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Quidditch Cup, Sharpening that Axe, and Keep Buckbeak's Name Out Your Mouth
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Today, we are analyzing Chapters 15 and 16 The Quidditch Final Professor Trelawney’s Prediction 1:19:11|. 1:27:35
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Introduction & Overview of Podcast Topics
00:00:20
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Welcome to Peeves Gabfest, a chapter by chapter page to screen analysis of the Harry Potter series. I'm James. I'm Meeks. And I'm Sarah Day. And today, we are analyzing chapters 15 and 16, The Quidditch Finale and Professor Tarani's Prediction, which will be happening at 1 hour and 19 minutes and 11 seconds in the film to 1 hour and 27 minutes and 35 seconds in the film.
00:00:50
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Before we start gabbing, we wanted to give a spoiler warning. We will be using our vast knowledge of the Wizarding World to compare the page to the screen, and we may gab about moments that happen later in the books or films. You've been warned, Icklefirsties.
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In-depth Analysis of Harry Potter Chapters 15 & 16
00:06:01
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Welcome back, listeners! So we have a great treat for you today because chapters 15 and 16 in the book are so intertwined in this next little bit of the film that we couldn't separate it all in order to do it one at a time. So we're gonna do both at a time, and that is a lot to break down. But most importantly, I think we need to discuss the Quidditch Cup. yes Did we know that they won this year? Because I totally forgot that they won this year. Well, and I don't want to be a dead horse. You know, we've always talked about how they definitely cut a lot of Quidditch out of the film.
00:06:48
Speaker
But ah listening to this Quidditch finale on my um commute to work, I was so engrossed in the story and on the edge of my seat, even though I know what happens, but actually listening to listening to this game Um, play out is going to be so exciting to see that on the screen. And I really hope that we get a lot more Quidditch in the, in the show. Yeah. I noticed that too, when I was listening that I was so engrossed in it and I'm like, wow, for somebody who doesn't like sports, she really knows how to write a captivating sports event. Well, and that's why it's so unfortunate that the next two books, she wanted to take a break from Quidditch because it's like, this wasn't really good. Right. Yeah.
00:07:35
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it It was. I guess it makes ire completely forgot. yeah I completely forgot that they even won the Quidditch Cup this year. I think that the movies are so ingrained in my brain that I always thought they did just one in the sixth year when Harry's the Quidditch captain and they're doing that kind of stuff. I completely just like I guess it's because it's not addressed in the movie at all. Right. And I hadn't read touch the books in a couple of years that it just completely overshadowed the fact that they did win and they did celebrate because I was thinking the whole entire time they were going to win that Malfoy was going to capture it or that the Slytherins were like one point ahead and they were just going to like lose the Quidditch cup
00:08:19
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that time around. I did not expect it to turn out the way that it did. And it just was like, oh, they won. They won? What? Like it threw me for a little because I was just that's like how ingrained I guess the films are in in the thing is that it makes you forget some of these details. And so yeah, it's a really fun.
00:08:42
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On that note, anybody else have something that like hopped out at you ah besides the Quidditch Cup during those next two chapters that you're kind of just like, what the heck? Like, what was that? um not i Not really other than my my peeves peeves. So I think I'll save that for the end.
00:09:05
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i'm looking at my co I'm looking at my notes right now. like so With all of our um our technical issues that we had, I forgot to even like review my notes. Right, me too. So listeners, um first of all, we're starting this recording 45 minutes later than we usually do because there's a severe weather alert in my town and I didn't lose power but I lost internet and then Meg's gonna find her headphones so here we are.
00:09:40
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but still
Technical Difficulties During Recording
00:09:41
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very dedicated yeah yeah we We forgot during the whole debacle to like actually be prepared for the what we were supposed to be talking about. But it feels it's kind of fun because we're recording really old school and we can't see each other right now we're not on video so we're all like disoriented.
00:10:00
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A little disoriented, yes. I had a lot of, well, okay, obviously the big thing was Quidditch being like removed, like just Quidditch because this is a whole Quidditch chapter, but then like the lack of Quidditch that's in the film. So that's like, of course, the most glaring thing. The rest of it for me is just so many little things um in these chapters that are really, really fun. um and of course removed from the movies and I cannot wait for them to hopefully include all of these things in the TV show just you know little moments and um little things that people say just like we say pretty much every analysis chapter analysis that we do I just can't wait to see how they do it for the TV show so for me it was just a lot of um a lot of little things
00:10:50
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And then, and then also exams, I mean, they they take out um a lot of the exam stuff, which is also pretty common. You know, they do that throughout the series. um And in the books, it's a very big deal because it's the end of the year exams. And so I, I always like when they um reading those chapters, because it's like, it's, of course, gonna be a fun montage if they include it all.
00:11:18
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yeah most definitely i think my favorite exam to watch would be professor lupin's defense against the dark guards exam yeah just being able to like see them like try and get away from all these creatures that they've been learning about and then like her minie freaking out about her bug art and ron getting like dragged dragged away not dragged away but like tricked into falling into like this marsh thing by hinky punk like All that just sounds like so much fun, like it just like a nice little break right before all the like big heavy plot stuff is about to happen. Sounds like a great thing for a TV show to do.
Book vs. Film: Portrayal of Key Events
00:11:59
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Another thing that I um resent about this movie is that they only add in a little bit of the the whole Buckbeak and his execution. They include that part of it and they include a little bit of lead up to it, but to me it's not enough to really showcase like why they even care and the effort that Hermione had been putting in to do the research and you know they took out the whole Ron and Hermione fighting anyway so then we don't see how like you know they had basically abandoned her with the friendship but then in the meantime she's like giving everything that she can on top of all of her classes to do this execution research for Hagrid to try to help him out and
00:12:46
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So we miss all of that and I think that does a really big disservice to that whole plot line. So I would love to see them include that. yeah that reminds me also when i this might be my peeve actually i don't know but i'm gonna say it now i don't think it is my peeve i they're in haggard's hut and they haggard hand scabbers to ron whereas in the book hermione finds him in the picture And then in the movie, she has the line about you owe somebody an apology, which kind of feels weird because they did cut out the entire fight between the two of them. So it's like, wait, why does she owe you an apology? Or why does he owe you an apology? It just felt weird. Like they're just adding it in for drama. ah Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:39
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Well, because i think yeah I think in perspective, we didn't know anything happened to Scabbers until they were walking down to Hagrid's hut. And then all of a sudden, Scabbers has been found like a few minutes later. yeah ah the conversation earlier um was like, um you mean your cat ate him or something like that. and then So for her to be like I think you owe somebody an apology and he's like next time I see Kirk Shanks I'll I'll tell him I'm sorry and she's like I met me and it's like but why what it like why like in the book it would make some more sense, but she doesn't even say that in the book Yeah, right Well because the apology happens like way before then like they get Hagrid Hagrid's letter
00:14:31
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And yeah Harry and Ron feel super bad about not helping with the thing because Hermione did all the work. And so Ron literally just like man's up and goes, hey, you're not going to be it's it's going to be OK, because we're going to get this appeal done and you're you're going to have something you didn't have last time and you're going to have us like we're going to be helping you like for and like that just like opens the floodgates for Hermione who's been like holding up her pent up emotions about this entire thing and just like is so glad that Ron's finally like
00:15:08
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basically forgiven her in his own way. And like she apologizes about the the thing too. And he's just like, yeah, it's okay. It's whatever. He's not old. He was old. he like it Like, I'm over it now because this is more important. And so like, it worked really well in the book, but like that doesn't necessarily happen at all. And so in the movie, because it's just
00:15:35
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It's just kind of rushed. Even if like ah in the deleted scene that I mentioned when they were in the Gryffindor common room and Ron is like basically bringing up the the fact that Scabbers had been eaten by Crookshanks and Hermione was like, no, he wasn't. or like They had that little fight and they were introducing the little conflict a little bit. It's still not enough to kind of go, oh, like,
00:15:58
Speaker
Why would there be an apology needed kind of thing? They aren't really jumping at each other's throats. Exactly. There isn't any conflict between the two of them. In in retrospect, the person he should be apologizing to is Crookshanks because he blames Crookshanks for the entire time and not Hermione from the looks of it. Right. So it's just, you know, our favorite word, dramatic.
00:16:28
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um right after all of this happens in the film we get the scene they watch ah buckbeak be beheaded and they all like kind of hug each other um have you guys seen the real because every time i see this scene now i can't not think of this real um where it's a montage of Ron and Hermione moments with Harry popping in and it's set to that song that goes like um it's just you and me and my friend Steve oh yeah yeah yeah i know what you're talking about so i can't not think of that anymore and when i because i saw that hug and i'm like
00:17:06
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my friend steve it is really funny because um well it's because it's funny but also this movie really
Teenage Angst & Character Dynamics
00:17:16
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was the first time that they were they're like teenagers and they're wearing not the um movie set design Hogwarts robes where Hermione's wearing her to like Catholic schoolgirl outfit you know like they're wearing jeans and um you know things just feel a lot more loosey goosey in general with like how the ah director you know was portraying this film and everything so
00:17:42
Speaker
Um, and I feel like this is when people who fans who were around the same age as the actors and actresses, they were also like, everyone's developing crushes on everyone. And so I just think it's so funny because it just makes it that much more obvious when Harry is like really third wheeling.
00:18:03
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because there was also like all of this teenage angst that had started around this time too and we all remember that of course because we all like grew up with these films so. I don't know if you guys noticed but I sent a reel today about ah Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince being tra like made a trailer into a teenage romance movie. It's so funny. and It just like yeah has all of those like little tropes of a teenage romance movie, but like the music in the background was changed to fit the a like aesthetic, but it still got like all the scenes from the movie.
00:18:41
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but like it totally works in a way because it definitely, you know, like it feels like that's what it is exactly. And so I kind of laugh at that. Yeah, it's so funny.
00:18:55
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um I had no, of course, a bunch of little notes about the before the Quidditch scene um or the Quidditch portion of that chapter of the Quidditch final.
00:19:08
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um just like a montage of like there's just so much classroom world building of course that gets taken out um and them noticing Ron in particular noticing that Hermione's missing classes or she's like arriving late or she's behind them and then all of a sudden she's not and um you know they take all of that for the most part out of the film um And then I wrote down all of the password changes because they have Sir Cadogan at this point and I think that would be really funny too. Just like a funny little thing to like really emphasize again that world building and that character building of like how he changes the password like
00:19:51
Speaker
every day or multiple times a day or something. And so having everyone like get frustrated because he keeps changing it and like showing that in the TV show because that's really characteristic of these stories is having all of those little things added in that and keep it really lighthearted even with a ah very serious overarching plot.
00:20:14
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Yeah. Although by this time they replaced Circa Duggan, it's now The Fat Lady again, because Circa Duggan failed to let Ser- to keep Sirius Black out because he had the password and things, but... I totally get what you're meaning about, like, that kind of stuff in the background would definitely make it fun to have, uh, just happening while this other plot stuff is happening for the show.
00:20:44
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it would only take them, you know, a minute to add in things like that. And so with the TV show, of course, they won't have to cut out nearly as much stuff. So hopefully they'll include all of those little, the little silly things. Yeah.
00:21:00
Speaker
um The slap scene. Are we ready to talk about that? And that's what I was just about to bring up. James, what are your thoughts?
00:21:11
Speaker
So I laughed because i and this was the beginning of like Hermione kind of getting back into the the ropes of being friends with Harry and Ron again. And they you can tell they've not not necessarily been apart per se, but like they've separated themselves enough that they're being reminded of the of each other's traits and and and qualities that they liked in each
Hermione's Impactful Moments
00:21:42
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other. And Hermione is just showing her her awesomeness and her her girl boss power or whatever. However you say that, I don't remember.
00:21:51
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vinging of a phrase and I can't remember. um But like she just doesn't take any crap from Malfoy and slaps him and then she you know leaves divination and in a huff and like Ron's over here going like who are you? Like after she goes and retrieves the uh the invisibility cloak so that they can go see Hagrid he's just like who are you? But like Ron knew all of this stuff beforehand it just goes to show you that like they he underappreciated the qualities that she had, and I think the slap scene is just part of it. And the movie does a really good job in and doing that with Emma Watson punching Tom Felton in the face, and that whole scene of them just kind of being like, oh crap, like don't mess with her and them running away. like I think they did a really good job, but I think the book does a better job of
00:22:47
Speaker
taking that moment and making it feel more triumphant than uh than just a moment of what's uh what's what i'm looking for moment of of aggression or reprieve i'm i'm not sure if i'm thinking of the right word but like my point is is like the movie doesn't feel like it well like it fully captures the impact of what that punch could be, which is which is why it's interesting that how they combine these chapters like that.
00:23:33
Speaker
Yeah, that's, um, I wrote that down to James that I think, um, the movie, sure, it was like for, for what they were going for with the movie, it, it fits. But I think that they, again, did a disservice to this scene because they did take out all of that.
00:23:53
Speaker
that building up of energy that Hermione had to get her to that point because it's really out of character for her to do something like that which is the whole point and so in the movie it's kind of like it comes off as a like, rah, rah, like, like this girl's gonna, you know, she's gonna punch Malfoy and she's gonna show him who's boss kind of whatever. And then it, and then it just sort of like goes away. And you don't really see how stressed out she is. And, you know, leading up to this, she is so incredibly stressed out. And then we, you know, we find out, of course, the full depth of that once we learn about the time turner. But the Hagrid stuff is really stressful too. And it's not just like,
00:24:37
Speaker
We're sad because of Buckbeak, which you showed for 20 seconds and we're sad for our friend. It's not that, which is kind of what they, they like cheapened it a little bit to that um point in the movie. And instead it's that Hermione has had this build up where she, she's missing classes, which is so unlike her and she's falling asleep in the common room while she's studying. And you know, she's.
00:25:01
Speaker
She's like about to crack and then she and already, you know, they all want to snap around Malfoy all the time because that's also another build up. And they don't I think that they don't really show him enough in the films because they just take out a lot of his scenes because they cut him for time.
00:25:18
Speaker
But like, he's actually, I think, so much worse in the book, similar to Snape, where, you know, Alan Rickman did a fantastic job of playing Snape, Tom Felton obviously did a fantastic job of playing Malfoy, but they did great with what they had available to them and the the what was written for them. But really, like,
00:25:39
Speaker
There is so much more mean stuff that they say. And so with Malfoy, it's like the buildup on Hermione's end, but then also the buildup of now three years of them dealing with Malfoy saying really hateful, awful things. And so finally she just snapped. And I think that that you get the full impact of that in the books and you get all of that backstory. And in the movies, you don't really get it. It's just kind of like a funny thing where she punches him. But it it's It's almost like a knee slap laugh rather than feeling the full weight of what's like going on. That's a great way of explaining it. No, I agree. like she She's been through a lot. like She just recently had Ron and Harry get back into her life. She's probably been dealing with weeks of
00:26:27
Speaker
anxiety and stress of my friend my friend my only friends hate me and I don't know what to do and then she's got all the classes and then she's helping Hagrid and she's you know doing all this stuff on top of it and it's building up on her And she's only 13. And she's only 13. She's also a 13-year-old.
The Importance of Friendship
00:26:51
Speaker
So I think yeah i think it's pretty impressive like how much she was doing and like all that stuff. And you make it makes you wonder like if Ron and Harry hadn't come back in and made up with her and like be there to support her as much as they have been.
00:27:10
Speaker
would how would she have been faring then because like it's they barely just got back in there and then they start doing all these preparations and studies and stuff for the exams and Ron like I think she's only able to like handle it because Ron's taking over the case for Buckbeak like Ron steps in and does like the awesome thing to do and be like this I'm putting this on my plate don't worry about it you do whatever you're doing because like they they don't understand it but they're still supportive of it because they know she's putting in so much effort and they've taken things off of her plate and are there supporting her and helping her and and it's just like how long would she have how long ahead would she have like survived without them and Right. like it's It's so consequential that the they happen to be able to make up right as she's about to like do all these things. And the the things that she did, I think, in the end were reasonable. She doesn't take any more crap from divination and she finally makes the decision to leave and then she also
00:28:20
Speaker
ah You know stands up to Malfoy and hits him in the face and it's just like you better beat him and quitter Terry like like like all that stuff I feel like was a reasonable amount of reaction to what was going on without completely breaking and then having that support to be able to continue going on and doing what she's doing and Yeah. If I was creating this film, which I could, or if I was creating this movie, this TV show, which isn't, you know, not out of the question, obviously, if they asked me to do it, but
00:28:59
Speaker
I think it would be really funny to show everybody else's reactions like a real reaction from them to the slap because you know they just kind of do like the cookie cutter thing that Ron says like you know whatever he said oh that was brilliant you know And it was fine. But I feel like you know shows like um like Schitt's Creek, they do a really good job of just like the camera panning over to somebody's facial expression when somebody says something shocking. um And a lot of shows, I feel like that's that's kind of the... a way to do comedy now um that a lot of shows are doing and so of course it's not going to be a comedy show but if it is i think that that would be really funny to like have her do that and then the camera just pans over to ron and harry like speechless with their mouths open um and so i think that's a dream of mine that i hope happens well and i don't think it's going to be comedy in the sense of brooklyn 99 or schitt's creek but i do based on
00:30:01
Speaker
the writer and director think that there will be dark humor.
00:30:09
Speaker
I'm excited. I really want to see the cheering charms class and like what that means. Like, well, I mean, or what that actually looks like if somebody were to portray it, you know, I think that that would be really funny to show that.
00:30:26
Speaker
Everybody leaves the, everybody leaves the classroom like if they're like, like if they're high, they're just like, there's a lot of things like that just in the classes, especially in the Charms classes that would just be so funny if they showed all of those, which again, they have to actually include classroom time in order to do these.
00:30:49
Speaker
Well, and they should include classroom time. Yeah, it's a school. It's six years of them being out of school.
00:31:00
Speaker
um I also really want to see like and when they're in the divination class when Hermione's still there but she's about to walk out um like her making her comments which they kind of kind of include it they kind of half-ass it in the film but I really want to see like that whole how that all plays out and you know, people giggling more when Trelawney is being really dramatic and stuff. i I would love to see how all of the students and and um Lavender and Parvati and how they're like obsessed with Trelawney, you know, seeing more of their expressions too. Yes, 100%.
00:31:39
Speaker
I don't know if you guys picked up on this the when you were reading the chapter, but I felt like after she left in that like like rage manner type scenario and she kind of just stormed out and all that stuff. I feel like that affected Professor Tarani in a way that was kind of just like she almost wasn't expecting it, but at the same time knew it was going to happen kind of scenario. Like the students weren't Um, like able to observe that that affected Trani in a way, because I felt like based off of how I was reading it, she kind of separated herself from the class for a little bit and turned away, they turned away from them and was kind of like calming herself down. Cause I think that her mind gets hurt. Yeah, that is really interesting. Until the girls, um, were like, Oh my God, you said somebody was going to leave us forever. And then she's like, Oh yeah, I did.
00:32:37
Speaker
And she kind of gets her grooves back. Yeah, and she took that and then got back into her groove. She took that and got back into her groove. For a moment, I felt like she was shocked and wasn't expecting that type of behavior from Hermione. And it threw her off her groove and she had to recompose herself again. I don't know. That's how it appeared to you guys. But when I was reading, that's what was happening.
00:33:07
Speaker
Yeah, I could see that. I think it's important to show ah as they have to add in, you know, classroom time into the show. I think it's really important to show like how anything that happens affects the professors as well.
00:33:28
Speaker
James, who would you be like in divination? Who would I be like in divination? I would probably be Neville. but Yeah, I would definitely be Lavender in Pavardi. I feel like I'd be Ron.
00:33:49
Speaker
That's a poll. Poll for everyone listening.
Insights into Divination Class
00:33:51
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Who would you be like in divination class?
00:33:59
Speaker
be like optimistically cautious. I'd be like, I think it's real, but I don't know. And like, it's just like life is just so weird. I don't understand this magic, but like, it's, it's, it's also real. Like, uh, like poor Neville like comes out of the exam and he's just like, she told me not to tell anybody or else like I'd get into a horrible accident. Like I would, I would cautiously believe that I'd be with Neville in that scenario where I'd be like,
00:34:29
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I don't want to attempt fate, so it's not going to happen. I'm not going to tell you anything.
00:34:37
Speaker
I do really like Trelawney's smile being described as Dewey. I think that that's a very underrated descriptor for the way that somebody smiles. I think that's really funny. And it's like the perfect way to like, you can totally imagine that with the, you know, the things that she says and stuff like having a dewy smile. That's I think that's like the perfect descriptor for her. Yeah, I agree. Something that I've like noticed on these reread is how good JK is at some of these, like you said, descriptor words. Mm hmm.
00:35:18
Speaker
I've just been picking up on it a lot more. Yeah. um My next notes are about ah the lead up to Quidditch.
Anticipating a Faithful Quidditch Adaptation
00:35:30
Speaker
Do we have more about Quidditch we need to say or do you think we've pretty much covered that?
00:35:36
Speaker
Um, for me, I just, uh, like, I want to see the actual lead up, like, when Wood keeps coming up to Harry in the corridors and telling him, like, giving him all these pointers, and then Harry shouts at him. Um, like, I know, I know. Um, you know, like, the tension is just building with everybody, and everybody's getting so stressed out. The whole school's getting all stressed out about it, and I just want to see that.
00:36:00
Speaker
something is like ah in regards to this lead up, um his dream where he shows up and the Slytherins are all on dragons. And then he's like, all the sudden of a sudden remembers he forgot his fireball and he's mid-air. I want to see the dream. yeah He has some very interesting dreams throughout the series, and I would like to see them all. They are yeah criminally underrepresented. Definitely. I also definitely think that this part of the book like references Quidditch in a way that I don't think a lot of people think about. I think yeah so i think this book referenced Quidditch in a way that kind of like changed my viewpoint on it a little bit, was like how everybody was stress stressing out about the Quidditch house cup
00:36:56
Speaker
um and like how Gryffindor needed a certain amount of points for it. and like i I know we probably might talk about this in the future and in the future with some other people about how Quidditch is um not a really good sport on like in reality versus it is on paper kind of scenario or whatever, how however that discussion is going to go.
00:37:22
Speaker
but um like the The game seems outrageous, yes. But if you're playing the game and in a one-off type standing, it feels like, yeah, you just need to focus on the snitch and grab the snitch. But I never considered point standings, because I guess what happens is is that you at every point you earn in the game goes towards you being in position to the House Cup. And that's when I remembered the Quidditch World Cup where Bulgaria caught the snitch but then lost the game. um And so it made me realize that points on your previous games are are important, meaning that would doing this calculation of like you need 50 points before you catch the snitch
00:38:20
Speaker
is important because even though Harry catches the snitch before they have the points in place, they would still lose the house cup. And so Quidditch, I guess, in my brain became more of a like strategy type thing of if we don't have enough points, we don't win first place. And it's a culmination of their entire season, not just that one game, which is what most sports are in in in our in our actual in our actuality real reality lives and like football and basketball like it's that game that's important it's not the entire season it's that game the entire season got you to that game you play that game to win that game whereas this one is more of a what you've done your entire season gets you to this point but how you performed
00:39:20
Speaker
is also important, meaning that if you even though you performed well in that game, if you had performed poorly in the season, you would still lose. And so that made it an interesting little tidbit to kind of go off of, because I never really considered that out until I read these chapters.
00:39:40
Speaker
Yeah, that's interesting. I can't wait for our great Quidditch debate that we're going to have.
00:39:48
Speaker
little preview for you for you listeners.
00:39:53
Speaker
um Yeah, and I just love all the Slytherin players like trying to trip Harry in the hallway, and just all of that is so funny to me. And the whole school just like really rallying around the Quidditch players. like Everybody just has Quidditch on the brain, the professors all do too, and the the professors have to pretend like they don't, but they really do. So yeah, I just can't wait to see that obsession that everybody has.
00:40:22
Speaker
My conical is just like throws her hat on the ground and it's just like, how dare you do that?
00:40:31
Speaker
Um, and then the, I like how they, how she describes the common room the night before and like the different ways that everybody kind of lets off their steam when they're stressed out. Um, I think that's, you know, that's real. That's like how it is. Everybody's going to be different in how they handle it and handle the pressure. And so I want to see that for sure. Um, definitely want to see Harry blushing at Cho as she says good luck. ah Love a good foreshadow.
00:41:01
Speaker
And then he sees Padfoot with Kirk Shanks this evening right before the Quidditch match. Yes. Would love to see that. I mean, Kirk Shanks in general needs to be in the show a lot more than he was in the film. Like, his role is pretty important. Yeah. it really is. Just a little bit. Just a little bit.
00:41:28
Speaker
little ah lot i think would i think this would be really fun i'm not sure exactly what the vision is in my head but i just like it's sort of something that entered my head and i'm like i'm not really sure how they could do this in ah in a I am doing that right now because I've never listened listen to the Stephen Fry version, I've always listened to Dim Dale. But anyways, both of them are excellent at how they um essentially they have to like, commentate the match, you know, and
00:42:05
Speaker
um It would be really fun to hear an actual sports commentator, like, you know, in the real world, like somebody who does that, and you know, who's been doing that for decades and they're really good at it, to hear them narrate a Quidditch match. I think that would be really fun to hear. and Agreed. So, anything else that we would like to talk about before we get to our peeves, Pleasure Peeves, Peave and Weasley Salute?
00:42:37
Speaker
Let me my notes. I think I'm good. um when they're With the exams, like, you know, the with the next chapter, um obviously I want to see a montage of the actual exams, but when Harry's in the the history of magic exam and he's talking about how, or hit in his internal monologue, he's like remembering when he, Florine Fortescue was telling him about all of the stuff with the the medieval whatever, like I can't remember.
00:43:07
Speaker
But um when he was at the beginning of the book, when he was living in Diagon Alley for a couple weeks, and um so he kind of reminisces on the shop owner telling him all of these things, and they were very helpful for his History of Magic exam. So I'd love to see a little flashback to him sitting at the ice cream shop and talking with the shop owner about that. I think that would be really cute.
Harry's Skills in Defense Against the Dark Arts
00:43:30
Speaker
That would. Doing his callbacks. Mm-hmm.
00:43:34
Speaker
um And then I think that it's ah it's important for the TV show to really showcase Harry being super good at defense against the dark arts, because that's something that's really important in the the book series, is that you know Harry and Ron both struggle with a lot of the school stuff. I mean, they're average, but there's a lot of times where they really struggle. and um And then of course with Hermione having everything be so easy for her with school, you know you really see that disparity, but he like,
00:44:03
Speaker
he's so good at Defense Against the Dark Arts stuff, it's really natural for him, but he also has, of course, a very personal reason why Defense Against the Dark Arts is um important to him to excel at, but then also he becomes an Auror after he leaves Hogwarts and defeats Voldemort and all of that, and like that's important, and they just you know forget all of that in the films, and so I think it's important for them to show that like as he's growing up through school,
00:44:32
Speaker
It's like just killing it every time he's in a Defense Against the Dark Arts exam situation. Yeah, I agree. Me too. Alright. Alright, who wants to give their pleasure first? So, Peeve's pleasure. What we liked about the adaptation. Miggs, what do you think? I guess, Hermione.
00:45:01
Speaker
Punching Malfoy. It's really hard. This movie is really hard for me to pick pleasures and salutes because I have to like not really appreciate them as adaptations. It's more like she probably loved doing that scene. And so that was probably really fun for all of them. So I'm going to go with that one. Emma Watson has gone on and interviewed about how she enjoyed doing the punching scene.
00:45:30
Speaker
I wrote down Hermione hitting Draco as well. So James, what about you? My peeve's pleasure.
00:45:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's going to have to be that one too, actually. but okay it There wasn't much else to please, huh? Well, I mean, I think just out of the entire scene section of the movie, that's just the funnest part. And it just is the one that stands out compared to everything else where it's Uh, it's more of a like, you're getting through the moment before you get to the moment kind of scenario. So I think that's why it stands out. Yeah. All right. Pee's peeves. Leaving out Quidditch. I mean.
00:46:25
Speaker
Yeah, that's like the internal peeves peeve of the entire series. It's just like what's so frustrating especially with this like with the Quidditch final and like I get teary-eyed every time I read it or listen to this scene because it's so it means so much to them and Harry has so few good things in his life and like he even says that like as you know they he was holding up the Quidditch Cup and stuff like that you know he could produce the world's biggest Patronus and like obviously anybody would be happy in that situation but that's like legitimately his happiest memory is winning a Quidditch Cup.
Harry's Happiest Memory: The Quidditch Cup
00:47:06
Speaker
Like he doesn't have a lot to pull from. And so leaving out like the main good thing that has happened to him is really upsetting to me. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
00:47:20
Speaker
Um, my peeves peeve is Hermione quitting divination and the way it played out in the film. And Meeks, you said earlier that they really have asked the scene and I agree 100%. First of all,
00:47:36
Speaker
the In the book, um Trilani is the one that calls out the Grimm and Hermione is all like, oh, for God's sake, like, come on. And that's when she quits because she's just so fed up with this whole Trilani persona. um And then in the film. She pops in and and you we know now that she like pops in from the um time turner and then she's like oh let me try oh it's the grim right and she just kind of gives off this like snooty vibe and then um and and it's like she says the grim because she knows that's what trilani is gonna say and um trilani is like oh like i knew the moment you stepped in that you didn't have what it takes to be in the divination um and
00:48:36
Speaker
yeah Her minis, I don't know. Like, Emma's acting, and I just think, is weird in the scene, maybe. I don't know, but something is just really off about it. And then she gets mad that she... I don't know. It just seems so weird. I didn't like it. And that is my peeve peeve. Alright.
00:48:57
Speaker
Decent peeve peeve right there. ah What is yours, James? Mine...
00:49:05
Speaker
McNair sharpening his axe o that's a good in the courtyard. it is a good one'm kind of just going
00:49:19
Speaker
like That whole sharpening-type thing of just like, yeah, you know what I'm gonna do. Like, okay, what? Are you trying to be intimidating? Are you trying to be... Like, what's the point of what we're going here? Yes, you're chopping off Big's head. I don't think we need to be literally chopping off the head here. like like this just it felt It felt like, yes, this is what's happening and you can't stop it. And it's just like throwing it in our faces kind of scenario.
00:49:55
Speaker
and i mean that you You could have had the same message done with him coming down with Fudge and Dumbledore, and that being the first time we see him and him having the giant axe. Sure. Did it have to be a giant axe? Probably not. I mean, it is a hippogriff, but at the same time, like...
00:50:21
Speaker
He did not need to send a message that this is the guy that's gonna execute Buckbeak and he's gonna die! like we did this they Dramatic! There you go. That's the word. I hate that we use it all the time, but...
00:50:38
Speaker
I'm saying it anyways. It was overly dramatic and it just didn't need to be. And it just, it would have been fine for him to show up with Fudge and Dumbledore and him being that intimidating persona that Harry, Ron and Hermione can see in the background as he's walking down the hill kind of scenario. You know what I mean? So yes it was, yeah it was two to three minutes worth of content that wasn't needed in the film and could have been put some rest.
00:51:09
Speaker
h Yeah, and it was and the way that they portrayed him was really weird anyway because it was different than the book like he's he just seems like a totally different character in the book and so that's always just annoying when they do that. Can you remind me how he was described in the book because I don't really recall? He was like um he had they she described him as like having a mustache and being kind of like oh kind of like um I don't know. just he was like a He was like a creature in the movie. yeah He's like a like a normal man with a mustache and you know like a but almost like a normal person that you would see, but in the movie they turned him into like a... It's also interesting that they would have an axe. You would think the magical world would have a magical way to... assassinate their magical creature. That's really interesting. I never thought about that. I didn't until right now we were talking about how creepy he was and sharpening she like drawing attention to sharpening the ax. I'm like, wait, why do they even have an ax?
00:52:15
Speaker
Yeah, in the in the book he just kind of he has his axe like in his belt loop or whatever something or I'm sure like a sheath and um He just like runs his thumb on the edge of it and you just yes I think you just see the little glint of it or whatever so it's really subtle and then yeah he's like this so like there is no way that they would just have a like a creepy like, creature just sitting in the middle of the courtyard at a children's school sharpening this gigantic axe, like, before it's about to kill one of the creatures that all of the students met. Like, there's no way that that would... Well, I shouldn't say that, because this is Hogwarts. Right.
00:53:01
Speaker
All right, then. Do we have any Weasley salutes? I mean, I wrote Buckbeak just so I would write something. I wrote, it was humorous.
00:53:24
Speaker
Saturday? Yeah, I wrote Buckbeak just so I would have something. Wow, we're really underwhelmed today.
00:53:35
Speaker
ah My Weasley salute, and we we talked about this a bit already in the episode, so I won't go into too long, but my Weasley salute is actually Hermione. Because I think this is like the first time we actually get...
00:53:56
Speaker
a picture of how stressed out she actually is and how much she's putting, trying to
Hermione's Academic Achievements
00:54:03
Speaker
put on her plate. And like the goals that she wants to accomplish, but the path that she's taking to get there obviously is a lot for her. But like to still do that at her age and know what she wants, but like at the same time try and accomplish it and successfully do so. I think, you know,
00:54:22
Speaker
Even though she cut some of the classes later down the road, like she I think she passed all of them. Right. And of course she dropped divination, but like obviously that was for different reasons and stuff like that. But like out of all of her classes, she passed, she passed them all with like high marks and she made it all the way to the bog art and she, she made it all the way to the bog art. And yeah, I didn't necessarily do too well against the bog art, but like she made it all the way to the end. Right. And so it's like.
00:54:54
Speaker
the We don't. we We always get told that she's the smartest person in the world. at least according to Harry's perspective. And we we get told that she's like you know super intelligent and like it's always told, but it's never shown. And I feel like the movies don't do this enough where they show her intelligence instead of telling us her intelligence. Because the movies tell us that she's smart, but I don't necessarily think that they show us all the time.
00:55:26
Speaker
They show us here and there, there are moments where like you know when she repairs the glasses before they even start learning any spells. like that's pretty like That's pretty spot on ah with where her intelligence is at. But like throughout the series of movies, like do they really do that? but like and Probably not, but JK Rowling in the books does a really good job of showing us these. And this these two chapters do a really good job of, yeah, she's stressed and she's falling apart a little bit because she's overworking herself. but like
00:56:04
Speaker
I wouldn't be able to do that, even if I wanted to. like like That's just like that amount of effort to go through all of that stuff. like i wouldn't I wouldn't have lasted all year. She's in June. She's done this for an entire school year, and now she's falling apart.
00:56:26
Speaker
towards the end. Like that's a lot of stamina and willpower and all that stuff being put to the test. And that's just impressive. So I think Hermione as a character deserves the Weasley salute this time around because just we we don't get enough of her being shown how intelligent she is. And this is just one of those moments.
00:56:51
Speaker
All right, you know what? You've convinced me. My salute is changing from Buckbeak to Hermione.
00:57:03
Speaker
All right, anything else before we close up today? I think I'm good. Hey, well, thank you for causing havoc with us today. Next time we will be gabbing about you guessed it, Quidditch. We gave you a little bit of a preview about what we're we're going to be talking about next. We're going to bring on some lovely people that we know ah that have really big opinions about Quidditch, and we're going to kind of just figure out if it's ah if it's an actual sport or not, and more. So just stay tuned for that episode. But ah for now, Sarah Day Meigs, where can our listeners find you guys?
00:57:50
Speaker
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00:59:20
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Okay, we can stop the recording, right?