book to come on to our, since the very, yes, this has been the one I'm dying to talk about. So I cannot wait to get into it. And Josh, thank
Conclusion and Social Media Contacts
00:53:43
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you for being here with us for chapter one.
00:53:45
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. Pumped. Anytime I can talk about it. My wife doesn't let me talk about Harry Potter anymore. She's out. Cut off. Yep. All right. Well, I take back my earlier sentiment just because you don't like the Prisoner of Azkaban, you are more than welcome to come back on our podcast. You are past it. So I don't even have to, you know, I mean, I missed all that, thankfully. All right. Getting some good stuff now.
00:54:14
Speaker
Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Josh. Thank you, listeners, for causing havoc with us today. Next time, we'll be discussing the Goblet of Fire, chapter two, um The Scar. There is no movie portion of this chapter. And there's no movie portion of the next four chapters. So bear with us, listeners. James, where can people... Actually, Josh, let's start with you. Where can people find you on the interwebs?
00:54:39
Speaker
Uh, I'm only on Alohamora. I have no other social medias, thank God. Um, so if you want to hear more of my cornbread mouth, that's what I like to call it. Uh, you can, uh, obviously, uh, find Alohamora podcast. Um, you can find us on any, so on, you can find the podcast on any social media at open, um, at Alohamora.mn or on Facebook at open the Dumbledore. Uh, that is the only place that I am at.
00:55:09
Speaker
Cool. Right. James, where can our listeners find you? Listeners, you can go ahead and find me here on this podcast. I'm at James M Beltran on Instagram or TikTok where, you know, I do whatever. I don't like have any other special things. So, you know, if you just want to be following me, sure, go ahead. That's fine.
00:55:35
Speaker
You're always so good at selling yourself. Always. I gotta keep the trope going. You can find me on Instagram. My name is Niegs. You can find me on Instagram at Megan, M-E-G-A-N, underscore Lachowski, L-A-C-H-O-W-S-K-I. And from there you can find all my other projects.
00:55:53
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00:56:22
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