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Meghan Markle, Part 5
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Introduction & Obsession with Meghan Markle
00:00:02
Speaker
Welcome to Fixate Today Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyper-fixations fly. to Today we are fixating on Meghan Markle.
00:00:33
Speaker
Welcome back everybody for another episode on Meghan Markle. We're going to talk a little bit more about theories and get into some interesting stuff about what, why things make sense. Well, and here's the thing. Like this was going to be everything I thought my three theory, which I was pretty proud of. And then this week I found something in bigger.
00:01:02
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but I'm not gonna get to that because there's so much here. So anyways, and I don't even think I've told you the whole story. No, I'm excited. Now it's amazing and it's something that nobody has ever talked about. So before we dive in too much,
00:01:19
Speaker
I think you should tell everybody where you are. So just, I am in, well, first of all, let everyone know I work in a hotel so that I can get hotel discounts because I love to. And we're in Cancun and we just like traveled. We is not me. We is me and my family. And we just checked in the whole hotel room and it's like.
00:01:43
Speaker
on Unbelievable. I swear it's bigger than our house. It is so beautiful. Um, so anyways, but it's, i'm if I'm echoing, that's why cause it's, cause it's so big. I was going to say, there might be a little, sounds going to be a little different on your end. It might be a little echoey. I already heard someone in the hallway. like the Exciting. Thanks. Yeah. So anyways, I'm sorry, but you know, the beach is calling.
00:02:09
Speaker
gonna say she's not that sorry. She's in Cancun.
Challenges of Women's Voices in Podcasting
00:02:14
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And also I've been trying so hard to do this vocal thing where I get my scratchiness out of my voice and I just figured I figured out it's just my voice. So anyways, I'm firmly in the camp that You know, the podcast and industry industry is really hard on women for their voice that you can't change. And it doesn't matter. People will listen to us because of the things we have to say and our personalities and your voice is perfect.
00:02:41
Speaker
Well, and the irony is I've always thought my voice was like too high pitched and like a little kid. And then now that I'm doing this, I'm like, Oh, where do I get this like deep scratchiness? All right. Um, the other thing before we jump in again, I just want to make fun of us for a minute because we've talked about the next series and we, we are going to eventually do the thing we talked about before we said after.
00:03:09
Speaker
We kind of went a little easier in terms of research and things with Meghan Markle. We were going to move on to the murder murders. Well, uh, that's too big. We can't do it yet. Our brains aren't there. no It's really hard to, yeah, it's really hard to mix. Um, cause you know, we have the YouTube channel and it's just hard for our brains to go back and forth between the two. Yeah. So yeah.
00:03:35
Speaker
Absolutely. But what we're going to do, and I'm not going to say what the series is because that keeps getting us into trouble. When I say the next series or how many? yeah No, what i what we're going to do instead of Murdah.
00:03:47
Speaker
Okay. So it's like, you Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Instead of Myrna, we're going to do one, one of my lifetime fixations that if joy said, Oh no, I lost all my notes. I don't know what to talk about right now. I could be like, Oh, I got this. I can do this series right now with no preparation, which is perfect. Cause then all I have to do is like pop things up and not have to not have to prepare. So So it'll be, uh, uh, I dunno, it's just, it's something I've been ah obsessed with for as long as it's been a thing. So that will be next after we get through your stuff about Meghan Markle and possibly another MICA update.
00:04:29
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episode. I think we definitely need at least one personally, but yeah, we'll get to that. All right. Awesome. Okay.
Theories on Meghan Markle's Pregnancy Announcement
00:04:36
Speaker
So Megan Markle, let me just, I'm going to, I'm just going to do a quick review overview because first of all, I kind of forget what we talked about, but let's just get everyone caught up. Um, Harry and Megan got married in May of 20.
00:04:52
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18. Okay. And then she got pregnant and like, she got pregnant really quickly. I thought like, I didn't even thought that at the time. I mean, she was in her late thirties. I mean, she could just be really fertile. You know, not not saying she's not. My, my guess is even if we're not considering, you know, your theory of everything, if that's off the table, they knew that they were going to have to get pregnant fast.
00:05:20
Speaker
just like in terms of her age and like the view of making the air and all of those things. It was going to be like, yeah, it's understood we get married and like get pregnant, right? Yeah. yeah And I mean, I don't know. Maybe that has to do with why they went to what I think they went to like IVF right away, or, you know, they just could have been at things that really good honeymoon.
00:05:46
Speaker
So anyways, she got pregnant. She actually announced it in October of 2018, which is kind of like, this is a part we're going to come back to. This is important. Um, and the presumption at that time was that she was three months along. Um, because that's normally when the Royal family announces.
00:06:07
Speaker
It's kind of the safe point where the outside of that, yeah she did the weird thing when she announced at Janie's wedding, which was kind of odd. And yeah and then she said, that in retrospect, she has said like announced early because she was so big that she couldn't even wait. like It was so obvious. She couldn't hide it to the 12 week mark. I mean, if you look at pictures, I think she couldn't get it.
00:06:37
Speaker
just my opinion. And then so again, for me, devil's advocate, um, all of a sudden being thrust into this world of like, everything is being scrutinized. And the slightest little like poonch is going to be talked about. She had like the littlest bit of belly. Yeah, that's just devil's advocate. That's a good, good point. Also, she also said now at this point, I find harder to play devil's advocate. The other reason she said was because but she They were about to go on their Australia tour and she didn't want to take away from the focus on that. Which seems like the most counterintuitive thing ever to me. See, I still don't think so because that takes away the speculation element. Okay. We disagree. Let's just note, Nicki and I disagree on this one. This is one of the ones we disagree on, but that's what makes it fun. Yes.
00:07:35
Speaker
Yes, exactly. But then the biggest thing that I think everybody has missed and nobody has talked about was right around August, like 20th through the 24th, Megan took like a mystery trip to Canada. And it's, how it's since been like proved in it, but at the time it was like,
00:08:01
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like a secret trip. um And there are a lot of articles about how she was going, how she was going by herself, that Harry was not going with her. She flew on Air Canada. There was messages that like from Kensington Palace that she is to be left alone. Um, there are to be no pictures of her. Um, and then additionally, at least one passenger on the plane saw her and could completely describe her down to which movie she saw. Right. So I have a question though, if Kensington Palace is saying not to take her pictures that basically saying like, this isn't a work trip. Do you know what I mean?
00:08:46
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yeah I'm just wondering if like that's kind of what that's code for from the palace. You could be right, or it could. I mean, and you know most things are sort of in between, right? Or the the way that research kind of brought it up, it was more along the lines of, this was a little different, a little more extreme. Okay. i'm just ki I was just wondering if that's that's kind of Kensington's palace's polite way of saying, you know this isn't for the palace, this is private, leave them alone. Don't take their pictures. All right, I'll give you that. ke Just curious, just wondering. Which if that if that's what she's going for, it is personal and private and not a work trip. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, either way, yeah, it wasn't a work trip. But yeah, it just from the headlines, it just it just it sounded like it was very intentional that people not here. But then, of course, everyone does.
00:09:45
Speaker
right So, okay, so we, so she goes on this trip alone. No, no Harry. And then there's this, and and there was, I don't know. I mean, just in my time, I found like probably eight or 10 headlines about the trip. Then kind of a weird thing happens. And then sort three Royal reporters released tweet saying basically that she wasn't on this mystery trip.
00:10:13
Speaker
and And they don't say it, they say it in words that they're not lying. um The way they each phrase it, it is truthful, but also can be misconstrued. It was meant to be misconstrued. It's almost like a lying bio-mission type of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that kind of is what happened with all three of them.
00:10:37
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And actually, now that, I mean, this kind of even goes back to anyone who's listening to our Micah story. I think this happens a lot and really lot in this Megan and Harry story is that you go back and actually, if you look at the words, you think they're saying one thing, but they're really not lying, but they're really,
00:11:04
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Like saying something else. Well, and even how it's reported, like the people doing the reporting are doing kind of similar things. Like we were just talking about, we both love, we both love Robbie Harvey, but man is drawing some things out and he is saying things that he's not saying. Like he's doing, the he's doing it too. You know, the media knows how to play the game as well as the people being covered.
00:11:30
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Yeah. Whereas, you and I, we have no following, so we just say it. Exactly. Exactly. It's the best. Having said that, go like and subscribe to our YouTube. And Robbie Harvey. He's great. So, um okay. So here's very important. So the three tweets come out.
Media Rumors: Surrogacy & Strategic Story Planting
00:11:49
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And it's the that people that release them that i I think is the really interesting part. One is Omid Scobee. If anyone is like a follower of Meghan and Harry, then they've heard of Omid Scobee because it, you know, they, they actually call him like a personal spokesman for him. Do you think that like everybody and I'm, a lot of the questions I'm asking is just because I know like very little about palace stuff. Like, do you think everybody has a relationship like this with someone in the media? I think so.
00:12:26
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. That's I feel like they do. I feel like they have to like have some people that they can trust. And when stories come out, it'd be like, okay, well, you know, Middleton's not missing. Let's go to the person she trusts. And you always hear, you know, my source or my sources. And I think, yeah, source is probably pretty close to maybe the same side. Yeah. Or same person now.
00:12:55
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There is pardon part of this whole thing where I think, I don't even know if I should say this yet, but I think the rumors that she was like to point to the fact that Megan was having using a surrogate, I think those were planted. I think they were in intentionally put out. Okay. When was, I'm looking this up.
00:13:25
Speaker
I don't know where my phone is, nevermind. No, I am looking it up, I found it. I'm curious when the Beyonce rumors happened. Remember when the Beyonce rumors came out that she was using a surrogate and she was using in the moon bump and that whole thing? No, I don't remember.
00:13:40
Speaker
Okay. Well, basic justed me and not yeah i don't know but while she looks up, ah um I'm going to go on a little bit. So Omid Scobee was one. Carolyn Durant, which I swear I've never heard anything else from her again, was one of the people who sent out these text messages.
00:13:57
Speaker
and And she was the co-writer of Finding Freedom, which I must guess they made it a fair profit. And so since then, Megan, in court, has admitted to sharing information with at least Omid Scobee. And I did not, they don't specifically talk about Caroline Durant, but at a minimum, Omid Scobee. So just for, I looked it up. ah Beyonce was on an Australian talk show. It was 2011. So I was, I couldn't remember which pregnancy it was or all the things, but she like bends over in a weird way. And it looked like her stomach kind of folded. And that's when all the rumors that she was using a surrogate and had
00:14:40
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I think it's the moon bump was that's when that all started. I was wondering if it was closer to the same time because I feel like all of a sudden a lot of people were like, that woman's faking her pregnancy around that time. This is so getting off track. But so was she? I mean, did they ever like ah I'm just now curious. Listen, I, it that gets into ditty stuff that I'm afraid of. So I'm not getting, I'm not answering that. I'm just going to like pretend like I'm getting a Grammy and thank Beyonce, like all of the other female artists who win Grammys when Beyonce doesn't win a Grammy. So thank you, Beyonce. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I'm gonna ask you one more off topic question. If you had the choice, just out of like not necessity, just the choice.
00:15:24
Speaker
to have somebody else carry your baby and to be your surrogate, would you? 100%. But I say that because all three of my pregnancies were awful. I lost 30 pounds with my last one. I was hospitalized six times. I would 100% have a surrogate, especially, ah you know, my first one wasn't, like they all got progressively worse. But if I had known how bad that third one was gonna be,
00:15:54
Speaker
one hundred percent 100%. Okay, that's funny. But also that's kind of sounds like a weight loss program. it I lost I left the hospital smaller than when I got pregnant. Now I would never I had very easy pregnancies and I loved being pregnant. In fact, I would be a surrogate for somebody because I love being pregnant so much. So it's like my thing.
00:16:19
Speaker
But I was just curious. Okay, so we talked about also Omid Scobee has spoken about the fact that Meghan Markle directly called him.
00:16:32
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during the summer of that year on the premise of him getting threatened, like being threatened or i don't receiving threatening messages. So we also know that. So it seemed about here is where that connection really grew. There was one more person who sent out a meg sent out ah a tweet, and that was Rebecca English.
00:16:58
Speaker
I think I really, I i love Rebecca English. She's very super pro Harry and Meghan. I mean, she's, she's very open-minded about the whole thing. But the key is she was with Harry for like years, like 13 years. Oh, wow. So, ah you know, by default, you have to just grow to know each other and trust each other.
00:17:24
Speaker
So, um, yeah, so she was the third one who sent out a tweet about it. Although, I mean, to, to my knowledge, she's never like utilize that, that relationship or that information, um, for her own personal gain. Okay.
00:17:43
Speaker
All right, so on those three days, we talked about those three days in August that I think are key to all of this.
IVF Pregnancy & Timeline Alterations
00:17:51
Speaker
And I think she became pregnant on those three days. And I think, well, since Harry wasn't there, I really think it's through IVF and she did not want anyone to know. Now here's where we need to clarify, no matter how you get pregnant, no matter who's DNA,
00:18:13
Speaker
a family is a family. And I fully believe that their children exist. I i fully believe that Megan gave birth to them. And I believe that they're loving. their kids Their kids are their kids.
00:18:29
Speaker
That's it. No matter what. Yeah. So I just do want to clarify that. So when I, you know, when I say the IVF it's, there's nothing negative about it. I just think it it's the truth. Yeah. And we talked a little bit about it last time, but I think with what you're getting at the, um, issue is with kind of the antiquated rules of the palace and succession, not like, are these kids their kids? Correct. Correct. Yeah. Definitely. Um, and the fact that, yeah, I guess it goes along with that. The fact that it had to be hidden. Yeah. Or at least, you know, they thought it had to be something that was hidden. So I'm going to, we're going to keep laying this out, but, but what I think happened is that I think she wanted people to think that she was
00:19:23
Speaker
three to four weeks farther along in her pregnancy. ah Like in fact, like her and Harry went to a wedding, I don't know, three or four months ahead of this. And I think that she was, she was wanting to people wanting people to think that's when she got okay. ah She did not want it traceable back to these days. Yes, that makes sense. And she went as far as,
00:19:51
Speaker
I mean, there was reports that she went and visited George Clooney and Mal Clooney like right around then and kind of make it sound like that was the the um secret trip. I'm not sure. There was never any pictures. you know She said said she took a private plane and they whisked her off with no one seeing. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if she won or not, but it was it was around the same time. and That's a good cover, too.
00:20:18
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like Yeah, not the worst thing to happen. So ah yeah, I think this is where the deception started.
00:20:31
Speaker
um And maybe, to me, this is a lesson, if I'm right in my theory, about how one piece of deception or one what lie, essentially, can snowball and snowball and I just think it just shows how it, you know, one step at a time, then you get to a place where you can't get yourself out of it anymore. Yeah. And like kind of my theory, and I think we said this back when I was doing timeline.
00:21:02
Speaker
is I think Harry's got so much trauma from losing his mother and being the quote spare that he tends to ah assume the way the people in his family are going to react or behave. And I think he jumps to a lot of those conclusions unnecessarily.
00:21:28
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I mean, I and they mean, the part I would say is I think part of it's the trauma from his mother, part of it's just his personality. I mean, we all have a built in personality too. and Yeah, yeah. So anyways, I think it's a combination. Okay, so she's wanting people to think she's further along than she is, which to me explains why she made that announcement when she did. Because by announcing at the wedding, she was really if If I'm right, she was two months along in her pregnancy, but to the rest of the world, it was assumed that she was three months along because of past behavior among other royals. So then we start talking about the moon bump. Have we ever looked up the moon bumps? They're pretty realistic. I mean, they are. They're pretty good.
00:22:26
Speaker
Look pretty good to me. So we start talking about the moon bump and then like it changing and it dropping No, I don't know if I ever noticed I mean Yeah. I mean, I've seen a couple of pictures and it was the same event that I think you're probably talking about also that like it dropped, it fell, it wasn't on tight enough, but I feel like it's probably a garment that's like Spanx or Skims that is very tight and it's not going to just like drop off your body. I mean, and also like she, like they would kind of go back and forth. Like she carried it the baby differently on this day than that. they
00:23:10
Speaker
That's never really made sense to me. Cause I feel like if you're using a movement, you'd like kind of use the same one. Yeah. It'd be pretty uniform. not Like, okay, today I'll look like I'm carrying low, but, um, right. I feel like it would be almost like uncomfortably the same day after day. It's like, shouldn't that baby be moving a little bit in there? So I don't know, but I do believe she used one and I do believe it was for the reason of making her look farther along.
00:23:41
Speaker
So a kind of a compromise, right? Of what what, what a lot of people think. Yeah. Um, and yeah, so that's what I think was happening. And again, and then she had some of these friendly reporters even, um, go out and like mention or that she was like the baby was due earlier. And it was the same, like elmetscobi. And so, I mean, there was definitely like seeds being planted, um, about the,
00:24:11
Speaker
baby being due earlier. um I will add quick because I had a friend reach out who um did IVF for both of her kids um and say that IVF due dates are wackadoo. She said, I can't remember exactly because like I have ADHD, but it things are skewed a bit weirder. So yes, I can see that.
00:24:40
Speaker
We also then, pretty close around them, we start hearing about like her doing the home delivery, um not using the Royal Doctors,
00:24:53
Speaker
yet now not announcing who hers will be, and not talking about about like how she was already talking about like not doing photos right away on the yeah outside. Is it the Lido wing or Lindo? Yeah.
00:25:08
Speaker
I can't ever remember. I just know what it looks like. brick wall you l always see um Again, my little devil's advocate thing is because of her age, she was probably higher risk, probably had, you know, more concerns, wanted to do things a little bit more her way than what was the palace's general go-to status quo. Yeah. And I do believe after the fact, and I think I i mentioned this last time, is is the position she used is a physician that a lot of the stars who have delivered in and London have used. And I assume that person has a lot of discretion and she would trust in that. But again,
00:25:53
Speaker
This is the part where I don't, I think she was setting it up. I don't know. I shouldn't say like, I don't know if, cause I get like kind of conspiracy where, you know, is she trying, is she saying a lot because she wants people to sort of believe it's a surrogate?
00:26:09
Speaker
And then, of course, in the end, she can prove it's not a story yet. I don't know. Can I say say something really quick just as like a blanket statement for like the whole episode? um I think it's important that we say when we're saying she's doing this, she's, you know, making up these things. I think it's really important to say they are.
00:26:30
Speaker
like we And we don't have to simply because we're going to keep forgetting. But it's really easy and stuff like this to blame the woman or to say it's her or she's manipulating when really like they're a couple, they're doing it together. Yeah, 100. So I just wanted to that just occurred to me. Anytime going forward or like what we've already said, we're only saying she because she is the one carrying the baby. I think if this like is a whole thing,
00:26:55
Speaker
I think everyone, but it's both we know that it's them and we're not being like misogynistic. No, very, very good point. That just occurred to me. Yes. Very good point. Yeah. So this is, yeah, where I'm starting to, I feel like she might be planting this information. I also feel like I just changed my mind about something. Oh, um I did. And I was really thinking.
00:27:23
Speaker
that she well first of all the reason I think she completely had the baby is she had like right afterwards I mean she looks like she had a baby and that's not an insult no because she looked stunning still she just looked like a stunning woman who had just given birth yes I mean you could see just the ah the bloatedness in her in her face I think there was that you can't fake that yeah so um I mean, that's one reason I 100% think she had it. And I really thought that she had it the baby Archie, I guess, ah on that day. okay um the was result And then there was a lot of talk about him being overdue. And I thought that that she had the baby then. And that was, you know they were trying to you know put it under the radar by talking about how he was overdue a lot.
00:28:19
Speaker
I now think I really do think maybe she did have it and hide it. That's what I was just actually going to ask because that's the whole like that solves the whole like hullabaloo about why she didn't do the hospital thing of going outside because she had already left the hospital or her home. Yeah, that I actually kind of think that makes sense. And I think that's on brand for them to want to keep that to themselves for a little bit. And it makes sense to the story too. it mayte You know what I mean? yeah Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. I mean, I don't know. The slip up with Harry saying,
00:29:01
Speaker
you know, it was, we've had the baby or had the baby for two weeks. Yeah. And like to me, either that, guy yeah, either that could be trying to slip up and make people think they used a surrogate, um, or he slipped up, slipped up, slipped up. Listen, new parents are tired, but I will can't expect him to be perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I'm sure they didn't know about helping them during the night. Yeah.
00:29:25
Speaker
So anyways, yeah, I think I changed, that was one of the things I changed my mind on. I don't know which one it is, but it- Yeah, I could actually for sure get on board with that. Love when we can agree on something. Yeah.
00:29:38
Speaker
I think this is something we need to go back to, because I find it so interesting. Because I think somewhere on along the way, the family found out, or at least I definitely, William found out. I mean, I think in another episode, won't go through this right now, but like thinking about things that were happening and changing and we were here about hearing about, i I'm kind of curious when the family,
00:30:06
Speaker
Yeah. Like when they talk about in spare, they talk about the big fight, right? Between where the necklace, I don't know. I think somewhere in there is where the family is. Well, and then it's like that, like the thing we keep going back to of like family relationships versus Royal family relationships. And if the queen knew and William didn't, is he does he have a right to know? No, as a normal person, it's not his business. But as a royal, he feel maybe that's different. Maybe he should know everything to know, you know, what could be leaked or what could come out about them. So it's, you know, that weird line again. Yeah, of when you're in this
00:30:54
Speaker
weird dynamic your entire life. And I do think there is something to be said about leaks even within the family. you know Maybe it's not quite as cutthroat as spare made it seem. But I mean, i I do think there's probably something to that. I mean, good lord, especially in politics in the US, we know for sure that happens. Yeah. so and you know i I see him like going more his dad's his father's william that is going more his father's way of like the importance of the institution and maybe as the heir to the throne he felt
00:31:38
Speaker
like Entitled is even too strong of a word, but like felt like that but that he should be allowed to know these big things so he could be prepared for possible outcomes. I don't know. You know what I mean? like Well, I mean, they say a lot like it almost sounds overly dramatic to me, but this one thing could bring down the whole institution. OK, now that does seem a little overboard, but but if you've been raised with that mentality as the heir to the throne, like he's going to be upset that he didn't find out or that Harry was kept it from him. Yeah.
00:32:20
Speaker
Yeah, i mean i could so I mean, I definitely could see so could see that happen. But I want to go back and reanalyze that so that we can keep this one that we said was going to be four episodes. you know has um in Not intentionally. OK, so now let's get in. OK, so that was our review that just took us 36 minutes. Well, we talked about new stuff. It's all right. OK, so succession to the throne.
00:32:49
Speaker
Yeah. This is the stuff I'm super curious about. Okay.
Royal Succession Rules & Meghan's Children
00:32:52
Speaker
It's kind of complicated and I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go through it. Like obviously to specifically, but it was like, ah like a bill, um, that was determined in 1689. Like that's where it all started, which I don't know. now I guess part of me assumed had made these incredible.
00:33:18
Speaker
changes and leaps during that time. But I don't think so. I might be wrong. I didn't take UK history or whatever they take in the UK. But but then i do that's from what I was reading. There was they were like no huge changes. um and But in 1701, they did pass a small act, I guess we would call an amendment.
00:33:46
Speaker
Um, but like most of the time when they did that, it had to do with specifics on what was going on at that. Right. Like there wasn't another successor. So they had to figure out of this be a new rule. So that's kind of what I got from it all. Okay. So there's a couple ways like parliament can make like big changes. I guess that would be like an amendment, like in our thinking about how our government works. There can be big stuff that goes through Parliament. But then there can also be these things called ah letters patent, which are smaller things. And i mean I would compare them to like executive orders, like when our president makes executive orders. painting And letters patent, pretty much I think the queen can kind of do on her
00:34:43
Speaker
Okay. So she, she or he now, the King doesn't need that doesn't well in the story, the Queen was still the Queen. Like that's, that's kind of where we are in the timeline of the story. So it makes sense, but whoever the ruler is, doesn't necessarily have to go through the whole governing body for letters patent to be enacted. Yes. Yeah. So there's a few along the way, um, that were kind of major ones.
00:35:13
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But it really made a difference and and we really maybe talk about them a little bit more. And I'm going to have Nikki read them because I am not great at reading things aloud. Um, so, um, again, this is the one from November of 1971. And the language is a little hard. We're summarizing it. in Nope. 1917. Dang it.
00:35:40
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1917. Letters patent for the use of HRH Prince slash Princess. 30th of November 1917. The king has been pleased by letters patent under the great seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland bearing the date 30th Ultimo to define the styles and titles to be born henceforth by members of the royal family.
00:36:10
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It is declared by the letters patent that the children of any sovereign of the United Kingdom and the children of the sons of any such sovereign and the oldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall have and at all times hold, and enjoy the style, title, or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of prince or princess prefixed to their respective Christian names, or with their other titles of honor,
00:36:46
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that save, as afore said, the titles of royal highness, highness or serene highness, and titular dignity of prince and princess. Makes sense. So basically, what is that saying? It's saying that ah girls can be princesses. Right, right. Boys and girls can be prince slash princess. So that's kind of what that one's saying. And that's pretty important. Yeah.
00:37:15
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especially because there had been queen. Yeah, and I'm trying to think, well, there have been lots of queens, really. And I mean, it be awkward if they weren't princesses to begin with. I'm trying to think, niy this I should have this known in my head. So would, no, because that Edward guy would have been the next king. I was gonna say, is this a point where they realized that Queen Elizabeth would be the next king?
00:37:43
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So it made sense to change it, but I don't think so. I don't think they knew that by then. I have no idea. Okay. All right. I could not tell you the timeline of any of it. I even got bored during the crown. I thought you were going to say I even got bored reading it. Nope. Watching the crown. I made two episodes and I know I have to go back and watch it. I know it's really good, but the first couple episodes were so boring. Oh my gosh. I'm disappointed in you.
00:38:12
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Um, so then in October of 1948, and this one's really interesting and this one will come up again. I'm not going to read the whole thing, but King George the sixth changed the rules. Um, the existing rules, um, were that within a family, only the eldest male of the male line was given the HRH.
00:38:41
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status. And when it was known then that Queen Elizabeth was going to be queen, it wouldn't have it it would have been awkward for not her when she was younger to not even be an HRH or have a title princess. So that's why this one was changed. Right.
00:39:04
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I find this somewhat interesting okay because of a comment made later. And I don't know where this comment was. um But Harry at one point said, because you know I thought he would understand because my but father has been through kind of the same thing.
00:39:25
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I don't know if it has anything to do with this, but yeah ah just it was something I noticed and this kind of affected him. And then there's the biggie. And I'm not even going to read this whole thing because and we've all, I think most people have heard about it. So in 2012,
00:39:46
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They changed. December of 2012, the Queen declared that all children of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales should have and enjoy the style, title, and attribute of Royal Highness. And it is with the titular dignity of prince or princess, prefects to their Christian names or any other such titles of honor. So I mean, this is the big, like recently where, where girls are treated just the same as boys. You don't have to be a male, um, in order to be able to i succeed. to So if, if, uh, Queen Elizabeth hadn't done this, would it have been Prince George, Charlotte, Prince Louis? Do you know what I mean? Like that's how they would have been known. Yeah.
00:40:45
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All right, so now we get up to now we can skip ahead to Archie. Okay. Um, and so, you know, there's lots of rules and some make sense and some don't, and some are confusing. Many are confusing, but there was some complaints or insinuations. Um, especially in that Oprah interview that Archie who was seventh in line to the throne was not given the distinction of the word prince. And this kind of makes sense. I mean, I don't know why it came up because it's very clear that only the sons of the direct line. So Prince of Wales son, which would have been William and then his son, which would have been George.
00:41:43
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That's pretty clear. and And then that that um upon the time that their grandfather you know exceeds, there is made king, then all of the children, the grandchildren are then given the HRH status and ah the title prince. So I think that's really clear. And I don't quite understand why that came up as a as an issue as much as it did. I think it can probably go back to Harry being known as Spare. Yeah. I'm feeling like he just was treated differently his whole life. I imagine also in that case when Camilla was given the title of Queen. Yeah, that was like, ouch. Yeah, yeah, that is a good point. That is a good point. um And, you know, it kind of could go along with
00:42:41
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Again, this is, it's kind of up to the queen to say, I can make a new rule or a letters patent. Um, and so, you know, when it was defined that Prince Williams, all three of his kids had the Royal status, um, and are all Prince and princesses, they have that title, um, then why shouldn't Archie? So normally it would have just been George.
00:43:09
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but they made ah But the queen changed the letters patent at that time so that it would have been all three of them. And I think when later we hear some interviews and we hear um that it was not protocol for Archie to be given the title, I think it's sort of in reference to this point. Yeah.
00:43:37
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Um, like the the queen made an exception in this situation, but why can't he make it? Why can't she make it? Right. Which it's again, like the family dynamic thing. Yeah. Like so much of this is family dynamic stuff. Yeah. That is just being played on this like grand scale. Totally. I yeah. A hundred percent agree with you.
00:44:02
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There is one word in here, and again, we'll get into this more later, but when they write it, ah you know when it where i I've read it multiple times, and they're talking about discussing the issue as it's related to Archie's security. And I wonder, I mean, the implication is that that's his physical security, but part of me wonders if that is, a the word is being used more in the security of his place in the line. Yeah. Or even in the family. Yeah. yeah Because if if if you look at it from the family side and not the royal side, a grandparent or great grandparent giving one set of kids something and not the other yeah can make you feel like your place in the family itself is debatable. Yeah, definitely. And then take it to that next level of like,
00:45:03
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Does he even have a spot in this family in this line of succession type of thing? Yeah. Yeah. It's your kids. When it's your kids, it hurts more. You know how you get so protective of them yeah that it would hurt. But and again i to me that that just screams back to like my thing of I think Harry makes a lot of assumptions that you know ah perception is reality for a lot of people. And he would perceive this as what happened to me as a kid is happening again to my kid. Right. But I think the way they present it is physical security. Yeah, for sure. And also, it never has been made sense to me that he wouldn't have physical security
00:45:51
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and one way or another. I'd be curious about like the protocols for physical security. If like the heirs kids do get an extra level of security because they're the heirs. Yeah. didn't know You know, i would I would be curious about all that.
00:46:08
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And I think back to Beatrice and Eugenie. And I remember that being an issue. It was it was several years back now where their security was taken from them. They did have it and it was taken.
00:46:28
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i always say there was to say they're They're pretty down the line of succession. yeah well And even like in their family, just from spare, Harry actually says a few times, like he got to do a lot more things than William did because of yeah like his spots, the line of succession. yeah So I wonder if if like the flip side is true too. That means he doesn't have as much You know, as, as much scrutiny from the palace, like he doesn't have a security guard being like, this is dumb. You're not allowed to do this. Yeah. And I think the funny episode in the future would be just to think about that. Yeah, right. Thinking about security, like in, that's interesting. In every romantic comedy I've ever seen where somebody has security, they always, they always lose the security so they can go have like a European adventure or something.
00:47:17
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And does the security guy like go home and be like, oh my God, this person is ridiculous? They're always like a bumbling idiot who ah can't keep up with Audrey Hepburn.
00:47:31
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So I find this, so this also comes into that title Earl of Dunbar, that was offered to him or should have been his title. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. Yeah. And then he didn't take it because the word dumb was in it. I don't know. That's how he struck me as weird. That feels like a brother thing. I don't know. That feels like a family. Like, I don't know. I, i my sister and I could get into a fight and she did something like that. I'd be like, why? Cause I'm dumb.
00:48:04
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I don't know. It's always struck me as fishy. And wait until my next episode, which is going to be amazing. And there could be a different reason for it.
00:48:18
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Okay. Anyways, another quote, again, that came from Oprah was, uh, and this goes, we already talked about, you know, him not being called a princess or prince, which would be different from protocol and he would not receive security, which like everything about that sort of seems wrong. But also if we're. constrain words in different ways, then that's not i mean then it's not a true lie. But I find it really interesting that that during that interview, Megan said, this went on for the last few months of our pregnancy, where I was going, hold on a second, the last few months. That's another thing that made me think, OK, was there a point when the family found out something was different? Yeah.
00:49:11
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Yeah, like again, they the the word they use, so you're saying, um so we're not saying don't, okay, this one first of all is just, okay, I'm gonna read this quote because honestly, you're more the English person. and ah They said, and it's in brackets, that he's not going to get security because he's not going to be a prince. Okay, well he needs to be safe. So we're not saying don't make him a prince or a princess.
00:49:39
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But if you are saying that title is what is going to affect that protection, we haven't created this monster machine around us in terms of clickbait and tabloid fodder. You've allowed that to happen, which means our son needs to be safe. And I mean, again, I don't know if there's different words that could be used. But again, it's like security, protect,
00:50:09
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Those things can be multiple, have multiple meanings. And I think we, we think of those as physical security, but it could be security within, in the family, in his place. And Megan said there was no suitable explanation for why Archie wasn't going to be a prince, but it's pretty simple. Okay. It goes all the way back to King George. So yeah.
00:50:35
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Again, like that was just a weird. See, I think that's fair. I think that's to them protocols, not a suitable reason to everybody else. It's a suitable reason, but to Harry who's got all this, I think I keep going back to the word trauma, but I think his whole life was like a layer of trauma that maybe he wasn't built for. It wasn't meant to be, I don't know, but yeah. I mean, that makes a lot of sense. I'm going to give you that one.
00:51:01
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Like, I think when there's the ability to make, to change something like that, case by case, and it's not offered to his child, that's not acceptable. reason Like, the protocol's not an acceptable reason to him.
Impact of King Charles's Ascension on Royal Titles
00:51:17
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Okay. I'm going to agree with you that that's fair. And I'm going to also say, I think that same principle is going to come up as we go on. So, you know, that the that the queen could have done these things. Yeah.
00:51:31
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Um, in 2012, prior to Georgia's birth, um, in 2013, um, that's when Queen Elizabeth issued the new letters, Peyton giving the HRH title to all the children of the eldest son and Prince of Wales, which makes sense because if the girl could, if a girl could possibly now become queen.
00:51:56
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it would be weird if she didn't have that that status when she was young so okay all right so now what happens with Archie and Lily's right title so obviously with Charles ascending to the throne Megan and Harry's kids do get the title prince and princess And I found this article that I'm reading really interesting because, ah you know, first of all, it says, you know, use of these titles is up to their parents. But they are able to be styled as such, which I don't know. I like I feel like that's part of this whole fight. So I think it's funny that like what I mean, they kind of said I don't care about it, but I also don't see them.
00:52:42
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turn it down these tiles, right? I thought that was kind of interesting. And then the other really interesting thing that was brought up was what if King Charles makes a letters saying they're not going to get it, get those types. And they said not, you know, not exactly as a slight against Harry and Meghan, but in in terms of his ah ideas about creating a slimmed-down monarchy. And I think that is, in and of itself, a slight against Harry and Meghan. I mean, I don't think. i I do not think. Especially now, after everything. did you And then him being like, it's not about you.
00:53:38
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Yeah, and ah yeah, and basically that goes on to say, you know, given the environment and you know, the whatever, you ah you know, all the pressure and that's come from the public. There's like, if he did that, oh my gosh, people would. Yeah, yeah, there's no coming back. Like that would be the dumbest thing he could do. Yeah, I mean, that'd be so dumb. Like so many people don't like him. Can you imagine?
00:54:06
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But it was weird how it did take longer for them to have the changes on the website. I mean, although, you know, change to a website doesn't really mean if you do. Right. Because I do remember, yeah, it was several months before they changed their title. But I don't know. I think, I mean, what's on the website? It's not really meaning to anything. Right. Right. Yeah. So we are letting our intrepid editor decide where the halfway point of this whole big conversation is, and it will be released over the two weeks. um But if you hear anything weird about her sound, anything like that, um Joy's in a different space, obviously. And she's in Cancun, so deal with it. Yeah, and yeah, if we if if it sounds like we're jumping in in the middle of a conversation, it's because we are. All right, I gotta i gotta to get out to the beach. Yeah, all right.
00:55:03
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And you've got it from here. Take care, everyone.