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Time Heist, Hermione's Howling, and How Does a 13 Year Old Hold Down a Hippogriff?
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Today, we are analyzing Chapter 21: Hermione’s Secret | 1:45:38 - 2:05:02
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Introduction & Spoiler Alert
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Welcome to Peave's Gabfest, where sometimes we host a chapter-by-chapter, page-to-screen analysis of the Harry Potter series, and sometimes we just have a comment room chat. I'm Meeks. I'm Sarah Day.
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thank you
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These are my co-hosts.
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And today we are analyzing chapter 21, Hermione's secret, which is minutes, well, one hour, 45 minutes and 38 seconds to two hours, five minutes and two seconds in the film. Before we start gabbing, we wanted to give a spoiler warning. We will be using our vast knowledge of the wizarding world to compare the page to the screen. And we may gab about moments that happen later in the books or films. You've been warned, Icklefirsties, before we begin a message from the Daily Prophet.
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Analysis of Hermione's Secret in Film
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So, I mean, exciting news. We have 20 full minutes of the film dedicated to this chapter. A huge portion of the I was about to say, did we actually confirm that that's accurate? I mean, I just watched it. And yeah, it's a long I got to my computer at about 740. And then I hopped on this call at 801. So Yeah, it's a 20 minute segment. That's pretty impressive ah and sad at the same time. yeah I mean, one is app well that like time that we've ever had in any adaptation. A few thoughts.
00:06:48
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a um this is one Besides everything that happens in the Shrieking Shack and right after, this is one of the most exciting chapters of the book, in my opinion. so It's great that such a huge portion of the film is dedicated to this chapter. um and It's such a turning point, I think, in the series and just a lot of growth for Harry, I guess I can say. That's exactly what I was going to say too.
00:07:18
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But also, this just shows us what the show can do with more time. Like, think about if all these chapters get 20 minutes dedicated to it. Now, I will say the movie took some liberties with this chapter, but we can get to that later.
00:07:40
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Oh! A lot of liberties. Yeah, definitely was not a fan of that.
00:07:51
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Well, James, what are your initial thoughts?
James's Mixed Feelings & Harry's Journey
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My thoughts on this chapter.
00:08:02
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Overall, like I'd be okay if it didn't exist. I was to be totally okay with.
00:08:15
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the book ending where it ended and just moving on with life. And we didn't need this whole time, like time heist thingy going on. Do you mean if like Pia de Predegru didn't run away and Lupin didn't turn into a werewolf yeah and Harry got to go live? Yeah, of course. Exactly. If it ended the way that it was going to end and out everybody was happy and like the the good guys beat the bad guys once again, like the last two chapters did.
00:08:44
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I would have been satisfied. It would have been a great ending. I would have been excited for the future. I would have been excited to see what happened. But no, we got this chapter and as much as it conflicts me on a writing standpoint, it is very well written. I can't deny that it hooks you in and you're kind of like excited for the whole point. But then you kind of just go, oh crap, we had this and now it can't happen.
00:09:09
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And you kind of feel that. And I think the reason why it's so devastating is because the last chapter, which we'll talk about later,
00:09:21
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um kind of just doesn't feel the same. it's like the first moment This is the first moment in the series where it the ending doesn't feel as satisfying.
00:09:34
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It ends on a very funny note, which I'm gonna i'm i'm gonna love talking about that. But it doesn't end like book two and book one did. right One and book two ended on a very happy note, very happy ending, all bright future looking kind of things. But Harry this year is going home with a
00:09:57
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a thing that was ah probably one of the happiest moments he's ever felt in his life and now has like a slight disappointment to it. Yeah. I mean, it was, you said it's one of the happiest things he's looking forward to and it's completely ripped away from
Turning Point in Harry's Journey
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him. Slight disappointment, James. I was trying to be nice. Why?
00:10:19
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Because that's just who I am. I'm trying to be nice. It was terrible. It was devastating. ah But he he's coming back home to the Dursleys and it's just as it's probably just as heavy and he's trying to find the bright outlook of it all. And Ron and Hermione are trying to like... boost up his spirits because they understand how devastating this was to him and what it would have meant for him to live with somebody that was in the world that he loves and he's going back and it's just, it's the one difference between this book and the other books that I feel like is very prominent before we start getting into book four, book five, book six, book seven and all of the other heavy themes that those books come with.
00:11:11
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It feels like it this book was definitely the turning point. I was just about to say a lot of people consider the fourth book the turning point, but this one was kind of the real one. Like the number one and two definitely stand out, especially the films. Like you mentioned being brighter and happier, like literally brighter films. um And then this one, like you said, like he's going back home completely
00:11:39
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devastated Disappointed that this future he could have had got completely ripped away from him. Yeah, and that's what this chapter represents, basically. In the long run, that this chapter is is exactly that. ah And the fact that this chapter was included like is interesting because i Like it could have ended differently JK Rowling could have it really felt like the ending was right there When you read it and they captured Pettigrew and they're like going home and talking it really does feel like it could have just ended they could have had a nice little celebration feast like all the building blocks were there, but then it was just ripped away and that's and necessarily what this chapter feels like and this chapter is fixing what happened in the last chapter and
00:12:33
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and it doesn't fix everything which is very apparent when Harry's talking to Dumbledore because Harry's immediate first thoughts was Dumbledore's here he can fix it he can make this right he can get the solution to happen all the things that just happened in this last chapter we can go back and we can go fix and Dumbledore denies Harry uh that uh what's that emotion called it's not satisfaction but um
00:13:05
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relief. He denies Harry the the relief the sensation of relief that he's hoping to feel because Dumbledore goes, nope, we can't solve this, but we can try and make it the best possible outcome.
00:13:18
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um Which is what this chapter basically is to me. So it's a band-aid. Uh, very poetically put in my opinion with just the chapter in, in general, but also with like the movie adaptation. It's a, it's a band-aid. Uh, and it can't heal the scar that J.K. Rowling left on me forever. Well, it's like this poor kid, Harry, just
00:13:51
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has such a tough life. um And I think there's that TikToker that just started reading Harry Potter now as an adult. And um on her reels or TikToks or whatever, she's always just like balling because but this poor kid just has such a tough life. And then, you know, he's he lost his parents as a baby. He's living with these awful people. Now this is happening with serious being given to him and then taken away. And then of course, in the next book is just awful. And it just goes downhill from there until we finally
Film vs. Book: Character Portrayals
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win. And he can live a nice life. But then like he's 18 at that point.
00:14:40
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Yeah, I agree. It just, it's really sad that um he's, he just has, he can't catch a break at all. And so I think that she intentionally wrote this book to be that it seems like it would be a happy ending, like the first and the second books kind of, you know, you know, that it's not finished, but at least it's, you know, it's getting there. And then this book is like, oh, this would be ah such a great ending even better because now he has a God, but he has a parent that cares about him.
00:15:10
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And then, of course, that can't be the case. And so I think it was very intentional how she led us to believe that this could be an ending, you know, a relatively happy ending for Harry. but And not only would he have Sirius, but he would have Lupin too. Like if he was living with Sirius, Lupin would be around all the time, I'm sure.
00:15:31
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Oh, yeah. And they would be so happy to like so much probably would have changed for them just as individual, well, obviously for serious, but I can imagine that for Lupin, he would have a lot more happiness as well. Well, he'd probably still have a job. Because if it wasn't for Voldemort, there'd be no curse on that position. Right. And so, you know, Lupin would, of course, feel Lupin and Sirius both individually would feel like, you know, their own happiness that they're not really given based on their circumstances. But then also they would get to have Harry. And then they don't get to. Yeah. Yeah, it's just really it's really frustrating as a reader to just have all of that within grasp, especially since I've liked Lupin so much this go around reading this time around.
00:16:27
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um So all three of these characters getting this almost happy ending. Oh, and then it being ripped away. Freaking Peter Pettigrew hate him. What a rat. Nice. Thank you. All right. Does anybody have any other, um, general things to speak of? Not this chapter.
00:16:54
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Um, I mean, just the general stuff that's taken out, like Snape and fudge, the whole opening sequence, Harry's waking up in the hospital and there's a conversation between Snape and fudge that's cut. And then we just go right into Harry saying he saw his dad and, um, I was over acting. I hate to say it. I feel like a lot of people like her. Um, Ron being knocked out still.
00:17:22
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changes the dynamic I think as well because Ron was awake and seeing them disappear and then they reappear through the door and he's like how did you get from there to there like right the comedic relief oh speaking of something else okay a lot of people are like They changed Ron's character to be the comedic relief in the movies. And they changed Hermione's character to be the smart one. And they gave things that Harry and Ron do to Hermione because they really liked Hermione. One of those examples is in the book, Harry figured out it was Buckbeak that Dumbledore wants to save in addition to Sirius. But in the movie, it's Hermione.
00:18:11
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Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. So I just hope that the show really sticks to these characters and gives them their the lines that they have in the book. Don't start switching who says what. And just keeps their character arcs accurate to the book. It's funny that you say that as I have been seeing more and more content about this on YouTube and other social media platforms.
Challenges of Upcoming HBO Series
00:18:41
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uh i just found a video on youtube about this group talking about the potential show and the casting announcement that had gone out saying that they're casting the trio and they were talking about how really warner brothers here has like a very, very good potential show on their hands that could yeah like could make a lot of people happy. like All that other stuff. and there though there they're they're not They didn't necessarily say they're scared, but they're skeptical that it might succeed because it might fall in the trap that's been happening for other famous fandoms that have been happening, like Star Wars.
00:19:29
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and uh lord of the rings and um marvel even like it they that they would make a show or make a movie and then it just bombs because a lot of the people that were expecting something were or disappointed um and generally some overall like some people would be satisfied with it but like at the same time the my majority of of the people would say they were disappointed. The thing I think of was like Secret Invasion. Secret Invasion for Marvel was like a very big disappointment.
00:20:11
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And from there, like other disappointments popped up. and Just generally, a good portion of the audience was just never happy. Star Wars, the same thing. There was um Solo that came out that nobody really liked. And um people were very divisive on the Acolyte recently.
00:20:34
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they've They've sometimes done good things but sometimes they didn't and so they're just very skeptical that they're going to do it well and so it's interesting that we say that they better stick to the books because there is that expectation with Harry Potter just like these other fandoms and so it could very well go completely the wrong way.
00:20:56
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ah and And basically we're kind of outlining why it could. And it's not necessarily ah some of those political things that some people complain about. it It's all about plot. It's all about characters. like like That's the thing that we're wanting out of the show. And if they don't do that right, it's not going to be an exciting show.
00:21:18
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Right. But here's the thing. A, it's HBO, I mean, or Max, whatever you want to call it. But it's HBO. So they're going to they historically do things very well. They historically have great writing, great acting, great set design. um And when it comes to the book adaptations, look at the Game of Thrones. Like that was a very successful show up until the horrible eight.
00:21:47
Speaker
I was about to say, I was like up until they didn't have any more books to base. Okay. Well, here's the thing. Harry Potter literally has a script written for them. They have all seven books completed. So there's no guesswork that needs to be involved in the making of the show. They know how it ends. They know how everything has to happen to get to that ending. They can change dialogue. They can change.
00:22:20
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the order of how things happen as long as ah like it's all leading up to the important parts that happen in the books.
00:22:33
Speaker
I have faith in HBO. I'm glad you have faith. Warner Brothers, not so much. I didn't have faith. I'm just saying general consensus is that This could be a really bombastic show. Like this could just be knocked out of the park. It could be the next big thing for like the next 10 years. Yeah. But it also has that looming cloud over it where it could just go terribly wrong. Well, and the fandom is still so divided about the show even being made. True. A lot of people think it's too soon. And a lot of people, well, a lot of people think it's too soon or not needed. And a lot of people like us are very excited about it.
00:23:17
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So the they did mention that. And so they did mention that the Harry Potter fandom does have its problems, but majority of like the the people are are excited about it. And they didn't actually say it's too early, but they agreed that it's been 10 years since anything's really come out.
00:23:35
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um We can reboot. light like It's OK to reboot the franchise, but you have to be careful with how you reboot the franchise. So I found that very interesting.
00:23:51
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but there's always going to be that contingent for sure. Well, and there's always going to, I mean, especially nowadays with social media, fandoms have gotten so big and so it's so much easier to be able to communicate with people within the fandom across the world. So you're always going to, there's always going to be kind of two halves. People are going to like it and people are not going to like it. You're not going to be able to please everybody. Um, but again,
00:24:18
Speaker
With it being HBO, I just have high hopes that they can make another Game of Thrones. And look, they Game of Thrones already has a spin-off season that's also doing really well. I haven't seen any of that yet. House of Dragon. I don't know if I'm going to, but it looks interesting.
00:24:39
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I saw like the first episode and it was way too much for me. I saw the whole first season. I have not started the second season. It is a lot. ah Really good. I mean, obviously very well made and all of that. well I think it's also it's just like we all know how it's going to end because we know that the Targaryens are all killed off. So I
Marauders TV Show Speculation
00:25:02
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didn't know that. I haven't watched Game of Thrones. Oh, well, it's not alert. It's not like it's a secret. It's in the very first episode of Game of Thrones that you find out there's only one remaining Targaryen or whatever to whatever.
00:25:16
Speaker
um And anyway, so this show, if you're a Game of Thrones fan, you know that this is all about how the Targaryens die off. um And so it's just very intense. So it's kind of like how the Marauders are eventually going to die if they do a Marauders TV show. We all know it's going to happen. Right. Basically. Yeah. I mean, when you do a prequel. or When you do a prequel with lore that is so entwined with the main story, you're going to have that kind of like, oh I don't really. With I think with um the House of Dragon though, the difference is like that's a war. And with the Marauders, it's a betrayal.
00:26:04
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and only two people, well, only only one person dies out of the four in that before but Harry Potter. um So I don't think it would be as intense. And it would be more about, i well, I think we talked about it before, and I think we all kind of landed on the Marauders primarily being in that first war period, um which who knows what Peter Pettigrew was doing at that time. but You know, I think there is a lot of content there that is unexplored. Well, I mean, yeah, to kind of go off of that, though, it's like one dies, one gets thrown in prison. One is, you know, evil and the other is alone because all of his friends just disappeared, which is the worst fear Lupin ever has in his life is being alone.
Time Heist Chapter Praise
00:26:56
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And he was happy for a great chunk of time being with his friends. And now the one thing that makes him happy is actually
00:27:03
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gone. So I would say it's actually a lot worse of an engine than just one person dying. Yeah. I'd say it wasn't emotional.
00:27:15
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yes
00:27:20
Speaker
Sorry for that long tangent. No, that's why we that's why we started a podcast, right? Because we have plenty of things to talk about in the Harry Potter world. Totally.
00:27:32
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um All right. anything else It's so funny because like this was such a long chapter, but I feel like, I don't know. um like There's not anything like super specific that I want to talk about beyond our like pleasure. Well, it was it was a really good time heist chapter. I love time heists. I was that i was i was ah about to say I love that we're calling it a time heist. Thank you, Marvel. Thank you, Gotleg. And thank you, Brooklyn99.
00:28:06
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Yes. I'm sorry. I forgot that Ant-Man came up with the coin time heist, and that's what I've been taking that from this entire time. It's very fitting. Thinking about that just makes me excited. That's literally exactly what it is.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yeah, I was about to say that this is just a really good time heist chapter. like it's just It's written really well when I think of time heists and what they can do good and what they can do wrong. i like This is a very good reference for me. When I look at other movies and other TV shows that attempt the same thing, um this is kind of a good starting point to like compare. And I think it's done a really good job on that. But other than that, I really like I really don't see other talking points besides they successfully did so. I do have one, but before I get there, I do want to mention that I feel like the time travel, the rules are different in the movie than they are in the book.
Time Travel Mechanics Discussion
00:29:14
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I feel like in the book, it's not like a cycle. Like they go back and they change time.
00:29:25
Speaker
But in the movie, it makes it look like it's cyclical, like it's always happening. Like they were always there with the throwing of their rocks and the howling and the tree branch snapping. um Whereas the book doesn't really come across that way. And so I feel like they change the type of time heist style, if that makes sense. Yeah, no, that does make sense for sure.
00:29:52
Speaker
i I mean, comparing it, I do think, yeah yeah, because what Dumbledore was talking about in the book with Hermione felt calculated. It's like he had, he he was making sure that they were doing small incisions that wouldn't create ripples if they went back and changed it kind of scenario.
00:30:15
Speaker
One final thought I have is um why is there a prison cell at Hogwarts in the movie? Sirius is in a prison cell. Oh yeah, I never really like thought about that.
00:30:33
Speaker
Because I guess the movie was already doing so much like dramatic stuff that I was like, right? But yeah, that is interesting because there's already dungeons. Why wouldn't they just like have them in a dungeon in the dungeons? That's a good point that there are dungeons maybe because.
00:30:50
Speaker
The dementors, like it makes more sense for them to like float up because they'll be flying around to the window. Sure. Okay. If you want to justify it, that's fine. Yeah, it is. It is an interesting thing. Just a thought. I have a little, let me look at my notes. Um, okay. I have a little lightning round. I,
00:31:16
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ah I highlighted um Harry yelling um like when they when they woke up in the hospital wing and he's roaring and yelling when Snape is trying to convince Fudge. And there's just so many times where like you you know In the films, they have like all these like weird dramatic things that they put in, but there's already the drama and the emotion that is like that makes sense for this storyline. It's already there, and so it's just frustrating how they like make it really they just make the movie so weird sometimes. um
00:31:49
Speaker
and Um, I highlighted Snape, you know, yelling at Granger, Granger, well, Miss Granger, sorry. Hermione is her name, but I just saw Granger, so I just called her that, which felt really weird. Anyways. And he yells, hold your tongue. And that's something that, like, they would never have Alan Rickman as Snape do. Right. You know, yet another example of. Yeah. Yes.
00:32:15
Speaker
And I also like that Fudge is like trying to be like, whoa, whoa, calm down, Snape. Right. But which like shows that he is like he's like very obviously an unreasonable adult. Yes. So um and then Madame Pomfrey stuffing a large chunk of chocolate into Harry's mouth and he chokes and then she sees that moment to put him back on the bed.
00:32:41
Speaker
Yes, I really want to see that that is I want more Madame Pomfrey in general. Like she's definitely in the books a lot more than she was in the films. And I think she's a great character. Yeah. Um, and then when fudge says the dementors have arrived by now, I'll go and meet them. I want to see that. Like, I mean, it just makes me think of course about many, all of the many spinoff series that we want to see. And like, you know, one called the minister of for magic and just things like that, that he has to do. Like, what is, what does that look like him going to meet the dementors to instruct them, you know,
00:33:16
Speaker
to kill somebody. But all of the other things that he has to do that, like, we know has to get taken care of somehow. And, you know, in the books, JK Rowling's able to just write something like that. And we're like, Okay, he's gonna go do it. But what does that actually look like? So I think that'd be interesting to explore.
00:33:35
Speaker
Um, and then when, when they're trying to hold Buckbeak back, when he's, when they're doing the time heist and, you know, they like have the rope around him and they're like trying to hold him back. I'm sorry. Hippogriffs are huge. They are 13 year old children and they are restraining a full sized hippogriff. There's no way.
00:34:00
Speaker
I'm sorry, but there's no way. I have two dogs that are only 50 pounds, and if both of them were trying desperately to get somewhere, it would be very difficult for me. I have ah have been in this situation. It is difficult to restrain them, and they are not the size of a hippogriff. There is no way.
00:34:19
Speaker
that they would have been able to restrain a hippogriff without it being loud. Like, there it would have been a big curve if they were able to do that. so Well, it'll be interesting to see how they show that in the show. Interesting. Not satisfied with that. yeah And then the very end when Sirius looks at Harry and says, you are truly your father's son, Harry. And ah it just those moments like still bring tears to my eyes whenever I read these books. and I cannot wait until the show when they inevitably are going to have so much more time for character development and hopefully stick to the scripts more and like to see the weight of the emotion on Sirius's face, you know, when he says that line. Oh, I'm just like so excited to see what they do in the show.
00:35:13
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Yeah, and you know, I've talked before about Lupin and having that emotion show through so lots of emotion in this book that can be portrayed on screen Yes, please please please please make me cry show I Remembered what I was trying to remember So before I got distracted, listeners, uh, cause I don't know how I'm going to edit this otherwise. Uh, but I, we were discussing the time thing, how the movie was cyclical and how the book felt yeah like precision stuff.
00:35:53
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And I agree that it felt like Dumbledore was, was, was in the book was making like precision cuts into the thing saying that this is probably something we can risk affecting the timeline. Whereas the movie, it was very um vague.
00:36:12
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I want to say Dumbledore was being very vague the entire time. I think he just gave basic instructions and stuff like that.
00:36:21
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But my question would be, is it is it not cyclical? Because the one thing we don't know is that Buck Dumbledore was there for Buckbeak's execution. Did Buck Dumbledore experience Buckbeak's execution or was Buckbeak not there to begin with? And that determines whether or not It's the same, I feel like, because we don't necessarily know if Book Dumbledore experienced Buckbeak's execution and then was just like,
00:37:01
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Like forgot about it when they changed time. That's true. So because he just he just never, he he, he never explains that it's never, I guess the better way for me to describe it is the book is left to interpretation on how you want to define time travel. Uh, because you said there's no overlap like there is in the movie. Besides there's no inner acting.
00:37:29
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between the timelines like there is in the film yes so there's no way to know that there's no way to know if it's like how i said it was It, they actually change time or if it's the cool or whatever. I think there's like three different times of tribe travel. I don't know. Um, but, um, I like that it's vague enough. Like there's no interactions. They don't, the only thing they do change is they save serious and they save buck beak, but that doesn't, like you said, there's no butterfly effect with that.
00:38:09
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So I don't know, maybe, who who knows, but it's really hard to tell without actually knowing if Buck B really died. I wonder if JKR has ever said how she thought about the time travel.
Comparing Time Travel in Cursed Child
00:38:24
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I'll have to look into it. I'm curious now.
00:38:31
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It is really interesting um after all three of us listeners are big Marvel fans and so after watching so much Marvel and like when we were all initially reading these Harry Potter books you know that's the way that we thought about time heists and stuff was very different and so i I feel like after so much um multiverse and time heist exposure through Marvel this is kind of like okay we're in it like we get this whole time heist thing we are like we know how this works and so to you know but that it's just not really explored very much in Harry Potter beyond this um but anyways I I just always think about it differently now that I have so so much more time travel experience
00:39:14
Speaker
And we don't have to get okay so we don't have to get into this conversation. This can be a whole other episode one day. But you just mentioned um like growing up, what we thought about time travel and how we didn't really think about it like we do now because of Marvel. But when when I was growing up, my first time travel thought would be back to the future, which is when you change something in the past, it changes your future. And you go back to your future and you're like, this is not my future.
00:39:40
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um
00:39:42
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which I believe I have only read through the cursed child one time, but I believe that's how it happens in the cursed child. And I don't know how much input JKR really had in the cursed child at the end of the day, but um I'm wondering if, because it was such a short amount of time, like it was only a matter of what, three hours, it didn't have that major of effect on the future that the cursed child did.
00:40:12
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yeah Yeah, because they went back years right and changed a big event. Whereas Harry and Hermione went back hours to change something that Well, it didn't even it didn't really impact the greater world yet. Like nobody knew about this yet, besides everybody that's at Hogwarts. Yeah, it was just more of a like, crappy, just got away. Now we got to figure out how to catch him again. Like nothing changed in the scheme of things of him being innocent. It was like if everything still stayed the same, but he just he got away. He yes.
00:40:53
Speaker
Yes, so maybe that's the the big nugget there is that it just wasn't enough time to impact anything else Cool cool. So what James what are what is your peeves pleasure?
Favorite Scene Discussion
00:41:12
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My peeves of pleasure throughout this adaptation is
00:41:21
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If I had to choose, I would probably go with Harry summoning the Patronus. That's just pretty cool.
00:41:37
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um And it's got an epic ah sound, yeah epic sounds with music and stuff like that. Just like the music doing its thing with John Williams being amazing, but then like there's the pulsating sound of the Patronus beating back the Dementors. I can't stop smiling when it comes to that to that part, so i just it's just, that's and epic an epic moment of of the story and I'm glad it kind of worked out that way. um So I think they did a really good job combining multiple elements of just how the video worked and the effects and the music and the sound and Harry's acting. Daniel Radcliffe being like just yelling expecto patronum. All of that's really cool.
00:42:31
Speaker
so Oh, I wish I went first because I was going to say expecto by Jonah, but it just doesn't have the same impact now that you went on that whole spew. But yes, I agree with you a hundred percent. Everything you just said was, is my peace pleasure as well. Same.
00:42:54
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since since society
00:42:58
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Okay. Is it because that moment is just so great? Or is it because the rest of the adaptation is just not great? I mean i think it's probably both. I think the rest of the adaptation is like i think it's decent. you know I don't think it's necessarily a bad adaptation. They just you know did a couple weird things as they always do. but they definitely included more than they often do um with the chapters and it wasn't necessarily bad it just it fit in with the rest of the film but as we all know the this film is questionable um and the expecto patronum part was like so amazing to see and he acted it really well
00:43:43
Speaker
like you James, everything that you said about the whole design of it. And then also the meme-ification of it, where it's like, has become such a popular internet thing. like i So I feel like it's like kind of a combination. But I do think that it is a really awesome scene. It's um it's a very awesome scene. it's I mean, it's probably my favorite scene of the entire movie. And, you know, we've talked about it before, but that's the most iconic part of the trailer as well.
00:44:08
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So it's just it's one of the most iconic about that parts of the entire series. I would I would go out on a Wednesday. Oh, yeah, definitely. it's It's one of the most like notable for sure. I mean, there's I'm trying to think of others that are like as the the first shot of the castle when they're in the boats. Yes.
00:44:29
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for the first movie. Yeah. Expecto. Maybe we can do an episode where we talk about like the five are like what we think are the five top moments are in the series. That would be fun. I'm trying to think of like Chamber of Secrets. Chamber of Secrets is iconic moment.
00:44:53
Speaker
Oh yeah. We could do like what the iconic moment of each film is. Yeah. can't think of it off of the top of my head. I kind of almost go to the blood you're trying to kill Harry. But that doesn't feel too iconic. But like, scene wise, like that one always comes to my head. Um, maybe Dobby um using magic on Lucius. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's fun.
00:45:24
Speaker
Anyway, we don't need to get off off topic right now. That's a very long tangent we can get into. Yes. That would be another whole hour podcast right now. So let's table that. All right, James, what's your peeves peeve? My peeves peeve.
00:45:43
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To kind of go off of what we were just saying, like I feel like adaptation wise, it did a good job building up to our favorite moment.
Film's Unrealistic Elements Critique
00:45:52
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And I do think that it does it does decent for what it did, especially since they gave so much time to it. But if I had to choose a peave, it's definitely going to be
00:46:11
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that dumb axe.
00:46:17
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mcnare's Yeah. ah Anyways, um, just like him chopping the pumpkin in half with this gigantic acts, like you really probably didn't need that, but overcompensation, whatever. Uh, but also just
00:46:38
Speaker
using the ferrets to to pull Buckbeak out and pull it like you can hear the conversation going on in the the cottage and they're pulling Buckbeak and you're like telling me that we can hear them but you can't hear what's going out outside with them trying to get Buckbeak out of the pumpkin patch like he's making noise they're not really good at being quiet it's like It doesn't feel like I know what they were trying to accomplish and they're and they were trying to create like a sense of urgency by having the conversation with Fudge and Dumbledore and Hagrid in there going on in the background.
00:47:24
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and and I know they were trying to make it feel tense but the realism just gets cut when you kind of think about it and you get taken out and so the minute you start going wait like Buckbeats being a little loud like they didn't hear that uh they didn't stop conversing to go like what's going on outside like No one decided to look out the open window to just look right like whenever I hear weird sounds or even if I know there's like a creature outside, but I hear something that's still kind of like, what was that? I look so it's it just doesn't feel it didn't feel realistic. Well, it should have happened. They do. You do hear Dumbledore inside distracting them, kind of. But I they don't do that in the book. And I don't like that it's added.
00:48:16
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It just makes it feel really cheesy. yeah like It makes it feel like they are overcompensating so much to like make it goofy and silly. But what it does is make us feel like a dumb audience member. like They have to overcompensate so much because we couldn't possibly understand that there's a sense of urgency or that they have to be quiet if they don't over-dramatize it.
00:48:42
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right
00:48:45
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Well, mine was just Hermione howling. Yeah. And the rocks too, just the whole, anyway, all of that. The shells are, yeah, the rocks. How Hermione has such great precision. yeah ah Yeah. I just don't like why they, I just don't understand why they added the need to have them interact with themselves in that way. Yeah.
00:49:13
Speaker
But the howling is the worst part for me. um taon is really it was Hermione needed to join Quidditch. She would have made a great chaser. Well, and just the howling and then the like.
00:49:26
Speaker
when the werewolf starts coming towards her and she's like, yeah, didn't think about that. And it's like, right I'm sorry, you did not think about howling and bringing a werewolf directly towards you, like what that might mean. Like, of course you would have thought that's just so uncharacteristic of her. And again, it's to make it be more of a dramatic thing, which is just annoying.
00:49:49
Speaker
Well, and I feel like it kind of goes back to what I said about how they changed the way time travel works and made it more cyclical in this one, because she puts to it two she puts two and two together and realizes she was the one that howled earlier. um So she howls, but she doesn't think through. She knows that she howls, so she howls, but she's not thinking through the repercussions of that.
00:50:15
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Because she's only saying, oh, I must have how that must have been, that must have been me howling earlier. So I need to howl right now to save our past selves.
00:50:27
Speaker
What do you think she did or did not realize? Wait, what? No, I'm saying she put two and two together and realized the howl from earlier in her in her past three hours ago must have been her howling.
00:50:43
Speaker
Mm hmm. So she howls. Kind of like how Harry in the book says, like, I knew I could do it because i hadd I'd seen myself do it before. Right. With the whole Patronus thing. So I guess that is the movie, too, is like I knew I could do it because I had seen myself do it before. So I just did it. Right. Which I guess that's our um that's our first clue that it is cyclical because he saw himself. Mm hmm.
00:51:13
Speaker
And he did interact with his past self. So that means Dumbled, that means Bugbeak didn't ever die. Dumbledore knew that. So that's why Dumbledore had the idea of like, oh, they use, they're using the time turner. This is supposed to happen. Interesting. Which banks my brain hurt. I hate cyclical time travel. Well, my peeve was the same as all, of I mean, all of this, the, the howling, the, um,
00:51:43
Speaker
the throwing the stupid shells or the rocks or whatever, the just the. a I don't even know what those were. What were they like? They were rocks or anything like, but they were probably super hard that they broke up. Right. And hurt his head and hurt his head. He was like, Oh, that really hurt. No, I know. It's just the way that you said that was funny. Um, okay. Salute.
00:52:18
Speaker
the end of the stonometry.
Emotional Writing & Missed Potential
00:52:20
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The end. five of the end um I'm gonna have to go with what I said earlier how this is kind of just like it's a band-aid to what happened in the previous chapter. The reason why this book
00:52:42
Speaker
wants you to finish the last few chapters is because you almost felt the satisfying ending but then that satisfying ending was ripped away from you and the potential of it to be fixed was given like is given to you but then you realize it's not going to be the ah same and so you're kind of left with that feeling of I don't know how to explain it but you're left with that feeling of Not dissatisfaction, like you're you're satisfied for what's happening and you're okay with like how it went. But you realize that you missed out on something that could have been better, I guess. and And the only reason I'm saluting that is because it's not frustrating to me because it's happening, it's frustrating because I don't get to feel what Harry feels because now that future, that possible future is gone.
00:53:40
Speaker
It's a always now gonna be a possibility. And that's the frustrating part because you know exactly how you would have felt, you know how he would have felt, like but it's now just a possibility that could have happened. And it's not actually tangible and it's not actually real. But I have to salute it because it's just brilliant writing in itself.
00:54:06
Speaker
The fact that you can get that type of reaction from your audience and have it be a very consistent thing means it was really good writing. And it means that it worked really well. And it it just, it did the job that it was supposed to, which is why I couldn't put it down. I literally read chapter 20 through the end because I was like,
00:54:31
Speaker
It was very consecutive. i need i couldn't I couldn't stop and go, I'll come back to this later. It needed to be resolved because there was stakes involved. And that's just a book that can do that for you is obviously a really great book. So I have to salute that and go, well done in that department because that's what I hope the movie does. I mean, sorry, not movie, the TV show.
00:55:01
Speaker
I really hope the TV show just kind of gets us on edge like that and just goes like, what are we going to do next? Like what's going to happen and have that same feeling, but in media form. Um, but yeah, my personal feelings aside, it's still really good.
00:55:20
Speaker
Um, sort of in that same boat, I'm going to salute serious black because I'm just. You know, we're talking about Harry and what's being ripped away from him, but he also had his freedom ripped away from him, uh, as well as Harry. So, um, and I just, oh, I just love Sirius Black so much. So I'm gonna salute him.
00:55:45
Speaker
My salute is the growth, um, that Harry and Hermione have as they like just go through this process. Very sweet. And I love how in the last book we have Ron and Harry working together while Hermione's out of commission. And then in this book we have Hermione and Harry working together a while Ron is out of commission. Yeah, I forgot that. Yeah, I forgot about that.
Social Media & Audience Connection
00:56:11
Speaker
Oh, together and solve a problem. All right. Well, any other thoughts, anything? Nope.
00:56:21
Speaker
All right. Well, thank you for causing havoc with us today. Next time we will be discussing chapter 22, I will post again, which is two hours and five minutes and two seconds to the end with a special guest, Potter Kid Reads. We'll be back on the podcast. James, where can people find you? James M. Beltran at Instagram or TikTok.
00:56:49
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00:57:09
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00:57:45
Speaker
Wait, and hold on. Before we continue, side note, I saw Zuhair today and he was showing me pictures of his time in San Francisco. Do you know who he met speaking of Brooklyn 99? Wait, hold on a second. Zuhair was in San Francisco and did not tell me?
00:58:01
Speaker
I'm gonna I might have been before you. This was a while ago. It wasn't recently. Okay. Okay, good. I was about to blows your hair up on this podcast right now. Because I live close to San Francisco. We were talking about his co host, not Jay Scotty, but the other one. And I mean, this was maybe like two years ago. um But he is safe. He met the actor he was sitting next to the actor that played Boyle at a football game.
00:58:31
Speaker
What? Yeah. he He sat next to his dad and was talking to this guy this whole time. And then Boyle came and sat down. And his friend was like, wait, is that Boyle from Brooklyn I-9? And so Zuhair reached over. He was like, hey, is that whatever the actor's name is? And he was like, yeah, that's my son. And so they started talking to him. And he said he was so cool. And they were they were on opposite teams. They were rooting for the opposite team. So they just bided on each other the whole time. I'm like, Zuhair, you never told me this. What the heck?
00:59:03
Speaker
that's crap Sorry, you mentioned Brooklyn 99 and I literally just found that out today. I was like, I have to tell you guys. Yeah, that's really exciting. Yes. I'm always ready cool to talk about Brooklyn 99 to mention it and to learn anything about it. Yeah. But anyway, um James, I think you were about to say something.