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The Potterkid of Azkaban Returns
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Today, we are analyzing [_Chapter 22: Owl Post Again | 2:05:02 - end with special guest PotterKidReads ].
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Introduction to Peeves Gap Fest
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Welcome to Peeves Gap Fest, where sometimes we host a chapter by chapter page to screen analysis of the Harry Potter series, and sometimes we just have a common room chat. I'm James. I'm Beigs.
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And I'm Sarah Day. And today we are analyzing the last chapter of prisoner of Azkaban chapter 22, owl post again, which is two hours and five minutes and two seconds of the film to the end of the film with a special guest Potter kids, kid reads. Hello.
Potter Kid Reads Joins the Discussion
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Hello. It's good to be back.
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Ooh, full circle. We started with you at the beginning of this ah book and now we're ending with the book. Yeah, so good it's a good one to do the page of screen analysis of because it's really interesting what they changed. I think we're going to have a good discussion tonight. i think so Interesting is as a word for this. Interesting is a word for this. and I think it's the right word for this because it's almost like I feel like for me personally, it's so hard to like compare the two of them because they're almost so different, but also the same at the same time. Definitely.
Spoiler Alert and Sponsor Message
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Well, before we start gabbing today, folks, we wanted to give a spoiler warning. Like always, we will be using our vast knowledge of the wizarding world to compare the page to the screen, and we will gab about moments that happen later in the books or films. So you've been warned, Icklefirsties.
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Welcome back listeners! Do we have a chapter to discuss with you? But before we get there, Potter Kid Reads, how are you doing? What's been up?
Final Chapter of 'Prisoner of Azkaban' Analysis
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I'm doing good, I'm doing good. It's been quite a hectic past couple weeks. I got to, I got invited out to go see the opening of Cursed Child in Chicago, which was absolutely awesome. It was crazy. I'm someone who is very critical of Um, the story of Cursed Child. I was going to ask you what your thoughts are of this, like the screenplay before you went and saw it. I going to be honest, I never finished it because I hated it so much. But I think that even if you're in the same boat as me with that, you should still try and find an excuse to go see it just because of the craziness that is the effects that they do in it. Like I'm someone who's kind of like a theater tech nerd.
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And I could not work out some of the things that they were doing in that play it literally blew my mind some of the stuff that they did. And I still like after obsessing over it for however long it's been since I watched the show just cannot figure it out. And it is the coolest, coolest live show that I've ever been to just because of the like,
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spectacle that it is. It's like, yeah, sure, the story doesn't really make any sense. But if the people who are telling the story are passionate about the story, then it makes you invested in it no matter what. And that kind of allows you to be trapped by just how wild the entire thing is.
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That is awesome. I have heard that seeing it is just a completely different experience than reading it, and it really makes up for it. It's true. That is true. I would be good to see how I feel if I ever see it, but I don't really plan to. If you get a chance, you should. It's genuinely
Harry's Connection to Sirius Black
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wild.
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It is if I have the opportunity I will do it and then we can we can have a whole episode on the comparisons Yeah, yeah all right, so Well kind of taking us to where uh where we're gonna go with here is uh Serious black is free, but nobody else knows it We kind of just have a a situation where it's the end of the year and we're all getting ready to kind of like have the chapter get to end and we don't know where the story is going to go and there's mixed feelings and all this other stuff. So how do you guys feel about the culmination of what this chapter is teaching us? I like it because it leaves things so open for the next story.
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And so even though it's really sad, of course, that Harry doesn't have his godfather, it's like such a great way to be the middle of the series and, you know, just like bust the door wide open for everything left to come.
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And I did also want to mention that when I was reading it earlier, we talked a lot in the last chapter about how really sad this all was and how he was almost given this amazing life with Sirius and Lubin would be around a lot too, and then it's ripped away from him. But when serious is like there's something else for you in this package that might help you next year harry gets so excited and then it's the signed permission form him so it's a a small glimmer of hope. That everything can work out i mean we know it won't but it's still nice that he is still able to give harry. That relationship even though it's a long distance one.
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Yeah,
Snape's Portrayal: Book vs. Movie
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I really liked that. I loved the whole scene, like at the end with them on the train and Pigwijen flying in the window. That was just amazing to me. Yeah, it would be nice if I could see that, wouldn't it? I know. It would be it would be great if we had some kind of visual adaptation of this book series that would would help us be able to actually see what's happening.
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But before we get too far into that, let's let's pull back and kind of know that this is a chapter begins with us not necessarily in the um hospital wing yet they're they have about 10 minutes before they've seen serious fly away they have to rush all over back there they're listening to fudge in Snape talking about the kiss being performed immediately they run in they run at into Dumbledore he says this is done they get back in ah No one's the wiser, they're back in their beds, the door's locked, Snape comes barging in and it's just like, it's totally Potter! Which you know, Snape has his reasons to believe that Harry Potter can just get away with anything and this is probably one of them. yeah but He has a very good intuition when it comes to Harry messing around with stuff, but unfortunately Dumbledore's really petty and so that never really goes this way.
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No, Snape definitely leaves a lasting reaction on fudge and ends up not getting the the the whole like second order of Merlin type thing that they were giving him that they were going to say they give him before. Which I know he's super good bitter about. Oh, definitely. Snape definitely holds a grudge.
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That's like this entire character is just holding a grudge. We definitely don't see that in the movie. like they I think in the movie it's just Harry and Hermione running in and then Ron's like, how did you do that? And they were like, two people, you can't be in two places at once and it ends there, right? I know.
Lupin and Dumbledore's Impact on Harry
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They skipped over that entire scene. This chapter, I feel like,
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like in the movies it made Snape look way better than he does in the books because it leaves out him screaming it leaves out him like being angry about losing the Order of Merlin and he it also leaves out Dumbledore having to directly intervene with Harry's grade in Snape's class because he's trying to intentionally fail him
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Isaac, we talk at length on this podcast about the way the movies portrayed movie Snape. I know. It's because of Alan Rickman so much. Yes. It's because of Alan Rickman. um And he's so great. And you can't you just can't hate Alan Rickman. um But the fandom is very divided on like Snape as a whole, and if he's good or bad or you know gray.
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um And a lot of it has to do with the fact that the movies completely changed that character. And this is a great example of that. Interesting. Anybody else have anything to say about this section before we move on to the next one? I think I'm good.
00:14:29
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Awesome. So the next section of the story is kind of like a nice little montage. My wife kind of put it in my head that we'd like to say montage and I realized we haven't said montage in a while. We haven't talked about it in a while. I know. We've been like three episodes. I'm like, wow, we haven't talked about montages in a while, have we? But she put it back in my head and I was like, well, this chapter is a good opportunity for a nice little montage of Harry kind of just wrestling with his feelings, students kind of enjoying the summer, the the end of the year, no finals being done. Well, first he talks to Lupin, like Lupin quits, right? Did we talk about that? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Montage happens first, and then he finds out Lupin's leaving and and goes to talk to Lupin. It's how i would I would think that that would be best suited.
00:15:25
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Well, I like that the ramifications of him turning into a werewolf is like the next morning and he's going to quit because Snape can't keep his mouth shut. And then there's like a montage of the last few days of Hogwarts before they board the train.
00:15:42
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I was thinking more of like a montage. Maybe like like it doesn't have to be an entire like days don't have to pass. But like I just don't like little montage of his hairy kind of grappling with his feelings. And then he snapped back into reality. Lupin's leaving like and then goes up and runs up to Lupin. That's how I was seeing it, at least in my head. But yeah, like you could end like with the when he has the interaction with Hagrid and Hagrid's like, no, he's leaving. He's like, what?
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but he doesn't even interact with Hagrid in the movie in this chapter at all. This chapter's adaptation is very embedded. They skip over some details that are just a little bit important. yeah One of, not to mention, like i mean this is a little bit you know later after, but the in the book Dumbledore shows up like in Lupin's office and is talking to them.
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and then Lupin leaves and Harry and Dumbledore talk for a while but that just like doesn't happen in the movies and there's like a lot of foreshadowing in there and there is Dumbledore makes some um one really funny remarks about Trelawney. And he also talks a lot about like what he thinks is going to happen. And he like kind of makes an accurate prediction himself, which I thought was kind of fun. Oh yeah, my favorite line. Oh, she she she's made two accurate predictions, like two actual prophecies. I should give her a pay raise. yeah
00:17:23
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Yeah. And well, and that is interesting to think about how like how that is a lot of foreshadowing. And so it's important to keep yeah those details in the adaptation. Well, and again, you know ah we are oftentimes a broken record on this podcast, but with the show having all of the books out, they're going to know what those key points are. They're going to know now that that was a foreshadow.
Ancient Magic and Dumbledore's Knowledge
00:17:49
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They might not have when they were making the movies, that saying Trelawney has had these two predictions that came true um actually panned out to be a massive plot point.
00:18:05
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Understatement of the century. Yeah, i don't know I don't know if massive plot point is the right word for that. More of like story ending moment. But but um yeah, I think that The other thing that was really funny in that scene is Dumbledore or Harry saying like, well, Trelawney went like strange. She was acting really strange and Dumbledore goes, indeed. ah Stranger than usual, you mean? I thought that was really funny as well.
00:18:40
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Well, like I think it would be a disservice for the amount of time we spent on this book talking about it without mentioning the ah conversation between Harry and Lupin and how ah that's important. we we we We have in the last couple of chapters talked about the the importance of Harry's relationship with Sirius and we did go into that a little bit and how important that is.
00:19:03
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ah but we i if If I can say for all of us, I think we have learned to love Lupin a little bit more in this book, this go around as we've been rereading it than we probably ever have before. So seeing this scene, that which is in the movie, it does play out, though we do, it is probably more of a shortened conversation ah than it it is compared to in the book.
00:19:33
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Uh, but we do kind of get some pieces of what we would like, but it kind of just expands a little bit on. On now that we've kind of gone through this and we've appreciated Lupin a little bit more. I feel like we we can have an expectation for this scene to be a little bit more impactful going forward. Well, even still, I really liked this portion of the movie, um, because he.
00:20:01
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giving him the map and saying, you know, um I'm not your teacher anymore, so I don't feel bad about giving this back to you. Like, because now I'm technically your cool uncle, you know? Like, so I'm giving you this really cool gift.
00:20:15
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And like um yeah the other part was he said, I, I suspect I'll be seeing you around. So it's like, I know, like, you know who I am to you now. I, you know, this, this fact that I was your father's best friend um is out in the open now. So it's like, I can have a relationship with you in the future. And if I can, I will make it happen. So I do appreciate that they did keep this in the film. Yeah. One thing that I also noticed is they gave quite a significant amount of sense that, you know, cut Dumbledore essentially out of the scene between Harry and Lupin. They gave quite a few of Dumbledore's lines to Lupin for that scene, like the... Oh shoot, i'm for I'm forgetting exactly which one it was. Let me look at my notes.
00:21:12
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I can't... I don't remember what it was. There was there's a significant amount of them, though, that were given to Lupin. I also ah noticed that they cut Dumbledore's interaction with Harry and Hermione earlier a lot shorter. um And the like when they come back and they're like, Professor Dumbledore, we did it. And he just goes, did what? And then walks away. That is fully movieism. hey That hates that so much. It makes me so annoyed. Me too. Because it just feels like they're like, and then when Ron's like, you are just over there. You're over there. And then Hermione's asleep. And then Hermione's like, Ron, you know, it just feels like, to me, no offense to anybody who likes it, but it feels really cringy. Like they're trying
Book vs. Film Endings
00:22:06
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really hard to make it a comedy movie and adding that in when it's like, again,
00:22:11
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the book was already written. You had hero writing to do. The dialogue was all there. You did not need to add anything like that in. So um it it just feels like, well, typical for this movie, but not necessarily a choice that needed to be made. and your language would agree with these I feel like a good tagline for this movie is this choice should not have been made.
00:22:37
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and mainly about the shows Harry Potter and the choice that should not have been made. Yeah. That was Goblet of Fire. Um, Isaac, you have no idea throughout the past year of doing this podcast. I have been saying, I can't wait to get to the Goblet of fire because it's basically going to be a hate watch ah for me to do the next book. Um, because, and I actually just prepared the next few chapters for our podcast. And chapter one is in the movie chapters two, three, four, five are not.
00:23:16
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That's going to be a great series of podcasts. So um if that doesn't give you a preview to what book four is going to look like, not to mention two, at least two whole characters are completely cut from the book. ah um So yeah, you might get feisty Sarah Day in the next few months listeners.
00:23:40
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Now, the other thing that I do want to mention about that is I know that a big part of when they were starting pre-production on the fourth movie is they did a lot of, there's a huge debate whether they should split it into two or not. ah I always think they should have. I agree with you. But there was a massive debate about what that, like that held up production for like multiple months because they couldn't decide if they were going to or not, but they were ended up not doing it because it was like, because they like at that point, they're two part movies didn't really exist a lot. And so it would have been something like knew that they were trying and they were not sure if it was going to be successful or not. And I don't want to get I want to get too far off on the wrong track. But I just wanted to mention that because I feel like that's something that's really interesting to consider when you're looking at it. They know the mistake they made.
00:24:39
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Oh, I guarantee you they do. yeah But I feel like, I feel like that um when you're watching that movie, you have to think about kind of, if it could have been two different movies, then a lot of it that is so compressed would have been like decompressed by like an hour or two hours. And that would have
Film's Cinematic Strengths and Flaws
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fixed a lot of the issues.
00:25:08
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100%. 1000%. We could have included chapters 2, 3, 4, 5. A million percent. million percent. Speaking of numbers, one of my favorite transitions in this particular chapter, I absolutely love it so much, is when they like in the movie when Sirius flies off, first of all, awesome shot. I absolutely love that. um The transition where Harry and Hermione run into the castle and the camera swoops up and goes through the clock is so freaking cool. It is like
00:25:57
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hop to your transition shot and it just like goes to them being there. I think that's just really awesome. Yes, I can agree with you. That is some good cinema. If this movie has done anything like wait a say well, it's transitions, I think are spot on overall. Womping Willow transitions or peak. They're so funny. Well, and we talked a lot when you were on last time about the opening and how it was like the lightning and yeah. yeah So it is a good cinematic film, but as an adaptation, not so much. I feel like that's kind of a thing that comes up a lot in comparisons between the books and the movies is that whenever you think of the movies as not being Harry Potter, then they're good.
00:26:50
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But as soon as you think of it as being in the Harry Potter universe, you start getting annoyed with it because you notice all the little things that are wrong. True. So I always tell people like if they haven't read or watched any Harry Potter stuff before I'm telling them, you need to watch the movies first so you can like fully appreciate what they did, and then go and read the books, then you rewatch the movies and you figure out all things that you they did wrong and then you can get annoyed about it. But just give yourself at least give yourself one chance to actually thoroughly enjoy what they made. Because if you're looking strictly at cinema and
Book's Adaptation into Film
00:27:31
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strictly at like shot composition and the props and the effect design that they did, it is really, really, really cool.
00:27:41
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Yeah, we've talked a lot about that in the past few weeks when we've been covering this book. Bugbeak in particular, we had a big discussion on. Yes. So cool. And we've had a common room chat, I think, right, about Hagrid's mechanics. Yeah. You didn't learn about Hagrid's really. Those are really good mechanics and stuff. I've done a lot of random in-depth research about that kind of stuff.
00:28:06
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It's just, it's fun. So before we move past this section, I definitely want to touch on the conversation Dumbledore has with Harry about the connection he now has with Peter Pettigrew. Because Peter Pettigrew owes Harry his life and apparently that is a very powerful bit of magic in in the wizarding world and it does come into play later in the series but it's always been something that's
00:28:38
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hard for me to like wrap my head around because like how it works and like how it got paid off and and stuff like that so this time around when we're when we slowly kind of get up to there I kind of want to pay more attention and see how that goes but Dumbledore explaining it is kind of the start of that and I thought that his explanation was pretty interesting. Anytime Dumbledore says yeah blank magic is very powerful my brain just kind of shuts off because I know that I'm never gonna understand what he's talking about he's saying these things and it's like okay well I mean that kind of makes sense where you're coming from with the idea but like literally nowhere else has this documented except for you and so I just don't really like
00:29:27
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Like I believe it for sure. Like he's definitely right about all that kind of stuff. But I just feel like I'm never gonna like fully comprehend how that kind of thing works. Like especially especially with like the bond of blood and stuff. That is so untested. Like how did he even know that existed? Well, before we kind of maybe go into how it might have existed and stuff like that, I think there's a,
00:29:56
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I think there's a merit in saying that there's a lot of current magic that they're learning that is very like up to date and tried and and true and all that stuff. And then there's magic that they don't understand, a lot of people don't understand. And I think it comes down to Hogwarts Legacy, if we've ever played if we've ever played that game. It talks a lot about ancient magic and things that people kind of just don't understand. It kind of shows that even though And this is years before Voldemort and stuff. Even then, they were kind of figuring out like, oh, hundreds of years ago, these like people did types of magic that we can't even like put our wrap our heads around because it it just wasn't documented or just the purpose of the magic was lost. And so I'm assuming that Dumbledore studied ancient magic a lot.
00:30:51
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And the reason why he even knows about these types of powerful magic is because he he studied ancient magic and they kind of he it's kind of his just little his little niche. And so he understands it a little bit more and can kind of explain it in a way that makes sense, but at the same time still is very mysterious because we don't want have like he may not even have all the answers. Maybe Grindr will tell them about it.
00:31:18
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I think that's possible. I think another possibility is that his seemingly almost unique ability to have like hyper control over the pensive could be a part of that as well. This is like crazy memory collection. And we know that basically only the headmasters of Hogwarts um had access to the pensive and Hogwarts was built where the pensive was found.
00:31:48
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That is the actual location where Hogwarts is canonically built. is they The founders discovered the pensive and built Hogwarts on top of where they found it. So it's like kind of connected to the school in that way. And I think that maybe because of that,
00:32:08
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and Dumbledore is just initial fascination with so with such kinds of like old magic like the Deathly Hallows super super super old magic no one has really any idea how they came to be but Dumbledore has this crazy fascination with them that like that leads him to discovering all these different things and I think that part of that could have led him to some of these more powerful charms that were just kind of lost to time through his either pensive journeys or you know all of the crazy theories about what the deluminator does that's a massive chaotic thing just a lot of a lot of things about him are they're I don't think they're ever going to be explained and I think that's part of the fun of it
00:33:02
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Yeah, sorry, I was reading into pensive a little bit. I was like, I'm interested in this now. Yeah, I've never heard that. That was really interesting. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right, though, isn't it? I haven't gotten to the history part of it yet. you can You can fact check me on that. I'm pretty sure that's right, though, that the the founders built Hogwarts on top of where they found the pensive. It will take me a little bit to fact check, but yeah.
00:33:31
Speaker
I would love to go into it a little bit more and see like what it was. I think there's a similar kind of thing with the Ministry and the veil and the veil was kind of created with the veil was found and the Department of Mysteries was kind of formed around it. That makes sense. because feel like literally kind of feels like ah It's a thing that doesn't move. Yeah. Crazy, powerful, ancient, magical object.
00:34:01
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that is and kind of just like Thor's hammer and you just can't move it or they just don't want to touch it, which is fair. Well, I guess a lot of things when when it comes to ancient magic and things that you just don't understand, a lot of people just prefer not to mess with it and just let it be. Yeah. Which is how a lot of people handle things. But I do think that that is Dumbledore's strength is knowledge of ancient magic that other people take for granted. Cause I mean, that's the whole thing with Voldemort and Harry and just like the magic of love and how love affects magic and and and went to his downfall and things like that. So I think Dumbledore being very well well taught in the arts of ancient magic
00:34:57
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kind of helped him put together the horcrux thing and how like horcruxes were formed and all that stuff so it definitely is gonna come back to play later down the road but that kind of leads us to the end of everything the next part is a montage of Just Harry and everybody enjoying the last days of summer and talking about their result. Fred and George talking about their results. Percy talking about wanting to work in the ministry with his girlfriend. Dean and Seamus discussing who the next Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher is going to be. Making the joke that it's going to be a vampire next year.
00:35:43
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um et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all the way to Hermione telling them that she's dropped Muggle Studies and it will not be using the time turner next year, because she has a very reasonable schedule now, even though it's probably way more reasonable than I would like it. And she's probably still taking more classes than I'd be comfortable with. But it's true she's she's still able to do it without a time turner. so
00:36:14
Speaker
What do we think about this stuff before we hop onto the train? I do. I do want to mention random bit of information. i A vampire does end up showing up it later, like at the slug club party. Yep. I thought that was interesting that it was eventually there was a vampire that showed up.
00:36:41
Speaker
because of some connection to the Defense Against the Dark Arts position. I thought that was kind of funny. That's a connection to the potions master. um But he stepped in because Snape took the ADA.
00:36:58
Speaker
Okay. Can't argue with that. It's a stretch, but it just popped into my mind. I like it.
00:37:11
Speaker
Anything else Saturday meetings about this that you liked? No, that I liked. Now I'm good for now. Well, the movie ends about right around here. But the book takes us into the Hogwarts Express and we get to a little bit more conversation between the trio and the letter appears and we get a letter from Sirius and Harry's day has just been made a little bit better, right before he gets home to King's Cross creation and finds out that Ron's been inviting him to the Quenchable Cup, which is the setup to next year and the crazy events that lead into the Goblet of Fire. But even though it wasn't in the film, is there anything you guys want to talk about like that kind of impacted you with this last part of the chapter?
00:38:08
Speaker
Pigwijian is hilarious. We love pigwijian. And I already kind of mentioned, you know, him getting that permission slip is is really nice. Yeah. And I want to
Missing Hogwarts Express Scene
00:38:21
Speaker
see like all the the boring mundane stuff about like exam results and those sorts of things. I mean, I think all of those are important to include those little details.
00:38:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. What about the comparison between getting a letter from Hogsmeade versus getting the Firebolt? Because the difference here in the movie the that the movie made was that the Firebolt was the gift at the very end of the movie rather than in the middle of the book, which is I think something we did discuss a little bit, but a lot of it. We yeah just it's and it's a whole plot. I mean,
00:39:01
Speaker
I guess in the grand scheme of things, it's not that detrimental to the overall plot of this book. um But it was a huge,
00:39:12
Speaker
I mean, it caused it caused a lot of strife between the three characters getting the fireball in the middle of the book. um And I think that's gonna be good drama um for a TV show. um And I can see how they cut it for the film. there's just not there It's just extra drama um that doesn't hurt. It doesn't take anything away. So I get why they cut it. um I really think that it was just it was just thrown in to the end to be like,
00:39:42
Speaker
this this grand finale, if you will. And i I just don't like it. I think if they were going to take it out, then they should have just taken it out instead of have this short piece of information here at the end. You know, for all the good cinematography in this film, they had to end it on that frame like, come on, you couldn't let it play.
00:40:04
Speaker
for half a second longer and gave us like a beautiful lake shot or something, or just like faded to the train going back to King's Cross or something. Like, come on. Or what about more of a Harry flying around on a hippogriff? Yes, just go back to that. The credits were cool, though. The Marauder's Map credits were fun. But one thing one thing that I think is going to be really, really important is if they include the Firebolt happening mid book, which they should.
00:40:35
Speaker
Um, they need to make sure that they include this scene at the end of, like, like on the train at the end of the book, because it gives like some context for her specifically, Hermione and Ron being back on good terms for the start of the next book.
00:41:03
Speaker
because they've kind of like, you know, hated each other all year for this book due to scabbers and crookshanks being adversaries to say the least. um And this gives them a way to kind of like reconcile that specifically where most hilarious Ron,
00:41:31
Speaker
after hearing that he can keep Pickwidge and holds the owl out to crook shanks and asks, you think it's an owl or like something like that. And crook shanks just looks at him like really. And they just it's a moment that makes it come full circle, you know, like it's a good record reconciliation and it comes full circle and just closes that portion of the story very well.
00:42:00
Speaker
um And so, yeah, I just there's a lot that I want to see. And this this i this chapter is a lot longer than I thought it was going to be. I know it was like 20 pages. Right. But the film just
Consistency in Series Endings
00:42:14
Speaker
snap like the ending is so quick. They spend. like So, Isaac, our last chapter, which is all the time travel stuff, was 20 minutes of the film. And then, you know, this was what? Three. Three minutes or so. So maybe.
00:42:30
Speaker
but um You know, like you said, you take 20 minutes and put it into three pages, you're going to cut a lot of stuff out, but then throw in a random Firebolt.
00:42:41
Speaker
Harry's got to have his new broomstick. I know. Now, i know one thing that I do like that they included about the Firebolt gift is the feather from Buckbeak. I thought that was really cute. It's a good way to explain who it's from. I really liked that. Sure. But I also think that it is just kind of like
00:43:02
Speaker
sad that they left out Harry straight up, like, basically blackmailing the Dursleys into not doing anything bad to him by giving a crazy description of scary stuff. Right. And we need to see that. I know. We need, they actually, like, I didn't realize that they left some sassy Harry out of the movies. I thought that was what the movies did best was bring us more sassy Harry.
00:43:30
Speaker
No, we need more, we need more sassyness for sure. We do. Especially when it's combined with Dumbledore being ridiculously petty.
00:43:43
Speaker
Agreed. Well, that's it then. That kind of leads us into our peeves pleasure, peeves peeve and Weasley salute. So let us begin with Sarah Day.
00:43:59
Speaker
What is your peeve's pleasure? Right. And just a reminder, our peeve's pleasure is what we liked about the adaptation. Our peeve's is peeve is what we did not like or what peeve does. And our Weasley salute is a moment from the book or the film or the adaptation that just really stood out to us. It could be a moment, a character, a line, you know, the world is your oyster. But my peeve's pleasure was the conversation with Lupin.
00:44:27
Speaker
And I don't think I need to go into more details. I, we've already kind of touched on that. And I just thought that was really the only part of this adaptation that they did well. Yeah. That's mine as well. Same reasons. Makes a like ditto.
00:44:48
Speaker
Potter kid. Okay. Mine is going to be just like the design of everything. I really, really, really like how just basically everything in the movie was designed like the Marauders map I thought was a really, really cool prop. And I mean, it isn't exactly book accurate, but the book accurate one would have been like almost impossible to portray on screen. So because they had to change the map, I think they changed it into the best way that they could have. So I personally really liked that. I also really liked
00:45:23
Speaker
like I mentioned previously, the clock, the transition through the clock was awesome. And I think that the overall shift in just vibe from the previous movie gives Prisoner of Azkaban almost like this kind of overwhelming dread feeling like like the audience themselves are feeling affected by the Dementors surrounding the castle at all times. And they're kind of seeing literally seeing in a change in the color tone of the movie, how this affects the students in the castle. And I think that that's a really interesting, possibly unintentional, but I'm gonna assume it's intentional kind of nod to just what's happening over the course of the whole year. I also think that time term design is really cool. Everything that they
00:46:23
Speaker
created for this movie, I think was very, very good. Just the way it looked was incredible. Awesome. Well, mine's kind of lame. after that but ah But I really do like um the scene where Dumbledore kind of shuts the door And he kind of looks at them It's like it's a very seamless transition after they're running up to him just walks up to them He's not surprised to see them at all. He's just like did you do it? Is it done great leaves? And it's kind of just like a nice smooth thing and they open the door back to where they're where they need to go the only fault with that is that the door should have been locked but
00:47:12
Speaker
I mean, if they're not going to include Snape barging into the thing, I guess it's OK if the doors open. You know, but I really do like you can break through a locked gigantic castle door with his shoulder or something. I don't know. I do like Michael Gambin's kind of just acting right there and it just made the scene feel smooth, transitions, all that kind of stuff. So. Mm hmm.
00:47:38
Speaker
Moving on to our peeves peeve peeve Saturday. everything that had to do with the Firebolt.
00:47:48
Speaker
ah Everything that had to do with the Firebolt. I just, I hate that it was cut from the overall story. I hate the way it was introduced in the film. I hate that the ending is him flying off on it. So everything, everything, everything about the Firebolt. Ban the Firebolt. Meeks?
00:48:09
Speaker
um For this chapter and also other chapters, we're moving the mundane things like the world building side character stuff. If we're talking the whole film, the shrunken heads is my least favorite thing out of all of them. Yeah, I forgot about them. Why don't you remind me?
00:48:34
Speaker
Gotcha, gotcha. Potter kid? Mine. mine would probably be that they left out the like train sequence at the ending because I think that that gives so much context for what is happening in the next movie and what is happening like right then and just it gives like the characters of Harry, Ron and Hermione some time away from the absolute chaos to just be there and not have to be dealing with all this other
00:49:09
Speaker
stuff. And I think that it kind of doesn't let Ron have this moment of redemption that he should be having in that moment to kind of like, show him realizing that he was wrong, like about crookshanks and about like Hermione throughout the whole movie. And I think that was probably my least favorite thing about specifically this chapter that they left out. We're talking about like the whole movie, just you know, the marauders in general was the biggest issue. my yes But if we're, if I'm just looking at this chapter, I think that's the main problem is that they just, they didn't give the trio
00:50:00
Speaker
any time to collect themselves and recuperate and just not end the year on bad terms with each other going into their fourth year. It also doesn't, does it? I don't think it sets up Ron um going to get Harry from the Dursleys next year at all. It doesn't even mention the Quidditch World Cup, which I think is something that they should definitely have included.
00:50:29
Speaker
probably doesn't matter anyway since they don't pick them up from the Dursleys in the movie but yeah yeah well whatever it's a missed opportunity for the felly tone joke definitely I am kind of gonna go in the same direction my piece peeve is the not having the train scene but it's for a different reason I feel like this was a missed opportunity as a ah for a seat for the series as a whole because books one and two ended with them being on the train or going onto the train station or you know kind of hopping into the train I believe book one Hagrid gives Harry the the the album and they kind of wave away and it's just like they're waving it away and then that book two what our movie two was um
00:51:32
Speaker
Kind of movie to end, I can't remember.
00:51:39
Speaker
But it ends at the train station, right? Yeah, I think so. I'm not 100% sure. Stand by. I'm going to do my research before I stand by. I'm a little rusty on second movie. I'm also trying to figure out the dates when um I think Prisoner of Azkaban came out before Goblet of Fire was out.
00:52:01
Speaker
So that might be why they didn't have the foreshadowing. um I thought they were always one book behind or two books behind because Azkaban came out as the first movie was releasing. I thought it was always two years behind. Okay, because the release date of the book Prisoner of Azkaban. No movie, hold on movie. Okay, nevermind. It ends with Hagrid coming back in.
00:52:30
Speaker
It doesn't end with the... Oh, that's right. It does. It doesn't end with the Hogwarts Express like I thought it did for some reason. Anyways, I was kind of going into the thing where I wish that it would set up an ending at the Hogwarts Express or on the Hogwarts Express. I know Order of the Phoenix does that where they kind of end going towards the train.
00:52:55
Speaker
um Oblet a fire, I think ends with six Cedric Diggory's funeral. No, it's some it's is that the one where it's like nothing's going to be the same? Yeah, I don't think we see a funeral for Cedric Diggory, do we? No, we don't. They're at they're in like a eulogy or something, because Dumbledore is talking about. Well, he's like, remember Cedric at the Great Hall. Yeah. At the feast at the end of the year feast. He's like, remember Cedric and remember why he died.
00:53:26
Speaker
um But I think that movie is the one Harry's like, um nothing's going to be the same now, is it? And I forgot if it's Hermione or Ron, but they're just like, no, it's not going to be the same. Anyways,
Dumbledore and Snape's Relationship
00:53:41
Speaker
I would really like I really would have liked a consistency with ending.
00:53:48
Speaker
with the Hogwarts Express in some way. Maybe not at King's Cross Station ah like they did with the first movie but like in general kind of just taking us back to that train which takes us to the you know, which takes us to Hogwarts and all that stuff. ah I agree with you. Especially when you're you're establishing going to Hogwarts. Like, Chamber of Secrets are obviously like, they're going to Hogwarts a different way, but like, that's still going to Hogwarts and then they end leaving Hogwarts. I think having that kind of makes it feel like the movie can bookend. ah That's exactly what I was gonna say. Like, it's ah it's a full circle moment, just like the books are.
00:54:30
Speaker
ah start and an end and you you always kind of have that with the story that's going going on. I think that as well now that we have the benefit of hindsight when looking at this is having that uniformity for all of the years at Hogwarts gives a very very very nice setup to Harry's like limbo state in Deathly Hallows where he creates in his mind the King Cross, King's Cross Station. ah And I think that if we had that always going back to their always returning to this point every year as go stepping to and from the wizarding world would give almost would give a much greater weight to that scene. And it would also
00:55:25
Speaker
almost symbolize as well, like this point in between two worlds of the living and the dead, because it symbolizes normally between the wizarding world and the muggle world. Yeah, that's a really great point. I like it. To those who are wondering about the timeline thing, because we mentioned if the timeline came out first, ah Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone came out in 1997.
00:55:54
Speaker
then Chamber of Secrets in 1998, Prisoner of Azkaban in 1999, and then Goblet of Fire in 2000, and then the movie Sorcerer's Stone came out in 2001, with the other one coming out in 2002. The fifth book, 2003, the third movie, 2004, the sixth book, 2005, which six months later then came out Goblet of Fire. Order of the Phoenix came out in 2007,
00:56:20
Speaker
this a week no 10 days before the Deathly Hollows came out. And then 2009 for the Half-Blood Prince and then 2010 for the part one and 2011 for part two. So you were right two books behind Potter Kid. Yeah. yeah um Speaking of endings um
Reflections on 'Prisoner of Azkaban' Adaptation
00:56:44
Speaker
I Do you think that they've nailed an ending thus far? So we've seen three movies. I think the first one was a very great ending with the train. And I don't think these other at these past two have been good endings. I mean, I disagree with the second one because I was about to say it's emotional. Very good ending for me. But I just preferred it ending at the train station.
00:57:09
Speaker
Right. I think it's an emotion. And like, again, for the film, it's a great ending. But for a series, I think having the consistency at the train station, like Potter kid said, is going to really make that final scene with Dumbledore at the train station very much um more impactful. Yeah, agreed.
00:57:37
Speaker
Well, last but not least, Wizarding's Weasley Salutes. Is that your name? Lupin was my Weasley salute. I just love the man. I mean, after we've been through with all of him this year, I can't ah disagree anymore. Yeah. I think I said that wrong, but yeah. I can't agree more. I can't agree more. There you go.
00:58:06
Speaker
I wrote down the permission slip um from Sirius. Yeah. That makes me so happy. Is that your Weasley salute powder kid? No, it is not. My Weasley salute is kind of a goofy one. It's Dumbledore just throughout the entire book being really, really, really petty towards Snape. hu Like constantly, like at the um I think it was this book right where they were at like I think it was the Christmas party or the Halloween party or something and he like pulled a cracker with Snape and he put the vulture hat on and just wore it for the entire like yeah time and you know that he knew about that and Snape didn't and that was such a freaking like
00:58:57
Speaker
low kick to Snape that just flew right over him that I thought was hilarious. I actually think he knew about it because people were talking about it and gossiping it and his anger towards Neville grew and he became a little bit more abusive throughout the year towards Neville. Yeah. I think he knew. I think yeah because I mean that's just something that I've noticed about in Dumbledore that I think is really funny is he just has this like undying urge to make Snape's life as annoying as possible and there's nothing he can do about it. And he also does the thing like where he literally like in the books he straight up says to Snape like while he's in his rage he's like well unless you're suggesting that Harry can be in two places at once pauses for a couple seconds then I think you should dismiss this argument or something like that. And he like he knows
00:59:54
Speaker
that Snape knows what happened. And Snape knows that Dumbledore knows that Snape knows what happened. ah Snape also knows that Dumbledore knows that Snape can't do anything about it. right And he is leveraging that so hard in that scene. It was hilarious. I love that perspective. I haven't thought about it that way.
01:00:13
Speaker
Yeah. Like if you go back through just a lot of the book and you look pretty much every single interaction between Dumbledore and Snape has at least one instance of Dumbledore just saying something that is so petty to Snape. And I think it's really funny. That's great. And I do feel like maybe that kind of but some puts some perspective the relationship Dumbledore has with Snape. Oh, absolutely. yeah He is like ah fully using Snape to the maximum capability that he can. But I also feel like, and you know, I think down the road, this can be expounded for sure, but I also feel like down like for sure Dumbledore has a little bit of heart towards Snape. Like he cares about Snape, but he's not going to take Snape seriously.
01:01:08
Speaker
Uh, because of what Snape's done in his past and stuff, but he's, he's to the point where Dumbledore treats him like a friend would treat another friend by just like doing that little types of like goading and getting and being like, type scenario, like the vulture hat thing and just being like, that's a type of, that's a type of a relationship you have with a friend almost. And it's kind of makes you wonder if Snape.
01:01:38
Speaker
and Dumbledore, Snape and Dumbledore have that type of relationship secretly for each other, like they admire each other but without actually telling each other. I think that's an interesting perspective, ah but I also think that that could that could easily not be the case, because of the fact that Snape is not the only person that Dumbledore does this to, literally in the same, like in this chapter in the book,
01:02:04
Speaker
He does the exact same thing to Fudge. He's just messing with him, like constantly. I mean, everybody loves messing with Fudge. That's fair. But he also, I mean, he also does it to Trelawney, like you say, like the way stranger than usual you mean, or something like that. And then he and then he says the Oh, she made two right predictions. I should offer her a pay raise or something. And it's just like, it's just so random and out of pocket and that you don't expect to hear it from Dumbledore. And I just find that really funny because he's just kind of like that constantly and you don't see it unless you are actively looking for it.
01:02:42
Speaker
Yeah. Well, the only reason I even suggest it as a possibility that they could admire each other is like friends secretly without actually letting each other know is because eventually Dumbledore trusts Snape to kill him. And to fulfill to to fulfill Dumbledore's end of the bargain of just being like Dumbledore is going out the way that Dumbledore wants to go out. That he he's trusting Snape to do this thing.
01:03:12
Speaker
that he wouldn't trust anybody else to do. And I feel like ah feel like that may be part of the reason is that they've maybe grown a bond secretly for each other that both aren't willing to admit to the other, but at the same time, they kind of both know deep down, no matter how frustrating you like get for like frustrating it gets set at times, like at the end of this chapter with Snape being frustrated towards Dumbledore.
01:03:43
Speaker
But I don't know, it's something to look into as we as we do book four, five, and six, for sure.
01:03:57
Speaker
My Weasley salute so happens to just be the last paragraph of the book. ah Harry Potter telling Vernon Dursley about his top father and just going like... It's so funny.
01:04:12
Speaker
uh yeah i have a godfather and he's that his serial killer you saw on the tv and he writes me every so often to see how i'm doing and if i'm okay
01:04:23
Speaker
He just expertly executes the fear, the fear into verdain. And he's just like, nevermind, this summer's going to be pretty good, actually. It's it's back to the being able to ah mess with Dudley by saying random crap, but in a different way this time. Yeah, I know. That's good. Well, and I think that's why we need to include all the King's Cross Station stuff in the show, because we're going to miss nuggets like this.
01:04:55
Speaker
And so I just feel like that was a great way to end, not just a chapter, but to end the book and kind of makes you excited to read the fourth one and just go straight into it and kind of go from there. So that's fine. And I appreciate it. And anything else to add people? No, I think it's glorious. I think it's perfect. There's nothing that I would change about the book ending to this.
01:05:25
Speaker
to the third book, it is ah pretty much perfect. This was a ah fun adaptation to talk about because there were so many things to mention and discuss. um And it's just gonna keep continuing to be like that from here on out. um And so
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:05:44
Speaker
i yeah this was just a really fun book to cover because I've this has never been my favorite movie or my favorite book. um But definitely one of my least favorite movies, if not my least favorite movie. um And but it's, but it's not like I dislike it or anything. But doing this adaptation, um this slow adaptation discussion that we've been doing this year, I'm like, whoa, there are a lot of things
01:06:17
Speaker
that I did not realize how much I did not like. um But it is really interesting, though, how there can be so many things that we pick out that we don't appreciate, and yet I still enjoy watching the film every time. Right. And it will be interesting because we know so much is cut from the Goblet of Fire, how much we discover more that we realized was cut from the books. Yeah. One interesting thing that I do have to add is prisoner The Prisoner of Azkaban film is my favorite film. Like overall, in my personal opinion, I think it is my favorite film. Haven't you only seen three? i i have seen I have seen all of the first three. I have seen parts of all of the other ones and I know pretty much everything that goes on in what was cut from the other ones.
01:07:14
Speaker
I haven't like sat down and watched them all the way through, but i have I've seen almost all of Half-Blood Prince as well. We actually had a discussion a few episodes ago about how The Prisoner of Azkaban is the highest rated of the eight films, even though it's like...
01:07:38
Speaker
and i think ah such a weird adaptation of it of the book. I think the reason that I like it isn't because it's a good adaptation of the book. I don't think it is. I think the reason that I like it is because they realized that they couldn't make like a perfect adaptation. And they kind of just decided to I feel like need to perfect But it could have been better. Yeah, well, I know that. And I agree with that. But I think that like, like I was saying earlier, as I just as someone who's like, really, really interested in all the behind the scenes stuff, this is one of the movies, this is probably the movie where they did the most, like, big changes to how they made the movies. Yes. This movie kind of set the precedent for all of the movies that came after it.
01:08:36
Speaker
And I think that that kind of it just gave it such a different vibe to where I feel like I can't really like truly directly compare the book and the movie. And I have to kind of think of them as separate things and not as like the same story, if that makes sense. Yeah.
01:09:07
Speaker
Well, thank you for Causing Havoc with us today. Yes, I enjoy arguing on both sides of everything. It has been a pleasure to have you on here, Potter Kid Reads. Yeah, it was fun to do that. And listeners, thank you for Causing Havoc with us today as well. Next time we will be discussing Well, something.
01:09:40
Speaker
Our- Well, you yeah, we usually do our episode breakdown and we usually do our fan casting. Correct. And then we typically have Zuhara Lee come on and do an overview. And a review of the book in and story overall. But because our calendar's gonna be a little, um what's the word?
01:10:04
Speaker
Our calendar is a little hectic over the next couple of weeks, so we won't know what's going to be our next week's introduction we'll be discussing. So just stay tuned and for all the craziness that's about it. Hit that follow button. Definitely. Potter Kid Reads, where can our listeners find you? Yeah, I'm on Instagram at Potter Kid Reads. That's where I do all my stuff.
01:10:34
Speaker
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01:11:46
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