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The Death of Mica Acacia Francis, Part 20
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We've got another update episode on updates in the Mica Francis Miller case.
After we recorded a number of episodes, we learned that Mica's family is fighting to have her last name posthumously changed from Miller to Francis. Mica had petitioned the court for this name change before his death, and her sister, Sierra, is spearheading this fight. Because of this, we will be titling the episodes to reflect Mica and the Francis family's wishes. However, we are releasing the episodes we recorded using Miller as Mica's last name. This is simply because we weren't aware of this court filing before we started recording.
Warnings for domestic abuse, suicide, coercive control, sexual abuse, financial abuse, religious abuse, child abuse, physical abuse, mental health.
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Transcript
Introduction and Focus on Micah Miller
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to Fixate Today, Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyper-fixations fly. Today we are fixating on Micah Miller.
00:00:32
Speaker
All right, welcome back. We're here with ah another MICA update episode. This puts us officially at 20 episodes. I thought we were just going to need four at the beginning. Yeah, that was it. and That was it. All we needed was four.
00:00:47
Speaker
Oh my gosh. I mean, it, you know, and I was thinking about, I was thinking, you know, we talked, we've talked about, should it end? But honestly, there's, There's, there's so much more that there is to this case that we never had any idea. yeah And I think there's so much more that's really important. That's important to our country. I mean, it sounds, it sounds dramatic to say that, but I mean, yeah I, I, I, we can't end. That's what I guess I'm saying. Yeah. There's more to it. And I think that it's a lesson that people, not a lesson, but information people need. Yeah. And I think we're going to keep revisiting this case here and on our YouTube but yeah as things keep progressing. But yeah, I would say go check out our YouTube for like ah additional content, I guess, almost like sister or content.
00:01:45
Speaker
we expand on some things there, or vice versa, we'll expand on some things here. But I think the work we're doing both here and there, paint the picture pretty clearly with what we think. Yeah, yeah, I think, well, first of all, ah you can use pictures in there, which makes it a little bit easier yeah in one way.
00:02:03
Speaker
Where we've gone with the ah YouTube is not nearly as far like we're kind of rolling out the whole story and our whole theory as it comes along here in the podcast. um Not doing that as much, taking it more chunk by chunk, um building up the puzzle of what what's happening because, you know, quite honestly, we just don't have the time. It's going to take more time. Yeah.
00:02:30
Speaker
But yeah, did a different format, but yeah, I'd love to love to have any of you guys go over there and see what you think. And it's really easy to leave comments, so it's fun. Yeah, definitely.
Challenges in Research and Horry County Dynamics
00:02:41
Speaker
um So one thing we are doing, speaking of comments, is ah we asked people for some comments on the videos with people that might be tangentially related to the case or directly that we haven't really talked about before. um So we're working on putting together a video or a few videos about those people. um And I think I just, in it for the sake of transparency, I
00:03:09
Speaker
am actually finding that to be incredibly difficult with my ADHD. And I realized it's because I'm not finding the fixation. yeah They're telling me what to research and i'm i have I love that. I want to do that. But my dumb brain is making it so hard. I was explaining it to my kids.
00:03:32
Speaker
I was like, it's like in school when you have to do a research project and you get to pick your topic or you're told your topic. well And if I pick the topic, I'm going to be obsessed with it and dive right in. And if I'm told the topic, I'm going to do my best. mean in Between the two of us, same thing. Like I am really taken with kind of a whole different part of the story than you are really taken with.
00:03:59
Speaker
And yeah because of yeah time constraints, I yeah i i tried to i tried some bush just to so push few things off on you. and yeah you just like i just I don't care about this. It's just I can't get there. And I'm trying really hard because I don't want to push it back. Because one thing we're both really bad at is like asking for help. yeah Or, yeah, so like when you're like, I need help with this one, I'm like, I want to do everything I can, but it's really hard. Then at the same time, and and on the opposite end of that, I'm like, I kind of want to do this one. This one really interests me. and You don't want to give it up. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we'll talk through some of that today. like i think I think there's some stuff with Horry County.
00:04:44
Speaker
for Orie. I like Orie, but it's Orie. That i I find like amazingly interested in and Nicki's actors are like, okay. I'm fascinated by the web of connections that fascinates me. So there is stuff about Orie County that you you keep hearing people, like certain people's names,
00:05:10
Speaker
are being repeated that like feel like they shouldn't be directly linked to to John Paul Miller, but you keep hearing these names when you're like talking about Horry County. and and but's it i mean I don't know if I would say it a small area, but kind of a small area. yeah and Yeah. I mean, you start thinking, okay, all these people went to high school together, or right yeah what kind of It's very interesting, I think, on our YouTube.
Legal Challenges and Role of Protesters
00:05:38
Speaker
ah You know, it's so easy, so interactive that, yeah, it is kind of cool because we have some, you know, locals there and they can give us like specific names of, okay, you know, don't, you gotta go, you know, research this person or that person. And most of the time they're pretty good.
00:05:56
Speaker
they're pretty good suggestions. Yeah, we haven't figured out completely. And we're just gonna for our podcast like today, we're just going to kind of give a fairly brief overview of them. And then we will do a little bit more of a deep dive over on the YouTube. So do you want to start with like just a couple updates of like the actual timeline of stuff going on. Yeah. i'm We basically, I mean, really were picking up at about the FBI raid. Yeah. The last, ah the last update we did, the last thing we talked about was JP's arrest for assaulting a protester. So that was, yeah, that was the last thing we talked about. And I think it was actually the day we recorded, like right before we jumped on, he had been arrested. So today is December 1st.
00:06:48
Speaker
JP was released on bond. It was like $760 or something like that. I believe, I know he has a hearing coming up. I think it's December 10th. I can't remember for sure, but I'm pretty sure that's when it is. I mean, I think he's going to be found guilty or he's going to put in a guilty plea and it's going to be like a fine. It's going to be a slap on the wrist. He's not going to like go to jail or anything. I think he's got some bigger things. Yeah.
00:07:18
Speaker
Yeah, um but it seemed like the scope of the assault was that he tapped the protesters hat. Like I don't think they're gonna, I don't think they're gonna like throw the book at him. I mean, it was it was slightly silly. Yeah, it was slightly silly, but I do appreciate that. It's just another thing he has to deal with. So he, in the meantime, has successfully gotten some restraining orders against some protesters. It sounds like from True Sunlight podcast,
00:07:51
Speaker
He's attempting to get a restraining order from like, against everybody, every protester there's ever been. Probably has one for us. I wish we were big enough that there was one for us. I know. I'm still waiting for that cease and desist, that fake cease and desist from his lawyer. We need more downloads, guys, so we can get one. You gotta share us. Share us to Myrtle Beach.
00:08:15
Speaker
And true sunlight highlighted this, but it occurred to me also that it seems to have been pretty easy for JP to get a couple of these restraining orders against protesters. And it took a lot for Micah to be able to get a restraining order against JP. So I think based, uh, based on what we've know about Ori County and the Myrtle Beach area and how they treat men in power and women. It's not very surprising, but it is very discouraging. So I'm just kind of curious about your opinion on this, and I think we're going to disagree. As far as the protesting, I hate to say it, but I'm over it.
00:09:01
Speaker
like I'm pretty sure the FBI is on this thing pretty deep. I don't think we need to be- So for for in terms of the assault that JP was arrested for, like he the protest was definitely pushing buttons.
00:09:19
Speaker
And I have a hard time with that. I have a hard, I don't know. I would hope that if I saw him walking by, I guess it comes down to like, when I are you with somebody, I want to win. I want to be the bigger person. And that's not necessarily a- Two different things. Okay, I- But that's not necessarily, like I always make it very clear that doesn't mean I'm like, I don't know. I do it because I'm petty.
00:09:46
Speaker
And so if I were if I were a protester and I saw him walking by, I would do everything I could not to instigate because I don't want to be put in the like, I don't want to be seen in the wrong. Like if he does anything to me, I want him to be 100 percent at fault. Does that make sense? And I'm afraid that a lot of the protesters are there to push his buttons and not necessarily working for justice. And that I have an issue with. If there are protesters that are still there truly like you know against the church, against this man, trot like advocating for actual justice for Micah, that I think is very different than people are there just to piss off JP.
00:10:36
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I guess I look at it. this is I look at it from, geez, part of the neighbor neighbor's perspective and how oh how much how difficult that should be. And also, when we're protesting for justice, what what's justice? What does that mean? what's What's the outcome that you want? I think him being held accountable for her death in whatever way.
JP's New Ventures and Influences
00:11:04
Speaker
And the other thing is the reason I do think protest is valuable is um i kind of what we're doing, we we're making sure to keep talking about this because the news cycle is so insanely fast that as soon as people, like i think and I think that's what people like GP are waiting for, people to forget about it or to move on to the next thing. And so that's where I see the value in it is it's still,
00:11:32
Speaker
in everybody's face, the people who are still attending Solid Rock have to see that and hopefully question where they are, I guess, if that makes sense.
00:11:44
Speaker
Yeah, I mean I just, yeah, and I guess it's just when we say justice and we say that we want him to go to jail. First of all, we do not know for sure that's him that you know that how directly it is so to me in a way you're protesting for something you're not even quite sure what the outcome is.
00:12:03
Speaker
um or Or should be and you know, I'm a big believer that the FBI is all over this thing. Yeah yeah They're gonna take care of Justice is it going to come and justice is not gonna come from local police justice is coming from Much bigger. Yeah, and I will say I am pro um Being a thorn in the side of the local police So I'm cool with the protests happening outside of Horry County Police Department and Horry County, you know, any government offices right now, because they've got a pretty extensive history of bad things. ah agree Agreed. Agreed.
00:12:46
Speaker
a year Yeah, I do agree with that. Maybe it's just that I feel bad for the neighbors. I mean, I don't know if you listened to any of the tapes or the videos that the neighbors released from the FBI raid. They seem pretty excited about it all. Oh, really? Yeah, I have to say one other part is I guess it's my autism. like It's so loud and so repetitively. I don't think I could be a protester.
00:13:14
Speaker
like because of actual um sensory yeah like sensory overload i i just couldn't do it like i couldn't keep yelling the same thing over and over i don't know i'd probably start doing what i do at birthday parties when people sing happy birthday and i just mouth it
00:13:34
Speaker
You guys like totally go noise canceling headphones with noise canceling, uh, AirPods. Exactly. So anyways, we talked too long about nothing. Okay. Well, the other thing I wanted to mention is also in this last month, well, when we last recorded, we talked about trucks being loaded up at solid rock church and it looked like the church was being shut down. Since then we found out that JP has filed I feel like it's a filed for filed an LLC but I'm not positive but for a new church called Living Water um something that is interesting in that and I can't remember if we talked about this and I think I got this from Robbie Harvey but in the filing it says something along the lines like if this church should end or
00:14:27
Speaker
you know anything like that, um Charles Randall is entitled to all the assets. And I think that was the case for Solid Rock as well, but I'm not positive about it. But all that to say, if this new endeavor, which is so what JP's father did, just like this church ended was, get a new name, everyone will follow me, if anything should happen. And I i wonder if that also means if JP as the, I imagine, sole proprietor of The church should be arrested and go to prison. It'll fall under Charles Randall's purview and he would be entitled to the assets of the organization. But I don't know how that all works. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a lot about fall of the bunny. Yeah. I think there's, there's the money. Uh, I mean, I haven't made any qualms about the fact that I think there's
00:15:20
Speaker
to, at a minimum, some money laundering going on here. And it has to be put somewhere. That money has to go somewhere. And remember, like a lot of these players in this whole saga have quote unquote churches. yeah So I like multiple. right ah ah Yeah. I mean, maybe JP's the only one who has a physical one, but yeah.
00:15:47
Speaker
a lot of them out. So speaking of that, I think this is kind of weird and I haven't seen too much about it because I literally saw it before we sat down to record. Um, and it just came up in my Facebook newsfeed kind of randomly, I guess. Um, but i I just opened Facebook while I was waiting for you to come on. And there was a post from Robbie Harvey that solid rock church did in fact meet today.
00:16:13
Speaker
It is Sunday, a different location. And there was this kind of cheaply janky sign that just said something like Solid Rock Church. And it looked like the the pictures weren't good. It was only a close up of the sign. But it looked almost like a storage facility. like It had the big side metal doors that go up and down. That was all I could really see of the location. That that that must be great.
00:16:43
Speaker
But there's air conditioning. and We would hope that in that South Carolina humidity. So there is still a faction of solid rock church meeting somehow. Whether it's under the same name, whether they're just using the name on the signage and it's a different business. I don't know all of that, but there are still people attending church with John Paul Miller, no matter where it may be.
00:17:12
Speaker
And this is maybe a stretch and off topic, but I'd like to see who went. Me too. And I am a believer. I I think there's a chance that when JP is giving his sermons, there are messages. He's saying a lot of things that he's not saying. Yeah. I think there's messages being conveyed to some parishioners, not all by any means, um, through his service. Yeah. And I'd love to do, I'd love to get into that because I think the same, I, I i think is through a lot of his letters and texts and with him and Micah.
FBI Raid and Suspicious Deaths
00:17:54
Speaker
So I would love to, one of these days, um, as one of the topics, yeah i think that but I would love to get into that and try to figure out like, okay, what, what could he do? Yeah. It's almost like looking at
00:18:07
Speaker
those communications and figuring out what's repeated in what context. Or at least guessing. I mean, you know, you can't ever. Right. I just wonder if yeah, that, that those are the person or storage unit church one. So they should change change the name too. So that's all I got. So there's not actually a ton of like new stuff in the last month, but I'm excited to hear what you're going to talk about.
00:18:35
Speaker
Yeah, i mean i mean i and we we talked about the FBI raid. I just want to go back to an FBI raid of 14 to 15 officers is not a minor thing. like Heavily armed also. Yeah, this is not small. And you know I wish I had the warning or of the wording for exactly what the claim was. I don't know the word. The the warrant. Warrant was?
00:19:03
Speaker
um yeah i really want to know that well because they made it very vague i mean i did hear it once yeah very vague and so that it could sound like it was for mica i don't think well it was the the charge one of the the main charge on it was Oh, it was like interstate domestic violence, something like that, was the charge that we know was listed on there. And what I think the official, what has been publicly told that is being investigated. And the interstate is what it allows it to be federal. And I think it kind of makes it sound like it might be due to MICA, but I think it's due to, I mean, maybe MICA also, but
00:19:52
Speaker
Right, I think Micah is the ah door into the bigger things he's being investigated for. Yeah, I think that was, there's something much bigger. And I know that they have said something about seeing somebody who looked like the Attorney General. And I mean, I've just heard that like, and but yeah, I heard that too. I know there was definitely someone from the Attorney General office there. I mean, but I don't think it's pretty big deal. But I also don't know how how unusual that is. But I have no idea. I haven't had an FBI raid in a while. I know. The last time you did was there someone from the United States. I just can't remember. I was worried about other things. I had stuff to hide, destroy, burn. So I mean, I do find that interesting.
00:20:48
Speaker
One thing, again, I wish we had comments sometime. What was with the person found deceased at the end of his road in the car right before the FBI raid that had nothing to do with this?
00:21:06
Speaker
but just seems way too coincidental. Yeah. So just a reminder, our last update when we were walking through the timeline of the FBI raid, right outside of JP's neighborhood, in land that I believe he owns, or he partially owns, he co-owns, but it's land that might be under solid rock church ownership or something like that. Yeah, I think it was the land where they were going to build. I think so too. New churches.
00:21:36
Speaker
There was just before the FBI raid, like the police went from this crime scene to JP's house. There was a discovery of a dead body. It was in a car. The person was in a car, I believe, or by their car. No, by their car. They were found next to their car, I think. And they really quickly, like we keep seeing, declared it a suicide. And then it was within,
00:22:03
Speaker
an hour or so. Yeah. I read started. Right. And, you know, there we, and we are working currently working on a video of a whole bunch of women whose deaths were attributed, no matter how long could have been moments by the person who did it, or it could have been months, years that the perpetrator said it was a suicide and really it was a murder. And so at first I was like, when we talked last time I was on board, I was like, it's not related. Let's focus on this. But after doing all of that research, and then even some of the research we're doing for the YouTube channel, there's a lot of weird deaths that are being called suicides. Yeah, I was gonna say, there's just a lot of suicide. Yeah. And I think like,
00:22:59
Speaker
The grand thesis of that part of my research is we need police and investigators to, I don't even know if better training's the word, but they need to not just like, suicide sometimes seems like an easy answer. They're quick to write things off as based. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:22
Speaker
and um I think there needs to be, like on the state level and the federal level, enacted better protocols for a scene where there is a death and there needs to be more investigation before saying before declaring it a suicide. I think there needs to be any investigation before declaring a death a suicide.
00:23:46
Speaker
And I mean I'm gonna get into it one or two a little bit later but i for me it's especially these murder suicides where you know one spouse murdered their spouse and then took the gun on to themselves.
00:24:04
Speaker
and there's been a lot of them like it just now like a lot and that I will say I do there's been a lot of studies about it because they it got bad during COVID lockdowns the instances that happened and it was truly a murder suicide um so there is like that is a thing that happens I don't want to write off That is a phenomenon. It is a thing that happens.
Political Connections and Implications
00:24:31
Speaker
Typically it is the man in the relationship feeling a loss of control, having some sort of secret, having something like that, feels the need to... it A lot of times it happens to be like a family massacre, not just a murder-suicide. um But there is ah that is under the umbrella, of course, of control, that that is an outcome.
00:24:55
Speaker
of you know those abusive situations. ah So I think what we're talking about is when that is determined too quickly. Yeah, because to me, yeah and I do realize, yes, it does happen. It seems like it's happened a long recently. And to me, if you're a bad guy trying to make something look like you're going in and taking to people out and setting it up to look like something else. it That would be a fair thing. Yeah. Especially if you know it's not going to be very well investigated as anything else. Cops are going to come in, think it's this, boom, it's over for me. I get away with it. Especially if you kind of have the police force in your back pocket. Right. Which we know the corruption is there, so. All right, so we got through one thing.
00:25:51
Speaker
I do think Robbie Harvey, I know that's YouTube, not our podcast, but and I don't know. I know a lot of people have heard of him and he has been um recently talking about this case being something that affects people and it goes up to the national level. And if that's correct, then I think we're on the right path with our thinking about what was happening, what is happening. yeah It gets very important for us to all understand it. And if this, you know, outside, um,
00:26:38
Speaker
I don't want to say seemingly and simple because it's not, you know, but I think if it leads to people understanding a massive, terrible thing happening throughout our nation, that again, let's let's make sure that we realize that Micah took a huge sacrifice for the sake of others.
00:27:03
Speaker
yeah along those lines and this is a huge jump but i'm gonna throw it out there first of all let me say we are not a political channel in any way and it's sometimes hard to make something not seem political. So I feel like the best way we can do that is not talking about political party at all. We will talk about politicians. Right. I was just going to say, like, I think everything is so polarized right now. I think it's fair to say people are allowed to talk about public people and what their political affiliation is isn't necessarily
00:27:46
Speaker
the issue. Like that's not what we're talking about. So if we're talking about somebody who is very, you you know, they're on one, one party or the other, that doesn't necessarily mean we are on one party or another privately. Absolutely. We are publicly at this point. That's not what we're getting into. And We're not really interested in hearing anything. Well, and to be perfectly honest, in this case, there's like if we're talking about political parties, ah there's problems on both sides. You know what I mean? There's issues. So um yeah you know I'm going to use names of politicians. you know You very well may know what their affiliation, party affiliation is. But we're we're not saying a group of people is evil. We're not saying anything like that.
00:28:37
Speaker
We have big opinions about political things, but that's right now, right here, is not what we're talking about. So big step. This is a big step and in what um but what we have been talking about, but some of you may know there was a congressional representative whose name is Matt Gaetz, and he represents the state of ah one of the districts in the state. And recently he's been in the media a little bit more because he was a consideration for the attorney general of the US. I've just always had, he has been caught up or um implicated or at least accused of some pornography and maybe even trafficking. a case no yeah So
00:29:31
Speaker
on things with underage girls, like there's a lot. And because of the research we've done with the Michael Miller case, there's definitely a um geographical connection between the Carolinas, Florida, and up to New York and New new Jersey. There's a lot of connections there.
00:29:54
Speaker
and And because of that and because of, you know, what the history, his history has been, and um ah you know, I decided, okay, I'm just gonna look, I'm just still looking up. I just have this weird feeling. And well, let's also say like, so the announcement was made that he was being considered and he, as attorney general for the incoming, incoming president. And immediately he resigned his congressional seat.
00:30:24
Speaker
And then a few days later, he withdrew and said, I'm not going to accept that nomination. And the congressional report and into investigation into his doings was about to be released two days after he resigned. Yes. And now the resignation makes that in terms of any action that could be taken against him if the allegations were found credible as a Congressman that is now moot, that is off the table. So because of all that, I don't know. I just thought, ah I'm just going to look at him and just, I mean, I know who he is, but just see if there's any connection. And one of the first things I saw was that he had started a committee of sorts, but not necessarily
00:31:23
Speaker
government committee. It was kind of confusing and it didn't really lay out the purpose of it, which almost made it even stranger. um And it was a committee that is focused on El Salvador. It's him and two other Congress people. The only thing that their goals kind of vague Um, the one thing that they had, um, that they had passed or, um, helped put forward was a, a bill to make it easier in El Salvador to, to travel in and out kind of a strange thing. But, uh, if you're trying to, well, it especially when you're part of a party that is identified with attempting to limit immigration.
00:32:19
Speaker
That's interesting. And, you know, just to go back to in case you don't remember, you know, our theory does have something to do with the children at the border who have been coming the illegal unaccompanied minors at the border. And the majority of them are coming from Honduras.
00:32:41
Speaker
Also, yeah. Central American in Guatemala. Yeah. So when I saw that, like he had this kind of questionable, um, committee that struck me as strange, especially because I know we've talked about Mark Kaufman before. Yes. So just a reminder Mark Kaufman.
00:33:04
Speaker
is ah JP's BFF. They have best friend matching heart necklaces. One has one side, the other has the other and they put them together. You are joking. Do bad things. Yeah, I absolutely, but it'd be adorable. um Mark is the co-owner of Crocodile Rocks, the bar that According to Micah, JP was known to take bags of cash out of and bring to Solid Rock Church as well as their home. Mark owns a couple other different restaurants and businesses in the Myrtle Beach area that have questionable
00:33:38
Speaker
cash policies, ah very aggressive staff, things like that. I had a lot of yeah violence, fights, all the things going on. We did have like aggression just to let our, because we love our comments and our community here, and and we do read and go through everything. um Somebody did point out that Mark Hoffman is a very good piano player, as is JP. And JP's father happens to be a talented piano player. And this person said, you know, they do look an awful lot alike. Could there be some genetic bond? so I mean, I just want to put it out there.
00:34:32
Speaker
Um, so so when you go look through and you do research, um, on some, you know, just pretty general websites about people's profiles. And I was looking at Mark Kauffman and so, you know, there's Mark Kauffman, you know, under aliases, there's his name and different spellings, his name with different initials in the middle, like middle name initials. And then at the end of it, there's Delia Flores. And I'm like.
00:35:03
Speaker
What? Huh? So I, it just, I went and looked up Delia Flores. Turns out she is the grandmother of a young lady who opened up a restaurant in this grand strand area of the city. So close to where crocodile rocks is.
00:35:22
Speaker
And she indicated, there's a, there's an interview with her out there, which maybe one of these days, hope I can get the audio from it and share, but, and she sounds like a lovely person and the the restaurant itself, it sound, you know, she uses her grandmother's recipes, her grandmother's very proud of her. And they're very excited about the restaurant. So not saying in anything, any, anything way about, or any way, anything bad about them, but.
00:35:48
Speaker
in it she actually there's an interview in which she says you know that they were having trouble and coming in against some hurdles with you know getting the restaurant open and the like the permissions and permits they needed. And then kind of indicated like then so something came along or something changed and then they were able to get them and and overcome these challenges and and get the restaurant open. um Again, maybe just a weird coincidence, but Delia Flores is from Honduras. Hi.
00:36:31
Speaker
I mean, I'm not saying anything about this woman and may have nothing to do with her. I mean, he may just have helped this restaurant. He may have nothing to do with this restaurant whatsoever. It's just another one of those weird things, like ah I'll put it in the category of a body being found by JP's house on the day
Land Development and Real Estate Ties
00:36:51
Speaker
of the FBI raid. We don't know what that is. We don't know what it means. It's weird. And a lot of the weird things probably mean something else. Yes, not all of them. But but I mean, that in a case like this, we, I mean, that's how we put the puzzle together, what's going on. Right. And, you know, one by one, there are things to look for. Things we noticed. Okay.
00:37:17
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over on the YouTube channel, you know, we do get a lot of comments and, um, and names and references. So, um, we're gonna, we're gonna take those, um, and use those to benefit us over on, on our podcast. So, um, there was another gentleman that we've heard about and he goes, uh, his name is Kirk Hanna. Turns out that he is one of JP's good friends. And interestingly enough, he is on the deed to JP's house. In fact, if you look up Kirk Hanna, his residence is listed at the rest of JP's house. He owns a construction company called Hanco. And Hanco seems to have owned a lot of land.
00:38:10
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and They develop a lot of commercial as well as residential properties. But one of the, as far as residential goes, he seems to have built a lot of these kind of large neighborhoods, very much like where the neighborhood that JP lives in, you know, just yeah hundreds of houses, you know, kind of built row on row.
00:38:39
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So that's Kirkhanna. Now what I think I'd like to get a little bit into Horry County and maybe I will in a second but but there was a lot of land at one point with the Air Force Base closing. There was a lot of land out there that was available and so let's also remind people like with the Air Force Base thing that was the one that Back in like this early 90s, I can't remember. JP's father attempted to purchase or he ended up purchasing a portion of it or something like that. He wanted that old Air Force Base, right? Yeah. Because we've talked about that. We've talked about that with Wayne Miller. Yeah. And I've researched the Air Force Base a little bit more and I find this fascinating.
00:39:31
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So there was this old, very large Air Force base, and I do think it was the early 90s, where there was um bases all over the US that were um deemed no longer necessary and closed. And the people in in this Myrtle Beach area were very frightened or had um negative ideas about like how this was going to affect their kind economy, their land values, to suddenly have this eyesore of an old Air Force base sitting right there, you know, in the middle of their city. Tourist destination city. So there was a lot of effort put into making sure that that that was not the case.
00:40:20
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And so it was between, there was a lot of tax breaks that were given to a lot of people who purchased this land. The government agreed to do a lot of the infrastructure, the laying the water pipes and the electricity lines so that it could be more usable land. And then, then.
00:40:45
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it seems like some people bought up huge portions of this land. Kind of like they had, it kind of reminds me of um Russia post-Soviet days where a number of oligarchs, like you know, like when everything was crumbling, got in there and grabbed some stuff at a really good price. And I think that's what happened here with this with this air force or Air Force Base. Wayne Miller was one of those people involved and that's when he was purchasing or wanted to perched purchase the the church, which he ended up purchasing and which ended up becoming Solid Rock Church. I think he wanted to buy more land too. Yeah, I think so too. But a for I don't know why that fell through. There were some great deals or breaks given for any businesses that were like,
00:41:42
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bringing positive moral things to the area. So um I believe that he even got an extra special deal on it.
00:41:53
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And there's so much to go back and talk about there because then because that's what ended up being that whole grand strand area, which is where all the restaurants that we talk about now, like that whole area got developed and and has turned out to be very successful. And this whole project was looked upon as being a huge win for the area, which easily could have turned the out the other way.
00:42:20
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so started there. so the So we have this gentleman by the name of Kirk Hanna. And I'm going to believe, I don't know this for a fact, that he was able to purchase up a big portion of this land. Um, and then was able to use that to build, you know, some of these large track neighborhoods, um, and, or some of the restaurants. He had large residential. He had, I mean, he had just like, ah but I mean, I had all kinds of the the companies built all kinds of different, um, different locations. So interestingly enough, he ran for
00:43:03
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local public political office quite a while back. Oddly enough, he ran for a district in which the previous representative had committed suicide. Another suicide.
00:43:23
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And Nikki, what kind of, he worked someplace, wasn't it? It was, he committed suicide at work. He worked for a gun manufacturer. He was, I think a higher up in this business. And of course I don't have my notes, so I can't remember what, but he died at his work building. Yeah. So again, just another suicide and especially another suicide that opened up a political district in which this gentleman who has a lot of reasons to need political favors ran against and
00:44:04
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if we're talking about trafficking and money laundering, weapons trafficking falls under that. Now, I don't know any, I don't know anything about this company. I can't even remember the name of the company. It's just interesting that, you know, when we talk about Horry County and Myrtle Beach and trafficking comes up and now we're talking about a gun manufacturer, I don't know, it's just another one of those pieces to consider.
00:44:35
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But yeah, to be begin, we don't know, but something to look at. and And I think we've talked about how trafficking usually isn't just one thing that is being trafficked.
Crime Exploration in Horry County
00:44:45
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I mean, you're coming up with routes to traffic things, so it's usually human drug weapons. I mean, there's usually more more than one thing going on.
00:44:54
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So yeah, I mean, I guess at this point, that's about what we know about Kirk Hanna. We have been told he has very ye deep pockets, lots of money. And it's been questioned. How did JP purchase his home?
00:45:16
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From this guy or or how did it get transferred to him? Yeah, there are some weird things I know I that i'm I'm not sure if they've come up here, but there are some more weird things with some of the prices of JP's home, you know, it was bought for I don't know to $300,000 and then recently it was sold for 34,000, just some very questionable deals going on with that house. And, you know, and that's often how money fraud is committed. So yeah, we'll just kind of stick with that for now. might We might do a whole episode on him. Yeah. I think, I think he's been successful in staying under the radar and all this. And I don't know how with his name being on JP's house.
00:46:06
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But I think he's an interesting character to look into. It's interesting how some people have flown ah under the radar. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes that makes me think they're higher level involvement in this. I don't know. Yeah, I know. it's There's just so much.
00:46:31
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There's so many connections and there's so many, it's just like a big ball of yarn that has to get unraveled. And yeah, I feel like every time we say, even like on YouTube also, we're like, okay, this is our to-do list. These are the things we want to get done. These are the videos we're going to do. This is what we're going to talk about on the podcast. And then six more things, six more topics come from that one thing.
00:46:54
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I wish we could to stay up with everything we have that we want to talk about. It'd be amazing. yeah yeah i if it yeah I wish we could create episodes so quickly because there's so much. It's so interesting.
00:47:11
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And right now our YouTube channel is Micah. It's a Micah channel. We don't have any other, like, and that was not the purpose. That was not the goal, but that's what it is right now because we just keep finding more stuff, which actually makes me happy that on the podcast, we're able to like do a couple, like we're on a different series and stuff like that. But it's just like, this is, I i think this is really huge.
00:47:38
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I think the lessons to be learned and the information to be learned is necessary. Okay, so then there's this couple. Again, these are all, I'm kind of just giving you an overview and and i knew we need to go back. Any of the riddles? Yeah, I don't know anything about them. They're pretty recent. They're one of, there's been kind a lot of murder suicides in the area that have been related, I guess, you know, it's been assumed that they're domestic violence. I mean, and they may be, that that may be all it is.
Political Figures and Systemic Issues
00:48:19
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I just think if you're going to go in and try to hurt some people, murder some people,
00:48:30
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this would be like a fairly easy way to set it up two to get away with there, have the investigations go the other way.
00:48:42
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So the riddles, yeah, this was spen like mid-August. I think their names were Amber and John. They were pronounced dead at the scene and they lived in Marietta, which I guess is Pickens County. So just nearby? Okay, that doesn't mean anything.
00:49:03
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But yeah, they're calling calling it a possible murder, murder, suicide. That one, they do, do say they are doing some more investigations. Just as September 24th, there was kind of another one. This was in Kennan Creek and another couple. This is about 17 miles away from Charleston. There were some signs of struggle here.
00:49:29
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The woman's name was Katie Sullivan. And then her partner was Matt Vasco. There were indications of foul play. And and take in this one um was connected to somebody at Solid Rock. And there hasn't been much said about it that we've heard since then.
00:49:58
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You know, another name that has come up is a gentleman at Thomas Duval guest junior. I think he goes by Val of all guests. And he is another South Carolina state representative from Myrtle Beach.
00:50:17
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And haven't quite figured out his connection yet, but it has been something that we've had pointed out as somebody who we should be looking into further. Yeah. Even before we asked on our YouTube channel, I have heard his name around my research.
00:50:39
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It started coming up. And I think that's a trend we're seeing a little bit more of is a little bit more of these political connections, which is worrisome. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess that's our quick update. ah Yeah, just just interested to know a little bit more about some of these people, especially that
00:51:05
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that body that was found at the end of JP's nearest neighborhood, um, in that field. so I guess one other thing and that I had thought of with that is, uh, with Kirk Hannah owning so much land in that area. Yeah. I am going to take a wild guess that he may have owned that land. And when, um, JP talks about like getting a good price on the land or whatever.
00:51:32
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that, you know, I may have to do with this Kirk Hannah. Yeah. um Who was also affiliated with the church at one point. Right. Yeah. And on his website, you can see that he very is very proud of the work he did on the Orie County Police Department headquarters. Yeah, he built it. I forgot. I forgot to mention that. He built the Orie County Police Station.
00:52:01
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Come on, that's just crazy. Guys, this is too much. Yeah. Oh, wow. I forgot about that. So, um, yeah, another just very strange connection. I had another name. I like it. Hasn't been brought up much. No. So don't know what that means, buddy.
00:52:23
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I don't know. I think that there are a lot of people in that area who are very nervous. I think so too. With this all. And if I'm being completely honest, I'm kind of surprised JP hasn't been taken out by somebody. ah so Well, I think, I think um Yeah, yeah when they talk about when I've heard about him being nervous and I think them you know insinuating he's nervous because the police might be on to him, I think he might be nervous because there's some other reasons. I think he might be nervous beyond beyond the police and rather. And all he needed to do was have
00:53:08
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the sense to not be a weirdo the day after his wife died, having that, and doing that a stupid thing at the end of the sermon. and Can you, I mean, well I guess we should thank him.
00:53:23
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rightly right But yeah, can you believe that what that one one act has led to so much? You know what? I think he would have been taken out if he wasn't, if the FBI wasn't so close. If he wasn't so public right now too, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, at this point, that's what's saving him.
00:53:45
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I mean, I think there's definitely some sleep. There's some definite sleep arguing going on. and It's just going to be interesting to see how how it shakes out. And again, I don't know that we're ever right going to know the answers. And so I think like our part of what we want to do is always keep it focused on Micah too. that Because my one of my fears is that this if we're on to what we think we're on to, this is so big that I don't want her to be forgotten. But at the same time, if it is what we think it is, oh my God, what a hero. And yeah how scary would it be to jump in to something that goes this high as an individual?
00:54:33
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I just think it's amazing. I mean, I think it's amazing if it was just on a small local level. I think this was on some ah much, much bigger. yeah And, you know, she's an amazing. Yeah. Yes. Let's not forget her though. Right. not Right. And.
00:54:52
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And then you know what, ah she's a person that is in the public eye. I'm sure that's also many people across this nation who have also helped in such manner and will never, you know, will never know about them and the organic knowledge of it. But I mean, yeah, there's a lot of. And let's also say that we, we, I still, and I don't know if you necessarily agree or not, but I think you do.
00:55:18
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I still believe that two things are are true. I think that these big level things were happening and I think she was terribly abused. and and And I know there are two things happening, but I don't think they're completely separate. I think it was a woman who was being abused who decided I'm not going to take this anymore um and and was so st strong in that opinion or you know, in her strength that when she decided she was not going to take the abuse anymore, she, she, uh, she went all the way with it. And, um, and that, and she bottled up that anger, pain and that hopefully will lead to much yeah justice all around. All right.
00:56:10
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All right, my friends. Thank you for joining us again. Next week, we're going to go back to Meghan Markle. I think we have an episode. I said I wasn't going to do that. I wasn't going to say how many episodes. We don't know how many more episodes we think for Meghan Markle. That's what I'll say. Put a thing on two, Meghan. Yeah, we're not going 20, but. Yeah, but we appreciate all you guys for listening, and I look forward to talking to you again. All right, bye. Bye.