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Prison Break, The Crookshanks of it All, and Was it Worth It?
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Today, we are analyzing Chapters 17 and 18: “Cat, Rat, and Dog” and “Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs” 1:27:35 - 1:33:00. ish_.
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Introduction and Spoiler Alert
00:00:27
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I'm James. I'm Meigs. And I'm Sarah Day. Today we are analyzing chapters 17 and 18, Cat, Rat, and Dog, and Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs, which is about an hour and 27 minutes and 35 seconds of the film to an hour and 33 minutes, give or take a few seconds. Before we start gabbing we wanted to give a spoiler warning.
00:00:54
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big one. we will be using all our vast knowledge of the wizarding world to compare the page to the screen and we may gab about moments that happen later in the books or films. so you have been warned, ekolferstis. before we begin, a message from the daily prophet.
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Challenges of Harry Potter Film Adaptations
00:06:12
Speaker
uh i don't know about you guys but i was all over the place when i was reading these chapters and i don't even know where to start right well and so i guess let me start by saying it was really hard these three chapters 17 and 18 we're covering tonight and then 19 is the next chapter um and they're all very kind of smushed into the film so it was really hard to divide
00:06:37
Speaker
the stopping point and we we we decided on 17 and 18 um and that's because chapter 18 is a lot of backstory which is cut from the film and there's there's a lot in these chapters that's cut and so we're we're getting into that point of the series where we are losing out on a lot of world building and context and so it's going to be interesting to see how we kind of progress through the series from this point on. um And it's a real shame because not only is all the backstory of the Marauders missing, Kirk Shanks is completely missing from this portion of the film as well. And um the invisibility cloak is the other thing I wrote. um You know, not that that's a character per se, but also cut from this.
00:07:26
Speaker
It explains why Snape just suddenly appears out of nowhere. Right and it's a little bit more again this is why it was hard to cut this portion of the film or like the cutting the cutting point of this portion of the film because he comes running up the staircase so you kind of see him at one hour and 33 minutes um but that's you know that's what we decided on.
00:07:50
Speaker
No, I totally agree. i think I think the biggest thing we should talk about is Crookshanks. Not being in the film at all. but like There are so many other ways they could have used crookshanks based off of what we saw in the books and it wasn't like that. Like we were just talking about how it felt weird when Harry got hit by the tree and was like like not hit by the tree but like Hermione's grabbing onto the plan like waving around in the sky. Roadrunner grabbed him. grabbed harry mother like the the thing and then just all of a sudden he's just like whoa it just like takes you out of the experience a little bit it's like a Bugs Bunny cartoon exactly that could have been immediately resolved and made much more sense if they were trying to like dive away from the Whomping Willow and then Crookshanks all of a sudden just comes up hits the knob and then this is like hey I'm a smart cat like I know what I'm doing yeah that would have made that scene so much more better
00:08:59
Speaker
in In my opinion instead we got what we got and it's kind of just like okay And the other portion of the crook shanks thing is when they're in the shrinking shack and he goes and he sits on Sirius's chest to kind of prevent Harry Yes from it from hurting serious because he was going on and so it's just a really interesting mini arc, if you will, um that will be really nice to see. All of Kirk Shanks' story and his whole character arc being cut from the film, I can't wait to see that portrayed on the screen with the HBO show. Oh, totally.
00:09:43
Speaker
Kirk Shanks has now become the most underrated character of this entire book. So underrated is a good word for it. Like they had crookshanks in the film series, but they did not have crookshanks in the film. Like we just got a cat. Right. For like a couple of seconds or like a little filler shot as they were moving to the next scene or something. It just doesn't make sense. Why even include crookshanks for or nothing?
The Role of Wands in Harry Potter
00:10:14
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Right.
00:10:16
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I mean, you spend the money on getting a cat. Right, like an owl could have killed, in quotes, scabbers to get that whole thing. there That was really the only reason why he was in there, and that that was still very watered down. Justice for crookshanks.
00:10:37
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1000%. i the are but the invisibility cloak real quick going back to that because you you had mentioned that the invisibility cloak obviously is not a character but still that was removed i mean it's one of the deathly hallows like that's a pretty big object and so too very good point Yeah, to remove it at all just takes away from something that's like, you know, the name of one of the books, you know, at the end, like, it's every time they remove something like that, that seems minor, they are totally diminishing the story. I completely agree.
00:11:19
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the I think the role of the invisibility cloak is going to be a very subtle role ah like it does ah like it does in the books when it goes into the TV show.
00:11:31
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um Just because of like we know its importance now and we know like what it turns into and the in in the seventh book and so like having it be that constant thought and everybody's thoughts of like oh Harry's invisibility cloak and for people who just don't know the series like they can just kind of just go like oh it's Harry's like um what's the word i'm thinking of that's Harry's dayux machina like thing he can get out of he he can get out of any situation with the invisibility cloak without actually realizing like the importance of what it symbolizes until like that big reveal and i think
00:12:13
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having it be around a lot more would be a way more important than just treating it as a casual thing like the movie has been treating it up until this point yeah and um Dumbledore's wand as well we all know is the elder wand um it would be fun to kind of see Not necessarily an Easter egg, but close-ups of his wand. For us that know the series and know what the Elder Wand is going to end up being.
Azkaban and Wand Regulation
00:12:50
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Just kind of, cause you know, we never really zoomed in on anybody's wands really in the films. Not that that's coming up at the top of my head. I think we zoomed up on Dumbledore's wand in the seventh movie when Voldemort takes it out of the casket.
00:13:07
Speaker
Well that's um yeah. think about And then I guess probably we got a close-up on Harry's when he first got his wand in Ollivander's shop. and We kind of got a good look at at at it with the shot of him just holding it in his hand and like just a little blow wind in his face. and That's an important moment and then when Voldemort is stealing the wand also very important and that's the You know, he's he's getting the other one. He knows what he's doing. So that's like a MacGuffin, if you will. So but just from like day to day, the ones are just kind of in the background. Well, and then the other one, the other close up we get is when Ron breaks. Right. And we see the spell tape on it. Mm hmm.
00:14:01
Speaker
Definitely good calls. Yeah, that's interesting to think about how like, just in general, the wands are not really um featured, which is interesting, because it's... It's one of the main it's one of the main things of the world. It's like the wands make the wands a part of the magic.
00:14:20
Speaker
The wands choose the wizards. Exactly. like It's what makes this magical world, compared to other magical worlds, unique. like there isn't any like There are wands, but like there isn't any wands like how J.K. Rowling's designed them to be. I hadn't thought about that before but yeah like most of the other magical world fantasy um worlds that we see don't include wands which is interesting because yeah ah like a wizard using a wand is such a stereotypical um magical thing it so it wasn't like weird when we all started reading Harry Potter that like totally made sense but if you think about
00:15:04
Speaker
films and TV shows there's not really a lot of that in um and I don't know about maybe an animation there's more of that but that is interesting I hadn't thought about how Harry Potter like really is the main um media source that has wands be like a main part of what they're doing it's the yeah like it's really hard to cast magic without wands Like, you have to have a wand in order to cast magic. It's impossible. Are these things of experience, James? Yeah, I mean, totally. It's possible. We've seen moments in the series where it does happen, but it's rare and almost close to impossible without a wand to begin with. The wand is what channels their magic, and it's an important tool. And so when you compare it to other magical worlds,
00:15:58
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eight there isn't any like magical tool like a wand. But the similar closest thing I can think of is like a staff from like Lord of the Rings Gandalf and Saruman using their staffs to control their magic. It's like their source where they can get the best outcome from it, but it doesn't prevent them from using magic. Like if they don't have their staff they can't, it's not like they're incapable of doing it because they can still do amazing things without it.
00:16:28
Speaker
Can I say something really quick kind about the topic of not using a wand? One of my favorite scenes, spoiler alert if you haven't seen later movies in Harry Potter, in Order of the Phoenix when Voldemort shows up at the Ministry at the end. And that whole scene is just, it was done so well with Dumbledore and Voldemort fighting. Just all of that whole scene was so incredible. But especially the shots that they do where Voldemort is not using his wand and like that one kind of slow-mo shot when he and something about like when he's moving his hands around and like the stuff um and all the dust or glass or whatever is like floating up around him. I feel like if you've seen the movie you know what I'm talking about but I just wanted to point that out. Such a good scene and so this all this talk about not using a wand is making me think of that. So from what I've understand from past readings on Pottermore and such is
00:17:25
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you don't need a wand. um And I think that it's talked about in Hogwarts Legacy as well. James, you might know more. But um because you think of um the goblins and how they make their items and then ah house elves, they can use magic as well. But the thing with a wand is it helps kind of center and focus the magic and um I think the ministry of magic regulates it and only witches and wizards are allowed to use wands and I think that's like a big contention between wizards and goblins. Yeah that's why I think that's one of the main reasons why the war is fought um and it does go into it a little bit more of ah in Hogwarts legacy like the details um and ah and all of it but it
00:18:13
Speaker
That is the main reason is that wands are a tool that creates powerful magic. And regulating that to only witches and wizards is what caused the contention between goblins and other creatures. And the first place was because everybody was available to use magic, but like the type of magic that you can perform with a wand is far superior than the type of magic that you can't.
00:18:39
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um And like Dobby is pretty amazing as a house elf. Like he can apparate into and out of Hogwarts without will. Other witches, witches and wizards can't because that's the spell. You can't apparate into the school boundaries, but house elves can. So part of the reason why why no one wants house elves or goblins to have it is because imagine a house elf or a goblin with a wand it could probably be a little bit more terrifying for the witch and wizard because if their magic is already powerful without it imagine having a tool that controls it and makes it far superior than it already yeah definitely i mean look at the things that dabi does in the series without a wand you know what i say to that too bad if they're more powerful than humans too bad for us they deserve it
Sirius Black's Emotional Depth
00:19:36
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So no support from anyone.
00:19:42
Speaker
the The biggest thing in this chapter is the serious black reveal Lupin coming in and helping him and then just trying to tell Harry about Peter Pettigrew and just the entire story and like some of our questions were just some of the questions we've had in past episodes were answered in this in this couple of chapters like what was Lupin doing when he ah when he decided to follow them like you know
00:20:13
Speaker
the whole Peter Pettigrew thing being told about Peter Pettigrew. In the book he discovers Peter Pettigrew with such a much more natural discovery than us discovering that He was been told about Peter Pettigrew the night before. What has he been doing since then? Has he been looking at the map the entire time trying to find him? But in this one when he explains, I saw Peter Pettigrew with you guys when you came out of Hagrid's hut and that concerned me. And that's what got him to like go after them once he saw Sirius Black show up and stuff like that. So there's just so much to do and there's so little time to go over it all.
00:20:55
Speaker
But I think the main thing I want out of this section of the story is I want that talk whip between Lupin and Sirius and Harry. I want them to like sit down and go, you need to let us explain and then you can make the decision.
00:21:18
Speaker
Well, it's the emotion behind that, right? And I've talked about this before with the whole Lupin and Harry relationship. And I want to see the emotion that is written on the pages come through on the screen. And I want that in this scene as well. I want, you know, um I want to see that like relief when Lupin finally realizes Sirius didn't betray them and they reunite as friends and I want to see the confusion of the trio like what is going on what is happening like we've trusted this professor this guy is trying to murder me why are they embracing and then the desperation trying to explain to Harry
00:22:04
Speaker
who Peter is why they need the rat the confusion of Ronald like this rat has been in my family for you know a little 13 years now and like just like there's so much emotion in these chapters that i want to see um so again it comes down to the casting can't wait to see who who's casted and can't wait to see these actors bring this emotion to the screen i honestly think that that's probably the most important part out of everything that's happening in these two chapters i think that's the most important part that needs to be
00:22:44
Speaker
addressed in the TV show it because I compare what I felt when I was reading the book and I compare it to what I saw in the movie and the movie doesn't reach the potential that it had. It had a potential, but it doesn't reach the potential that it had to become a great emotional moment of reveal of Peter Pettigrew is alive and he's the one who betrayed your parents and serious bike is actually innocent and Lupin's a werewolf and Snape comes in and then he gets like blown out like all the stuff that's happening We deserve to be thrown about with our emotions everywhere all at once and enjoy this riveting moment momentous
00:23:34
Speaker
scene that's unfolding in front of us and it barely pales in comparison to what it what it can be. And that I think is the biggest improvement that needs to be worked upon when we get the tv i mean we get to the part where the TV show gets to this part. Yeah and I mean this is almost like climax one of the story and then we have the whole time travel stuff which is like the main climax but this is um the revelation of the story like this is the start of the beginning of the climax but like at the same time like it's so huge of a revelation that it needs to have its moment to breathe yes be before we get into all the time time shenanigans like i really honestly could care less if we ended the story here and then just be like wow that was an amazing book like if we did not have any of the time travel stuff
00:24:33
Speaker
I'd probably be okay with it. And I'd be like, that's cool. And then we just move the story along because like that felt so huge that it could have been the ending of the book, but it wasn't. And obviously we'll get into that later. But the point is because it felt so big, it needs to be treated as such when we get there. And I think that that's the biggest takeaway. Yeah. And the movie he just didn't do it justice. No.
00:25:02
Speaker
as per usual. Right. I also I think that it's important to and I think this probably has more to do with the writing than the acting because I think that these all of these actors, even the kid actors are so good. um And the the films in general, as we've already discussed at length, are just so much flatter than the emotion that comes through in the books. And so like the fact that in the internal monologue that Harry is experiencing like
00:25:36
Speaker
When when he is thinking that for the first time he wants to use his magic to kill somebody and That's a big deal especially for a 13 year old to Feel that it's not just like oh, he's really mad at this man. It's that he like genuinely has really really strong feelings and Like, he hates this person right now. And so, you know, I think Daniel Radcliffe did a good job of, you know, being expressing anger and whatever, but I think it's important in the show that they, along with everything else that we've talked about, like, they really showcase that. that's a That's a big emotion and a big burden for somebody of that age to feel. And it doesn't, for me, it doesn't really come across in the movie. It's just kind of like, everybody's mad at each other. Because it's all squished together. It's all rushed.
00:26:26
Speaker
from one beat to another beat. Right. And that's all you can do in a film. You know, that's the difference between the film and what the show could be. And um the acting, like you said, Migs was great, and especially... um Why can I remember his name? Who plays Sirius Black? Gary Oldman.
00:26:44
Speaker
Thank you, especially Gary Oldman, who's a famous, phenomenal actor, very like he just melts into each of his roles, right? And you get the iconic, famous line, I did my waiting 12 years of it in Azkaban, and the acting that that man does in that scene. you you There's emotion there. There is. But like we're saying, it's it's not conveying the same emotions and the same message that the book does. Yeah.
00:27:14
Speaker
And the thing you bring up Miggs is like, I think really important because that voice in his head that's like edging him on to like, I got a feeling that that was the Lord Voldemort part of hit of Harry. Oh, interesting. Because I have to bring it up because that was like the biggest reveal for me was like, holy crap. Like was this hinted at from the very beginning kind of scenario?
Voldemort's Influence and Foreshadowing
00:27:43
Speaker
But let's see, it was in chapter 17, Cat, Rat, and Dog. Where was it? 18, it was probably 18. No, it was right before Lupin shows up. So page chapter 17,
00:28:07
Speaker
oh yeah, Crookshanks jumps in front of them. Someone says, we're up here. Yeah, Rhiney says, we're up here. We're up here, Sirius Black, quick. Black made a startled movement that almost dislodged crookshanks. Harry gripped his wand convulsively. Do it now, is italicized. And with a exclamation mark, said a voice in his head. But the footsteps were thundering up the stairs and Harry still hadn't done it.
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. I love that hand head cannon that it's the piece of Voldemort. That has to be Voldemort's part of the soul that was influencing him during his most angriest moment. And I think that that's something to be played upon because we know a piece of Lord Voldemort lives in Harry and we know that he's a Horcrux and like all of that's been revealed now.
00:29:03
Speaker
ah huh I would love it if the TV show played with that a little bit about yeah having that piece of Lord Voldemort's soul influencing Harry's emotions to the brink of like Harry almost making mistakes that could have cost him a lot of stuff. Especially because we've already gone through the second book, so we know that he speaks parcel tongue, which was a Voldemort thing. So little hints and pieces throughout the first six seasons of the fact that Harry has a piece of Voldemort in him is like, that would be incredible. And that's a really great catch, James. I think Ravenclaw should get some points for that. Totally. Thank you. ah that It blew my mind. And I was like, I cannot believe that was never pointed out. Like, i ah to other people who have been reading this for like multiple times, I've never seen this anywhere. And I've just been like,
00:29:56
Speaker
Has this been a Goodness gracious. How early it was this planned? It still blows my mind about how amazing this world is built. like Credit is where credit is. You do have to wonder how much she had planned out and how much she thought of it as she went. But I really do think that you're on to something there, James.
00:30:23
Speaker
especially I wouldn't be able to convince myself if it wasn't italicized into the the voice of Voldemort but like when Voldemort talks to Harriet in previous books it's been italicized where the font is different and this font was different when it said do it now and I'm just like boom anyways yeah that was a fun little discovery I had to share today I'm glad I got to share it yeah me too Before we move on to our peace, pleasure, peace, peace, or weaselly salutes, and sorry weaselly salutes, ah do we have anything else we want to suggest before we move on?
Sirius in Azkaban: Spin-off Ideas
00:31:03
Speaker
um I just had one more note um that I hope that they really
00:31:08
Speaker
um talk about or showcase in the tv show about how um black was in prison for a long time and that's going to change so much about your your body and the way that you talk to people and stuff and so i think that jk rolling did a pretty good job in the book of like talking about how his voice sounded like he hadn't used it in a long time and just like how emaciated he was and stuff but and And Gary Oldman did a fantastic job with the acting that he was told to do, right? But I think that like if somebody's in prison for 13 years or 12 years, whatever,
00:31:50
Speaker
that's that is going to like drastically change especially in a prison like Azkaban but also okay spin-off alert we need a spin-off series called Azkaban that's just about like the like the politics behind like who goes into there and then what's what is life like in Azkaban like are they all in um what's it called, in isolation? Or do they interact with the other prisoners? Like, what is it like? I would imagine, I've always pictured it in my head, like nobody's talking at all. Well, I mean... Like, who feeds them? Like, who does? The Dementors. Well, you think the Dementors bring them a food, of ah try a tray of food? Yeah. Series books, that's how he... Oh, he did? Yeah, that's how he snuck out, is when they, like, opened the... Oh, wow, can you imagine?
00:32:40
Speaker
like the dementors of the film. Like who making a area of food yeah who makes It's probably house elves. You know, like, Oh, I bet it is. Yeah. I feel like it's, its ah chair it's, it is such a potentially interesting story. um Like a whole series that they could do. I mean, Prison Break, for example, is a popular, um,
00:33:03
Speaker
prison show. And it was really interesting. And that's like just, you know, regular old prison. We have two prison breaks in this. Well, three. We have three prison breaks in this series. We have Sirius in this book. We have um Barty Crouch, ah not really a prison break, but an escape of sports. And then we've got when Voldemort breaks out the Death Eaters later on.
00:33:29
Speaker
Yeah, so anyway, obviously, good spin off. But I think that that's, again, like, you know, hit that potential character development hit the imagery, everything can, it gets flattened in the film, because, you know, I don't want Gary Oldman to starve himself to be able to. Obviously, you know, they're gonna have some limitations on what they can do unless they get what's his name. Oh my god, who played Batman? One of the guys who played Batman who was like notorious. Yes, he's notorious for in his roles like changing his body drastically. So maybe he'll do it. But yeah.
00:34:09
Speaker
Um, I think that it's, it's important to like, to really showcase what it's like. It's not like, Oh, you go to prison and that, that kind of sucks. Gee whiz. It's like, no, that's he like, you don't know how to like talk, especially if you're in isolation, you don't know how to like interact with a human until you relearn how to do that. If you're in that sort of a setting or environment for that long.
00:34:32
Speaker
It'll be a really good contrast, too, to see him again in the fifth book when he's a good guy at Grimworld Place. He's taking care of himself a little bit. yeah right Totally agree. Well, that was a great thing right there, Miggs. And I think that jumps us off right into our peef's pleasures. Starting with Sarah Day. What is your peef's pleasure?
00:35:00
Speaker
Um, the look on your face as you try to think. Yeah. I liked the coloring of this. I mean, the whole movie is this like blue gray, right? But in this particular, like with the the shrieking shack, I think it works really well. I also wrote set design.
00:35:28
Speaker
I can't argue that the Shrinking Shack's set design was amazing and that it was creepy and the fact that the the fact that it was done so well is pretty good. But I think my piece Pleasure is going to have to be Gary Oldman playing Sirius Black.
00:35:50
Speaker
and yeah bringing that character to life in a way that just makes it really close to what the books were trying to do and I think it accurately portrayed um what I think in my head when it comes to Sirius Black and i he did a good job. I wish he would I wish he was given more room to breathe and bring life to the character ah because he does so well in the fifth movie and we barely get him in the fourth and we he barely get a touch on what he can do in the third. um I wish he was fleshed out more so that I mean I was sad when Sirius died but I wish that
00:36:34
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Right. it would have been It doesn't hit like it does in the book. I wish it would have hit more when we see him die in the fifth movie because yeah he had so much room to grow that character and gary allowing Gary Oldman to grow that character would have been phenomenal.
00:36:49
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The only reason that it hits really hard in the film is Daniel Radcliffe's acting. I have goosebumps everywhere, even just thinking about it. like That is some of the best acting ever. And now I think that's really what carried that scene and really held all of that grief and the anger. And if he hadn't pulled that off, that that I don't think anybody was expecting it to be like that.
00:37:14
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Well, and slow motion always gets me. And silent. Even if it's not like a sad. Yeah, the music is a slow motion. It was very emotional scene, just like it is. um They do a really good job with Cedric's death yeah when Harry returns. Again, the music, the acting, they do. the in And it's not again, its it's falls flat compared to the book, but they do do a good job of getting some of that emotion out. So I know we're all going to be sobbing in the show.
00:37:42
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Yeah, I can't wait. So that brings us to our least favorite thing about this adaptation. What did we not like? What was our peeves peeves? Right, let's bring the mood
Critique of Film Omissions and Backstories
00:37:54
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down further. um I think just bringing like just all the stuff they left out, like we said earlier, the Kirk Shings of it all. um And the especially the history of the Marauders. And if I'm not mistaken, they never, the movies never really cover that history. So we don't really
00:38:13
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ever get an understanding of what this friendship was like. I think we get some flashbacks, but we really need to dive into that history. Even if we get some flashbacks in the show, I think that would be really nice. Yeah.
00:38:25
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The amount of times that I have written Flashback in my notes, usually for humor, but still. um i Even Mr. Meigs, when we were listening to the book recently, he like this portion of the book, he was like he's kind of like always like blissfully unaware of my podcasting adventure. and so he like it he like didn't know that we're doing like a peeves peeve spve about this and you know like exactly how we're going to discuss it and he was like they cut all of this out of the film like all of the history and all of this stuff is cut out of the film and i'm like you're right it is and it was just really funny because i wasn't expecting him to comment on it i was like you should join the podcast because we have
00:39:10
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Um, that was also my peeve was just removing the history and focusing the movie in general is just like focusing on kind of like the gimmicky type of, um, dramatic things that they can play off of without having the, like the, um, the whole picture behind it. You know, they, they sacrificed a lot of the history for that. Right. For a whopping Willow chase scene.
00:39:37
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Which is my peeve's peeve. Knowing I can't go back to that scene knowing they had the most brilliant movie depiction given to them on a plate and platter kind of scenario and just they just didn't accept it and moved on and did whatever they wanted in this weirdly shot scene of it trying to be like a goofy cartoon type thing. yeah um Oh, that's how they got into the hole. the The tree just dropped and they magically let go and they were magically transported right into the hole that's big enough for them to fall right through.
00:40:23
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and And the Watson like fall on top of Daniel Radcliffe. I feel like they also were like trying to make this movie more flirty and stuff because they're like becoming teenagers now. because it get it sleep But like, that again, they like chose to add in things like that, that were definitely not in the box. When the most perfectly shot thing was given to them, because that would have been amazing to just they're they're distraught they just saw Ron go through the tunnel and being dragged by this big black dog and they're like I don't know how to do this maybe we need to go get help no he's gonna get eaten by whatever that is and then just like the tree flailing about and then all of a sudden crookshanks just shows up and just goes but like that would have been comical like comical that would have been
00:41:12
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amazing for crook shanks because like cats who doesn't love cats kind of scenario like that would have been awesome and it just would have been like a great contrast of the simplest thing to solve the most complicated problem for them at the time and you can have all this chaos going and then all of a sudden it stops because boom, krixie solved the problem. Like, now we can go save Ron. I mean, as always, it was written for them. Why did they need to change? I think this is the most obvious thing that they had given to them on a silver platter, silver platter. That's what it's called. They had it on a silver platter and it wasn't given to them. They didn't take it and they just messes with me every time. So yeah, that's my piece. piece It's a pretty bad scene.
00:42:01
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ah can't I can't go back knowing they had a purpose. Like the CGI isn't even good, you know? i I feel like probably at the time it looked better, but it's like, was it worth it? Because none of us think it was worth it. No. Moving on to our Weasley salutes, what was something that was a standout character or moment of the books or the films?
00:42:30
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I think I have to go with Gary Oldman's acting, honestly. I mean, he really steals the show there. He does. Well, shit, Sarah Day, you and I are three for three because that's how we look at it. Somebody's been talking. Maybe they're trying to get me to like stand out here. What's going on? What was your salute, James? My Weasley salute is going to be...
00:43:00
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I think it's just the entire process of developing that moment, just like the anxiety the first chapter brings us to trying to save Ron, trying to save Ron, like we have to get there and they get there and then Ron's like, no, it's Sirius Black and then Lupin shows up and like his anxiety is growing, but then like, do we believe them or is this all like a trap or like having Harry going back and forth not knowing what to do, and then Snape shows up.
00:43:35
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right and then like that that that's obviously where it ends but obviously it continues uh... layer into the next chapter which we're going to get to next time he's so conflicted he has to make a choice because Snape's rushing the process and he's been water hosed this entire information he doesn't know what to do with it all and that whole thing with his anger and having just so many emotions, which, you know, in a 13-year-old boy is very complicated um as it is. And then just having, you know, the potential killer of your parents in the room and wanting to kill him and get justice for them for the life that you've been living, all that other stuff. And I just could make, you know, a huge essay on and just how complicated his thought process is right now.
00:44:34
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all of the emotions that he's feeling at the moment. It just, it plays out well. And I can definitely see how it was hard to split this into two sections of an episode. And we're gonna love talking about this in the next next chapter episode when we figure out what we do with Snape and afterwards, all that other stuff. But overall, I think I have to salute the ability to just make us feel for Harry's situation right now and just he completely understands and completely like feel the the trauma he's going through and just the anger he has and the justification he's making up for himself to kill a cat and then kill the person after that and like just all these little things that build up to make this huge moment possible and I think
00:45:32
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so people think that those moments are very easily crafted, they're not. um It's really hard to make that as effective in a book of all things to to make it to make people go, oh crap, like her I need to read that again just so that I can figure out what I just read. So that that entire That entire process between the chapters, I think, is my is my best salute, so I'm gonna go with that.
00:46:10
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And because I am moderating, hello ah we thank you for causing havoc with us today. On the next page to screen episode, we will be discussing chapter 19, the servant of Lord Voldemort, which is an hour and 33 minutes to an hour and 36 minutes and 55 seconds. So you will want to to stay tuned for that because we are getting towards the end of book three and it is not gonna slow down. We are gonna have so much to talk about going forward and we still have so much to talk about. So
00:46:48
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That leads us to our goodbyes Saturday. Where can they find you? Yeah, everybody can find me on Instagram at Captain.McDee, that's M-C-D-E-E, and you can find some of my other projects linked over there. And you can find me, Meeks, on Instagram at Megan, M-E-G-A-N, underscore, Lachowski, L-A-C-H-O-W-S-K-I, and from there you can find all of my other projects.
00:47:14
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00:47:31
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00:47:53
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