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Quid-DITCH the old rules Zuhair Ali and Jay Sisson
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On todays Commonroom Chat, we have some special guests to discuss the daunting flaws of quidditch, how will it go?
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Introduction and Guest Introductions
00:00:21
Speaker
Welcome to Peave's Gabfest, a chapter-by-chapter, page-to-screen analysis of the Harry Potter series, except when we do bonus episodes like this one. I'm Meigs.
00:00:33
Speaker
I'm James. I'm Sarah Day. And with us, we have some special guests. Zuhair, returning guest and friend of the podcast. Welcome back. Hello. All right. And then the reason that we are all gathered here today This gentleman went on a rant about Quidditch scoring on another podcast where we couldn't defend ourselves. And now we have brought him here to say this to our faces, Jay Sisson.
00:01:08
Speaker
It should be said that most of America agrees with me as far as I know. We did very limited polling. It was very limited sample size, but that poll clearly showed that I was ah that i was on the right side of history on this one. But yeah, I'm doing well. Glad to be here.
00:01:25
Speaker
Yeah. so rant too No, I mean, so you conducted the poll as the person who stated your opinion and then you conducted the poll basically insider trading. So I don't think I typed out the poll. I think it was somebody else. But yeah. yeah you know Well, we just have to have a bowl. I had primed the audience beforehand that I was right. I'll admit to that. We know.
Sorting Hat Surprises
00:01:52
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All right, Jay, tell us your Hogwarts house.
00:01:56
Speaker
ah So it's Gryffindor, ah which I didn't really know how it would go. I've had different thoughts over the years of what I would be, but I did them the Pottermore test more than once, and it came out Gryffindor every time. So I guess I just have to lean into it and accept it. It's like a typical Harry Potter story, right? Where in your head, the hat's saying, oh, that you should be in Slytherin. You should be in Slytherin, but then you get sorted into Gryffindor instead.
00:02:24
Speaker
Yeah, something like that. And Zuhair, can you restate your house just for our listeners who may not have heard from you before? So growing up, I always thought it was Ravenclaw. Like I have like merch for it and everything. Even my one of my favorite pairs of vans is like specifically Ravenclaw vans. And then um one bully who has a podcast about Harry Potter told me to take that test before I started playing Hogwarts Legacy and it gave me Gryffindor. And a lot of people have been telling me I was Gryffindor. So I was just like, all right, sure. Like I'll just roll with it now.
00:02:59
Speaker
So does that mean you have a free pair of Ravenclaw vans to give me? That's not right. That's what it sounds like to me. All right.
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00:03:36
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Debating Quidditch Rules
00:08:17
Speaker
Welcome back listeners. I don't even know where to begin. Well, let's let Jay recap his rant from his podcast. Jay, take it away. um I'm trying to get a feel for the room here, too. like It seems like everyone's against me. like I don't know if i'm if I'm all alone on this or not. I could care less about sports, whether they're fictional or realistic. so ok So two neutrals zoo. Where are we at on this? Are you are you on my side? i don't know If you're a call or friendship started off of this right? See I thought so but I just wanted to make sure no one got to you No,
00:09:01
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no there's there's been something that happened that kind of made me dial back a little bit but I am still in the Okay in that edge of things. okay What is that? Reading prisoner of Azkaban I told you. So I guess me a little bit. Jay, if you don't know, Zuhair has not read the books. He's only seen the movie. So he is reading along with us for the first time as we do the podcast. And he comes on after each book and kind of gives his analysis of, you know, why the books are better. um right So looking forward to hearing more about that later, Zuhair.
00:09:43
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Well, the overall sort of argument that I had was that the rules of Quidditch are bad, and that there are several places that need serious improvement, that there are just like a lot of rules in it that don't make a ton of sense, that mathematically it doesn't make sense.
00:10:03
Speaker
and that I am coming to the table not just with complaints, but also proposals to fix Quidditch. So i have I have some proposals that I think would make Quidditch better.
00:10:15
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um but But the core of the rant deals, of course, with the golden snitch, which I feel like is just inherently flawed of a rule system for several reasons. And I do know, I read the books, I know that rolling comes in and it's like, actually the games can last for a long time and you need to catch the snitch sometimes later whenever your team's not up because whatever, you know, all that stuff. All right, I know that.
00:10:41
Speaker
But ah still, it to me, it doesn't change the fact that there's serious flaws with the game. And so I brought up on this podcast, not this podcast, but that podcast, that the rules of quidditch were bad. And no one, I guess, challenged me. And then some angry messages came from from the Harry Potter-verse to to to talk about it. And so I am here to defend that viewpoint.
00:11:11
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and I guess try to propose, because the whole the whole thing came up because we were talking about the HBO show and how they had hired certain writers for the show and we were discussing what we thought that that could mean for the future of the show. And my proposal was like, let's get Quidditch right. Like let's let's take it and let's change it for the show. Like let's get in there and let's let's make the rules right. um And you know, that's ah that's sort of the, I guess the ah inspiration for why I'm here today.
00:11:37
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Okay, so do you want to start with the snitch then? And what is your proposal to fix? Well, should we do the rule? Should we just say what the rules are? Yeah, we should go over all the rules. Yeah, we should go over all the rules and positions and all that stuff. We should get all that out there. Just so you might need a refresher. um welcome for everybody i would like to I would like to point out, James, before you get into the technicalities.
00:12:02
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Hagrid famously says, it's sort of hard to explain the rules. So we know that the rules are really complicated. trying to make him up I saw how he spelled happy birthday Harry on that cake. I don't really know. i think A lot of things are complicated for his knowledge retention.
00:12:22
Speaker
Alright, so rules are are everywhere most likely, but we're gonna go ahead and start with just the positions of the players first. There are seven players on the team. There are two teams in a match. One player is the keeper who guards three ringed goalposts where the main ball that is being thrown around called the quaffle is what you score points and it's about 10 points per goal every time that you throw it in. The keeper blocks the goal. He's the goalie of a soccer team basically.
00:13:01
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So he's defending against three chasers and working with three other chasers um who are part of those teams. And the three chasers of his team make sure that they grab the quaffle, score it on the goal, et cetera, et cetera, go back and forth to no end, literally. um Then we have two other players called the beaters who carry around beaters, little bats.
00:13:28
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Uh, and they fight off too magically in- induced? No. What's the word? Magically infused. There you go. Magically infused balls called bludgers whose only purpose they've ever been given in life is to knock other players off their brooms. And the beaters defend their players while hitting the bludgers at other players. It can get very complicated for them sometimes because it takes a lot of precision or whatever. But that's their main goal is get the bludgers away from them and towards the enemy.
00:14:02
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And then that leaves us with the seventh player, which is the seeker, whose only job is not to worry about any of that and find a little tiny golden ball, a winged ball that is super fast, designed only for that game. And if you catch it, gets you 150 points and ends the game. as That is the end of the game. So how much does a Quaffle get you when you score 10 points? Okay.
00:14:28
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and only 10 points, and every time it is 10 points, it never changes. So I see two obvious flaws with the snitch. right One is the time factor. The fact that the matches can go on forever is insane. all right like she She says in the books, like oh sometimes the World Cups go for two weeks and stuff like that. like No one wants to watch a sporting event that long. no one like We can't halt society for that long, so we can have matches.
00:14:58
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The Olympics just happened. Use me. And they ended. But they have but you can watch the Olympics from like eight to nine. like there's a There's a time limit on the matches. like Time limits make sense in sports. Jay, I think you're underestimating how much gymnastics I can watch in a row.
00:15:18
Speaker
But you'd have to turn it off to go to bed, you'd have to turn it off to eat, you'd have to turn it off to go to work, and it'd still be going on. It might end all of a sudden. Those athletes would need a break at some point, too. They talked about in the books, I believe, when we get to the World Cup, I do believe that they have alternatives that come in, and the athletes do get the breaks. Famous sports, there are more than just the starters, am I right?
00:15:41
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But i'm just I'm talking about like two weeks, one week, even like a day. like That's insane. to me like I don't want to watch that. like It's fine to read it on a page, but think about that and the reality of the world. like The idea that the match can just go on indefinitely, it just like it changes the whole urgency of the game and like not in a good way.
00:15:58
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Like there's no urgency, there's like little, it's like what what does urgency even look like, you know? So to me, like that's a huge flaw. Like I think you need to start with that rule change that like you split it. Maybe you could make it like two 45 minute halves. You could kind of play it like a soccer game or something like that. You have a halftime. ah You could even add time if you wanted, like kind of how soccer is, if you wanted to extend it. Football, you know, I don't know, because if it's kind of fast paced football has got a lot of like,
00:16:26
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time outage for like incomplete passes or running out of bounds and stuff like that. So that doesn't really work. But I think you have to start with that conversation. like How do we put guardrails on the match itself so that the snitch doesn't end it? Because to me it's like this match could last 10 minutes or it could last two weeks. And I know people say like that's the appeal, but to me that just seems...
00:16:48
Speaker
Crazy. I don't know. I like that's, that's, that's feels like a starting conversation for me is like the, the, the, this like indefinite, like we will end the game with the snitch. We haven't even gotten to the points yet, but still like just the time, the time of it all. If we have a time limit, then can, is this niche still worth 150 points? And if you catch it, great. But if you don't catch it, then it's just whatever the quaffles have gotten you.
00:17:12
Speaker
So I think that's the next conversation, and I think that's the next major flaw with the snitch is it's worth too many points. like it's b it's we're You're talking about the equivalency of 15 goals with the snitch, which if you're playing a match for two weeks, I guess it doesn't matter. it's it's so It's whatever. It's all over the place. Who knows? You may up be up 5,000 points or whatever. But it's just like 150, based on what we've seen on screen and in the book, really, like when they play Hogwarts, like 150 is way overbalanced. I mean, to me, you think you're trying to put that in terms of like that. I mean, think about it in terms of baskets like in a basketball game or something like that. Like, you know, you're talking about like two pointers, three pointers and then a 150. Yeah. Like you're talking about like a mat. But the fact that it ends the game, too, like you're telling me that consistently these teams are going to be up on each other 15 goals, like based on the way the game is played, they have a goalie.
00:18:09
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They have three people trying to throw the ball through one of three hoops. Being up 15 goals is a feat. like I just don't feel like, based on the rules in front of us, that probably happens that often. Unless one team is just like totally incompetent, I feel like being up 15 goals is sort of unrealistic a little bit. And so I think that's another conversation that needs to happen too. is like If you're going to put time limits on the game, you have to change the point value of the snitch.
00:18:33
Speaker
and you understand that you've read the books right or have you just yes I have okay so do you remember then it's at least for Hogwarts it's about the whole all four houses playing against each other to get that Quidditch Cup. So they like the points build up overall. So it's not really just getting the 15 goals in this game. It's making sure that your points are still higher than all three other houses and all of their matches.
00:19:04
Speaker
Yeah, but I think that's another problem with the game. I don't know how to explain it past Hogwarts. I'm just trying to make a point. It also encourages you. Go ahead. So it's so i'm I'm also thinking like this is, this was based off of like UK perspective, right? So the main sports that the author has in mind while writing this would probably be lacrosse, cricket, and soccer. So if you're looking like on a national level and an international level, like there's teams that are playing against each other like two to, you know, win within their country. And then as we've seen in the fourth book, you have ah countries that are competing against each other. Like there's this is like on an international scale.
00:19:49
Speaker
So that whole point of keeping it within Hogwarts and this level of points that you win by effects isn't that like that happens on a much larger scale too so it's like it's not just there like there's qualifiers to get to higher levels at that point too. So you are defending the point I just made, correct?
00:20:07
Speaker
No. Oh, okay. I think just the game mechanic wise, it's bad too. It encourages you to like draw the game out. Like that doesn't seem like a good strategy to me. It just like makes the game. I don't know. Like the idea of like, well, we have to draw it out longer to accumulate more points because we won't end it until we grab the snitch. Like to me, like a time limit fixes that.
00:20:29
Speaker
Yeah, like a time limit on the game, I feel like fixes that that idea like so and sports are supposed to have a sense of urgency and Quidditch just like completely obliterates a sense of urgency because it's like in the movies. It's one thing it's made for movies. It's like it's fast paced and it looks like a you know, super fast basketball match or whatever. But like in the real world, you're talking about like multiple hours and hours and hours, but you're thinking like Okay. Well, what's stopping us from like running the clock up as much as we can or running the points up as much as we can for, but, but that's going to make me not
Comparing Quidditch with Real Sports
00:21:00
Speaker
catch the snitch for a while. Like that that idea of like having to wait and extend the game, like to me feels bad. Like it feels like a bad game mechanic. It doesn't make the game anymore exciting to me. It makes it like kind of annoying on someone, the imbalance of resources, because then like your defenders, now I'm trying to remember what the actual positions or callers stuff will be like, paper like, yeah.
00:21:22
Speaker
No, I'm talking about the the saboteurs. Like if you have the lead and all it takes is the snitch to win at this point, like the other person's teams is just like allocating resources to stop the seeker. But then that gives the other person time to score more because there's this imbalance and then the keeper can't keep up as much. So it's like it's just this endless cycle of going like back and forth with stuff like that.
00:21:51
Speaker
Like if you want to put a value, if you want to, to be honest, like I think you could even consider just like removing the snitch entirely from the game. Like if you just, if it was like 45 minutes, broomsticks, yeah. Like it's who yeah. Like the, cause the game within the game of the whole thing, like.
00:22:07
Speaker
To me, if it the 150 in the game, all that stuff, if we just removed it entirely, I'm a lot more interested in watching that. like If it's fast-paced, they're on brooms, they're trying to score, like there's a time limit on it. like I'm watching the scoreboard. like i'm ah like I'm a little bit more invested in that from the beginning and and through the entirety of the match. If I know it's going to last like two 40-minute halves or something like that, like I'm immediately a lot more interested in that.
00:22:33
Speaker
And as somebody who watched the movies, the way that they explained it gave me the impression for the longest time that it's like, you don't always catch the snitch. It's just something that's there. And if you happen to get it, then you win. So in my head, it was always like the snitch was like this Hail Mary that's always around, but it's like a very rare appearance of somebody. that's losing You said from watching the movies.
00:22:55
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's but like, but that's the perspective that I liked is that the game is going on, you can still use the seekers and like, you know, once in a blue moon or something, it's like, oh, crap, somebody actually got the snitch and the game is over now. So I kind of like that a little more because it was a rare occurrence is something you didn't see or something super exciting.
00:23:14
Speaker
But the fact that it once I read the book and I learned that it was something that you have to catch every game, I was like, what? I don't like that at all. And that was my question earlier, I think, like, so if there's a time frame on the game, if we say it's 240 minute halves, is the snitch still 150 points? And that's like the yes, I caught the snitch. We've secured our win.
00:23:37
Speaker
See, i don't to me, I think it makes a lot more sense. like if If you set it up, let's say you you split it into halves, two 45-minute halves, you let the snitch out. you You could do it at the beginning of the game, or even you could do it in like certain periods of the game or something like that. And I think you need someone on your team to be the designated, like if the snitch is out, they're your seeker.
00:24:01
Speaker
But if they don't want to be the seeker, then they could be an extra chaser. So think about it like hockey when someone's in a penalty box. like you've got You've got one man up. It gives you an advantage on offense. But you're also sacrificing the chance to maybe have somebody catch the snitch.
00:24:16
Speaker
that if you had the snitch be worth, I don't know, some number that's not 150, something that like sort of and balances the game a little bit more like, I don't know, 50 or something like something that kind of like it's an advantage like that, that'll give your team a boost, it'll close the gap, but it won't make it to where it's just like you're sort of on this unattainable say like if if Because if my team caught the snitch and got 150 points, and I was up like a crazy amount of points all of a sudden, like what's stopping you from just throwing three chasers in front of your goals and just being like, we're just playing defense for the rest of this game? you know like like It stops the game if you catch the snitch. Well, if we're if we're talking time limits, though. You know what I'm saying? Well, could it still end the game? Could you still have the two 40-minute time limits? But if you catch the snitch, that is the end.
00:25:00
Speaker
So yeah, I don't like that either. Cause it's too much of a, it's too much of a, anyway it's too much of a, of a boost. Like it gives your, like, I like the idea of like, you could catch the snitch like halfway through the game or something. And so your team gets a boost and then, you know, your.
00:25:17
Speaker
It's like only a fourth quarter modifier. Yeah, but yeah but it's still it doesn't happen every game. It doesn't have to happen every game. If you choose to just abandon, your your secret could just turn into a chaser for the game. They could if they wanted to. If you thought that that could win you faster like when get get accumulate you more points faster.
00:25:34
Speaker
Okay, I like where you're going. However, I do as a storytelling, like let's get off the sports mindset and go back to a storytelling mindset. The seeker and the snitch are like the like the cool position and Harry gets really like it's it's a big thing for him to become the seeker in the first book. So how can we still have that level of notoriety, notoriety, oh my God, notoriety um for him in that position with what you're trying to present to us. See, this is the problem though. like That's why she wrote it like that to me. like That's why she wrote this position as being so much more important than all the other positions. yeah Okay, well there's the quarterback. So what's the quarterback of Quidditch and your ideal Quidditch? But the quarterback sort of, it's different, because the quarterback doesn't have a mechanic to be able to like
00:26:28
Speaker
jettison his team to end the game and score like the equivalency of like four touchdowns all of a sudden. you know Yeah, but the quarterbacks are the one that everybody talks about and they're the cool ones because they have to call the plays and command the field. Yeah, like they have to command the field. I think that like the secret could still be like a cool position in the sense. But like, you know, soccer, like soccer doesn't have the equivalency of a like quarterback is such a unique position because it's somebody that has to deliver the ball.
00:26:57
Speaker
to different players, right? But like basketball, soccer, these are team sports. Like you don't necessarily, you have a point guard, but you don't have somebody of that level where they have like so much control over like your offense on the team. And so to me, like the seeker doesn't really serve that same sort of purpose. Like they're not really in control.
00:27:18
Speaker
It's kind of a game within a game. like They're trying to capture something. Everyone's effectively ignoring them unless the beaters want to go after them or whatever. But overall, like it's it can still be like a cool position, I think, that people could kind of follow and track. But at the same time, like it feels like we're we're trying to elevate that position to this level of importance that, to me, like breaks the game, like makes the game just kind of like,
00:27:46
Speaker
It makes like a lot of the what goes on on the field kind of irrelevant, I think. And I think like a lot of times in the books that that does happen. Well, again, the points all add up. So whatever your chasers have scored still goes towards the final Quidditch Cup. Well, at Hogwarts, though, you know, like the the game itself. Who knows how the world, maybe the World Quidditch Cup all also has, you know, maybe they're all playing each other and the the scores are adding up as well.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah, so to to add what Jay was saying, it's like, I think of the seeker in Quidditch, more like a striker in soccer, where it's like, they, they're who you expect to score the most points and make the biggest kicks and get the goals, but they're not the only ones that are doing that. Like they can go back and play defenseman if they need to, they can switch off with the other offensive players if they need to. So there's like this balance of like, okay, you you have your one striker, sometimes you have two depending on the formation that you're running, but you can alternate that um depending on the situation of the sport. So when you have this one person that's dedicated just to go around and catch this one thing for the whole match, it's like, that's where this upgraded importance for the sake of storytelling kicks in more than like the value of what that player should be in the sport.
00:29:07
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean, in sports, you have different packages of players. You know you have your players who are like a lot more suited to defense and basketball. And so you might put them in if you're up or like same in football. If you're down, you might and out of your 11 players on the field, you might choose to put like four wide receivers in instead of tight ends and running backs or something to try to like score points faster or whatever. I feel like Quidditch has it could have the same dynamic where like you have a seeker and a seeker sort of a hybrid kind of position it's somebody who could jump in on offense if they feel like that gives them a quick advantage if they're just trying to score quick but then the this actually catching the snitch in and of itself could give your team a boost like it could it could significantly swing the game it could give your team a lot of points but it doesn't
00:29:56
Speaker
effectively like effectively win you the game, which is what it kind of does. on On most of the examples we have in the books, it basically wins the game to catch the snitch. I know there's the one where like Victor Krum or whatever like grabs and loses or whatever, but like most of the time that just doesn't happen.
00:30:24
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, honestly, I don't really care that much. It's more just fun to make you explain it really hard.
00:30:32
Speaker
I thought about coming in here and saying we should take out the beaters too, because they seem super unnecessary, but I didn't go i didn't go that far. oh my No, but then you go back to to hockey with like the enforcers and stuff, like just knowing that there's somebody out there just beating the shit out of other players. Also, of doing it like that's also we we desperately in the world of Quidditch need to address broom inequity, which seems to be like something that has to be talked about.
00:30:56
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That's the fact that Harry can get a broom that has outpaced the technology of everyone else's. And he just gets to do that. And all the other ones, like Ron's blasting around on this like crappy broom or whatever, because it's all he can afford. I'm glad you brought that up. It's pay to win.
00:31:12
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Uh, my husband plays baseball and, um, when we, I was telling him about this episode, that was the one thing that he wanted to say was that there are standards in sports of their equipment. Like, so baseball bats, there's a standard of baseball bat. You like can't go above that standard. You can't go below that standard in a game. So that was his point about the broomsticks. And I want to go as far as to say for the beaters clubs as well, that there should be standards of the beaters clubs. Yeah.
00:31:40
Speaker
Yeah, i that is something that I do feel very strongly about. um that That doesn't make any sense that there would be there would be allowed to be such a difference between um equipment usage. It should be standardized equipment and everyone should have access to that. Especially with, not that brooms are inexpensive, but and express Especially with how many Quidditch players there are, which is not that many who are playing a competitive level like that, you know, it's only seven players in each house, it's not like they have to supply the, you know, standard for every single um a student or anything. her Yeah.
00:32:21
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Because the Premier League, which is like um Britain's main soccer league, like they don't have a limit on how much they can spend on players. So essentially, they could be putting like big money contracts to get like all the good people to come at one team. And, you know, so i' I'm trying to think of like comps that kind of work in that favor. It's like, well, if you don't have the sponsorship in your own student budgets and stuff like that, then There's only so far you can go for like a school sport. But then you think on the higher level, like, do you think those world tournaments and stuff like, like, what's, what's the standard of equipment? Like if somebody makes was the fireball and they find a sponsor to buy everybody fire bolts, but you know, say like Russia can do it, but Ireland can't.
00:33:08
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Well, and so in gymnastics, for example, with the equipment that's used, and I don't know what it's like in other sports, um but they have, they, they actually have what's called podium training before international competitions where you go, the athletes go to the gym and they practice using that equipment because they have their own equipment at their own facility. So then, but you can't bring the balance beam that's at your gym. You can't fly it to Paris. I mean, you could, I guess, but they don't do that. So.
00:33:38
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they go practice on the podium where the where that equipment is that they're going to be competing on and then that's what everybody uses you might be able to the smaller pieces of equipment that you might have just for yourself like to you know to help your joints or whatever that's your own thing but as far as actually using the equipment you don't you have what's at your gym and you do what you can And then when you're actually competing, everybody's using the same thing that's provided by whoever's
Quidditch World Cup Structure Analysis
00:34:07
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putting it on. And it's usually a standard. There's like two companies that make all of that equipment and it's usually one of the two.
00:34:15
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when it's clear that they're improving broom technology kind of fast in the Harry Potter universe. Cause like over the seven years that of window that we have into this world, like how many different types of brooms come out that are new? Like at least what, like two or three, cause he gets the Nimbus, the Nimbus and then he has the fireball. Like I can't remember if there's any more after that, but like, I mean, within a couple of years, yeah. Like you've got like father buys the entire team, 2001. Right. See, like if I mean, extrapolate that out, you know, what's 20, 30, 40 years look like in terms of broom technology? Like, like the fact that you say 2001 and not two or 3000 kind of says a lot like they're clearly that kind of brings up an interesting like variation that Quidditch could have. Because I'm thinking in jujitsu, there's tournaments where it's like you compete in your weight class, but then there's absolute tournaments where it doesn't matter. It's just like a free for all. Um,
00:35:09
Speaker
So it would be cool if there was Quidditch leagues where it's like there is a league where you can have your own equipment and find sponsors in doing that. But there's like a specific league where it's like everyone has the same thing. yeah So that could add some interesting diversity to it.
00:35:26
Speaker
I think, too, if you if we're see if you're kind of like if you're kind of like, hey, no, I think the charm of the game is that it can last forever. like let's Let's throw the time limits out the window. okay So if if we're going to go that direction, like let's take it back to square one. And let's make sure that the you know the snitch ends the game.
00:35:44
Speaker
To me, like I think maybe, because I get that. I get the strategy of like you have to wait to catch the snitch until you're sure 150 points will win you the game. But like if you want that aspect of strategy to it, couldn't you just make the snitch worth like one point just for tiebreakers? So like it ends the game.
00:36:00
Speaker
Right. So you have to catch it at a particular time. He has catch it when your team's up. Okay. I do like that game, but it'll like it'll break ties, but you have to wait. So if you're the seeker, you're flying around, you see it, but your team's down 30 points. You know, you need to follow that thing around and until they can score at least three more goals before you can nab it. You know, so like, if like in tennis or volleyball, it's like your wind by two is catching the snitch.
00:36:22
Speaker
Yeah. Like, yeah so if it's tied 80 to 80 and somebody catches a snitch, they win. It's over. yeah it's eighty like I like that. So your ideal or, or at this point in time in our podcast, the ideal Quidditch sport is two halves, whatever timeframe that is, what let's say 40 minutes. Everything else is the same, except the Quidditch is only worth one point and instead of 150.
00:36:50
Speaker
Yeah, well, I think so I think it's kind of su different me like it's kind of two different ideas. I think like if I think like option one is that we've we've limited the time of the game. So the game is, you know, two halves or something like that. And there's a clock. And when the clock runs out, whoever has the most points wins. And in that scenario, the snitch still exists. But it's worth significantly less points in 150 because you're on the clock, like 150 points is game breaking if you've got an 80 minute game.
00:37:17
Speaker
you know So like think like maybe the snitch is worth 50 points. So it's a lot. It still like gives your team a boost. But you don't have to catch it. like The game ends when the game ends, whether or not you have the snitch or not. It's just kind of like an extra piece on the field that could get you more points if you want to pursue it. And then option B is everything's the same in terms of time as the books. like The matches last indefinitely, and the snitch is on the field. But the snitch ah catching the snitch ends the game and gives your team one point.
00:37:46
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So there has to be an element of like, your team has to be up before you can catch it. So your matches could theoretically last for however long, weeks or months or whatever, if you want if you wanted them to. Okay. So Migs, James, and myself, what do we, which version of Jay's prepositions here do we like more? Do here, you can answer too. How sweet of you.
00:38:14
Speaker
Or if you have anything else to throw into the conversation here. um Yeah, it's it's interesting thinking of the snitch kind of being like an overtime factor. Because even like with hockey now, um there's like when you go into overtime,
00:38:36
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Um, there's actually less players on the ice too. So it goes from like Five v five versus like three v three or something like that. So it's like say Your time runs out in the second half. It's 50 50 Like trying to find three of your fastest players and their goal is to get the snitch And it's just a matter of like between the six people on the field whoever gets it first That could make things pretty interesting because then you still have they could still be the side, like you can still have like your one seeker and two saboteurs or people who are just like messing with it the whole time, or you have your seeker and two chasers. So it's like the strategy that comes out of like how you play and how your opponent plays and you utilize your players to best accommodate how to get the snitch first.
00:39:23
Speaker
or what if the game goes indefinitely and you catch the snitch and it doesn't give you 150 points or ends the game, but it gives you a chunk of points, let's say like 50 or 60, and adds like a 10 or 15 minute clock like soccer, you know, and when that clocks over, the game's over. So like if your team is up,
00:39:41
Speaker
20 points and you grab the snitch, the other team has basically 10 minutes to try to make up the difference of what we're doing. Yeah, because in soccer there's draws. so Yeah. In soccer there's draws, so Quidditch could have draws too. or yeah I mean, soccer adds time, like if, you know, like that's how the game's played. Like if it's one to one and you've run out of time, they'll add, they'll look at the injuries and the time people have been down and they'll add time to the clock. Like you can have a mechanic like that, like to add, add time to the clock if you feel like it was needed.
00:40:09
Speaker
That mechanic doesn't annoy me, so I'm going to ask. All right. I think I've been silent for long enough. It's my turn. Listeners, you all know I'm a very avid Ravenclaw, and all I have to do in my spare time sometimes is just study and answer questions that I like answering questions to. And this question has been very interesting as we've been building up towards it, but I suffice it to say have found the golden nugget of today's conversation. I am posting now to the room chat a link to www.wizardingworld.com, writing by J.K. Rowling, history of the Quidditch World Cup.
00:41:03
Speaker
And in it, JK Rowling indicates how the World Cup works and how it functions and how one can win the World Cup. And in it are going to be some very fun revelations that work towards J, but also work towards our lovely um with Gabfest friends who who kind of like what is the way that it is.
00:41:26
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ah So much starting off I am going to read it So if you if you don't want to read it and just less listen you can but in the section where it says how the tournament works Because there are a bunch of other sections in this writing, but how the tournament works There are a number of countries that enter a Quidditch team for each World Cup, but they fluctuate from tournament to tournament whether the wizarding population of a country is small it can be difficult to raise a team that um of the required standard that reached the required standard. But other factors such as international conflict or disaster may affect the entry numbers. However, any country may enter a team within the 12 months following the last cup final. Teams are then divided into 16 groups within which every team plays all the others over a two-year period over six until 16 winning teams remain.
00:42:20
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During the group phase, game length is capped at four hours to prevent player exhaustion. inevitability Inevitably, this means that some group games have no snitch catches, but are decided on goals alone. Any win in the group phase counts for two points. A win by more than 150 points earns an additional five points, by 100 an additional three, and 50 by one.
00:42:48
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In the case of a tie, on points, the winner is the team who caught the snitch most often or most quickly during its matches. The final 16 that are chosen from these groups are ranked according to the points they won during the group phase. The team with the most points plays the team with the least. The team with the second most points plays the team with the second least, and so on. In theory, the two best teams will remain to play each other in the finale. And then, of course, referees are chosen by the ICWQC.
00:43:24
Speaker
So that's adding something that bothers me. And that's that the the points scored in a match is what matters ah compared to just winning or losing. Yeah. Because in like, I'll go back to Premier League or hockey, because I understand that better. If you win a game, it's two points. If you go into overtime, you get one point. If you lose, you get nothing. And that affects your standings to be qualifiers for ah playoffs and things of that nature. So the fact that it's like up to this committee and the points matter so then defense is less of a factor because you're just screwing somebody else over instead of trying to actually improve yourself like there just becomes too many factors over there because it's not based off of wins and losses which at the end of the day should be what matters. Yeah, that's what sports are, right? I mean the idea that like the underdog can go in an elimination tournament and beat the big like that's why we watch March Madness and the NFL playoffs and the Super Bowl and stuff because it is single elimination like sometimes the best team does get knocked off by the not as good team like the idea that you're accumulated points over multiple games sort of translates to something like yeah, I'm with you I've always not I've never liked that idea like I kind of like like focusing great much I Think there was a mistranslation
00:44:45
Speaker
the final 16 are elimination rounds until you get to the final two. What's still the build up to that? The one where you're counting points is in the group phase, where you have tons of countries in these groups, but you're trying to boil them down to the final 16. And so based off of how you're performing in the group will get you the opportunity to play it in.
Revamping Quidditch Mechanics
00:45:13
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And so what my opinion is, is it probably randomizes it so that
00:45:18
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we're not we're maybe throwing in some underdogs or not it's not all just professional team players kind of scenario so depending on how your two years went facing off against these other countries really depends on if you're going to get into the final 16 of the Quidditch Cup and then it's going to be the best versus the least best fighting against each other whoever wins moves on it's like a six it's the it's the 16 team bracket whoever wins that game moves on to the next one plays out against the next person continues until you get theoretically the best two teams of the quidditch match and then that is going to be a normal quidditch match with quidditch rules where it doesn't end until the snitch snitch is caught yeah that part of fine it's the qualifying part that bothers me
00:46:06
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and
00:46:10
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Well, and the seating doesn't have any advantage to either, right? I mean, it's, well, I guess you would play the team that has accumulated the less points, but like that part is relatively the same. It's just how you get there. Right. Anybody else? yeah you i so it is quite like yeah i thought That was pretty cool. This kind of stuff just go right over. I will say they do have on this page, uh, previous Quidditch matches from 1990s to 2014.
00:46:37
Speaker
Um, some of them are pretty crazy points and some of them are not really crazy. Uh, for example, 1994 Ireland versus Bulgaria was 170 and 160. So Ireland won 10 points. That was in Goblet of fire. Where? So 170 160. So they caught the snitch in like two minutes or something. So Crumb, so Crumb caught the snitch.
00:47:01
Speaker
when Bulgaria had 10 points and Ireland had 170 points before Crumb caught the snitch. So they just got tired and wanted to be done with it. He's like, I don't care if we win, just end this thing. I need my liquid IV. And that was- Somebody give him a code for that. and Like they knew that they weren't ever going to win. So yeah, he was just like, whatever. yeah Well, it says here, a spectacular snitch captured by young vi sick seeker Victor Crumb was enough to salvage Bulgarian dignity, but not to secure a win.
00:47:34
Speaker
So, I mean, ah it kind of may is making the suggestion that he caught the snitch so that they wouldn't be literally, it wouldn't look like they literally got destroyed because if Ireland caught the snitch, they would be like 300 to 10. Well, see, even like that, to me, like that brings out more of a need for a limit on the, like a time limit on the game. Because like, if someone like him, he's really good at his position, his whole team is not super great, but he's like elite at his position.
00:48:02
Speaker
like he should be able to swing the game, you know what I mean? Like he should be able to get in and catch this. What if he catches it? What if we let it out there during the game, you catch it, you get some points, but then they let it out again and you can catch it again and get a ah chunk of points again. And, you know, maybe if somebody catches it twice in a match or something like that, like they're an elite seeker, they really can push their team over the edge. But again, it's like if you're just like nixing the game as soon as they catch, it's kind of like, okay, well,
00:48:30
Speaker
What was the point of anything we just did just now? You know yeah like do like that idea of it being like a boost of points and you can catch it multiple times. I do like it being an odd number though. So if it's like 11 instead of 10, so that it still is a tiebreaker.
00:48:47
Speaker
Yeah, that tiebreaker, that one point tiebreaker thing for the snitch, that's like my favorite thing that's been said. I think it depends on if you want it. I think really what it comes down to for snitch point value is like, do you want the games to be like Rowling wrote it where it's like they can just last forever or however long they last to just when you catch the snitch, they're over. Or do you think the game functions better if it has set parameters of time? Is there a way?
00:49:11
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If it's like set parameters of time, then the snitch should be worth points, like a a chunk of points. Probably not 150, but it should be worth a chunk of points that really like can close a gap or can put your team out like to a nice jump. And it wouldn't be something that happens all the time. Maybe it happens like once or twice a match, like max or something like that. Because it's really hard to find, the snitch or whatever. But if if um if you if you you know think it should be indefinite or whatever, yeah, I think you've got kill that point value a little bit. And that's where like kind of the one point idea comes from. I love having the snitch and the game. So is there a way to have the snitch and the game and still have like it can't go over two hours, but in like so you can play for five minutes, catch the snitch and it's still over and you still win because you caught the snitch because the other team didn't score anything.
00:50:01
Speaker
I mean, you could, I don't think you can have time limits and the snitch in the game, unless you want there to be like a max time, like kind of what we were talking about a second ago, like four hours or whatever, but the snitch could end the game. But I still think the 150 points still is kind of a problem. I don't care how much the snitch costs. I just like that it's such a special position and the snitch ends the game no matter what. Like I want, that's the portion I want to keep that the snitch ends the game.
00:50:31
Speaker
And that's mainly more for like the story element so that it doesn't necessarily change too much about Harry's position in the story. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I'm very much coming from it, from the storytelling aspect, not the sports aspect, sure um because I do like, I mean, we talked about it on the podcast recently, how maybe not recently, I don't know why we talked about it, but it's so special for Harry.
00:50:54
Speaker
to have this position and to be the seeker and be good at it. um And so like I do like that the seeker is like the quarterback for lack of a better comparison um and that theyre catching the s snake catching the snitch is very important to the game.
00:51:13
Speaker
So to ride off of that a little bit, I think that's where my comparison to a striker in soccer helps a lot. So say say we go with like the snitch only comes out in the second half. It's ah it's a modifier to make things more spicy for the second half.
00:51:35
Speaker
And for Harry, for the storytelling, he's compared to the striker. So him being the seeker, like he just scores a lot. He's really good at scoring. He's really efficient at scoring. And then when the snitch becomes a factor, he's really proficient at that too. That adds the the importance of like why it matters for him, that he just has an eye for like even getting the ah waffle through.
00:52:00
Speaker
um But it's not so much that he's doing the one thing that's just kind of like a nuke for the whole game. So that it it makes the game more interesting because there are more balance in it, but you still have that that talent that him and his father were known for that makes him special in an athlete perspective.
00:52:23
Speaker
Yeah, and even redeffining i mean redefining what the seeker is. like I think I brought up earlier, like what if what if you set it to where the the person who, if you put time limits on the game, what if you set it to where the seeker could play chaser if they wanted to? right like If you feel like you know if we we're down a lot, and if we catch that snitch, and we put all our eggs in that basket, we're going to lose, because we're losing by 12, 13 goals right now.
00:52:48
Speaker
we really need to get goals. What if you tell your seeker like what if your seeker could sub in as an extra chaser for however long you wanted it to be but there's still a time limit on the game like time's still ticking but like you know all right let's put our eggs in this basket because if we can score fast and we can accumulate seven or eight goals or something like that we can kind of close the gap and then you can break off and you can go back and be a seeker again or something like that so it's kind of like He's not sort of nailed it like you could put in because that happens in hockey. you know If somebody gets put in the penalty box, then all of a sudden now you've got about two minutes where it's lopsided. You've got the the off the team with the guy in the penalty box has one less player on the ice. And during that time, like you're thinking defense and the other team's thinking offense because they're like, we got one extra guy. like We're going to go after the goal as much as possible. This is our chance to score.
00:53:37
Speaker
you know and So it's almost like the snitch is kind of one of those things. like If you want to put your eggs in that basket and try to get that like like boon of points, you could do that. Or you could just try to chip away at like ten the 10, the 10, the 10, and try to like see if you could close the gap as much as you can or whatever. But the snitch, to me, ending the game it doesn't work in that scenario. But still, it's kind of an idea to like if you wanted to put time limits on the game.
00:54:00
Speaker
that kind of, to me, like would make it a little bit more interesting. Because if you don't catch it, OK, but if you do, OK, imagine you just got, like, you know it's football or something, and you add 15 points to someone. like That's going to dramatically change the game. Or basketball, imagine you add 20 points to a team's total. 20 is not going to destroy the other team.
00:54:19
Speaker
But that's still like a nice challenge. That's still going to be like, wow, like you paid it paid off that you put that many resources into trying to get the snitch. But it might not always pay off because you might miss it. And then the other team's getting 10 after 10 after 10 after 10.
00:54:34
Speaker
Yeah, I love this idea where it's like you could have a team that has an incredible keeper and then you have like three, like pretty good chasers and stuff. So when the the second half comes around, like you're not even focused on ah looking for the snitch because you know that your three guys are really good at what they do and they could still keep scoring goals and they can still keep the waffle out of their own goal and let the other guy you know, be flying around trying to find that thing. Maybe the... Did you say waffle? I think he says waffle twice. It's cloth. Yeah, so because I forgot what it's called, but it sounds like waffles. I'm just going to keep calling it waffles. I really want to see Quidditch where people are throwing waffles through hoops.
00:55:15
Speaker
That would be great. Like the ultimate frisbee edition, which waffles and people are trying to take bites out of it and stuff. And it like automatically replenishes itself. or What if the seeker is somebody who could play any position? Like if they, if they want to tap out of being in the seeker, what if you got a huge lead and you're like, you know what? It wouldn't really help us to get 50 points extra or whatever. So what the seeker could hop, uh, as another keeper or another, another beater.
00:55:40
Speaker
like put them put them in a beater and let them just go to town on somebody, you know, like like they could sort of play any position ah if they want to go after the snitch they can to try to get that like boon of points, but they don't have to, right? They could sub in on another position if if they had a need, right? If we have a need like, man, we're down way too much for you to be going after this, for you to be, or we're up way too much for you to be going after the snitch, we need you to play defense. Or like we're down way too much for you to play defense, you need to go after the snitch. Like we need you to go after the snitch now, because we need extra points or something like that.
00:56:14
Speaker
very intriguing points on all sides. I do like everything that has been brought to the table today.
00:56:25
Speaker
I thought you were going to say, but I know I was about to say where's the button, that but sports and this was a diyre waste of time. Didn't they just take quidditch out of that Harry Potter video game? Like I heard somebody say that they just like removed it totally.
00:56:42
Speaker
Hogwarts Legacy did not have Quidditch, but they just released a Quidditch game. OK. So i it's it's called Quidditch Champions. and So I think that they didn't include Quidditch in Hogwarts Legacy because they wanted to solely market Quidditch in this new game. It is a it's kind of like a remaster of Harry Potter the and the Quidditch World Cup.
00:57:11
Speaker
if anybody's ever played that. I used to love that game when and I was growing up. um But it was basically you got to play as any of the random world teams that they chose and fight for the World Cup. And the Hogwarts matches were a tutorial to learn how to play the game. They taught you how each part mood, but then when you moved to the World Cup, you got to play the World Cup against, ah you know, sometimes against other players too. I think it was set up so that you could face off against other people on the GameCube or computer or whatever. um So Quidditch Champions is essentially the same thing. I think they are leaning into um the Hogwarts version a little bit more because they're they're marketing how you can play like Harry Potter, Ron Weasley,
00:57:59
Speaker
um And I'll and Draco Malfoy and all this stuff But there is the World Cup part where you're gonna be able to play as World Cup teams in a World Cup stadiums and kind of scenario So yeah comes out next week it is coming out next week and I'm excited for it and I'm gonna be playing so much reliving my childhood memories so yeah i'd be interested you can get a firebolt supreme broom skin i'd be interested to see like how they would make it for a game form because i remember back way in the day like i think i had harry potter and the sorcerer stone on like playstation or something whenever i was really young and i remember there was like a quidditch match that you would play but
00:58:39
Speaker
if you were Harry, like there was no points on the board. like there was there were nobody the The match was going on around you, but basically you just had to fly through these like yellow hoops all in a row. And if you like completed all 30 hoops or whatever, you caught the snitch. So it was kind of like just like a ah fly through these hoops, basically. i mean like That was essentially what you were doing. And so so I would be interested to see like how are you going to translate that to a to a game or something whenever the snitch is supposedly this like very small, very hard to find thing or whatever.
Quidditch in Video Games
00:59:08
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So what they did in Quidditch World Cup was you were playing as the chasers and beaters and there's this meter where the there's two parts of the snitch getting closer to signify the event of when the snitch gets seen and the seekers start playing. So you're playing as the chasers and the beaters trying to get as many points.
00:59:32
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the more special moves like you would use to throw the quaffle or use a beater to take out a um take out a player, you would gain um like gain points in the meter and then that would determine your speed like your speed boost during your Seeker match. So eventually when the the two pieces meet,
00:59:58
Speaker
that it signals, oh, the snitch has been seen by the announcer. And then the two seekers go in from the opposing teams. And depending on how much of a ah the meter you completed during the chaser part, depended determined how much of a speed boost you got during the snitch part. And so it's a speed boost. So it doesn't doesn't mean if you have a ton of speed that you would get to a snitch like snitch faster and catch it. It just meant that you had, if you timed it perfectly,
01:00:26
Speaker
you could get to the snitch before the other person snatched it away from them in ah in the game kind of scenario. And it was them following on this like little, it was like a little golden road in the sky kind of scenario. So it was the path of the snitch. So you know where you were flying kind of scenario. um But if you fell off of the golden road, you would slow down and like get behind the other player who was stuck, who was sticking to the golden path kind of scenario.
01:00:57
Speaker
I said scenario like seven times, but you know what I mean. So that that's how they did it in that game, and i'm um maybe when I start playing this new one, it's gonna be similar, but how they that's how they did it in this game particularly that's focused on Quidditch versus the other games where it's just Harry's perspective because it's a Harry Potter game. You can play as or against Harry, Ron, and Hermione.
01:01:26
Speaker
Oh, Hermione doesn't play Quidditch. What are they thinking? Clearly this game has no idea what she's talking about. yeah so um OK, let's determine time length. Do we like having a time length on Quidditch or do we like the snitch ending the game? Migs, do you have any strong opinions?
01:01:51
Speaker
I like the snitch ending the timing of the game. I mean, I get the arguments in the real world for that being really weird. But I think for it being a Harry Potter like magical game where everything's like a little quirky, you know, I really liked the idea of it ending the game. I agree with you. So my vote is for snitching the game, James.
01:02:15
Speaker
I have to vote? Yeah, there's five of us, so there's no way we can tie. So but right now we've got two for ending the game with the snitch. But it feels like I'm going to be the tiebreaker, so I should probably wait.
01:02:32
Speaker
OK, sure. Jay? i I think I get it from all perspectives. I totally get it. I think if I were designing the game from scratch, I would like there to be a time limit. I would like to keep the seeker, and the seeker would gain more points than kicking the ball in. like You would get more than 10 points, obviously. It would give you a nice amount of points.
01:02:55
Speaker
But I do like the idea of like the urgency of time in sports to me kind of feels necessary to to a degree. ah The idea of of time of a clock and the clock is running out and you have to score points a certain amount of time. So so I like the idea of the snitch still being on the field. It's just it's worth something. and But it doesn't necessarily end the game. The clock ends the game. and Whatever's on the scoreboard is whatever's on the scoreboard.
01:03:18
Speaker
But isn't there, I mean, not to keep the debate going, but isn't there a sense of urgency with the game of finding the snitch? Like, isn't that the urgency? But it's like priority changes depending on what your score is. But it's 150 points. But we haven't gotten to that yet. So it's like, how have we not? That's a big part of why it's such a frustrating system. should we have to and do we Before we vote on this, do we have to vote on how much the snitch? I'm just trying to conclude the episode here.
01:03:49
Speaker
ray just added in more factors succeeded not saturday know saturday they
01:04:01
Speaker
Okay, well, let's just say we've got two for the the snitch ends the game and we've got one now for time limit do hair All right, so I'm going time limit I like the idea of having a keeper, two beaters, two seeker, no, two chasers? Three. Three. and one there's Three in the three chasers. There's three right in the three and then one seeker. Yeah. um I like the idea that the seeker
01:04:36
Speaker
or any of these positions can play back or forward depending on what their team needs and what their players are capable and what strategies um they could come up with. I think I like the idea of the snitch not being a factor until overtime so if you have two halves you're at a tie because then it's like this big deal of like oh we actually have like a snitch that comes up and if it is one point that's cool to look back on the records because you can look at the final scores be like oh that one went into overtime that one went into overtime uh because you see like you know 21 or 81 or 51
01:05:17
Speaker
So I like the snitch being this like huge deal of like, oh we actually have a game where they have to bring it down to three players or two players and their sole objective is just to find the snitch. And that could take as long as it wants. There won't be a timer on that because I don't like the idea of a draw. um ah But the snitch knows to stay within like this little magical geofence. And that will be the deciding factor of overtime.
01:05:48
Speaker
Okay, James. But I'm voting time on it. So see, I totally thought I would be the tiebreaker here. So, uh, it just makes much better content that way. I actually enjoyed this conversation. Um, brought James who brought some interesting things to mind that I hadn't considered before. And keep in mind, I was neutral about this entire thing. I could care which way. Um,
01:06:17
Speaker
I do love the i did i did love playing the game and all that stuff, so there there is a little bit of bias in not wanting to change anything, but um some good points were brought up. I do like the idea that the seeker does more than just seeking.
01:06:36
Speaker
Um, it does feel a little bit lame to kind of just fly around the arena watching your fellow teammates kind of just score goals and do other things and participate. And you're just scanning the sky for a little gold ball snitch kind of
Balancing Gameplay and Storytelling
01:06:53
Speaker
scenario. I do think like it would be relatively more interesting if the seeker got to participate by either grabbing the quaffle, passing it along to another chaser. Um,
01:07:07
Speaker
or anything of that sort. I think that that's a good addition to add. um
01:07:16
Speaker
I'm not too sure about the time limit, to be honest. I get the idea of a time limit, but I can't say that there isn't a time limit because we just read from JK Rowling that there is a time limit in the qualifying rounds for at least the qualifying rounds.
01:07:33
Speaker
um So I mean, if you took those rules into account and just applied them to everyday games, then the time limit would be four hours. And if you didn't really change much and you kept the snitch and at 150 points and you just put the time limit about four hours, then you're ensuring that the game ends.
01:07:55
Speaker
there are ways to determine who's the winner by how many goals you scored, ah but the snitch is still in play kind of scenario if it gets missed. So i'm gonna I'm gonna vote time limit, but in the sense that JK Rowling put it, where you have a four hour time limit if you can't finish the game in four hours,
01:08:23
Speaker
then you're gonna end it with the points that are are on the on the board kind of scenario. And if there's a tie, then you can find like a way to tie, do do like a little tie breaker kind of scenario, a penalty shot or whatever like they do for ties in some other games.
01:08:42
Speaker
um But i without changing too much to the game, I think just adding the four hour time limit would probably be the best opinion for me. So sadly, I'm sorry, guys. I'm going to have to go that way just a little bit. No, that's fine. You don't have to apologize. So you guys, man, there's a time limit. There's a time limit. um Right, take those two points away from Ravenclaw.
01:09:09
Speaker
ah um how do we because Going back to this is a story that's being told, whether it's the book or the TV show. so If we have Quidditch, how's the time limit? How do we keep the position that Harry is going to be special? And how do we keep his part of this Quidditch team? like What differentiates that? What makes him the quarterback, per se? I almost think like if you had so if you have a time limit, then that takes, and and we've kind of mentioned it before. And and i if again, if I were designing the game from total scratch,
01:09:50
Speaker
um I would create two halves, 45 minutes, like in soccer, and you have a you have the same positions on the field that you have in the books. But the seeker has an additional role. So the seeker has an option. So all of the other players can't switch positions, ah but the seeker has the option to switch positions if they want. So you kind of have to the seeker kind of has to drive your team.
01:10:13
Speaker
Like the seeker kind of has to, cause if the seeker comes in on offense and all of a sudden the other team, uh, is there, their seeker is out looking for the snitch, but your seekers on offense trying to score, then that has changed the dynamic. But you've told the team like, this is what we're doing. Like you're sort of like the quarterback calling the plays.
01:10:30
Speaker
Or if you go in and you grab, you know, the equipment to be a beater, you've kind of told your team, like, we're going to be on defense. So you're kind of calling the plate. You have to make those judgments as the seeker. You have to scan the field and be like, all right, we're down. We are down like 200 points or whatever. I need to go out and try to find the snitch to try to bag us like 50 points or something, you know, to like close the gap.
01:10:52
Speaker
Or you could look at it and be like, you know, we're kind of up like 70 points right now. I think I need to go grab the grab the beater equipment and play defense for a little bit. Or or maybe jump in and and guard one of the three goals, you know, or something like that and try to like see if we can. um so So it does sort of elevate the position, but Seeker all of a sudden kind of becomes like this jackknife position on the field where you can kind of address your team's needs, whatever that is.
01:11:18
Speaker
So you catch the snitch and it gives your team a boost. Think of like two touchdowns and football or something. ah So it's a huge boost, but it's not enough for you to like completely eradicate the other team, basically. And do you only catch it once?
01:11:32
Speaker
Um, and I think you, why not catch it more than once in a game? Like why not? Well, that way, if you have someone who's elite, right? If you have someone who's a like a really elite seeker, like they're just better than the other seeker and they catch it two or three times, you know, like they've swung the game. Like that's why you want is because their seeker was way better. So well, first of all, zoo do you have anything to add? Hmm. Not really. Okay. Um, because I, because I think of like how.
01:12:01
Speaker
Like Oliver Woods position in all of this, right? Like how, how does our propositions change his role? So in hockey and soccer, like your goalie and your keeper is basically like the life of your team, because if they're not doing well, obviously you're getting scored on morale goes down. And like, if if you have a bad goalie in either of those sports, like you're screwed. Um, so I, I liked the idea of.
01:12:30
Speaker
Oliver is still having a position where he can see everything and direct as needed, but Harry being his seeker is like the number one score and the one who can get the just for the sake of saying it now, can get the waffle through and get the points up. And then when it comes to the snitch entering the field, like he's just elated that too. Yeah. like you would You would want your best player being seeker, right? Because they can play defense. They can play offense. They can chase the snitch. Like you would want your whoever like the sharpest eyes, fastest player, like that you would want that person to play that position. OK. Really ironic because he wears glasses before we give our our little vote or makes and James and I
01:13:14
Speaker
whatever we're gonna do okay in the first book the way he is drafted onto the Quidditch team is because he catches the remember brawl so how how do you rewrite that without having and know he's dispatches okay so he just you you still just understand that he's a good Quidditch player because he catches that well I mean like it's not just him catching the remember I think it's his ability to fly the broom I think McGonagall looked at how naturally he was flying the broom and how he caught the remember out of midair and like how he stopped right before he hit the like hit the castle wall kind of scenario like that all together shows a bunch of different traits in a player that you want if not just catching the remember.
01:14:05
Speaker
Okay, so we have said it's two halves, or there's a time limit, probably two halves 45 minutes, and the seeker can change positions. Do you we like that makes?
01:14:23
Speaker
Um, no, but I'm also not like, to against it enough to remove it from the rules. I'm just not used to it. I'm just not used to it. Yeah. What then, um, do the other scores stay the same? Like the quaffles are, I mean, I'm sorry, the waffles are still worth the same amount of points. And then the bludgers are still doing the same thing, but what is the snitch worth now? ah I kind of like the, the chaos energy of the snitch only being worth one point.
01:14:56
Speaker
But especially if you can catch it multiple times, you just it depends on how competitive the games are, too. because Yeah, because you see a scenario where one team's up 40 or something or 50 or like the other team sucks and they're up 200 or whatever. It's like, all right, well, maybe like never catch the snitch, you maybe like 21 points or something like that so that it's a tiebreaker still. But um It, it would be one point over if the waffles are worth 10 and then the snitch is worth 11 or 15. Yeah. It's either it's really hard to catch and you make it 15 or they're easy to catch and you make them five. one Yeah. Or five.
01:15:37
Speaker
I kind of like the idea of like you know the well and you'd have to watch match you'd have to like do like five test matches with no snitch to see how close the games typically are like you'd kind of need that data a little bit because like if they're scoring like boom boom boom boom like it's just like rapid it's like basketball like they're just like fast breaks and scoring like crazy you'd probably want the snitch to be worth like chunks of points that would differentiate your team. So like if if it's constantly like 10 and 20 point battles of differentials, then you'd want the snitch to be worth like 50. Because that would give your team the boost that it would be worth so it would be significant. But if the teams are constantly getting these huge gaps from one another, that kind of changes the conversation a little bit. Because then it's like, OK, well, then the the snitch isn't as
01:16:26
Speaker
ah special all of a sudden in a way. like Because it's not going to put your team at a bunch of an advantage or disadvantage. If your team's bad, your team's bad. like The snitch isn't going to... You know what I mean? like I don't know. like catching the Catching the snitch and ending the game, but it's worth one point. The problem with that is like if if you're if your chasers are just bad, that you might never get you might never catch it or have the chance to catch it ever. yeah Right.
01:16:53
Speaker
So I think... I mean, James, with with all of your data-based brain stuff, do you have any idea if Quidditch matches are historically closer? Well, I'm just, just the World Cup statistics here. We have 1990 with Canada at 270 and Scotland at 240. One of them catches the snitch. So one of them was really bad and the other was really good kind of scenario.
01:17:26
Speaker
Ireland's in Bulgaria, same thing. Ireland was beating the crap out of Bulgaria. Bulgaria couldn't score any quaffles. They catch the snitch and they lost by 10 points. So. Okay. So historically, it seems like they are bigger gaps and that's why the snitch is so much. Why, why it's so much because it helps the team that it helps, it helps the team that wasn't doing so well kind of scenario.
01:17:52
Speaker
ah But there are other other ones, like 2002, Egypt won by 150 points because they were tied with Bulgaria at 300. So catching the snitch ended the game breaking the tie kind of scenario.
01:18:07
Speaker
Well, we're making this up as we go. So let's just say that teams are pretty much even scoring wise. That's when we do the I don't think you know, that's when we make the quidditch or the snitch worth 15. If they were if they were consistently scoring on each other, yeah, that would make more sense to have the snitch be worth 15. But if it If it was games where one's team is scoring on another one, and it just kept showing that they had bad chasers, then there wouldn't be a point in catching the snitch. It depends on if you want to end the game or not, I think, at the end of the day. Because if you don't want it to end the game, if you want the time to decide the game. But if we have a time limit, we can. Right. If you want the time to decide the game, then I think the snitch needs to be worth probably
01:18:58
Speaker
like 40 or 50 points, like something like that, like where it's like, if you can catch it multiple times in a match. So it's going to give you a boost, but it's kind of like a Hail Mary. like If you're putting your seeker out to find it, you know you've doubled down on it. The other team seeker might be scoring more points on you while you're looking
Innovative Rule Proposals for Quidditch
01:19:15
Speaker
for the snitch. But if you catch it, it could pay off, right because it's 50 points. like that's ah that swing That could potentially swing the match. But that's the time limit. If you want the snitch to end the game, then that changes the conversation a little bit, because it's like, now it's
01:19:29
Speaker
if the matches are typically kind of close. like i don't I mean, if the matches are close, like that's that's the exciting part to me. like I'd be really annoyed if I had like a match that was like, boom, boom. But like it's super exciting. It's like 10, 10, 10. It's swing, swing, swing, back and forth, back and forth. And somebody catches the snitch and it's over. It's like, oh, man, like i was I was invested in that. you know like I don't know. Right. like But we already decided the snitch doesn't end the game, right? Didn't we say we are doing the time limit? The seeker can change position. So now we're just saying, what does the snitch what is the snitch worth?
01:20:01
Speaker
and our we in our rewritten Quidditch that we've gotten to this far. I like 50 and you can catch it multiple times. OK. OK. Everybody, are we liking that? OK. So in conclusion of this episode, our our ah proposal to HBO Max is the Quidditch sport. We'll have two halves. We're at 45 minutes each.
01:20:26
Speaker
The seeker can change positions and the snitch is worth 51 points.
01:20:36
Speaker
Did I recap that all correctly? Does the snitch in the match or does the time in the match? The time. so you can You can catch the snitch multiple times. okay I do like that. I do like being able to catch the snitch multiple times.
01:20:54
Speaker
Do you have to end the game? Do you pause the game? So you catch the snitch. Does that end the inning or whatever? And then you start talking. That's what I was wondering. Do you catch the snitch and then have to dodge it somewhere? Yeah, you have to deposit it. Is there this little chalice that you have to throw it in and then it launches a new snitch? Yeah, you have to take it to the other goal line of a referee or something like that. I don't know. No, what chalice? I like the chalice too.
01:21:19
Speaker
Yeah, you have to deposit it like adds to you know, goblet of fire. There's like there's a goblet that's like commonly like it's a recurring thing. goblelin a twitter line And then they announce like the snitches released in 321 and they launch it back out or whatever. It's like this like little dark hole that's like in the middle of the pitch and you have to like throw it in there and it like launches out a new one after the points get calculated.
The Broomstick Equality Debate
01:21:42
Speaker
OK, what i'm like if you catch the snitch and then a a beater whacks you in transit? Like, you know, that's kind of that's kind of. Oh, OK. They got it, but they got to get it to the they got to get it to the pot. So we've got the three goals at the end of the pitch, right? So there could there be something at the bottom of the three goals that they have to go and deposit the snitch?
01:22:05
Speaker
Yeah. Or just in the middle of the field or something. Like somewhere, everybody knows where. Middles. Yeah. Yeah. Middle. Okay. Okay. If there's only, if there's only one, if there's only one snitch, yeah, I think you could put it in the middle. and you can I just feel like it's like capturing the flag and you have to go back to your team's like home base. Yeah. Or 10 snitches.
01:22:24
Speaker
I like it being in the middle because then the beaters are still a factor in that. If we're tied if we're tied for every for every minute of overtime, we throw another snitch out there and that's the game. It's like if you are if your overtime goes 17 minutes, you got 17 snitches out there and if someone catches one, it's over.
01:22:44
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Or also, in addition, in addition to the multiple snitches, you are judged like you would be in gymnastics for how good you look when you catch the snitch. Yeah, you get four points.
01:22:59
Speaker
but um I keep on it, but it was really sloppy. Rowing it into the Quidditch Cup, and then like, it's worth money at the end. Whoever wins the Quidditch Cup wins all these golden balls of snitches that they can sell for like tons of money.
01:23:14
Speaker
I would love that. You autograph it for more value.
01:23:23
Speaker
Well, folks, I think we have really good ideas. Migs, how are you feeling about this new sport we've created? I like it. I think that there were some good ideas. But we can all agree on broom equity. Broom equality. In this 2000, get out of here, fire bolts, none of that. Bring us to some equal brooms.
01:23:45
Speaker
And or if you have a fireball, you can't use it in the competition. Like it's a there's a standard broom. Yes. Will should be supplied with the brooms or something like that. Like everyone should be. Can you imagine like Malfoy being in a summer league with his fireball and everything and then having to come back to school with like the Hogwarts standard because there was a low sports budget. We had some standardized head protection, too. We need a helmet ah that was kind of like NASCAR. You can't bring a Ferrari to NASA Rod where helmet.
01:24:15
Speaker
um more he Yeah, they brought helmets in in that movie. we'll just don't We don't need to talk about the continuity. There's just a lot of things um about the movies in general. I think that's the like number one thing I'm most excited about the show is the continuity from season one to season seven. Yes. yeah ah Hopefully. Yeah, hopefully we don't fire all the writers. It's your negativity out of here, Jay. I'm just so just being realistic.
01:24:44
Speaker
Get your realism out of here, Jay. They have to recast Harry in four seasons or I mean, you know, it could get messy. They didn't do that in Game of Thrones. They don't need to do it in Harry Potter. I am really curious about like, how do you make a broom better than other brooms?
01:25:03
Speaker
yeah Well, it's like, well, based off the book, I imagine it as cars so like ah but there's no engine to be faster than a Volkswagen or like handling, you know, like like if I turn the Nimbus, it's sharp, it's sharper, you know, isn't it based but but isn't it basically just like.
01:25:22
Speaker
putting spells on a broomstick, you know what I mean? Like, isn't that essential? I think it's the way they craft it. Based off the book, there was a whole detailed explanation of all the mechanics about how the wood was from this part of this tree, and how the fibers were from this animal and how this was put into that and how this was enchanted in a certain way. There was a whole page about Harry just geeking out like reading about all the schematics over like the components that went into the fireball. Fine.
01:25:52
Speaker
So I think it's just who's crafting it, who's making who's making the car. Some people specialize in very fast, very fun cars. Other people just make random cars that will break down in 10 years. I would imagine it's the same in the broom industry. So you have people making brooms that are particularly fast for maybe the World Cup and are expensive to buy and all this other stuff. But then they buy it, then they may have a manufacturer making cheap rooms for the everyday wizard in which so that they can transport themselves from. Now here's an idea. Here's an idea. The US gymnastics women's leotards had like 10,000 crystals on them.
01:26:38
Speaker
for no reason other than the mining the comp Wait, what did we call them? We were this is when we were talking about the feather ologist. Yeah crystalologist What did she say? Oh best rune is how this is the verb for Best ruining crystals on the leotard. Anyways, whoever this woman was was like, well, it's Paris So it has to be fashionable and the gymnasts were like these leotards are really heavy because they're covered in crystals anyways be strewn broomsticks.
01:27:11
Speaker
Crystal? Just deck them out. Yeah. Yeah. Why isn't anyone doing that? why don't we Why don't we sell advertisements on them like NASCAR? You just, you know, if you want to know. Yes. I bet the world has. Chocolate Frogs wants to sponsor me. It'll be like NIL in college football. Like if if Chocolate Frogs wants to sponsor me, I will slap that on my broomstick or I'll say in a post-game interview, like I'm about to go have some chocolate and they'll deposit some ah you know ah galleons or whatever into my account.
01:27:38
Speaker
ah You know, like we'll just like throw it to your house if you throw chocolate Fox for everybody, if they win, or like um um the the Washington Capitals have the McNugget minute where if they score in the last minute of a quarter, you can get free 10 piece nuggets from McDonald's and like participating areas.
01:28:00
Speaker
Yeah, there's a lot of opportunities here. Yeah, orre they're really missing some serious revenue generating potential. inqu All these sponsors like on the side of the train and everything. But at the World Cup, they talked about how um they had advertisements.
01:28:21
Speaker
I don't know if they were on the players, but I remember like ah it wasn't a billboard, but it was a billboard-esque. A magical thing. They have it being on their uniform. Yeah, that's so funny. That's so American for us to... I know. We're more immediately going there. We just need to keep capitalism to quidditch.
01:28:37
Speaker
Yeah, no, but back to like Premier League, like the front of their jerseys is like their sponsorship and then on their sleeves is like other sponsorships. That's the UK side of things. Yeah. Well, now in college football, like you couldn't you
Adapting 'Prisoner of Azkaban'
01:28:50
Speaker
used to not be able to pay players, but now like, you know, players can be in commercials, players can get direct payments from the school. I mean, it's, you know, a whole different world of of money in sports now.
01:29:01
Speaker
Whatever pays for those fire bolts. That's what I always say. But like with the broom composition and stuff like that, like with with hockey, the goalie doesn't have the same stick that the rest of the players do because they have no need to score. So it's thicker because they're trying to protect the goal. So like I could see a keeper stick being manufactured to be able to turn quicker, but it's not fast where the seeker is actually trying to get back and forth and need maneuverability. So they need something lighter.
01:29:30
Speaker
Um, the beater will probably need something more durable because he's probably taking a lot more hits and stuff. So like I could see there being specific brooms for specific positions, but those obviously still need to have a standard as well. Interesting. I like that.
01:29:46
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point, which is why we brought you two on to the show today. um Okay, as I'm watching football, there's no way old linemen is wearing the same pads at the quarterback. is Right? Makes it makes sense. Yeah. um Okay, let's review our points. Did we distribute points today? Well, I don't think we did. I don't think so either.
01:30:15
Speaker
i Yeah, I took I jokingly took some away from James for not siding with his co-hosts But that's fine. We don't really have to do he has to deal with the fallout of us or a fall out of that not us, you know
01:30:32
Speaker
um All right. Does anybody have anything else? ah Jay and Zuhair, how are you feeling? We're almost done with analyzing book three, comparing it to the film. So how do you two feel in general about the film and its adaptation of um of Prisoner of Azkaban?
01:30:54
Speaker
I need to go back um and revisit. I remember liking the Prisoner of Azkaban quite a bit as a book. Please don't say that you liked the Womping Willow scene.
01:31:06
Speaker
No, as a bookkeeper. In the movie, yeah, in the movie. Oh, okay. What do you feel about the one that was in the movie? So it's been a while. Like I i started reading The Sorcerer's Stone in sixth grade. It was when it had come out. And so none of the other books were out yet. so And so I was reading them as they came out. And it was like midnight release, like going to the bookstore, buying the book and reading it that time. So kind of so it's been a while, you know, it's ah but I followed them.
01:31:33
Speaker
through, it but I haven't reread them since. So I did the one read through as they came out. And then I watched the movies, you know, when they came out. But, um but yeah, I mean, um and don't I, necessarily remember the Whomping Willow scene too much. But I need to go back and, and and revisit, I think.
01:31:57
Speaker
Yeah, that's your homework assignment. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Go watch it. Come back to us. There's a few things that really stand out in the film that we are like, cannot believe that that was a choice that they put that in. So we're really curious about how you feel when you revisit it. Is it like too goofy or is it like? You could say that. ok Okay. Okay.
01:32:17
Speaker
I'll just have to, um I'm not going to have you talk anymore. I want to be, so I don't want to be swayed. I yeah want to just go in blind. Like before, you know, um i gotta for my own opinion say that he like really approves of those and then we're going to have to come on. So first of all, you have to read chapter 17. Then you have to watch the, that portion of the film. Yeah, I'll come back just to be a contrarian but theo or something.
Podcast Promotions and Social Media Engagement
01:32:44
Speaker
And Zuhair, we'll have you on in ah in a few weeks, I'm sure, when we finish the book, as we always do. All right. We'll leave it at that. Can't wait. All right. So Zuhair, where can people find you?
01:33:00
Speaker
So we were on a brief hiatus, but animation deliberation is back. So you can find animation deliberation and anywhere you find your podcast and follow us on Instagram because I'm getting a little better at making reels and I'm kind of proud of it. So I'd love the support on that. We did some coverage of Batman Cave Crusader and the halfway point of My Hero Academia ah coming soon. We have Delicious and Dungeon ah season two of my adventures with Superman and I'm drawing blanks on other ones, but those are kind of like the the two closer things that we're going to be hitting. Um, on top of that, I am a business owner now. So if you guys could follow upright exposures and look at cool pictures of houses throughout the day, uh, that would be greatly appreciated. And Jay, where can people find you?
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They are very, very well done pictures of houses too. Like, you know, cannot be overstated. Like, go check out those houses. Yeah, they're really good. Well, you can find me to on two weekly shows. I'm on Commute the podcast with my friend Dave, and we just cover about three interest ah ah interesting topics in about 20 minutes. ah So this week, I think we talked about ah Why is Rudolph not in Christmas movies? And why, what what is the real value of the Princess Diana Beanie Baby? You know, it's stuff like that. um So we do some hardcore investigative journalism on these topics. yeah And then I'm also on Multiverse News ah Weekly as well. Those episodes drop on Wednesday. And me and other co-hosts, Matthew Carroll and Haley Hobbs and J. Scottie St. Clair, we talk about ah entertainment news, trailers, box office, casting, just things that surround
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franchises and studios and and things like that. So it's always a good time over there too, which is all their Instagram because there's a lot of value to that alone. Yes. We do have an Instagram at multiverse newscast and we're on Twitter as well. I think it's in V newscast. I think it's different handle over there.
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And one of the episodes of Multiverse newscast is where we discovered um this glaring issue about Quidditch rules. I did go a little hard on the episode, um you know, well but also like no one, you know, no one was was coming at me either. It was just kind of like nobody. I don't know if they hadn't read it or maybe it it just it's easy to have an opinion when nobody's fighting back against. you Right. And so ah so given more time to step back, I think I said something like, imagine imagine you're playing a basketball game and it's super fun and somebody finds a hacky sack in the stands and all of a sudden your other team wins or something like that. But I took a lot of time. I did my research. I tried to come up with some alternatives. you know And that way I'm just not dogging Quidditch. I love the idea of sports in the wizarding world. like let's ah Let's do it. it's just I think we could benefit from some tweaks.
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It's, it's true. And also go listen to multiverse newscast to hear what other hot takes that Jay has, what that are going to lead him to having to come back onto the podcast here. ah James, where can people find you? This is, as always, you can find me at James M Beltran on Instagram or TikTok. And just kind of It's enjoy the ride. I don't know. Yeah. I don't do anything special yet, except for this. All right. And Saturday, you can find me on Instagram at captain. McD that's M C D E E. And you can find my other projects there like fantasy heroes that I do with zoo hair. Oh yeah. You guys didn't even talk about that.
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isn't it Okay. Um, and you can find me. Yeah, that'll come up in the fall when registration opens. Um, and you can find me Meeks on Instagram at Megan M E G A N underscore Lachowski L A C H O W S K I. And from there, you can find all of my other projects and you can follow the podcast on Instagram and Tik TOK at Peebs gab fest. It will first ease. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast wherever you listen and leave a five star review.
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