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Tumblereads 29: What Would You Spend Your Money On?
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The Smut Report team talks about what would entice us to buy special editions (TL;DR: annotations).
Show notes at smutreport.com/podcast
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction
00:00:03
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Hello and welcome to the Smart Report podcast. This week is Tumblrids, like it is most weeks. ah Surprise! Yay!
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ah At least you know that then it's going to be relatively short, right?
Ideal Podcast Length Discussion
00:00:18
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so Is that what people look for in their podcasts? Shortness? I don't know. I always appreciate it when it's either really long for doing chores or short enough for a commute.
00:00:28
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ah This is true. Yeah. I used to listen to ah like the History of Rome or whatever this guy did. It was like four hours at a time because he just was like, we're doing this now.
00:00:39
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I was like, okay. ah Maybe it was like a special history. So he's like, I'm just going to talk about Rome for four hours. And he's like, I'm just going to talk about whatever. So that was interesting. I wonder if I could even find
Enjoyable Lengthy Podcasts
00:00:50
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it anymore. And then the history of England was always an hour. And that was like, perfect. David Crowther is just a delight to listen to. But a lot of the time, yeah, like if it's, I don't know, 30 minutes to an hour, I think it's good.
00:01:00
Speaker
You can give us feedback, friends and listeners. Come and tell us. What do you think? All right. What's your preferred podcast length? survey maybe maybe we should put poll poll in our show notes all right anyway that was a long cold open totally intentionally obviously i'm erin i'm ingrid and i'm holly and we are the smut report we are the smut report welcome welcome newbies if there are any and welcome back to our dedicated listeners thank you for being here
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Tumblr and Special Edition Books
00:01:33
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All right. So since we're tumble reading, am going to, i guess, see where the wind takes us. But after we finished recording last week's episode, ah Holly raised an interesting point about special editions. So last week we talked about these Kickstarter programs for... special edition copies of your favorite romance and how we feel about that and what is even happening there.
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But the new question maybe is, ah especially in view of Holly being like, well, I like all these books, but I don't think I'm going to do this Kickstarter and Ingrid being like, I would rather...
00:02:13
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I would rather have the original book or a used copy so that it feels like it's my original book. Exactly. And so then the i that begs the question or the follow question, as I said, is, okay so what would you spend your money on?
Special Editions with Author Annotations
00:02:29
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Yeah. what Well, I said, to you f after we finished recording, I said, I would consider it if they were annotated. So um Alexis Hall, um recent in the past couple of years, kind of recently re-released the Spires books, which were some of the first books he wrote. um And ah Glitterland is the first one in in the series. call it a series. They're like very loosely very nicely connected. very yeah Anyone can be read standalone. But he re-released, and it they were originally self-published and he re-released them, but the re-released versions are annotated by him. And so throughout the books, there are footnotes
00:03:14
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um where he talks about how like the writing process or uh you know sometimes it's just like wow I can't like that line is so great I can't believe I wrote it um or sometimes he's like oh wow I would write this really differently now or um how thing because I think there was about a tenure gap between when he first wrote them when he re-released them um and some of it is like talking about how the characters are describing themselves as so old and he's like well my you know my much older than these characters self now is has very different thoughts about aging all kinds of different stuff and um if you are familiar with alexis hall and his writing voice you
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can probably suspect that his annotations are delightful. h And so something like that, I'd be like, oh, yeah, I would like, I would be fascinated to read Loretta Chase's annotations of Lord of Scoundrels. Or alternatively, a different kind of annotation would be a scholarly annotation of any of
Annotated Editions in Romance Novels
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these books. Like I would be fascinated to read um a scholar of american history or american literature annotation of indigo and like right like what was going on in the 90s when she published it what was going on in but like in publishing when she wrote it um what's the context for what's going on in this book um like a lot it a lot of the like so much historical well since
00:04:53
Speaker
our examples right now are historical romance but we can expand this out like actually so many romance texts are so rich and like historical romance there's so much research that goes into it um that i would also be really interested in that but i like this is me like pushing up my non-existent glasses i'm like hello fellow nerds where's my where's my morning critical edition this is exactly this is the like where's my norton critical edition laura kinsale that's what i want actually but it's cool this is the marriage of your historical romance and english lit nerdery yeah it is you're right yeah i know i'm like i have a doctorate i could do that she wants it all money and i will do a norton critical edition of something so yeah everything
00:05:44
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One book at a time. They probably take like it at least a year to do.
Appeal of Special vs. Original Editions
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Well, Ingrid, what about you? What about me? Because you don't have miss necessarily the history nerdery, but you have lit stuff and you've just been on this romanticy dive. You have a lot of historical romance background, but you also have said in the past, oh, I just like to be slept along. So just convince me. um Yeah. Yeah. But so I guess the two questions are like, what would you also be interested in something like Holly's describing? Or is that just for the nerds? or
00:06:15
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would what what would you spend your money on? Like, I guess the original question still applies for you, right? Like, where are we? What? What? Well, I mean, for me, how niche are we going?
00:06:25
Speaker
I would probably. yeah Like I said, i I really like the books that I fell in love with the book reading. So the fancy editions are fine. But I know i know myself that I would if I wanted to reread a favorite, I probably wouldn't read the fancy one. I'd probably reach for the cozy one. You know what i mean? Mm hmm. Now, is are they pretty to look at? Yeah, they're pretty look at. So I agree with Holly. If it had something else in it, I'd probably be more inclined to read it. Now, I don't know that I would care so much about the historical annotations.
00:06:58
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I'm sorry, Holly, but I will say this. I love reading about the choices that authors make. So the ones that you were talking about where Alexis Hall was like, this is what I was the when I wrote this. I would eat that up with a spoon because sometimes I i want to know what I missed because there's there are things that authors that are so subtle that I i would love.
00:07:19
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to see like how some of these authors, the choices that they made and what they were thinking, which sections took you forever? Which ones did you have to rewrite seven times? And which ones did you write it once and you were done? You know, like, I think that stuff is fascinating. So I would totally read something with those kinds of annotations. You know what I mean? Tell me, I want to know what it felt like for you to write this book because I love this book.
Erin's Take on Literary Analysis
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You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, i I agree. And the reason that I wanted to open this conversation was because when Holly started talking about these annotations, I was like, ah yeah. Yeah.
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ah yeah take my money i think in terms of i'm not as good as at literary analysis as you guys i i think my brain has to pretzel more because of the way it is and that's one of the reasons that i never liked taking english ah like stop trying to make me interpret stuff just just give me the information i need poetry is the absolute worst please don't make me read poetry Shame on you. having I know. it's It's fine. You can bond with my kid over poetry, I guess. It's the Sudoku of literature, but it's fine.
00:08:25
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i had i actually had Sorry, this is totally tangential, but we're on Tumblereads, so I'm going to go with it. We read a book. Oh, we read... um The Man Who Was Thursday, which for my book, one of my book clubs, and it's absurdist humor about ah real religion and anarchy. Basically, it's like social. It's very interesting, actually. But all of us were like, I was like, on the one hand, the absurdity, i was like, this is delightful. And on the other hand, I was like, I feel like I'm supposed to be understanding a lot more ah intimated content than I am actually understanding. And one of my book club friends was like, this book made me feel dumb because it's just like you just had to like really kind of pay attention and process what the author was trying to get at with the at the end it even got into some symbolism like oh my goodness what was going on so stuff like that I'm just like again it's so hard I think the romance example for me for this from the blog is Oak King Holly King right was like oh my gosh this is beautiful but also i am missing so much stuff
00:09:31
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because I don't understand all the fantasy references. So anyway, so having an author or somebody who is aware of how literature works, adding annotations could be really helpful to me. But for me, I would be like, oh, the history of what's going on here. I think A lot of people probably don't want to, but could really benefit from understanding historical content's context of both the like Holly was describing with respect to Indigo, right? Like what was going on in the period and then also potentially the history going on in the book. Because the I think modern readers picking up old books lose a lot of context.
00:10:11
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And they're like, why is this old book not demonstrating modern values? Which makes me crazy. So I think that would be really cool.
00:10:21
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i I'm still considering like what would my own take my money be. But Ingrid, did you have another now that your cat is gone? um Yes. Did you have like what's your other context for like, oh, take my money your idea? Yeah. I, here is one thing.
00:10:37
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um I, there are books actually. So in the, when we were discussing it during our last podcast, you had mentioned, know, like, well, what happens if the first book you read was an ebook, right? And so I thought about it and i guess, you know, I thought, well, usually I try to get one that's used. So it feels like I read it paper copy style. That's the truth. One, cause I think it's just more affordable and you know, why not? And two, because I don't, when it's a new book, but I've already read it, it's just a different experience. You know what i mean? But then I was thinking there are some exceptions to that rule. and I think that's what you're talking about this week, right? aaron
00:11:09
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Yeah, the exceptions, the exceptions. And one of them, for example, you will be shocked. I don't own a paper copy of Culty. What? I know. and I was thinking, gosh, there's a bunch, there's a bunch of books like that where I, I never thought about it. I, but if I found a paper copy of Culty, like if I was just walking and I saw it, it would be purchased instantaneously. Yeah.
00:11:31
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Okay, but what if it was a special edition? if it yeah I would buy it in seconds. Yes. There's another series actually that came out that I have been, and I've never been tempted, but the Demigods of San Francisco series by K.F. Breen. I've probably reread that series three or four times and it's so many books, guys. So many books. And I, she just came out with a special edition that's like a, you know, paper painted edges and stuff like that. And i I've never been more tempted in my life. i
Impulse Buying of Special Editions
00:11:58
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was And I don't own a single paper copy of those. Because I think that's partially what it is, is that in my head I was like, well, I didn't read it paper copy, so would it be the same? Should I spend the money on it? But if I just stumbled upon it, it would be impulse purchased in a second. Hmm.
00:12:12
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you know um so there are if you stumbled upon it it would have to be like at the bookstore right yes when i go to the used bookstore which is little the library bookstore so it's fundraising for the library too um i am sometimes surprised most of the time it's yeah like there's a whole shelf that's just norah roberts I think they actually pared it down a little bit because they're like, probably we don't need 10 of every single title of Nora Roberts. But ah some of them are like Zane, who is ah I thought Indy, maybe something like Harlequin Blaze or something. But I think black romance author or black romantic erotica kind of author i'm like oh it'll be like random indie pubs that are just there is that somebody bought those like 2001 uh like military lesbian romances that you nailed me out of the blue
00:13:09
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Yeah, I think so. It's like, what? Why did Aaron send these to me? Oh, those Radcliffe ones? Yeah. Because I was like, oh, do you want some Radcliffe books? Because she's like, oh, gee, sapphic. Actually, know those were I did. But then I, of course, because of it's me, it took me like three months to actually send them to you. the So you're probably like, i don't remember this at all.
00:13:29
Speaker
I did. Those actually somebody put in my little free library. But I also found like 20 of them last time I was at the at the used bookstore. Anyway. Oh, but OK, so that's a problem. Then, Ingrid, if it's an impulse purchase that you just like have to stumble across as you're out in the world, how do you get it?
00:13:46
Speaker
I don't. That's why I don't have them. with So, yeah, but I don't. have That's why I don't have them. I can't actually get culty at Barnes and Noble now. Maybe. Yeah, I is big enough. She's bigger now. yet so um ah Yeah. yeah, that's part of the problem is that I I have a very difficult time purchasing things online. I am definitely an elder millennial um because i I always put it in the cart and then I'm like, oh I'm just going to think about it. And then I never go finish the purchase. So if you have to buy it online, I'm probably never going to do it. So...
00:14:17
Speaker
And that's probably healthy. Yeah. So it means you don't end up with random packages that you have no memory of. Yeah. And i I just prefer used books. I think I like them to be lived in a little bit. And the thing is, it's like with new books, I have i have a bit of a mental trap where i feel kind of hesitant. This is from like being a broke person for so long. I don't want to spend the money on a new book if I don't know I'm going to like it. You know? Mm-hmm.
00:14:44
Speaker
But also, um I don't want to buy a book I've already read. So I end up never buying new books, almost. yeah Unless it's like a series now where i I'm pretty confident that i'm goingnna really like it. Or if it's culty.
00:15:00
Speaker
Right, or if it's culty. So like when I was went i with the throne Throne of Glass series, I bought the first book, um paperback somewhere, I don't remember. Loved it so much that I knew I was going to want the whole series. And so I asked for You know, have a couple I was like, if you want to get me the next book in the series, and then my mom because she's the sweetest bought the whole series for me.
00:15:19
Speaker
And I was so excited. And so it's in a place of honor in my living room. So it's like, you know, some stuff like that, where I just know I'm going to like the whole thing. I'll do it. So yeah. See, that's interesting. So this is interesting. but So my husband and i our last date, we went out to dinner and then we were like, we still have some time on our babysitter. So we went to the local bookstore. um is It's so dangerous when we do that. And he got this whole stack of books. And, you know, and I looked at their work. And the closest indie bookstore to my house um it doesn't have a really good romance selection. Like, mm-hmm. it's it's very small very like not that interesting um so i kind you know i always kind of check it like meh um and they have a better science fiction and fantasy like they're you know the people who own it are more interested in science fiction and fantasy so they have a better sci-fi and fantasy collection selection. And so I was like looking and I was like, you know what? um i feel like a lot of romances when I was there, i was like a lot of romances. i'm like, I'll just get them from the library. Like they're easy in, easy out. I don't need to spend my money on these. I can, you know, read them and they can be gone from my life and that's okay. But then I look at my shelf ah where I have, you know, 150 romance books on my shelf. um but almost all of them are ones that I like Ingrid bought at a used bookstore um because i don't know I don't know if it's that I like the old ones or that it feels okay to spend four dollars on it and not twenty dollars on it or or I for example found a first edition of Sky O'Malley and I'm just like this is mine this is mine
00:17:04
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like it doesn't even matter that I'm probably never gonna read it again it's so beautiful I have to own it so but I don't feel that about these like like if
Books Fit for Special Editions
00:17:15
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I found a first edition of Lord of lord of Scoundrels I'd be like this so beautiful I have to own it but I don't know if I feel the same way about like a new hard bound sprayed edges version of it yeah i I get that I don't know Well, and I think adding something new.
00:17:30
Speaker
I think it really depends. I think what this kind of proves is that no matter what the reasons are, this isn't going work for just any old book. You know what I mean? There are certain books, for example, I'm thinking about authors where I've read their entire backlist and there are some where there there's a series that I would totally snap up and others where I would just never even think about it, you know? Even with Mariana Zapata, like I would totally if I found Colsey, would buy it in a heartbeat. But some of her other books, I just don't, you know, they're fine. I like her books. Her books do a specific thing. And I think she does it really well. But I don't feel the same like absolute. That is my book.
00:18:06
Speaker
draw to it you know or it's some of them uh I'm thinking about certain romantic series but there are other historicals as well that are just so beautiful aesthetic that it fits you know where it might not even be your favorite series but there's just something about this it's a very beautiful series and it and it would work with a beautiful design I'm thinking about um you know like some Beauty and the Beast retelling or something like that uh something like that where it's just very aesthetic and it would work So, you know, that's what I was thinking. Okay, so I've thought of something that i that is different than what you guys have said that would work for me or that I have thought of in the past, although I still think the annotations might actually be the best one for me. But frequently, because I like to read indie books a lot... I think part of it is just where I am in space. ah
00:18:59
Speaker
Like the stuff that comes across my desk that seems interesting tends to be indie books, but also it might be a little bit of like ah just contrariness of being like, fine, Berkeley, you don't want to give me books, then I don't want your books either. But not just that, that's just calling Berkeley out. We're not famous enough to get their books. ah our We just don't want to try that so want to try But I think with a lot of trad pub books, I'm just like, mep and so, and that might be down to a little bit of contrariness, but a little bit of just like, I'm just more interested in where I am over in this indie space right now. And some of these authors... Because of the nature of indie books, some of these authors don't put together a paperback or hardcover any sort of solid non-ebook copy at all. and
00:19:52
Speaker
some do, but they're just like super bad at cover design. Like really bad at it. Yeah. And I think those might be ones. Yeah, exactly. This is another reason I'm like, I should learn to do binding and then I can buy a book and then find this cover. That's going to be your, you know, that's going the next thing that happens after you're done with stained glass. Yeah. You guys. ah I started making cards ah again and I was like, I'm just going to do a fun project right now and make thank you notes.
00:20:25
Speaker
And I spread paper just all over my bedroom floor. And my husband walked in before bed and was just like really arid. Just like paper all over my floor.
00:20:37
Speaker
There's glass all over the basement. Yeah. I feel like in your home renovations, you should consider like i need a work table pulley system where you can just like lower this craft down from the ceiling and then raise it back You could have like three tables and then today you decide you're doing scrapbooking. You just lower the scrapbooking table. See? Ingrid, this is I'm really ok smart. I know. i don't know where I get these ideas. But I think this might be my next hobby because ah thank you, the ADHD. There's not just so then Aaron's going to. Yeah, Aaron is going. The smart report is going to release a book of our favorites and Aaron's going to bind them. And that's what we've decided. That will be a very. And Ingrid will draw. Ingrid will draw post a note illustrations for all. of them Illustrate them. Yes. Aaron will bind them and Holly will annotate them.
00:21:31
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Yes! You're going to love it.
Creating Hypothetical Special Editions
00:21:33
Speaker
Yeah. For a lucky person. but Yeah. There will be ah easy to mass produce, obviously. Obviously. The problem them with my this idea is that like this is what I would want, but also I want the books that I want. And a lot of these indie authors... Might be okay well known in certain spaces, but ah i don't i don't think there would be enough, and this is kind of something we talked about last week too, I don't think there'd be enough people even aware of the book to make it something that is even like Kickstarter-able. You know what I mean? It's just like, that's something that I would spend money on, but i can definitely see the challenges to accomplishing it, I guess. don't know. What do you guys think? I'm,
00:22:19
Speaker
i don't know i mean uh like sebastian nothwell who uh wrote oh king holly king that you ah mentioned before ran a kickstarter very recently for his newest book um and i actually backed it because one of the rewards was ebooks of his whole backlist and i'm like i'll so i'll give you 25 for this like it you know it's an ebook copy of his newest book and And then like eight of his old books. like Aaron's read a couple of your books and really liked them. So, and I'm exactly the kind of nerd who would know what's going on in Oat King, Holly King. so maybe I should read it. Exactly.
00:23:00
Speaker
You know, so i and I don't think, you know, and it didn't make $100,000. I think it made a very modest amount and had 200 backers or whatever, you know, it's not like for some of these you need.
00:23:15
Speaker
if ah If what you're trying to do is modest, then you can still make money on something, on like a one-off of like one beautiful book if you throw in rewards of backlist to ebook backlist titles, stuff like that, you know? Okay, so then here's my question. Let's say that we theoretically did release a smut report book where Aaron finds it, Holly annotates it, and Ingrid draws illustrations so that we all know what positions they're in at various points in the book. You know what I I'll do really carefully detailed stick figures. Oh, no. Yes. The funny thing Ingrid actually has taken – have done that. She was an studio art background, too. Yeah, so Ingrid could also do beautiful illustrations. I could. But instead, she's not going to do the chapter openers, illuminated letters. No, she's going to draw – Really fancy stick figures. Really fancy stick figures. I'm going to admit.
00:24:11
Speaker
My, my, like my, the the worst part of all this is that my, like what I studied was really detailed charcoal drawings, giant detailed charcoal drawings. So I could totally do like a bust out poster of like some really elaborate scene, but I think everyone would really prefer the post-it notes. That's what I really believe in my heart. They would prefer that. So um anyway, what would we choose? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. What would we choose? So it can't, it it could be something we all really loved, or it could be something that we've talked about incessantly, or one that comes up all the time. Like, what would be the book that we would release? I think Strange Love. Oh, God. Yeah.
00:24:52
Speaker
I think that would be the best one for your post-it notes. Actually, don't you? did We have pictorial evidence. We have pictures that I did do that. That you have done for strange love. i did, yeah. think one, but yeah. I did. I did do that.
00:25:07
Speaker
Yep. I vetoed that option. Thank you. What would you choose? i gosh I don't know I'm trying to think of like I wish there was one that we all worshipped I think there are there are some luckiest lady in London or what were the ones that we all thought were bangers I mean bride the bride oh should just do the bride but but we could my bride write so many annotations about ah how Julie Garwood uses clothes in that book
00:25:38
Speaker
and so many annotations i she her she has some mad skills with her writing choices in there you could totally and it i could have they annotate the crap out of her craft in that one yeah and you could even draw a stick figure of jamie um punching the horse yes which was fantastic bam Or I could do all of the facial expressions. So like as he gets more and more enraged you that would be by her shenanigans, like we could do a pain scale, but instead of a pain scale, it would be a wife irritation scale with his face.
00:26:13
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We could do it for all readers so they could post it in their in their houses and their husbands to communicate their feelings would be like, where on the Jamie scale are you?
00:26:24
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moved the kitchens mad or started a feud with a neighboring clan dad which one oh my gosh love it oh man maybe it would be the bride i was all right coming soon to kickstarter speaking of how come nobody i maybe julie garwood just doesn't want to sell her rights or is like bound by whatever contract she has with the publisher but like how come none of these historical romance greats are coming up with a bride?
Julie Garwood's Books and Special Editions
00:26:51
Speaker
It has to be that she doesn't want to participate. It has to be that she doesn't want to participate.
00:26:56
Speaker
Because she, let's be real, julie Julie Garwood doesn't need, like, she's good. She's got so many wildly successful books that are still being purchased and checked out everywhere. I just don't think she cares. Maybe she's in her, you know how when you hit your 40s, all of a sudden you're just like, yeah, I DGAF. You just don't give a shit. I feel like as an author, maybe she's just gotten to the point where she's just like, yeah, I don't give a shit. I i write my books.
00:27:22
Speaker
You read my books. I'm good. You know? i don't know. But maybe we could be the people who do that. Maybe we could be like Julie Garwood. Listen up. We have three mega nerds who would love to make a one-time edition of this book. You know, actually, though, to nerd out, could couldn contractually speaking, if we turn the book into art, I think we could still offer one copy. We just couldn't mass produce them. Just saying.
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah. Right. But if we spend all this time together, then one of us is going to want it. I know that's the problem is we're just going to be like, no, it belongs to the smut report. Now we've outbid you all. Just kidding. Anyway, I feel like there's some faults in this plan. Listen, I'm I I'm the idea person. I'm not the plan person. That's you guys are the ones who are supposed to figure that out. I'm just the one who's like, you know, it would be fun. That's my job.
00:28:14
Speaker
That's my job. This is my position in life in general. It's the same in my marriage as well, where I'm just like, honey, you know, it would be fun. And then he sighs. if My husband also does that.
00:28:27
Speaker
Yeah. The other day I was like, listen, honey, if we don't get the microwave hung up, because it's been down on the countertop for literally months now, um it's a giant countertop and we only have four because our house is tiny. And I was like, if we don't get that thing hung up, I think I'm going stop cooking. And he just sighed and then looked in the living room where I stress pulled off all of the molding, the chair rail from the entire living room. And he's been spending all of his free time patching up a mistake that I impulse made and I was like okay maybe we can let it go a little longer because now he's got 17 house projects to finish and I was like you need to finish this one now and he was like really sorry dear anyway I mean the molding will keep mudding takes time you have to like let it dry for 24 hours seems seems legit All right.
Podcast Conclusion and Book Club Info
00:29:13
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Now that we're super off topic, ah for to summarize, we might make a book, but if we do, we'd probably keep it for ourselves because it'll be so beautiful and wonderful. So that doesn't sound like it's great for you or a business idea. But if anybody wanted to take our idea. and no don't take our idea. Tell us how much you want us to do our idea. that's i guess you could do that too.
00:29:38
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ah Because then then we'd be like, oh, they do want it. We would love some ah annotated nerdery books, please. Please, please, please, please, please. I guarantee you there are more nerds out there just like us. Yeah. All right. And on that note, next week, we are actually having book club. Our book club book is Ingrid's Choice, and she chose The Everlasting.
00:30:01
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. Get ready. By Alex E. Harrow. Get ready. You will not survive this thing. I already read it for once. I was the first person and I was like, read it in sections. You'll just die. so read it along with us.
00:30:15
Speaker
So yes. So I hope you put in your library holds like six months ago ah and you can read along with us. And ah after that, we will be back to tumble reading. So You can catch all of our show notes for all of our podcasts, but also this one, which may have special links, especially to drawings that Ingrid has made, at smartreport.com slash podcast.
00:30:40
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And our social scandal is at smartreport, but, you know, whatever. And until next time, keep it smutty, folks. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na smartreport!