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Meghan Markle, Part 6
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Let's talk more about what could have been going on, and why the laws of succession matter in the breakdown of the royal family.
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Introduction of Hosts and Focus on Meghan Markle
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to Fixate Today, Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyper-fixations fly. Today we are fixating on Meghan Markle.
00:00:32
Speaker
I'm going to pop in and let you all know that I am out of town. I'm in Cancun. So if our sound is a little different, that is why. And actually we recorded this all in one go from our last episode. Wish I could say I have been here for that full week. Unfortunately, I cannot say that. Ev, you've got it from here.
Biological Aspects of Meghan Markle's Children
00:00:59
Speaker
trying to think if now is the point of where we talk about what the implications if IVF were involved, why would that be an issue? And I mean, i yeah it's it's not just saying one thing, it's saying multiple things. I mean, that are we using Um, a donor egg. Are we using donor sperm? Well, and it could go to adoption. anyway like If they weren't able to have biological children and then adopted, what does that mean for that child? So as I see it, let's throw, let's like talk through this. It could have been, well, I mean, there's rumors about Megan having frozen her eggs early on in life, which I,
00:01:46
Speaker
I don't really think that's a problem. I mean, I can't see where that would be a problem. No, I don't think that's a problem or unusual. I think that it could be an issue. And again, we're going to hear more about this when I like talk about the next cool thing I'm going to talk about. If I was married and I had my eggs frozen while married, I would probably have And like I would probably work work work with my husband. I don't know if that's true. But I have embryos. See, I don't think that, I don't think that. I think that some women who are getting older, even if they're married, I think first is cost. It's probably cheaper to do just to freeze the eggs than to create the embryos. And yeah if they weren't,
00:02:42
Speaker
I don't know if there wasn't a plan to have children. Does that make sense? like If there's not a plan yeah to have a baby in the near future, let's just freeze the eggs. When we get to the embryo place, we'll go there. Yeah, I don't know. yeah It's kind of like a prenup. Listen, on the Kardashians, they all froze their eggs. Oh my god. Oh my god.
00:03:04
Speaker
They didn't create embryos until it was the time. so Good Lord. Okay, what would you do? They say you didn't have three kids already. Okay, should we also say that cost wouldn't be a factor? Like I have all the money in the world. all the this i This podcast blows up and we have so many sponsors that this is not even a question. You know, I don't know. So if I didn't have three kids and we wanted them,
00:03:33
Speaker
I would say we would do embryos if there wasn't, I think if there wasn't a plan and I was just getting older and we didn't know and we, you know, I think my, I think the easier option would be just that let's freeze eggs and we'll revisit when we're ready.
Legal and Ethical Concerns with Embryo Usage
00:03:51
Speaker
That's but how I would think it through. Your stuff's good forever. Um, yeah, I don't know.
00:03:57
Speaker
I don't know. yeah but But, I mean, it's a very interesting question. Well, the other thing to consider, you know, this marriage ended in divorce. Was there a question, like for, I don't, I don't know, relationship wise was, I don't know. I just kind of put myself in her shoes. I'm like, maybe it wasn't the best marriage. I don't know. Of course. I don't know details of this first marriage, but could it be in the back of her mind to like, I'm just going to do the eggs. We're not going to go everywhere. I would have to do probably with where we're in the. Yeah.
00:04:33
Speaker
Like, beginning, middle, or end, and the and the marriage and how things were going. That couldn't help if yeah you were just like, yeah, I think we should go eggs. Yeah, right. That would be not a great sign. but yeah Um, okay. So again, let's see, I've never going back to what the options could be, but it could have been embryos, right? And if she then lost her ability, I don't know. She, again, we talked about this. She could have lost her ovaries, but her uterus was still intact. Then, I mean, there gets into some legal questions about being
00:05:13
Speaker
Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, I think it was. Oh, gosh, who what actor? Sofia Vergara. Yes. Was it a long ah legal battle with her ex over embryos? Yes. I don't know. I'm going to go. OK, guys, I'm just going conspiratorial here. You got to see what all the options are. But remember when she went back um after Lily was born and the OB-GYN like her practice closed down right afterwards. Do you remember that? Yes, I do remember that. I'm just wondering like this was just something I was thinking. Would a reason that have happened because she made an ethical decision to use embryos without getting the proper okay from the father?
00:06:13
Speaker
I don't know, just something I was thinking about. Just something. Okay, question number two then becomes, if that was the case, I guess, and they were frozen as embryos, then yes, then it would be a donor egg, right? and ah that No. Oh, it could be her eggs, but we already we already yeah we already decided, right? Like that would just be her eggs, his sperm. I'm very confused.
00:06:42
Speaker
Like, why would that be a problem?
Royal Succession Rules and Modern Reproductive Technologies
00:06:44
Speaker
Okay. If it was, if she had frozen eggs, um, and he, and we used his sperm, then, I mean, I can't believe that would be that much of an issue. So the other case would be she needed a donor egg. She didn't i mean, because the whole like cheese frozen eggs, I mean, that's like come through Samantha or Markle. And I mean, I don't.
00:07:10
Speaker
We don't know that that's true. I mean, we don't know at all. I will say that at the same time that they were, if we go back to those dates back in August when she took the quote unquote secret trip to Toronto, um it was mentioned a few different times in some of the articles that she went to LA also. Oh, OK. But I don't know. You know, like that was just sort of in a couple of us yeah um like basically insinuating that she would been picking up her eggs.
00:07:41
Speaker
ah you played right You get one of those aprons that tradwives have? Yeah, I don't know. But anyways, yeah, the lady who explained what she was wearing, did she explain that she had some kind of cooler? Fanny pack or anything? It was like some dry ice like smokey stuff coming.
00:08:05
Speaker
Um, okay. So that could be one scenario. Am I missing a scenario in there? I don't think so. Not really. Right. So, but, yeah but I do want to point out, no, I was going to say the, yeah, the, the one thing would be if it was, if they were already embryos and that's all she had, she had no. Yes. That I feel like would be more of a problem. That, that would get, yeah, that would get a little complicated. So we've talked about the.
00:08:36
Speaker
British succession to the throne. but just like i'm but so It's determined by dissent, sex, legitimacy, religion, And under common law, the crown is inherited by the sovereign's children or by childless sovereigns nearest collateral flight, which is, this is what the Bill of 1689 said. And then and then in 1701, they like went charge and changed it up a little bit to the act of the settlement. And I could read you pages of why that happened, but I don't think that would be that interesting.
00:09:14
Speaker
So yeah just to put it into perspective what we're talking about here. Okay so we're going back to this bill of rights and act of settlement and it was it was quite pretty antiquated to be honest. So when we were doing when we made the change recently around 2012 so that like the girls could be in the line of succession there was a couple other things that we you know, how in the yeah in the US, s like Congress, they like put pork in it. Yeah, they're different like a couple more things. Yeah, they'll just like add what they can to sneak through. Yeah, so well, they added a few things here. Not they're not bad things. ah One was that they allowed like before you couldn't be in the Linus session, if you married a Catholic,
00:10:08
Speaker
Yeah. So took that one out. That seems a little, little antiquated. And they also changed the number of how far back you have to go in the line when asking the, um, queen for approval to get married. Okay. And I didn't know like.
00:10:29
Speaker
If you don't, like that baby is like out. It's like illegitimate in terms of succession. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's out. It is. So I didn't realize it was quite that big of a deal. Yeah. I am going to go what back to one and then.
00:10:45
Speaker
One more thing, I'm sorry about like, what could have happened. This is my total concern. Could just could Megan have secured Harry sperm. Well, I know, I know we've kind of talked about this one on our own and you think this is great. Could she have secured it? Like, Oh, we should get that taken care of so that we can get started right away on getting this baby coming.
00:11:13
Speaker
And then when the queen made the comment after he was asking, when he was asking the queen for her approval for marriage. And remember, she said, he wouldn't spare the words. I guess i like guess I have to say yes now. I mean, just, I mean, it's a possibility. I don't think, listen, I,
00:11:39
Speaker
I'm team Megan and Harry. They're not my favorite people. However, I don't think she's a supervillain.
00:11:47
Speaker
I mean, that would be smart though. That would be, yeah. You can play both ways at supervillain or, or she's smart. I don't know. I know. that I mean, honestly, that's conspiracy. Like I know, but it is something that went through my little mind.
00:12:05
Speaker
Okay. This is, um, so when they were passing this bill, this might, this isn't really necessary to talk about, but it's kind of funny and I'm not going to go through and read all the wording, but in their like nice little British ways that they go to like Congress and parliament. Um, there's this one part that's like, um, all the realms, you know, all the, which all the Commonwealth, um, countries, like we would like to hear your argument.
00:12:34
Speaker
you know It's really important that we hear your your arguments on this bill. um But then it basically goes on to say, like but doesn it doesn't matter. or We're just making this decision on our own. But I thought was it i thought was so funny like to add that in and be like, dad, make your arguments. Please, we want to hear her. We totally do, but we also don't super care. Yeah, but it's not going to matter.
00:13:03
Speaker
so Okay, so this is the part that gets super cool and I may do some reading in this because this is something so different that I had not heard before. Okay, and this is what I've not even talked to me about it, right?
00:13:19
Speaker
No, this I've talked to you a little bit about. that ah okay i This is okay okay okay what my very, like, I mean, part of that is all what my theory was about, because I definitely think everyone missed that August date and all that. But this was something when I found this, I thought it was, I thought it was a genius here, if I'll be honest, but it's very interesting. So when they were debating the success, I can't say it.
00:13:50
Speaker
Succession. OK. When they were debating the succession to the Crown Bill, there was one more amendment that was being considered. That did not end up in it. So we you know we had the whole girls can be in the line that you can marry a gap, and then like reducing the number of you know how far back you have to go to get the Queen's approval.
00:14:19
Speaker
ah But there was this other part that they were considering. And this was the language that was when they spoke of heirs of the body. Oh, okay. Which has been brought up a lot when they're talking about, like in the discussion about, um, Harry and Meghan and, and that's been the part that I think a lot of people point to if a surrogate was used, then.
00:14:50
Speaker
then that child would be illegitimate and in the views of the rules, the courts, I guess. yeah um because And aint actually, ah to be like England does have some weird rules about it. like If you do have a ah use a surrogate, then when the baby is born on the birth certificate, it does say the surrogate's mom.
00:15:19
Speaker
Wow, really? The mom, yeah. And then the mom has to adopt it. That's, yeah, I don't like that. I mean, it seems backwards, doesn't it? It seems like a lot of extra work. Yeah, but I mean, I feel like that's something that I can fix. And that feels like things could go south quick. It could be a lot of problems. Yeah. Yeah, when I was researching that, that was, you know, unless it's changed between now and, you know, when I researched that, so.
00:15:46
Speaker
But I, yeah, that was what I read. So anyway, so we have this clause that say royal marriages, heirs the body. And, and this is, I'm going to read you a little bit here. So a marriage is a royal marriage for the purposes of establishing the claim of any person to succeed the crown as an heir to the body. If the marriage is between a man and a woman.
00:16:14
Speaker
So we can go where we can we can see where this is going in modern terms. yeah um A person is disqualified from succeeding to the crown if an heir of the body of a royal marriage, if they are not the offspring of both parties of that marriage. Let's just focus on that right now. So if one was to use a donor egg, would that be the offspring of both parties of the marriage? No. yeah i mean i So I think well we've ah when we hear so many people talk about if like if it's a surrogate, then that would not be true. I don't think people really talk about like if it was a donor egg. Yeah. Well, and then just the words of that also suggest that, I mean,
00:17:13
Speaker
God forbid a royal is gay. Okay, let's remember this was, I think this was in 1701. But they were still debating it, like it hadn't changed. So yeah it was like what, in a position like that, also, ah there would have to be a whole bunch of letters patent. Well, and wait for this. This isn't going to get changed.
00:17:38
Speaker
and okay that later I don't know. This part is just funny to me. ah This section, and like this is like the number three on it. This section does not apply in any case where both houses of parliament pass a resolution to the effect that it shall not apply. So what that's saying to me is, OK, we have these rules, but then you can go to parliament and and get them overruled. Yeah.
00:18:08
Speaker
You could present your case. Yeah. And then we put it on, then we put it on parliament. It's just like, can we just talk about like how convoluted and time consuming this all is for, it just seems
Royal Marriage and Modern Reproductive Clashes
00:18:24
Speaker
insane. Like, aren't there bigger things we need to be worrying about?
00:18:28
Speaker
yeah Yeah. I mean, for sure. I mean, they're for sure in one way, but also like if we're going to get up to date with what's going on. And that was the whole point. So then there's these these great arguments and that basically these this is coming up like the world is changing. This wasn't stuff that was being thought about when these rays were being written. And so, yeah, I mean, they're talking about basically do we need to deal with this now? Yeah. So anyways, it goes back and forth. And it is the fun. It is so interesting to read because and I'll try to read a few of them like all the way through because I don't know if they are the most polite parliament in the world. ah So yeah, and I'm gonna just kind of go through I'm not gonna read through the entire conversation back and forth. But
00:19:23
Speaker
um And so this is, and I'm not going to even tell you what Lords or whatever they are. that' go to be Parliament people. and I mean, I don't think it's going to be meaningful to anyone. and So my concern arises from the security of the 17th century term, air of the body, the governing definition for the right to succession, as it might be constructively tested in our courts in modern conditions.
00:19:52
Speaker
namely the emerging legislation for same-sex marriages and the technique of surrogate child birth. Well, yeah, yeah think that's a pretty good argument. On the first, it will be clearly lawful for a monarch of an existing heir of the body to enter a same-sex marriage. okay When that act becomes law,
00:20:22
Speaker
After all, one hesitates to imagine the circumstances in which either I guess you can go to clause three which says that it's Parliament's choice, or the clause two, but basically, it has to be the air between a man and a woman.
00:20:40
Speaker
okay we're gonna let same-sex marriage happen even between you know our royalty but yeah there's no way to have kids like can you like can we zoom out a minute and just imagine that like congress is meeting about your family like it's i know but it's just like I just, it's like a governing body is making decisions about the makeup of your family. yeah no yeah You know, i guess where' I guess we're closer to that than I'd like to admit. You're not making it political.
00:21:29
Speaker
um They always thought, you know, one of the other things that was pointed out, again, I don't know, these realms of the, which I think are the but commonwealth. So um another point they made was, you know, if, if marriage, same sex marriage was different and different.
00:21:46
Speaker
commonwealth you know how that would oh yeah yeah yeah so now i will say one one thing i was happy to read in here was that this is around the time that they were debating same-sex marriage and they do make sure that there's a point to saying this has nothing to do with that one is not okay related to the other. So you can be opposed to this bill for royalty, but that does not mean in any way that should affect how you
00:22:26
Speaker
like the status of same-sex marriage in this country. Two separate things. And I mean, I'm happy to be, I'm i'm happy that they- Yeah, I appreciate they made that that clarification. Yeah, that's yeah that there yeah that that distinction.
00:22:41
Speaker
So I mean, here's just like a part where they just kind of go back to where how this could be a problem. So there was a time when Lord Salaspie Salisbury in 1890, when Queen Victoria suddenly became and enthusiastic about a possible Catholic marriage ah for the second line of throne. I do not take issue with this farther. I simply lay it out on the record as a potential for comment. Which again, I feel like that's saying like, I'm not going to get into it, but just know it's a possibility. about yeah That's it's a thing out there. So
00:23:20
Speaker
Yeah, so again, just going back as I read through this, more and more, it's just things are changed. And we never could have seen this advancement in technology coming forward. And then, and you know, in one more time, it says only a natural born child of a husband and wife can succeed the throne. Which I mean, even there. So does that mean, does that mean a natural born? Does that mean even if it was the DNA, even if it was like IVF. Like, is that a natural born? Or, I mean, getting even more granule if there was a C-section. Yeah, I mean, where does that where does that line end as far as natural born? Yeah. ah You know, just something to think of. This is, OK, I just have to add this part. This is not even relevant because I don't even fully understand it, but
00:24:21
Speaker
This is just like the funniest analogy that I have to just put it in. So they're going through the defense of um the interpretation of heirs of the body and natural born. this Therefore, that is not relevant. If that is your full defense, if the lesser must include the greater, the crown is the font of harbor. It's a picnic basket.
00:24:50
Speaker
in it. And it seems to me that if you put the picnic basket, if that's your defense, and you put it in actual spring water, then it is not protected. I don't even get it, but this is the weirdest. And then we get a comment after that without a lot of thought. I'm not sure I embraced that particular analogy.
00:25:21
Speaker
That is just funny. I don't even know what it means. Okay. And then we have, and I am going to read this out because it's interesting.
00:25:34
Speaker
So if that is so, I'm not the picnic basket, but, and it has always been understood to be the position, those words would also exclude any claim to becoming a monarch monarch made in the future by a child born of a queen, an heir to the body of the queen, who was not engendered by the sperm of a consort, even though that would-be heir might have been from the egg of the queen carried by the queen, born to the body of the queen, of the queen in a lawful same-sex marriage.
00:26:19
Speaker
Yeah. Which I thought that's it that's interesting. So I mean, that's kind of, you know, going to the limit on like, okay, so where do we cut this off? So, I mean, I think it's, here's what I'll say. I think it's incredibly progressive for them to be debating this at all. Yeah. Until you hear the end. Yeah. yeah ah Okay, so so ah you know basically, and actually they're kind of along the line, as it simply clarifies beyond doubt what the government and most of us in this house believe to be the law, and fireproof it it against. It may be that these occasions seem remote, as history shows, nothing is ever certain.
00:27:10
Speaker
So I, I mean, I, I, again, kind of the same thing you're just saying. Okay. It's good that they're thinking ahead there, but, but in the end, there's no answer. So it's going to be funny. All right. And I'm just going to read this because this has to do with how they talk. And I haven't, I just, you just have to hear it. Okay.
00:27:31
Speaker
My noble and learned friend in this letter says that Sir Augustus did not challenge the legitimacy of the Royal Marriage Act that is technically correct, but he is arguing that his parents' marriage and therefore his right to succession was valid on the grounds in that the the Royal Marriages Act did not apply, it would find ah parallel case for the future claimant to go to courts here and abroad to argue the Human Fertilization and Embryology Act did not rule out his or her legitimate claim.
00:28:19
Speaker
So first of all, I think the whole like, my noble and learned friend is just always interesting and they, they kind of say things like that throughout. But, um, to me, what this is saying is we don't have to want to have to take this decision up in parliament. Right. It's going to happen. Um, and we don't want to have to take care of that.
00:28:44
Speaker
which very much could be what this is all is about, right? I mean, this this could be what's happening or what happened. right And you know bringing it up for a lawsuit, you know I just find that they're looking ahead. yeah And I guess this was 10 years ago. And then it could be the situation now.
00:29:09
Speaker
I don't know, maybe all those lawsuits, maybe they're hiding behind this, I guess is public information. So yeah, and so that what they're saying is given that the duty of the parliament is to relieve the monarchy of any potential controversy on this manner, so should there be any doubt, which I'm guessing, I'm guessing King Charles and Queen Elizabeth were like wishing there was no doubt because then they wouldn't be you know they wouldn't have to be the ones making this decision. so
00:29:45
Speaker
right And okay, so again, I just have to do the, I support my noble and learned friend to clarify this 2005 act beyond a reasonable doubt. If it is not appropriate to do so in this bill, I have heard the arguments from the front best branch, and I hope that the potential loophole can be quietly and efficiently closed.
00:30:16
Speaker
sometimes in the future eventually we'll get to it we'll close this loophole i think that's so funny yes did i'm glad you brought this up that is great and it was thankfully we did you know argue it um But let like we don't really want to make a decision on this. That sounds like there's this, um I think she's a TikToker, but I always watch her on Facebook, where she does ah gentle parenting on different types of people. It'll be like, gentle parenting, your drunk uncle. Gentle parenting. This sounds like gentle parenting parliament.
00:30:58
Speaker
That's funny. That is funny. um Yeah. So I just love that part.
Public and Legal Scrutiny on Royal Succession
00:31:03
Speaker
Anyways, in the end, the dude who wrote it says, I'm going to withdraw my amendment for the time being and over 10 years ago. ah And I find this really interesting. My only reservation about my noble friend's amendment is proposed in the new subsection three um of that new clause that says, ah what it says in the new extra ah section. And that that the number three was the part where, yeah, if there's any question or somebody wants to overrule it, they have to come to parliament to make that decision.
00:31:45
Speaker
which I think is so funny like so much of this is like uh yeah I just I mean yeah good point good point yeah great I hear i hear you
00:31:58
Speaker
So yeah. And they do bring up, sorry, that although you you may be the genetic parents of these children, um you're going to have to adopt them. This is if there was a surrogate. They say, don't be so stupid. We are the generic but genetic parents. Why should we have to adopt our own child? Again, they're bringing it up like, yup, this is dumb.
00:32:27
Speaker
and day But yeah, we're still gonna make a decision. And then I'd go back one more to surrogacy. It's becoming much more common. It is not impossible um that this could happen in the future. Yeah, I think it's probably gonna be common. Yeah. So um just even Eugenie and, oh my gosh, forget Beatrice. They were a bit, I mean, not old by any means, but they were older when they got married. Like women are just getting, are just getting married older. And it limits a lot of options in terms of how you're going to have a child sometimes. Yeah.
00:33:09
Speaker
I mean, and it needs to be dealt with. Right. We'll get to it when we get to it. Thank God we've talked about it now. So when the phrase heirs of the body was incorporated into the act of settlement, no one could conceivably possibly have anticipated the kinds of advancements that we have seen this many years later, which raises these kind of issues.
00:33:39
Speaker
particularly with regard to human fertilization and I think that's a fair thing to say. Yeah, accurate. yeah um Yeah. So basically it comes down to, I mean, again, there's a lot in between. I'm skipping around. Therefore, we do not believe that there is a need for an amendment.
00:34:00
Speaker
The government also considered it considers it unnecessary to define marriage as it is set out in subsection one of the proposed new clause under this amendment as only the natural born child of a husband and wife can succeed the throne. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna read this last line then. I love this closing, closing argument.
00:34:29
Speaker
However, I hope that at some point, any scintilla of uncertainty, and I believe that there is uncertainty will be removed. I beg leave to withdraw this amendment. Best lie to the whole thing. So in all seriousness, so imagine this debate's going on, but you're, it's, it's, you know, 2018, 2019, and it's not a, like,
00:34:57
Speaker
hypothetical anymore. They're like debating your baby and how terrifying that would be. And like, here we are in 20, 24. And that's kind of what's happening. Right. Just I, with all of the scrutiny and everything that they're feeling and going through now freaking parliament is debating Archie. like I just can't imagine that pressure. And then the whole world knows. There's no escaping that. like If it's being debated in the governing body of the country, the entire world knows what's going on. Well, and I think my whole point to this was we always keep hearing this term, air to the body. And every again, everyone thinks that means surrogacy.
00:35:46
Speaker
But it does it it doesn't just mean that. It means more, so much more, that that this was, they were trying to hide this, you know, back in August of, you know, 2018.
00:36:06
Speaker
And I think they were trying, yeah, trying to hide it for, um you know, to be, for Archie to, you know, have his position in the succession of the throne. And I think this is the first little piece of the problem that blew up. yeah I think from here, it's gonna get worse. And, you know, originally I just thought this was the problem.
00:36:34
Speaker
Yeah, which would have been bad enough, right? um It was just being ah in the line of succession. But that's the new thing I have to add. I think it's even bigger than that. Okay. And I'll say also, I do think the fact that Megan is American, i yeah I'm thinking in terms of an actual child, like thinking about what you read, and an actual child being the point of discussion of
Race, Genetics, and Historical Prejudices
00:37:06
Speaker
it. And Meghan, who is Black, coming from the US, where a person's personhood was debated, that a drop of of Black blood in you makes you a Black person, and therefore, what was it, three-fifths of a human?
00:37:24
Speaker
or the or the yeah Or the lack thereof, in this case. I mean, it could be if it was a donor egg. But I just think that the the debate of personhood has got to be terrifying from both Harry's perspective and Meghan's perspective. Yeah. And so antiquated. Right. Yeah, absolutely. um So you know I just see i see that.
00:37:51
Speaker
that this was a matter, you know, I don't know. I think it started as a problem where they tried to get away with something. I don't even know that, that sounds too harsh, but there was a reality that, you know, they, they were trying to sidestep and in doing so they made up a lie or, you know, at least withheld the truth.
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah, a misdirection. Yeah. And then somebody found out, my guess is William and he freaked out. And then from there, as I see it, like this is what I'm picturing because it was like they were trying to keep, keep it hidden. Um, then, you know, then there could have been changes than there could have been, um, uh, letters patent that.
00:38:47
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the queen could have created. But maybe they were so ticked off because of the potential lying that they're like,
00:39:00
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No, I'm not going to do that. I mean, I don't know because I do know that Harry has since said, you know, just kind of like what you said at the beginning, this should have been an opportunity to make a change, to make a difference. And that's, and I assume that's what, when they talk about make, when he talks or they talk about we're owed an apology. right That's what they're talking about.
00:39:25
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Now, I can also see the flip side where they should have just been up front and dealt with it you know at the beginning and maybe this whole hull of blue could have been avoided. Yeah. He's been taught his whole life that he's the backup, he's the extra. And I can see how there's like, even with your dad and your brother, there's a big loss of trust in not knowing if the throne is more important or if he is more important. Do you know what I mean? It's like like the family versus the role as a royal. Yeah, I do. And then it becomes even it becomes even worse with your kids. It's just like, you can call me ugly and that's painful. You call my child ugly and I'm a good real.
00:40:14
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You know, I mean, and that might be yeah you know how this came up. And then, you know, like you said, and then you throw in race. But one more thing I do want to point out is it also makes sense when you talk about when they talk about the conversations about what the baby's going to look like and what the color of the baby is going to be. b i And yeah the insinuation being that that was a racist comment. And like, I don't think that's what was meant at the time. I think if we were talking about a donor or
00:40:50
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you know, genetically something would not really, you know, that that would have been a conversation that could have been had. I think it's a conversation that could have been had anyways, especially the color of the skin and you know, how you baby is going to look. I mean, I mean, we had that conversation. like I was just going to say, I was going to ask you and then say, we don't have to talk about it if you don't want to, but how did that ever happen with you? Oh yeah. I mean, we all it shoot. I mean, it happens just yesterday. Um,
00:41:20
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we were talking about, yeah, which kid looks half, which doesn't? And we were joking about how when we were in Japan, like, I couldn't find my family. It was the weirdest thing. But they all could find you. Yeah, I'm like, and there in case anybody in case we've never said it, your husband's Japanese, my uncle's Japanese. So the kids look like but uncle Yeah, so if yeah, and yeah, if you saw my daughter, she looks like there is no way we're even like remotely related, which is funny. but yeah So yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, shoot, I mean, and even, you know, even, okay, so with Asian people, okay, this is like more of a sensitive topic, and like double eyelids. Like with Asian people, that's, it's
00:42:14
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if you have double eyelids, that's considered a trait that you want. so And people, some people will even, it's it's a form of plastic surgery that they'll go in and have a double eyelids. oh Yeah, it's a big thing. It's only a big thing, I mean, but if you're Asian, it's it's a pretty big thing. yeah and And my husband has double eyelids. So then, I mean, we were like, well, our our Kids? ah You know, are kids gonna have? Is there a possibility that our kids wouldn't double eyelids? I mean, yeah. ah Did you ever take offense? No. Okay. No, I mean, I thought it was, I thought it was kind of more like fun and interesting to see yeah how they came out because of that. And I mean, we still talk about which one of them looks the whitest.
00:43:07
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Like, which one of them looks um the The half-est. The half-est. Yeah. And my daughter is the only one that, like, people have with her. When I was with her, people thought she was adopted. Nobody ever asked me that with the boys, which I thought. Oh, really? See? Yeah. But I mean, I think maybe because, you know, like, people tend to adopt more girls from a child because of that. Yeah, I wouldn't have even considered that. Yeah.
00:43:35
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So, I mean, I think, again, I think that's one of those things that could have been, the words could have been used. I mean, I see how, if that was a discussion and I'm like, I'm, I think that's probably what it was. I don't, you know, ah that's what I really do believe it was. Um, and then you're on the other side of it and nobody outright says, you know, anything racist, but how hurtful that could be. Yeah.
00:44:08
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I mean, it's a weird situation, but wait.
Trust Issues within the Royal Family over Succession
00:44:12
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Right. Like all of it, it's like layer upon layer upon layer of complicated. Yeah. And who was wrong? Right. I mean, there's not a one entity that was wrong, but it at the same point, I don't know if there's any coming back from it. Right. You know, once you get that far, is there.
00:44:35
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can you fix it? Right. You know, it comes it's it comes to like, even though you're not entirely in the wrong, you still have to take accountability for your part in it.
00:44:46
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Yeah. And that sounds very easy, but it takes a very mature person to do that. And I have to believe that all of these, I don't know, I feel like anybody who's gotten very famous, especially if you're incredibly famous as a child, you're kind of stunted. So yeah, he's like King Charles is king of an entire country, but I feel like developmentally he's stunted because that just inherently happens. My chance in a way. Yeah. Being in the spotlight.
00:45:16
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And like getting over the ego of not accepting your role in the dissolution of something like that. um I totally thought you were going to back to when you first started saying that Beyonce indeed did it. I have nothing bad to say about Beyonce. Thank you, Beyonce. and Yeah, don't, don't, nobody come after us. Um, the one other thing I will say, and again, off topic, but it always amazes me that, um, a lot of the Royals are not terribly educated, which I find so strange. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, yeah, that's just something I've always felt. I mean, like, you can see back in the day when, you know, a girl's education was how to like play the piano and sing.
00:46:07
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But and i you know, ah you would have thought of it changed now. It's like there's still a thing of like, they all have to be, their education is how there how they present themselves and how they represent the throne. Well, I mean, that's it. We are going to do one more episode because I've got the other really cool thing to tell you. And I mean, I wish we had a comment or something because I'd love to hear what people say and what people think. and it be where it all
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