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Werewolves within Raccoon City
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Last episode of year bringing you talk of Werewolves within and Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City. (Spoilers)
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Welcome and New Year Plans
00:00:04
Speaker
Welcome. For real. All right. Welcome back to Pride Central. I'm Doc. I'm back here again with Keck. Happy New Year, man. Happy New Year. I should have this up by the new year. Probably get it up tomorrow, if anything.
00:00:30
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, I should have it up before Friday. But anyway, uh, yes, we were going to do, um, Resident Evil and Ghostbusters, but, uh, Kek, since you still haven't seen Ghostbusters, I could talk a little bit about it without spoiling it, but I'd rather you just, uh, watch it. Yeah, you were like real insistent that like, you know, to spoil it would be like a fucking travesty.
'Werewolves Within' Discussion
00:00:49
Speaker
Like I want to talk about it. And I, I guess I could talk about it without spoiling it, but like.
00:00:57
Speaker
I feel like you should just see it, then we can come back. Whatever. We have a substitute movie that's called was it werewolf or werewolves within werewolves within.
00:01:06
Speaker
werewolves within. Yeah, it's basically a small town, and I'm not sure where, do you remember where the small town was? I feel like, well, they were talking, I thought it was like Montana, because like, when I've been out in Montana, which I've been out quite a bit in the last two years, everybody's talking about the Keystone Pipeline, and they kept making references to the pipeline.
00:01:35
Speaker
I think it was like Montana or like, it was somewhere in that area. I don't know if it, I think it was on, it was on the American side because Canada also, so I think it was like Montana or, um,
00:01:52
Speaker
I don't know, maybe one of the Dakotas. No. Yeah, I know it's a fictional town, but I thought it was like I thought it was either like the east or west. Yeah. Yeah. But it's basically about a small town that has a proposed gas pipeline and there's divisions within the small town. Then they get snowed in and there's a new forest ranger that's come to town and then there's been like a murder
00:02:15
Speaker
And then a dog is gone missing. And like so. And basically the people are, you know, going against each other. And it turns out one of them is a werewolf. So, I mean, it's in the title. So I guess it's inaccurate to say werewolves within. Yeah, because it was only one where I just felt like the werewolf within. Yeah. But it's basically a who done it, you know, like kind of like clue. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't I mean,
00:02:45
Speaker
a werewolf movie where people are getting murdered. I guess you could technically call that horror and we're going to do it for this. But I mean, it's not in any way, shape or form a scary movie. Yeah, it's definitely like comedy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? You know, it reminded me of that other movie. I'm not sure if they came out this year or the year before. A Wolf of Snow Hollow.
00:03:07
Speaker
I think I talked about it a little bit on the on the cast but uh but that was basically like a small town and there's been some murders and like the cops investigating and uh he's he starts getting he's like there aren't anything there's no such thing as werewolves and everyone keeps still like telling them it's a werewolf uh but that was played more straight and more horror yeah
00:03:30
Speaker
So it kind of reminded me of that. And this one was like the comedy version of that. But like, I want to say I really enjoyed this movie, but I think the only thing I didn't like was probably the transformation at the end. And I don't want to spoil who it was. I think we could talk about the movie without saying who the
00:03:50
Speaker
who the werewolf is, right? I was under the opinion, and I mean, like, we've pretty much set a standard of doing this. This cast is not spoiler free. Yeah, but I mean, I feel like we could talk about this movie without, you know, saying who the werewolf is, right?
00:04:11
Speaker
I just think that like we should not be like I assume that like everybody that listens to this like has already seen or I'm just saying we've like already set a standard of constant. Yeah, I just feel like most of the stuff we've talked about and spoiled are kind of bigger movies. We binge watch what we binged watch dark.
00:04:34
Speaker
and then like went over the entire thing like the next day after it happened and basically got into it and i believe like dark which you can't talk about dark without spoiling it.
00:04:50
Speaker
I'm just saying, like, I thought dark was one of our most incoherent podcasts. Yeah. And ironically, more people have listened to any other one.
Video Game Origins and Cast
00:05:02
Speaker
And we spoiled the fuck out of it. So I mean, I think I think that was also people trying to, you know, help
00:05:09
Speaker
figure out what happened in that show themselves. So like somebody else to talk them through it as well. Such like incoherent dribble in the show that like they listened to us and they were like, huh, they're incoherent dribble, like actually matches up to the incoherent dribble that was going on in my head surrounding themselves. It all sort of makes sense. Yeah, I think it was people looking for answers. I don't think like
00:05:35
Speaker
you know, people are kind of like, I don't know. Where was within this kind of a more independent feature that's like only been on VOD this year. It hasn't been out like available streaming or in theaters. So I could see like it being a little more like Resident Evil has been out theaters and it's about to be on VOD. But like, honestly, I don't think people give that much of shit about it. And there's nothing really spoiler in it because it's just like the game. You know what I mean? So I didn't know it was based on the game.
00:06:02
Speaker
No, I meant Resident Evil was a game, but yes, werewolves within is a is a game as well. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it actually kind of fits in that we do, but a double game within the Resident Evil because and the game that werewolves within is based on is that called werewolves within the game? Yes. I have never heard of that before.
00:06:26
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't either until this movie came out and like, I kept hearing reviews that like, Oh, uh, there's, uh, it's based on this game and it's a, people were like, Oh, the game's actually a really good. Let's see. It's a, uh, platforms is now for, is a PC only game. Oh no. I see. It's a multiplayer VR game for the Oculus rift, the vibe, the PlayStation VR.
00:06:50
Speaker
So you play that's probably why I've never heard. Yeah, that's not really my scene. Yeah, but it's the game set in a medieval fantasy town that is being attacked by a werewolf and players are tasked to guess which one of the townsfolk in the world is the werewolf in disguise in a mafia style format. This came out in. 2020. I know that's the story that was the film, it came out in 2016.
00:07:17
Speaker
Wait, I'm sorry, the description was, so wait, it's like, sort of like, was that old Carmen Sandiego? Like where in the world's Carmen Sandiego? Like it's like a mystery type game, like- Yeah, it's kind of, it's basically just like the movie was, it's a whodunit. It's like one of the townsfolk is a werewolf and your job is to try to figure out which one of the townsfolk it is. Yeah.
00:07:46
Speaker
So yeah, so it's like a multi player. I believe in rural Montana. A I don't know if it was supposed to be a throwback or like a I don't know if it was intended, but like I kind of got like a weird like moment of like blazing saddles in my head.
00:08:07
Speaker
as well with the black sheriff. Yeah, I think he's the I think he was the only black guy in the entire movie.
Comedy-Horror Analysis
00:08:16
Speaker
And that's why I kind of like, you know, associate it with blazing saddles, because that was a thing like the new sheriff comes to town and he's like sort of like an outsider in a very, very conservative like community like
00:08:34
Speaker
who are all like bent up republicans talking about god damn liberals and the fucking keystone pipeline not going through and like you know what I mean but um I don't know the actor that played the sheriff he looks very familiar to me but I could not place him into anything else he has been in but uh I really like this character
00:09:00
Speaker
Yeah, I forget what else I'd seen him. But yeah, he was he was fantastic. There were the other guy that I recognized was the the I guess the Spanish the one of the gay guys, not the tall white guy, but the other guy, the guy whose husband gets killed.
00:09:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, he he was in he's the he plays Guillermo and what we do in the shadows TV series. And he's fucking great. And I thought he was really good in this. Yeah, I did. I did recognize him, but I could not place him on the other guy that I remember that. Well, I've seen him in like multiple things now, but what I liked him in the most was the Amazon Prime show Patriot. He was the the wall.
00:09:50
Speaker
I would say chubby, but he's quite fat. Who like was he gets his like hand ripped off and like he was like the guy in the shadows. He was like, because I'm a werewolf, maybe I ate my own hand. And they're like, you didn't eat your hand. Do you know who I'm talking about? No, I didn't see Patriot. So.
00:10:12
Speaker
No, but you know, the actor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I've seen him in several. No, not the one that played Guillermo, the fat white guy, the one that gets his hand ripped off. Oh, that dude who's like hitting on the who's hitting on the male male lady. Yeah. And you think you think that at one point you think that he's revealing himself to be the werewolf in the corner and he turns and he's like,
00:10:41
Speaker
I'm a werewolf. And then all of a sudden, then he's like, no, I'm not really. And he's obviously out of his fucking mind. But yeah, I don't know. I thought the movie was going to go in a few different directions at one point. I thought it was going to venture off into some new absurdity. But it actually kept it pretty consistent in the winning
00:11:07
Speaker
clue like format, you know what I mean? Yeah, things around like, you know, it was supposed to be like a quirky wacky movie, but it never got like buck wildly absurd. You know, I mean, it was like very easy to follow, very coherent, like, you know, linear plot. And I kind of guessed who the werewolf was, like,
00:11:33
Speaker
fairly early on. I would say immediately. As soon as that character showed up on screen, I was like, yeah. I did not immediately guess who the werewolf was, but I would say I guessed fairly early on. But like, in my opinion, I don't think that they made it like
00:11:55
Speaker
obvious. No, I don't think they made it obvious either. I thought they did a pretty good job of, uh, of hiding it. It was just like, that was just, I was like, I'm going to make a guess. Like, as soon as I start to see all the characters and then like, once I saw all the characters, I made a decision on my, on my pick and it turned out to right, to be right. So it wasn't a matter of like them hiding it well or not. It was just like, I'm going to randomly choose a person who I kind of feel is going to be like the least likely. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:25
Speaker
I was like the least likely person is probably the one to be it. You know what I mean?
00:12:30
Speaker
Now, the one that you recognized as Guillermo, his name is Harvey Guillen. Am I reading that? Yes, yes. Is it Guillen or Guillen? Oh, I don't know how to pronounce it. Which the guy I was talking about, that place, Pete Anderson, the one that like gets his hand ripped off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is Michael. God damn it. I'm having trouble with these last names, Michael. Yeah, I think that's how you say it. And then
00:12:56
Speaker
The guy who I would just, you know, like that guy, he played Sam Parker. His name is Wayne Duvall. I've seen him in like a lot of different things. The dude who played Marcus, George Bazell. I've seen him a couple things too. I thought he was really great.
Spoilers and Audience Reception
00:13:10
Speaker
He was like the wild trucker boyfriend guy of the guy of the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.
00:13:17
Speaker
of the chick who was like, they met, she was looking for the fuel injector, that girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And notable mention, just Glenn Fleischer, the guy that plays like the fucking dude that like, they wanted you to think he was the werewolf. Oh, the dude that was in the cabin?
00:13:41
Speaker
Yeah, Emerson, he's like wearing like he's wearing like a bear suit that he like made like a crazy like fucking alt right. Like not like to not do like fucking like, you know, the type of guy lands. Yeah. Yeah. He'll shoot you like he'll blow your foot off if you step one foot on his property. I really, I really like him. He's like a very, very versatile actor.
00:14:08
Speaker
Yeah, he was really good. I liked his like, even though it was just a small little like in Hannibal. Right. No, no, this. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were going to say Hannibal because he has a very small part in the Hannibal TV series where he plays. I think his name was like Odell or something. And he's the guy that's going to cut off Will Graham's face.
00:14:33
Speaker
Oh yeah I think he was only in like one episode he played the uh haggard dude's like assistant but I love him he's like extremely versatile I've seen him in several horror movies I saw him in like the Scorsese uh boardwalk empire
00:14:50
Speaker
And he was great in that and then he's even then he plays a lawyer in billions like a big corporate lawyer. So he's just like an extremely versatile actor I like everything he does like I, I've never seen him in this kind of role before and I didn't recognize them at first.
00:15:08
Speaker
until i heard his voice because he's wearing like full bear suit yeah it's not like a blaring shotgun and the lead that we were talking about um the uh sherif fidd and wheeler well he's not actually a sheriff he's a forest ranger trooper yeah like yeah sam fergus uh sam richardson excuse me name
00:15:27
Speaker
And then the female lead who I first recognized from the show Silicon Valley who had a very small part. I think she was only in it for one episode. She played Guilfoyle's satanic girlfriend. She was like a saint worshipper because well Guilfoyle's also a
00:15:47
Speaker
say in this and i she's a gorgeous woman i have not seen her in many things since then i was just reading her bio she's like very interesting she like was born in ussr and new beca stan and her name is
00:16:04
Speaker
Milana, Milana, I'm not even going to try to butcher this. If you're interested in seeing like her stories, like pretty interesting. She started as like just a YouTube personality and like was like discovered from there and then like became a standup comedian. And like, you know, now is, you know, starring in lead roles in big Hollywood movies.
00:16:30
Speaker
So I'm not going to even butcher her last name. I respect her too much. So if you're interested, you can look up this movie on IMDB and you will see she plays Cecily Moore. And she, well, I'm just going to say it. She's the werewolf. So.
00:16:55
Speaker
So there you go. I overruled you, Doc. I guess you're ruined. Do you think do you think the movie actually would have been better if there was no werewolf?
00:17:09
Speaker
I actually cut. Well, I suspected her. I wasn't 100 percent sure. No, I'm saying what if they're like, do you think the movie would be better if there was no where I was about to get to that. I expected her early on as the werewolf. And I knew it wasn't, you know, the crazy guy in the fucking bear suit because
00:17:31
Speaker
they wanted you to think it was him so I knew it wasn't him but then as the movie went on I kind of thought maybe I was wrong about her because I was like oh I get it there actually is nowhere
00:17:46
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's what I thought. And like, I think that would have actually and obviously you thought the same thing that it was on a clever route if they took it that way. Yeah, I thought it would have been more interesting, especially, especially since that transformation was pretty terrible. Like, yeah, yeah. Like that. That was my biggest flaw with that movie. I was like, after all these great, you know, Trump wolf transformations we've gotten in the past, like,
00:18:13
Speaker
like how they keep still fucking up transformations is like beyond me. Yeah. I'm not exactly sure. Like, well, I don't know if that was done like intentionally bad because if they were going for intentionally bad, they succeeded. I don't know. I mean, if you're going to go intentionally bad, you should probably like purposely
00:18:37
Speaker
I don't know. I think you need to make it look more ridiculous. Like a little over the top. Almost, yeah. Because that would just look like bad, bad, and not like over the top bad. I don't know. Whatever it was, it was bad. But I will say this, like just, you know, obviously like
00:18:56
Speaker
We don't have to really harp too much more on this movie because, you know, there's not a lot to talk about, but I had just checked like some of the reviews of this movie before we watched it a little bit on Reddit, some of the IMDB forums and then of course the IMDB rating. And as we were discussing right before the cast,
00:19:15
Speaker
I don't really think the IMDB community really understands horror all that well, especially not like comedy satirical horror. Like, you know what I mean? Like Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, Newest Colony of the Dead, like shit like that. And I had seen like a lot of the critic and user reviews like being pretty poor for this movie. I was really pleasantly surprised. I really enjoyed this. Yeah.
00:19:43
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. There needs to be a separate voting thing just for horror fans. Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing. I mean, the same thing I would like to see, like Internet, maybe database do, is I like, for television too, I would like you to be able to rate by the season.
00:20:08
Speaker
rather than the show. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because that's a thing I've heard like a lot of fans say that I know on TV time you can even you can you can rate it by episode. So that's what I like. I am. I am DB also rates by episode. Okay.
00:20:30
Speaker
You click like you go to a full season instead of writing an episode. Yeah, I'd like to see them. I mean, if you have it broken down so that you can have individual episodes rated, which they do, you click on if you're not familiar with, you go on the page for the show, you click episode guide, you select your season and you'll see a rating next to each episode individually. So if you're going to do that, why can't you have the show rated by the season?
00:21:00
Speaker
Yeah, like, you know, I think it would really, really help because I got to tell you like in television series, whether it's horror or whatever I like fucking
00:21:15
Speaker
a show can really go from great to terrible in a single stride between seasons and like I've seen some like Goliath like went from a courtroom drama to a weird sci-fi fucking fetish horror thing which is just like and so I really would like them to do it but um
00:21:36
Speaker
Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, I really enjoyed the movie. It was a sleeper.
Comparisons and Recommendations
00:21:43
Speaker
I had not heard of it. You told me about it. You know, we kind of had it placed in as like sort of like an emergency last minute replacement. I just watched it this afternoon. I watched it yesterday. Yeah, I really enjoy it. I would highly recommend this movie.
00:21:59
Speaker
I thought they did really well. The only thing I would say, aside from some of the quirky, ridiculousness that we've already described, if you're looking for a good, I realize we're fright central, we're everything hard, if you're looking for
00:22:16
Speaker
a hardcore. This isn't really in any way hard. There's no scares to this movie whatsoever. If you're scared of this, maybe you're a real pussy. So, you know, this is this is a common, you know what I mean? But it's you know, it's it's a it's a funny like horror theme comedy. And but yeah, I think you hit the nail right on the head. I would have liked to see it if there was actually no werewolf. Yeah, it was just like her being nuts and like
00:22:46
Speaker
trying to like you know just sabotage the town because she did it for fun like she'd like like um like the pretty ones are always the crazy ones like like like heathers when christian slater just likes to come into towns calls destruction you know like kind of like that type of situation
00:23:06
Speaker
Well, I don't I don't know if Christian Slayer necessarily like came into that town too. I mean, he like moved there like it was a choice. Yeah. Like he was his like psychotic father. I mean, it's kind of a similar thing where he came to town and like just kind of got got everyone at each other, you know.
00:23:27
Speaker
Yeah, well, I mean, I was the type of guy that like whenever I went to a new school or like changed schools, like because like I was going to a higher grade, the first thing I would do, like rather than like make friends is like fuck with people to see like what kind of people I was going to get along with and not get along with. So like, you know, I mean, I want to see what type of people I dug my sense of like, you know, dark humor and
00:23:53
Speaker
that way i would be able to quickly identify friends and yeah that was christian's like uh god i could go into talking about heart we were actually talking about that scene the other day how um when he brings the 357 magnum to school and shoots it at both of those guys but he's using blanks
00:24:14
Speaker
how like he like didn't even get suspended. He just got like sent home. We were talking about how like you're never going to see that today because like school shootings happen on a daily basis. All right. We've got a really off topic here. Yeah, I know. But you mentioned Heather's. I had that scene we're talking about. But anyway, yeah, werewolves within really fun. It was a changeup movie. I haven't really seen like a clue like movie like that in a while.
00:24:43
Speaker
I went into it totally blind had no idea what it was about and I really liked it but yeah so if you like clue you like if you like knives out if I think you'll like werewolves within knives out was much better done but yeah oh yeah yeah well I'm saying if you like that similar type of movie yeah obviously but you have anything else to
Resident Evil Reboot Discussion
00:25:04
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add there
00:25:04
Speaker
No, no, that was it for for that. I mean, the guy's previous movies scare me. I haven't seen yet, but that came out the year before. It's basically like two people get trapped in a cabin and they just tell scary stories to each other. That got a pretty decent reviews as well. But I can't tell you anything about it because that one I haven't watched yet, but I'm definitely going to check that out as well since I liked the werewolves within. So. Yeah, that's about that.
00:25:34
Speaker
Moving on, Resident Evil. Resident Evil, yes. So, not a sequel to the six, sometimes Paul Anderson directed movies, but a complete reboot. Oh, and it's different and it's not the same as the upcoming Resident Evil TV series that's coming to Netflix.
00:25:58
Speaker
Yeah, that's completely separate as well. First of all, let's just say Mila Jovovich was not in this Resident Evil. Nothing against her. But thank God she was not in it. And it wasn't part of the
00:26:15
Speaker
five, six. Well, the first Resident Evil, I'm counting as separate five equals equals that she did. It was nothing against her because I don't believe she wrote or directed any of the other movies. I'm pretty sure she just acted in them. And
00:26:38
Speaker
Yeah, I got to tell you, I thought they were all absolutely complete pieces of shit. I wasn't actually a big fan of the first Resident Evil that she was in, but I thought it was at least a decent movie. Yeah. Like I enjoyed the first Resident Evil. They totally rebooted it. And I don't really know if they did the. You said that they when they market this movie, they made it very clear that it was based on the game.
00:27:06
Speaker
Yeah, all the stuff that I read from like the director talking about it or anybody talking about they're like, this is going to be back to its gaming roots. It's going to be much closer to the game. And like all the stuff that like they were putting out was like, hey, look at this shot. It's just like, here's the police station. Yeah, it's like the game. So, yeah, I feel like they they promote it. But yeah, they should have been just called Resident Evil. We were rebooting this game. It's close to the game. I would have just called it Resident Evil the game.
00:27:35
Speaker
The movie? I would just send like Resident Evil the game. The movie. Like the subtitle would be Resident Evil the game. That's odd. Like I guess what I'm saying is I don't think they market it well enough because. This Resident Evil was basically a collection of cut scenes from Resident Evil one.
00:28:04
Speaker
Then Resident Evil 2, and then I believe after Resident Evil 2, I'm not sure. I think there was then Resident Evil 3, and then I think started out a little bit of three. And then it went back. Then they did, I believe, a prequel that was Resident Evil zero.
00:28:25
Speaker
I think Resident Evil 0 came out before Resident Evil 4. Oh, I thought you were telling me which ones that they were like close to the game. Yeah. Well, no, I'm saying like it seemed like they took well, they took characters from Resident Evil 1, 2, 3 and Resident Evil 0. Resident Evil 0, I believe, is the prequel to Resident Evil, which is why it's called 0. Real clever.
00:28:54
Speaker
Um, but, um, yeah, my, uh, my, my, my take on this movie was like, what a good piece of shit. Like, wow, that's really close to the games, but it's not a very good movie. Like, yeah, no, I mean, first off, let me just say like something I thought was really good. Like.
00:29:19
Speaker
the character acting for the most part, like, was good. I really liked the guy that played Wesker. He's someone that you would recognize if you're a fan of the Star Series Black Flag. He played Billy. He's also... I'm sorry. No. Who else was he? Oh, he's also an Umbrella Academy.
00:29:42
Speaker
I started watching that and then I found that it was based on a comic and it stopped immediately. But yeah, you recognize him from Black Sails, the star show. He was Billy. He's a very like key character. He was great as Wesker. The actress that played Claire and the actress that played her brother, Chris, were spot on.
00:30:10
Speaker
Like they were like the perfect film adaptations of the game characters. They looked and acted exactly like them. I was very impressed with that. And I also really liked the actor they got to play Leon.
00:30:28
Speaker
He, again, like was a carbon copy like they really studied the characters from the games well and he played the perfect and like a lot of people don't remember because Leon turns into such a badass later on.
00:30:43
Speaker
in the Resident Evil games but he starts off as like a joke who accidentally shoots his partner and everybody busts his balls and then somehow like almost overnight he turns into like a fucking zombie slaying powerhouse which uh but hey it worked really well for the games and they did a good job in the movie I really liked the um character acting however there was also some really appalling actors
00:31:11
Speaker
Yeah. Not really. I mean, I was just gonna talk about like the, the, some of the story I didn't like was the, uh, like it didn't need that intro with like them in the, the, the hospital or the, you know, the, um, orphanage. Yeah. The orphanage. Sorry. And that, that one little like girl who like climbs through the wall stuff
00:31:35
Speaker
Like that was such an unnecessary character. And I was like, it didn't need this at all. It was from the game. They were trying to do something from the game, but you know, it just didn't fit.
00:31:47
Speaker
Yeah, interesting enough, that character I don't even believe is in the early video game. So I'm not really sure why they did that either. And you just get like a quick look at like what was supposed to be her character in like this folder before you never see her again. And it was like, yeah, like the whole time I was like, man, like we're we're all like, man, we just want them to solve a puzzle to get those keys. Like,
00:32:12
Speaker
instead of just being handed the keys by the creature when they go back to the orphanage. I was kind of wishing they had to solve a puzzle or move a statue or something like that. That would have made the movie so much better. I was so disappointed that they didn't solve any puzzles. Yeah. I mean, like, well, I guess Wesker kind of solved the piano puzzle, but he also was not really because they were giving him instructions on a bomb pilot.
00:32:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, well, I will say this also the set, the police station, like, I thought that looked beautiful. Yeah. Like, really fucking wonderful.
00:32:55
Speaker
Um, I liked how they entered the mansion, right? I mean, the comparison between the game and this movie was excellent. They did a really stellar job recapturing the game on film, but that's not really what makes a good movie necessarily. And I thought they could have, I thought like the first
00:33:23
Speaker
about 50 minutes of the movie, I really liked. I was like, all right, I'm really interesting.
Critiques and Praise
00:33:31
Speaker
And I'm really interested in seeing where this is going to go, because you had kind of hinted to me that, like, you thought the movie was pretty much shit. And I was thinking, like, wow, that's really weird. Like, usually when Doc thinks a movie is shit, it's like a flaming pile of shit. So like, why am I not like disliking this? Then I
00:33:53
Speaker
kind of discovered why it's just like in the beginning when they were talking about how it was something in the water and you see that woman and her son like that looked like they were rotting she wrote in blood itchy tasty on the window and i was like oh man like this shit's gonna be tight and uh
00:34:15
Speaker
How about the lady at the diner was like, oh, your eye is bleeding. You're like, yeah, it's fine. It'll be fine. And she seemed like totally normal. And I mean, that was kind of what happened in Raccoon City. Yeah. People like were my eyes bleeding. Yeah. You'll be fine.
00:34:34
Speaker
yeah but that whole and but there is some like bullshit about like how the cops were like getting like injections in their water or they were receiving different water than everyone like there was a lot of stuff that they threw in that maybe that had nothing to do with the games and i i still don't understand like where that fucking creeper came from like the nemesis creature that like gets out like
00:35:00
Speaker
The crawlers that, you know, they came out of nowhere. Yeah, they weren't introduced that well. They just come out of nowhere. Like suddenly suddenly it goes. Yeah, but suddenly it goes from like zombies to like these creatures with like no type of in between or anything. Yeah. And the original Resident Evil, Miele Djokovic, like they show like the nemesis creature, like breaking out of. I don't know if it's if it's actually the nemesis.
00:35:28
Speaker
No, the the liquors, I think they like they get like deformed. You like watch them like you kind of see how the evolution of the zombie like T virus happens. Yeah. And there's no real you don't see that in this. In the first movie with Neil Jovovich, they show it escaping from a tank.
00:35:46
Speaker
where it was like being engineered and stuff like that. That came like later on that was like part of like the experiments that Umbrella was doing like once like they started unleashing their evil that was like an evolution of their experiments that didn't come like right in the beginning so like it was really well based on the game but like then they
00:36:13
Speaker
did things that like had nothing like that were totally out of sequential order so that's why it was interesting it was such a good complete pile of shit i really like i did like it when you were talking about pampa i liked how they brought up the map and i was like oh they brought the map and it looked just like the video game
00:36:34
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was fucking great. You know, I liked when Leon's just sitting in the police office, police station listening to music and then like where he's passed out and like fucking the tanker explodes and that he just walks in on fire. Yeah, he's just sitting there like fast.
00:36:55
Speaker
But that was a great scene. Now, another note, when I was talking about the appalling acting, the guy that played the chief of police, I recognized him from a lot of different things. I've seen him do movies. I've seen him do television like the X-Files. I can't think of his name off the top of my head, but I've seen him in dozens of things. Yeah, I've seen him a bunch of stuff too.
00:37:23
Speaker
I like him as he was in a full he was a real badass character I think in season three or four of sons of anarchy he was like a real fucking badass like ATF agent or something like that.
00:37:39
Speaker
I don't know what the hell happened, but like his acting was really poor. We could be at home. We could have gotten a movie for Blockbuster. Like I can't imagine a director seeing that scene and not like being like, all right, cut, but rather the director saw that and was like, cut print. Yeah. Like, you know, moving on. Yeah.
00:38:05
Speaker
There was a dude in our theater that like when he said, we could be getting blockbuster. The dude just goes, blockbuster. And like every one of these are cracking up.
00:38:15
Speaker
This is such a dating reference. I know it takes place in 98, but it's still such a dated fucking reference. Like I'm just saying, like his the acting was just bad. He was having a very, very off moment. Like I would think that like they would have like, you know, fucking cut like take five and like the director would pull them aside and they're like, hey, man, like, are you feeling OK?
00:38:41
Speaker
You know, like it was just he was just really fucking off. His name is, by the way, God damn it, the names tonight, your name, Donald Loug.
00:38:56
Speaker
D-O-N-A-L, and then L-O-G-U-E, Donald, I don't know, but I know him from a fucking ton of shit. He was in Gotham, Sons of Anarchy, fucking, oh, he was in one of the Silent Night remakes. He was in the show House, fucking, Zodiac, he was in The X-Files.
00:39:26
Speaker
yeah yeah our boy uh our boy Neil our boy Neil from ravenous the war heroes and oh yeah and i i love that actor yeah he was great and banned the brothers and stuff like that they didn't really give him very much to work with no they probably could have just left his character out completely as well like he almost wasn't really needed
00:39:48
Speaker
I mean, from the game, he was like, I mean, that did happen in the game. Yeah, I'm just talking about in this movie, though, you know, sometimes you got to just make cuts, even if it's from the game. You know what I mean? Like, you can't just put everything from the game, even if it doesn't make sense. Like you were saying, like, yeah. And he also hit in the game, he was like not a guy that like wanted to go back and get his. He was like kind of a guy that did like horrible shit.
00:40:16
Speaker
And like he he was trying to like get out. He didn't want to get like he wanted to cover up the shit he did and like he kind of became a monster by like accident, like trying to escape instead like he went back to like,
00:40:34
Speaker
get his shit even though they told him the entire town was going to be destroyed like in the game he was like yeah let's like wipe everything out and start anew he wasn't like trying to like go back and he definitely wasn't like trying to like inject himself with the virus yeah it was just like real yeah his character did not need to be included
00:40:55
Speaker
yeah i didn't like i didn't like the uh how they destroyed the town either with the bombs underneath collapsing it because then you can't really go back into the town later on you know yeah you were you were going for uh the ending from uh return the uh or night of the living dead the uh return light of the living dead where they you know drop the fucking bomb i think they do it in uh and
00:41:18
Speaker
the first Resident Evil with Mila Jovovich as well. They dropped the bomb or it's something that sucks all the air out and kills everyone but keeps the town. I don't remember that happening. Or they said a new golf or something but I think it was the end of the second one.
Speculations and Final Thoughts
00:41:35
Speaker
Oh yeah, I'm not. I am the first one she wakes up comes out into the city. She comes out into the city in the second one. At the end of the end of the first Resident Evil movie she wakes up with a bunch of like tubes connected to her and she's in like a science laboratory.
00:41:53
Speaker
Um, where in the, I remember the, there was an interesting shot that they, for some reason left in there that she had, um, I'm not going to get into it, but she, she actually talks about it, uh, rather than watch the commentary, but she leaves the, um, like the research station and she walks out of it and the whole city's like a blaze.
00:42:17
Speaker
like all the cars are on fire and it looks like a war zone. Well, I believe the end of the two, they nuke the city and they have to get there trying to get out. You might be right. I really don't know. I don't really remember the second one. I think my mind tried to block out traumatic. Well, do you think that this movie would have been better or at least we would have liked it more if it had came out?
00:42:45
Speaker
in 2002 instead of what we got. I don't think it would have held up as well. I think if we watched it because it felt like it was out of place in it. Yeah. Yes, it did. It felt like it came out in like the late 90s and like this was like a straight to DVD that you like VHS that you've just missed on the shelf. You're like, how do I miss this fucking Resident Evil movie that they made? Yeah, I mean, but I mean, then like, I mean, I was we were talking about like worst
00:43:16
Speaker
movies we've seen in theaters. I don't know. Like I don't want to compare it to House of the Dead, which is the worst movie I've ever seen, especially video. You have to because it's a video game. It's a video game. But I would say that was probably the biggest waste of money. The obvious. Yeah, that was the worst movie I've ever seen in the other before. And it was also based on a video game and it also happened to be a horror video game where they actually spliced in
00:43:46
Speaker
jesus christ yeah but do you think this this movie would have been better if it came out in 2002 yes yeah i do because that's i mean if you think about it when that first one came out it was right before like shawn of the dead donna the dead remake and 28 days later so it was before this new wave of zombie films and tv shows came out
00:44:07
Speaker
Yeah, and it would have made sense because like if it came out like right after like Resident Evil 3, the video game on PlayStation was really still. Oh, was that 2002? Yeah. Yeah. Well, the first one came out in the 1990s. I was still in high school.
00:44:24
Speaker
for playstation and then i'm not sure when but like the video game was such a huge success that resident evil two and resident evil three i believe they were all released in the 90s i know they'd been working on trying to make a film for a long time because i remember george romero uh had a script that that's like out there
00:44:44
Speaker
that's based on like just the first game. But that died, that died, right? Yeah, yeah, it never got made. But I know they were trying to make it since that first, I think maybe since the second game came out anyway, that they had been trying to make a movie out of it.
00:44:59
Speaker
I think this movie would have been better served actually if it came out in the late 90s. Yeah, late 90s, early 2000s, I think would have been perfect right when this one came out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, right when the 2000s. Yeah. This would have been a good movie in like 1998, 1999.
00:45:14
Speaker
Yeah, I think it would have made more money. I mean, not only because of the pandemic, we weren't in one back then, but because it would be a based on Resident Evil, and it'd be a close up. It would have been great marketing for the video game franchise to really it would pump people up, especially people that didn't like know about the games, because like, you know, we didn't have like social media and stuff like that. We didn't
00:45:39
Speaker
have the ability to advertise as like, prolifically as we do now. So, you know, it would have been a, you know, it would have been a great advertisement for the franchise. So yeah, I agree with you 100%. It would have been much better if it came out back then.
00:45:57
Speaker
It also seems like a Sony. This was Sony, right? I believe so. Yeah, they seems like some of their movies recently, whether it's a comic book movie or based on a video game, it seems like their movies are kind of stuck in that late 90s, early 2000s era of like film style, although I've even noticed that recently.
00:46:17
Speaker
I can't really say because I don't believe I've been viewing many Sony movies. Well, if you watched Venom and the new Venom, they both seem like stuck in that area, especially when you compare them to like the Marvel stuff. But then also, what else did I watch recently? That seemed to maybe the trailer for Morbius.
00:46:42
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know that comes out in January that left kind of like stuck in early 2000 if there was one other one and I can't think of it. Well, I think some of it's like in intentionally done.
00:46:55
Speaker
Yeah, it's supposed to take place in that era. I mean, it's supposed to take place in 98, so it made sense it looked that way, but it also kind of felt like they were still stuck in a style. I did enjoy the scene where the helicopter pilot was using an old Nokia cell phone to play Snake. Yeah.
00:47:16
Speaker
I didn't really buy, I don't know it didn't really feel like it was from back then based on like the high tech gear they were all using. I was like just kind of, I don't know it seemed like a little outplay but I did enjoy that scene.
00:47:32
Speaker
I enjoy I mean because that happened in the game and they they yeah everything that like happened in the games they recreated brilliantly but that was pretty much all they did yeah yeah I'm saying like not only I mean I understand it was set in 98 but it also felt like they filmed it and if you wonder if you kind of see what I say what I mean like
00:47:54
Speaker
Well, I mean, at times I felt that way, but kind of flat homes like I don't know the special effects were very inconsistent. Yeah. Some of the zombies, especially the zombies in the mansion.
00:48:08
Speaker
looked really great like on par with the game especially the Resident Evil 2 remake that recently came out. The zombies in the police station that they felt like they looked spot on to the game that was really cool then other zombies
00:48:27
Speaker
What terrible? Yeah. So like the the special effects I felt were very like inconsistent. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I would have rather them be well, obviously, I'd rather them all be good or all be bad. Yeah. Or at least mediocre. Like, yeah, they weren't even that it was like some shit. Yeah, some shit look great. Some shit look terrible. Like the doctor when he transforms at the end.
00:48:54
Speaker
Those special effects are awful. The scene in the train that was speeding away, like the it looked just like it looked in the game, but like that doesn't fit for a movie. It looked awful. The special effects were terrible at the end of the movie. So I was just like, wow, shit is just yeah, I don't know. There's no way I can describe it, but it was like a really good, terrible piece of shit.
Conclusion and Future Plans
00:49:19
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, that's all I got to say about that, too.
00:49:22
Speaker
Yeah. But lastly, just in closing, I did enjoy it. And if you are a fan of the Resident Evil franchise, if you're a fan of the game and you have some free time, I'm not saying like take a day off from work to go see it.
00:49:40
Speaker
But if you have some spare time on your hands, I think that you would at least appreciate it. Yeah, maybe wait until it's free on some streaming service. Yeah, I would not pay money to go to a theater to see this. I would not sign up for a streaming service.
00:49:59
Speaker
for the sole purpose of seeing this movie like yeah I don't know maybe if it comes on like YouTube TV where you could like rent it for $1.99 or something and you just have like an afternoon freight like yeah I mean maybe but like
00:50:14
Speaker
Yeah, I would not pay to see this movie, wait for it to come out on a service that you already, you know, but yeah, I mean, I think it's worth a go for hardcore Resident Evil fans. Otherwise, you can probably let this one slide by.
00:50:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's just play the games. The cut scenes in the games were, you know, at least in the new generation of consoles are probably better than the movie itself. So, yeah. All right. Well, yeah, that's all I got to say about those two movies. So that's all I got to say as well. I said a lot more than I thought I was going to. Yeah. This is our last cast of the
00:50:59
Speaker
of the year. Yeah, hopefully, we'll do maybe Ghostbusters and Nightmare Alley in the new year, then maybe our probably our top 10 at the end of the month. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, I'm I'm actually there were I mean, there were a lot of like really terrible movies in 2021. But you know, for obvious reasons, but there were some shining stars, too. And I'm looking forward to talking about that.
00:51:26
Speaker
Yes. So I hope everybody has a happy and probably more importantly safe and healthy New Year, especially you brother. And, yeah, we'll talk to everybody again in the year.