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Today, we are analyzing [_Chapter 20: The Dementors' Kiss | 1:36:55 - 1:45:38].
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Introduction and Spoiler Warning
00:00:21
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Welcome to Peave's Gap Fest, where sometimes we host a chapter by chapter page to screen and analysis of the Harry Potter series, and sometimes we just have a comment room chat. I'm James. I'm Meigs. And I'm Sarah Day. And today will be analyzing chapter 20, The Dementor's Kiss, which is an hour and 36 minutes and 55 seconds of the film to an hour and 45 minutes and 38 seconds of the film. A humongous chunk of the movie, which we will probably just
00:01:02
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devour the entire thing. ah Before we start gabbing though, we wanted to give a spoiler warning. Like always, we will be using our vast knowledge of the Wizarding World to compare the page to the screen, and we may...
00:01:15
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And actually, no, we will gap about moments that happen later in the books and films. So you've been warned, Echo Fristies, before we begin.
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Werewolf Transformation in Film vs. Book
00:06:17
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Welcome back listeners. Do we have a chapter for you? The biggest and baddest chapter of the three chapters to follow um That throws us all on just a kind of weird, werewolf frenzy, if if I may say so myself.
00:06:40
Speaker
um I guess the first initial thoughts one must ask is how do you like how they approached Lupin's transformation? like the Not just like the transformation itself, but like the the walk from the Shrieking Shack into the tunnel and yeah out of the Whomping Willow, and then the build up to it, and then obviously like the actual transformation itself, like that whole section What do we feel? What do we like? What do we dislike? like What's going on here? I don't have a lot of positive to say about this adaptation, to be honest. That's cool. Now, like, tell us more.
00:07:29
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Um, where do I start? Well, if you mentioned the werewolf, I mean, I, I love like the werewolf reveal in the books. Um, but I,
00:07:42
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Never really like this version of a werewolf. um It's much more, it's not as humanoid as I i would like, I guess. I don't really know. i And it's just, it doesn't look like it has fur. It's just very more alien than it is werewolf in my opinion. um So i I definitely look forward to a better design for Lupin in werewolf form.
00:08:12
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in the show um and there's a lot there's a lot that is added to this portion of the film that was not in the book um like the whole Hermione Howling I mean we don't know it's her at this point in the film but we know it's Hermione Howling Snape would never protect the trio like he does in the film and that's a lot of the reason why movie viewers love Snape and book viewers don't because um he protects them. And I love that moment for Alan Rickman, but i Snape wouldn't do that. Maybe Harry because of his connection to Lily, but definitely not Hermione. Serious knowing about the potion. I guess I'm doing a Meeks lightning round right now real quick about all of my disabilities. I will allow it.
00:09:02
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Sirius saying, have you taken your potion? He wouldn't have known about that, because that's a new thing. And he's been in prison this whole time. um And then the whole thing about him, like um after he's had his little fight with Lupin, he turns back into Sirius. And he's like walk stumbling down the hill towards the lake. First of all, Harry would have caught up with him, because Harry was running. And it's a long way down to the lake.
00:09:31
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But he doesn't. He sees him pass out by the lake. And I'm just like, why? What was he doing? Why was he going to the lake in the first place?
Criticism of Movie Adaptations: Snape's Actions
00:09:41
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So overall, set design also not broke with.
00:09:45
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Yeah, it isn't like a lot of the choices that they made. It's like you can kind of understand, you can understand why they did certain things like to make the movie be cool, but it isn't, um there's not really continuity between like what would actually happen in the overall story i for what they did. Exactly. And continuity is always my hot button in these discussions. Isn't it always? Yes.
00:10:12
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how let's like I want to break some of that stuff down. let's Let's break some of this down. And I think the first thing to break down and kind of just get out of the way is Snape. In the movie, they decided Snape stayed in the shrinking shack, stays knocked out, doesn't bring him with him. Whereas in the book, they're dragging him along by a carrying him by magic kind of scenario.
00:10:41
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In fact, there's probably some very comedic moments where Sirius is just guiding Snape and not paying attention like how how to be careful, and this so Snape's head is being banged against the walls and and the roof, and that that's probably a little comedic moment right there, because of course Sirius would be sure that happens.
00:11:01
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1000%. And um i I mean, we say it all the time how the movies are just much more dramatic. um And then the dramatic portions that work in the book are like we reworked in the films. um But we also talk about the um comedic relief is also very often cut from the films. And that's another perfect example of Snape getting his head like keep bumping on the ceiling and just taking that all out and it just ugh ugh I just don't have a lot to say somebody say something positive about this adaptation uh but you do definitely bring out uh a good point about like Snape in the movie being protective of the students and he's just like get behind me when he realizes like at first he's like
00:11:51
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about ready to kill Harry because he's like how dare you Potter like use a spell against me but then realizes the situation is a lot more threatening and immediately goes into protective mode which is um which is definitely movies goers kind of like number one go to scene of oh actually Snape does care about people he's not as bad as people think because you protectively Put yourself in front of others in harm's way kind of scenario as this giant werewolf is bounding towards you um but It it's interesting to note that that is a thing that they would put into perspective When it's it doesn't necessarily add too much to the story I feel like like that
00:12:47
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That was a change that they made. And the change didn't bring... It it didn't bring anything except for maybe a little character growth for for Snape. It didn't necessarily stop anything from happening. It didn't stop anything from ah growing into something.
Lupin's Transformation: Visuals and Lore
00:13:07
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like it It didn't add anything. It didn't take away anything. You get what I'm saying? I guess I don't know. Sometimes I'm rambling.
00:13:15
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um But it just feels like a it it added no context to the overall overall thing. And I feel like some of the points that you Saturday are are bringing to the table in your little lightning round is that it doesn't it doesn't add anything. There isn't anything coming out of those changes. Like you would expect those changes to do. And so having Snape, having protective Snape come along, verse, it just doesn't change anything. And so it really is kind of just one of those pointless changes. And like it does well for the character in the movie because it's adding some stuff for the movie, but it's not, it
00:14:08
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It's not adding anything else to that. right And it's not adding to the narrative. It's not taking away from the narrative. And I think there's a lot of stuff to that. You're serious. You're, you're thinking about Sirius knowing that he didn't take his potion. If he, if Snape had said you didn't take your potion tonight in the Shrieking Shack, I would have believed that when Sirius said that, uh, afterwards, but because Snape didn't say that like he did in the book.
00:14:37
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It doesn't make sense, or but it still doesn't add anything or take away anything from the fact. And so it was just another additional thing. doesn't necessarily need to be there. and so Even if Snape did say that though, there's so like he doesn't explain what the potion is. He's just like, I saw you on the map. I was bringing you your potion. But Sirius doesn't know what potion that is. And like also, there's so many emotions going on that that might not even register. You know what I mean? so Well, actually, I think he would know that what that potion is because when
00:15:11
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No, never mind. I don't think it was invented. Right. Yeah. no And I think Snape is like one of the people that can like do it because he's a potion master and it's such a hard potion to brew. So I really don't think that Sirius would know about this potion and and let her alone like that's a good battle comprehend that's what's happening for him to then be like,
00:15:39
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And then also he didn't even say, you didn't take your potion. He said, have you taken your potion? So even if Snape has mentioned it, he said, I came to give you your potion. So clearly he hasn't taken it.
00:15:50
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Yep. Okay. No, you're right. Big plot hole. Doesn't add anything. Does it really take anything away? But at the same time, like it's kind of pointless. Yeah. it it It just adds dramatics, you know, like a sense of urgency, but I think turning into a werewolf is urgent enough. No, I think, and that's, I think the biggest difference between the book and the film was Lupin transforming. Uh, in the book, it was very quick.
00:16:20
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I mean, he didn't he he didn't have like any convulsions or anything. it was He went rigid and then started transforming immediately like right on the spot. um Whereas in the movie, it took a little bit of time. ah There was you know people freaking out and some planning involved, ah that kind of stuff.
00:16:43
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but I will say, thinking as I was um reading the chapter to refresh myself for this episode, um and then thinking about the comparison between like what I imagined when I initially read it, you know the world's building that I had done in my head, what the characters look like and stuff, and then seeing how Lupin the werewolf was portrayed in the film. I remember when I saw the film and I'm like, what is that? like That's not a werewolf. but
00:17:16
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As I was rereading it today, it made me think I actually don't know very much about like werewolf lore in the the throughout the world. And so I feel like I have not done any research into this, but I'm wondering if that is actually like an accurate depiction of what a werewolf looks like. Just not what we see. I don't know if it's like different countries have different, um you know what I mean? Just like how dragons have shown up like in so many cultures throughout history and they all like have something different. Yeah, and so I'm wondering if, to to defend the movie, which I rarely do, if they were going off of, you know, a certain lore of what werewolves look like. All right.
00:18:06
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I will say in the movies ah in the movie's defense, they did do a lot of hard work bringing the werewolf to life. I have watched some of the special features on how they how they did the werewolf and it took a lot of effort and it took a lot of skill. And then I believe there was one section where JK Rowling was like um kind of happy and excited with what they did for the werewolf. So i I believe the comment she made was that she Um, hadn't envisioned it that way before, but was impressed with how, with the outcome, I guess it to put, to cram all her words into like one sentence. Um, cause it was like an interview type thing and I don't have it off the top of my head, but, um,
00:18:58
Speaker
a lot of practical effects and CGI were put into, uh, put into use to bring the world to life. So. just like they have for Buckbeak and other things that they did for this movie. They used a combination of the two things and made an interesting if not pretty good outcome. um Definitely not what I have ever imagined were it will still look like and probably will never ever imagine where it will still look like.
00:19:31
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but For the effect of the movie, it still kind of holds a little bit realistic. I can kind of see where they were going. It felt like it was a demorfed human into a more wolf-like creature. So it was like taking a human and stretching it out into like wolf characteristics, which I felt was kind of creepy, ah but interesting at the same time ah to kind of go with that path.
00:20:04
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ah Suffice it to say, the effort that went into going into making the werewolf was pretty what was pretty good for for the people that were working on it.
00:20:17
Speaker
Um, so I googled werewolves. Um, and, uh, first of all, I'm probably gonna have nightmares tonight. Uh, but second of all, there are a few depictions that resemble this version. Um, but most of the werewolf, um, and I did, I did an image search, um,
00:20:39
Speaker
um So there are there are a few that are like the very skinny bony um with like a wolf nose um but um There are very much more still the more of a full head of hair um and You know your normal wolfy face um And then of course, there's a few more that are just giant wolves um So like I do like right like I think like the Twilight series that was there word morf into a wolf yeah um and they're and they're giant but um
00:21:18
Speaker
I think I would prefer to see a more like wolf human hybrid like our normal ah depiction of a werewolf um with like the torn clothes you know I mean I don't I don't know that he has to have clothes but that kind of werewolf um style, if you will, as opposed to what this movie and plus like that doing it more of our normal werewolf style will differentiate the two series a little bit more as well. Oh, definitely. Anything else about this? ah This section before we move on? Does he even have a tail?
00:22:00
Speaker
A werewolf lupin? No. In the movie, he does not. i would i would like our werewolfloop and to have a tail and That's like one of the more deformed parts of the werewolf part is is that he has no tail.
00:22:12
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anyway that's all
00:22:16
Speaker
Anything else about this action? I do like um what you were saying about how it's more of a deformed human with wolf-like wolflike features. um like that make That does make me appreciate this design a little bit more, but um i I still, I stand by wanting and a more typical design for our werewolves. I agree. I appreciate what they were trying to accomplish.
00:22:47
Speaker
just would not go there again.
00:22:54
Speaker
It's not my preferred version of how werewolves be depicted. um is Especially when we get to characters like Fenera Greyback who kind of like accepts their more werewolfy features.
00:23:14
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on how that affects everything in going forward kind of scenario, but I i i liked what they were going and I liked what they did for the time. I do not think it needs to be repeated. Well, Lupin turns into a werewolf and everyone's freaking out.
00:23:35
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and Harry's just kind of mesmerized between Sirius and Lupin battling it out. Snape's passed out and Hermione screams to get Harry's attention as Pettigrew knocks out Ron, takes out Crookshanks, and transforms back into a rat to flee into the night to never be seen again right before Sirius is done sending Lupin back to the forest winning the battle of the dogs and coming back injured and Harry yelling at Sirius saying Peter escaped and Sirius running right after I assume Pettigrew to chase after Pettigrew because he didn't want him to escape which leads us to the lake at a later part of the story which automatically as I say that
00:24:35
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for
Character Development of Sirius Black and Peter Pettigrew
00:24:36
Speaker
moviegoers. That's not exactly what happened. ah You're probably going, that's that's what happened in the book. That is what happened in the book. Because that is not what happened in the movie. The movie ah kind of has Harry chasing after Sirius and Lupin. And then Lupin's about to take out Harry when there's a a little howl from the forest and Lupin runs away. And Sirius transforms back into a man.
00:25:05
Speaker
kind of woundedly hobbling down to the lake and Pettigrew is about to oh yeah sorry he skipped Pettigrew Pettigrew takes advantage of the chaos picks up the wand that was he was being held that Lupin was holding against him was about to curse Sirius and Lupin before Harry expelliarmus to the wand out and then he turns into he does this little like timothy's fall little like smile wiggles his hands as bi and transforms into a rat which i kind of like that's kind of i like that
00:25:41
Speaker
Timothy's acting there is just creepy and amazing. and i think I think he did a great job about it at it, at that choice that the director made him do. I think he did that fantastic, which is kind of the theme for this whole movie is what they all were asked to do. The actors and actresses did a fantastic job, but I would not have chosen that because for me,
00:26:07
Speaker
It made the the situation feel cheesy rather than ah real and serious. It felt yes it like it took me out of the the danger of the situation. Interesting. Good observation. I agree with you, Meeks. I mean, I'm not going to contend against it. I think those are good observations on your part. I sort of just liked it because It solidified Wormtail's character for me into being more Wormtail than Peter Pettigrew.
00:26:44
Speaker
uh... felt for me like in the beginning when they first discovered him he was being this like maraud like this facade character where he was babbling he was like help me please don't kill me don't send me to the dementors like somebody save me he was putting on this peter pedigrew-esque type character but in that moment during the chaos that facade disappears and the true character shows himself as he's about to curse his friends and he looks at them, smiles wickedly, and disappears into the night. And that to me solidified Pettigrew as not this bumbling character that betrayed his friends ah because he was scared. He betrayed his friends because he wanted
00:27:38
Speaker
he He wanted, he craved that power, which is a thing for Pettigrew is that he he's always following the person with the most power. And if you're following the power the person with the most power, you're going to be considered powerful yourself.
00:27:51
Speaker
i okay i I hear what you're saying about following whoever's in the most powerful, but he is a coward. He's always been a coward. He always will be a coward. And the books make that very, very clear. I mean, he trembles in fear of Voldemort. So to say that Wormtail is not fearful, I disagree with that because
00:28:19
Speaker
He never shows up until the one moment, which I think causes his death. If I'm and remembering correctly, he's never done a brave thing in his life. No, he definitely hasn't ever done a brave thing in his life. I have to go back and read number seven in order to figure out how that works. The death of Peter Pettigrew has always been very confusing for me, uh, for, for a book reading type scenario, but, um,
00:28:49
Speaker
Because I feel like there was way more into it than just being brave, but... Well, right. Cause Harry saves his life. So then he now owes Harry, but is that a magic thing? Like, can he physically not kill Harry in that moment? Or is he not killing Harry out of the love that he once had for James, you know, or, or is it a magic thing? Like, is it a redemption or is it? He physically can't because Harry spared him once.
00:29:21
Speaker
And I'm very interested to see how the show will portray that and answer. novel Definitely. I think that's definitely 10 years from now. That's definitely ah an interesting prospect. But I don't know. I feel like I feel like there was a ah deeper reason. And this is just kind of.
00:29:43
Speaker
jumping into character design that we don't necessarily need to discuss here right now. But like I feel like there was a deeper reason for Pettigrew to betray his friends than just being scared of Voldemort. I feel like there was more of a malicious intent ah because he was so close to the three of them. And then just out of nowhere, <unk> like betrays their trust for a long period of time. Like he had been the trait like he had been the mole for over a year before he turned the potters over to Voldemort. Well, and I don't, um, I don't think that it's like an all of a sudden switch, you know, I think, like you said, he's been working with him for a year. And I think it goes back to what you said about how he's following the person that has the most power. And when they were in school, that serious and Jameson Lupin, but then as Voldemort becomes more and more of a threat, that's when he's like, I've got to jump ship and go be
00:30:43
Speaker
on this guy's side because this guy is gonna win and I need to be on the winning side so that's you know when he you know and I still don't think it's about power though I think it's about saving his own butt I mean it definitely I power was just one of the things that came to my mind so it probably wouldn't be just that but I was just trying to like kind of reason into the idea that there's more to... there's more to Peter than just the the bumbling idiot he portrays. I feel like there's a deeper, more... what's the word I'm looking for? i There's definitely a deeper side to him than than means to the eyes that I feel like
00:31:34
Speaker
needs to be explored for sure. ah Not in this this series, but maybe in the Marauder series, that would be fun to kind of maybe delve deeper into this character. But I feel like there's just more to him than meets the eye. And Timothy Spall brought a little bit of that to me in the movie, and I liked that. So that's what I'm necessarily referring to. It'll be interesting to see how the show you know, kind of dives into his background and and how will they portray him because I think there's something there for sure. um And I think we're kind of merging. I think we're we're getting there together. But yeah, well, and I definitely go ahead.
00:32:19
Speaker
I was gonna say it ah so much of the analysis that we do since we are going chapter by chapter is like a lot of, you know, filler stuff that's important um to keep in for world's building but it's still not like, you know, it's not a big climax moment like what we have going on right now.
00:32:38
Speaker
um in this chapter or I mean you could argue that that's happening in this chapter and so anyways this is when it's like this is going to be really interesting to see how the tv show portrays these characters and these moments because it is a lot more than just like um hairy slapping versus punching Malfoy in that one scene even though we want things to be as accurate as possible like these are the things that are really really big um I mean obviously the chapter's like 10 pages but they actually included all of it in the film and like and added
00:33:15
Speaker
Well, needed more support yeah. And so like this was obviously a big um they knew going into the film that this was going to be a big moment in the film. So they made sure to include more of it. Whereas we have chapters that are 40 pages that they have basically completely removed from the film. So anyways, I'm just really excited to see how like now we're getting to the end of the story or almost to the end. So it's going to be really interesting to see how they handle All of these details like down to Pettigrew Wiggling his little fingers because that it does make a difference those choices particularly in these big moments all right, let's move on to the Lake scene and so Moviegoers, this is kind of this how the book goes Harry hears Sirius in trouble runs after him Because that is what Harry does
00:34:11
Speaker
and Hermione in the heat of the moment kind of just runs after him as well and they're both running over to the lake and here they find Sirius kneeling on the ground, pleading for his life ah to the Dementors who are probably never ever going to listen ever in the slightest moment um
00:34:35
Speaker
And Harry kind of immediately takes into this into the scene, knows what's about to happen, and kind of just goes straight into protective mode, immediately starts telling Hermione how to think of think about happy thoughts, and starts saying the spell that's not working, Sirius passes out, Hermione passes out, Harry's frantically trying to just fight these dementors off, fight the feelings of despair,
00:35:03
Speaker
uh the Dementor begins to suck out his soul and then we see a faint glow of silver white light and all the Dementors are gone and Harry sees a figure before he passes out as well.
Dementor Scene Comparison
00:35:21
Speaker
Which is much better than what they did in the former.
00:35:27
Speaker
Immediately kind of just throwing it out there um I think the movie didn't do enough justice for the Dementor scene. I think it could have been worse. Yep. I think, yeah, I agree. and So much of this movie, um because they were going for like theatrics and goofiness really, um it just takes away from the intensity. And this this is when things like start to get real. I mean, you obviously, in The Sorcerer's Stone, it's a pretty big deal way. Harry has to go through at the end. But still, this is like,
00:36:07
Speaker
There definitely is a shift in this book for things getting more and more serious, no pun intended, and the movie because it's just trying to like take really big swings and be like really out there and do like all this creative stuff like, I don't know, add Jamaican drunken heads.
00:36:27
Speaker
um It just like really takes away from the scary stuff. And so then yeah, when it's like time for the Dementors, it's like we haven't, there's been nothing that has led us to this point where we feel like the Dementors are as serious as they are.
00:36:42
Speaker
And something that else that always brings me out of this scene is, um I don't know if it's a continuity error or if this is what the director really wanted it, but um you see Sirius kind of wake up and then freak out because he sees a dementor and then Harry looks up but the camera angle switches to a zoom in on Sirius' face, he wakes up and screams and then it pops up to see Harry and Sirius and Harry look up and Sirius is now um Passed out again. And so it's like he literally woke up saw the mentor and passed out It just seems very choppy and weird and it always takes me out because I to me I thought it was a continuity error um So, yeah, I think this whole scene is just
00:37:32
Speaker
It doesn't, it it just doesn't land. And like Meek said, doesn't give you that um sense of fear. No, like, so when I was reading it, I just realized like that there's just like the the sense of fear is missing, but I go just the the intensity of Harry's emotions are at peak moment here. He's He's feeling like he's about to lose the one thing that's given him a happy feeling this entire time And like he immediately uses that as his happy thought he's gonna live with the serious. He's gonna leave the Dursleys He's gonna live a serious. He's gonna leave the Dursleys. He's like That's his most happiest. He's ever been in a while was thinking that he was a
00:38:19
Speaker
gonna have a semblance of a normal life and um it's being taken away from him right in front of him and that's part of part of the desperation he's having as he's fighting the Dementors off. And not only that, he's he's got Hermione behind him and he's he's aware that she's there and he's probably trying to protect her as well as himself, but also protect Sirius. And it's just a lot on a 13-year-old kid's shoulders. But in the movie, it just, it's a very,
00:38:59
Speaker
dramatic theatrical entrance of the Dementors that in the end doesn't feel like it's the end of the world. It just doesn't, it it feels like it's at the edge and they could have maybe pushed it a little bit more and they could have made it a little bit more intense, but before it even had a chance to get there is when they have the Patronus come in and save them.
00:39:28
Speaker
And it wasn't even really the Patronus, it was like a way giant silver bubble wave of of light pulsating into the lake. um So I feel like for for a movie that was really focused on bringing in the dark elements of the Harry Potter universe, it did not land hit the landing in the end.
00:40:00
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think any part of this adaptation did, to be honest. And so, yeah, I think that's my biggest thing is that is that they wanted it to be a darker film, and they put in darker elements. But when it came to sticking the landing at probably the darkest portion of the film, it did not stick the landing. They they retreat. It's like killing off Chewbacca and deciding he was actually not dead in the first place.
00:40:40
Speaker
At first Star Wars fans, that's a reference to episode nine. So two we we all thought Chewbacca died. But in reality, the movie was like, nope, just kidding.
00:40:51
Speaker
So I feel like that's the same way. It was setting us up for a very dark, intense movie, and in some portions it was, and and it definitely scared me when I was younger, but in the end ah there was nothing scary about the scene.
00:41:08
Speaker
I don't know that it even scared me when I was younger. I can't remember, but I definitely do hope that the, you know, being on the HBO platform, we've talked in the past that it has the opportunity to be a more mature telling of the story. So hopefully it can be a little bit more frightening. and I would welcome it to be a little bit more frightening. Yeah, for sure.
00:41:35
Speaker
especially with how intense this chapter was when I was reading it today. Anyways, anything else to say about this lovely section of the film?
Emotional Impact of Harry Potter Series
00:41:45
Speaker
Oh, it just felt it was just flat, which is crazy because it's like somebody's getting their soul sucked out of them. And then Harry is like trying to figure out how to use a patronus for the first time for a real situation. Like we've seen him have classes, but he's never really truly been in a situation where like somebody that he loves and himself like are actually about to die. And he has to use a patronus. And then it just feels like
00:42:12
Speaker
It's like they checked the boxes to like get through the scene to have all of the elements, but it doesn't feel like they actually um came through with the the real feelings of what was going on. Yeah, agreed. And that's where it ends.
00:42:33
Speaker
Harry is passed out and we move on to the next chapter, so if you want to know more listeners, just listen to our next episodes as we get into that. But, like always, we end our episodes with a peace, peeve of peace, pleasure, and a weasely salute.
00:42:54
Speaker
Where we talk about something we hated about the adaptation. We talk about something we liked about the adaptation. Hate is an awfully strong word. But did I hate this stock adaptation? Maybe. Except when it's about shrunken heads. That I feel like is appropriately hated. Yes, yes. Okay. Something we disliked about the film.
00:43:16
Speaker
uh this adaptation and then Weasley salute is what we appreciate overall about the story this section of the story whether it's from the book the film uh anything that kind of just blew our socks off and was we were just like there you go we like that we just have to acknowledge it in the Weasley movie in the Weasley way uh Sarah Day yeah will you start us off with your peeves pleasure Oh, peace, pleasure. um You know, I really did like not necessarily the patronus scene, but I like the way they portrayed the patronus and I appreciated the music that they used. So it was a nice visual and it was a great. It was a great um musical track. What's it called? Score. Gosh. Yes. So yes, the score with the effects of the patronus worked really well, but that was about it.
00:44:15
Speaker
I definitely think one of our common room chats needs to be about John Williams' is score throughout the first three films and how how it kind of created the world of Harry Potter. yeah I feel like we don't talk about him enough. We always mention him. We just never have enough time to talk about him.
00:44:37
Speaker
And I feel like he made he was a very big contributor to the building of the world and how people enjoy Harry Potter today. So I think i think we should write that down as one of our future commentary chats. Cool. Meegs, your piece, Pleasure.
00:44:56
Speaker
um since yeah i do I do think that even though I don't particularly care for the way that the werewolf looks, because that's not what I was expecting, I do you think that the CGI was good. you know like it it for its time, especially, I was like, I remember watching it and I was like, that doesn't look like a werewolf. But I mean, they did a they obviously did a lot of work um to make that look as realistic as possible. So I think that that was great. And also.
00:45:29
Speaker
um ah Oh, my God, ah we have I have said I forget his name every single time I've said that. And probably every episode looping whoever plays looping David Thewlis.
00:45:41
Speaker
Yes. His acting, when like the um when they like look at the moon and then it like zooms into zooms out to his eye or whatever, like that choice to like have the moon be like a part of him. And then he like you know has his head kind of tilted to the side and he's like clearly going through something like,
00:46:02
Speaker
That, I have goosebumps even thinking about it. Like that part was awesome. And he did such a good job. And I do think that that was a good choice. Like what they had him do and the way that they like filmed that scene, I think was really, really, really great. So I guess the werewolf with my issues, even the werewolf scene probably is my pleasure.
00:46:29
Speaker
No, I like that. That's great. that That scene definitely gives me the chills every time I see it. His mouth is just agape in such a weird way. Shiver is even thinking about it. My peeve's pleasure is something we didn't get a chance to talk about, but I just feel like I feel like we'll get a chance to talk about in the next next two episodes when we analyze the last two chapters. Harry and Sirius' conversation right before all of this and happens. In the book it happens on the on on their way to the castle but they get a nice little break in the movie and the movie kind of gives them time to breathe and kind of lets that little firefly of hope kind of come out which I really love and you get to see Harry kind of just
00:47:20
Speaker
kind of pieces together going like, I can live with you. Like, that'd be great. And it's just like seeing Sirius get so excited. Gary Oldman does a really good job of just bringing out the cautious of like, hey, you can come live with me if you want. I mean, if you don't want to, you that's totally okay. But if you want, like you can. And then like, Harry's totally like, yeah, I'm gonna do that. And just like him getting all like, Sirius is getting all giddy is just like,
00:47:49
Speaker
like having his old pal back again and just thinking about the fact that that is Harry's first time of getting excited to be in a normal life but that it's also Sirius' first time he's ever been happy since he has been in Azkaban. Kind of just doubles the the amazing part of it and I feel like both the movie and the book portrayed those really well and it just is part is one of the happier moments i feel like in the film and if the film ended right there i'd be happy but it doesn't and that's why it's sad sometimes that i have to get pulled back into reality and realize that that doesn't get to be get to be played out but hopefully in an alternate universe harry's happy with serious i don't know
00:48:39
Speaker
I do agree that it was hard to choose between what I ended up choosing and that moment, like just the happiness that Harry felt and like him having that conversation for the first time, like so heartwarming and then so heartbreaking. um So I really I did really like that. That'd be a nice what if episode. What if Sirius actually got exonerated and went to live with him? Seriously, how would that play out?
00:49:09
Speaker
uh peeves peeves what ah sarah day what is something that peeved you today yeah which one do you want me to pick I was about to say you did a little lightning round about negative stuff. Yeah. Yeah. um I think what made me the most upset overall is the set design and um you know just the continuity of it all. So again, just hoping that the show really sticks to some solid continuity with having consistent show runners and producers.
00:49:46
Speaker
what This is probably the first time that any of us have said set design because that's usually we can always fall back on set design and music. so um My peeve I think was like the goofiness that they added in.
00:50:05
Speaker
Just because which he wasn't I don't think that David Yates, right? That's the director Alfonso cor al fromzo um He um I don't think he was intending necessarily to always be goofy but um that's the word that I would use because to me it came off as goofy and because of the gravity of what was supposed to be going on. And then it just, the decisions that were made just took me out of it. So I think I'm gonna have to land somewhere similar to Sarah Day's, because I feel like the lake that they were at was obviously the boat the the the Black Lake. Is it called the Black Lake?
00:50:59
Speaker
The lake where the giant squid resides. Oh, my God, why am I blinking? I feel like it's called it's either called the Black Lake or it's the Great Lake or whatever. But are we all blinking? That's so funny. It's the Great Lake, alternatively known as the Black Lake. That's why both of those sounded right. Yeah, there we go. but It's the one that houses the giant squid and it's literally right next to Hogwarts. Like it you didn't have to put a random lake in the random forest. The lake constantly moves, I'm pretty sure, in the films. And Hagrid's hut constantly moves everything. Ugh, just don't get me started. So I agree that it's just it feels a little weird to kind of just take that intense moment where it's where they run into the forest and it's like how is anybody supposed to find you there like after you're passed out? Like it makes sense why Snape found them in the book because
00:51:59
Speaker
it's probably like a good 50 feet away from where he was where where he woke up but in in the forest they they probably ran for maybe 10 minutes to get that far into the forest to find this random lake that Sirius decided to pass out at and then the Dementors chose to come there like it just It felt so out of place and I wouldn't even call that the Black Lake. like it just didn't It just felt like a random lake in the forest. yeah It just irks me. It just irks me. That's all I can say. yeah
00:52:43
Speaker
Which leads us to our... positive so you know positive negative positive nice little compliment sandwich to the movie our Weasley salute I think I'm gonna have to go with David what is it through through throughs I'm probably ever, I'm always butchering his last name, but it's like through list. Well, Lupin acting like it makes you mentioned it in your peeps pleasure. I think that he um did really good with his transition and um yeah. So I'm going to give it to him tonight.
00:53:26
Speaker
Um, I mean, that's obviously a really good one, but I did already choose that so I can't have it for both. Um, I think, I think Daniel Radcliffe's expect his iconic expecto patronum screaming. Cause that's one of those, like, you know, that that was just like, the best acting ever especially at that age and like the fact that he got to just scream like that you know like it probably it was probably so fun to act that scene out um and i i mean he did a great job like it's you know we haven't really seen him yell like that other than well in Sorcerer's Stone when the like during the chess or uh
00:54:08
Speaker
after they get through the chest step when he's facing Quirrell and he's like give me the stone and he's like never and that's like memed everywhere and stuff um i feel like that was like that was cute that he got to yell like that but i mean really he doesn't harry doesn't like yell all that much because that's not really necessary for his character So like getting to see him scream, even though it was a little bit of an eye roll when I first saw it, because that's not necessarily how it goes, or that's not like the feeling that I get in the book, that he has this really powerful expecto patronum. But um I still think that he acted that really well, and I like how it's like kind of become iconic and carried on through through the years.
00:54:54
Speaker
I mean, as a kid, when I was playing Harry Potter imagination games in my head, I would always just grab a stick and I would just go, expecto Patronum, and just like as loud as I could outside. At the time I lived just kind of like in the middle of nowhere, so nobody could hear you. So you could just be as loud as you wanted. And so I i literally got to do that all the time. And it was It was fun. and it just It just was one of those fun little things that was brought to life from the movie. and So yeah, I agree. That's a good part for sure.
00:55:29
Speaker
The iconic one is in the next chapter, though, right? When he actually gets the stag. Oh, whoops. I thought I was in this one. um He does shout it, but I think the iconic one where he's laying his book, Dopra Trona. Yeah, you're right. Like from the trailers and everything is when he is time traveling and and and gets the stag. But he still does have a much more powerful yeah spell casting in this than I think he does in the books.
00:55:59
Speaker
okay well sorry everyone even the iconic yell i think is a little dramatic but yeah so good okay me is just reading ahead well i was no i was like thinking or watching it like i had watched ahead and so i forgot that that was the other one the other the other time he does the expecto, but I don't know, maybe I don't. I think every time he does it like yeah during the class scene, during this scene, during the stag scene, like he he's always putting so much effort into the spell. So I think that would still apply to this one. Right. It's like it's the
00:56:36
Speaker
way you say it has an impact on the magic or not like I think I'm so I think the words you say if you mispronounce the word obviously but I don't think if you shout a spell does it have more maybe this could be another common room chat like how much energy you put into verbalizing the spell because you can do nonverbal magic. And Moody talks about how like you have to mean it with the unforgivable curses. Not necessarily screaming it with the intention. do yeah sometimes
00:57:13
Speaker
My Weasley salute is going to have to go towards just the sheer desperation Harry's feeling in the chapter.
00:57:26
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um
00:57:29
Speaker
It was so good that I just continued reading. I am actually like before I popped on here I'm on like the last three pages of the book because I couldn't stop reading it. So ah this it just um it just builds the momentum so well.
00:57:49
Speaker
and it creates a very interesting and dynamic climax and the stakes are high and then all of a sudden you feel like how are you gonna get out of this one and then just Dumbledore comes in and gives like an opportunity for them and then just you ride that entire feeling into the very end and you kind of get a little happy ending which like well we'll expound on that but The biggest moment for that for all of that momentum to like make the ending last and make the ending really good is that sheer desperation Harry's feeling at the very end. And Rowling did a very good job of
00:58:36
Speaker
making vocalizing Harry's need to save Sirius and Harry's hope kind of feeling diminished at the same time because the presence of the Dementors is doing its job and kind of sucking that hope away from him and he's but he's fighting it to the very bitter end and he's you know he's doing such a humongous feat fighting off hundreds of Dementors till to kind of just save this one happy moment that he
00:59:18
Speaker
that he felt for himself and that which is not just a happy moment but like the rest of his life he he felt like this was gonna be the rest of his life and that the rest of his life was gonna have a happy future and a happy things to look forward to and fun things to to experience and somebody who got who knew his parents who would be able to tell them to tell him stories and and just
00:59:49
Speaker
There's so much going on in my head because of this chapter that it's hard to go and say that there are other stories that make me feel this way sometimes. And I think that's the impressive part is that I get so caught up in what's going on.
01:00:16
Speaker
I just can't feel like I can replicate that with some stories. Some stories just don't hit the same because I just don't get that that feeling that I get when I'm reading Harry Potter. Or even just watching it. I don't get that feeling when I watch the film either. like I get portions of it and that's great, but I don't get this cut up.
01:00:39
Speaker
with it when I watch it versus when I'm reading it. And the only thing that excites me about the new Harry Potter TV show is the potential opportunity to feel what I'm feeling while I'm watching the show versus reading the show. Do I think that the book will be as be out shined by the TV show? Probably not.
01:01:04
Speaker
um But I do want to feel certain things that I feel constantly by reading the book that it wants to make me watch the movies. I mean, watch the TV show. I like to go back and rewatch it and rewatch it over and over and over again like I do with rereading the books. I laugh at my wife all the time because she watches this anime called Fruits Basket.
01:01:30
Speaker
And she has probably seen it over 20 times this year. um But she just rewatches it, rewatches it, and there's something about it that she loves. And I kind of just make fun of her for it. And I'm just like, why do you do this? You've like seen it like 20 times. You just like know the story in and out. Like why do you keep doing it? And now I can probably honestly say that that's probably why is just she gets so caught up in it and all the emotions that it brings. And this is kind of the same thing. So I'm surprised you didn't already feel that way about Harry Potter. I mean, just like for me sitting down and reading the um
01:02:08
Speaker
the very short book chapter that this is like I was emotional um and like swept up in the world just with you know within the first few paragraphs of reading and I feel like every time I sit down and read Harry Potter I get that same that same feeling and then the movies yeah it's different because duh but when they do emotionally hit in a good way like it's no matter how many times I've seen the movie I can yeah Marvel's the same way for me too. like yeah I was just about to say because I actually just finished watching Endgame today and I'm like I want to go back and watch Infinity Ward and the game again because I'm like the emotional roller coaster that I just went on. That's how I feel too every time I rewatch them.
01:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, um but yeah, the books, you know, um i've so I've mentioned before that I listen to the books to go to sleep, and I think it's because of what Harry Potter, like those, um like the, hat not that a Harry Potter is a very happy tale,
01:03:08
Speaker
But it's cozy. um And I think that that helps me go to bed at night. The movies don't do the same thing. Like, I don't watch the films when I'm feeling down. I will watch Marvel or I will listen to the books. So, um yes, the show definitely has the potential to be that rewatchable, feel good thing for us, hopefully.
01:03:35
Speaker
I wanna go back and rewatch the season of season one of Harry Potter. over and over and over and over again, like a little kid, I don't know. Well, yeah, I think it's definitely gonna be, even though we know the story inside and out, I think it's definitely gonna be something that we watch, okay? um Like Stranger Things, I just re-watched all the Stranger Things seasons in preparation for season five coming out. So it's definitely gonna be something that we're gonna watch season one when it's live. And then as season two is getting ready to come out, I'll re-watch season one and then season three, I'll re-watch season one and two.
01:04:07
Speaker
So on and so forth. I mean, that's what I'm hoping for. Fingers crossed. No, I feel like the it's just recently popping up again for me because it's been so long since I've touched with books. A lot of stuff has happened within the last four or five years. I just haven't had the opportunity to go back and read them. And so it's kind of just discovering them again for the first time.
01:04:32
Speaker
I've always known it. It's kind of hard to forget Harry Potter, but just going back and rereading them like this chapter by chapter and kind of just letting it all sink in has just brought back a bunch of new feelings and a bunch of old feelings that I just, um, that I get excited about. So that's probably why I haven't touched these books in a while. So this has been fun for sure. And with that, we are going to end our lovely tale by saying thank you for causing havoc with us today. Next time, we will just discuss Hermione's secret.
01:05:14
Speaker
What could be? Chapter 21, Hermione's Secret, one hour, 45 minutes and 38 seconds to two hours and five minutes and two seconds. That is a whole 20 minutes of the film. Probably... I hope I didn't mess that up. ah Probably the biggest portion of that. if i hope I hope you didn't mess that up either because like that would be a huge chunk.
01:05:40
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um
01:05:43
Speaker
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01:07:52
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01:08:07
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Yeah, I do think that, um, I would be surprised if they made Lupin. Excuse me. I would be. Okay. Nevermind. Cut this out. yeah That's how they get my throat.