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Tumblereads: Sometimes You Just Want to Talk About the Books You Just Read
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This week on Tumblereads, Ingrid just wanted to talk about the duology she just binged, so that's what we did.
Show notes at smutreport.com/podcast
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Transcript
Introduction and Tumble Reads Segment
00:00:22
Speaker
if you haven't been hanging around tumble reads is where we just talk about whatever we want to because we can and often we just go where the wind takes us so um that's kind of what we're going to do today i basically i do have things to talk about but i pretty much only want to talk about the books that i just read um so you know <unk> we'll figure it out but um you know sometimes you just want to talk about the book you're obsessed with currently yeah what books did you just read
'Heartless Hunter' and Its Narrative Tension
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Speaker
All right. So I just read and because I can't remember anything, I just read Heartless Hunter by Kristen Ciccarelli.
00:01:00
Speaker
It's Italian. okay Yeah. So um so this was a brave choice on my part, I think, because I have the ability to deal with uncomfortable tension at about the same level as maybe a two year old. Um, I just don't, it makes me very uncomfortable. And that's the kind of tension where like, do you know, like the office humor?
00:01:19
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that makes me, I'm, I get really, I have to like fold laundry while I watch shows like that. And also, um in books, for example, when you know someone's going to betray somebody or is making a terrible decision and you just have to, you can't do anything because you can't shake a character and tell them not to do something stupid. That makes me uncomfortable too. But I am a book reviewer. And so sometimes you just have to do things that make you uncomfortable.
00:01:44
Speaker
That's it. Okay.
Humor in Book Reviewing
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Speaker
Can I just pause? Like, you like I am a book reviewer and therefore I have to do uncomfortable things. It's not like I am a wildlife firefighter and I have to do it. Well, listen, let's not minimize what we do. Okay. You're right. You're right. Yes. Parallel. That's definitely the same.
00:02:03
Speaker
I am. No, not definitely the same. i i picked an extreme example, but it's true. I guess, you know, it I mean, I'm not a janitor who has to clean up other people's bodily functions.
00:02:16
Speaker
That's uncomfortable, right? That's true. But sometimes you have to read about other people's bodily functions in ways that you would prefer not to. Sure, sure.
Popularity of 'Enemies to Lovers' Trope
00:02:25
Speaker
Well, this one was true enemies to lovers. So I was thinking, well, hey, we could talk about enemies to lovers, but I feel like we beat that horse already. Yeah, i feel I feel like we've actually done more than one long form podcast about enemies to lovers. We have. And and then we forgot. and then we did it again. Well, no, Holly, you and I forgot. Ingrid was like, I'm pretty sure we've done this before. we're like, no, no, it's fine. We'll have this discussion. Right. And then we did. then And then I was listening to podcasts. I was like, oh, Ingrid was right.
00:02:55
Speaker
Ingrid was 100% right. right i think and it happens so rarely yeah and then i was doing the show notes and i went and i found the old one and i was like oh shit we even recommended all the same books classic classic us that's what happens when you've been running a but blog about romance books Yeah, for as long as we have. Eight years.
Deep Dive into 'Heartless Hunter'
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Speaker
That's crazy. That's crazy. when you But you know what's funny that... Well, enemies lovers is a popular trope, so, um you know, we're just current. but you know, this is what I wanted. This is what I wanted. This is what really... i will say this.
00:03:34
Speaker
There were a good couple times where I was like, I have to... I can't do this. I have to put this book down This is making me so uncomfortable. It feels like my skin is too skinning right now. Like, i i am my skin is doing all the wrong things. I'm so uncomfortable. Yeah.
00:03:47
Speaker
And I couldn't because of this. Ready? So like in the all the conversations we've had about enemies to lovers, what have we said? Like they have to be enemies. better when they're trying to kill each other. They have to be really enemies. They really have to be like real enemies. That's when it's satisfying, right? Well, someone handed it to me in this book on a silver freaking platter. And I was like, they're two enemies for me.
00:04:09
Speaker
so Okay, but did she pull off the transition? That's the thing, though. Because if they're, like, two enemies, then, like, how do they move to become lovers, right? Like, it's, yeah I think, pulling off the true, true, true enemies...
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Speaker
not just like we're on different sides of the war or feuding families romeo and juliet style or you're my office nemesis like i think that makes the shift so much harder listen yeah it was this is i this is why i was glad that i finished it so it's a duology right there's two books in this little set and hold on actually did you read both books last night because it sounded like you were reading the first book like when you texted us at like bedtime that was i was i was favorite yeah i was maybe i was maybe fifth no i was feel like 50 of the way through the first book i read the entire second it's a problem but i was really glad that i did it because then something else happened that knocked my socks off and it's this remember how what have we said about what have we said about um grand gestures they're they're stupid That they're amazing. That they almost never work, right? And we say why they almost never work. This is the first book ever where I was like, they have to do a grand gesture. It's never going to work.
00:05:26
Speaker
Like... I felt like I was eating. i feel like this author just listened to all of our material and all of our like hard stances and was like, oh yeah, oh yeah. And then was like, take this and that and that. And it was so good, guys.
Complex Plot and Character Dynamics
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Speaker
I really loved it. So the basic premise, not to talk about it forever because i want to hear what you guys are reading.
00:05:45
Speaker
So you'll understand exactly what I mean in a second. So it's obviously romanticy. She's a witch. It takes place during a time where the witches had been in power. There were these two witches. or three witch queen sisters who had been in power.
00:06:00
Speaker
And um all, you know, in the beginning is that she's a witch. And if you get, if you they catch you being a witch, if they see, because I guess in this place, like if you bleed, if you cut it's blood, which stuff. So like if you cut to but to do your spells, the scar heals silver. So if you have silver scars and they catch you, then you, they kill you.
00:06:19
Speaker
And it's like really public and gruesome and terrible. Right. So really like scary. So this woman is like going around. She's the crimson moth and she's going to rescue these witches that get caught and set them free so that they can't be killed and executed and stuff like that.
00:06:32
Speaker
Well, that's the that's the heroine, right? The hero is the commander of the army who goes to chase the witches. Yeah, course. So, like, he wants to kill her. And you would think that it would be one of those... I was like, great. Okay, cool. It's gonna be one of those stories where he immediately realizes that, like, this is bad news bears and he's been misled and he's been lied to and that all of his viewpoints are invalid. And he'll go shape up and that's the that's the thing, right? Them battling against these witch hunters. Except that it turns out that the witches that were in power were, like, evil witches.
00:07:03
Speaker
And that he was held captive by the evil witch queen and tortured by the evil witch queen and she killed all of his family. And that the only experiences he's ever had with these witches is that they're power hungry and evil and will like kill you and manipulate you and you're powerless if they're in power. I mean, ah like they do blood magic. So yeah, thematically that would track normally. But it gets better because the Crimson Moth, the heroine's best friend, is his little brother.
00:07:32
Speaker
who's been in love with her since she was like a kid. oh So it is so, rama do you see why I was crawling out of my skin? I was like, why is my skin so tight? Like it was so uncomfortable. And ah anyway, it was magnificent and just, it was so good.
00:07:48
Speaker
It was so good. It was like painfully good. And by the end, you're just like, you're kind of like, oh my God, thank God that's over. But also everything locks in in such a sad, like at just the right satisfying points. Like the pacing on this was fantastic. The tension on this was fantastic. It was meaty. It was juicy. It was it was so good.
00:08:05
Speaker
It was so good. no Yeah. So I really loved it it was a it. was the best kind of hot mess. Anyway, so it yeah, like i said, it's you should check it out. i don't know I don't know but I do think like I'm feeling uncomfortable listening to it like yes this is a book that I would also avoid because it would be like it's going to make me uncomfortable and I just can't deal with that right now yeah well I like reading The Everlasting or some of the other books that like I have to read because you guys make me read them
00:08:38
Speaker
you're welcome i'm like yes thank you or books that i'm like okay no no i'm gonna buckle down and do it um it's like i'm afraid that they're gonna be uncomfortable but they tend to be more cathartically rewarding yeah than my like low-key low-stress comforty only books and So that's a really a difficult balance.
00:09:02
Speaker
And I know it's true. Can handle it? No, it gets so bad that like the at at the worst, at the beginning when I'm reading it, and I'm like, oh my gosh, they're like actual enemies. And he he doesn't know that she's the Crimson Moth, but he suspects that she could be. So he's like, I'm going seduce her like to try to get the secrets out of it. And she's like, I'm going to seduce him
Romantic Tension and Grand Gestures
00:09:23
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to figure out how to save these prisoners better.
00:09:26
Speaker
So they're actively trying to seduce each other for nefarious purposes. And you're like, this is as bad as this is going to get. And then and then she goes and sides with like the most evil character of all time to save her life and like the lives of all these witches. And you're like, oh, no, this is bad because this like evil character like destroyed like the hero. Like it could not get worse. She could not do the it's he does the worst thing that he could possibly do. It's like this. You think that they're going just figure it out, you know? Like like all these other books, millions of books that I've read. No, the author takes it and she's like, how can I make this worse?
00:09:57
Speaker
And then she does it. And you're like, there's no coming back from this. And that's where the grand gesture comes in, because you get to a point where you're like, there is a zero percent chance they're ever going to be able to trust each other again. And then you're like, well, you know what? This is where they're going to have to do something drastic if they want to prove that they mean what they say now. It's amazing. Anyway, but yeah I have now gone on about this forever. So hearing you talk about it, though, it just makes me think of Kingdom of Dreams. by yeah Right. ah Right.
00:10:24
Speaker
Where there you know, it's a forced marriage situation. Their families are at war. it's You think they're going to figure it out? Maybe. And then he kills her brother, but not her evil brother, her nice brother, who she really loves. And it's like a misunderstanding, but it doesn't matter because her brother is dead. with That's the one you can't walk that back. Yeah. You can't walk that back. um Yeah.
00:10:52
Speaker
I think here's the thing. mete I think this is why i love old bodice rippers. Yeah. Is because they lean into the tension Yeah they do Okay I agree with that Right they and it's And they're so stressful And then they're so romantic And there's like a lot of Questionable content but It sounds like there's a lot of questionable content in the book that Ingrid just read. So like, maybe we need to let that go. but this is the thing. It's so questionable, but it's, it's, you can't deny it's understandable. Like, it's not like you have characters who are doing things and you're like, how could you? You're terrible. You're like, I kind of get it, man. Both of you guys have pretty valid
Critique of the Romanticy Genre
00:11:35
Speaker
perspectives here. i just don't know how you're to make it work. You know? Right. Yeah.
00:11:39
Speaker
But and no, just thinking about, and I'm like, but why does a lot of like a lot of romanticy doesn't really work for me. Yeah. In the same way, even though it's playing with, it's out like, from what you've told us, Angrid, because you've given us the blow by blows of many excellent romanticy books that you've read. Like most of them, I'm like, that doesn't sound appealing to me. And I'm kind of trying to interrogate why that is because,
00:12:06
Speaker
i like I came up as a fantasy reader, right? Before I read romance, I read fantasy. like I was reading Mercedes Lackey and stuff in middle school, but you know in early high school before um the eight grocery bags of romance novels started yeah um appearing. ah But yeah you know So so i'm like I'm trying to think about like what what is it about... Romanticity, yeah. romanticcy and the way the tension is built there that i find very irritating a lot of the times versus in these old bodice rippers but it could also be um
00:12:49
Speaker
just a matter of curation right because there's yeah there are a lot of old bodice rippers and a lot of them are real bad That's true. and That is true. And because they're old, the ones that weren't bad that have staying powers, like, are still in print, right? Right. Or are easier to find because they had multiple print runs. um as opposed And like right now, there's just like so much romanticcy coming out.
00:13:16
Speaker
Well, that just like the old clinch covers, they all look the same and and not enough time has passed to for the the wheat and the chaff to have separated. i think you're done on there, Holly. But I also and I also think that one thing that I've noticed about you as a reader is that you have a like your low tolerance levels are harder to pin down. But what I've noticed, you can tell me if you think I'm wrong. I feel like you have a lower tolerance for, um,
00:13:43
Speaker
And sloppily executed, like, tropes. So but when I say that, what I mean is that if someone's going to use a trope, you want them to bring something fresh to it. And if they don't, you're like, this is tiring for me and I don't like it. ah I mean, i would say i have a lower tolerance for, like, sloppy tropes. execution period yeah and what i'm noticing in romanticy right now is that i feel and like i've i've obviously talked about this in the past um there the creativity has really declined because the way that readers consume these books has changed and that means that a lot of authors who depend on this for income are turning to the same hit yeah hit the say all the same points so that they can make sure that people keep reading the whole book and they get the the money that they need to get um if they're on ku you mean correct so for example there's yeah there's an author that i read recently and i read one of her backlist um series i just reviewed it actually and uh i was shocked her voice was completely different from one of her hits that she recently released and and i
00:14:50
Speaker
so so far preferred her older series because it had it was so it was had a strong, unique voice to it. And it actually, it had a it had a pace that that shifted as the book went on. It wasn't just like, go, go, go, chapter, chapter, chapter. And so I think that, like, it's yeah I don't think you're crazy. and And I don't think it's just that the wheat hasn't separated from the chaff. I think that we are at an an interesting time.
00:15:15
Speaker
In publishing with these books and that it'll it'll take some time to see like um which stick and which don't but not not necessarily because it's like good, good or bad, but because they all sound
Impact of Reader Expectations on Books
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Speaker
the same.
00:15:25
Speaker
Yeah. So, but anyway, again, I did not mean to talk about this for like an ice age. I do want to hear what you guys are reading, but I just was, it was so interesting to see an author do all of the things that I usually am like, I don't like that.
00:15:37
Speaker
Or they did, this is terrible. And then she did all of it and was like, hold my beer. And I was like, this is amazing. Like it was so, she hit all of the things that I'm like, this is almost impossible to do. And she was like, well, watch me.
00:15:49
Speaker
So yeah it was so good. I really liked it. So you know when I recommended Divine Rivals to you, Holly, and I was like, you gotta read Divine Rivals, and you were like, eh, it's okay. I felt more strongly about these two books than I did about Divine Rivals. I think this was really good.
00:16:03
Speaker
I have to tell you that I DNF'd Divine Rivals. I know there's no accounting for taste. There's no accounting for taste. I just i I read half of the first book. That's farther than I got.
00:16:15
Speaker
And I just I just I thought you guys were gonna freaking love those books. It's got history nerd stuff. There's all this like depressing war propaganda. It's right up your alley. They're like 16 year old history nerds and I just cannot deal with their 16 year old ness. I think that was my issue too I was just like I can't do this I can't do this mental space right now okay well they're all because I was I did like the duology the typewriter like the magical typewriter that yeah it but no was like but i to be fair I tried it before Ingrid read it because it had been recommended to me by romantic author and so I was like trying to get through the list that she gave me mm-hmm I mean, I'm concerned that you guys will think that some of the things that they do is are so a little stupid, but I mean, I it's good.
00:17:02
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i I'm okay with characters doing stupid things. It's just like where, yeah, where they,
Young Adult vs. Adult Fantasy Preferences
00:17:10
Speaker
the way they were processing what was going on and especially the heroine when she's like starting to Like she makes she goes to the front and she makes the friend and she's starting to like kind of giggle about these letters and I'm like, like, how are you having feelings for this person that you there's like, there wasn't enough there.
00:17:32
Speaker
And I was just like, this juvenile. Yeah, I think that the willing suspension of disbelief in those books really is that they, you have to kind of believe that they'll get there. You know I mean? And so I can see that. This one, I would actually argue with you about the characters, the character development in these books, because ones that are new, Ingrid? The new ones, yeah, the Ciccarelli, the Crimson Moth ones that I just read, because I think the character development is phenomenal. And I will fight to the death that I think that the choices that they make makes sense all the things that they do make sense for who they are and what they've been through so yeah rebels was more ya and holly tends not right and holly tends not to like why i don't usually like ya but i just thought it was i just thought was really fresh but i i totally get why you guys the dnf did the moth books are not ya no or they are yeah so maybe that's enough of a difference too Yeah, maybe, maybe. Also,
Unique Magic Systems in 'Heartless Hunter'
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one more thing about divine rivals. Um, it, the hero to me was really channeling Adam driver and like the worst Adam driver fanfic. Oh no. If I had that image in my head, Holly, I may have DNF'd it. I'm so glad I didn't because I, now that I see it, I'm like, Oh God. Yeah. I could see it. That's terrible. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:54
Speaker
yeah no I don't think that I will also say one last thing that I thought was pretty fresh about this is one of the few romanticy books that I've read in a long time where the heroine isn't like all of a sudden I trained with one of his guards and now I can take out giant like trained ninja assassins do you know what i mean like yeah she's she's a she puts on a front as a silly debut debutante kind of a thing and she can't shoot a gun to save her life and like I think that was magnificent so anyhow Wait, how does she rescue people from prison if she has no ninja assassin skills? Okay. That's what I want to know Holly, I'm really glad you asked that question. oh Probably blood magic is the answer. but remember, guys, she can't use, she can't cut her herself. So how does she get the blood? Also, the way that you turn evil is by using blood from someone else without their permission. So what does that leave, my friends? What kind of blood do you think she uses to do the magic?
00:19:46
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Period blood. Oh my God. I love it. That's so clever. She saves all she saves all of her period blood little vials and uses period blood. and Now, how do you love this now? Do you love this now? Gross. Gross.
00:19:59
Speaker
I mean, it is, but clever. Also, period has a different viscosity than... Oh my gosh, Holly. Well, that's true, but also... It does. It does. This ballsy-ass bitch is going around saving people by taking her period blood from a little vial and making little symbols on people.
00:20:17
Speaker
her stanky ass period blood i loved it so much i was like get it girl no shame she's like you want to get out of that cell you're gonna have to wipe this you're not be color on your face with my period blood and my finger does she tell them it's period blood no they're like okay i'm gonna be suspended by my ankles and gutted tomorrow morning you can wipe that period blood anywhere you want is what how it goes essentially anyway so do you see what i'm talking about where i'm like say what now like the whole time the author's just like i'm gonna just do this and you're like what it's amazing yeah period blood friends can men be witches in this world no just women yeah oh that's a something maybe we should discuss at some point it's like single gender magic systems
00:21:04
Speaker
Or any systems. I was just, I was reading Samora Megaverse and I was like, i just, okay. You know, it's like, cause I'm like, wait a minute. Especially when there are women in the world. and Like, okay.
00:21:17
Speaker
Also what? Guess what the hero's profession was before he became the commander in the army. Was he a blacksmith? Because I would like that a lot. No. They're always blacksmiths. You're never going to guess. Was he as surgeon? No.
00:21:31
Speaker
Was he a librarian? No, but closer. Was he a professor with great glasses? Nope. signs up his nose This is from an author who uses period blood to cast witch magic.
Unexpected Character Backgrounds
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Was he a sanitation worker? No.
00:21:45
Speaker
Shall I you? guess it's not closer to a librarian. tell us. He was a seamstress. He made dresses for the queen. and then she was like, i don't like this dress off with your family's head. that what happened? I can't tell you all the spoilers because you should just read it.
00:22:02
Speaker
Oh. But that's backstory. How is that spoiler? it was more like. It depends on when it gets revealed in the duology, I suppose. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's more like that that dressmaker is a tasty, tasty snack. How about you be my personal dressmaker type of a thing?
00:22:20
Speaker
Yuck. Yeah. All right. It was good, guys. Listen, and now I've taken up the whole Tumblr is telling you about this book. But listen, every once in a while, you'll find a book and you're just like, i don't know where the author got the balls to just be like, I'm going to do what I want and then make it all work. Like, fantastic. I think it was fantastic. Now, I haven't done the thing I frequently do, which is I like to read the book first and then I like to do my research to see what other people think about it, like what other reviewers think about it. I am petrified to look up what the reviews say about these books.
00:22:51
Speaker
Because
Personal Perceptions vs. Reviews
00:22:52
Speaker
I'm sitting here like, that was a brave choice. she pulled it off like the whole time. and And I'm like, oh God, I hope I don't. Because I am so i am such a a, I'm really confident about my opinion up until the moment. I actually look at other reviews and I'm like, did we read the same book? Like, i thought this was great. Anyway. I always like it when people are just like mortally affronted by author choices. Like, i will never forget. This is kind of very, maybe the most divisive take that you could come up with is instead of just like, ew, period blood being like, eo gross versus like, wow, that was clever or something. I don't know how to feel about it, but i don't hate it. Right. But like, I was reading a review for Tse's book. What?
00:23:37
Speaker
Oh, but Holly, you read it too. What was that? What was it? Oh, Bitter Medicine. Yes. Bitter Medicine. Thank you. Mm somebody there's a moment. So souls are tied to objects. There's a name for it in fantasy or, you know, fiction. can't whatever it is a thing. Sound more enthused about that, Erin. Well, no, I mean, like, I understand that there is a a word for your, like, aside from, yeah, a word for your, like, a soul being contained in an object. I just can't remember what the word is right now. And so sorry, people who do know. And ah of course, like, for different people of different faiths, those are different objects, right? And so that's one of the cool things about this book is that the author did not have everybody in North America being, like, African big cat shifters but being white or you know like they didn't all have European magic systems Western European magic systems you know it was like people from their own cultural backgrounds were of their own cultural mythologies oh that's interesting yes and so naturally people from their own faith systems also had their you know, powerful objects being part of their own faith system. So the main characters or the main character's siblings or whatever was Jade. um but
00:25:03
Speaker
But in this story, they, in order to accomplish a goal, a big moment, they broke a rosary. And this person was like, that is so offensive. How dare you? Don't you know how important and sacred rosaries are? And was like, I really feel like you're missing the point here.
00:25:21
Speaker
Yeah. Why do you think they chose to do that? Did they do it and they were like, oh, whatever. Or were they like, yeah they you know, it wasn't like author was like, well, this couldn't possibly be a problem. It was like, no, this is meaningful. I think this other reader just did not understand how important and meaningful these other objects were to like non-Catholic people.
00:25:40
Speaker
i was like, ah You know, so stuff like that, where you'll get into reviews, you'll be like, come on. And then I don't mind those as much. So I think, I don't know, Ingrid, if you can go into reading the reviews and just be like, you just didn't, you didn't get it. You didn't get it. And I'm just going to let that one go. But it's much harder when you're like, oh no, you're opening my eyes to things that I didn't see before. Right. You know, i know. And that's the worst. and Right. i Like, Little Party Wishes I'd Done That.
00:26:06
Speaker
The first bit of Divine Rivals and then read my review that I haven't written that was just like, ah it's like Adam Driver fanfic. And then it was doing it for you. i would have. i I'm telling you right now, if I had thought that in the beginning, have been like, nope, I can't do this ever again. I'm sorry. And he because he was a moody little, he was a moody little writer, man. He was, I mean, they really went that. This does remind me the review thing, though, that Erin sent me this fantastic thing. And since we have like one minute left, I'm going to share it because this is what reviews are like, right? What she's talking about. um is the Florida shrimp pie
00:26:39
Speaker
Oh, you so sometimes people just don't, they are, they, they don't get it. They don't want to get it and they're going to refuse to get it. So this is a, this is like the first comment on this, ah on this ah Florida shrimp pie recipe from Southern living. Here it is. Are you ready? It's from someone named Marianne and it has one star and it says more than 6 million Americans are allergic to shrimp. And some of us just don't like it, but you don't seem to care.
00:27:07
Speaker
like someone took time out of their day to do that ah to review and and then all of the um all all the reviews after that are hilarious like i'm allergic to shrimp but that's why they make benadryl can't wait to give this a try those that are like i'm like i'm one of the 36 million people who aren't allergic to shrimp it's like ah yeah it's like yeah Yeah. What is that? It's like a meme now, right? Or whatever the kids are calling it these days. It's the bean soup. And it's like, but I don't like beans. Where's my recipe? Everybody's like, the don't use this recipe. So like that's the thing. Yeah. i i do I do try to filter out those comments for books when people are like, well, I don't i hate enemies to lovers. or like, they're like so mean to each other in the beginning. Yeah, that's the point. like I don't know what to tell you.
00:28:00
Speaker
But um yeah, if you like a good mess and you can hang, it's super uncomfortable, but it's worth it. I thought the book was fantastic. And you know, honestly, sometimes I just really like to read a book where someone does something different.
00:28:11
Speaker
they just They just try it and they just go for it. And like, honest to God, never in my life have I ever read a book and and watched a girl in a tricky, like read a book and see you know there's she's in a tricky situation and she's like, oh, thank God I'm getting my period. Yeah.
00:28:28
Speaker
And I was like, yeah, girl, get
Final Thoughts and Future Topics
00:28:30
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that period. Like it was the best. And I loved it. So anyway, i got a huge kick out of it. Hopefully I'm not, you know, in the huge minority, but I'm to say a loud and proud. I thought the book was great. I thought she did some really cool stuff with it. And I think it's, it's like, it encourage I hope it encourages. I would love to see more books like this where they are just, they just do what they want. Just do what you want. You know, don't worry about the, the algorithms. And I know it's hard, but like, just write good stuff. This was so much fun to read. I, Obviously, since I've now talked for 31 minutes about it. What have you guys been reading? Just kidding. It's over now. um
00:29:05
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So anyway, you can, I guess we're done. Yeah. Sorry, guys. You'll have to share what you read on your own turn. Yeah. Maybe I will. Maybe you'll read this. Well, I can do a little tease. Holly hol was like, I'm not reading a romance book right now before we started. But I will give a little tease that I got a copy of Husband Material by Alexis Hall early. ha yeah yeah you got it it wasn't it supposed to come out in june it comes out june that's a good time yeah so sometimes when you pre-order a book the bookstore will ship it early lucky you sometimes sometimes they don't ship until pub date but sometimes they ship it early at this time i got it really early it sounds very excited lucky you okay so but the good news is that i feel a little bit less bad because that sounds like it's a pod that's an episode all on its own right Yeah, I think actually I do want to talk about at some point, maybe it'll be next time or maybe I'll forget and then remember it again when I'm not recording again. But I do want to talk about is it a romance when it's like a sequel of an established couple, right? So something to noodle until we meet again.
00:30:13
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All right. Well, hopefully that's soon because I'm very curious about it. But in the meantime... Show notes are in in the show notes location under the... They're at smutreport.com slash podcast. And I will be sure to put links and to the books that eron ah Ingrid is talking about or Ingrid talked about.
00:30:34
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Yes. For the 30 minutes. And the shrimp pie recipe. And also the shrimp pie recipe. ah Because i too, hate everyone with a shrimp allergy. Apologies to my younger brother. That's the the most big sister thing I think you've ever said. All right. Well, in the meantime.
00:30:54
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Keep it smutty, folks. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-smut report!